Who will be the master of the Pacific Ocean?

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The United States is seriously concerned about the increase in the number and quality of ships of the Chinese fleet... Another brick was thrown into the information lake by specialists from FAS, a non-profit independent organization that worked out data from the US Naval Intelligence Agency.

FAS provides assistance in planning the US military budget and the information obtained by the organization's specialists can have a significant impact on the formation of costs.



The PRC fleet is today considered in the United States to be the main factor capable of neutralizing the United States' provision of control over the Western Pacific.

Indeed, today China is demonstrating the ability not only to build ships, but also to operate them competently. In addition, what is known about the programs of the PLA fleet for equipping it with ships, aircraft and various types of weapons, training various specialists - all this greatly strains military analysts in the United States.

Yes, they do not yet extol their rival, seriously believing that China still has a lot of problems and weaknesses in the organization of the fleet, but American experts admit that China is taking huge steps to eliminate them.

Today, the PRC's navy outnumbered the US fleet. At the beginning of this year, the PLA navy consisted of 333 warships against 296 in the United States, but the Americans still have a high-quality strike force.

And by 2025, the PRC will have 400 warships. 2030 - 425. And we are not talking about diving bots, but about warships.


However, the patrol boats, corvettes and frigates that guard China's borders at sea are more than enough to make it difficult for the same submarines to operate near the Chinese coast.

Yes, the striking power of the US Navy in the form of missile cruisers and destroyers supported by aircraft carriers and nuclear submarines is still power and strength. Even with the state of many ships, the US Navy is still a force.

Another question is that even today the Americans are urgently transferring everything that is possible to the Pacific Ocean, fortunately, there seems to be no one to fight in the Atlantic.

The main task of the United States is to balance the forces in a region as tense today as the Pacific Ocean. This is a very serious task, and the States still have the opportunity to solve it. Even at the expense of the transfer of ships and crews, which will cause congestion at the bases of the fleet in the Pacific Ocean.


This will still have to be done, since China's fleet is growing at the expense of new ships. Today, the United States recognizes that much of what China produces today is quite comparable to American models.

So the staff at the Pacific bases will have to be very stressed, but there is no other way out. Plus, of course, the attraction of allies. Fortunately, China has natural ill-wishers in the person of the same Japan and India.

So the desire of US military specialists to develop new concepts for countering the PRC navy is understandable. It is impossible to fully rely on the forces of allies in the region, even if they exist and share the American belief that China's growing navy is a dire threat.

But in this case, it is necessary to imagine the real capabilities and capabilities of the fleets of the two countries and add potential allies. As mentioned above, simply comparing the quantitative composition of Chinese and American ships is not entirely correct. The same applies to the total tonnage of the fleets.

The main thing is the number of strike ships capable of solving operational tasks in the region and the ability of the bases to support, repair and supply these ships.

The huge numbers regarding the US Navy here are not an axiom indicating that America has such a clear advantage, no. The number of ships that the naval command is able to deploy, if necessary, is significantly less than that indicated in the statistics.

After all, if you take the same cruisers "Ticonderoga", then of the 22 remaining in service, 10 must be disposed of within the next 6 years. This speaks, among other things, of how American cruisers are in general combat units. Considering that the youngest ships of this class entered service in 1993, and the oldest - exactly 10 years earlier, it is clear what conclusions are drawn regarding American missile cruisers.

Yes, they are. On the paper. Whether these are real combat ships today that meet all the requirements of our time is generally a separate conversation.

And if we compare "Tikonderoga" and the same destroyer of Project 055, it is very difficult to say who will win. I would really bet on the Chinese. It is both younger and thicker in terms of displacement (a destroyer is larger than a cruiser - it's funny) and more tools to harm the enemy.


However, comparing Ticonderoga, Arleigh Burke and Project 055 is a completely different topic. And it is worth adding Japanese destroyers to it. At least "Atago", although this is the same "Arlie Burke", but with a Japanese filling.

In any case, there are three countries that want to control, if not the entire Pacific region, then a significant part of it. And two out of three countries are in this part. Japan and China.

You can also add South Korea with its also very dynamically developing fleet, which over the past 10 years has received 7 missile frigates, 3 destroyers and 6 submarines. But South Korea at least does not have such pronounced ambitions, unlike Japan and China.

The Japanese fleet does not want to yield to the Chinese one in terms of dynamics and will soon acquire aircraft carriers as well. Converted from the newest (2015 and 2017) helicopter carriers. Plus 2 destroyers and 11 submarines in the last 10 years.

USA. 1 aircraft carrier, 12 destroyers (two of them Zamvolta, which did not work out very well), 14 nuclear submarines.

Of course, there is no comparison with what China is doing. 20 destroyers of various series, 1 aircraft carrier, 3 submarines, 26 frigates and 63 corvettes in 10 years.

Well, for comparison, it is worth mentioning here what the Pacific Fleet of Russia has enriched in this regard. 3 corvettes, 2 nuclear submarines of the Borey project, 2 diesel-electric submarines of the Varshavyanka class. Everything. More boats are being built, but in general everything looks very unfortunate.

The Pacific Fleet is not capable of playing on the same board with modern players. Alas. We have too few ships for that, and they are too old. Unfortunately, Russia can no longer be considered a full-fledged political player on the Pacific board.

However, we have no interests outside our borders in the Pacific Ocean. There is a controversial issue about the Kuriles, as they say, it would be kept in an upright position, if it was put.

It is worth asking the question: who needs it, this redistribution of the Pacific Ocean? After all, this is not the Suez Canal, not the Persian Gulf, there are no special minerals and transport routes ... But is it worth it?

In any case, if someone wants to fight for spheres of influence and control, it is not us. In principle, Russia is unable to maintain the growth of its naval forces that all participants in this review demonstrate. And you could fold your hands and calmly watch how events will unfold, but ...

But we have Japan at our side, intensively training its new army and navy. Equipped, we note, with new, brand new ships. And the imperial ambitions of Japan, multiplied by revanchism, will sooner or later be directed towards the Kuril Islands. Moreover, it is clear why. Because China, against which Japan is simply obliged to be friends with the United States, may not just give back, but do it very painfully.

Again, we are not talking about the use of nuclear weapons, with this question everything is clear and understandable: the world will be partially brought to the brink of complete destruction, or rather, everything depends on those who will brandish nuclear clubs. Another question is whether a few islands are worth starting a nuclear Apocalypse?

Not worth it. That is why the Americans are transferring ships to the Pacific Ocean, although one could easily get by with missile submarines. But submarine destroyers of civilization are a bad means of curbing Chinese ambitions, and Washington is well aware of this. And in Beijing too, that's why they continue to build up their fleet.

Today, the United States is seriously afraid that tomorrow in Beijing they may decide to try to change the established order in the Pacific Ocean, more precisely, in its most "fun", western part. This is a completely possible option, the control of shipping in this region can greatly complicate the existence of some states, which are very much tied to maritime transport supplies.

We can only watch what is happening, because we are unlikely to be interesting to any of the participants in the unfolding actions for the role of an ally. Alas, an old cruiser, an old destroyer and four old anti-submarine ships are ridiculous. Especially when compared with the fleets of real maritime powers.

But this is precisely the place of contemporary Russia in the Pacific Ocean. There, in shallow water, near their own shores. In the hope that the "Borei" will frighten the Japanese and 40 Japanese destroyers will not come to the Kuril Islands "for their own".

However, half of the Japanese fleet is enough for our Pacific Fleet to turn into scrap metal.


Necessary afterword.

Someone may think that this is another opus on the theme "oh, everything is lost." Perhaps such an assessment would even be fair, if not for a few points. Of course, I would very much like our country to be perceived as great, respected or even feared. Well, as it was before.

Sorry, but they respect and fear the strong. The rich and the strong, who have something to hit, if anything. Of course, all these cartoons about "Poseidon", "Petrel" and so on are very strong, and it may even frighten someone. Children who happened to be on TV screens. But aircraft carriers, cruisers and destroyers do it much better. Yes, intercontinental missiles that can destroy the entire world are not bad. But if you look objectively, then today the Russian fleet is the unsold and unassembled remnants of the once mighty fleet of a country that has been gone for 30 years. There is no Soviet Union, and the ships are still in service.

And who will respect that? Who will be frightened by the large floating target of Project 1144? How about the only destroyer in the Pacific Fleet? To be glad that you didn't cut it? And how can this museum ship surprise the Japanese? The good condition of the museum "Mosquitoes" that make up its striking force? Oh yes, now another big target of Project 1143 will be scaring the whole of Japan. And there will be a little fear for South Korea.

In general, to be respected, you need a fleet. To be afraid - all the more you need a fleet with a capital letter. Unfortunately, we do not have it, and it is unlikely to exist anymore. So, no matter how regrettable it is, Russia's destiny is the role of a coastal shtetl country that cares about the inviolability of its borders and does not get involved in big politics.

Simply because there is nothing to climb into it.
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  2. +9
    30 October 2021 05: 25
    Someone may think that this is another opus on the theme "oh, everything is lost." Perhaps such an assessment will even be fair,

    Self-criticism is the foundation. Honestly evaluating one's own "prose" is strong.
    1. +1
      30 October 2021 05: 43
      Excessive overestimation of the enemy is also fraught with ... we push ourselves to a heart attack with our weakness ... well, we will tear our hair out after that.
      It is necessary to raise the wealth of the country, its citizens ... to unforgive debts to all Russophobes ... to increase every ruble ... not to zero it to a simple piece of paper as it is now done ... then there will be full resources for the construction of ships.
      Oddly enough, the prospect of building a full-fledged fleet depends on the well-being of its citizens.
      1. +6
        30 October 2021 06: 07
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        We need to raise the wealth of the country, its citizens ...

        The country has it - is it wealth?
        Credit Suisse estimates that 1% of the country's overall financial well-being is concentrated in the hands of 57% of the "super-rich" Russian citizens. According to the Russian version of Forbes, during the year of the pandemic (from March 2020 to March 2021), the combined fortune of Russian billionaires grew by $ 207 billion, to a record $ 663 billion.

        Sounds strange, but little has changed:

        And you can't do anything with appeals and slogans.
        1. +10
          30 October 2021 06: 19
          Russia has wealth ...
          Russia has everything ...
          Natural resources, talented people ... and greedy, mediocre leaders ... some kind of fate hangs over the country all the time.
          We achieve great success in wars, but we cannot ensure normal well-being for ordinary citizens ... there are always crises, revolutions, wars.
          To create a large fleet, large production areas are needed, the concentration of qualified labor and financial resources, the establishment of production chains, the political will of the country's leadership, finally.
          Without all this, all the conversations and articles of Roman about building a large fleet are empty words.
          Look how the Chinese do everything competently and the result is obvious ... what can I say well done.
          1. +3
            30 October 2021 07: 31
            Quote: Lech from Android.
            We achieve great success in wars, but we cannot ensure the normal well-being of ordinary citizens ...

            Victories in the war because the common people are fighting. And after the victory, all sorts of "smart" leaders creep out
          2. +2
            30 October 2021 10: 34
            and greedy, mediocre leaders

            They are from the people. What is the pop, so is the parish.
            1. +4
              31 October 2021 09: 06
              Quote: FireLake
              and greedy, mediocre leaders

              They are from the people. What is the pop, so is the parish.

              All right.
              All these officials, corrupt officials, thieves, bandits. - they didn’t come from Alpha Centauri.
              It was with them that we went to kindergarten, school, institute.
              They are our relatives, friends, comrades.
              And it is our way of life that creates among us thieves, embezzlers, officials and corrupt officials.
              All right.
          3. +15
            30 October 2021 11: 52
            Quote: Lech from Android.
            Natural resources, talented people ... and greedy, mediocre leaders ... some kind of fate hangs over the country all the time.

            I am also tormented by a similar question. How is it that our people are wonderful, and the government, so to speak, is unremarkable? It turns out that the definition "every nation deserves its own government" is not applicable to Russia? On the other hand, all these snickering officials do not come to us from Mars. There is such a feeling that when hiring in power structures, a special screening takes place - normal, decent people are not allowed to enter there.
            1. +1
              30 October 2021 20: 38
              Have you heard the expression "production culture"? Because of this, some industries are simply not able to produce quality products. lol
              If we believe that worthy men came to power earlier, but today they are swindlers, then we have a degradation of culture. In society, conditions have developed due to which people with certain skills and character traits make their way upstairs and, unfortunately, people with such a set of qualities, make their way upward for profit, and those who can be useful to society lack the necessary qualities, so that today get into power and prove yourself bully
              1. +1
                30 October 2021 21: 05
                Quote: Eroma
                it means that we have a degradation of culture

                It happened, who can argue. The ideal of the Soviet man - the creator, against the Russian - the consumer. And those who are now in power deliberately debilize the population, so that God forbid the people do not form "Theseus", which could resist the "Minotaur". Therefore, at the same elections, as "opposition" we see ... those whom we see, and not real candidates.
                1. 0
                  30 October 2021 22: 32
                  Unfortunately, the scenario for the development of our society is as it is. crying One can only hope that the situation will turn out in such a way that Theseus will appear. In principle, there are positive shifts, but as the Jedi say: "the future is hidden and vague." what
              2. -5
                31 October 2021 13: 03
                If we believe that worthy men came to power earlier, but today they are swindlers, then we have a degradation of culture.

                Nonsense)))
                This means that there was an interception of control of power, and
                people with certain skills and character traits and, unfortunately, people with such a set of qualities, make their way upward for profit, and those who can be useful to society lack the necessary qualities to get into power and prove themselves today

                And if you try to remove them, then you will be so-and-so (loss of territory, collapse of the economy, etc.).
                This is all a projection of military power, and the stronger it is, the narrower you have the horizon of possibilities. The military power of Russia is growing, hence the narrowing possibilities of the West.
                )))
          4. +1
            30 October 2021 14: 00
            and greedy, mediocre leaders ...

            You understand that they are not falling on our heads from the moon, but also someone's friends, relatives, comrades, teachers, mentors, pupils? And what is it that we are greedy and talentless?
          5. -3
            30 October 2021 17: 08
            Russia does not need this large surface fleet - in modern warfare and technological progress, anti-ship missile weapons are becoming more and more long-range and effective, the same hypersonic missiles, and soon they will be supplemented with anti-ship MRBMs with a range of 5000 ships search and recognition systems on the world's oceans already exist and they will also develop now, there is a clear crisis of the platform, the larger the combat vehicle, the easier it is to detect and destroy it, and the ship as a combat vehicle in this regard is the best target, the larger the ship, the more expensive it is and requires high maintenance costs, so what is its military effectiveness will, when using the above missiles, it will tend to zero, stuffing an air defense missile defense ship only increases its cost, but the probability of defeat will not decrease in any way, since the sword has long surpassed the shield with tanks at one time the same thing happened as cumulative ammunition appeared, it is forever a loss l its invulnerability with the appearance of anti-ship missiles relative to ships, the same thing here, from one match of a sailor, an American hefty BDK burned down that now it will be scrapped and what will happen to it and others like them if a hypersonic missile flies into it from half a ton of a warhead with a high-explosive fragmentation incendiary. The Russian fleet needs those ships that it is now building without gigantomania and hype - no one will fight with us at sea, and we will fight with anyone at sea, the same fleet should be balanced and affordable for the budget.
        2. +3
          30 October 2021 07: 23
          Quote: ROSS 42
          for the year of the pandemic (from March 2020 to March 2021), the combined fortune of Russian billionaires grew by $ 207 billion, to a record $ 663 billion.

          Any crisis in capitalist countries is a transfer of funds from a less complete pocket to a more complete one. This is just an axiom because a fuller pocket can withstand a crisis more stable, and the means are always finite (not necessarily simple money, maybe property, means of production, etc.)
          1. ANB
            +2
            30 October 2021 23: 25
            ... Any crisis in capital countries is a transfer of funds from a less complete pocket to a more complete one.

            Crisis is not a zero-sum game. As a rule, the money has already been stolen and drained before the crisis. And the bursting of the bubble is already fixing the losses of suckers who have invested in it.
            Crisis problems began when they began to trade in air.
            Moreover, the exchange trade in air is purely a sign of capitalism. But even under capitalism, it was periodically prohibited. Under socialism, there is simply no exchange trading.
      2. 0
        12 November 2021 20: 45
        Alas, an old cruiser, an old destroyer and four old anti-submarine ships are ridiculous.

        especially if you take into account that this is an exaggeration. in fact - one BOD / frigate "Shaposhnikov" and "Tributs" after the VTG ... Even "Panteleev" ... (not without questions) as ...
    2. -1
      31 October 2021 12: 36
      Quote: Nafanya from the couch
      Self-criticism is the foundation. Honestly evaluating one's own "prose" is strong.
      But it happens that your "prose" is also read by others, INVOLVED in the Navy ... Yes ...
      I read Mr. Skomorokhov's article and some nasty feeling settled in my chest, as if it had come into contact with something disgustingly slippery ...
      Already such a-at the author- RUSHKA is wretched and worthless that it is just right to bring down from her as long as she is intact. And she does not have a fleet, and she will certainly be defeated, and the STAFF and Japans with the South Koreans will trample everyone in the Quiet Okiyan ... In short - horror. I disagree with this, as well as with many of the author's statements.

      1. The States will relocate the entire fleet to the APR because (according to the author)
      ... there seems to be no one to fight in the Atlantic ...

      in other words: RF Federation Council - about nothing!
      Then the question is: why did the United States within NATO reorient the British fleet to direct confrontation with the forces of the Northern Fleet, if there is no one to fight there? From what such fright did they revive their 2nd operational fleet?
      2. The author goes for a direct substitution of cause with effect, stating that
      The main task of the United States is to balance forces in an area such as the Pacific Ocean today.
      But this is clearly not the reason ...
      They were not going to counterbalance, but to create an overwhelming superiority in forces over the PLA fleet of the PRC. At the same time, they climb to the Chinese in the APR, and not vice versa.
      3. About the alleged combat worthlessness of the RKR type TIKONDEROGA. These are the wet fantasies of a man far from the navy. Ams for the war in Libya have reactivated their LK type AYOVA, And here missile cruisers are on the move. Yes, some need repairs, there are problems with the hulls, but this does not mean at all that they are not capable of firing a volley of Tomahawks at designated targets.
      4.
      14 US PLA
      is a real force that can turn the tide of any war at sea. They are qualitatively superior to the existing submarine fleet of the PLA, which cannot yet oppose them. But the author has some kind of frivolous attitude towards the submarine forces of the fleet.
      5.
      The Pacific Fleet is not capable of playing on the same board with modern players ...
      So - not a lot, not a little! And what are the tasks of the Pacific Fleet? Is it really going to capture GUAM? -- No!? And what, he is also unable to defend his coast, and he does not have a DBK, Aviation, finally RV !? Or is he alone, like a birch tree in a field, without the support of the rest of the RF Armed Forces, will he repel an attack by an adversary?
      6. About the national interests of the country in the Asia-Pacific region, the author writes so unpretentiously:
      we have no interests outside of our borders in the TO water area
      - we don't need trade connections
      Russia can no longer be considered a full-fledged political player on the Pacific board
      - Is it possible for Israel? It also has interests in the Asia-Pacific region. So it turns out - Everything is exactly according to the training manual! - "Drive RASHKA under the bench so that it doesn't stick out!" We, the Anglo-Saxons, will decide for ourselves who can do what. And we will also press the Chinese to the nail, otherwise, you know, you are dreaming - "a zone of interests, a zone of interests"!
      7. About the role of Japan. The author believes that the growth of Japan's self-defense forces is not against China, but primarily against us, because they are going to come to the Kuril Islands "for their own." And at the same time, we must certainly lose to them. But
      again we are not talking about the use of nuclear weapons
      ... And why the author denies us this is not clear. But he asks US, and not the Japanese (!) A question:
      Are a few islands worth starting a nuclear apocalypse
      - thereby shifting responsibility from a sore head to a healthy one. Indeed: - Are the Japons ready to burn in a nuclear fire for this? Let them decide for themselves, before climbing on the islands that went to us as a result of WWII.
      8. The author in every possible way humiliates the role of the country in the region.
      We are of no interest to anyone as allies.
      And the place of the Russian Federation -
      in shallow water, near its own shores
      , which soon 40 Japanese EVs will come to pick up "back" ...
      And then sobbing and sniffing:
      Of course, I would like our country to be perceived as great, respected or even feared ... They respect and fear the strong. The rich and the strong, who have something to hit, if anything
      - And Russia, it turns out, does not have the Strategic Missile Forces, and the Army and the Navy are worthless ... Then what are the US and NATO so afraid of?
      9. The author did not hesitate to directly slander the Russian fleet:
      Today, the Russian fleet is the unsold and unassembled remnants of the once mighty fleet of a country that is already 30 years old ...

      What can I say .. a blind man cannot explain that a rainbow is colored. But the fleet is being built. Maybe not as fast as we would like, but it is being built. Here are the statistics for 2020:

      And this instills confidence that we will still bring to life the words from the verdict of the Boyar Duma - SEA SHIPS WILL BE!
      IMHO.
    3. 0
      31 October 2021 14: 23
      Quote: Nafanya from the couch
      Self-criticism is the foundation. Honestly evaluating one's own "prose" is strong.

      If you have something to say (answer) to this article in essence - you need to write - and, then from the couch of a critic - this is the same strong!))
      1. -4
        31 October 2021 16: 32
        Quote: Lesorub
        If you have something to say (answer) to this article in essence - you need to write ...

        Useful advice. Perhaps I will use it!
        The author writes:
        Who will be scared large floating target - project 1144? Oh yes, now another one big target of project 1143 will create fear throughout Japan. And there will be a little fear for South Korea.
        Mr. Skomorokhov does not want to consider our ships other than TARGETS ... This is his "love" for the fleet ... But he stubbornly continues to parasitize on the topic of the FLEET. But, in essence of the question:
        1. In the opinion of the Yankees themselves, the TARKR pr 1144.2, after modernization, will become the most armed surface ship, except for the AVM, of course. And the equipment of its anti-ship missiles 3M22 ZIRKON brings it to the first row of shock ships in the world. And how, after that, should one assess the author's statement !?
        2. TAVKR pr 1143.5 "Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Kuznetsov" was not based (and it seems that its redeployment is not planned) at the Pacific Fleet. Therefore, the passage about his participation in the intimidation of Japan and South Korea is not clear.
        But this is so, in addition to the previous post.
  3. +6
    30 October 2021 06: 02
    Thank you, Roman! The main thing is with feeling and “bull's-eye”.
    To attend to the state of the Russian fleet, it needs to go out and sink the yachts of Russian oligarchs. Maybe something will budge ... recourse
    1. +1
      30 October 2021 15: 13
      And then I came across an interview:

      It is consonant with your concern, confirms your fears and completely debunks the victorious reports of various "hat-takers" and "leavened patriots."
      hi
      1. +8
        30 October 2021 21: 13
        It softens a lot. And somewhat inaccurate.
        Over the past 10 years, the United States has been in operation:
        Arlie Berg - 10 pcs
        Zamvolt - 2 pieces
        Virginia - 12 pcs
        LCS - 18 pcs
        UDC America (light aircraft carrier configuration) - 2 pcs.

        Japan:
        Destroyers - 8 pcs.
        Submarines - 10 units
        Light AB - 2 pieces

        South Korea:
        Frigates - 7
        Submarines - 6 pcs.
  4. +4
    30 October 2021 06: 35
    North Korea where to control the Pacific Ocean !? belay
  5. +32
    30 October 2021 07: 15
    You can also add South Korea with its also very dynamically developing fleet ... But the DPRK at least does not have such pronounced ambitions

    Roman, take a closer look - these are different states
    1. +4
      30 October 2021 12: 06
      Quote: Tugarin
      Roman, take a closer look - these are different states

      You are right, the author has a lot of similar sticks, for example, at least this one:
      But China at least does not have such pronounced ambitions, unlike Japan and China.
      we are talking about the Republic of Korea (RK), and the abbreviation = PRC is the People's Republic of China, which for some reason does not have ambitions, unlike CHINA ... If the author means Taipei (this is still the Republic of China), then he the fleet has no such thing, and neither does it have ambitions. Hang him on a branch so that mainland CHINA does not eat!
  6. -2
    30 October 2021 07: 33
    The ocean has a master, Neptune is his name. And this riffraff, when he gets tired of it, he ends up himself, which he repeatedly showed.
    1. -3
      30 October 2021 08: 02
      Quote: Ros 56
      The ocean has a master, Neptune is his name. And this riffraff, when he gets tired of it, he ends up himself, which he repeatedly showed.

      Well, they also say: “Trust in God, but don’t make a mistake yourself”! Thank you, Roman! Honestly and openly. And, nevertheless, I believe that the Russian fleet will continue to develop. And this fleet will be with a capital letter!
      1. -9
        30 October 2021 08: 32
        Quote: Egoza
        And, nevertheless, I believe that the Russian fleet will continue to develop.

        In the meantime, what we have:


        http://russianships.info/today/
        1. +13
          30 October 2021 08: 41
          The graphics are very so-so.

          For example 956 - Fast is alive, Stormy has stopped repairs, Fearless has already been dragged away for cutting.
          MCSAPL - Samara and Bratsk undergoing long-term repairs in the North. The sperm whale generally sucks. Only Kuzbass is in service.
          1. -11
            30 October 2021 08: 43
            Quote: donavi49
            The graphics are very so-so.

            Do you think a potential enemy is doing better? laughing
            1. +20
              30 October 2021 08: 59
              Better. Especially where I wrote:

              2014 - crossing of Samara and Bratsk on a Dutch freighter.

              Cheerful acceptance statement - Submarines Bratsk and Samara will undergo a complete modernization at the shipyard in Severodvinsk on July 11, 2014.

              Now Samara will return for 23 years, and Bratsk may even return to India. Fresh Virginia Americans rivet for 4 years.
              Delaware April 2016 - April 2020 already in the navy

              Vermont even squeezed out of 4 years - February 17 - April 17, 2020.

              Stormy 1987 release. Began to be repaired 2007 - 15 stopped, 16 continued, at 18 they gave more money, in the fall of 2020 they closed the shop and sent to the morgue.

              Fearless 1989 release. 99 for repairs, at 14 they suspended, at 16 they continued, at 18 they gave additional funding to the plant, in 19 they closed the shop and sent to the morgue.

              An important one was launched in 94 (laid down in 87) - completed for China by 99. In 2017, it was delivered for a comprehensive overhaul with modernization - replacing radars, combat posts, increasing electricity generation, replacing a girder air defense system with a Shtil air control center, replacing Mosquitoes with Chinese supersonic missiles, installing an additional MD air defense system, replacing old TA with Chinese small-sized ones for Chinese MK46. In 2020, it was commissioned after renovation.

              Similar work on Thoughtful took less than 2 years.
              1. +8
                30 October 2021 12: 16
                Quote: donavi49
                completed for China by 99. In 2017, it was delivered for a comprehensive repair with modernization

                So the whales, among other things, transferred it from fuel oil to diesel fuel. The car runs - without smoke and steam - overtaking the youth!
                This is what the state approach to what the people gave you to protect it means. And here ... It is necessary to judge for this, with the confiscation of property and deprivation of office!
                And thanks for the analysis. Clear and to the point. good
                1. -1
                  30 October 2021 16: 39
                  transferred from fuel oil to diesel fuel
                  fuel oil, as it were, is also diesel fuel. Usually diesel fuel (light fuel) for shunting modes, fuel oil (heavy) for running. Moreover, the same engine runs on the same fuel as the second one. In civilian life, at least. And the smoke from a diesel engine when running on fuel oil is somehow not very much. If the boilers are on fuel oil, then yes, then if there is incomplete combustion, then of course there is a lot of smoke.
              2. +1
                30 October 2021 12: 51
                You can scold me, but I think that it would be more expedient to use the available funds not for the repair of old ships, but for the construction of new ones.
  7. +10
    30 October 2021 08: 07
    Very correct article!
    And it is right that such an article was published on the Day of the founding of the Russian Navy.
    It's high time to take off your rose-colored glasses and stop preparing hats for the upcoming war at sea. Unfortunately, Russia does not have a military fleet in the Pacific Ocean, and it will not appear in the near future.
    1. -12
      30 October 2021 10: 14
      every week on this site there are articles about how the Japanese throw hats at us, and a commentator always appears who writes that it's time to take off your rose-colored glasses and stop preparing hats
      in the usa, china and japan, the authors write about the total number of ships built, in Russia, only those built for the Pacific Fleet are indicated
      in the usa, china and japan, the authors write about the total number of ships, not taking into account that some of them are under repair, while in Russia they indicate only those in service, taking away those under repair
      for the Japanese, two Boreis are quite enough
      1. +15
        30 October 2021 10: 20
        Quote: Janerobot
        for the Japanese, two Boreis are quite enough

        Sorry I can't comment on nonsense ...
        1. -17
          30 October 2021 10: 55
          Quote: Bez 310
          Sorry I can't comment on nonsense ...

          Yes. You can get by with one. Well, or let's say we limit ourselves to a couple of ten Calibers with special warheads at key points. No one will stand on ceremony with Japan and no one will intercede for the poor thing. And all this mighty Japanese armada, if it does survive, all these helicopter-aircraft carriers will simply have nowhere to be based
          1. +14
            30 October 2021 11: 10
            Quote: Winnie76
            Well, or let's say we limit ourselves to a couple of ten Calibers with special warheads at key points.

            Sorry I can't comment on nonsense ...
            1. -15
              30 October 2021 11: 11
              And write? Lots of arguments?
              1. +13
                30 October 2021 11: 16
                Quote: Winnie76
                Lots of arguments?

                Mute ...
                1. -18
                  30 October 2021 11: 16
                  Understand. Draining included
                  1. +12
                    30 October 2021 14: 10
                    What did you want? What are the arguments?
                    There can be arguments if there is NO fleet (namely, the fleet) in the Far East.
                    And the fact that there is from the surface forces and the consolidated division will not pull.
                    Or only it will pull.
                    Not even the flotilla.

                    It is necessary to tie with caps.
                    Especially with pink ones.
                    1. -9
                      30 October 2021 14: 20
                      Quote: bayard
                      What did you want? What are the arguments?
                      There can be arguments if there is NO fleet (namely, the fleet) in the Far East.
                      And the fact that there is from the surface forces and the consolidated division will not pull.
                      Or only it will pull.
                      Not even the flotilla.

                      There is a fleet. It is certainly not enough to butt the "self-defense forces", but no one will deal with this nonsense. In the event of the slightest aggression against the Russian Federation and, say, the seizure of the islands, Japan will be drowned entirely. And in this case, the aggressor in the eyes of the "world community" will be precisely Japan
                      1. +9
                        30 October 2021 14: 50
                        Quote: Winnie76
                        In the event of the slightest aggression against the Russian Federation and, say, the seizure of the islands, Japan will be drowned entirely.

                        smile Handsomely .
                        And who will give the order?
                        Drown?
                        With American bases and civilians?
                        Quote: Winnie76
                        And in this case, the aggressor in the eyes of the "world community" will be precisely Japan

                        You are wrong. For the entire "world community" these islands are either controversial or recognized as Japanese.
                        NATO countries, for example, are united in their opinion. Yes For them, the islands are Japanese.
                        And who, in this case, will be the Russian Federation, which is drowning entire archipelagos with population?
                        Don't you guess?
                        And they have already questioned all their members on the subject "How do you see the US launching a sudden preemptive strike against Russia?" ...
                        Nuclear strike.
                        Disarming and general.
                        And all the members of this friendly military alliance happily SUPPORTED this prospect.
                        And you offer them such a reason.
                        If you strike nuclear weapons at Japan, then you must immediately strike at the United States as well - preemptively and anticipating a strike from them.
                        And across England.
                        And across France. which also VERY enthusiastically received the news of this intention of the United States.
                        Ready ?
                        And the RF has already given a reason (by its WEAKNESS).
                        Both Japan and the United States.

                        And you are all about bonnets ...
                      2. -2
                        1 November 2021 00: 26
                        Quote: bayard
                        And who will give the order?
                        Drown?
                        With American bases and civilians?

                        Americans will be given time to collect money. They fled from the Taliban - their heels were sparkling, and here a serious cut is outlined
                        Quote: bayard
                        NATO countries, for example, are united in their opinion. For them, the islands are Japanese.

                        In words, they can consider anything, but in fact, the territory is under the control of the Russian Federation and everyone understands this. If Japan fires the first shot, captures the islands, we cannot perceive it otherwise as aggression. It will not be possible to release the brakes. In terms of its potential, Japan is far from Georgia, conventionally strangling it is problematic. So hello nuclear conflict.
                        Quote: bayard
                        And they have already questioned all their members on the subject "How do you see the US launching a sudden preemptive strike against Russia?" ...
                        Nuclear strike.
                        Disarming and general.
                        And all the members of this friendly military alliance happily SUPPORTED this prospect.
                        And you offer them such a reason.

                        If states could do it with impunity, they wouldn't need an excuse. Rather, they understand that winning something will definitely not work, and loving everything is easy
                        Quote: bayard
                        If you strike nuclear weapons at Japan, then you must immediately strike at the United States as well - preemptively and anticipating a strike from them.
                        And across England.
                        And across France. which also VERY enthusiastically received the news of this intention of the United States.
                        Ready ?

                        How do you not understand. Nobody, ever, in this world will fit in for the Japanese. Erdogan recently shot down a Su-24 over his territory. Frightened, I ran to seek support from NATO. And there he was told - "he knocked down - he himself with the Russians and deal with it." And Sahak was told the same thing. And any other NATO member will be told the same.
                        Quote: bayard
                        And the RF has already given a reason (by its WEAKNESS).
                        Both Japan and the United States.

                        First, you will compare the total budget of NATO + Japan and the Russian Federation. And then we will talk about our weakness. The leadership understands that a potential war over the islands will be nuclear. The Japanese understand this too. Therefore, the number of pennants does not play a decisive role.
                      3. 0
                        1 November 2021 10: 14
                        Quote: Winnie76
                        Americans will be given time to collect money. They fled from the Taliban - their heels were sparkling, and here a serious cut is outlined

                        They have long wanted to leave Afghanistan. And they left. And who has a problem with that now? Who is spending and losing? Bribes and goes to unprofitable alliances?
                        And how do you imagine "will be given to collect money"?
                        For example, taking advantage of the distraction of the Russian Federation by the war in the Donbass and problems on the borders with Afghanistan, Japan seizes the islands with a swift throw. Russian garrisons have been destroyed or are fighting in encirclement, the Japanese flag is raised over the islands, the USA, England, Canada and Australia immediately recognize the islands as Japanese by right ... Later, Germany, France and other trifles join them ...
                        And the Russian Federation is just beginning to prepare a response - it is transferring aviation from the western direction, announcing mobilization ... The fleet is not request , over the Sea of ​​Japan and the South Kuriles are dominated by Japanese aviation under the control of AWACS aircraft "Hokai" ...

                        And?
                        What actions of Russia do you envision?
                        If the islands are ALREADY recognized by Japan's leading Western countries and ALL Japan's allies?
                        Nuclear strikes on Tokyo and Nagasaki?
                        Or will you start to "glass" the actual disputed islands?
                        Note - in any case, Russia will be recognized as the aggressor. And it will not work to recapture the islands by amphibious assault forces - the Japanese fleet dominates the sea, their aviation dominates in the sky. And the naval forces of their allies are starting to pull into the region ...
                        And now what i can do ?
                        Glass?
                        Drown?
                        Only Japan?
                        And if all, then ammunition is enough?
                        Under the framework agreements, we have very few nuclear warheads on strategic carriers, there are no medium-range carriers (except for the "Dagger", which is in trial operation ...
                        TNW?
                        And the carriers?
                        "Iskander" is a short arm ...
                        "Calibers"?
                        So this is a subsonic cruise missile, and with the help of AWACS aircraft, Japanese fighter aircraft can easily deal with them.
                        CD from the Tu-95 and Tu-160?
                        So they are also subsonic.
                        "Daggers"? Which are experienced and which are few?
                        With YABCh?
                        What next ?
                        And then - ANSWER. Which it would be better to pre-empt.
                        Proactively.
                        ... Well, or wipe it off.

                        Was there an alternative?
                        It was.
                        Only everything needs to be done on time.
                        And to build the Fleet, and to revive the Aviation, the airfield infrastructure.
                        MAPL should be repaired on time and, if possible, modernized. Shipyards stood without orders, faulty MAPLs and SSGNs were rotting in sludge, and our "unique strategic advantage" collected all budget surplus in "Kubyshka" and burned it down there by devaluation ...
                        Why
                        Lacked MIND?
                        Or is this the QUALITY of the mind?
                        Why, with an acute shortage of fighter aircraft in many directions in the Russian Federation, "suddenly" purchases of fighter aircraft are curtailed?
                        Why, despite the acute need for AWACS aircraft, we have not only not created (even forgotten) A-100 "Premier", but also the modernization of the Soviet A-50 to A-50U has long been discontinued?
                        Why, in fact, is sabotage of the construction of the Il-76MD90A and Il-78MD90A, which is so necessary in the troops, on its base?
                        Can't you?
                        TEN YEARS ?
                        Or is this "Party Politics"?

                        Why, despite the fact that the United States withdrew from the INF Treaty so many years ago, has not this segment of nuclear deterrent weapons been recreated in the Russian Federation?
                        Or do we have all the enemies only overseas?

                        And answer rightly in your heart, the leadership that made SUCH failures and persists in its stupidity ... who are they?
                        In relation to the population? To the citizens of Russia?
                        Quote: Winnie76
                        First, you will compare the total budget of NATO + Japan and the Russian Federation. And then we will talk about our weakness.

                        Or maybe we will measure each other with Cubes?
                        Where is our "Kubyshka" stored?
                        Created in debt to enemies.
                        Dereversion to various enemies.
                        "There is no hay in the heaps, not money in debt," says one old Russian proverb.
                        This is HOW it is possible to "confront on the international arena" our "primordial sworn partners" and at the same time invest their economy at astronomical sums?
                        How can you put up in your right mind with the offshore registration of your own economy? Is it so that it would be more convenient for effective owners to withdraw income from taxes? And the pension savings stolen from the People from the "Non-state pension funds" previously advertised by the Guarantor?

                        And do you think that these "patriots", "chosen ones" and other effective bureaucratic people ... will lay their bones for Mother Russia and her Kuril Islands?

                        If the elite has all the capital, real estate, families, children, live and are on the territory of the enemy, then "it is not yet known whose" ellite "it is." So said one angry Pole in the service of the US government.
                    2. +4
                      30 October 2021 18: 37
                      And those about a dozen Il-38 and Tu-142 based in Kamenny Ruchey (the level of the early 80s at best) should not be taken into account at all as absolutely outdated and unsuitable for dealing with modern submarines on water jets and with hulls made of non-magnetic become ?
                      Should neither we nor our opponents take this into account? On the Northern Fleet in Kipelovo it is similar. At the Baltic Fleet and the Black Sea Fleet, there is no PLO aircraft at all. Only seaplanes and helicopters are 35-40 years old. There are no new ones and there will never be.
                      1. +6
                        30 October 2021 20: 33
                        Quote: Osipov9391
                        And those about a dozen Il-38 and Tu-142 based in Kamenny Ruchey (the level of the early 80s at best) should not be taken into account at all as absolutely outdated and unsuitable for dealing with modern submarines

                        Today they are suitable only as patrol aircraft and air reconnaissance and target designation aircraft ... In military conditions, it may be enough for one time.
                        This is amazing, but the modern government of the Russian Federation is not at all concerned about this (the absence of PLO aircraft with acceptable characteristics). Nothing is heard about the developments, about the issued terms of reference. And the monopolist in such matters "Vega" generally failed all projects - both on the A-100, and on the modernization of the Il-38 ... and on all other special aviation aircraft.
                        Are they even preparing the country for war?
                        Or are they evacuated to warm islands at the first threat?
                        To burn such funds of the military budget and not to give out on the mountain anything combat-ready and urgently needed ... this had to be done very hard.
                        And they try.

                        ... "They are building" two UDCs in Kerch - helicopter carriers ... but the industry does NOT have sea helicopters! What will be planted on the deck? Old Soviet scrap metal? According to the age .

                        All this resembles a bad spectacle turning into a farce.
                      2. +3
                        30 October 2021 23: 52
                        Yes, I don’t think about anything. And everywhere so that either head in the sand, or aggravate the problem. Do you think Shoigu fought corruption, for example, in the military enlistment office system?
                        No, he further exacerbated this problem by issuing an order to issue so-called "draft evader certificates" instead of military ID cards to those who were recognized as healthy but did not serve.
                        And if the military registration and enlistment office has lost the personal file of the conscript or the draft board for some reason could not make a decision on conscription until the age of 27, now instead of a military ID a certificate is issued with the wording "did not serve without legal grounds."
                        That is, if it is really the fault of the military enlistment office or the draft / medical commission, the young man did not complete the service, then he is made guilty.
                        But they call the amounts that need to be brought in order to issue a military ID.
                        And people carry money because with this certificate it is not realistic to get an official job.
                        This order of the Ministry of Defense directly contradicts the Constitution and the Code of Criminal Procedure, since evasion is a crime, then ONLY a court and not a military registration and enlistment office or a draft board can find a person guilty.
                        Theater of the absurd and nothing more!
                        In Chechnya and the republics of the Caucasus (there the conscription was not carried out at all or was severely limited), many began to receive such certificates and flooded the courts with complaints.
                      3. -2
                        31 October 2021 18: 07
                        and the conscript is working out for you, he wants to serve but does not know where the military enlistment office is,
                        no one accuses him, he just gets a certificate with the wording "he did not serve without legal grounds" (he did not serve), the court will already blame him if there is corpus delicti,
                        yes, and there are not many dodgers right now
                      4. +3
                        1 November 2021 04: 06
                        IL-38 at the Pacific Fleet, even for practicing PLO missions, has recently not been flying with a hoist - they are laying mines from the air.
                        No longer fit for anything.
                      5. 0
                        1 November 2021 10: 23
                        Well, at least they are still suitable for this ...
                        And about new PLO aircraft, even about the terms of reference for the development of such ... there are not even rumors.
                        About a monster of a terrible kind at the Il-114 base, I am modestly silent, for ... because.
                      6. -4
                        31 October 2021 18: 01
                        earlier as then they discovered pl
                      7. +1
                        31 October 2021 23: 31
                        Did they find out?
                        Whom?
                        What?
                        A magnetometer?
                        Or deaf buoys?
                        The composition of the equipment is at the level of the 60s of the last century for both the Il-38 and the Tu-142. So I’m no use to them except as from patrolmen and reconnaissance aircraft and target designation of surface targets. Finding a modern submarine ... unless by accident, or if you're very lucky.
                        And it's not a joke .
                      8. +2
                        1 November 2021 00: 07
                        That is, apart from patrolling the coastal economic zone and what kind of a one-time reconnaissance, these "dinosaurs" are no longer suitable for anything, to put it bluntly?
                        Well, to find a Virginia going deep in the ocean or even a newly built Japanese non-nuclear submarine is actually not serious?
                        And where the enemy fighter aircraft dominates in the sky.
                        And how to understand that the fleet does not even have new helicopters for transporting command personnel?
                        Well, the same Ka-32A11BC. Is it stupidity or incompetence? Or greed?
                        And the ekranoplanes did not wait for the fleet. The only new Be-200 seaplane crashed in Turkey.
                        Although they could already produce the A-40/42. But this is already beyond what is possible or desired.
                        The main attack aircraft of the fleet ... it's still the Su-24M!
                        At the Pacific Fleet there is not even such a one !!!
                      9. 0
                        1 November 2021 10: 26
                        Apparently the "native" government has some kind of completely perpendicular plans for our future.
                        And combat-ready Armed Forces in this "future" ... are not provided.
                      10. 0
                        1 November 2021 12: 53
                        And the problem with flight personnel will get worse. We are now judging the pilot for the downed Su-30M2 last year. The MO filed a lawsuit against them for more than a billion rubles.
                        Will probably be busted for the rest of his life.
                        The people are fleeing from the unit for this. Nobody wants to risk that.
                      11. 0
                        1 November 2021 20: 40
                        I remember that case, was it really such a lawsuit that was thrown?
                        If only technicians were punished ... who were stripped of their officer ranks and who knows where they prepare ...
                        So the authorities don't need the Army.
                        Not to mention the Fleet.
                        So her legitimacy ... has disappeared.
                      12. +1
                        1 November 2021 23: 50
                        Yes, the lawsuit was rolled up and the case is in court. After the aircraft was removed from the duty unit, the gun was not unloaded by the ASP technicians.
                        The plane switched to training flights. The pilot took the car like this with a loaded cannon.
                        And set the main switch on the OMS board in the ON position.
                        A blatant series of non-fulfillment of their official duties by a number of servicemen.
                        The lawsuit was filed in the Tverskoy garrison court. And the pilot (major, 34 years old) has a sick wife and two children, as his colleague told me.
                        He is not only accused of this, his uncles with a shield and swords on their shoulder straps are still undermining the combat capability of the unit and moral damage.
                        It can be jail, or being stripped of rank / awards, and paying for the rest of your life. Then the debt will be inherited by children and grandchildren.
                        The people flee from the unit after this.
                        Nobody will fight. If you lose or damage a government fighter in the war and survive, there will be a trial. Did the pilot do everything right?
                        If not, the situation described above.
                      13. 0
                        2 November 2021 08: 28
                        It's sad ... Well, the pilots are a sniper - from the first stage they hit the target ...
                        But Shoige and the Supreme Commander do not seem to need good pilots or combat-ready Armed Forces ... Parades and PR.
                      14. 0
                        2 November 2021 15: 11
                        This pilot has only two ways - to file a petition in bankruptcy of an individual, or quietly go abroad with his family. Which Indonesia or Malaysia. Tear off with the hands of such a specialist. And they will still fight. They know the value of military pilots.
                        And he will not need anything.
                        Many even (of those who quit / retired) went to civilian airlines. Some to China, some to Qatar, some where.
                        They don't complain about anything, they live like kings. We don't even have generals living like ordinary pilots. Because they know the price.
                      15. 0
                        1 November 2021 08: 57
                        and you have data that you did not find and you think that people in Soviet times were all fools
                      16. 0
                        1 November 2021 10: 44
                        I myself am from Soviet Time, but even in the 80s of the last century, these PLO aircraft had outdated equipment, imperfect buoys and detection methods. And they were significantly inferior in their capabilities to similar enemy aircraft.
                        But then the gap in our and their combat capabilities was not yet so ... overwhelming.
                        Now it's just ... Cold War artifacts.
                        But new, very promising methods of detecting a submarine going under water were developed, using radar with a circular view - by the "ring effect", or by the water hump by the radar method. Experiments and exercises were carried out, submarines were detected easily and at a great distance ... The topic was closed.
                        More Gorbachev.
                        Today, the United States and its allies are using this method with might and main, for us this topic is still banned.
                        And NO work is being done on the subject of the PLO aircraft.
                        GENERALLY .
                        The Russian authorities are completely indifferent to the Anti-Submarine Defense ... I would even say - AGGRESSIVELY indifferent.
                      17. -1
                        1 November 2021 11: 15
                        inferior to planes, but they had to fight against enemy submarines and not planes
                        but since those times they have remained practically the same, there are no revolutionary changes
                        why then are the IL-38 modernized if it is indifferent, and why the authorities of the Russian Federation are completely indifferent to the Anti-Submarine Defense ...
                      18. 0
                        1 November 2021 17: 38
                        Quote: Janerobot
                        why then are the IL-38 modernized if it doesn’t matter

                        They are not being upgraded. Vega again failed the project.
                      19. -3
                        1 November 2021 18: 00
                        that is, Vega does not want, but not power
                      20. +1
                        1 November 2021 21: 22
                        And what does the government want?
                        If state corporations and state-owned enterprises "DO NOT WANT"?
                        Or do these enterprises comply with the instructions of the authorities?
                        After all, we do not observe repressions against these scoundrels.
                      21. 0
                        2 November 2021 00: 06
                        Everything there is ruled by Serdyukov and Chemezov. They swallowed everything up. Now Serdyukov destroys aviation design bureaus and LII them. Gromova. Land in Moscow and the Moscow region you know how much it costs.
                        And everything else is the tenth thing for them.
                        And Serdyukov also sends his directors, managers, etc. to factories and design bureaus.
                        Often, girls in short skirts with purchased diplomas teach gray-haired designers and testers how to live properly and what to spend budget money on.
                        This was not observed even in the 90s.
                      22. 0
                        2 November 2021 08: 37
                        Quote: Osipov9391
                        Everything there is ruled by Serdyukov and Chemezov.

                        Quote: Osipov9391
                        And Serdyukov also sends his directors, managers, etc. to factories and design bureaus.
                        Often girls in short skirts with purchased diplomas

                        laughing Well, here is Serdyukov in his role.
                        Long-legged girls in short skirts are his method and weakness.
                        So the Country is being prepared for surrender.
                      23. 0
                        1 November 2021 17: 55
                        It is also worth paying attention to the fact that the Marine Corps is not only criminally small in number (below 15 thousand bayonets), but also not properly built! There is practically none on Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands.
                        There is little of it in the Krasnodar Territory (there Georgia and Turkey can threaten), and there is little of it in the Crimea.
                        This is all minuscule.
                        But these riot police, the National Guard, are regularly enlarged and equipped.
                      24. 0
                        1 November 2021 21: 24
                        This is the mainstay of power.
                        Her enemy is not outside.
                      25. 0
                        2 November 2021 00: 01
                        According to the initiates, the official numbers of the Land Forces, the MP and the Airborne Forces are greatly overestimated.
                        God grant that the Ground Forces have accumulated 150 thousand bayonets. Everything else is auxiliary, engineering, training and other parts. They just do / provide / support something.
                        And in reality, there are no more than 150 thousand combat troops. The same applies to the Airborne Forces and the MP. There are no more than 30 thousand bayonets in total.
                        Less than 200 thousand bayonets. Most of them are still conscripts with a one-year service life. Yesterday's schoolchildren as a rule ...
                        With such an amount (provided that we expose all borders and territory), even the North-West direction can hardly be shut up. Well, what kind of Poland or Finland to fight off at once.
                        You yourself know about the Far East. It's just an emergency.
                        Well, even if we take these police structures loved by the authorities, then there really are those who hold weapons at half the best case. The rest only provide / support / prepare something.
                        So there won't be 400 thousand bayonets for the whole country. But Rosgvardia needs to protect nuclear power plants and other important facilities from sabotage and terrorist encroachments.
                        And there are not enough people there either. Forced to attract various private security companies for a contract even. Where there are no weapons or anything.
                      26. 0
                        2 November 2021 08: 32
                        But recently, various PMCs have flourished. But it is more for the promotion and safety of the business.
                      27. 0
                        2 November 2021 18: 03
                        Do you want some more humor?
                        There were times when Pasha Grachev said that by 2000 the Army in the Russian Federation would be fully contractual.
                        This time has passed.
                        Philologist Ivanov said that we would gradually reduce the service life to a year and by 2010 the Russian Army would be fully contractual.
                        That time has passed.
                        Our beloved Serdyukov said that by 2015, after reducing the service life of one year, the Russian Army will be fully contractual and professional. There will be no warrant officers / warrant officers, but there will be professional sergeants with 3 years of training.
                        That time has passed.
                        Then Shoigu said ... he said that in spite of the movement towards the professional Army of the Russian Federation, the appeal is preserved and will continue.
                        At least he did not scatter empty statements in this regard like his predecessors.
                        And the Ground Forces will continue to rely on conscripts of whom there will be fewer and fewer with each call.
                      28. 0
                        2 November 2021 18: 46
                        Without conscription, you cannot prepare a reserve.
                        It's just that a specialist cannot be trained in a year. The technique is more complicated every year, and there is no one to serve on it.
                        The Army was normal when it served 3 years, and in the Navy - 5 years.
                        Already 2 years were barely enough to train a specialist.
                      29. 0
                        2 November 2021 23: 52
                        So it turns out that all the heads of the military department for 20 years have misled the country and the Army by making such statements that by that year the Army will be fully contractual and professional with 100% combat readiness.
                        Although many even then laughed at such statements.
                      30. 0
                        3 November 2021 09: 50
                        What was demanded of them, they voiced. Isn't this heresy out of my own head?
                        On the other hand, a two-stage service system can ensure both the preparation of the reserve and the availability of a sufficient number of well-trained specialists. Where they serve on conscription for a year (preferably two), and complex equipment is operated by specialists serving for 5 years under a contract.
                        Something like this is happening today, so there is a reserve.
                      31. 0
                        3 November 2021 13: 02
                        And all of these Pasha Grachevs and the like from the galaxy of traitors? Was it naive to expect improvements from them? And they all kept repeating about international terrorism as the main threat to the country and the world.
                        Presidents of the commercials adhered to these same views until 2016-17. Maybe a little earlier.
                      32. 0
                        3 November 2021 13: 22
                        Quote: Osipov9391
                        And all these Pasha Grachevs and the like from the galaxy of traitors?

                        Aliens were not put in such positions. There, since 1991, everything is of the same constellation.
                      33. 0
                        3 November 2021 17: 46
                        And if we compare such countries as the USA, Great Britain, Japan, Australia, then there is no conscription to the Armed Forces in these countries. Although the first two have very large and well-equipped ground forces.
                        But almost all of these are scattered around the bases around the world, they are not kept on their own territory.
                        Is that all right? Because there are no bridgeheads for a land invasion of their territory?
                        That the USA, that England. The Firsts have friendly Canada from the north, little Mexico from the south. On the sides are oceans.
                        And Britain is generally an island. Almost all of its land units are located in colonies around the world.
                        Probably so right.
                      34. 0
                        3 November 2021 19: 06
                        The United States abandoned the conscription army after the Vietnam War. The anti-war movements and the painful reaction of society to the deaths of young conscripts have become painfully dear to them.
                        It's easier with mercenaries.
                        So we are counting on mercenaries more and more. And not so much in the Armed Forces as in the Russian Guard and various PMCs.
                      35. -1
                        2 November 2021 11: 36
                        According to the initiates, the official numbers of the Land Forces are greatly overestimated all over the world - the rest is auxiliary, engineering, training and other units. They just do / provide / support something.
                        most of them are contract soldiers and officers
                      36. -1
                        2 November 2021 11: 33
                        riot police and the Rosguard are currently the most belligerent units, and the Rosguard includes such a civil organization as the Federal State Unitary Enterprise Security (one third of the Rosguard) - many pensioners work there
                        marines elite - there is never too much of it
                    3. -3
                      31 October 2021 18: 09
                      so you throw in caps (especially pink ones), and offer us to tie with caps, where is the logical chain
              2. +2
                1 November 2021 04: 05
                You count the Amenrican troops in Japan. Will you cover them with nuclear weapons too? And if it arrives in response?
                1. -2
                  1 November 2021 09: 05
                  if the Japanese attacked your country, kill your citizens, smash, according to you, the Russian army to a depth of 10000 km, what obstacles can there be for delivering nuclear strikes against the Japanese
                  how can he fly in response if the country has already been attacked and smashed with hats by our armed forces
                  ps. minus as usual, but also try to answer somehow reasonably, if you have something to answer
                  1. 0
                    1 November 2021 10: 47
                    Quote: Janerobot
                    if the Japanese

                    Quote: Janerobot
                    smash the Russian army to a depth of 10000 km,

                    Well what can I say? request
                    Only to a doctor.

                    Quote: Janerobot
                    the country has already been attacked and smashed with hats by our armed forces

                    what
                    bully
                    1. 0
                      1 November 2021 11: 11
                      to the doctor, but not to me, I just quoted one of the commentators who wrote that the Japanese with their hats would easily take out the entire Russian army
          2. +6
            30 October 2021 13: 14
            Quote: Winnie76
            No one will stand on ceremony with Japan and no one will intercede for the poor thing.

            wassat fool
            For more than half a century, Japan and the United States have been operating the "Treaty on Mutual Cooperation and Security Assurances." Under this treaty, the United States is obliged to cooperate with the Japan Self-Defense Forces in maritime safety, assist in ballistic missile defense, assist in securing air borders, coordinate domestic air traffic, secure communications, and participate in disaster relief.

            The Japanese islands have 8 large bases, more than 80 US defense facilities, and about 90 US military personnel, civilian specialists and their families. Any large-scale attack on Japan will inevitably affect American military installations and will mean war with the United States.
            1. -9
              30 October 2021 13: 50
              Quote: zyablik.olga
              For more than half a century, Japan and the United States have been operating the "Treaty on Mutual Cooperation and Security Assurances." Under this treaty, the United States is obliged to cooperate with the Japan Self-Defense Forces.

              So this changes everything. We know very well that the states strictly abide by all the treaties, tell the Afghans about the security guarantees, who were on the planes or the Kurds. Or the Turks when they shot down the Su-24. This is fresh
              Quote: zyablik.olga
              The Japanese islands have 8 large bases, more than 80 US defense facilities, and about 90 US military personnel, civilian specialists and their families. Any large-scale attack on Japan will inevitably affect American military installations and will mean war with the United States.

              No one is proposing to strike the first blow. But if the Japanese decide on their samurai reasons to squeeze the islands - Russia will answer and will not seem a little. I suppose at first it will be an ultimatum to clear the area within two days. During this time, the American military will have time to quickly screw into a safe place. A week later, a demonstration detonation of yadrenbaton somewhere on a deserted island. Another pause. If you don't get it, you can work with calibers at military bases. If even after that it didn’t come to sink Japan entirely. And the Americans will wear themselves out as usual
              1. 0
                30 October 2021 15: 22
                If even after that it didn’t come to sink Japan entirely


                For some reason, fleet lovers forget one thing - Hitler absolutely did not need a fleet to conquer Europe and Africa. And if he hadn't pounced on the USSR, then the mighty mistress of the seas would have sat alone on her hummock. And all of Europe from the Bay of Biscay to Turkey would shout "Heil" and work hard to build a bridge across Gibraltar.
                In modern wars, the size of your land is important, not the sea. You can't talk to the sea forever.
                1. -2
                  30 October 2021 17: 14
                  Hitler's fleet fought with Great Britain and in the Atlantic the same with our ships and submarines, but the main and powerful blow was delivered by ground forces at us.
                2. +3
                  1 November 2021 04: 08
                  In modern wars, the size of your land is important, not the sea. You can't talk to the sea forever.

                  On June 6, 1944, this was clearly demonstrated

                  And now the USA has this option - https://topwar.ru/188141-mirovaja-vojna-2030-hk-chemu-nam-gotovitsja-i-kakoj-budet-rol-vmf.html

                  also the size of the sushi will save?
              2. -2
                30 October 2021 15: 37
                Quote: Winnie76
                If you don't get it, you can work with calibers at military bases.

                It is much more effective at nuclear power plants. In terms of understanding by the inhabitants of Japan of the entire scale of what is happening
              3. +2
                30 October 2021 23: 04
                I advise you to come here and get acquainted with the US nuclear strategy
                https://dod.defense.gov/News/SpecialReports/2018NuclearPostureReview.aspx
                There is also a concise summary in Russian.
                And your plan for a nuclear strike against Japan is already described there, as well as measures to counter it. Low-power SLBMs are already in service and on alert with the Americans.
                1. 0
                  31 October 2021 14: 35
                  Japan does not have SLBMs with warheads - only the United States has them, and if they use them against Russia, Russia will have the authority to destroy all US military installations in the Pacific region. The United States will not do this - for the sake of Japan and they do not care about it as well as all their buffer mongrels that they send to the attack.
                  1. +1
                    31 October 2021 14: 41
                    In order to do this, I gave a link to an official document from the Pentagon's website - when and how they planned to use nuclear weapons in such situations as described.
                    And their real views on this issue are very different from what they write here.
        2. -2
          30 October 2021 13: 40
          Well, I can only call your writing nonsense, it is more difficult to deny facts
      2. -6
        30 October 2021 12: 46
        Quote: Janerobot
        for the Japanese, two Boreis are quite enough
        Poor Japanese ... crying
        But BOREI will not deal with them. They are prepared for the States in terms of range. But others - will attend ... (that's for sure!)
        For example, the same BELGOROD (PLA SN pr. 09852, the carrier of nuclear missile launchers "Poseidon"), may well seriously upset the Japans. At least, the Chinese comrades seriously declare that Japan "will simply be washed into the ocean." I guess they are not far from the truth. Once you started a war, you deliberately put yourself OUTSIDE THE LAW, so you shouldn't count on the Japanese for leniency in this case.
        (As the character of Anatoly Papanov said: "Do not worry Gesha! I will beat carefully, but hard!")
        1. +4
          30 October 2021 14: 44
          non-existent poseid? which, if built, then in a single copy? which if the carrier does not sink and is released and it swims, then explodes and makes a column of radioactive water? all threats are a threat
          1. -5
            30 October 2021 15: 17
            Quote: Spring Fluff
            non-existent poseid? which, if built, then in a single copy? which if the carrier does not sink and is released and it swims, then explodes and makes a column of radioactive water? all threats are a threat

            Dear! You at least occasionally, besides "Murzilka" and crosswords, read something else ...
            Under the CANYON / Status-6 program, it is planned to build 4 carriers and 32 Poseidons have already been ordered.
            At the expense of water and steam - this is in ZhKO, to plumbers, plumbers. And read about the combat use of UFOs in the magazine "VM", in my opinion for 2020. Excuse me, to convince the ignorant is not part of my plans.
            hi
            1. +4
              30 October 2021 16: 30
              "are you planning to build" as many as "4 carriers"? not a single one yet. tests of not even the first, but just an experimental Belgorod, are still underway.
              How will they leave the base when (if) they are built?
              32 Poseidons that exist in an unknown project ordered? how can you seriously talk about the threat of something that does not exist?
          2. -4
            30 October 2021 17: 19
            The Japanese military prototypes will be enough to demolish, and a group of ships to the bottom will be able to send a warhead in the standard configuration of 2 Megatons, which is not enough.
            1. -1
              30 October 2021 18: 01
              Edition: Action of Nuclear Weapons. - Moscow: Military Publishing, 1965.
              Original: Glasstone S. The effects of nuclear weapons. - Washington: US Atomic Energy Commission, 1962.http: //militera.lib.ru/tw/sb_deystvie-atomnogo-oruzhiya/index.html
              pp. 298-300 problems for the height of waves in underwater explosions.
              at a power of 2 mt, the reduced depth of 25,8 m is achieved approximately at a depth of 200 m.The wave height at a distance of 1,6 km is 45 m, 3,2 km is -26 m, 6,4 km is 13,5 m, 11,2 km - 8,5 m.
              ten-point storm - 10 m. Fukushima was seized by a wave of 14-15 m, the destruction is not to say that terrible. it turns out one Poseidon can probably cause destruction as from a strong storm within a radius of 6 km.
              1. -1
                31 October 2021 01: 49
                And here is a wave - I'm talking about explosive power and the damage that Poseidon can inflict by triggering at the enemy's quay wall. Such a ground explosion within a radius of 50 kilometers will destroy the entire infrastructure.
                1. -1
                  31 October 2021 10: 31
                  Please write how you thought it
                  1. 0
                    31 October 2021 14: 37
                    What I counted - everything was calculated and even tested in practice for a long time before me.
            2. 0
              30 October 2021 18: 02
              it's more difficult with ships. they can move, the question is hovering.
        2. 0
          1 November 2021 04: 09
          It should be a shame for an adult to write this.
  8. -5
    30 October 2021 09: 22
    dear Roman, the destroyer is no more, does not go, so there is not a single destroyer left in the navy (sad congratulations on the day of the navy), but we are growing with Borei, this is our hope and support, so we are spreading Japan to the Japanese attempt to seize the primordially Russian Kuril Islands dust and forget that she was, ..... I think they will not stick out. and surface ships need to be transferred to Petropavlovsk, to protect the missile forces
    1. +3
      30 October 2021 13: 16
      SSBNs need to be transferred to the Eirinei Bay of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk! ... Railway and AUTO bridges need to be built on Sakhalin! ... An air base needs to be built on Matua! ... Infrastructure needs to be built for basing, repairing and building ships! ... we will decide collectively how to arrange the boats on the forum! ... good
      1. -1
        30 October 2021 13: 52
        Quote: Scharnhorst
        SSBNs need to be transferred to the Eirinei Bay of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk!

        let's discuss .... what are your reasons for your proposal ?. Petropavlovsk is closest to the places of SSBN combat positions, and it is close to the deep-sea area of ​​the ocean, where the nuclear submarine can hide ...
      2. -1
        30 October 2021 17: 20
        It is easier to put C 300 and C 400 divisions with Torahs and Carapaces on Matua.
    2. +4
      30 October 2021 14: 13
      Quote: vladimir1155
      and surface ships need to be transferred to Petropavlovsk, to protect the missile forces

      There is none of them .
      Ships.
      And what is left (it's a sin to talk about corvettes) is kept in the seaside in case of the southern Kuril Islands.
      1. -1
        30 October 2021 16: 54
        Quote: bayard
        And what is left (it's a sin to talk about corvettes) is kept in the seaside in case of the southern Kuriles

        just the southern Kuriles are more accessible from the ocean, and not through La Perouse in the event of an exacerbation, and they will also have the task of PLO around the bases of nuclear submarines, four five 1155 and 1164 are not so few
  9. ban
    +2
    30 October 2021 09: 24
    “A neighbor, involved in the elections, bought herself a jeep right after the elections. Chinese, but very beautiful and correct. Nl is not the point. When I look at this jeep, I always remember Putin. What a wise strategist he is! we and where was China 20 years ago! Well, sobsno ..... "
    1. -2
      30 October 2021 10: 17
      20 years ago, we had nothing to eat here in the village, we were divided into families, and now we can buy a jeep (Chinese or gas patriot)
      1. ban
        +1
        30 October 2021 13: 04
        There is nothing to eat in the village ?!
        Ali was drinking from morning to night good
        1. -1
          30 October 2021 13: 38
          yes in the village, well, you probably think that everything grows there in winter and summer, collect current and eat,
  10. 0
    30 October 2021 09: 29
    Grandpa doesn't need a fleet! He would have to lay another pipe and provide his friends with orders and not forget himself.
    1. +2
      30 October 2021 10: 15
      then why build ships if the fleet is not needed
      1. 0
        30 October 2021 14: 07
        It's just that the N-th number of ships is not yet given by the Fleet.
      2. +2
        30 October 2021 14: 19
        Are they being built?
        Or depict ebullient activity.
        Have you built a lot in 8 years?
        Ships?
        Not boats. Small missile.
        The entire leadership of the USC must be given to the tribunal in full.
        Military.
        For phenomenal success in sabotage.
        1. 0
          30 October 2021 16: 07
          have built many ships and are still building, it is somehow strange to deny the obvious
          1. +3
            30 October 2021 16: 42
            Quote: Janerobot
            built many ships

            A lot, how much is it?
            Ships.
            Combat.
            Not boats.
            And they did not build, but completed (I asked about the last 8 years) 5 frigates - two pr. 22350 and three pr. 11356 (export version) for the Black Sea.
            And that’s it.
            We also upgraded one BOD at the Pacific Fleet Project 1155 "Marshal Shaposhnikov".
            AND EVERYTHING.
            Even the (nuclear) cruiser "Admiral Nakhimov" has not been able to modernize until now.
            Quote: Janerobot
            and they are still building

            Well, yes, there are 8 more frigates under construction.
            But when will they be completed and become part of the Navy?
            What about the "Admiral Golovko", which will not come out to the test?
            With a new - domestic power plant?
            We have almost all Soviet-built (and post-Soviet) MAPLs and SSGNs without repair and modernization, and now many are waiting for write-off.
            So what has the USC equipped the Fleet with?
            What is the Navy to face the war with?

            ... What, "there will be no war"?
            But the United States conducted a survey of NATO member countries on how they feel about the idea of ​​inflicting a sudden preemptive strike on the Russian Federation.
            And all the participating countries happily supported such a wonderful idea.

            So how should the Navy fight?
            And what assessment does the leadership of our wonderful capitalist country deserve?
            Well done, really?
            1. -2
              30 October 2021 17: 23
              so there were no engines, you propose to build these frigates without engines (now they will finish building)
              why don't you take into account the corvettes, these are the same warships
              Ash and Borei are under construction
              after a sudden preemptive strike, a retaliatory strike will follow
              which fleets after a nuclear strike, most of the ships of all fleets are in bases, they will die there, and those who survive it is not clear where they will replenish ammunition, be repaired, etc.
              1. +3
                30 October 2021 18: 44
                And who is to blame for this?
                Why initially, when the shipbuilding program was made up, did not provide for the creation of its own cluster of marine engine building? Hoping for Ukraine?
                And what about the bells that can be thrown? That the power can change, was not it?
                Were !
                And there were those who insisted on this.
                But the universal grandmasters had no time for this ...
                So who's to blame?
                And if they counted, and not only on ship engines, but also on aircraft, and on steam turbines for nuclear power plants and nuclear icebreakers ... and a lot of other things in cooperation, then why did they yawn in 2014?
                After the fascist coup?
                On the contrary, did they immediately recognize the junta and its "chosen" vatazhka?
                Why did they not return the Russian lands and the Russian people to the bosom of a single Russian State?
                If "we are practically one people"?
                When the power of the fascists had not yet strengthened, and in Russia there was its legitimate president, asking for help against the fascists?
                Small intestine problems?
                When they tried to merge the popular uprising in Donbass, but such fierce resistance of the rebels did not allow everything to be merged by agreement?
                Then where is the promised import substitution?
                Why didn't you take the opportunity to order frigates 054A, adapted to your needs and weapons, in China?
                But they offered not only frigates, but also a UDC type. 071 - up to 20 frigates and up to 4 UDCs were proposed to be built as soon as possible.
                Was it so difficult to prepare a frigate modernization project to meet our needs?
                And after all, representatives of the Pacific Fleet headquarters visited Chinese shipyards ...
                Frivolity?
                Stupidity?
                Service inconsistency?
                Or wrecking?

                And if the shipbuilding programs stopped, and the allocated funds were suspended, then why were they not sent to the MODERNIZATION of existing ships? In order to give them new combat capabilities and extend their service life?
                After all, the shipyards were standing without orders and funding?
                Why didn't they spend many years waiting for their repair MAPLs pr. 971, 945, SSGN 949? And now most of them are being written off, and the rest ... have just gone into actual repairs?
                Foolishness and frivolity again?
                Why haven't they laid new corvettes for so many years?
                They didn't turn out very well, but the engines were for them!
                And why on them began to fence a monstrously expensive and not working as it should be radar?
                I'm talking about "Barrier" of course.
                But the USC in the same years stubbornly builds ... unimaginable squalor in the form of pr. 22160!
                Unarmed and useless, completely seaworthy and giving no more than 22 knots!
                And he intends to continue building it !!
                Stupidity again?
                What about a monster of a terrible kind 20386 ?? angry
                Which, not only in vain, occupied the slipway and distracted specialists, not only burned billions of dollars in the wild, but also by ordering a cunning power plant for itself thwarted the development and start of production of a power plant for an urgently needed power plant for project 22350M !!!
                And now the delays with the tabs of these really critical ships have been postponed for many years due to the fact that our fledgling Star-Reducer was tormented with this stupid power plant for 22386 !!
                Who is in charge of all this?
                Who is that "genius", that "grandmaster"? Where is the "most terrible for the enemy" Minister of Defense?
                Who controls the activities of the USC? UEC?
                And the UAC, for neither the A-100, nor the new PLO aircraft, nor the aircraft for the revival of the MRA ..... NO!
                Everything about .... loved!

                ... Instead of normal and moderately priced MPSs, which the Navy needs so much, they are building ... indistinct and prohibitively expensive "Ash"!
                What for ?
                It's not MAPL!
                This is a classic SSGN, which was prepared to replace the "Batons" 949 pr.!

                And if this is not sabotage then ... WHAT IS IT?
                1. +1
                  30 October 2021 23: 40
                  Is the problem of Ukraine in the light of recent events necessary just immediately?
                  After all, you have to see directly - the disease in our country demolishes medicine and demolishes the state.
                  If it goes like this, the entire population will soon have to be treated with plantain and give birth at bus stops. Because all health workers and hospitals will move on to fight the infection.
                  Or was time irrevocably killed? What has come to the point that the Kurils are defenseless, the Ukrainian problem has not been resolved, Transnistria, South Ossetia, Abkhazia are suspended in an indeterminate state "much further."
                  1. +1
                    31 October 2021 09: 54
                    Quote: Osipov9391
                    Or was time irrevocably killed? What has come to the point that the Kurils are defenseless, the Ukrainian problem has not been resolved, Transnistria, South Ossetia, Abkhazia are suspended in an indeterminate state "much further."

                    Our multi-walker geniuses have been diligently sweeping problems under the rug all these years. But this is not the limit - they again knocked from below ...
                    Problems must be solved, and this requires WILL.
                    But instead of Will, there is one continuous FOOL.
                    Alas.
                2. -3
                  31 October 2021 09: 27
                  okay good, I'm already tired of your fight with Putin
                  1. +3
                    31 October 2021 10: 00
                    It makes no difference to me whether it is Putin or Rasputin, as long as it "catches mice."
                    But barns are full of mice, the cat is purring out of place ...
                    Already 2020 has clearly shown that the president in the Russian Federation does not control ANYTHING.
                    So it doesn't matter who "lies on the rug."
                3. ban
                  +1
                  31 October 2021 10: 13
                  Or wrecking?

                  Here without or, definitely.
                  The whole top is scum, enemies of the people and pests
            2. +3
              31 October 2021 02: 40
              Japan already has more than two dozen of the latest R-1 anti-submarine aircraft.
              Probably Borei from Kamchatka should be removed from such a threat immediately.
              1. +1
                31 October 2021 10: 03
                Quote: Osipov9391
                Probably Borei from Kamchatka should be removed from such a threat immediately.

                Of course not . It is enough to deploy two additional fighter regiments in Kamchatka and Sakhalin, and at least one tanker and an AWACS aircraft would be good for them. And ZGRLS will give an alert.
                1. +1
                  31 October 2021 12: 51
                  So where can we get all this if there is not enough of it in the European part of Russia? Even the Northern Fleet is experiencing the same practical situation. There are only the Su-33 / MiG-29K squadrons from the ship and the MiG-31 squadron in Monchegorsk. This is not enough.
                  And 20 years ago, 3 fighter regiments were based in the Kola air defense formation - one on the MiG-31 and a couple on the Su-27.
                  After Serdyukov, this did not remain in sight.
                  1. 0
                    31 October 2021 13: 37
                    The shelves need not be relocated, but revived, new ones deployed. Aircraft (fighters) for them - to build through an urgent additional order. the industry will cope, it is now not even half-hearted, orders for aircraft have been sharply reduced in recent years ... although they are not enough.
                    In general, both combat and special aviation in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation is extremely lacking. But we are able to build fighters as before.
                    Therefore, it is necessary to build.
                    Until they are built, the airfield base infrastructure will be ready.
                    If we, of course, are going to continue to own DV.
                    1. +1
                      31 October 2021 17: 52
                      There will be neither opportunity nor time for this. As I wrote, the disease takes down the state and medicine.
                      Will have to fight those that are most likely. And a year later, subtract another 20-25% from this.
                      For example, 34-4 old Su-6Ms are written off for one new Su-24.
                      The same applies to others. 35-4 Su-6Ps are written off for one Su-27S. Although many of those written off for a long time only were listed but did not fly. These are cars from the end of the 80s.
                      1. +1
                        31 October 2021 23: 23
                        Well then, just form / select the so-called. air regiments of rapid response for emergency transfer to the most responsible and threatened theater of operations. Like firefighters.
                        If the government is draining the country, then this can no longer be stopped - as with the merger of the Union, this is being prepared a lot ahead of time and played out according to plan.
                      2. +1
                        31 October 2021 23: 45
                        Here is the last thing I fear most of all. All the facts tend to this. Soon, almost all Su-27, MiG-29 and even MiG-31 (there are fewer and fewer suitable engines, they are not made) will be decommissioned.
                        This also applies to the Su-25 and Su-24M. Almost everything that is of Soviet production.
                        In Russia today, there is virtually no serial production of fighters. The fact that they do this cannot be called serial. A lot of enterprises that worked for the series have already bent over or lie on their sides. Someone will die because of the quarantine and the crisis.
                        For example, Voronezh Electropribor. The plant was unique - serial production of angle of attack sensors, air signal systems, a lot of avionics for all aircraft and helicopters. It was also the developer.
                        The plant was destroyed last year. Part of his nomenclature was transferred to Ulyanovsk. And there they can't cope or don't want to.
                        I just had to order spare parts for the speed indicator and altimeter there.
                        And there the delivery time is almost 3-4 months! Deadlines are constantly missed.
                        And so everywhere. Without these things, the plane will not fly even if fifty fuselages are riveted a year.
                        And this is everywhere. There were big problems with the replacement of Kiev components. Kursk and Smolensk seemed to be making analogs. But everything is very slow and worse than what came from Ukraine. Of course, in a roundabout way, they get something else out of there.
                2. 0
                  1 November 2021 09: 29
                  Sorry, but you again propose to solve naval problems by forces of other types of the Armed Forces ...
                  1. 0
                    1 November 2021 10: 57
                    How else can you decide here?
                    Ships for the Pacific Fleet won't appear at the click of your fingers, they can't build them at their own shipyards, and they don't want to (USC is so simple categorically), order in China and equip / equip them at home?
                    Can . I have written about this more than once. But that will also take time.
                    So the only remaining opportunity is the deployment of several fighter and strike air regiments to stop the air and surface threats.
                    We already have nothing to fight against the underwater threat - no specialized aircraft for this, no normal MAPLs and submarines, no sufficient quantity and quality of anti-submarine ships ...
                    "The fleet takes a long time to build."
                    And if you build like ours, then for the construction of something combat-ready and eternity will not be enough.
              2. -1
                31 October 2021 14: 41
                Let all these subsonic aircraft pass through the affected area of ​​our air defense - they will see 400kas at a distance of 600 kilometers, and next to its radars in the Far East there are more powerful over-the-horizon ones that can see both air and sea objects at a distance of 3000 kilometers invisible, no one will fly by.
    2. -2
      30 October 2021 17: 23
      The fleet does not bring money to a fighting country, but the pipe brings, and with this money, among other things, they build a fleet and maintain it.
      1. 0
        31 October 2021 10: 06
        In the wrong place, the proceeds from the pipe are carried - the gold reserves and the National Welfare Fund are simply bursting with money, but the funds are not going to the Fleet or the development of the Country.
        The Russian Federation has no money problems. Problems with their distribution and development.
        1. 0
          31 October 2021 14: 46
          From the NWF, when more than 13 trillion rubles in it are allocated money for national projects - and the fleet is funded through the Ministry of Defense, which receives funding from the budget, which is replenished with taxes from the sale of raw materials, goods, services, etc. - so there is no need to drive that money does not go to the development of the country.
          1. +1
            31 October 2021 15: 32
            And where are these projects "nat." will go when we lose the war?
            And who will get it?
            Our Far East is naked, either in aviation, in the surface fleet, or in the submarine. And there you will not hide like a little child under a blanket. The issue must be resolved, and as soon as possible.
            First of all, in combat aviation - fighter and strike. This can be done easier and faster by placing a couple of fighter and a couple of strike regiments on the Su-35S, Su-30SM2 and Su-34M.
            And urgently to buy ships for the Pacific Fleet.
            China offered us to build its 055 destroyers in exchange for the transfer of technical documentation and a license for the Tu-160, so that both sides as quickly as possible solve the most acute problems of their defenses.
            There was not enough intelligence and quickness back in 2015 - 2016 to resolve the issue with the purchase of frigates and UDC, so even now they would not waste time.
            It seems that both sides are interested.
            And further .
            In the pre-war time on the military budget they do not play trivialities. Before the RYA, they saved on shells, did not order enough ships on time at foreign shipyards, and in January 1904 received a war against an almost two superior enemy, and even with the divided forces of the fleet.
            Before the bourgeois times, the example of this war was more than a household name.
            Not anymore ?
            The association is not asking for?
            Only today the situation is even worse. Then, in the Baltic Sea, the second squadron was almost ready for the Pacific Fleet ... But today there is nothing at all. USC thwarted and failed all programs.
            And with the tenacity of a rhinoceros, he strives to build ONLY freaks 22160, 20386 and there is still no news of what rubbish ... including "Ash" for the price of TWO "Boreyevs" each ... but absolutely does not even want to complete the modernization of "Nakhimov" and "Kuznetsov"!
            He does not want to normally finish building frigates 22350, for some reason launching Admiral Golovko half a year before the power plant arrives for him, and then ... and then sinking or otherwise ruining this power plant in an attempt to load it afloat into the hull (throughout history no one did that) ... they are waiting for the second power plant and ... they also load it afloat ... in parts ... and still cannot take the ship to sea trials. There are serious suspicions that the power plant on this ship will be disabled from birth ... it was so wonderful it was shoved into the ship ...
            And if these joint shipbuilders had fulfilled the technical process, if the power plant was on the slipway, the ship would have been in service for a long time.
            Back in 2020!
            And this year the 4th frigate of this series would be handed over.
            But they want to hand over ONLY freaks 22160.
  11. -15
    30 October 2021 09: 38
    Again, an article in the style of "fucked up everything ...". Failed in prison - but his work lives on.

    The streams of crocodile tears "how few ships Russia has" in the Pacific Ocean, are justified by a simple comparison "but they have." At the same time, the primitive hammering in the thought that "more combat fleet is needed" is in no way connected with the previous lamentations about: "Oh, how bad the people are living ..." and "how the income level of the population is falling", ... You just have to stupidly threaten resources for the construction and maintenance of various pieces of iron and the more - the better (for whom?).

    Okay, let's start arguing by contradiction.
    Russia has a developed coastal defense and it is impossible for enemy surface ships to approach the coast closer than 300 km. a fleet is not needed at all to defend the coast. Of course, this is an extreme, but it should immediately calm all the whiners.

    In addition to coastal complexes, Russia has aviation, which allows us to move the boundaries of the defense zone by a couple of thousand kilometers. This will allow its submarines and anti-submarine ships to operate, the number of which is determined by operational areas, and not by the number of enemy units. Let's add a few more ships for specific tasks, such as: bulk, boarding, landing, mining, ... - that's all. Chasing the enemy throughout the Quiet, apart from the support of your coast, is very expensive and makes no sense. And don't forget about space.

    The author has clearly forgotten that "you need to fight not by numbers, but by skill."
    1. +13
      30 October 2021 10: 21
      1) Coastal complexes and all this, the classic Maginot. If you deliberately go into a blind defense, this means that the enemy has untied hands. The entire history of wars, especially the last 40-50 years, shows whoever takes the initiative wins.
      2) We initially write off the aircraft of conditional Japan? But they will fly to the Kuril Islands for 5-10 minutes, while the Su-27/30/35 will be on full tanks and also with PTBs.
      3) To act against Japanese boats, which are three times larger in number and in terms of manufacturability for a generation? I am already silent about the fact that the Americans will collect data there and transmit it to the Japanese in real time.
      4) Again, only Rogozin launches satellites? Nothing that the same NROLs won last year, one launch on Delta Heavy with a secret satellite cost 1/4 of the annual budget of Roscosmos.
      1. -12
        30 October 2021 10: 59
        Quote: donavi49
        1) Coastal complexes and all this, the classic Maginot.

        Comparing warm and soft? What methods can you suppress shore batteries?
        - Cruise missiles? There are already electronic warfare and anti-aircraft missile systems and MANPADS.
        - Airborne troops? Air defense in his tail.
        - Amphibious assault? With the current coastal defense ...
        Quote: donavi49
        2) We initially write off the aircraft of conditional Japan? But they will fly to the Kuril Islands for 5-10 minutes, while the Su-27/30/35 will be on full tanks and also with PTBs.

        Here the entire load will fall on the air defense / missile defense. The enemy will fly by itself, there is no need to chase after him.
        And Su-XXs with PTBs do not fly into battle (are you a foreigner?). They have everything already in the design.
        Quote: donavi49
        3) To act against Japanese boats, which are three times larger and more technologically advanced per generation?

        There is only one difficulty with submarines: detection. But the coastal zone is equipped with such passive systems.
        Quote: donavi49
        4) Again, only Rogozin launches satellites? Nothing that the same NROLs won last year, one launch on Delta Heavy with a secret satellite cost 1/4 of the annual budget of Roscosmos.

        And where does all sorts of Heavy? Their satellites do not provide us with reconnaissance and target designation.
        1. +12
          30 October 2021 11: 15
          1) So it's the same. If you deliberately give the initiative to the enemy, then any impregnable fortress can be taken. You are waiting for the enemy, and the enemy has the ability to concentrate a blow, prepare an operation, and maneuver forces.
          2) Well, so the air defense / missile defense is also not endless. Again, if we are talking about the Kuriles, where the supply to the islands will be closed with the first volleys. And each burnt radar will severely cut off the air defense capabilities, because it is impossible to bring a new one.
          3) So, they will not go to the bases (well, perhaps, at the deployment stage, try to beat the BNK - in the style of 1904).
          4) US satellite constellation = Japanese in this context. In a hypothetical war for the Kuril Islands, in fact, three options for the US behavior are possible:
          a) The most favorable. Merge information from satellites, stationary networks, AWACS + reconnaissance ships that will quickly approach the area.
          b) Moderate. To actively supply weapons according to the scenario of the Arab-Israeli, to send large forces to the region to protect the freedom of navigation. Actively distract the Navy / VKS. Well, transfer data, deploy their headquarters in Japan, provide all possible support.
          c) Bad. Challenge to battle. Large-scale maneuvers near the Crimea, in Europe - synchronized with the Kuriles, so that nothing could be pulled out in the Far East. Aggressive provocations. Well, everything that is in a / b.
          1. -9
            30 October 2021 11: 59
            Quote: donavi49
            rag has the ability to concentrate a blow, prepare an operation, maneuver forces

            Concentrate by the fleet - it cannot. A counter "concentration" will be immediately detected and there will be.
            Aviation is more difficult for them and for us. But it is only important for us not to miss the moment ...
            Quote: donavi49
            Well, so the air defense / missile defense is also not endless. Again, if we are talking about the Kuriles, where the supply to the islands will be closed with the very first volleys.

            Everything is exactly the opposite. Immediately supply, reinforcements ...
            Quote: donavi49
            3) So, they will not go to the bases

            Even in ancient history, fortresses were effectively used, since ignoring them by the attackers was punishable by a blow to the flank or back. No way by!
            Quote: donavi49
            4) US satellite constellation = Japanese in this context. In a hypothetical war for the Kuril Islands, in fact, three options for the US behavior are possible:

            These are only eyes. And the proverb says: "The eye sees - but the tooth does not take."
            Quote: donavi49
            a) The most favorable. Merge information from satellites, stationary networks, AWACS + reconnaissance ships that will quickly approach the area.

            In the area of ​​operation of Russian aviation or coastal systems?
            Quote: donavi49
            b) Moderate. To actively supply weapons according to the scenario of the Arab-Israeli, to send large forces to the region to protect the freedom of navigation. Actively distract the Navy / VKS. Well, transfer data, deploy their headquarters in Japan, provide all possible support.

            Bears? Reindeer?
            Quote: donavi49
            c) Bad. Challenge to battle. Large-scale maneuvers near the Crimea, in Europe - synchronized with the Kuriles, so that nothing could be pulled out in the Far East. Aggressive provocations. Well, everything that is in a / b.

            These are different military districts.
            It's funny in the Crimea! They will block the Bosphorus with their flooded skeletons.
            Europe - yes there! It will be wet, but not for long. Nuclear weapon....
            1. +8
              30 October 2021 12: 28
              [quote] In the area of ​​operation of Russian aviation or coastal systems?
              [Quote]
              another dreamer)
              Japan's aviation is an order of magnitude stronger than the one we have in the Pacific Ocean!
              2-3 dozen su35 and a couple dozen mig-31
              ALL!
              The Japanese have hundreds of modern fighters
              Coastal systems are destroyed by enemy aircraft in the first hours of the conflict
              only then the fleet goes to sea
              1. -12
                30 October 2021 12: 34
                Quote: Tim Werner
                Japan's aviation is an order of magnitude stronger than the one we have in the Pacific Ocean!
                2-3 dozen su35 and a couple dozen mig-31

                So it is not Russia that will fly into the air defense zone.
                Quote: Tim Werner
                The Japanese have hundreds of modern fighters

                Where did they place them? There, the air bases have nowhere to be located.
                Quote: Tim Werner
                Coastal systems are destroyed by enemy aircraft in the first hours of the conflict, only then the fleet goes to sea

                First you need to overcome the air defense, which is unrealistic.
                1. +9
                  30 October 2021 12: 50
                  Russian aviation is scattered 5000 km from Kamchatka to Vladik and Khabarovsk
                  Japan can gather its own in a fist.

                  Air defense in our Far East focal for such a colossal territory is completely inadequate and is overcome at once
                  Due to its compact territory, the Japanese air defense is saturated and strong due to the constant threat from North Korean missiles

                  by the way, air defense is not only an air defense system, but also aviation, which, as I wrote, is extremely small
                  1. -12
                    30 October 2021 13: 06
                    Quote: Tim Werner
                    Due to its compact territory, the Japanese air defense is saturated and strong due to the constant threat from North Korean missiles

                    Are we going to Japan? Therefore, their air defense is not yet interesting.
                    Quote: Tim Werner
                    Russian aviation is scattered 5000 km from Kamchatka to Vladik and Khabarovsk
                    Japan can gather its own in a fist.

                    IMHO:
                    This will be their (Japanese) last flight. Airbase runways will be destroyed.
                    This will be followed by the systematic destruction of their air defense with hypersonic missiles and the subsequent unhurried loosening of the territory of the islands like ISIS in Syria.
                    1. +9
                      30 October 2021 13: 10
                      This is just a masterpiece! Here is a vivid example of the Uryaskakuas thinking!

                      Quote: Genry
                      Are we going to Japan? Therefore, their air defense is not yet interesting.

                      Quote: Genry
                      This will be their (Japanese) last flight. Airbase runways will be destroyed.
                      This will be followed by the systematic destruction of their air defense with hypersonic missiles and the subsequent unhurried loosening of the territory of the islands like ISIS in Syria.
                      1. -10
                        30 October 2021 13: 27
                        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                        This is just a masterpiece!

                        You are just childish naivete.
                        After receiving a blow, do not respond with rockets to the aggressor's base. fool
                      2. -6
                        30 October 2021 15: 36
                        He just works out his shekel hi
                    2. +4
                      30 October 2021 13: 12
                      ah ... well, yes, yes ...
                      sorry, I didn't immediately understand who I was dealing with ...
                      don't dare bother me anymore
                      1. -6
                        30 October 2021 13: 29
                        Quote: Tim Werner
                        sorry, I didn’t understand right away,

                        Don't apologize, I see your level of understanding. feel
                2. +2
                  30 October 2021 14: 06
                  "There is nowhere for airbases to be located" - Just google "the myth of little Japan" and look at the pictures in the SERP.
                3. 0
                  30 October 2021 15: 13
                  Where did they place them? There, the air bases have nowhere to be located.
                  The territory of Japan (377,976 sq. Km) is larger than that of Germany (357,114 sq. Km).
                  1. 0
                    1 November 2021 11: 10
                    Quote: Bolt Cutter
                    The territory of Japan (377,976 sq. Km) is larger than that of Germany (357,114 sq. Km).

                    Do you compare the plain with the rocks?
              2. -3
                30 October 2021 18: 05
                "Japan's aviation is an order of magnitude stronger than the one we have in the Pacific!
                2-3 dozen su35 and a couple dozen mig-31
                EVERYTHING! "- 153 - F15 45 - F15E 78 - F4 and 17 - F 35A are in service with the Japanese Air Force. on Yuzhno Kurilsk and C 400V300 located on Iturup, they will definitely lose a third of their air force when our air defense is suppressed, and this is already significant losses for their air force.
                1. +1
                  30 October 2021 20: 48
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  They will definitely lose a third of their air force when our air defense is suppressed, and this is already significant losses for their air force.


                  What the fuck are the Japanese. Japs now have a China problem, which causes increased diarrhea in samurai. Russia has no expansive plans in the Far East (everything that needs to be taken away, only protection). And in terms of protection, the best option is a ground-based RV ..
    2. +5
      30 October 2021 14: 31
      Quote: Genry
      Russia has a developed coastal defense and it is impossible for enemy surface ships to approach the coast closer than 300 km.

      Excuse me ... which shore?
      No, our naval base is really covered. And even on the disputed islands, they managed to deliver the BPRK.
      And what about the rest of the shores?
      For example, the water area of ​​the Sea of ​​Okhotsk?
      Where some submarines do not get to run around like at home - in our so-called. "bastion".
      Through the straits of the Kuril ridge - like a courtyard.
      And anti-submarine aviation - just like at home.
      Above the "bastion".
      Quote: Genry
      In addition to coastal complexes, Russia has aviation,

      Aviation?
      WHICH ??
      Marine Missile Launcher?
      Anti-submarine?
      WHICH ?
      There is also a fighter, perhaps, to fight off Korea.
      Quote: Genry
      Let's add a few more ships for specific tasks, such as: bulk, boarding,

      But this is already to the doctor.
      And look for a good specialist.
      1. +4
        30 October 2021 23: 41
        There is trouble with the fleet, the drain of clean water, not sabotage, not slovenliness - a planned drain. Timokhin is right, the blow must be expected from the sea, and perhaps before the 30th year. And our relays, hypersound by November will finish testing on "Gorshkov" and what ...
        1. +3
          31 October 2021 09: 11
          Quote: 911sx
          Timokhin is right, the blow must be expected from the sea, and perhaps before the 30th year.

          Much earlier . I would bet next year. And precisely because we still do not have any hypersound in service, just as there are no carriers of this miracle of technology - there are no ships or aircraft platforms.
          There are only plans and cartoons.
          And so that cartoons do not become "iron", they will not pull. Today the Russian Federation, and precisely from the sea, is as weak as ever. For at least some stopping of SUCH failure, it is necessary at least 5-6 years (to complete the construction and introduce into the Fleet those frigates already laid down 22350 \ 22350.1, etc., modernize at least a couple more BOD 1155, withdraw from repair and modernization " Admiral Nakhimov "and" Adm. Kuznetsov "... and modernize even a couple of MAPLs pr. 971, and complete the series of" Ash "(if not scold, but still combat units).
          What do you think will give us these 5 - 6 years?
          AT LEAST TIMES in our history of wars GIVEN?
          On the eve of RJAV?
          PMV?
          WWII?
          Yes, they themselves will not live up to the 30s.
          So I would start the counter of probable dates from next year.
      2. +3
        31 October 2021 02: 06
        It's hard to believe, but today the Ministry of Emergency Situations has a certain quantity of modern multi-purpose rescue helicopters Ka-32A11BC, although it was created on the basis of the Ka-27PS, it is much better.
        And in the Navy they are not at all! Only old Ka-27 and Ka-29 of which there are so few. These are the main shipborne helicopters. Many have more than 32-25 years of operation! And on metal they will leave before they find a replacement.
        The anti-submarine modification of the Ka-32A11BC was not a sin not to develop and not produce. At least slightly the old equipment was updated and shoved into a new helicopter.
        But even this did not come to mind or did not want to.
        I am familiar with the pilots of the Ministry of Emergency Situations that fly on the Ka-32A11BC. The department uses the helicopter as a multipurpose one. And medicine, and fire fighting, and search and rescue. Exploration, including gas analysis, etc.
        He would not have had a price in the fleet. It is clear that this is the version of the Soviet Ka-27, but nevertheless it is better than nothing! And today it’s nothing. I must say it bluntly.
        There are no plans for the procurement of new Ka-27 / 29s, or for any other vehicles.
        Ka-226 with western engines can be ignored. No radius, no load.
        1. +2
          31 October 2021 09: 25
          Quote: Osipov9391
          There are no plans for the procurement of new Ka-27 / 29s, or for any other vehicles.

          There are talks about plans for a new carrier-based helicopter (PLO, MSS, strike, landing), it seems that they even allocated some funds, it seems that they even collected some kind of makt in Arsenyev with a pushing propeller ... but for some reason it is SO late that it is for sure will not even keep pace with the UDC under construction in Kerch.
          This is profanation, sabotage and sabotage. Execution article in the days of a sovereign state.
          And they most likely will not restore production of the Ka-32A11BC for the Navy - there are not enough helicopter engines. Zaporizhzhya is no longer available, and our own production does not allow maintaining the production of helicopters even at the level of 50% of the pre-war level.
          And everything suits them.
        2. -2
          31 October 2021 14: 57
          New helicopters for the Ministry of Emergency Situations are purchased because they solve real problems that appear every year throughout the country - and what will your helicopters do at the Pacific Fleet just stand at the airfields - and devour money for this standing of complete uselessness in anticipation of miracles that Japan is on us from the sea or The United States will attack - neither Japan nor the United States will fight with the world's second nuclear power, since for them any such attack could end with a nuclear apocalypse with a high degree of probability. The Ministry of Defense has other expenses more important than the fleet and its special aviation.
      3. 0
        1 November 2021 12: 31
        Quote: bayard
        And what about the rest of the shores?
        For example, the water area of ​​the Sea of ​​Okhotsk?

        Inland Sea - Can be fully controlled by multiple DBKs.
        Quote: bayard
        Where some submarines do not get to run around like at home - in our so-called. "bastion". Through the straits of the Kuril ridge - like into your yard.

        Look at the depth map !!!
        There, the surface can only pass in a few places.
        Quote: bayard
        And anti-submarine aviation - just like at home.
        Above the "bastion".

        Are you definitely not a stranger from a parallel world?
        Where is the border of Russia, foreign planes fly through it.
        Quote: bayard
        Aviation?
        WHICH ??

        Missile carriers: rangers or strategists. From time to time they fly up to Japan or Alaska, after which the innocents raise a howl about border violations.
        Quote: bayard
        But this is already to the doctor. And look for a good specialist.

        This is your habit, as you are a little worried - so immediately to a psychiatrist. Here he rebuilt your whole psyche for himself.
        1. 0
          1 November 2021 19: 33
          Quote: Genry
          Inland Sea - Can be fully controlled by multiple DBKs.

          From whom ?
          Control ?
          Coastal missile systems?
          There are submarines. And ours are on duty, and not ours.
          Quote: Genry
          There, the surface can only pass in a few places.

          And from the Sea of ​​Japan?
          Quote: Genry
          Missile carriers: rangers or strategists. Periodically fly up to Japan or Alaska,

          How about a fighter?
          Shock?
          Anti-submarine?
          Patrolman?
          Military transport?
          1. 0
            2 November 2021 00: 31
            The main thing is not to write off how many people do the extremely numerous and modern Japanese fighter aircraft. These are more than 250 modern fighters. Many are based in northern Japan.
            And fly them to the Kuriles / Sakhalin in less than 10 minutes. No matter what air defense systems / coastal missile systems and aviation we put there, they can cover everything at once.
            I'm not even talking about the Japanese tactical missiles and heavy artillery attacks on the Kurils.
            The small group there is almost guaranteed to be doomed to a one-time defeat.
            The capabilities of aviation based in Primorye and Kamchatka are severely limited - the limit of its radius.
            1. -1
              2 November 2021 08: 44
              Here I am about the same.
              But on the other hand, "new cities in Siberia", megaprojects and ... even a "tidal hydroelectric power station worth at least $ 200 billion" ... "the price is probably too low" - according to the initiators themselves ...
              In the wilderness, without consumers ... such a "powerful" ??
              The assimilation of the budget and the funds accumulated in the pod ... continues.

              Recently, they have been behaving like broken robots - a chaotic set of actions and movements ...
              1. -1
                2 November 2021 14: 56
                Another example of the use of money is the Baltic nuclear power plant in the Kaliningrad region. And the Vostochny cosmodrome too. In fact, useless structures as many believe.
                The money ended up in the pockets of the right people.
          2. -1
            2 November 2021 18: 58
            Quote: bayard
            There are submarines. And ours are on duty and not ours .

            Whose "not ours"? And how did they end up inside the territory of Russia?
            Quote: bayard
            And from the Sea of ​​Japan?

            There are two narrow straits off Sakhalin ... Do you think there is no active detection system there?
            Quote: bayard
            How about a fighter?
            Shock?
            Anti-submarine?
            Patrolman?
            Military transport?

            You re-read your initial question! It was about complexes with anti-ship missiles. Everything else is generally accepted support and service. And-ah-and you wanted to "get off topic"?
    3. +1
      1 November 2021 04: 13
      Russia has a developed coastal defense and it is impossible for enemy surface ships to approach the coast closer than 300 km. a fleet is not needed at all to defend the coast. Of course, this is an extreme, but it should immediately calm all the whiners.


      It's a lie.
  12. -4
    30 October 2021 10: 26
    Timokhin bit the skomorokhov.
    The Russian Federation has 3 states on its western and southwestern borders that are not too friendly to the Russian Federation, to put it mildly. These are Poland, Ukraine and Turkey. They have SVs in total under a million people. 400-500 kilometers from Moscow and Leningrad. And this is a real problem.
    And these two dreamers propose butting for domination in the Pacific.
    I will just remind you that plus or minus 150 million people live in the Russian Federation. And the Russian Federation cannot, like Japan, dump everything into the fleet, forgetting about the Strategic Missile Forces and Ground Forces. The fleet, whatever it is, will not be able to prevent the aggression of Turkey, Poland and Ukraine.

    For all those who consider the financing of the fleet as insufficient / incorrect, I propose to organize a fund led by Timokhin. And send part of their salary there, for the construction of aircraft carriers and destroyers, with the obligatory basing in the Far East. And this is almost no joke. Stubborn volunteers in / on collect money to equip the Ukrainian army, and quite a lot. And let's see how much fleet lovers gather at least a minesweeper of your money.
    1. +1
      30 October 2021 14: 14
      Well, it's not about domination, but so that they don't wipe their feet once again. If some "John McCain" is going to the mission american idiot (crossed out) freedom of navigation operation, and here is a new destroyer with a reinforced board on the course ... Dreaming is not harmful. And the problem of the close location of the capital from the hostile limitrophes of Europe can be solved by evacuating it beyond the Urals. )
  13. -1
    30 October 2021 10: 34
    Was Telman Izmailov extradited?
    1. -3
      30 October 2021 11: 13
      Quote: iouris
      Was Telman Izmailov extradited?

      What does this huckster from trade have to do with a military theme?
      1. 0
        30 October 2021 13: 13
        This is an indicator of the political weight of the state of the Russian Federation in the world and its attitude to its domestic legislation. The Russian Federation cannot influence the balance of power in a large region. The question of who will become the owner of the ocean will be resolved without the Russian Federation.
        1. -3
          30 October 2021 13: 21
          Quote: iouris
          This is an indicator of the political weight of the state of the Russian Federation in the world and its attitude to its domestic legislation.

          What caused such opposition from Russia is clearly not indifference, therefore hatred remains, which is due to envy or fear.
          Quote: iouris
          The question of who will become the owner of the ocean will be resolved without the Russian Federation.

          There is and will not be a master of the oceans, just as there will not be a master of the Universe.
  14. +9
    30 October 2021 11: 15
    Quote: Genry
    In addition to coastal complexes, Russia has aviation, which allows us to move the boundaries of the defense zone by a couple of thousand kilometers ... And don't forget about space.

    Unfortunately, our affairs with naval aviation are even worse than with the navy. And it's the same with military space. There was only enough money for the coastal complexes, and there are not so many of those.
    1. -9
      30 October 2021 12: 13
      Quote: Chief Officer Lom
      with naval aviation, our business is even worse than with the navy.


      How many sorties do you need to make an aircraft such as Tu-22 or Su-34 with missiles of "Dagger" size, in order to sink a hundred ships from a distance of 500 km?
      How long will it take with 10 aircraft?
      Quote: Chief Officer Lom
      And it's the same with military space.

      Military space is fine. Its importance is understandable and not comparable to the flight to the moon.
      Quote: Chief Officer Lom
      There was only enough money for the coastal complexes, and there are not so many of those.

      It is important that enough is enough.
      1. +3
        30 October 2021 12: 57
        an aircraft of the Tu-22 or Su-34 type with missiles of the "Dagger" size, in order to sink a hundred ships from a distance of 500 km?
        How long will it take with 10 aircraft?

        these planes carry no daggers
        calm down already
        stop fantasizing
        1. -5
          30 October 2021 13: 12
          Quote: Tim Werner
          these planes carry no daggers

          Specifically those Daggers - I did not say. An additional booster stage is needed.
          1. 0
            1 November 2021 04: 14
            Do you know the mass of this rocket, bunny?
            1. 0
              1 November 2021 11: 05
              Quote: timokhin-aa
              Do you know the mass of this rocket, bunny?

              Tsypa, the Su-34 has a maximum load twice that of the MiG-31. About Tu-22 ...
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        2. -1
          31 October 2021 15: 00
          Su 34 under the Dagger can be upgraded, and the aircraft's combat load of 12 tons allows you to do this.
  15. +3
    30 October 2021 11: 59
    The fact that everything is necessary so that everything is good and that it is not necessary that everything is bad is obvious to the kindergartener. The author wrote that Russia does not have this, that it does not call, but America has so many wonders! So what's new he discovered? Spend your entire budget on the fleet? Then the same author will immediately write that there is not enough for agriculture, etc. Does the author advocate for dragging Russia into an unbearable arms race and thereby ruin our country? A country with a population of less than 150 million will not be able to compete on equal terms with a country with 350 million. And the Europeans, and the Japanese ... And all the enemies ...
    The asymmetrical answer is our everything.
    1. -1
      30 October 2021 16: 55
      Quote: Alexander X
      A country with a population of less than 150 million will not be able to compete on equal terms with a country with 350 million.

      As it turns out, a country with a population of 140 million cannot compete on equal terms in industry even with countries of 70 million. good But ambition and ambition are like those of the Chinese elite.
      1. 0
        31 October 2021 15: 05
        Show at least one country with a population of 70 million that produces everything that we produce, from pins to satellites, nuclear submarines, icebreakers, fifth-generation fighters, rocket engines, jet engines, nuclear reactors, hypersonic missiles, and so on.
        1. -3
          31 October 2021 18: 48
          Quote: Vadim237
          we are starting from pins

          Chinese laughing
          Quote: Vadim237
          ending

          And ending with this list. In addition to the reactors, they forgot how to do the rest, all that remained was to draw rollers. How many is the fifth generation without engines of the fifth, 12 pieces?
  16. 0
    30 October 2021 12: 01
    This is all very interesting BUT
    the United States has allies, with a strong navy - NATO, Japan, Australia
    China has NO such allies
    1. -5
      30 October 2021 12: 21
      Quote: Tim Werner
      the United States has allies, with a strong navy - NATO,

      How will NATO and China meet?
      Quote: Tim Werner
      Japan, Australia

      Off the coast of China, he will always be stronger. At a distance, then Australia can bite.
      Japan needs to constantly defend against Russia - there is no peace treaty.
  17. +1
    30 October 2021 13: 17
    Should we not aim at William, our nasheg, Shakespeare ... or rather at his compatriot, the famous Admiral Fisher? Asho did this admiral bequeathed to us? Better "Stewardess" times than that 134, more precisely, it is better to build one Dreadnought (Sumvolt) than to keep outdated 197 steam-sailing frigates. Ships can rapidly age and with the advent of a superimba, which can drown 70 ArlieBerks or their analogues at once, all these armadas can be scrapped, just as they were dismantled for firewood a couple of centuries ago. It is necessary to skip the next generation of ships and immediately build ships and submarines of the next generation. today's arms race can be left alone and not obsessed with our partners' 500 destroyers or frigates.
    1. -2
      30 October 2021 13: 36
      Should we not aim at William, our nasheg, Shakespeare ... or rather at his compatriot, the famous Admiral Fisher? Asho did this admiral bequeathed to us? Better "Stewardess" times than that 134, more precisely, it is better to build one Dreadnought (Sumvolt) than to keep outdated 197 steam-sailing frigates. Ships can rapidly age and with the advent of a superimba, which can drown 70 ArlieBerks or their analogues at once, all these armadas can be scrapped, just as they were dismantled for firewood a couple of centuries ago. It is necessary to skip the next generation of ships and immediately build ships and submarines of the next generation. today's arms race can be left alone and not obsessed with our partners' 500 destroyers or frigates.
      To read you, so immediately you need to put teleportation on the stream. Teleport nuclear warheads. Cargo .... winked laughing Flag! How can we excuse the flag for my non-innovative convictions to demonstrate in the far corners of the planet? !!! laughing
  18. +3
    30 October 2021 13: 24
    Who will be the master of the Pacific Ocean?
    Yes, anyone except the Russian Federation. No, well, SSBNs have not been canceled. But these are doomsday ships. And for everyday life, you need a fleet. And we have ... optimization. am
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      30 October 2021 13: 41
      Quote: Observer2014
      Who will be the master of the Pacific Ocean?
      Anyone other than the Russian Federation.

      You are still walking (did not want to say "floating") on the surface of the planet, and the time is coming for space target designation and target destruction with a hypersonic missile. All oceans become the Black Sea near the Crimea.
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        30 October 2021 15: 03
        You are still walking (did not want to say "floating") on the surface of the planet, and the time is coming for space target designation and target destruction with a hypersonic missile. All oceans become the Black Sea near the Crimea.
        Koneshno. Where without hypersonic missiles and space target designation. Hey! Whistle all up. An American destroyer entered the Black Sea! Aim the hypersonic missiles at him from space, he will suddenly get scared and run away.
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          31 October 2021 15: 12
          In combat conditions - this American destroyer will not even be suitable for 1000 kilometers to the Black Sea - since the crew and the captain will know that it will be sent to the bottom with a 100% probability if it enters the zone of destruction of our missiles, including hypersonic ones.
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          1 November 2021 11: 23
          Quote: Observer2014
          KoneShno.

          Should it be funny?
          Quote: Observer2014
          Hey, everyone whistle up. An American destroyer has entered the Black Sea!

          Still growing?
          Quote: Observer2014
          Aim the hypersonic missiles at him from space, he will suddenly get scared and run away.

          In Black, he is already under the gun of the DBK ...
  19. +2
    30 October 2021 15: 17
    The author is absolutely right, Now let's take a look at the classes of ships that have been accepted into the Navy over the past ten years. We will not see aircraft carriers, heavy missile cruisers, heavy anti-submarine ships and ... even destroyers there. The Russian military-industrial complex no longer has the ability not only to build a new aircraft carrier (or aircraft-carrying cruiser), but even to repair the existing one. Moreover, the military-industrial complex today they are not able to produce ships heavier than a frigate, and even then with a very long construction period. And even with the satellite grouping, the problem of its formation is not completed, our fleet does not have the forces and means of reconnaissance even at the minimum acceptable level. The existing system is capable of providing observation only in the water areas adjacent to our coast and in separate, relatively small in size, operatively important areas of the far sea zone.
    1. -1
      31 October 2021 15: 19
      Probably this is why it does not build because our fleet does not need these ships, we have a purely defense doctrine of the use of the fleet and there is no point in spending trillions of rubles on aircraft carriers. boats and coastal missile systems, anti-submarine ships - they are now being built as they are financed. "And even with the satellite grouping, the problem of its formation is not completed, our fleet does not have the forces and means of reconnaissance even at the minimum acceptable level." 4 satellites of the Liana system are already in a highly elliptical orbit, the fleets have over-the-horizon radars for detecting surface and air targets at a distance of 3000 kilometers.
  20. +1
    30 October 2021 15: 19
    But the chief specialist in the Navy, Colonel BARANETS, is already yelling that one submarine Belgorod, having released only one Poseidon, will destroy the entire American fleet, while he casually made a reservation, if of course they all gather in one heap and wait for the go-ahead of the stupid BARANTS. Now the colonels have become more terrible than Fyodor Ushakov in their time
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      31 October 2021 15: 20
      It's his business that he wants to let him say - we will be based on technical aspects.
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  22. -5
    30 October 2021 16: 35
    In the hope that the "Borei" will frighten the Japanese and 40 Japanese destroyers will not come to the Kuril Islands "for their own". They are afraid not only of Boreyevs with their ICBMs - but also strategic cruise missiles and surface-to-air and air-based anti-ship missiles in the amount of 1400 units that Russia can cover with their fleet and ground targets during the first day of hostilities. So the thesis "Our Pacific Fleet will have enough for half of the Japanese fleet to turn into scrap metal." They will not turn our fleet into scrap metal, but we, like the country, will turn into chaos - Russia has a lot of cruise missiles for this in stocks. And in the fleet there is nothing to go and attack in the forehead of the enemy.
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      31 October 2021 10: 26
      1400 units with which Russia can cover their fleet and land facilities during the first day

      I'm embarrassed to ask, from which media? And where do the firewood about 1400 "units" come from?
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        31 October 2021 15: 26
        Strategic aviation + all ships are carriers of anti-ship missiles + Tu 22M3 carriers of anti-ship missiles + coastal missile systems, and this is without OTRK. Japan can respond to all these missiles only with Harpoons, they have nothing more serious either in the fleet or in the self-defense forces of the ground forces.
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          31 October 2021 15: 46
          Blessed is he who believes ...
          Well, count the total salvo at the Far Eastern theater ...
          And yes, we will throw samurai hats, as in 1904
  23. +5
    30 October 2021 17: 04
    The fleet is to support trade and foreign expansion ambitions. Basically, our trade interests are in the western direction - so, as they say, there are no prerequisites for increasing our ambitions in the Far East. If for China a strong fleet is support for its large-scale trade expansion from Asia to Africa, if for Japan a strong fleet is a counterbalance to the growing Chinese regional strengthening + support for bilateral trade stability of the metropolis, if finally for the United States a strong fleet is the bones of their structure of the world order and global presence - what is the Pacific Fleet for us? In fact, at the moment, these are purely protective functions within the general architecture of our security, which rests not on allies or maintaining profitable trade or control - but stupidly on a heap of nuclear weapons.
    How can we scare the neighboring developed economies now? Demographically and economically, they are already superior to us - or approximately comparable at best (China - superiority of the economy, industry, population, Japan is inferior in population, economically superior, industrially Aggregate EU - superiority in everything. USA - superiority in everything). Often they are also superior both scientifically and industrially. Not for some specific industries - for the aggregate.
    Hence the state of the fleet - given the current, rather sad state of affairs, the fleet is not the main guarantor of our sovereignty or security. We would not stupidly pull out such a guarantor economically, given that our main threat has always been from the West, and the fact that we are still traditionally a continental and not a maritime power. Only one thing can bring us to a strong fleet - long and persistent economic growth, subjugation of the markets of the former CIS and then of parts of the Middle East / Asia. Otherwise, all this talk about "a strong fleet is needed" is empty. Well, let's build - let's say. Not the most, but strong. If the economy sags, it will be like in the 80s. But it also needs to be updated - here already Bolivar will not take out. Despite the fact that the fleet is far from our main concern in defense. So in aggregate - either we have won our own, or we finally have to start developing - for a long time, thoroughly, responsibly. Otherwise, sooner or later we will simply be swept away.
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      31 October 2021 10: 34
      We would not stupidly pull out such a guarantor economically

      Really? Is this how they write in the training manuals?
      If you seriously tackle the establishment of order in the country, shoot embezzlers, pests, enemies of the people, adopt normal laws, reduce by orders of magnitude sabotage bureaucratic organizations (such as Osk, and especially those that start with growing), etc. - You will be surprised, even enough for a flight to Mars.
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        31 October 2021 15: 31
        If you seriously tackle putting things in order in the country, you will receive from all these actions a maximum of 3 trillion rubles - one aircraft carrier costs a trillion and one destroyer over 100 billion and here we have to deal with what to spend the released funds in the form of three trillion a year - certainly not on the Russian fleet at the moment, the depreciation of all fixed assets in the country is 129 trillion rubles - this is what the released money will go to.
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          31 October 2021 15: 51
          Again, where does this information come from?
          Look how much money has been withdrawn to the west! Open data from the Central Bank. This is not considering how much has been invested in cryptocurrency. The country has simply been mercilessly plundered for 30 years in a row. Not seeing this is either zero aikyu, or sticking to the budget
  24. +2
    30 October 2021 17: 25
    Good article. The Pacific Fleet must be strengthened. The only way is to transfer all 4 corvettes 20380 from the Baltic Fleet to the Pacific Fleet, as well as Yaroslav the Wise (11540). True, only 1 (one) Undaunted 11540 will remain on the Baltic Fleet, if by that time it will be returned from repair. And to strengthen the air defense in the Far East. Nothing else can really be done quickly. Moreover, even this operation (transfer of forces to the Far East) will take about a year.
  25. +1
    30 October 2021 17: 45
    With the current attitude of the feeding people, the lot of our fleet is to drive foreign poachers away from the owner's plots.
  26. -1
    30 October 2021 18: 01
    Russia has actually fleet of 315 combat ships, without include low armed patrol ships (Project 22160 and others), amphibious bots that can not carry a combat vehicle (Project 0251 (0/1) and others), nor small submarines onboad of other ships , that would be components (Project 1851 (/ 1) and others). The size of the Russian fleet remains strong.

    Russia is likely to move around this number in the following years. Very likely this year will be the last year of reduction of the sea based combat fleet (total exits by museization, demilitarization, scrapping, sale or help to allies versus new commissions). After a process of reduction of the combat fleet, that finish when the level of sustainability is reached, it is not possible to expand again the combat fleet without falling again out of sustainability. This is the reason why the sea based combat fleet of Russia will remain stable in the following years.

    The combat readiness of the ships is likely to be improved, the queue for maintenance is likely to disappear, the scrapping of combat ships is also likely to disappear, the total exits are likely to happen only by museization, sale or help to allies, the queue for modernizations is likely to be reduced, and the new commissions are likely to happen under a 1 per 1 scheme of replacement. This is the right way for Russia at this point, and this is what can be expected.

    The United States also has been facing lately problems of sustainability of its own sea based combat fleet. The United States also has been reducing its fleet. And unlike the Russia they are not reaching the end of their own process of reduction.
  27. +2
    30 October 2021 20: 24
    Quote: Knell Wardenheart
    Japan is inferior in population.

    Our vast territory is misleading for many in our country. When the Union was divided, looking at the map, it seems that we have not lost so much. But we lost the most densely populated areas, almost half of the population and, accordingly, half of the economy at once. The population of Japan is 126 million ....
  28. +2
    30 October 2021 21: 15
    3 corvettes, 2 nuclear submarines of the Borey project, 2 diesel-electric submarines of the Varshavyanka class. Everything.
    I would clarify 4 corvettes and 3 Warsaw women, if the dates are not shifted next year, 2 more corvettes and one Warsaw woman. Compared to the period from 2000 to 2010, with one boat (I can't call it any other way) This is already progress.
  29. +1
    30 October 2021 23: 02
    Half of Japan's LNG terminals are up to 1 km away. from the Russian territory. The same applies to the largest ports. Distances are quite attainable for a cruise missile strike.
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      31 October 2021 10: 36
      Distances are quite attainable for a cruise missile strike.

      Where are you going to launch them? With hands?
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        31 October 2021 15: 34
        Russia has withdrawn from the INF Treaty - so we have untied hands for such launches, and we already have missiles with such a range.
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          31 October 2021 15: 53
          Vadim, well, it's good to write nonsense!
          How many carriers are deployed on the Far East?
          1. 0
            20 January 2022 07: 36
            Yeah, and you, since the General Staff told everything. Although, in fact, you can guess what damage a single patrol missile carrier, constantly hanging in the air of the region, can inflict on a potential enemy.
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              20 January 2022 09: 22
              Have you heard about air defense fighters and Avaks?
              Japs are very good at this
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                21 January 2022 12: 33
                So what? Continue your thought. The yupps themselves are confident that they are not able to repel a missile attack, and here you are telling me about their air defense and AWACS.
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                  21 January 2022 12: 37
                  A missile attack using nuclear warheads is one thing, with a land mine it’s completely different, the damage is cheap, something like that ...
                  1. 0
                    22 January 2022 07: 21
                    Oppa! Who told you that? Is it with their level of population density per 1 square km and "corton" houses? A blow to
                    email distribution stations will immediately cause such a collapse in the same Tokyo with such consequences that only a direct strike by nuclear weapons is worse. A strike on port terminals will bring down the entire economy.
      2. 0
        2 November 2021 19: 35
        From your feet. There are ground complexes, there are air ones, and there are carriers of submarines.
  30. +1
    31 October 2021 12: 29
    But a powerful fleet of yachts of oligarchs, no one has such a fleet! We will win Sim!
  31. +3
    31 October 2021 15: 20
    After "is it worth it for the sake of several islands" did not even bother to read.

    It is the readiness to use nuclear weapons against Japan that will stop any revanchism without such use.
  32. +1
    31 October 2021 20: 44
    Russia is weak as long as it is ruled by a cowardly embezzler who puts trinkets above the interests of the Motherland.
  33. 0
    1 November 2021 03: 47
    The author somehow strangely considers the alignment of forces in the Pacific theater of operations. USA plus Japan plus ROK is the first echelon. By the way, Korea has new electric vehicles with Egis (or with Aegis, if in the old Soviet one). The second echelon is Britain and the former dominions. And the third may well become the Russian Federation.
  34. +1
    1 November 2021 09: 14
    You can't be strong everywhere. Reasonable sufficiency is needed based on current and especially future threats. In the Pacific Ocean, there are no such threats, except for Japan. And sending her ships to fight with Russia, if the latter has land missiles that shoot through the entire territory of the enemy in minutes that can turn into trash its capital and nuclear power plants, is unlikely to seduce the Japanese. China and the United States have different goals and objectives, which the author correctly noted. And then the United States is clearly not able to cope with the bulk of expenditures for maintaining the army, not to mention its re-equipment.
  35. +2
    1 November 2021 13: 30
    Everything is gone, the plaster is removed, the client leaves ...
    Well, suppose the entire Japanese fleet sailed to Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky to demonstrate the samurai spirit.
    Meanwhile, a couple of dozen calibers arrive at key points of infrastructure such as oil terminals or power plants in the Japanese rear ... and here it is no longer necessary to think about the samurai spirit, but about the fact that the country is falling in the Stone Age. So, for information, the industrial company in Japan works from wheels, that is, from the port, raw materials enter the conveyor. There is no port, no inspection of Japan. To the Arabs, the oil refinery was bent over with radio-controlled models made of matches and acorns, in spite of all sorts of patriots and were crooked.
    In the opinion of the aftar, the Pacific Fleet will heroically die solo in Tsushima2, and the rest of the troops in the smoking-room will peel and poison jokes ... we believe that this is how it will be.
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      5 December 2021 12: 34
      You can't fight samurai.
      But with the Chinese you can.
      1. 0
        6 December 2021 01: 52
        From here in more detail, my dear American spy. Will the world end without anime?
        1. 0
          6 December 2021 07: 59
          Now, if the Yapas themselves attack, then they will have to defend their lands.
          1. 0
            8 December 2021 02: 46
            No, please explain to me the thesis you expressed that you cannot fight the samurai.
            1. 0
              20 January 2022 07: 24
              Well, how!? This is the beloved wife of the United States. Beating the hegemon's beloved zhonu nizyaaa !!! True, it will be difficult for a dragon and a bear to explain, however, wild animals.
  36. 0
    2 November 2021 21: 34
    Roman srasibo!
    The article is proudly better written than the recent one about Boreas and Virginia.
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    4 November 2021 10: 41
    The author cites the obvious facts, and part of the commentators answered him with May Day slogans. They still live in the USSR.
    They don't know that now Russia's GDP is only 1,5 times the world one, that the economy has stagnated for almost 10 years, etc.
  38. +1
    5 December 2021 12: 29
    The one who will have modern anti-submarine systems in sufficient quantities + AWACS + powerful submarine fist will rule.
  39. +1
    20 January 2022 06: 45
    It’s a funny paradox that for some reason all European countries that had serious fleets didn’t need it in World War II. Everything was decided on land. In the Japan-USA-China love triangle, we have absolutely nothing to do and no reason to. breaking the defense without support from land is an extremely difficult and very expensive pleasure. Example: Landing in Normandy and on the islands against Japan. Although in both cases, the garrisons fought in almost complete isolation and without the help of the "mainland". The defense of Brest is a little different operas, but also an indicator of what a single fortified area with large-caliber surprises can do. And a hit by the same Onyx is equivalent to being hit by a cruiser’s mid-range OGK shell.