Potential carriers of nuclear weapons in the Israel Defense Forces

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F-15I fighter - a possible nuclear carrier weapons... Photo IDF

According to various estimates and assumptions, Israel has had nuclear weapons for several decades and even built a "nuclear triad" of limited potential. For reasons of national security, such information is not officially confirmed or denied. However, it is clear that the Israel Defense Forces are fully capable of deploying and using nuclear weapons when available. The armament consists of a number of systems, complexes and samples suitable for use as delivery vehicles.

Development processes


Israel's nuclear program started in 1952. The first practical results were obtained in 10-12 years, and in the early seventies, it is believed that the first special ammunition was made. At the same time, nothing is known about the testing of such weapons. There are only versions and assumptions of unclear reliability.



It is assumed that over the past half century, the Israeli industry has managed to generate significant quantities of fissile materials and used them in the manufacture of nuclear warheads. According to foreign data, by the beginning of the XXI century. collected and deployed up to 60-80 such products, and by now their number could reach the level of 150-200 units.


The F-16I is also likely to carry more than conventional bombs. Photo IDF

In the future, on the basis of the existing warheads, it was possible to create a number of ammunition for various purposes for different types of troops. It is assumed that the first to enter the IDF's armament were free-fall bombs of medium and large calibers. The main carrier of such weapons was to be the F-4 fighter-bomber. Subsequently, special ammunition was included in the ammunition load of newer aircraft.

By the time the ammunition appeared, the first ballistic missile of the Jericho family was ready. She could carry a conventional or nuclear warhead weighing up to 400-450 kg and flew 500 km.

The last, at the beginning of the XNUMXs, was the naval component of the nuclear forces. Its basis is considered to be non-nuclear submarines of the Dolphin series, capable of carrying a wide range of missiles and torpedoes. Some of these munitions can be equipped with nuclear charges.

Air carriers


Currently, the IDF Air Force units have more than 300 fighter-bombers of a number of types. All this technology was developed in the United States and built at American or Israeli enterprises. Some aircraft modifications have been modified in accordance with the requirements of the IDF. Fighters with the letters "I" differ from their basic versions by a different composition of equipment and weapons. Such aviation complexes are widely used devices and ammunition of Israeli design.


The newest F-35I. Photo IDF

Apparently, one of the results of this refinement, with or without the participation of the United States, is the possibility of carrying nuclear weapons. Thus, the F-15I "Raam" and F-16I "Sufa" heavy fighters can be potential carriers of special ammunition. According to The Military Balance 2021, in the ranks there is one squadron on the "Raam" in the amount of 25 units. and four squadrons with "Sufs" - 98 units.

In the recent past, deliveries of the "Israeli" version of the F-35A fighter began under the designation F-35I or "Adir". Contractors are currently executing an order for 75 aircraft of this type. Not so long ago, the 30th aircraft was handed over to the customer, and the acquisition of the second squadron continues. In the coming years, new units will be formed / re-equipped.

Rockets on the ground


The first prototype in service with the ground-based component of the nuclear forces was the Jericho-1 ballistic missile, which had long been removed from service. In the mid-eighties, the first Jericho-2 missiles were put on duty, and in the middle of the 3s, the eponymous complex numbered XNUMX appeared. The development of the next member of the family is reported.

Potential carriers of nuclear weapons in the Israel Defense Forces
Jericho-2 as a launch vehicle. Photo Bastion-karpenko.ru

In the Jericho-2 project, it was possible to move into the category of intermediate and shorter-range missiles. According to known data, depending on the combat load, such a missile is capable of flying at a range of at least 1500 km. It is supposed to use a conventional or nuclear warhead in a monoblock design.

Rocket "Jericho-3" is distinguished by a three-stage scheme and shows higher characteristics. The throw weight is estimated at 1 ton, and the range can reach 4-6 thousand km. It was also reported that by reducing the combat load, the range could be increased to 10-11 thousand km. Accordingly, Jericho 3 becomes the first Israeli intercontinental missile.

Jericho missiles of two modern types are operated by the 2nd Wing of the IDF Air Force, also known as the Sdot-Mikha base. In the positional area of ​​this compound there are about 100 launchers. Accordingly, the army can simultaneously keep on alert dozens of missiles of each type.

Underwater atom


Since 1999, the IDF naval forces have operated the Type 800 or Dolphin diesel-electric submarines. This project was developed by the German industry on the basis of the existing Type 212, taking into account Israeli requirements and wishes. Construction is carried out at German factories.


Submarine of the Dolphin project. Photo IDF

From 1992 to 1998, the first series of Dolphins of three ships was built. The customer received them and accepted into the Navy in 1999-2000. In 2007, the construction of the second series began, which was completed in 2017. Two submarines of this batch from 2014-16. are serving, and the third is still being tested. The lead submarine of the third series was laid down last year. She is expected in 2026-27.

It was planned to include American-made Tomahawk cruise missiles in the Dolphin submarine ammunition, but the existing restrictions did not allow such an order to be made. In this regard, at the beginning of the two thousandth, its own Popeye Turbo cruise missile was developed and put into service. This product is launched through a torpedo tube and can fly at a range of up to 1500 km. It was reported about the use of only a conventional warhead, but, according to various estimates, it is possible to install a special one.

With the help of Popeye Turbo missiles, Israeli submarines can strike at enemy ground targets at a significant distance from the coast. It is assumed that the Dolphins and Popeye Turbo missiles with nuclear weapons can be used as a means of a guaranteed retaliatory strike and therefore occupy a special place in the enemy's containment system.

Features and their use


In general, a very interesting situation has remained around Israeli nuclear weapons for several decades. Israel has all the necessary technologies to create special ammunition - but is not officially developing them. Nuclear warheads are not in service - but there is a full range of delivery vehicles, which is a kind of classic triad.


Popeye Turbo rocket model. CSIS Photo

It is curious that the bulk of carriers of alleged nuclear weapons are tactical aircraft, while submarines and MRBMs are numbered in units or dozens. Due to the geography of the region, even a fighter with a tactical nuclear bomb, in terms of capabilities and potential, becomes a strategic combat unit. Nevertheless, missiles with operational-tactical potential and means of retaliatory strike have not been forgotten in the structure of the nuclear forces.

As practice shows, such "nuclear forces" are fully consistent with their tasks and have been coping with ensuring the strategic deterrence of a potential adversary for several decades. At the same time, uncertainty in the context of special ammunition should bother the enemy, and open data on the presence of potential carriers show all possible risks.

On the whole, the current situation resembles the old aphorism that Israel has no nuclear weapons and is ready to use them. Indeed, the question of the availability of such weapons remains open, and we are unlikely to find out the correct answer. But at the same time, it is clear that the IDF has all the capabilities, forces and means to use nuclear warheads - if they ever officially "appear" or an appropriate order is issued.
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  1. +1
    4 November 2021 05: 56
    even built a "nuclear triad" of limited potential

    Why, "according to estimates and assumptions"? In my opinion, it is impossible to hide this ...
    1. +3
      4 November 2021 07: 21
      Take China, there, too, everything is under the heading, and also only assumptions about how much and what they have in the strategic nuclear forces.
      1. 0
        4 November 2021 08: 32
        Take the same Chinese pyramids, where the clever Chinese built military facilities next to them and kept it all secret)
      2. -6
        4 November 2021 13: 22
        Quote: jonht
        Take China, there, too, everything is under the heading, and also only assumptions about how much and what they have in the strategic nuclear forces.
        But China officially has a production of fissile materials, and where is Israel? Hence the conclusion: Israel's nuclear weapons are actually American.
        1. +4
          4 November 2021 16: 19
          Nuclear center in Dimona, you heard, probably?
          1. -1
            4 November 2021 19: 01
            Quote: Alexey Kartashov
            Nuclear center in Dimona, you heard, probably?

            Yes, I've heard, I remember the name Mordechai Vanunu as a teenager. But this officially peaceful, and according to increased rumors, a weapons center can serve as a cover for the transfer of not even technologies, namely, nuclear weapons to Israel.
            1. +4
              4 November 2021 22: 17
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              But this officially peaceful, and according to increased rumors, a weapons center can serve as a cover for the transfer of even non-technologies, namely nuclear weapons, to Israel.

              Why scratch your left ear with your right heel, if you can just use a 150 megawatt weapons reactor, for its intended purpose - to produce plutonium and tritium? request
              1. 0
                5 November 2021 07: 05
                Quote: And Us Rat
                Why scratch your left ear with your right heel, if you can just use a 150 megawatt weapons reactor, for its intended purpose - to produce plutonium and tritium?

                Yes, because in such a simple way, you can cover up the real source of nuclear weapons, such as they did not give it, but he earned it himself. "Laundering" was not invented yesterday.
                1. +5
                  5 November 2021 11: 09
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  Yes, because in such a simple way, you can cover up the real source of nuclear weapons, such as they did not give it, but he earned it himself. "Laundering" was not invented yesterday.

                  Agree, to have your own production (including nuclear weapons) is always correct.
                  what if tomorrow a good uncle will change his mind about being friends?
                  and the punks in the area will not stop nightmare.
                  1. 0
                    5 November 2021 11: 13
                    Quote: Maki Avellievich
                    Agree, to have your own production (including nuclear weapons) is always correct. what if tomorrow a good uncle will change his mind about being friends?

                    Of course, but to cover the good uncle who ALREADY gave nuclear weapons is also necessary.
                    1. +4
                      5 November 2021 11: 22
                      Quote: Vladimir_2U
                      Of course, but to cover the good uncle who ALREADY gave nuclear weapons is also necessary.

                      Nuclear weapons have an expiration date. a kind uncle or you need your capabilities all the time
                      1. 0
                        5 November 2021 14: 50
                        Quote: Maki Avellievich
                        Nuclear weapons have an expiration date. a kind uncle or you need your capabilities all the time

                        Can not argue with that!
                      2. +6
                        5 November 2021 21: 44
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Can not argue with that!

                        For the extraction of phosphates, Israel is among the first seven countries in the world. The total phosphate reserves are estimated at several billion tons. Rotem Amfert Negev Ltd alone produces over 6 million tonnes per year in three quarries in the northern Negev.
                        A by-product of the phosphate industry is uranium oxides. Officially, the technology for extracting uranium from phosphates was declared a failure in the 70-80s, and then they simply stopped mentioning it, but 50 years have passed, uranium is not imported, and the reactor is working. But.
                        Vahanunu mentioned the industrial production of tritium in Dimona 30 years ago. And given the level of development of computing technologies in Israel, a logical conclusion suggests itself that Israel already possessed the technology of producing thermonuclear charges. So, the presence of megaton-class warheads in the Israeli nuclear arsenal is not excluded, although experts are inclined to a nominal of 150-450kt, as the most optimal (most of the warheads on the planet today, just in this range).
                        As for the tests, there are suspicions that some of the warheads tested by the French in the 50-60s were of Israeli assembly.
                      3. 0
                        6 November 2021 07: 14
                        Quote: And Us Rat
                        A by-product of the phosphate industry is uranium oxides. Officially, the technology for extracting uranium from phosphates was declared a failure in the 70s and 80s, and then they simply stopped mentioning it, but 50 years have passed, uranium is not imported, and the reactor is working ...
                        .... And what about the tests, there are suspicions that some of the warheads tested by the French in the 50-60s were of Israeli assembly.

                        Thank you, I didn’t know, but I doubt about 50-60s, more likely 70-80s.
                      4. +6
                        6 November 2021 21: 03
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Thank you, I didn’t know, but I doubt about 50-60s, more likely 70-80s.

                        France stopped testing in 1974, and relations between the two countries cooled in 1966.
                        In fact, the French and Israeli programs can be called Siamese twins.
                        Israel and France have divided their research areas in the 50s to save money and resources. One illustrative example is the production of heavy water for military French reactors, developed in Israel. And this is far from an isolated example. So, the French bomb is as much Israeli as the Israeli one is French.
                        The nuance is that the "Father" of the French nuclear bomb was Bertrand Goldschmidt, who worked with Marie Curie and participated in the Manhattan Project. He was one of the Jews of the Manhattan Project who brought to French (and Israeli) research, information on key nuclear technology that saved a decade of research.
                        So, it is highly likely that the Israeli development schedule does not differ much from the French one.
                        By 1967, when the paths of the two countries finally parted, both had to possess all the key technologies, including the scheme for the production of a multistage device, the so-called. thermonuclear "puff".
                        And the French "imperial" pride and their relationship with the Arab world, reliably guarantee that the secret nuances of this cooperation will be buried for centuries under the seal of secrecy.
                        The only thing that France has been and remains ahead of is the volume of production of fissile materials, which is banal due to the scale of production.

                        Here's an interesting article on this topic:
                        https://newizv.ru/article/general/26-09-2018/po-sluham-i-ne-tolko-kakim-yadernym-arsenalom-obladaet-izrail
                      5. +1
                        7 November 2021 07: 15
                        Quote: And Us Rat
                        France stopped testing in 1974, and relations between the two countries cooled in 1966.
                        The first test was in 1960, which means that you can forget about the 50s, and the last one was in 1996.
                        The cycle of the last six nuclear tests ended with a test on January 27, 1996 at Fangatauf

                        And as for the cooling of relations due to the arms embargo, this could not at all interfere with secret cooperation. (Conspiracy theories, her mother is so. laughing )
                        But I was not aware of the French roots of Israeli nuclear weapons. hi
                      6. 0
                        30 January 2022 00: 53
                        Quote: Maki Avellievich
                        Nuclear weapons have an expiration date. a kind uncle or you need your capabilities all the time

                        Well, Israel no longer needs a "good uncle" to maintain nuclear weapons. They themselves will do an excellent job with their scientific and industrial potential ... If Iran can, then why can't they?
        2. +1
          5 November 2021 15: 15
          in fact French, there is a reactor in Dimona
          the American can be in warehouses that store weapons worth 800 million, with Israel's right to use it.
          1. +3
            6 November 2021 10: 31
            Quote: Victor Danilov_2
            in fact French, there is a reactor in Dimona
            the American can be in warehouses that store weapons worth 800 million, with Israel's right to use it.

            when you realize that your weapon is in someone's warehouse. with the "right" to apply it.
            and if someone changes his mind to give you the right?

            his as they say to himself. so it will be more reliable.
    2. +2
      4 November 2021 08: 29
      In my opinion, it is impossible to hide this ...

      So the myth says)
  2. +1
    4 November 2021 06: 52
    It is assumed that over the past half century, the Israeli industry has managed to generate significant quantities of fissile materials and used them in the manufacture of nuclear warheads.

    The question is, why is the IAEA asleep?
    1. +6
      4 November 2021 07: 19
      Yes, they did not seem to sleep, but Israel also carried out most of the tests in South Africa. So the South Africans got under pressure. Look a few years ago here on VO there was an article on this topic.
      1. -1
        4 November 2021 07: 31
        Quote: jonht
        but Israel also carried out most of the tests in South Africa.

        And the IAEA side tests, they control the peaceful atom. Now tell me how the production that made it possible to collect what was tested has slipped past the IAEA, and what is now in the arsenals is not a box of matches. And another question - since it could not have slipped through, but it did slip through - is it worth trusting such an IAEA?
    2. +14
      4 November 2021 07: 35
      Quote: Cowbra
      The question is, why is the IAEA asleep?

      Israel is not a party to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.
      Those who signed and ratified it are responsible for violations of the clauses of the treaty.
      Those who do not participate in the agreement have no obligations. What do you think the IAEA should do under such conditions?

      By the way, the Israeli nuclear research center "Sorek" is under the control of the IAEA.
      There are even guided tours. At one time, he was depicted on a 5 lire banknote.
      1. -18
        4 November 2021 07: 53
        Quote: A. Privalov
        Israel is not a party to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.

        Isho?
        Quote: Cowbra
        And the IAEA side tests, they control the peaceful atom.
        ... and Azrailovka has been a member of the IAEA since its inception. Then throw you out of there to hell. Otherwise, all your membership is only on banknotes and in squeals about Iran.
        1. +19
          4 November 2021 08: 16
          Quote: Cowbra
          ... and Azrailovka has been a member of the IAEA since its inception. Then throw you out of there to hell. Otherwise, all your membership is only on banknotes and in squeals about Iran.

          Boorish attacks and mocking rhetoric are not the best arguments in the discussion. I dare not delay any longer. hi
          1. +4
            4 November 2021 08: 31
            Alexander, welcome! hi
            And on this topic, please comment?

            How, in the current realities, can a powerful blow to the morale of the population of a potential enemy be dealt and provoke a small social crisis? Bomb his factories? Kill a popular politician? Collapse the standard of living? Everything is much simpler: today, it is enough to simply hack a gay site and put the data of its users on the network. This is exactly what the Iranian hackers did, deciding to answer their Israeli opponents for the information attacks on Tehran.

            They got access to the local LGBT dating resource Atraf and took over a database with a million (!) Accounts and 17 million messages. Some of it is also published on the Internet: it includes names, email addresses and phone numbers, as well as sexual preferences and HIV status. Now, many families are waiting for divorces, and the potential presence of politicians and the military on the list is coming with scandals and reputational damage to departments.

            The Israelis notice the difference in the reaction to hacker attacks: if after the hacking of the servers of the national insurance company Shirbit, the stolen data lay quietly on the network, now government agencies are doing everything possible to immediately remove it.

            This is the best evidence of the sensitivity of the population of developed countries to such attacks. A good visual illustration of the expression "modern problems require modern solutions."
            1. +16
              4 November 2021 08: 50
              Quote: LiSiCyn
              And on this topic, please comment?

              And what is there to comment?
              Do you think that hacking the website of some gay people or an insurance company will lead to such social upheavals that they will plunge into some kind of crisis a country with a hundred billion dollars in exports, a stable economy, excellent health care, a powerful military-industrial complex, a strong army, a thriving high-tech and a high life expectancy ?
              Give up.
              This is not the case. Maybe this looks strange for a resident of a country in which its citizen has no right to dispose of his own ass at his own discretion. hi
              1. +1
                4 November 2021 09: 31
                Quote: A. Privalov
                Maybe this looks strange for a resident of a country in which its citizen has no right to dispose of his own ass at his own discretion.

                Ha ha ha ... laughing
                Well, you bent it ...
                This, in the first place, looks strange for a normal heterosexual man. Living in a country where "it", I hope there will be a perversion forever. wink
                1. +18
                  4 November 2021 10: 03
                  Quote: LiSiCyn
                  This, in the first place, looks strange for a normal heterosexual man. Living in a country where "it", I hope there will be a perversion forever.

                  Normal heterosexual men don't care about their opposites. They are not afraid of competition.

                  As for your hopes ...
                  I remember this country well, in those days when for 5 dollars it was possible to sit for 5 years, when for apartment brokerage, home small production and other nonsense they gave decent terms, etc., etc. In it, in a day, plus can change to minus and vice versa ... Those who were praised and honored yesterday, today they hate and curse at every corner, who were ashamed to shake hands yesterday, today they are endowed with unprecedented power and endowed with riches ...
                  So, I would not say so categorically. As the saying goes, we will shake and see. hi
                  1. -1
                    4 November 2021 12: 10
                    on the other hand, in the same country there was a mass of all kinds of "voluntary" traditions (from DOSAAF to the "struggle for sobriety), where
                    the herd and contributions were knocked out. still to come. Gal Ochowski is waiting. otherwise he only "his" is allowed to use. while .
                  2. -14
                    4 November 2021 13: 16
                    Well, everything is fine with you! The only country where girls serve instead of men. These stand sideways shaking against the wall. And the girls carry heavy Browning machine guns, make exhausting marches, in soot, vibration, smoke serve as instructors in tank training. Foolish from the barracks, take a photo in a half-naked form, hung with M-4. And even trickier, a selfie with a tied Arab. But these are future mothers! Shame! Kingdom of Crooked Mirrors!
                    1. +11
                      4 November 2021 22: 34
                      Quote: Vissarion Golubov
                      Well, everything is fine with you! The only country where girls serve instead of men. These stand sideways shaking against the wall. And the girls carry heavy Browning machine guns, make exhausting marches, in soot, vibration, smoke serve as instructors in tank training. Foolish from the barracks, take a photo in a half-naked form, hung with M-4. And even trickier, a selfie with a tied Arab. But these are future mothers! Shame! Kingdom of Crooked Mirrors!

                      Those who shake sideways have their own women, also not serving in the army. laughing Regarding the Israeli soldiers, the service is shorter by a year than that of the guys, and even where they were allowed into combat units, they enjoy a bunch of concessions - shortened physical training standards, distance of marches, etc. Well, there is no shame in defending the Motherland - this is how the guys get away from the deadline, incl. legal, in the form of a military department at the Union - yes, that's a shame.
                      1. -2
                        5 November 2021 06: 50
                        Those. it is normal when girls carry around a piece of hardware M-4 everywhere. And the guys in frock coats, wind curlers with curlers ... to defend their homeland, and take a selfie with a tied Arab. A huge humiliation for this man, and then he takes a knife and throws himself at passers-by. Here's something like this ... At the expense of ,, biennials ,,. Two friends of mine served urgently, then graduated from college and served as lieutenants for another two years.
                      2. +3
                        5 November 2021 06: 59
                        Those. it's normal when girls carry around a piece of hardware everywhere M-4

                        This is a voluntary matter - the girls have been seeking the opportunity to serve in the military for a very long time, they taught her thanks to the so-called. feminist lobby.
                        And the guys in frock coats

                        Most of them do not recognize the state of Israel, their women also do not serve in the army)).
                        to defend the homeland, and take a selfie with a bound Arab.

                        This is already a bad taste, inherent mainly in Israeli boys, by the way))
                        A huge humiliation for this man, and then he takes a knife and throws himself at passers-by

                        Firstly, with a ninety percent probability, such a man on his way to prison, and secondly, before the Jews began to give back, there were hundreds of times more attacks with knives. Yes
                        At the expense of ,, biennials ,,. Two friends of mine served urgently, then graduated from college and served as lieutenants for another two years.

                        There are some. Well done.
                    2. +5
                      5 November 2021 22: 12
                      Quote: Vissarion Golubov
                      where girls serve instead of men.

                      The same case of stupid lies, refuted with one click of the mouse. fellow




                      Not instead, but together.
                      1. -3
                        7 November 2021 11: 37
                        You show this political department propaganda to foolish people. You have every man on your account, in view of the huge numerical superiority of the Arabs and Hasidim for you is a REAL problem. What girls serve together with Hasidim, if they don't serve anywhere. The girls serve in their stead and this is obvious! I understand that x. do not serve due to the fact that there are no curlers in the army, and it is inconvenient to reel on cartridges. So you don't need to rub
                      2. +2
                        7 November 2021 16: 36
                        Quote: Vissarion Golubov
                        You have every man on your account, in view of the huge numerical superiority of the Arabs and Hasidim for you is a REAL problem.

                        Delivers to read the "authoritative opinion of iksperd" who lives thousands of miles from the topic under discussion, and has not seen it in the eyes. lol
                        I will not even dispute your stupidity.
                        If you like the role of a jester, then good luck. fellow
                      3. -5
                        7 November 2021 17: 49
                        Yes, because you are a clown who has a poor understanding of reality. Thank God for Israel that there are no such people in the IDF command.
                      4. -3
                        8 November 2021 07: 13
                        The fact that you are a clown, I understood a long time ago.
                      5. +3
                        7 November 2021 17: 12
                        Quote: Vissarion Golubov
                        Show fools.

                        Quote: Vissarion Golubov
                        in view of the huge numerical superiority of the Arabs

                        The number of Israeli Arabs is approximately 1,9 million, the total population of Israel is 9,3 million.
                        Quote: Vissarion Golubov
                        Show fools.

                        Please read and see.
                        Quote: Vissarion Golubov
                        You have every man on your account, in view of the huge numerical superiority of the Arabs and Hasidim for you is a REAL problem.

                        REAL the problem is anti-Semites.
                        The population of ISRAEL is 9,3 mil.
                        Arabs 1,9 mil.
                        Hasidim, as you wrote 1 mil.
                        There are 160 thousand in the army, 35% of them are women
                        Try (if not hard for you) to write TRUTH hi
                      6. -2
                        7 November 2021 17: 53
                        You have no curlers! Or maybe you are one of them? 35 percent of the IDF are women. You are an Amazon country. A unique phenomenon ...
                      7. 0
                        30 January 2022 01: 21
                        Quote: Vissarion Golubov
                        You have no curlers! Or maybe you are one of them? 35 percent of the IDF are women. You are an Amazon country. A unique phenomenon ...

                        Well, in your country, where 90% of men are drunks, all families also rely on women. Everyone has their own problems...
                      8. 0
                        8 November 2021 10: 39
                        This refers to the number of Arab men in the countries surrounding Israel
                2. 0
                  30 January 2022 01: 15
                  Quote: LiSiCyn
                  And ha ha ha... laughing
                  Well, you bent it ...
                  This, in the first place, looks strange for a normal heterosexual man. Living in a country where "it", I hope there will be a perversion forever.

                  Nothing, the country will be "cleansed" a little of the dirt.. What's wrong with that? Even the benefit will be .... More would light up all the violators of normal life, society would become cleaner.
          2. +7
            4 November 2021 17: 42
            Everything is as usual! For ANY mention of Israel in the materials of VO, anti-Semites flock, let's say it mildly! It's time to get used to it!
            1. +4
              5 November 2021 22: 22
              Quote: vadim dok
              let's put it mildly, anti-Semites!

              Anti-Semites are biological garbage and are 99% stupid, and 1% of them are smart, in fact, hypocrites who have some sort of gesheft from anti-Semitism who can easily replace Jews with another object of "struggle" if it becomes profitable.
              1. -3
                7 November 2021 11: 57
                ,, Biological waste ,, this is from Rosenberg's repertoire, to justify the ,, final decision ,, ... Crawled along his path. I knew you were going to roll!
                1. +2
                  7 November 2021 16: 50
                  Protecting anti-Semites?

                  Quote: Vissarion Golubov
                  I knew you were going to roll!

                  lol
                  1. -2
                    7 November 2021 17: 56
                    I hate the ideological followers of Hitler's fanatics. In the most unexpected place ...
                    1. -3
                      7 November 2021 18: 24
                      It's good that you are not a real Israeli, your descendants are yes (sorry, for a delicate topic). Hatred of the country of your former residence obscures your eyes.
                      1. +4
                        7 November 2021 21: 04
                        Quote: Vissarion Golubov
                        I hate the ideological followers of Hitler's fanatics.

                        Why are you protecting them then? No.

                        Quote: Vissarion Golubov
                        You are not a real Israeli

                        Oh-vey, is it noticeable? belay I will reveal a terrible secret, I am not even a real person, I am an Electronic. wassat



                        Quote: Vissarion Golubov
                        Hatred of the country of your former residence obscures your eyes



                        I periodically "treat" the "country of former residence" as a tourist to the resort. The nature is cool, the service is not bad, the girls are pleasantly not strict, the prices are reasonable, the choice is large. The only negative is that it is difficult to find someone to sit with in a human way, most of them do not know how to drink, they throw themselves into the meat.
                        The "country of my former residence" has not done (at a conscious age) anything to me, neither good nor bad, so I have nothing to love or hate.

                        You are less likely to believe in nonsense about total Russophobia in the West. You can’t hate something that is banal and not interesting to you and does not play any role in your life. And for 90% of Western inhabitants, Russia is just a country in the far north, which they hardly remember. For example, in the Israeli Hebrew-language media, Russia is almost never mentioned, even about the PM's visit to Moscow, the news said in passing, in one phrase, at the end of the issue.
                        Better to throw out the zombie box and start reading smart books. wink
                      2. +3
                        7 November 2021 21: 15
                        Finish off already - in our media there is not a word about the union of the Republic of Belarus and the Russian Federation, nor about Soloviev, nor about Kedmi, nor about Urgant ..
                      3. -2
                        8 November 2021 05: 48
                        And thank God!
                      4. -4
                        8 November 2021 09: 41
                        To finish off the hands short ... A familiar architect, now deceased, when asked why he did not stay in Israel after treatment. “I can’t be in this barracks. So many people in uniform and with weapons, I immediately remember the occupation ...
                      5. +3
                        8 November 2021 14: 48
                        Quote: Vissarion Golubov
                        A friend of the architect, now deceased, when asked why he did not stay in Israel after treatment. “I can’t be in this barracks. So many people in uniform and with weapons, I immediately remember the occupation.

                        Your friend, an architect, was a two-faced man.
                        For treatment, he came to the occupation and he was treated by the occupational doctors (they are also all military according to their age) and this did not stop him.
                        Well, the fact that the military go around with weapons in the country is normal. at any moment they can prevent a terrorist attack.
                        But in a country (which we will not name), if the military goes around with weapons, the population will decline much faster than from covid.
                        Here it is TRUTH hi
                      6. +1
                        8 November 2021 18: 08
                        Quote: Vissarion Golubov
                        Finish off the hands are short ...

                        Fakhrizade turned over in his coffin. lol

                        Quote: Vissarion Golubov
                        A friend of the architect, now deceased, when asked why he did not stay in Israel after treatment. “I can’t be in this barracks. So many people in uniform and with weapons, I immediately remember the occupation ...

                        PTSD is treated by a psychologist (from personal experience), in severe cases - medication. request
                      7. 0
                        11 January 2022 12: 05
                        So are you having mental health problems? Expected ...
                      8. 0
                        11 January 2022 21: 31
                        Quote: Vissarion Golubov
                        So are you having mental health problems?

                        No.
                      9. -4
                        8 November 2021 05: 47
                        Put prepositions incorrectly, the first sign that I forget the language ... So also, unfortunately, you do not know the history. In the face of a severe shortage of weapons from the first defenders of Israel. The first large transport with weapons came to the Jewish self-defense units through Czechoslovakia by order of the Soviet government. That's where the German carbines came from, and the assault rifles of the Israeli self-defense fighters ...
                      10. +2
                        8 November 2021 06: 24
                        Quote: Vissarion Golubov
                        The first large transport with weapons came to the Jewish self-defense units through Czechoslovakia by order of the Soviet government. That's where the German carbines came from, and the assault rifles of the Israeli self-defense fighters ...

                        Well, for that matter, he did not just hit - he was bought, all the weapons supplied through Czechoslovakia were paid for and at a price that was unrealistically high at that time.
                        As you know, the United States in December 1947 imposed an arms embargo on the Middle East. It hit the Jewish part of Palestine hardest of all, without too much of an obstacle to arm the Arabs, who, moreover, were supported by the British. On the other hand, at the very birth of the State of Israel, the Soviet Union provided it with not only political, but also active military assistance. There were no direct arms deliveries from the USSR, although such requests were received by Moscow. For this, Czechoslovakia was used, and mainly weapons of German samples were supplied. The first contract was signed in January 1948 for the supply of 4500 rifles, 20 machine guns and 5 million cartridges from Czechoslovakia. So the Israelis received Mauser magazine rifles of the Czech model 1924 and the German Mauser 98k, single MG.34 and MG.42 machine guns, easel ZB-53 (MG.37t). By the end of May, we purchased about 25 thousand rifles, more than 5 thousand light and single and 200 heavy machine guns, more than 54 million cartridges and 25 Messerschmitt-type aircraft - for a total of $ 12 million. The weapons were delivered by plane through Corsica or by sea to Tel Aviv through the Yugoslav port of Split.

                        The Messerschmitt-class aircraft were actually called Avia S-199. After the war on the territory of Czechoslovakia there was a stock of sets of components and assemblies for the German fighters Bf-109G "Messerschmitt". However, they had to install less powerful engines than the original. Israeli pilots for fighters of this design were trained in Czechoslovakia. In fact, the Israelis wanted more British Spitfires, but with only light unarmed aircraft in Palestine, 25 almost Messerschmitts (albeit with deteriorated characteristics) turned out to be a significant force. But a few Spitfires were bought in Czechoslovakia.

                        supplies were of course not of little importance, but by that time the yishuv was already simply stuffed with weapons.
                        By the way, the sale of weapons to Israel by Czechoslovakia in no way interfered with the sale of the same weapons and also at the direction of the USSR through Czechoslovakia to Syria.
                        The weapon itself does not have political or national preferences, and the former weapon of the Third Reich was then actively transferred to many Third World countries.

                        Syria was among them. In March 1948, for example, the leaders of the Haganah learned that simultaneously with the dispatch of weapons to Tel Aviv on the ship "Nora", the ship "Lino" left the port of Fiume with five (according to other sources - eight) thousand rifles and eight million cartridges from that the same for Czechoslovakia, but for Syria.

                        here in more or less detail
                        https://www.vokrugsveta.ru/vs/article/6242/
                      11. 0
                        8 November 2021 09: 06
                        Nice to read a person who knows well !!!
                      12. +1
                        8 November 2021 14: 55
                        Quote: Vissarion Golubov
                        Nice to read a person who knows well !!!

                        This means that I read the necessary books as a child! (c)
                      13. -2
                        8 November 2021 09: 27
                        We do not need such guests, especially with a fascist filling in our heads. So water the country that saved millions of Jewish people! Krylov has a fable, Pig under an oak tree, read ...
                      14. +2
                        8 November 2021 15: 04
                        Quote: Vissarion Golubov
                        So water the country that saved millions of Jewish people!

                        And you, read the wrong books and see what anti-Semitism preaches, and a LIE!
                        THIS IS YOUR PERSONAL AFFAIR,
                        BUT DO NOT USE THESE BRAINS FOR NORMAL PEOPLE!

                        Once again.
                        Write the TRUTH!
                      15. 0
                        30 January 2022 01: 23
                        Quote: Vissarion Golubov
                        It's good that you are not a real Israeli, your descendants are yes (sorry, for a delicate topic). Hatred of the country of your former residence obscures your eyes.

                        Hatred for the thieves' elite of the country and those who support it, and not for the country of the former residence, is the place to be. Don't confuse concepts...
        2. 0
          30 January 2022 01: 12
          Quote: Cowbra
          Isho?
          Quote: Cowbra
          And the IAEA side tests, they control the peaceful atom.
          ... and Azrailovka has been a member of the IAEA since its inception. Then throw you out of there to hell. Otherwise, all your membership is only on banknotes and in squeals about Iran.

          Well, let the IAEA "control" North Korea ....... If they can ...
      2. 0
        4 November 2021 08: 24
        And where does Israel have to do with it. Well, I didn't sign. Well...

        There is the USA and the USSR (RF), but the Americans have covered it.
        Einstein's face is simply mesmerizing.
        But the Great Poincaré is known only to mechanics, physics and mathematics. He's just GREAT.
        1. AUL
          +1
          4 November 2021 18: 05
          And who knows about Glagoleva-Arkadyeva now?
        2. +4
          5 November 2021 11: 21
          Quote: bya965
          But the Great Poincaré is known only to mechanics, physics and mathematics. He's just GREAT.

          a person makes idols, it has always been that way.
          and what about such names as Curie, Borr, Heisenburg, Rosenford, Kurchatov, Ginzburch, all of them cannot be counted from memory.

          I think Einstein's dignity was in his extraordinary flight of fantasy and scientific intuition.
      3. +1
        8 November 2021 06: 58
        on two languages ​​? Hebrew and Arabic?
    3. +5
      4 November 2021 22: 21
      Quote: Cowbra
      The question is, why is the IAEA asleep?

      Because Israel (as well as India and Pakistan) did not join the NPT, and as a result has nothing to do with the IAEA, since it does not receive any "nishtyaks" coming as a bonus to this treaty.
      The collective farm is voluntary. fellow
      1. -6
        5 November 2021 00: 25
        Quote: And Us Rat
        The collective farm is voluntary

        Again. for which they minus me - Azrailovka is a member of the IAEA since its inception. Has no obligations, has only the right to yell about how someone is breaking. Well, Iran?
        Privalov-navaln, not good, not a good person. Oh, you are not a human being - you are the highest race, forgive the Ukrainians
        1. +5
          5 November 2021 14: 15
          Quote: Cowbra
          sorry khokhla

          In the 21st century, with the availability of the Internet and the ability to find almost any information, including under treaties between Israel and the IAEA - there is no forgiveness for ignorance. am
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    5. +4
      5 November 2021 15: 18
      Cowbra
      Yesterday, 06: 52
      NEW
      +1
      It is assumed that over the past half century, the Israeli industry has managed to generate significant quantities of fissile materials and used them in the manufacture of nuclear warheads.

      The question is, why is the IAEA asleep?

      Israel has never threatened anyone and does not threaten destruction, unlike Iran
    6. 0
      30 January 2022 01: 07
      Quote: Cowbra
      It is assumed that over the past half century, the Israeli industry has managed to generate significant quantities of fissile materials and used them in the manufacture of nuclear warheads.

      The question is, why is the IAEA asleep?

      Well, if the existence of Israel is at stake (and without the presence of nuclear weapons, the Arab countries, and especially Iran, would have attacked Israel long ago), then Israel, of course, sorry, will not give a shit about the IAEA. They won't let him in. It's a question of the simple survival of the country ...
    7. 0
      30 January 2022 01: 09
      Quote: Cowbra
      It is assumed that over the past half century, the Israeli industry has managed to generate significant quantities of fissile materials and used them in the manufacture of nuclear warheads.

      The question is, why is the IAEA asleep?

      And what, the IAEA can "force" control everyone? Well, then let them "control" North Korea ....
  3. +5
    4 November 2021 07: 20
    With the help of France and Great Britain, Israel acquired atomic weapons in the early 1960s, when a nuclear center went into operation near the southern Israeli city of Dimona (Negev Desert). This center is still closed today even to the Israeli public, not to mention the representatives of the IAEA. According to American, Turkish and Western European experts, today's Israel already possesses 160-200 nuclear warheads and continues to produce components of atomic weapons, as well as their delivery vehicles - at least at a distance of 200-400 km. It is obvious what to do in these conditions. the emphasis, in the context of regional security, only on the Iranian nuclear program a, Iran, unlike Israel, signed the NPT means deliberately falsifying the situation. sides of Iraq. In 1970, the Israeli Air Force destroyed a nuclear power center near Baghdad. And no sanctions against Israel followed for that aggression. And after more than 1981 years, NATO's "peacekeeping" troops occupying Iraq, and Western experts did not find evidence of the development of Iraqi atomic weapons.
    1. +10
      4 November 2021 08: 07
      Quote: Codett
      In 1981, the Israeli Air Force destroyed a nuclear power center near Baghdad. And no sanctions against Israel followed for that aggression. And after more than 20 years, NATO's "peacekeeping" troops occupying Iraq, and Western experts did not find evidence of the development of Iraqi atomic weapons.

      Well, why not followed, followed.
      The destruction of the Iraqi nuclear reactor was immediately and categorically condemned by the international community, including Israel's closest ally, the United States. Washington froze military cooperation programs with Israel for four months. On June 9, 1981, the UN Security Council adopted a resolution condemning the Israeli action.

      After 20 years, what could one look for there? However, here's an interesting piece of evidence. First-hand, so to speak:
      According to Lieutenant General Anatoly Mokrous, who served in Iraq at the time, there were about 1.200 Soviet military air defense specialists. A division (three batteries) of the S-125 air defense system, an anti-aircraft regiment equipped with S-60 and ZU-23-2 automatic cannons, an anti-aircraft missile regiment equipped with the Kvadrat air defense system (an export modification of the Cube air defense system, numbering five batteries.In addition, in the immediate vicinity of the reactor were located the calculations of the short-range air defense system "Roland".

      At that time, the leadership of the USSR believed that the acquisition of nuclear weapons by Iraq would create many problems for Israel and the United States and lead to a sharp increase in the confrontation between the parties to the Middle East conflict, guarantee an increase in revenues from the sale of oil and military supplies to Arab countries and an increase in the role of the USSR in this region, but Alas...
      1. 0
        4 November 2021 13: 42
        Condemned, expressed concern. For 4 months they did not supply anything military, and in the next 4 months they made up for everything, fulfilled the plan in 8 months. Threatened with a finger ,, guys, it’s not good! ,,. How is it at Krylov's ... and Vaska listens and eats!
        1. 0
          4 November 2021 19: 05
          strategic note _____________________________________ In the near cohort of times, a strike is unlikely. But in the medium-term schedule, a blow is more than 100 percent likely ... But there is one troubles ... The Israeli military is good for everyone, BUT it cannot carry and drop ammunition to work on buried points. Now only 1 country is in service. " anti-bunkering products "Therefore, the blow can be delivered in the mid-term scale of the development schedule.
          1. +6
            4 November 2021 22: 08
            Quote: Thunderbolt
            BUT cannot carry and drop ammunition to work on buried points

            This is not entirely true, there are GBU-28 GBU-31 GBU-32 GBU-39 carriers are F-15
            F-16.
            Quote: Thunderbolt
            But in the mid-term schedule, a blow is more than likely by 100 percent .. But there is one trouble.

            This trouble is now being solved, or maybe it has already been decided.
            Massive Ordnance Penetrator (MOP) is an ammunition weighing about 14 kilograms, specially designed to destroy targets hidden deep underground.
            Other ammunition for breaking into bunkers in the arsenal includes missiles capable of piercing meters of concrete. As I wrote above, the carriers are the F-15i RAAM.
            In 2015, such weapons were part of a massive $ 1,9 billion US sale of IDF weapons.
            1. +3
              5 November 2021 22: 31
              Quote: Vitaly Gusin
              Massive Ordnance Penetrator (MOP) is an ammunition weighing about 14 kilograms

              Quote: Vitaly Gusin
              carriers are F-15i RAAM

              The combat load of the F-15i is 11000 kg, and not on one suspension.
              MOP is a weapon for large planes.


              Maximum GBU-15 available for F-28i from penetrators
              1. +2
                6 November 2021 08: 07
                Quote: And Us Rat
                The combat load of the F-15i is 11000 kg, and not on one suspension.
                MOP is a weapon for large planes.

                Yes you are right.
                In one review of the possibility of an attack on an Iranian reactor, American observers wrote that they are not surprised if the Israelis use their full takeoff load.
                which is 38 tons and will attach it to the central suspension.
                But if this does not work out, then they use GBU-72 from the penetrators, which they hope to receive in the near future.
                1. +2
                  6 November 2021 21: 29
                  Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                  full takeoff load,
                  which is 38 tons and will attach it to the central suspension.

                  The suspension itself, like the glider, will not survive such rape. And it won't fit in size.
                  But there is one curious way to use MOP, which for some reason no one thinks about ...

                  1. +2
                    6 November 2021 23: 35
                    Quote: And Us Rat
                    The suspension itself, like the glider, will not survive such rape. And it won't fit in size.

                    Quite possible
                    Quote: And Us Rat
                    But there is one curious way to use MOP, which for some reason no one thinks about ...

                    No, this option is also being considered.
                    To date, the Air Force has conducted two successful tests of "ammunition on pallets" for the C-130 and C-17 aircraft, said Major General Clint Hinote, deputy director of Combat Capabilities Integration Services, US Air Force.
                    Well, what is happening in Israel, of course, will not be advertised.
                    1. 0
                      7 November 2021 05: 37
                      Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                      this option is also being considered.

                      In the army, yes, but not on the forums, that's what I'm talking about.
                      1. +1
                        7 November 2021 07: 37
                        Quote: And Us Rat
                        In the army, yes, but not on the forums, that's what I'm talking about.

                        Yes, the time has not come for the forum. and the Air Force is fairly new.
            2. 0
              30 January 2022 01: 39
              Quote: Vitaly Gusin
              This trouble is now being solved, or maybe it has already been decided.
              Massive Ordnance Penetrator (MOP) is an ammunition weighing about 14 kilograms, specially designed to destroy targets hidden deep underground.

              I don't understand why make bombs to "pierce" an entire mountain in order to get to underground nuclear reactors. It is enough to destroy the "entry points" to these bunkers. There is also the supply of supplies, exits for people that we can "gouge". This is certainly a difficult task, but not impossible. Yes, they will be restored, but you can break them again ...
      2. +2
        5 November 2021 21: 07
        ..the Soviet leadership believed that the seizure of nuclear weapons by Iraq would create a lot of problems for Israel and the United States, lead to a sharp intensification of the confrontation between the parties .. guarantees an increase in income and military supplies .. and an increase in the role of the USSR ..


        And it brought, as always, non-refundable costs and international isolation. They were amazing champions in sports rake walking.
        1. +1
          5 November 2021 22: 24
          Quote: Iris
          They were amazing champions in sports rake walking.

          Were? lol
          1. +2
            7 November 2021 02: 17
            I really want to believe in this ..
  4. +6
    4 November 2021 07: 22
    As Golda Meyer used to say, Israel has no yao! But in which case we will apply it!)))
  5. -1
    4 November 2021 07: 22
    The United States will supply weapons to Israel for $ 735 million in 2021.
    The population is 8 800 thousand. If you count on the Russian Federation, then you get 16 lard of greenery.

    I am silent. - Then get the opinion off your face!
    1. +7
      4 November 2021 08: 34
      Quote: bya965
      The United States will supply weapons to Israel for $ 735 million in 2021.
      The population is 8 800 thousand. If you count on the Russian Federation, then you get 16 lard of greenery.

      I am silent. - Then get the opinion off your face!

      Come on, bliss and mock.
      This is not a gift from kind Uncle Sam.
      This is cash money from the pockets of Israeli taxpayers.
      And as soon as the Israelis postponed the purchase of new medical equipment for hospitals, cut funding for theaters, postponed the construction of schools until better days, canceled the construction of a new power plant and decided to put these funds into service, then there is something in this.
      1. -1
        4 November 2021 11: 30
        You and your nation are doing well. I put +

        But for some reason I don’t want to be you and I cannot.
        1. +9
          4 November 2021 13: 53
          Quote: bya965
          But for some reason I don’t want to be you and I cannot.

          I don't understand what kind of leg they are dragging? It seems that someone is strenuously offering it to you, but you refuse with all your might. lol
        2. +3
          4 November 2021 22: 36
          Quote: bya965
          But for some reason I don’t want to be you and I cannot.

          Well that's okay, nobody's perfect. wassat
    2. +6
      4 November 2021 19: 25
      If we start recalculating in proportion to the population, we will all be shocked .. For example, in this case, the volume of exports of goods and services of the Russian Federation should amount to 1 trillion. $ 770 billion wassat
      1. -2
        5 November 2021 20: 17
        So in the 90s, a group of comrades, who for some reason have a second citizenship of the same famous country, carried out such reforms that we still can't get it out of the way ... Guys, take them away.
        1. 0
          5 November 2021 22: 39
          Quote: Vissarion Golubov
          So in the 90s, a group of comrades, who for some reason have a second citizenship of the same famous country, carried out such reforms that we still cannot get it out of the way ...

          Where did you look? am
          Where were you? What they were doing? am
          Grazing in the pasture? am
          Every nation has the government it deserves. am
          1. -2
            6 November 2021 06: 58
            So take them for yourself, give them citizenship. They will reform you too, it will not be boring! Moreover, with money, it seems to simplify the task.
          2. -3
            6 November 2021 07: 30
            Speaking of interesting things. If your favorite country, they sell one "almshouse", then the F-35 will be in full view and a small EPR will not help ... If you do not find another traitor there.
          3. -2
            6 November 2021 07: 44
            Answered-hid and not the first time. Well, in short: take them to you, they will reform you too, it will not be boring!
          4. -2
            6 November 2021 08: 45
            Now this group is successfully being introduced into your economy. Wait for the results, they are not far off ...
        2. 0
          6 November 2021 06: 48
          Woe to the vanquished.
          1. -1
            6 November 2021 07: 04
            It is not evening yet, do not flatter yourself, the work is difficult, but it is going in the right direction.
            1. -1
              6 November 2021 08: 15
              I'm leaving, I'm tired of this moderation! Comments are hidden, then returned when interest in the topic has faded. When the comments of one side are read solidly and it seems that this
              the side outweighs its arguments. The game, in one wicket, Knowing the inside out, of this site, is not surprising.
              1. +2
                6 November 2021 21: 36
                Quote: Vissarion Golubov
                I'm all leaving

                Leaving go. Yes

                Quote: Vissarion Golubov
                So take them for yourself

                Why?! They are exactly where they bring the greatest benefit to their homeland. am

                Quote: Vissarion Golubov
                If the most beloved country you will sell one ,, almshouse ,,

                1. -3
                  7 November 2021 11: 16
                  And also imagine yourself as a "military expert". Two of these are already working. Although it is so clear that it is rather weak for you when the disc was given out for the MIRV. So jump to the top, there is no foundation ...
                2. -3
                  7 November 2021 11: 18
                  On account of the benefits for the homeland, you give a reason for anti-Semites, and then you get excited ...
                  1. +2
                    7 November 2021 16: 43
                    Quote: Vissarion Golubov
                    Two of these are already working.

                    Such? wink


                    Quote: Vissarion Golubov
                    give a reason for anti-Semites

                    Judophobes never needed a reason.
                    So let them run wild, you see, a couple of strokes will work. fellow

                    Quote: Vissarion Golubov
                    I'm all leaving

                    It turns out badly, try harder. wink
                    1. -3
                      7 November 2021 17: 43
                      Again there are no arguments. You are nervous again. How did you participate. Probably, the platoon commander was exhausted, I would have put him a liter of the capital city in compensation with such a subordinate
                    2. -3
                      7 November 2021 18: 38
                      Actually, you are a nation of great physicists. Do you fully treat her I do not know, you are one of those who have come in large numbers. Take the basic radar formula and slowly analyze, if you are capable of it (advice is free), you can discard Pi right away. What you picked up at the top does not mean anything ...
                      1. +2
                        7 November 2021 20: 25
                        Quote: Vissarion Golubov
                        Again there are no arguments.

                        Arguments for what ??? wassat To discuss nonsense? No and never will. Yes
                        Well, I don't see you as an adequate interlocutor. fellow

                        Quote: Vissarion Golubov
                        You are nervous again.

                        Yeah, already the finger twitches on the trigger. wassat

                        Quote: Vissarion Golubov
                        the platoon commander was exhausted, I would have put him a liter of the capital city in compensation



                        Quote: Vissarion Golubov
                        You are from those who have come in large numbers.

                        With a stretch. From the 3rd grade here. He also left the USSR, which I remember very vaguely.

                        Quote: Vissarion Golubov
                        Take the basic radar formula ...

                        I took it. Salt? Cook? Extinguish? wassat

                        Quote: Vissarion Golubov
                        Pi can be discarded at once.

                        Where and why? wassat

                        Quote: Vissarion Golubov
                        What you picked up at the top does not mean anything ...

                      2. -3
                        8 November 2021 05: 54
                        Have you left third grade? Thanks !!!
        3. 0
          30 January 2022 01: 44
          Quote: Vissarion Golubov
          So in the 90s, a group of comrades, who for some reason have a second citizenship of the same famous country, carried out such reforms that we still can't get it out of the way ... Guys, take them away.

          Well, now a "local reformer" has been sitting in Russia for 20 years... I think he "reformed" the country well and far outstripped "comrades from a well-known country." Who would take him...
  6. -1
    4 November 2021 12: 00
    "Potential carriers of special ammunition can be F-15I" Raam "heavy fighters" - IMHO, Raamy, oddly enough, were never involved in strikes against ground targets. So Raama and special warheads are unlikely.

    "In the recent past, deliveries of the" Israeli "version of the F-35A fighter began under the designation F-35I or Adir" - but in this case, the special warhead is asking for it.
    1. +10
      4 November 2021 13: 47
      Quote: Wildcat
      heavy fighters F-15I "Raam" "- IMHO, Raamy, oddly enough, was never used for strikes against ground targets.

      I remember that the F-15I Ra'am (Thunder) - [modification of the F-15E Strike Eagle for the Israeli Air Force] quite successfully flew to the closure of the Syrian nuclear program in 2008.
      1. +1
        4 November 2021 15: 31
        This is a very interesting question.
        I. Mostov wrote that the F15 was not used for strikes on the ground. But it is quite likely (I. Mostov retired from service in the 90s, now he works in Moscow and even is in Odnoklassniki) that he meant F15Baz, and in the late 90s F15Raam appeared.

        On the other hand, when the Iraqi nuclear program was closed in 1981 (Osirak), the F15s were used precisely to cover the F16s (which were precisely the ones that struck the object).

        There is no exact data (who struck and who covered) for 2007.
        As I would say, they do not exist until 1981 either (all these flights over the yacht of the King of Jordan, who then calls Saddam in Iraq are very strange, especially if you look at where brotherly Turkey is).

        But of course, it cannot be ruled out that I am mistaken.
        Much water has flowed under the bridge since the 1990s, the Syrian aviation (Iraqi, Jordanian, and even Egyptian) does not pose such a threat as in the 1980s (and those who think they do, still remember Artsav19). And if there is an F15 in a two-seater strike version - why not take part in strikes on the ground?
        And it is quite possible that the F15E, which in the United States wear B61, wear something, hmm, similar in other countries.

        However, my IMHO is also based on purely bureaucratic arguments - F16 in Israel for air-to-ground strike missions appeared earlier (the same Osirak), and IMHO, then it made sense to prepare several F16 boards and crews for special warheads. IMHO, the use of weapons from special warheads requires special technical training of the carrier and tactical training of the crew (and the corresponding ground services).
        The F15 with expanded capabilities for air-to-ground strikes appeared later and it is hardly logical to make another version of the carrier of special warheads out of them with the existing one.
      2. +2
        4 November 2021 15: 50
        Found, made a mistake, perfectly with 90x F15Raam they perform strikes on the ground:
        https://oleggranovsky.livejournal.com/14523.html
        1. +4
          4 November 2021 18: 44
          Quote: Wildcat
          Found, made a mistake, perfectly with 90x F15Raam they perform strikes on the ground:

          Yes, but not often used, there are only 26 aircraft, in contrast to the F-16 of which there are about 360 pieces.
          And for the tasks of today, the F-16 is quite enough.
          And the F-15I is a bomb carrier for the F-35I.
      3. -1
        4 November 2021 16: 02
        Here is this spirit in the photo, Syria's "nuclear program"? From zhezh darned shame.
        1. +6
          4 November 2021 22: 27
          Quote: Roman_VH
          Is this spirit in the photo, Syria's "nuclear program"?

          And this is Israel

          "Appearances can be deceiving," said the hedgehog, getting off the bristle brush.
          1. 0
            5 November 2021 00: 20
            We store in such silos for cattle
  7. +3
    4 November 2021 16: 08
    Some time ago, Breaking Defense published excerpts from an interview with the Israeli Air Force Chief of Staff during his visit to the United States. Answering the question about what changes Israel is making to the F-35 equipment, the general mentioned the Israeli means of electronic warfare-electronic attacks, communication equipment for real-time exchange of "big dates" - large amounts of information. But most importantly, he said about equipment for the use of secret weapons, which will be suspended in the internal compartments of the aircraft for use in stealth mode. What kind of weapon, the general did not begin to disclose. We can assume ...
  8. -1
    9 November 2021 18: 01
    Indeed, the question of the availability of such weapons remains open, and we are unlikely to find out the correct answer.

    Israel must be defeated by nuclear weapons, including their delivery vehicles. This is a guarantee of survival for its population in case of defeat in a conventional war.
    And if Syria and Egypt have nuclear weapons, then there will be real peace and love in the region and there will be no war, including conventional war.