Russia is preparing a weighty argument against the US missile defense

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Approximately in 6 years in service, the Strategic Missile Forces of Russia must receive a new heavy intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM), which will be able to overcome the American missile defense system. This was announced in early September by the commander of the Russian Strategic Missile Forces, Colonel-General Sergei Karakaev. According to him, the development of a new rocket, which will be liquid, will end in 2018 year. The new rocket will have to replace the world's hardest ballistic missile P-36М2 "Voevoda", known in the west as SS-18 "Satan". Like the "Voevoda" new rocket, which still does not have a name, will use the mine-based method.

The development of a new ICBM is a reaction of Moscow to the US plans to deploy components of its global missile defense system in Europe, in close proximity to the borders of Russia. According to Moscow, such plans of Washington violate the existing global balance of nuclear forces in the world. At the same time, Washington insists that the missile defense system being deployed in Europe is directed against the threat posed by unpredictable countries, which include Iran and the DPRK.

According to Sergey Karakayev, commander of the Strategic Missile Forces of Russia, the Topol and Yars class solid-fuel missiles currently in service are not enough to overcome a potential enemy’s missile defense. For these purposes, liquid rockets are best suited. Another reason for the development of such missiles is the development of the resource of the Soviet R-36М2 "Voevod" and UR-100N UTTX Soviet, which cannot be extended beyond the year to 2020. According to the 2012 year, the Strategic Missile Forces have 388 deployed strategic carriers carrying 1290 warheads. At the same time, the X-NUMX of the R-58M Voyevoda (36 charges) and the 580 UR-70N UTTH missiles (100 charges) are still in service with the Strategic Missile Forces. That is, the absolute majority of Russian nuclear charges are deployed on missiles that will expire in the very near future.
Russia is preparing a weighty argument against the US missile defense

Last Friday, 7 of September, the military revealed some details about the new Russian ICBM on liquid fuel, which is being developed to replace the P-36М2 “Voivod” missiles. The details of the new rocket were revealed by Colonel-General Viktor Esin, consultant to the commander of the Strategic Missile Forces of Russia. According to him, development work on the creation of a new rocket has already begun, and the task for its development was approved in 2011 year. In the role of the main developer of the rocket is the State Center (SRC) named after Makeyev (Miass city), and the Reutov NPO Mashinostroyenia takes part in the creation of the rocket. These two enterprises make up the first level cooperation. In the role of the manufacturer of the missiles will be the Krasnoyarsk Machine-Building Plant.

The new rocket will carry up to 10 false blocks and bring up to 5 tons of payload to the calculated trajectory. While modern Yars solid-propellant land rockets carry 4-6 of such blocks, Yosin noted. According to him, an increase in the number of false blocks will more effectively disorient the missile defense system of a potential enemy. At the same time, the payload of the new liquid rocket is 4 times greater than the payload of the Yars rocket. The payload of the IBR RS-24 Yars is 1,2 tons, while the new rocket will be able to put 5 tons of payload into orbit. The payload is the number of warheads, various sets of tools for overcoming enemy missile defense, as well as active interference. According to the general, the new rocket will have much greater potential for overcoming the missile defense system created by the Americans. But she will have her own minuses, to which he attributed the presence of "aggressive" components in her composition.

According to the commander of the Strategic Missile Forces, it is not necessary to exclude the possible deployment by the Americans of a space train of missile defense missile defenses, since research and development work is being conducted in the states in this direction. Given these factors, the potential of Russian small-size solid-fuel missiles may not be enough to overcome a promising missile defense system. For these purposes, heavy liquid ICBMs with a starting mass of the order of 100 tons, which are superior to similar solid propellant missiles in such an important quality as the ratio of starting mass and payload, would be best suited. This kind of missiles can use only mine-based.

Earlier it was reported that the new missiles will be placed in the same mines that are now used to accommodate the Voyevoda missile R-36М2. At the same time, deep modernization of rocket mines is envisaged, within the framework of which their technological re-equipment is planned, as well as the creation of a qualitatively new level of fortification protection using elements of active and passive anti-missile defense. These measures are designed to significantly increase the survivability of silo launchers from the effects of means of destruction of a potential enemy, both conventional and nuclear.

The new liquid ICBM will have to replace the P-1988М36 “Voevoda” rocket adopted in 2, which is capable of throwing tons of payload into orbit up to 10. Currently, it is the “Voevod” rocket that forms the basis of the ground component of the strategic nuclear forces (SNF) of deterrence in Russia. On permanent duty, the 58 of such missiles carrying 10 warheads each is still on track. In sum, this gives a third of all the nuclear warheads allowed by Russia under the latest Russian-American START treaty.

At the same time, the service life of these missiles is slowly but inexorably coming to an end and has already been extended several times. After 2020, they must in any case be completely decommissioned. With the help of modern Russian solid-fuel ICBMs Topol-M and Yars, Russia will not be able to achieve a balance with the Americans in 1550. On Topol-M missiles, there is only one nuclear charge, on PC-24 “Yars” missiles of such 3 charges, but the rate of commissioning of such missiles does not exceed 10-15 units per year.

According to Colonel-General Sergei Karakaev, after removing the "Voevoda" ICBM from service, the new rocket will become the heaviest of all those remaining. Her weight in 100 tons will be quite enough, the general said. Today it is not necessary to have a rocket weighing 211 tons, as was the case with Voivod, today new technologies have been created that, with a significantly smaller mass, can achieve even greater effect. At the same time, “Voevoda” has an outdated kit for overcoming missile defense systems, which is not as perfect as it is now. This missile was mainly used passive means of interfering, while in the new complexes are used active, their radio emitters blind the missile guidance heads. Currently, such a system is used on the latest domestic solid-fuel missiles: land-based - "Yars" and sea-based - "Bulava". According to Victor Esin, effective means of dealing with such false targets have not yet been developed.

Andrei Frolov, chief editor of the Arms Export magazine, believes that a modern medium-sized ICBM is necessary for Russia. Light Topol and Yars do not completely cover all existing problems, moreover, liquid rockets with a large payload mass will have more opportunities and reserves to modernize and equip the missile with more complex maneuvering warheads and new systems to overcome systems missile defense. At the same time, both the USSR and Russia have always been strong in liquid engines, while in solid fuels we have always lagged behind the United States. Taking into account the entire current situation, it can hardly be argued that the situation in the domestic chemical industry has become better.

The expert also drew attention to the fact that solid propellant rockets are much more difficult to extend the service life. While in liquid-propellant rockets you can simply drain the fuel, then disinfect the tanks and pump in new fuel, in solid-fuel missiles, if the fuel is cracked, the rocket has to be removed from service.

At the same time, not everyone is optimistic about the development of new missiles. In particular, Yuri Solomonov, General Designer of the Moscow Institute of Thermal Engineering, who created the Bulava rocket, believes that the creation of a new large liquid ballistic missile is an unnecessary waste of money and wrecking. From his point of view, to create a new heavy rocket, under which it will be necessary to re-deploy production facilities, is not entirely advisable. Formally speaking, solid-fuel missiles are gaining speed faster and more convenient to operate. In this case, a liquid-propellant rocket can, at the expense of more powerful engines, throw a higher weight.

The vice-president of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems, Vladimir Anokhin, believes that the new ICBM will be an effective means of overcoming the missile defense system. According to him, any breakthrough in rocket technology immediately creates a lot of headaches. At one time, the fate of Japan decided 2 bombs. If potentially 1, 2 or 4 missiles can reach the territory of the United States, with their modern psychology there will begin a panic. Today in Russia there are gigantic intellectual capabilities and the main problem with the hands that will translate ideas into reality. Vocational schools are dispersed, there is no continuity in the industry, the military industrial complex largely rests on the elderly. According to Vladimir Anokhin, in diplomatic and political terms, everything looks very nice, but in technical terms there is a gap.

Information sources:
-http: //www.vz.ru/society/2012/9/7/597133.html
-http: //www.golos-ameriki.ru/content/russian-missile/1500810.html
-http: //ru.wikipedia.org
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  1. +6
    14 September 2012 09: 05
    According to him, the development of a new rocket, which will be liquid, will end in 2018.


    long ... caught on late ... however, the conditional adversary deftly used the new strategic offensive arms to drag out loop time.

    The development of a new ICBM is Moscow’s reaction to US plans to deploy components of its global missile defense system in Europe, in close proximity to Russia's borders


    the arms race in its purest form, but not Russia began it, but some did not stop it
    1. curious
      +3
      14 September 2012 11: 22
      Unfortunately discussing what is only in the plans is already becoming a tradition. Let’s go into service, publish official information, and then we will discuss it. And then it’s so wonderful to replace existing reality with plans alone
      1. Bashkaus
        +1
        14 September 2012 16: 15
        I agree, and then the second article of the week about a new miracle weapon. Missiles as it was a week ago, and no, when they test, then we will rejoice
        1. elenasvetlova
          +1
          14 September 2012 16: 20
          that's right...
          1. the gray wolf
            +1
            14 September 2012 18: 16
            Quote: elenasvetlova
            that's right...

            more and more ladies on the site love
        2. 0
          14 September 2012 19: 07
          Quote: Civil
          but some did not suspend

          But we raised the legs up to the fullest ....... request
          1. 0
            14 September 2012 23: 39
            In general, ____ the cold war continues!
            1. Denzel13
              -1
              15 September 2012 23: 55
              She (the war) never ended.
    2. +16
      14 September 2012 11: 29
      Quote: Civil
      long ... caught on late ..


      Well, to answer, the fact is that the system of overcoming the American missile defense system has existed since the 70s, then 30 kg of jamming stations that were jammed onto the missile route that jammed the radar missile defense system were developed then the Americans panicked,

      And the projects were interesting

      "Tselina-2"

      “Tselina-2” is a project of an soil missile complex with an intercontinental ballistic missile. The parent organization is CB Yuzhnoye. The chief designer is Vladimir Utkin. It was developed in the early eighties.

      The project provided for the placement of launchers on a twelve-axle or eight-axle wheeled tractor MAZ-7906. Three-stage ICBM with solid propellant rocket launcher. The maximum firing range is 10 km. Starting mass - 000 tons. The length of the rocket in the TPK is 104,5 m. The maximum diameter of the hull is 22,6 m. The fissile warhead has 2,4 individual warheads for individual targeting. Project development has been discontinued.

      "Courier"

      The development of the Courier small-sized intercontinental ballistic missile was launched at the Moscow Institute of Heat Engineering under the leadership of Alexander Nadiradze in 1981. The preliminary design was completed in 1984. Development completed under the leadership of Boris Lagutin. Flight tests were supposed to begin in 1992, but were canceled for reasons political and economic nature. (I think it is clear)
      The complex was unique. He easily fit in the back of a Sovavtotrans-type automobile trailer, could be transported on barges in any railway carriages, and even entered the aircraft. Of course, he would not have given a clear increase in efficiency, but he could have taken part in a retaliatory strike, since it was almost impossible to detect it.
      "Courier" - the first and only in the world small-sized solid propellant rocket of a mobile soil complex on a wheeled
      to go. The launch mass of this intercontinental missile was only about fifteen tons - almost twenty times lighter than the first domestic ICBM! Work on the Courier rocket did not resume.

      Temp-2S is a three-stage solid-fuel missile with a monoblock warhead with a nuclear charge and a firing range of about 9 kilometers. The missile launch could be carried out with the shortest possible duration of prelaunch preparation - from anywhere on the patrol route, so to speak, “on the fly”.
      Given that the accuracy of rocket fire was (depending on range) from 450 to 1 meters, this complex was a serious “claim to success” in the war and would, if it were adopted by the Soviet Strategic Rocket Forces, pose a serious threat to NATO, which the West should counter couldn’t do anything. However, this development was betrayed

      At present, the design of the apparatus is being revived, which is equipped with ramjet engines of a special design, which allow the warhead to maneuver in the atmosphere at hypersonic speeds. such a warhead that there is a missile defense system, that there is no missile defense system - it makes no difference.
    3. +1
      14 September 2012 15: 00
      Quote: Civil
      the arms race in its purest form, but not Russia began it, but some did not stop it

      Well, if we assume that the nuclear potential will decrease by two, then this is more like a reduction in weapons seasoned with various lace and sparkles.
      1. Robin_3ON
        -1
        14 September 2012 17: 31
        A mine-based missile, and we blew up part of the mines, but I hope the information on the location of the remaining mines was not handed over to the amers ... well, or not all were handed over ...
        1. 0
          14 September 2012 23: 48
          Quote: Robin_3ON
          Mine-based missile, and we blew up part of the mines,

          They blew up IMHO, only the mines of medium-range missiles aimed at Western Europe. Mines under ICBMs seem to have not been destroyed
        2. REPA1963
          0
          15 September 2012 00: 01
          You probably laugh, there are not only shafts there, every movement is spotted in seconds and, in principle, the location of the mine does not play a special role, it can only be destroyed by a direct hit.
    4. -3
      14 September 2012 19: 07
      Yeah! This is a thing! good Satan needs to be upgraded and back into operation along with BRZHD!

      Quote: Civil
      but some did not suspend

      But we raised the legs up to the fullest ....... request

      Quote: Civil
      but some did not suspend

      But we raised the legs up to the fullest ....... request
  2. +1
    14 September 2012 09: 21
    how much more time will pass for testing, and then the defense managers will think whether to accept or not. need today
    1. Redpartyzan
      +8
      14 September 2012 09: 34
      Friends such projects are not one day. Consider existing problems in the industry. Even Voevoda was developed somewhere around 4 years and this is with the Soviet then the best in the world of kb! Yes, and Amersky Pro about 2018 will unfold. So stock up on optimism. I hope there are still talented designers in Russia.
    2. Bismark
      +1
      14 September 2012 12: 14
      Luch would first be patched up, and then announced about it during tests. Today, our power is not Soviet, they will not put to the wall for failure to comply.
  3. +6
    14 September 2012 09: 33
    All kinds of missiles are needed, all kinds of missiles are important! And it’s time to prepare space-based rockets, since our overseas comrades also climb into space not empty-handed.
    1. +16
      14 September 2012 09: 42
      maybe we offended someone in vain,
      slapping a couple of extra megatons.
      look how fun the earth is boiling
      where the ball used to be the pentagon
      1. +7
        14 September 2012 10: 59
        Silence above me
        In the midnight glow
        "Satan" has arrived,
        The kit is multi-block.

        Do not see an explosion from here,
        View shut me down
        From block concrete houses
        In the sky in the distance!
        1. +7
          14 September 2012 11: 12
          caravan
          rockets slowly fly away
          don't meet you anymore
          and although America is a little sorry
          China is ahead
          1. +2
            14 September 2012 11: 21
            ABOUT! Verbal battle!

            From all the missiles of Iran and Korea,
            In Europe we will create air defense
            And from the missiles from Papua Guinea,
            We will take the whole island of Sakhalin as a target!
            1. +7
              14 September 2012 14: 26
              And how do you like it

              Slowly sinks into the abyss
              The entire sixth American fleet.
              Germany is turning into ruins,
              Near Moscow, the nightingale sings

              Coming soon from space
              Our Russian special meteorite -
              And then everything will surely melt,
              And what does not melt will burn ...

              Will no longer see Bill Clinton
              Yes, and women will not fuck him anymore.
              His member will surely fall off -
              No joke - 120 megatons.

              Japanese bastards are insolent all -
              They say that they don’t care,
              That they’re already used to it,
              After Nagasak and Hiroshima.
              1. 0
                14 September 2012 19: 56
                Respect! And about "Club n" weak?
              2. 0
                14 September 2012 20: 44
                Quote: Wyalik
                Slowly sinks into the abyss
                The entire sixth American fleet.

                "Blue car" - you perverted
                Cheburashka-san is our hero
                Gena bombed all Pearl Harbor
                Under the motive of that song is simple

                Tablecloth, tablecloth, their entire fleet is creeping
                And a piece of iron turns into a sea
                Down there, down there, the sailors will obscure
                When Nae .... torpedo Shepoklyak
              3. REPA1963
                -3
                14 September 2012 23: 58
                And since when did the Russian flag become zhovtoblakitny ??? you Choi is then clinging to a great power your brothers are sitting in Warsaw, but thanks for the poem, though you are a crest, but you understand.
      2. qwerty_zxc
        0
        31 October 2012 14: 20
        and where is the Kremlin, and where are hundreds of Russian cities not in full swing?
    2. elenasvetlova
      +1
      14 September 2012 16: 15
      By the way, systems are thought out, and some are already implemented, which will always be near the target) or above it)
  4. +2
    14 September 2012 09: 50
    Modern magazines enrage me. The first phrase - "In 6 years, a new one should enter service with the Strategic Missile Forces of Russia," then "the development of a new missile, which will be liquid, will end in 2018." Since when does the end date of development coincide with the date of adoption ?????
    1. 0
      15 September 2012 17: 48
      Journalists, as idiots, are not offended. The overwhelming majority of journalists do not remember anything from the school curriculum, do not have logic in their reasoning, do not operate on facts, they have problems with arithmetic. And the goal is to overtake the horrors on us, to tell the light of everything, to cast doubt on all traditions and foundations.
  5. +2
    14 September 2012 09: 52
    The 15A14 strategic missile system with the R-36M heavy ampulized intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) and the third-generation OS type silo launcher was created in the late 1960s at Yuzhnoye KB, Dnepropetrovsk, Ukraine. The tests were carried out in the period 1970-1973. A variant of the missile with a multiple warhead of 8 blocks (MIRV type) was put on test in 1975. The monoblock version of the R-36M missile was put into service in 1978. As reported in the article, this missile became the most powerful missile in its class and received the designation SS-18 "Satan" in the west. In 1982, the R-36M ICBMs were removed from combat duty and replaced with more advanced R-36MUTTH, which are still in service today. The two-stage rocket R-36 M was made according to the "tandem" scheme with sequential division of the booster stages and structurally included the first, second and combat stages. The first stage housing consists of a transition compartment, a fuel compartment, side protection of the propulsion system and a pallet. The housing of the second stage includes a fuel compartment and a heat shield. The oxidizer and fuel tanks are separated by an intermediate combined bottom. The air-hydraulic pipelines and the onboard cable network, which are covered by a casing, run along the rocket body. An autonomous inertial control system was installed on the rocket, the operation of which was provided by an on-board computer complex. To increase reliability, its main elements had four degrees of redundancy. There were 3 options for the warhead (warhead) of the missile: 1) Light monoblock with a missile defense penetration complex (18-20 Mt), flight range 16 km. 000) Heavy monoblock missile defense complex (2-24 MT), flight range 25 km. 11200) Separating warhead (MIRV) with missile defense penetration complex (3-0,5 Mt, number of warheads -1,3), flight range-8-9250 km. The main performance characteristics of the missile: Weight - 10200 kg., Firing range -36000 km. , Rocket diameter -16000m.
  6. 0
    14 September 2012 10: 02
    Finally we realized! It was necessary 15 years earlier. It is hoped that they will be in time in time. Without this umbrella will be famously.
    1. Green
      +6
      14 September 2012 11: 23
      Quote: hohryakov066
      Finally we realized! It was necessary years on 15 before.


      Yes, it was necessary to stop building, creating, putting into service without stopping !!!
      Only at first one stsuko was bald, and then the other, always drunk, slowed us down. And we are behind.
      Well, even now they began to catch up.
      Catch up, no question !!!!
    2. elenasvetlova
      0
      14 September 2012 16: 14
      what then was ..... eh
  7. +4
    14 September 2012 10: 04
    yes, there are problems in the industry in bulk, plus how many specialists escaped over the hill, there is also an average age of under 60 years old, that’s the problem, but there are no young personnel ... scary, system error
  8. Kochetkov.serzh
    +3
    14 September 2012 10: 07
    Power is immediately felt. And on the account of the 18th year .... I think it will be ready sooner
  9. pepelacxp
    +2
    14 September 2012 10: 12
    this article could be conveyed in two sentences - tired of reading the same thing three times
  10. +3
    14 September 2012 10: 54
    O5 boil from scratch raised.
    New LiveJournal has long been in development. Now they are talking about it, maybe they signed START-3. And about the old missiles, you need this for the Americans. Well, those who have old missiles.
    1. Denzel13
      +3
      16 September 2012 00: 19
      Yeah, they still have a big question about what they can take off. The MX program has bent. What is left?
      It was supposed to have 450 Minuteman ICBMs, 100 heavy Piskipper (MX) and 500 light Midjetmen on combat duty. What does the USA really have at the moment? - A total of 450 ICBMs of the Minuteman type - obsolete morally and, most importantly, technically.
      The attempt of the Americans to create in response to our “Satan” heavy ICBM of the “Piper” (“Peacemaker”) type failed miserably. The missile complex, the creation of which was spent, according to various estimates, up to a trillion dollars (including the costs of production and deployment of the 50 ICBM on duty), lasted less than twenty years and was removed from combat duty without any replacement! Particularly impressed by the crafty "justification" by the Americans of the refusal to create a combat railway missile complex (BZHRK) based on the "Piper": The length of railways in the US is too small to provide secrecy - and this, with their total length of more than 250 000 km!
      The widely publicized company for creating 500 lightweight ICBMs of the “Midgitman” type, an analogue of our Topol, also failed. Only two test launches were conducted, one of which turned out to be completely unsuccessful - the rocket was destroyed by a signal from the test control center due to its spinning out of control, the second was only partially successful. After that, all the work on this project was completely frozen.
      In the dry residue of the US strategic nuclear forces (SNF) in their ground component remains 450 completely outdated ICBMs that do not have the means to overcome missile defense. And if we take into account the recent failures with the test launches of the “Minuteman”, we can conclude that the United States probably has no ICBM anymore. This conclusion is confirmed by the growing talk in the US about the need for the speedy development of a fundamentally new ICBM of the next generation, and convulsive efforts to create a missile defense system, which, according to the US CDF, will protect America from nuclear missile attack when it becomes unable to deliver preemptive blow, not to mention the reciprocal. This version is also confirmed by the question of canceling the modernization of the “Minuteman” ICBM assigned to the 2020 year - apparently, there is nothing to upgrade there, the rockets are simply of the skyrocketing.
      Now, that at sea:

      By 2000, the United States planned to have 480 ballistic submarine missiles (SLBMs) ​​deployed on 20 nuclear submarines (SSBNs). At the moment, the naval component of the US strategic nuclear forces comprise only 14 SSBNs with 336 SLBMs (losses from the planned figure were 30%). It is undoubtedly the most combat-ready component of the US nuclear triad, although the life span of the Trident II D-5 SLBM has already exceeded a quarter of a century. With the standard for combat duty set by the US Navy (60% of time), in the next ten years the US SSBN will be locked in bases because of its inability to go to sea. The combat readiness of the Trident SLBM - II at this time also raises serious doubts, since, being solid propellant, they carry the same weaknesses as the “Minuteman”.
      In addition, experts have long been questioned by the ability of American SSBN crews to perform a combat mission.
      http://via-midgard.info/news/18504-strategicheskie-yadernye-sily-ssha-traektoriy
      a.html
  11. 0
    14 September 2012 11: 08
    diplomatically and politically, everything looks very nice, but technically there is a gap.
    _____________________________________
    The result of everything said in the article.
  12. itr
    0
    14 September 2012 11: 18
    According to the commander of the Strategic Missile Forces of Russia, Sergey Karakaev, the Topol and Yars class solid-fuel missiles currently in service are not enough to overcome a potential enemy’s missile defense. Liquid missiles are best suited for these purposes.. I didn’t understand something. What kind of statements ????? only recently said that a solid rocket is a great topic and today it’s not very ???????
    At the same time, not everyone is optimistic about the development of new missiles. In particular, Yuri Solomonov, General Designer of the Moscow Institute of Thermal Engineering, who created the Bulava rocket, believes that the creation of a new large liquid ballistic missile is an unnecessary waste of money and wrecking. From his point of view, to create a new heavy rocket, under which it will be necessary to re-deploy production facilities, is not entirely advisable. Formally speaking, solid-fuel missiles are gaining speed faster and more convenient to operate. In this case, a liquid-propellant rocket can, at the expense of more powerful engines, throw a higher weight. And let this rat first launch the mace and then, in general, explain his thoughts
    1. 0
      16 September 2012 18: 00
      Quote: itr
      I didn’t understand something. What kind of statements ????? only recently said that a solid rocket is a great topic and today it’s not very ???????

      Nobody argues that solid fuel is more convenient for the military than liquid, but our industry does not allow them to be riveted quickly in sufficient quantities.

      A big plus that they commissioned the development of a new missile to the Makeevka Design Bureau:
      an order is money that will save personnel and, possibly, attract new ones.
      1. 0
        20 September 2012 01: 47
        Yes, at one time there was such an opinion. But all sorts of extremes are unacceptable. Liquid fuel rockets also have their advantages over solid fuel, in the first they are more dynamic, i.e. faster, secondly they allow you to lift more weight, which means more warheads, with a larger equivalent, especially since now they are laying special equipment to break the enemy’s missile defense.
  13. +2
    14 September 2012 11: 19
    It is a pity that Ukraine fell away ... There, not only Satan, but also Stiletto were made ... It is difficult now without the brothers of the Slavs. But you have to cope.
    1. elenasvetlova
      +4
      14 September 2012 16: 21
      handle it, rest assured
  14. anchonsha
    +3
    14 September 2012 11: 35
    Yeahhh ... We started for health, and ended for peace ... Although it is not necessary to hide the shortcomings in the country. And some kind of sediment still remained. We have little time. Different Germans with Roizman, Berezovsky and Adamovich ruined the country, corrupted the youth ... Try now, put everything together. It is much more difficult for Putin now than it used to be for Stalin. He ordered, threatened and everything spun in the country. But Putin now needs to do everything with an eye to it - if you don’t threaten anyone, you don’t put pressure, the liberal offspring will demonize him like that, and if he threatens, he will conquer with the West. For them, the worse in Russia, the better.
  15. +4
    14 September 2012 11: 59
    Why don't rockets fly like birds? Because they are smarter. Birds fly south, and rockets toward a likely enemy!
  16. +1
    14 September 2012 12: 07
    Quote: hohryakov066
    Finally we realized! It was necessary years on 15 before.

    Probably! Just what happened to Russia 15 years ago?

    And so, good news - let it scratch turnips. As they say, on ... with a screw, there is .... with back streets.
    1. elenasvetlova
      +2
      14 September 2012 16: 13
      young thinkers and translators of these ideas gradually appear in this industry, a witness to this
  17. John from the USA
    +3
    14 September 2012 13: 08
    Personally, these words hurt me
    Today in Russia there are gigantic intellectual opportunities and the main problem with hands that will translate ideas into reality. Vocational schools are dispersed, there is no continuity in industry, the military-industrial complex is largely held by the elderly.
  18. chaban13
    +1
    14 September 2012 13: 10
    Isn’t Orenburg on the last photo?
  19. NickitaDembelnulsa
    0
    14 September 2012 13: 17
    the timing is not fast, but there is already hope!
    1. elenasvetlova
      0
      14 September 2012 16: 13
      and even some results)
  20. Snake4
    0
    14 September 2012 15: 23
    Delirious commander carries some nonsense
    According to the commander of the Strategic Missile Forces of Russia, Sergey Karakaev, the Topol and Yars class solid-fuel missiles currently in service are not enough to overcome a potential enemy’s missile defense. Liquid missiles are best suited for these purposes.
    1. Yara is one of the latest developments, with the most developed means of overcoming missile defense, simply by year of development
    2. Liquid missiles are a slow accelerating trajectory -> a high probability of detection and destruction, in this scenario, the greatest loss of BB
    3. The only advantage of liquid - energy-mass characteristics, but this does not mean that it is better
    1. PDA59
      +1
      14 September 2012 17: 38
      Dear Snake4, You are not quite right:
      1. "Yars" mobile earth rocket, throws into orbit 1,2 tons of payload.
      2. The new mine PU will cast up to 5 tons.
      Naturally, the new missile will have more warheads and false blocks, which will already affect the effectiveness of overcoming the enemy’s missile defense.
      3. Acceleration time practically does not affect missile defense. Take, for example, Uzhursky RD - how will 2-3 minutes of difference in dispersal affect the reduction in overcoming missile defense? As long as their system detects the start of our missiles, until they make a decision, while the missiles start ... our missile will already throw out false blocks. Well, then draw your own conclusions ...
      1. Snake4
        0
        17 September 2012 19: 26
        Good evening, I want to object to you on 1 and 3 points:
        1. Yes, the thrown mass is less, but it’s with the development of this missile that the maneuvering BB tests that began in the last decade are associated, moreover, this missile is positioned as a response to missile defense after the end of START2.
        It is likely that modern means of overcoming missile defense, both active and passive, are the most perfect, the only question is in relation to the mass and quantity of these funds to the mass and quantity of BB.
        I want to note that each rocket was created and modernized to the current realities, the goal was to most effectively carry out tasks under today's conditions of counteraction + somewhat ahead.
        3. http://nvo.ng.ru/armament/2012-04-13/1_pro.html
        As you can see from the article, minutes and even seconds (interceptor delay of 80 seconds) matter.

        I also want to add that among today's news, the US strategic initiative: the destruction of ICBMs at the initial stage, for example, by deploying interceptor missiles on UAVs and on high-altitude aircraft platforms.
    2. 0
      16 September 2012 18: 26
      Quote: Snake4
      Liquid rockets are a slow acceleration trajectory -> ...

      The meaning of this statement is from the evil one. And with a liquid fuel rocket, you can make a short booster section, but this will affect the payload casting range (or a smaller payload for the same range).

      Incidentally, the new missile will be produced in the same place where the R-29RMU2 Sineva (NATO Skiff) is being produced, which has record energy and mass characteristics (developed by the same design bureau).
      1. Snake4
        0
        18 September 2012 10: 59
        Energy mass is an absolute plus (moreover, the R-29RM is included in the Guinness Book of Records), but it is not a decisive characteristic for achieving the set goal (to bring all BBs to goals with maximum accuracy when countering missile defense and other active and passive systems)
        Moreover, for the R-29, the main issue is the stability and secrecy of the carrier, which no longer satisfies the requirements with an increase in the potential for detecting SSBNs by the enemy
        Not all of our strategic carriers are on patrol, most are under repair or near bases, which makes them especially vulnerable - loss of 1 SSBN of type 667-BDR or BRDM = 16 * 3 = 48 BB (with standard 3-block filling)
  21. 0
    14 September 2012 16: 37
    After about 6 years, a new heavy intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) should be in service with the Strategic Missile Forces of Russia, which will be able to overcome the American missile defense system

    And the current ones are not capable ???
  22. +5
    14 September 2012 16: 47
    In order to avoid problems with skilled workers, it is now necessary to reach higher salaries for engineers with re-qualification as highly skilled workers. It is quite achievable.
    Salaries of workers should be higher than those of managers or engineers. The state can solve this problem now, and having experience in creating vocational schools and technical schools in the recent past, begin to create working schools, technical colleges, etc.
    But for this it is necessary to carry out military-patriotic education of youth, starting from kindergartens. Prohibit abortion and stop sodom in the media!
    1. 0
      15 September 2012 20: 01
      ioann1,
      Quote: ioann1
      But for this it is necessary to carry out military-patriotic education of youth, starting from kindergartens. Prohibit abortion and stop sodom in the media!

      We have been talking about this for a long time, only little has been done. This is especially true for patriotic work. Working with children myself, what can I do, but this is not enough.
  23. Cosmonaut
    -3
    14 September 2012 17: 52
    The rocket is g ** nom. For missile defense **.
  24. Patriot
    -2
    14 September 2012 18: 01
    YOU HEARD? THEY SAID AFTER 6 YEARS. A VIA 3 YEARS IN 2015, AMERICOSES WILL BE READY TO COMPLETE COMPLETELY OVER ICBMS WITH THE AJIS SYSTEM WITH SM-3 ROCKETS.

    THE DESTRUCTOR OF A VOVOCHCHIK WITH ITS OWN THE THIEVE GANG HAS BEEN PLEASED AGAIN. FU!
    1. biglow
      +3
      14 September 2012 18: 45
      Patriot,
      white-tape alarmists will soon begin to shoot
      1. REPA1963
        0
        14 September 2012 23: 50
        But am generally not the place here ....
  25. -1
    14 September 2012 19: 02
    About 6 years later, a new heavy intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM), which will be able to overcome the American missile defense system, should come into service with the Strategic Missile Forces of Russia.

    I'm afraid we haven't got six! I would say even a year! The situation is developing too rapidly!
    Amer will sit back and wait, when we weathe their nose!
    Be realistic, gentlemen forum users!
  26. sxn278619
    -2
    14 September 2012 19: 08
    A rocket in a mine (whose coordinates are known) with 10 blocks is a first strike rocket. She will not be able to participate in the retaliatory strike because the mine will be inundated. We are peaceful people, so instead of this missile we need cheap diesel submarines with 10 clubs (3 blocks each) with the Barents Sea-based area under the cover of the Northern Fleet. And no SM-3 missiles will help.
    1. Dovmont
      0
      14 September 2012 20: 57
      And how many ICBMs can be put on a diesel boat? Do you propose that we return to the 60s of the last century? This stage has already been completed and there is nothing to return to.
    2. 0
      20 September 2012 09: 22
      Quote: sxn278619
      She will not be able to participate in the retaliatory strike because the mine will be inundated.

      You are not entirely correct. The mines of the "OS" type are very well protected and can only be destroyed by a direct hit, which is very difficult to do even for American high-precision missiles. In addition, by the time the American missiles reach, which is about 30 minutes, the retaliatory strike will have already been delivered.
  27. 0
    14 September 2012 20: 14
    As far as I know, this rocket will have to be called "Parity".
  28. 0
    14 September 2012 20: 57
    http://warfiles.ru/show-13145-minoborony-rf-otkazalos-ot-zrpk-pancir-s1.html

    Ground Forces refused to purchase Pantsir-S1 air defense missile systems

    print

    14.09.2012 17:14

    [ZRPK Shell-C1]

    The command of the Ground Forces refused to adopt the Pantsir-S1 anti-aircraft missile-gun complex (ZRPK). Tests of the complex showed that it does not meet the stated requirements. About this newspaper "Izvestia" said a source in the high command of the Ground Forces.

    - Recent military tests at the Ashuluk training ground showed that the technical and combat characteristics of the Pantsir-C1 air defense missile system do not meet the requirements of the Ground Forces. Based on this, it was decided not to purchase these complexes, ”he said.

    ZRPK "Shell-C1" was developed by the Tula Instrument Design Bureau (KBP) on the basis of the Tunguska air defense system. Its task is to cover units from combat in an attack and on a march, to defend strategic targets, to cover the S-300, S-400 long-range anti-aircraft missile systems and, in the long run, S-500. "Shell-C1" can also hit ground targets - infantry and light armored vehicles.

    The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation has previously purchased ten Pantsir-C1 complexes, all of them are now distributed among the aerospace defense teams to cover the S-400 Triumph complexes. The Ministry of Defense plans to purchase about a hundred more Pantsir-S1 air defense missile systems for East Kazakhstan brigades over the next eight years.

    The issue of deliveries of the “Shell” to the Ground Forces was discussed for several years, comparative tests of these systems and the Tor-M2 air defense systems of the Almaz-Antey air defense concern were carried out. As a representative of the Russian military-industrial complex told Izvestia, all the tests were not very successful for the Shell.

    laughing laughing laughing I just ooh ...........
  29. +1
    14 September 2012 21: 11
    any breakthrough in rocket technology immediately creates a lot of headache for the United States

    This is what pleases! wink
  30. 0
    14 September 2012 22: 02
    If anyone in the United States had hoped that countermeasures to the deployment of missile defense were empty talk, let them give up all hope. And they realized it late or early ... The main thing is to get such a "thing" ON TIME. Today we have something to answer, and this is the groundwork for tomorrow.
  31. +1
    14 September 2012 23: 32
    We must hurry !!! More precisely to run faster than sound !!! The Motherland is truly in danger! And it cannot be oversimplified, why 100 tons and not 211? You can't imitate, you just need to get ahead ("Ask Lozino-Lozinsky"). And I still don’t understand why Teplotekhnika is developing the sea-going Bulava. and the mine, liquid-propellant rocket is assigned to "submariner Makev"? Solomonov has already SCREAMED on this score! Russia is in danger from those who make fateful decisions!
  32. REPA1963
    +3
    14 September 2012 23: 49
    The author of the talker (-) the fate of Japan was decided not by two bombs but the Soviet army completely defeated the Kwantung. And people do not know their praises to the talker, the patriots also
    1. -1
      16 September 2012 03: 23
      Come on already.
  33. mar.tira
    +5
    15 September 2012 06: 03
    And the cost of promising, effective, ineffective means of defense is always unprofitable. What to do, then it is defense! We need to do everything. Both solid fuel and liquid delivery vehicles BC. Main thing to do !!!!! And to do well. And do not sit back and wait until someone else’s rockets hit the head. I was overcome by the phrase that the fate of Japan was decided by two bombs. Here are the authors clearly overstepped. But the Kwantung army also broke two bombs? Can we downplay the feat of our soldiers in that war. For example, I think that it was precisely we who broke the ridge to the Ponds. And China remembers that.
    1. Denzel13
      +1
      16 September 2012 03: 01
      That's right mar.tira! The United States was greatly crippled by thoughts of the Kwantung Army.
  34. lcalex
    0
    15 September 2012 15: 52
    Quote: mar.tira
    And China remembers that.

    Hell he remembers
  35. Van
    +1
    15 September 2012 23: 20
    But isn’t it time to act in advance as Comrade Rogozin used to say, and not act contrary to it.
    And it turns out that Russia always invents a bolt, for Amerov’s super nut, and not a turn. Isn’t it time for them to throw a couple of puzzles to the backfill (the main thing is to do everything wisely) lol
  36. -1
    16 September 2012 03: 21
    "At the same time, the Strategic Missile Forces still have 58 R-36M Voevoda missiles (580 charges) and 70 UR-100N UTTKh missiles (420 charges)"

    676 MT, by the way)
    1. 0
      17 September 2012 00: 42
      Don't you understand that these missiles are at their limit in the "minus" mode? Can you understand? The "willingness" of politicians is not enough for the flight of missiles, and even more so for the "food of the families of the missiles." Another year or two ... the missiles will fly, and then only thanks to the professionalism and heroism of the "launchers".
  37. 0
    18 September 2012 20: 43
    Forward - Russia, Forward !!!
  38. +1
    18 September 2012 21: 38
    At the moment, we are still fine with cadres, and then their sunset by age is already coming, but after a while we will have a shortage of cadres, as not gifted people study at universities. More than 50% of the grades are bought, after which we have a new writer. From here we conclude!
  39. 0
    20 September 2012 02: 01
    From an interview with political analyst Dmitry Vydrin on December 30, 2005:
    “This was the first visit of President Kuchma to Georgia. The first, I remember, was Eduard Amvrosievich Shevardnadze. And his toast was to the brave guys from UNA-UNSO.
    Our delegation looked at each other strangely, but, respecting the owner, drank to it. Then there were various toasts on duty: to peace, prosperity, friendship. The turn has not yet reached the presidential press secretary. I was just sitting between him and Nani Bregvadze, who had previously sang Russian romances for us and had already sat down at the table. Everyone was already a little drunk, so the press secretary's toast was rather fluffy. He said: "Let's drink to the Russians!" and paused.
    Everyone, naturally, looked at each other in bewilderment, and the press secretary smiled slyly and continued: "Since we - Georgians and Ukrainians - are lucky that there are Russians in the world. We learned from the Russians to take everything. We sleep with their most beautiful women, we took they have the best romances - Nani just showed that these are not theirs, but our romances - we take oil and gas from them without payment ... Therefore, let's drink to these suckers who feed us, give us drink and provide. "
  40. Alexand
    0
    4 November 2012 20: 09
    There are not enough qualified workers. Because the training system has collapsed. Workers! Now some lawyers and lawyers. I started working as a milling apprentice in 1961! And to become a specialist more than one year has passed! At that time, highly skilled workers were working on the defense industry! And what kind of machines were.-German. Swiss, etc. new bought for gold. The institute was classified. but we guessed. what they produced! They paid very well for those days! Both engineers and workers were worth their weight in gold! We need to prepare specialists. And of course it’s good to pay! Our generation is gradually leaving for another world. And another generation must continue! It's not on the stage under the plywood to chew. But to move your brains!