"Lugerman". Story about Evgeny Golubtsov

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Many are looking for a favorable face of the ruler, but the fate of a person is from the Lord.
Proverbs 29: 26

History firearms weapons. Now it's time for us to return to the history of the Luger pistol. However, this is the story of not only the pistol itself, but also the people with whom he was associated, or rather, they were associated. We have already talked about people in the past here. However, there are people who are directly related to him today. For example - this is Evgeny Golubtsov, better known as "Lugerman", a man who is considered today one of the best gunsmiths in the world. He is primarily engaged in restoring firearms. Very few people can do this job properly and he is one of the best. All of this has already said a lot, but not everything. The fact is that a story about him is also a story about Fate, which, as they say, if necessary, will find a person on the stove, but if he is hardworking and persistent in his intentions, then she will definitely help him. And so it happened with Eugene ...


Here he is - "Lugerman" Evgeny Golubtsov

He was born ... in Siberia in 1975, and, despite the laws of the Soviet Union, which did not greatly encourage the interests of his citizens in firearms, he was interested in him from early childhood. At the age of 12, he read his first book about him, an encyclopedia, in which each pistol was given its name and caliber. And at the age of 14, he already made his own pistol from copper pipes and plywood and with a wick lock. Like any Soviet boy, he used match heads instead of gunpowder, and for bullets he used lead fishing weights, which he melted over a fire in a tin can.



"Lugerman". Story about Evgeny Golubtsov
However, with the "luger" ("parabellum") in hand, we have seen many famous film actors. For example, the Polish superintelligence Hans Kloss - the charismatic Stanislav Mikulsky. You can see this pistol in the Soviet cult series "17 Moments of Spring", and more than once ...

Wanting to entertain his 10- and 12-year-old guests one day, he bolted a pistol to a chair and fired it right in the house using a rope fuse, which gave them time to leave this room.


And these are Bruce Cabot and Gene Tierney, popular in their time in the USA, in the classic Hollywood movie "Sunset" of 1941 ...

The bullet pierced two layers of plywood, window shades, two plywood balcony doors and hit the metal balcony wall. Realizing that creativity should be encouraged and the boy allowed to be a boy if he wanted to grow up to be a real man, his parents did not punish him.


Almost everyone has "Parabellum" in "Sunset" ... However, in our Soviet cinema, he also lit up. For example, in the movie "Brave People" (1950) it is from the parabellum that the main negative character shoots the main character, and the same thing is repeated in the movie "Roman and Francesca" (1960) ...

Every summer, at the age of 12 to 16, he fired from 200 to 300 rounds a day from a pneumatic pistol at moving targets in a local shooting range and learned to shoot very accurately.


Robert Vaughn with "Parabellum" from the movie "The Man from the UN" (1964) ...

As a child, he also regularly attended art school, where he studied oil painting and sculpture. And this also came in handy later - firm hands and a faithful eye are needed not only for a sculptor, but also for a person who works with metal.


At competitions, they also shot from him, and not only men. In a firing position, Marta Galozkowka shoots a P08 pistol at the Polish National Shooting Competition in Krakow, 1938

In high school, he learned to work on a milling machine, where he also underwent military training, like all Soviet boys, fired a small-bore rifle, and also assembled and disassembled AKM and PM. He graduated from high school at the age of 16 (the last two years the school was reorganized into a gymnasium with an emphasis on exact sciences), and began to attend additional classes in mathematics, physics and chemistry. After school he entered the university, at that time Kurgan Machine-Building and began to study at the faculty of tracked vehicles, that is, he practically studied to be a tank engineer. Evgeny studied there, and then ... moved to the USA, where at the age of 19 he began his 23-year career as a programmer.

At the age of 21, Eugene, as he was now called in the United States, began collecting pistols, and in three years there were more than 300 of them. These were pistols from the First and Second World Wars, as well as modern pistols of various designs and models. Eugene bought them cheap, and the local gunsmith John Robinson helped him fix and polish them. At 23, he restored his first revolver, the German Reichrevolver, for his father.


Here it is - this very revolver!

But his next attempt at restoration was the Luger. It was nickel plated, and Eugene removed that coating, hand polished it, and then restored it to its original condition. And two years after the start of collecting, he bought an American Eagle 1900. Shooting from the "Luger", he discovered that this particular pistol was just in his hand and he hit the target better than any other pistol. Therefore, he decided to focus on the models of this particular pistol, in particular on the variations of the 1906 contract.


The original 9mm Luger produced in 1920, restored by Evgeny Golubtsov

He sold most of his other pistols and assembled over 50 Lugers of various types, including two M1902 Lugers.

Collecting, exchanging and selling "lugers", he began to restore them for himself. But as rumors spread among collectors about him as a wonderful master restorer, customers began to turn to him in increasing numbers. Soon enough, he took up their restoration along with the work of a programmer. Soon, however, restoration work began to take 15 to 20 hours a week, and Eugene hired a good mechanic as his assistant. He convinced him to buy a milling machine so they could start making the parts they needed, and over the next 15 years they learned how to make most of the parts for the 9mm Luger pistols, apart from the frame.


"Luger" 1907 chambered for 11,43-mm. Lugerman products


Its packaging

And then he came up with an interesting idea: to rebuild a 1907 Luger in .45 ACP that the US Army was testing to put into service. As a result, the Colt M1911 pistol got into service, but the army still had a set of drawings with all the dimensions made for the .45 Luger.


Collection of materials with test data in 1907

He worked with his father, and in the end, their joint work was crowned with complete success. The .45 Luger was ready! And today Lugerman produces 50 .45 lugers a year. Well, as for the clients for the restoration and repair of weapons, there are now about 3000 of them. Every year the company restores about 100 units of firearms and repairs about 150 more. But the 45-caliber Parabellums for the last three years the company has been producing 50 units per year. ... Lugerman also produces a shortened version of Georg Luger's personal pistol in .45 Baby Luger.

Now the company has been in the new premises for a year, and plans to start producing 200 units of "Lugers" per year. And this company is also a real family business, where Eugene himself, his father and younger brother work. And now the son of Eugene also works there, that is, he follows in the footsteps of his father, and for this one can only rejoice!


"Baby Luger" (magazine for 6 rounds, 7th in the barrel)


"Baby Luger" by DWM, 1920 and cartridges for it

It took two years and six months to create this pistol, but the time spent on it was worth it. True, due to the small scale of production, the price of this weapon is higher than the usual price, say, for the Colt or Smith and Wesson. So, the improved model costs $ 4995, and the classic one costs $ 7995. The Baby Luger is more expensive at $ 8275, and the Luger with a 7-inch barrel is $ 7775. However, it is not for nothing that we have a saying in Russia - "Expensive, but cute, cheap, but rotten!" This is also the case here: when your life and the life of your family are at stake, then even this high price no longer seems so high.


But this is also a "Luger" model of 1907, but only chambered for 10-mm cartridges. The magazine is also for 7 rounds, but the 8th can be loaded into the barrel. Price $ 9295.00


There is also an M1907 Luger carbine with a 16-inch 10mm barrel priced at $ 13895.00. Military or retired military personnel and police officers receive a 5 percent discount


Luger holster. Auckland Museum, New Zealand

Before delivery, each pistol is tested with cartridges from 10 different manufacturers, about 200 rounds are fired from it to ensure flawless functioning.


Wartime Erzats holster. Braunschweig State Museum

The 45-caliber sample differs from the standard "Luger" only by its slightly larger dimensions. Its grip is also thicker than that of the 9mm caliber model, and there are not eight, but seven rounds in the magazine.


And in the end - a color scheme of the "parabellum" device from the book by Chris Shant "Infantry Weapons" (M .: "Omega", 2004), perhaps the best of all that I have ever met!

Well, in conclusion, we can say that yes - many gifted people of various nationalities in America were able to accomplish what they could not at home. Patience, work, perseverance and ... success in achieving this goal was their reward in the end. That is, Fate itself helped the daring ones!


But such a "parabellum" can be purchased in Russia ... pneumatic. Photo by Vladislav Zhalobin


But it looks like a real one, you can't say anything ... Photo by Vladislav Zhalobin

PS The author of the article and the administration of the site express their gratitude to Evgeny Golubtsov for the information and photos provided to him, and traditionally wish you success in your work and personal life!

PSS Vladislav Zhalobin - personal thanks for the active assistance to VO.
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  1. +5
    14 November 2021 06: 52
    Thank you Vyacheslav for the excellent article. hi
    How much does a pneumatic Luger cost in Russia?
    Something in our city on sale, he did not come across to me.
    1. +4
      14 November 2021 07: 06
      I haven't seen anything like it either. We have a lot of Chinese plastic. Saw: PM, K-96, the size of the palm, in short, wild squalor
    2. +3
      14 November 2021 07: 10
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      How much does a pneumatic Luger cost in Russia?

      Watch on the web. The photos are not mine and for how many people bought it, I do not know.
      1. +3
        14 November 2021 23: 09
        Vyacheslav, good evening and thank you! good

        Due to a schedule glitch, I slept through everything, but there was something to read. smile

        Have a question on the topic, will there be a separate article about small-caliber models of "Parabellum"? And then the people have already moved to pneumatics. laughing

        There is an American Stoeger Luger .22LR, I had no opportunity to try it, but the model is funny.



        But much more interesting is the native German sports pistol under the 22LR. I have several photos, I don't remember how they got into my archive, and not a single line of performance characteristics or just descriptions. Alas. Maybe you have information.


        1. +1
          15 November 2021 06: 46
          And all the best to you. Yes, it is planned ...
          1. +1
            15 November 2021 07: 41
            It would be great! good
            1. +2
              15 November 2021 07: 44
              Quote: Sea Cat
              It would be great!

              But you have to wait. Already 7 articles on moderation.
              1. +1
                15 November 2021 08: 14
                Let's wait, the main thing is that the cycle is over. smile
    3. +12
      14 November 2021 07: 31
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      Thank you Vyacheslav for the excellent article. hi
      How much does a pneumatic Luger cost in Russia?
      Something in our city on sale, he did not come across to me.

      Good morning for honest company. The cost of pneumatic Luther R-08 from UMAREX P08 is from 7 to 15 thousand wooden. Those that are more expensive imitate the work of the original reload (via BLOWBACK) and are very close to incomplete disassembly of the pistol.
      By the way, in most stores in the tags it is included as "Parabellum" and not "Luger", perhaps because of this there are problems with finding and buying it.
      The article is instructive - you should never be afraid of your dreams!
      Good day to all !!!
      1. +8
        14 November 2021 07: 35
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        you should never be afraid of your dreams!

        Well said! Thanks!
        P.S. I completely agree!
        1. 0
          9 January 2022 19: 17
          We will envy our comrade!
          And I wasted my life. At first it seemed that I would learn something here, then I would calmly move. In general ... I stepped on the snow, a compression fracture of the spine and a microstroke. So advice to all young people - move!
      2. +2
        14 November 2021 11: 55
        Soldier of Fortune has a Gletcher Parabellum for 11250r and there is another model for 8990r, go to the online store and buy.
        1. +4
          14 November 2021 13: 19
          Quote: sibiryouk
          Soldier of Fortune has a Gletcher Parabellum for 11250r and there is another model for 8990r, go to the online store and buy.

          I don’t know how correct it is to advertise online stores. I would be so careful.
          And so yes, the glacier line is within the previously specified range of 7-15 thousand rubles. the cheapest glacier is more expensive than Ulmarex, as well as the most expensive - the cheapest second. But due to incomplete disassembly, ulmarex is closer to the luger.
          I am writing this as the owner of the glacier.
          1. +2
            14 November 2021 20: 34
            I am writing this as the owner of the glacier.

            Vlad, thanks for the photo! good The last pneumatics that I held in my hands was a pneumatic PM, which I bought as a gift to my brother Lelik five years ago. drinks
          2. +2
            14 November 2021 23: 36
            Hello, hello! smile

            I also have a Glacier "Eight", generally satisfied, but in details and they are not accurate, work with the fuse and purely visually you will understand what the jamb is.
            1/. On the fuse.


            2 /. The fuse is removed.


            There is also a Taiwan airsoft copy of the Artillery Model - this one is made much more accurate.
            1. +1
              15 November 2021 05: 17
              Quote: Sea Cat
              I also have a Glacier "Eight", generally satisfied, but in details and they are not accurate, work with the fuse and purely visually you will understand what the jamb is.

              Uncle Kostya, I know that. Therefore, I write that Luger is from Ulmarex, closer to the original.
              Glacier hasn't been bothering much with layouts lately. So I didn't buy PM Gontcher in principle, so disfigure Makarov. There are no words, only emotions.
              1. +2
                15 November 2021 05: 30
                Good morning, Vladislav and good afternoon! smile

                "Gintelman's soup set" laughing drinks

      3. Fat
        +6
        14 November 2021 12: 07
        hi Vladislav. I agree in everything. Once, at an exhibition dedicated to hunting and fishing, I entered a pneumatic shooting range, interested in the pavilion ... From the offered assortment of replicas, my eyes first fled, then came together in a bunch Yes There was a lot, from revolvers to AKs and machine guns.
        As a result, I spent a total of half a day, shooting at targets from the specimens I liked, and I used Parabellum there. laughing
        A significant part of the replicas could be bought there, but it was expensive, refrained, the "toad" strangled spending money on such a souvenir ...
        1. +4
          14 November 2021 13: 25
          Quote: Thick
          the "toad" strangled spending money on such a souvenir ...

          I bought deliberately, only replicas of pneumatic PMs for training.
          The rest is spontaneous. Once I brought the PPSh home, my wife almost sent me to live in the car! Then I regretted it. laughing
    4. 0
      14 November 2021 07: 55
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      Thank you Vyacheslav for the excellent article. hi
      How much does a pneumatic Luger cost in Russia?
      Something in our city on sale, he did not come across to me.

      in Ekat cost EMNIP 6tr. I saw it myself.
      1. +6
        14 November 2021 08: 07
        Quote: Dead Day
        in Ekat EMNIP cost 6tr. I saw it myself

        At the end of summer, the most expensive model cost less than 12 thousand - the cheapest 6. In October, prices increased.
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  2. +12
    14 November 2021 09: 37
    Evgeny Golubtsov, better known as "Lugerman", is a man who is considered today one of the best gunsmiths in the world.

    This is purely American: "... as one of the best master gunmakers in the world today." As the Americans believe, modesty does not adorn anyone.
    ... but the army still had a set of blueprints with all dimensions made for a .45 Luger.

    The "army" did not have such drawings; Luger did not present them to the Americans. This is, let's say, fiction. In fact, this pistol is very famous among collectors and all movements of the only known Luger in .45 caliber from collection to collection are documented as well as the fact that Mike Krause made drawings and made them with this pistol.

    Perhaps Golubtsov does not want to advertise this moment. Still, for collectors it matters whether the product is made according to original drawings or copied.
    1. +5
      14 November 2021 12: 04
      "does not want to advertise this moment," and Vic Nick puts a pig on him. Shyutka.
      In to Nick. Good health.
      1. +6
        14 November 2021 12: 55
        Quote: vladcub
        puts the pig.

        Svyatoslav! It's all on the Web ... only in English. So what a pig ...
    2. 0
      4 February 2022 12: 06
      Quote: Undecim
      Still, for collectors, it matters whether the product is made according to the original drawings or copied.

      Therefore, he is not a restorer - he is a repairman. It is not difficult to sharpen new-made parts on a modern machine, but to restore old ones .....
  3. +4
    14 November 2021 09: 47
    Interesting article. But! "The Baby Luger is more expensive at $ 8275, and the Luger with a 7" barrel is $ 7775. " 7-inch barrel ?! belay The 6-inch "Msta" has a 152-mm gun. If 7 inches is the length of the barrel of the pistol, then a corresponding explanation should be made.
    1. +8
      14 November 2021 10: 01
      Quote: Black Colonel
      Interesting article. But! "The Baby Luger is more expensive at $ 8275, and the Luger with a 7" barrel is $ 7775. " 7-inch barrel ?! belay The 6-inch "Msta" has a 152-mm gun. If 7 inches is the length of the barrel of the pistol, then a corresponding explanation should be made.

      We are talking about short-barreled weapons, not artillery pieces, so your remark will at least be redundant - "tea is not an instruction."
    2. +7
      14 November 2021 10: 07
      Quote: Black Colonel
      then it would be necessary to make an appropriate explanation.

      What for? And it is so clear that this is the length.
      1. +5
        14 November 2021 10: 12
        I realized this LATER, but at first I took it for an annoying mistake in such a good article.
        1. +2
          14 November 2021 10: 38
          Standard practice for measuring the barrel of pistols and revolvers in non-metric countries. And before WWII and not only in them.
  4. +4
    14 November 2021 10: 44
    And at the age of 14, he already made his own pistol from copper pipes and plywood and with a wick lock.
    - why is he so retarded? !! am I made my first shot from the "set on fire" when I was a preschooler. fellow
    1. +10
      14 November 2021 11: 11
      Quote: Old electrician
      I made my first shot from the "set on fire" when I was a preschooler.

      And now you have your own arms factory producing 2000 pistols a year?
      1. +3
        14 November 2021 12: 24
        "his own arms factory" V. Oh, he has "come to his senses" with age and now he has completely different interests.
        I have a cousin, an older "preschool child, and he painted everything, sculpted from plasticine, and grew up cutting out models of pistols from wood. He was such an avid gunsmith. I imitated him and also became interested in the militere. My interest remained, but my brother was in 1990. joined some religious sect and now, like the devil with incense, only one drawing of the weapon jarred. How does he live now? At 03 m he left his family and left with the sectarians somewhere in the Osh region
        1. +6
          14 November 2021 12: 41
          Quote: vladcub
          How does he live now? At 03 m, he left his family and left with the sectarians somewhere in the Osh region

          I can only sympathize with you.
      2. 0
        14 November 2021 13: 03
        a gun made of copper pipes and plywood and with a wick lock.
        - a uniquely illiterate design. You won't shoot for a long time with such a recipe with whole eyes. Copper tube? - From what is interesting? The most suitable tube is the bronze tube from the tractor hydraulic system. Where did he get thick plywood at that time? Then there was only 6 mm from the mailboxes - completely unusable for firearms. The ideal wood for a pistol grip is discarded desk lids. The wood is dry, without decay, cracks and knots. You could even portray the butt. The wick lock is generally nonsense. - Some kind of game! A small cut was made in the tube. A match was clamped next to him. For a shot you strike a box on the head of a match and - bang! Match clip options were the subject of personal inventive skill. The blind end of the barrel was flattened and filled with lead or solder. In general, it's hard in the village without a revolver! I doubt that this Lugerman set fire to even one worthwhile fire.
        The following construction was more convenient. A sleeve was taken - 28 or 32 caliber. The center of the bottom of the anvil for the capsule was bored to fit the diameter of the stud. A cut was made along the length of the sleeve with a recess for the screw near the open end of the sleeve. A cylinder was machined along the diameter of the sleeve. There are studs at the end of the cylinder. A screw was screwed into the cylinder - a free shutter is called. All this was designed in the form of a compact pistol. The pistol was loaded with an ordinary primer - they were sold without a passport in packs of 1000 pieces. The cylinder was pulled back and fixed with a screw in the cut. Everything that was at hand was used as a mainspring. For a shot, the screw was moved with the thumb up - it disengaged, accelerated under the action of the mainspring and hit the primer with a nail. The capsule flew out of the nest and punched a notebook of 2 sheets from 24 meters. For school shootings, more slaughter is not necessary. It was a fun time! The current schoolboy does not understand this at all.
        1. +6
          14 November 2021 13: 42
          How did they survive in childhood? My classmate suffered from this. He suffered until one self-shot was discharged by his sister. She just picked it up out of curiosity. Miraculously survived, the surgeons saved, a wound in the stomach. But there was a noise at the school! when collecting scrap metal, one such amateur, handed over an aircraft cannon so that his pioneer class was the first, there were already serious uncles engaged in it. There was such a cheerful scum of houses, my arsenal was not found, but Dad came from the sea, found everything. I will not repeat it, "cosmonaut" did not come out of me.
          1. +7
            14 November 2021 14: 48
            There were injuries, but there was no current sadism then. Somehow I remember we bring our wounded comrade to the paramedic station for first aid - on the belly there is a stain of powder carbon deposits from a point-blank shot and pellets under the skin. Well, naturally, bloodshed. The paramedic is horrified:
            - Boy!!! Have you been shot? !!!
            - I fell!
            - What fell ?! Burn after all!
            - I fell!
            But how is that so ?!
            - I fell! ...
            It was another invention - the Gevello capsule and the second number of pellets instead of a bullet. There was just a company sitting at the table in the attic. All sober, did not drink - the age is not the same. On the table, as expected, there was a scattering of "trunks". Another idiot comes in, takes the "trunk" from the table, and with the words "In the name of the revolution!" snaps out of it into the belly of his neighbor. Alas! The "trunk" turned out to be loaded.
            In the school corridor there was a poster "The rules of good student behavior." I don’t know what the rules are, I haven’t read them. Maybe there was even something useful there. Structurally, the poster was in the form of a frame of about 40 by 80 cm, covered with Whatman paper. Every self-respecting schoolboy, passing by, considered it his duty to bang a primer on him. As a result, this placard took over at least 200-300 capsules. When pieces of whatman paper began to fall out of it, they took it off. After that, in place of the poster on the plaster, there were potholes from many ellipse-shaped capsules. This is how I first learned in practice what a circular scattering ellipse or a two-dimensional Gaussian distribution law is ...
        2. +4
          14 November 2021 16: 24
          As for the plywood, I agree: the parcels are lousy. We had no desks. Guys, where they took out trim boards.
          I have not seen systems with a sleeve
        3. +2
          14 November 2021 18: 09
          A copper tube was considered the best in my time, it did not break into pieces if anything ... A piece of a thicker tube was put on the "breech" for reliability, then flattened and poured. Using any lock to ignite the charge makes it possible to aim well or shoot at the right moment. The wick is the simplest, but it turned out to be very inconvenient due to unnecessary fuss and smoke. The percussion with a regular paper piston was much more convenient ...
          1. 0
            15 November 2021 09: 00
            We did not have such, and we also greatly appreciated copper pipes.
        4. +1
          9 January 2022 19: 24
          I didn’t think of that in my childhood. The capsule "chewed" both the propellant charge and the retarder. A pipe from some kind of device. The drum was made of a sheet of plywood, the barrel moved forward, the drum turned, the barrel back, the ammunition was pushed into the barrel, clamping the plywood between the end of the tube and the "bolt mirror". Six explosions in a dozen seconds and I’ll break it!
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  5. 0
    14 November 2021 10: 53
    it was in America that many gifted people of various nationalities were able to accomplish what they could not at home.
    "ah that damn scoop." And Motherland is usually written with a capital letter. Well, yes ... the USSR (which gave an excellent education judging by the article, and most importantly practically free), apparently unworthy of being called homeland with a capital letter.
    1. +2
      14 November 2021 11: 09
      In this context, the word "homeland" has many meanings. Therefore, according to the norms of the Russian language, it should be written this way. No need to cling. Everything free of charge obscures your eyes, but you had to pay for everything free. If I, for example, had the opportunity to choose, maybe I would not have chosen it. My granddaughter is in college now. I could have studied for free, but I chose paid education. The main thing is not paid / free, but the choice. In the "scoop" it was minimal!
      1. +9
        14 November 2021 11: 58
        The main thing is not paid / free, but the choice. In the "scoop" it was minimal!

        Well, not so minimal. Formally, you could choose any of about 900 universities in the USSR.
        There are about the same number of them in Russia today. And it is unlikely that the level of all these universities exceeds the level of the Soviet ones. The only significant difference is that now you can buy a diploma quite officially by choosing a paid education.
        1. +4
          14 November 2021 12: 29
          YOU are absolutely right, you could go to any higher educational institution. for this, it was only necessary to pass exams, pass certification and become a student. True, in some institutions the competition was 25 or more per place. some had to wiggle their elbows. And the sons of deputies, ministers, etc. nobody canceled. And so please, always and everywhere the doors are open. The plus was academic education .. now it looks more like a narrow profile ..
          1. +3
            14 November 2021 12: 43
            Quote: AlexFly
            True, in some institutions the competition was 25 or more per place. some had to wiggle their elbows. And the sons of deputies, ministers, etc. nobody canceled. And so please, always and everywhere the doors are open.

            The first two sentences are not compatible with the third. My wife entered the university, did not score 0,5 points. The daughter of the director of the plant was taken with the same result, but she was not. And so - yes, "all doors were open." They are still open ...
            1. +4
              14 November 2021 14: 21
              Read the second sentence carefully again, the devil is in the details ...
          2. 0
            14 November 2021 12: 45
            Quote: AlexFly
            Academic education was a plus

            And what did people with such a remarkable education allow 91st?
            1. +8
              14 November 2021 14: 19
              It is easy to understand when you stand in lines for food, you will understand that something is not quite right, so they hoped for a strong word for Boriska of the 40th °, because he made the same career in the Communist Party of the Soviet Union ... and the peasants of Sverdlovsk even in those days said that this one would not lead with an eye ... Karma, as they say ...
              Now, you probably trust the security officials?
              1. -2
                14 November 2021 14: 48
                Quote: AlexFly
                Now, you probably trust the security officials?

                Now I have a lot of sources of information that were not there before. Therefore, the question "trust, do not trust" is not correct. The correct question is: how informed are you in ... in order to make a certain decision related to certain circumstances. "Do you trust" is a grandmother on a bench, proud of her past free education.
                1. +5
                  14 November 2021 14: 51
                  So we speak for the past, and not for the modern society, with the corresponding availability of information ... or propaganda ..
                  1. -2
                    14 November 2021 16: 18
                    Quote: AlexFly
                    So we speak for the past, and not for the modern society, with the corresponding availability of information ... or propaganda ..
                    Then how do you understand this?
                    Quote: AlexFly
                    Now, you probably trust the security officials?

                    You will decide what the past is and what is "now".
              2. 0
                14 November 2021 14: 50
                Quote: AlexFly
                Believe so to speak

                They believe in God. And truly educated people should know ...
                1. +3
                  14 November 2021 14: 54
                  Thanks for the tip, I didn't know .. By the way, what decision did you make at that time?
                  1. -4
                    14 November 2021 16: 17
                    Quote: AlexFly
                    By the way, what decision did you make at that time?

                    Specify which one? There were many times ...
                    1. +2
                      14 November 2021 18: 01
                      Well, you started the accordion on the 91st ... So why wiggle?
                      1. +2
                        14 November 2021 18: 08
                        Ah, got it. Well. Then it was like this: I did not choose, but I was chosen. The party organizer came and said that the CPSU was no longer there, the "history of the CPSU" was canceled, the department was disbanded, and all the teachers of this discipline were sent on leave for 6 months. So that during this time we undergo retraining at other departments in other universities. Well, we got through. And we have a department of "Patriotic history !. Are you satisfied with the answer?"
                        And "wag" ... what ugly word did you choose. What's the point of wagging in front of you? This is the Internet, here everyone comes in everyone sees everything ... reads. You are not the only one, yes ...
                      2. 0
                        15 November 2021 12: 23
                        Those. for Yeltsin did not sing endorsements? If so, then I approve, I never treated him with piety ... And I still don’t understand how he was re-elected .... Sincerely, and sorry for "wagging" then ..
                      3. -1
                        15 November 2021 13: 28
                        Quote: AlexFly
                        Those. for Yeltsin did not sing the endorsements?

                        Why didn't he sing? He stood with a placard in the square at one of the rallies. Was sent from the pulpit. Subordination ... I could probably refuse, but I didn’t - it was interesting to see how this is organized and carried out from the inside. I found out. Then he made it so that ... in our city he beat Zyuganov. The work is the one who pays, then calls the tune. Although in this case the initiative was mine. Choosing between Yeltsin and Zyuganov, he chose Yeltsin.
        2. +2
          14 November 2021 12: 53
          Quote: Undecim
          Formally, you could choose any of about 900 universities in the USSR.

          When in 92 my daughter entered our university, then ... she was cut off a couple of points on the exam. Well ... "Shpakovsky's daughter" ... And she would not have seen a university if it were not 92nd. Come on, paid the money, and she entered. You should have seen the face of that woman who filled her up when she saw her as a student .. With a scoop, it would not have passed! And the year would be lost!
          1. +8
            14 November 2021 18: 08
            When in the 92nd my daughter entered our university

            But after all it was possible not to enter "our", wherever the points were cut. And applicants "with a hairy paw" have existed at all times.
  6. +7
    14 November 2021 11: 35
    I started to read the article and I think that a man in the USSR grew up and was able to become short-handed in Russia.
    Og it turns out he turned around in America.
    In fact, under the USSR, if he had not disintegrated or in Russia, he would have been given a seven for such arts with a probability of 100%.
    1. +3
      15 November 2021 00: 47
      He had the option to go to the arms designers in the USSR and in the Russian Federation in the specialized arms business.
      In any case, all sorts of "replicas" in the Russian Federation make and even equip whole sailing ships with them, also the creation of ship reenactors.
  7. -10
    14 November 2021 12: 18
    What does Eugene Golubtsoff have to do with the "Armament" section of the "Military Review" web portal? laughing
    1. +4
      14 November 2021 12: 46
      Quote: Operator
      What does Eugene Golubtsoff have to do with the "Armament" section of the "Military Review" web portal?

      Why are you asking stupid questions?
      1. -4
        14 November 2021 14: 58
        Then, that you confuse weapons with collecting weapons.
        1. +6
          14 November 2021 16: 08
          The theme is called "weapons". This topic includes everything related to weapons. However, the site has an administration - address your bewilderments there.
          1. -5
            14 November 2021 19: 20
            This is what I am addressing - publicly.
            1. +4
              14 November 2021 19: 57
              Quote: Operator
              This is what I am addressing - publicly.

              Ha-ha-ha!
  8. +1
    14 November 2021 12: 32
    Well done, I found myself in my favorite business, does he have a desire to revive TT33 at a higher quality level?
  9. +3
    14 November 2021 12: 32
    Comrades, the name "Roman and Francesca" is a little familiar to me, but I haven't watched the film, somewhere in my school years I heard it from my elders. "Brave People" I have absolutely no idea what kind of film
    1. +4
      14 November 2021 12: 48
      Svyatoslav! Be sure to take a look. "Roman and Francesca" is a very lyrical film, there are such wonderful songs ... And "Brave People" - wow! Also a very good film. Soviet Western!
  10. +6
    14 November 2021 12: 39
    I strongly doubt that he would have been able to become a "lugerman" in the modern Russian Federation.
  11. +2
    14 November 2021 12: 45
    "super scout Hans Kloss" I will try to psychologically explain why he has Parabellum? Walter R 38 began his "journey" as an officer's weapon, and Kloss in the story is a kind of servant and is armed in a soldier's manner
    1. +5
      14 November 2021 13: 28
      Quote: vladcub
      "super scout Hans Kloss" I will try to psychologically explain why he has Parabellum? Walter R 38 began his "journey" as an officer's weapon, and Kloss in the story is a kind of servant and is armed in a soldier's manner

      In the first series, he had parabellum because Walther simply did not exist yet! In the latter - Walter, as it should be!
    2. +2
      14 November 2021 15: 51
      Honestly, I watched it for a long time.
      I know very well from Soviet westerns: "The Elusive Avengers".
      You know, you intrigued me and I decided: choose the time and watch the films that you mentioned. At least some of them
      1. +3
        14 November 2021 16: 13
        Quote: vladcub
        At least some of them

        Then start with the film "Lenin in 1918": a film very rich in weapons, "Brave People", "Outpost in the Mountains", "Roman and Francesca" must also be watched. Of course, "Golden Bullet" - the work of the Hotchkiss machine gun is famously shown, in "The Headquarters is More Than Life" there are also enough hand weapons, there is something to see.
        1. +1
          14 November 2021 16: 33
          I know Leniana. I remember the "outpost in the mountains", but you can update it. And then there was "spaghetti western" now the name popped up. There the main character: "Sister Sarah"
          1. +2
            14 November 2021 16: 35
            Well, of course: "Two mules for Sister Sarah."
            1. +3
              14 November 2021 16: 40
              Exactly he. In my opinion, there is a mitrailleza or, something like that figured
              1. +3
                14 November 2021 16: 51
                Yes, exactly the mitrailleuse! You can also see about the "Military Van" and "Gatling Machine Gun" mitrailleses
    3. 0
      14 November 2021 23: 25
      According to the film, Kloss bears the title of Oberleutenant ...
      1. 0
        15 November 2021 07: 14
        Some frontline officers considered themselves soldiers. Therefore, do not assume that Kloss considers himself a soldier, and not a staff officer and prefers a simple and proven weapon.
        1. 0
          15 November 2021 07: 44
          "Parabellum must be pleasing as an experienced lady!" (C). wink
  12. +3
    14 November 2021 13: 37
    We also come across Lugermen. Here, at 1.52, the creativity of this is demonstrated:
  13. +4
    14 November 2021 13: 41
    Every summer, at the age of 12 to 16, he fired from 200 to 300 rounds a day from a pneumatic pistol at moving targets in a local shooting range and learned to shoot very accurately.

    2 penny shot in a dash. From 120 to 180 rubles per month ... 87 years. If you count from the age of 12 ...
    Use children's handles to break the pneumatics of the pistol .... Well, 30 seconds per shot. 2.5 hours of continuous shooting?
    I respect people who are enthusiastic. And if also the hands and the head are sharpened for the case, even more so.
    1. 0
      14 November 2021 15: 41
      I saw pneumatic guns, but I did not see air pistols
      1. +2
        14 November 2021 16: 36
        I have not seen pneumatic pistols either
      2. +4
        14 November 2021 17: 17
        We had pneumatics in shooting galleries. Not everyone is true. They were not popular. As far as I understand, this is just a more broken weapon than a rifle. Or the reason is simply no exactness. Do not know.
        Well, I don't believe in 120 rubles and more for that money to "shoot". Or daddy "bump". Or an extra zero.
        1. +3
          14 November 2021 21: 11
          Quote: Monar
          We had pneumatics in shooting galleries. Not everyone is true. They were not popular. As far as I understand, this is just a more broken weapon than a rifle. Or the reason is simply no exactness. Do not know.
          Well, I don't believe in 120 rubles and more for that money to "shoot". Or daddy "bump". Or an extra zero.

          The photograph shows the Izh-53M already developed in Russia (Baikal). The Soviet 53 has a handle sharpened either for right-handers or for left-handers. In the new MP-53, they returned to a simple handle, but the sight was transferred to the end of the breech.
          1. +1
            15 November 2021 04: 31
            Thanks for the clarification.
      3. +5
        14 November 2021 18: 10
        Quote: Astra wild2
        but I have not seen pneumatic pistols

        Well, of course ... They were in the park shooting galleries, they were. He himself shot many times.
    2. +3
      14 November 2021 16: 08
      "tassel" cost 5 kopecks? I don't remember anymore
      1. 0
        14 November 2021 23: 16
        In my childhood, domestic bullets cost 2 kopecks, German "brushes" - 4.
        1. +1
          15 November 2021 07: 27
          I lived on a collective farm and did not visit the shooting gallery often. I remember that the bullet cost 2 kopecks. I remember that I came with a godfather to the shooting range, and there were 3 separate guns. Tirshchik explained: this is under the brush. Someone said that it is 2mm wider than a bullet.
          After how many times he was in the shooting gallery and was not interested in whose brush
          1. 0
            15 November 2021 09: 36
            The caliber of our and German bullets was the same, but the "tassel" was a couple of mm longer. It was believed that they hit more accurately.
            1. +1
              15 November 2021 10: 31
              Wait, we had 2 types of guns in the shooting ranges: for bullets and for a brush. They had plastic stocks, later everything became plastic stocks. As I remember: the tassels had a sharp nose and the length was about 3 cm. We thought that the "tassel" was for adults.
              Stop, I remembered, there were: bullets with bristles "gderovka", but we disinfected: "brush" and "gderovka"
              1. 0
                15 November 2021 10: 34
                Oh, what kind of "brushes" are you talking about! Yes, those were thicker, only they were called somehow differently and were not popular.
                1. +1
                  15 November 2021 11: 07
                  We called them: "tassel" and they also did not have much popularity. All the same, at that time the boys lived modestly. Although socialism and cheapness, most of the population lived modestly. Therefore, I and the "electrician" question Eugene's story. Basically, if he has a surname: "Koreysha" or daddy work in ... Perhaps
  14. +3
    14 November 2021 13: 42
    Simply gorgeous. Here it is, the "American Dream" in the best sense of the word. Luger under .45АСР looks extremely interesting, but how does he behave when shooting? That would be a link to the video from the shooting%).
    1. +3
      14 November 2021 14: 03
      Quote: CTABEP
      That would be a link to the video from the shooting%).

      Go to Forgotten weapons. There is a video where Ian McColin shares his impressions of this pistol.
  15. +4
    14 November 2021 15: 38
    Colleagues, Vyacheslav Olegovich invited me to look into Vooruzheniye more often. So she "looked".
    1. +5
      14 November 2021 16: 16
      Quote: Astra wild2
      So I "looked".

      And I hope you weren't disappointed? And still ahead you will find material about ancient settlements and drawings, at 18.00 today - very interesting material with photographs, then there will be an article again about revolvers and ... in general, see "History" and "Armament". Already left at 15.00 look ...
      1. +2
        14 November 2021 16: 47
        Interested. I will try to look more often, but as the saying goes: "a person assumes, but ....."
        1. +3
          14 November 2021 16: 49
          Check out the material "Wind of Change". There are many interesting photos of Penza!
  16. 0
    14 November 2021 19: 56
    Why is it here that some completely unknown person is being advertised, who is presented as a famous gunsmith
    1. +3
      14 November 2021 22: 24
      If you do not know him, then it does not follow that no one here knows him. laughing
  17. 0
    15 November 2021 10: 20
    Yes, everything seems to be fine, but he does not work in his homeland.
    This is sadness. Golden hands are needed here.
    and to paraphrase what was said in the famous cartoon: "... such a cow would be useful for himself ..."
  18. 0
    16 November 2021 05: 10
    I got drunk not because this gentleman has acquaintances, but because of what he is advertised here.
  19. 0
    16 November 2021 14: 07
    Both Golubtsov and Shpakovsky undoubtedly have talents, but unconsciously they breathe some kind of anti-Sovietism and Russophobia, as my party organizer said, people with a smell. The main thing is that the Golubtsovs renounce Russian citizenship so as not to disgrace their former homeland.