Battleship Queen Elizabeth. Noble blood frozen in metal

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In optics, the silhouette of the battle cruiser Von der Tann, bursts of volleys and torpedo breakers refracted. Battle debut off the coast of Jutland!

A quarter of a century is just a moment. The cliffs of Narvik, snow charges and flying debris of destroyers swept through the sight. Change of course - Mediterranean. Giulio Cesare is on the horizon. Volleys from extreme distances, unexpected success. The enemy retreats, leaving a plume of smoke astern.



The roar of guns shakes the coast, heavy shells fall on naval bases in Libya and Albania.

Radar contact in pitch darkness. The ship firing point-blank, tearing apart the Zara, Pola and Fiume with its main caliber.

The rays of the setting sun and stones from the Neolithic era. The last defenders of Crete. The rumble of dive bombers, antiaircraft guns. Bombs hit the deck. The new course is to the east, through the Suez Canal.

An island lost in the vast ocean. Military base or luxury yacht club? Pearl Harbor is home to jazz and a peaceful life.

Washington State Shipyard, foreign American accent. The damage has been repaired and it is not possible to return to the previous route. Japan has declared war.

The ship heads south to the beaches of Sydney, Australia. And again - the vast expanse of the Pacific and Indian oceans. The pursuit of the Japanese compound. On the lag - 160 thousand miles traveled, on the calendar - the winter of 1942, on the flagpole - "White Ensign". Royal Navy flag.

The scent of exotic spices from Ceylon and the yellow dust of the Suez Canal. Under the shots of 15-inch guns, the coast of Italy shudders. 1943, fire support for the Avalanche and Husky landing operations. Black crosses are flying in the sky, guided bombs are rushing to the ship.

Explosions and 5 tons of received water. But this is a British ship, sir. Stay in place and fight for damage. Evacuation plan: Malta - Gibraltar - Rosyth.

Sleepy morning in Normandy. Ancient guns were the first to alert the coast of the beginning of the invasion of Europe. Large-caliber land mines have plowed a section of the Svord beach.


The battleship continued to fire throughout the summer and fall of 1944, being blown up by mines and gradually moving north along the coast. His last combat mission was the shelling of targets in the Netherlands.

At this point, you should take a breath and find the right words about one of the most active ships in stories... A participant in both world wars, who went through an insane number of twists and turns.

To your attention: the battleship "Worspite" (Warspite, anger of war). One of five representatives of the Queen Elizabeth type.

Knights and aristocrats


Direct descendants in the male line of the famous "Dreadnought". With such a pedigree, every path and opportunity opened up for them.

The Queens are the oldest British battleships that took part in World War II. Designed at the beginning of the century, when boilers were fired with coal and oil was considered exotic. Two decades later, they were still considered a worthy contender.

There were reasons for that.

The offspring of noble blood had little in common with their peers from "dysfunctional families."

There will be a tough example. For interest, take a look at our "Baltic long-term construction". Supporters of the greatness of tsarist Russia will shyly look away. Meanwhile, "Queen Elizabeth" and "Sevastopol" entered service in one year (1914).

Critics and sympathizers will probably argue that "Queen" has done the same for everyone. Ostfriesland, Kaiser and the Italian Andrea Doria. All are outdated in an instant. In general, everything was normal. Until that Englishman was ahead of his time.

The Queen's level was partially "taken" only in the Bayern project. But the Germans paid for a similar main caliber with half the power of the power plant.

The Bayern series consisted of two built units. Further, during the period under review, no one attempted to build high-speed battleships with the main caliber of 381 mm. Naval commanders and engineers came up to discussing such issues only at the end of the war. And the overall balance of characteristics achieved in the Queen Elizabeth project remained the "top bar" for the entire class of battleships for a long time.


Comparison of the appearance and size of British battleships - from the "Dreadnought" to the late "Vanguard", which entered service after the end of the Second World War.

Further successes were facilitated by the era of international restrictions.

The value of the main caliber of European fleets forever stood at 15 inches. With the British himself fleet an amazing story happened. For two decades, Queen Elizabeth has retained a number of significant advantages over battleships of all new types!

The following LCs of the "Rivenge" type were planned to be made a "budget" version of the "Queens". Parity was achieved in terms of firepower, at the cost of simplifying the design and reducing speed.

Built during the interwar period, Nelson (1927) fell victim to contractual restrictions. The superiority in fighting qualities was not so obvious. "Queen" was not only faster than the new battleships, but could, for example, boast of the presence of protected extremities.

The fast-moving King George V (1939) had a congenital artillery defect. Uncertainty about international restrictions and a rush in anticipation of a "big war" led to the choice of the 14-inch main battery. That subsequently more than once or twice became the object of criticism.

Throwing with a choice of caliber had a known result. The last and most advanced in its class, the Vanguard (1946), was armed with 15-inch cannons. The ones that were created at the beginning of the century for the Queen Elizabeth project ...

Battleship Queen Elizabeth. Noble blood frozen in metal

The British 15-inch "Mark I" is considered one of the most successful large-caliber naval guns. Expectedly powerful and balanced in all the parameters that characterize such weapons.

From these cannons, the British navy smashed opponents of different eras. From the High Seas Fleet to the Kriegsmarine ships with the black swastika. Hit the walls of Turkish forts (1915) and Japanese fortifications in the Andaman Islands (1945).

In addition to the Queens, five series of battlecruisers and battleships were armed with such weapons. And each combat episode showed the following.

15 “retained importance in both world wars


In 1941, the German "Scharnhort" and "Gneisenau" refused to approach the convoy SL-67, in the cover of which the battleship "Malaya" was seen.

The two of them ran away from the battle cruiser "Repals", getting a 15-inch "blank" on the forehead. And they did not dare to approach "Ramilles". Perhaps the most "unconvincing" of the Mark I gun carriers. An outdated and not modernized battleship of the Rivenge class.

The Germans had no confidence in the imminent reprisal of these antiques. And the protracted firefight with the participation of 381-mm cannons threatened the Scharnhorst-type LK (LKR) with unpredictable and painful consequences.

The Mark I impressed even the most protected ships in history! Weaker opponents, this cannon, firing 880-kg shells, could "take out" with one hit.

In the battle at Cape Stilo, a shell fired by Worspite tore the Cesare citadel. Critical elements (ammunition, MO) were unaffected, but the destruction, debris and fires were enough for the Italian battleship to immediately slow down and withdraw from the battle. Losses in killed and wounded amounted to more than 100 people!

This incident, known as the "Calabria Shot", set a record for naval battles.

"Four battleships, seven minutes of firing - one hit."
(Admiral Cunningham)

Hitting a moving ship from 24 kilometers was an accident. But the effect of hitting an 880-kg projectile was quite expected.

The 15-inch caliber turned the Queens into the most powerful ships of the First World War. And only thanks to him, the "Queens" retained their importance during the Second World War.

Eight 381 guns fired a heavier side salvo than ten 343-mm guns from the battleships Iron Duke, King George V or Orion. In numbers: 6 kg versus 804 kg.

This circumstance made it possible to abandon the fifth main-caliber turret in the middle of the hull. The place of which was taken by the mechanisms of the power plant.

The battleship formation "Queen Elizabeth" was intended to become the "fast wing" of the line fleet, operating in one formation with the battle cruisers.

The power of the power plants at the peak exceeded 70 thousand liters. with., and the speed reached 24 knots.


The Queens' technical records left the admirals in a bad mood. To fully comply with the plan, even higher indicators were required, which were impossible for that time. Such values ​​were achieved much later, in the 1930s – 1940s. When the line between the concepts of "battle cruiser" and "battleship" was erased.

The speed did play a role. The Queens were assigned to one formation with the battlecruisers. And they were able to provide belated support to the LKR in the Battle of Jutland.

Possessing superiority in protection, the German fleet managed to inflict significant losses on the British. Victory was approaching with a "dry" score, but then next to the "Panzerkrucers" pillars of water shot up, one and a half times higher in height than the splashes from the falls of 343-mm shells.

Nice acquaintance



The illustration shows the result of a 381-mm projectile hitting the battle cruiser Von der Tann from the battleship Valiant. The shell pierced the 100-mm belt at the tip like foil and exploded inside, damaging the steering gear. The uncontrollable German "rolled out" in front of the approaching armada of British battleships, risking repeating the fate of the "Blucher" on the Dogger Bank. However, the emergency party managed to regain control. Another consequence of the hit was a torn off plate of the underwater belt. About 600 tons of water entered the hull, which led to a roll.


Damage to the battle cruiser Derflinger.

The British were too long in the euphoria of ships with 381-mm main caliber. In the 1920s, having lost the ability to lay down new battleships, they discovered that the core of the fleet was still the Kuins from the early 1910s.

In fact, the situation was not critical. The potential of "Queen Elizabeth" was enough for a long time. With timely modernization, battleships of this type fully met the requirements of the era and could even surpass competitors in some way. The power plant was changed, boules, anti-aircraft guns and modern fire control devices appeared. By 1941, the head Queen was equipped with three radars and a friend or foe radio system.

This caring attitude had its results. Unlike many younger ships, the Kings and Queens met news about the beginning of the war fully armed and full combat readiness.

Queen Elizabeth and Worspight served to the very end as ships of the line. Barham died in 1941. Malaya was damaged and was transferred to the category of training units in 1943. The Valiant lasted longer, interrupted by a non-combat incident.

The greatest fame was acquired, of course, "Worspite". Even one such fighter justified the existence of an entire Queen Elizabeth series.

In fact, each of the representatives of the series honestly fulfilled the assigned tasks. Inspired and limited the actions of the enemy in the theater of operations. Bravely endured battle wounds and snapped back fire. He covered convoys and took part in the battles of the line forces. First, in the waters of the mother country and in the Mediterranean Sea, where the Italian fleet was considered the main enemy. And in fact - saboteurs of the "black prince" Borghese and aircraft of the Luftwaffe.

The lead "Queen" and "Valiant" managed to take part in hostilities in the Pacific and Indian oceans. The last parade for Valiant came when it was being repaired. The floating dock, falling apart, almost dragged the battleship to the bottom.

Steampunk Epilogue


Time did not spare the once strongest ships. The former favorites were gradually losing their dominance. It was increasingly difficult for them to recover from their wounds, and the technical appearance had long ceased to correspond to the times.

"Queens" would not have enough speed to play the role of "boss" in the aircraft carrier groupings. Their vertical protection could still match the standards of WWII battleships, but the thickness of the armored decks left much to be desired. As the death of Barham showed, the design of the 1910s could not effectively withstand the effects of torpedo weapons... Partly because of the small size of the battleships themselves.

The Queens had no idea about the universal medium caliber. And the total electrical power of the turbo and diesel generators was almost 7 times lower than that of the American Iowas.

They continued to be considered tier 1 units due to their unique weaponry. But the saturation of the fleet with new battleships of the "King George V" class eliminated the need to continue the exploitation of veterans. In the event of damage, they tried to withdraw to the reserve. The naval enemy himself disappeared. The last of the active battleships of the Kriegsmarine was sunk in December 1943 (Scharnhorst).

All ships of this type, except for the deceased battleship Barham, were immediately scrapped after the war. But Worspight finished the most enchanting of all.

The Worspite was dying laughing at the gloom of the cutting docks. In 1947, while being towed, it ran aground and so tightly grabbed the underwater rocks that it was impossible to move it. The battleship began to be disassembled right in the water. The last remains of Worspite disappeared from view under the blows of storms and waves in 1955.



Rest at the bottom, unconquered knight

The history of the battleships Queen Elizabeth contains a lot of impressive information. But one point is interesting. In our time, it has become customary to see huge frigates armed with a water cannon and a machine gun. And the designers cannot allocate space for an extra ten missiles.

How 110 years ago it was possible to "stuff" 4 tons of weapons and 500 tons of armor, a crew of 8 people. and a steam turbine plant, which developed a capacity of half of the nuclear "Orlan", in a hull with a standard displacement of 750 thousand tons?

What capabilities would a modern missile cruiser acquire while maintaining the hull and security level of Queen Elizabeth?

I invite readers to leave their comments.

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  1. +7
    28 October 2021 06: 13
    heh, just a couple of days ago, Klim Zhukov at Puchkov's was listening to Worspite on YouTube
    1. +1
      28 October 2021 18: 34
      The video is really good, I also remembered about it. I'll attach the link:
      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ylvTs0CQ_ZQ
  2. +1
    28 October 2021 06: 44
    Eight 381 guns fired a heavier side salvo than ten 343-mm guns from the battleships Iron Duke, King George V or Orion. In numbers: 6 kg versus 804 kg.

    King George V is clearly superfluous on this list, its main battery salvo weighs 7210kg.
    1. +14
      28 October 2021 06: 53
      The British had two types of battleships called King George V, 1911 and 1939.

      The article compared Quinn with his predecessors, among which was the 5 KD1911, which had five turrets with 343 mm guns.

      You, Bormann, gave the data on the 1939 ship, with ten 356 mm
      1. +1
        28 October 2021 18: 32
        I agree, I confused the "era" a little)))
  3. +5
    28 October 2021 06: 53
    Now great importance is attached to the ergonomics of combat posts and habitability. Nobody sleeps on three or four bunk beds anymore. Well, artillery pieces with their guidance stations are much more compact than missile systems. Well, modern electronics and detection tools are actually quite large. Hence the large size of modern ships.
    1. +16
      28 October 2021 07: 05
      Now great importance is attached to the ergonomics of combat posts and habitability.

      The crew of a modern ship will be reduced by five to six times

      Ps / the size of a person is negligible against the background of the mechanisms of the ship and nothing has ever depended on the conditions for accommodating the crew. You can make a sauna and a pool or make everyone sleep while standing because of lack of space, the ship will not feel it
      Well artillery gunswith their guidance stations much more compactmissile systems.

      Check out the sweeping radius of 381 mm barrels))
      Well, modern electronics and detection tools are actually quite large.

      It's not funny for you to say that in the age of smartphones.

      Computing center of the cruiser Belfast
      1. 0
        28 October 2021 16: 22
        "author". on the artillery ships it was called the central artillery post.
  4. +19
    28 October 2021 06: 56
    Today is a holiday at VO - O. Kaptsov submitted his article to our court! fellow Yes, even in their own style, and even about battleships !! good laughing
    The Queen's level was partially "taken" only in the Bayern project. But the Germans paid for a similar main caliber with half the power of the power plant.

    Kaptsov, you need to mature at the root
    During the design, the initial design speed was reduced from 22 to 21,5 knots, which saved another 250 tons of load. However, this move seemed excessive to the Grand Admiral - he did not attach much importance to the high speed of the battleship in battle and considered 22 knots of "Kaisers" completely redundant

    wink
    It is clear that a beautiful word or phrase in an article adorns it, but the truth should not hide behind it. The Germans designed their battleships based on their views on fighting in the North Sea. Therefore, the "standard" 21-22 knots were fine with them.
    The illustration shows the result of a 381-mm projectile hitting the battle cruiser Von der Tann from the battleship Valiant.

    Yeah, only the English battle cruisers went to the bottom from 280-305mm German shells. And the fact that the German ships withstood the impact of the heavier 381mm shells speaks of more balanced combat units. I would have looked if at the time of Jutland the same "buyers" were in the ranks. "Malaya" rolled out of order and almost drowned from 305mm blanks, but get them 380mm ??? By the way, where have I seen similar what Exactly, in the unarmored superstructures of the "Eagle" from 305mm land mines after Tsushima. Oleg, not an indicator No.
    And they did not dare to approach "Ramilles". Perhaps the most "unconvincing" of the Mark I gun carriers. An outdated and not modernized battleship of the Rivenge class.

    Eh, Oleg, Oleg ... fool
    The Ramillies, the last of the Rivendjas, originally received onboard boules and was heavier. Therefore, he did not need modernization, which for the rest consisted practically only in bringing their protection parameters to the "Ramillies" Yes
    The plus article is for the mood. Well, for the beloved style of Oleg Kaptsov drinks laughing hi
  5. +6
    28 October 2021 07: 02
    Thanks to the author, good article, and analysis.
  6. +20
    28 October 2021 07: 36
    My sincere gratitude to the author for an interesting and tasty story! good
    I read with pleasure from the first to the last line. smile

    The same caliber. smile
    1. +22
      28 October 2021 08: 55


      The same guns ... and inspection :)
      1. +4
        28 October 2021 14: 18
        The world in the main does not change! There will always be cats!
      2. 0
        30 November 2021 00: 10
        Quote: stannifer

        The same guns ... and inspection :)

        good
  7. +8
    28 October 2021 07: 47
    What do you mean the Queens had no idea about the universal medium caliber?
    And what about the 114 mm gun?
    1. +11
      28 October 2021 09: 37
      Oleg, apparently, is too lazy to tell in more detail about the modernizations of the "Queens". And since he blinked at the Worspite, which had 152mm SK guns, coupled with 102mm anti-aircraft artillery, the Queen Elizabeth and Valiant station wagons, which received 114mm, remained behind the scenes smile
      1. 0
        28 October 2021 21: 54
        Quote: Rurikovich
        received 114mm station wagons "Queen Elizabeth" and "Valiant" remained behind the scenes

        The caliber of 114 mm is still difficult to call average, judging by the purpose. Even in the days of WWI against ships, this is already rather weak. However, the American, re-lightened 127 mm, can only be formally attributed to the medium caliber.
  8. +5
    28 October 2021 08: 18
    were able to provide belated support to the LKR in the Battle of Jutland.

    Because they just didn't have enough speed lol Beatty rushed so hard at his 27 nodes for the coveted prey that while the cautious Evan-Thomas was cutting corners in order to at least somehow catch up with the Germans walking on 23 nodes, they calmly thinned the ranks of obstinate British Yes
  9. +3
    28 October 2021 08: 50
    Cool article! I read it with great pleasure, the photo is also super! Thanks to the author
  10. +3
    28 October 2021 09: 05
    Worspeight is number two among the most honored ships of the 20th century. It is a pity that it was not turned into a museum.
  11. +8
    28 October 2021 09: 06
    How 110 years ago it was possible to "stuff" 4 tons of weapons and 500 tons of armor, a crew of 8 people. and a steam turbine plant, which developed a capacity of half of the nuclear "Orlan", in a hull with a standard displacement of 750 thousand tons?

    What capabilities would a modern missile cruiser acquire while maintaining the hull and security level of Queen Elizabeth?

    I invite readers to leave their comments.

    You are repeating yourself, Mr. Kaptsov. Seen for lack of ideas request
    EMNIP, more than once you have raised this topic, why then it was possible to do this, but today they do not do that, and a lot of shit was thrown onto the fan fellow And if now the discussion of why and how begins again, then in my rating of authors you will lose a number of positions for repetition.
    In short - because Oleg, then there was one weapon and there were only one means of protection against him. But times changed, another weapon appeared, and another protection was required against it. Therefore, the ships are completely different. EVERYTHING, Kaptsov, ANOTHER! I repeat exactly the same words that were said several years ago to exactly the same questions you are asking. Nothing new...
  12. -5
    28 October 2021 10: 02
    For Nelson, the designer should be sent straight to the dork. Or retrain as an iron designer.
    1. +5
      28 October 2021 10: 21
      After Jutland, the British knocked out their pants and reconsidered their views on the security of ships. In particular, linear. The lion's share of the post-Utlandic projects had a similar scheme with the aim of increasing its thickness due to a shorter belt to protect artillery.
      I personally like this avant-garde approach. Nice couple. The speed only pumped up, but this is the result of displacement restrictions. And only the fatal damage to the "Bismarck" did not allow to check the correctness of the post-Utland views embodied in life. smile hi
      1. 0
        28 October 2021 12: 34
        Yes. Hotelos bi will see Bismarck's duel with King George V and his results.
        I put bi on Bismarck.
        1. +3
          28 October 2021 12: 43
          [quote] [bi will see Bismarck duel with King George V and his results.quote]
          So he shot with the "Prince of Wales" in the Danish Strait wink
          1. +2
            28 October 2021 13: 22
            Yes, but very short and Prince of Wales got away from the fight as best he could.
          2. +1
            29 October 2021 16: 41
            Quote: Rurikovich
            So he shot with the "Prince of Wales" in the Danish Strait

            This is unaccountable - PoW at that time was LK in name only. smile
            Even the workers have not left it yet (the ship went out to sea with Vickers-Armstrong specialists on board). And the naval command of the LC can be judged at least by the fact that the practical preparation of the calculations of the main battery began less than a month before the battle - after April 27, 1941 (when Vickers-Armstrong finally handed over the towers to the fleet).
            1. +1
              29 October 2021 18: 07
              Quote: Alexey RA
              And the naval crew of the LC can be judged at least by the fact that the practical preparation of the calculations of the GC began less,

              And nevertheless, they showed an accuracy comparable to the "Bismarck".
            2. -1
              29 October 2021 18: 36
              Damn, Alexey ... this does not change the essence! Plus to them for being hit))))
    2. +3
      28 October 2021 18: 57
      Quote: sergo1914
      For Nelson, the designer should be sent straight to the dork. Or retrain as an iron designer.

      But they fit into 35000 tons ... :)
    3. +2
      28 October 2021 19: 46
      Quote: sergo1914
      For Nelson, the designer should be sent straight to the dork. Or retrain as an iron designer.


      Fuck it, cons swooped down. Does the Englishwoman shit?
  13. +2
    28 October 2021 11: 01
    What capabilities would a modern missile cruiser acquire while maintaining the hull and protection level of Queen Elizabeth?
    Near-zero, regular energy, subject to the conditions of redundancy, separation of the instrumentation and placement of cable routes, air conditioning systems (not people - electronic filling) full bottom ... God forbid, at least a couple of iPhones on the bridge would be enough ... get a modern cruiser)))))
  14. +4
    28 October 2021 11: 36
    "But this is a British ship, sir. Stay in place and fight for damage." (with)

  15. +3
    28 October 2021 12: 13
    Baltic battleships, such as "Sevastopol" were built for a specific tactical task - a battle with German battleships at the Central mine - artillery position, hence their performance characteristics. By the way, they were quite decent as of 1909, when they were laid. And when the ships were in high degrees of readiness for the hull and mechanisms, it is no longer possible to make significant changes. So, they are not that bad.
    1. 0
      28 October 2021 13: 25
      laughing
      "Sevastopoli" were designed taking into account the experience of the RYA. Therefore, firepower was at the forefront (which was achieved by creating an excellent 52-caliber artillery piece with a good 471kg projectile), for the sake of which seaworthiness was deteriorated. And from this the bike went for a walk about battleships, as about actually floating batteries. Plus, conclusions were made to ensure unsinkability. And since they decided to book the maximum freeboard area and assumed that high-explosive shells would dominate (again, conclusions from Tsushima), the armor turned out to be generally cardboard by battleship standards. Only the "Espagni" was thinner -203mm, but there was practically an armadillo's displacement ... At the time of the laying, these were still adequate ships among their peers with 305mm art. But the progress at that time was too fast ... Yes, and all the shells were used not only high-explosive, with which the 225mm armor can still be handled. So the "Sevastopols" could only hide behind minefields request
      1. +1
        28 October 2021 17: 59
        Well, the task before them was set - the defense of the Gulf of Finland, at the TsMAP. Battle cruisers were built for operations in the Baltic. Alas, the general weakness of the industry delayed the commissioning of the Sevastopoli and prevented the completion of the battle cruisers.
        1. +1
          28 October 2021 18: 32
          Quote: TermNachTER
          Well, and the task before them was set - the defense of the Gulf of Finland, at the TsMAP.

          So I don't argue with that. belay request
          At the beginning of 1907, the second stage of designing a dreadnought-type battleship began. Simultaneously with the requirements for a new warship, MGSH developed and substantiated a program for building the fleet, without which funds could not be released for the laying of the first battleships. The strategic objectives underlying this program were formulated in the MGSH report "Strategic Foundations for a Plan of War at Sea" presented to the Tsar in March 1907. This report stated that the Baltic Fleet should defend the Gulf of Finland and at the same time represent " free naval power to maintain the interests of the empire in outer waters "

          MGSh believed that the purpose of the new battleship should be "movement in the theater of operations as part of a squadron and battle in the battle line at various distances." That is why all offensive and defensive means must be developed in the ship to the greatest extent. The silhouette of the ship should not differ from other surface ships of large displacement. When designing, one should strive to reduce the affected area. A decrease in surface dimensions should be due to an increase in the underwater part of the ship, and the minimum freeboard should meet seaworthiness requirements.

          Tsvetkov, Battleships of the "Sevastopol" class
          Nowhere is it said about the CMAP. It was to her that the link appeared before WWI. And that's exactly what the dreadnoughts turned out to be. Because the TTZ was like that, with a low silhouette and seaworthiness for the Baltic conditions. And the speed was drawn at 23 knots, because it was not meant to patrol exclusively minefields. smile
          1. +1
            28 October 2021 20: 01
            The range of 1800 miles is not enough even for the Baltic, especially considering that the ships turned out to be quite "voracious". Tsvetkov's book "Battleship October Revolution" I have in the library.
            1. 0
              28 October 2021 20: 37
              I have seen 3000 miles at 12 knots more often. what
              1. +1
                28 October 2021 20: 41
                Tsvetkov describes the passage of the Parizhanka from the Baltic to the Black Sea, count the bunkering.
                1. +1
                  28 October 2021 20: 59
                  So the cruising ranges of almost all ships in the world in reality do not coincide with the calculated ones. There are too many factors involved. Therefore, I will not argue here. But estimated (i.e. ideal) are quoted at 3000 miles. Even 4000 come across. For modernized 2500-2700 miles. Therefore, in any case, there will always be less. Especially for coal (albeit mixed with fuel oil) boilers. Therefore, I would not be surprised if the real one turns out to be even smaller. Let it be the same 1800 miles. I repeat - the cruising range is too subjective. request
                  1. +3
                    28 October 2021 21: 05
                    The cruising range is one of the fundamental parameters - since it determines the area of ​​application. With a range of 1800 miles, there is nothing to do in the ocean.
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                      29 October 2021 06: 13
                      I do not argue. This is one of the main indicators. But it depends on many other factors and therefore the value is not constant for each ship separately.
                      1. +1
                        29 October 2021 11: 36
                        Agree. It also depends on the quality of the coal, on the training and endurance of the stokers, and much more.
                2. +1
                  29 October 2021 16: 49
                  Quote: TermNachTER
                  Tsvetkov describes the passage of the Parizhanka from the Baltic to the Black Sea, count the bunkering.

                  So there the question is - what course they went and how many boilers were kept under steam. And then I immediately remember "Diana", which had enough range in performance characteristics to Vladivostok, but in real calculations the coal ran out earlier, because it was necessary to keep more boilers under steam than on an economy ship. smile
                  Plus, do not forget about the storm that the squad got into.
                  1. +1
                    29 October 2021 18: 04
                    This is how anything can happen in war, or make adjustments for the storm so that the enemies do not shoot. During WWII, as well as PVM, many battles took place in stormy conditions. And nothing, they even got caught sometimes
                    1. 0
                      29 October 2021 19: 19
                      Quote: TermNachTER
                      So in war, anything can happen or make an amendment for the storm so that the enemies do not shoot.

                      No. You just need to make an amendment to the transition conditions. For the real fuel consumption at the crossing, even at the economy, and the theoretical (calculated under the most favorable conditions) are often two different things. As Comrade Khatskilevich said there ... smile
                      Theoretically, this is true, but in practice it does not give such speed.
                      1. +1
                        29 October 2021 21: 01
                        Yes, I do not argue, there is a whole bunch of factors - fouling of the underwater part, wear of the power plant, untimely cleaning of boilers, etc. actions at a short distance from their bases.
  16. +1
    28 October 2021 12: 46
    Kaptsov! How long has it been gone)
  17. +3
    28 October 2021 13: 14
    What capabilities would a modern missile cruiser acquire while maintaining the hull and security level of Queen Elizabeth?
    Extremely high operating cost. To carry all this armor, you need an expensive powerful engine that eats a lot of fuel. It used to be said that a battleship needs such an amount of fuel, which would be enough for a destroyer for the entire voyage, in order to "separate the pairs". That is, it would stand at the pier, but with a sturdy hull.
    1. +1
      29 October 2021 04: 12
      To carry all this armor, you need an expensive powerful engine that eats a lot of fuel.

      Quin needed 70 thousand

      Four gas turbines of western destroyers give out 100
      1. 0
        29 October 2021 12: 37
        Quote: Santa Fe
        Four gas turbines of western destroyers give out 100
        1. This is for full speed, all of them are not used during cruising.
        2. It is not worth comparing modern destroyers with WWII destroyers: a modern destroyer has a displacement quite comparable to that of a negotiated heavy cruiser.
        3. How many turbines will have to be added to maintain speed, if you add 3000 tons of armor to the destroyer (it makes no sense, local booking is used anyway) of armor? And how much will the VI grow?
        1. +1
          30 October 2021 08: 47
          Do not compare modern destroyers with WWII destroyers

          We compare ships of 28 thousand tons

          Nowadays, 1144 Orlan has a similar
          It needs 140 thousand hp. for 30+ nodes

          The power of the power plant is in the third degree of speed
          It is weakly related to size
  18. +4
    28 October 2021 13: 59
    And I am especially sorry that the most honored battleship "Anger of War" was simply scrapped, without even trying to leave anything in order to perpetuate his memory. And it's a pity ... !!!
  19. 0
    28 October 2021 16: 50
    Kaptsov appeared and battleships again, though somehow chaotic.
  20. Hog
    +2
    28 October 2021 18: 47
    And the overall balance of characteristics achieved in the Queen Elizabeth project remained the "top bar" for the entire class of battleships for a long time.

    Only 6 years old, in 1920, Nagato entered service, who was stronger.
    PS: The Britons themselves became disillusioned with the Queens and laid down the Rivendzhi.
    1. +1
      28 October 2021 19: 24
      Quote: Hog
      Brita themselves are disappointed in the Queens

      belay
      The battleships of the Queen Elisabeth class, which had only oil heating of boilers, seemed too daring for the British admirals. Agreeing to build a series of such ships, the Admiralty did not want to go further in the same way, so the draft shipbuilding program of 1913 provided for the construction of a series of battleships that had mixed coal-oil heating boilers. In the end, they turned out to be a step backward for the British fleet.

      The new ships were equipped with weapons similar to Queen Elisabeth, but the power plant was supposed to repeat an earlier design of ships - of the Iron Duke type. It was assumed that the speed of the new ships will be at least 21,5 knots. Reducing the speed made it possible to reduce the displacement of the new ships and, as a result, their cost, which for each ship was assumed to be 2150 thousand pounds. sterling. The return to the old boiler heating system was undoubtedly beneficial economically, but left little room for future improvements. Already the first modifications increased the displacement from 25.500 tons to 25.750, while reducing the speed from 21,5 knots to 21 knots.

      Raven, Roberts. British battleships of the types "Queen Elizabeth" and "Royal Sovereign"
      As you can see, the "disappointment" was based on the high cost of the ships and the fear of being left without oil. Rivenji are essentially cheaper Queens with a lower speed. request
    2. 0
      29 October 2021 04: 12
      In 1920, Nagato entered the ranks, who was stronger.

      Nagato was far away

      And no one knew about his real qualities until 1945
      1. 0
        29 October 2021 18: 10
        Quote: Santa Fe
        And no one knew about his real qualities until 1945

        On the basis of what is such a conclusion made?
        1. 0
          30 October 2021 08: 45
          For Nagato, the speed was stated to be 23 knots.
          1. 0
            30 October 2021 11: 11
            Quote: Santa Fe
            For Nagato, the speed was stated to be 23 knots.

            Americans knew over 24,5 as of December as of December 41st.
            And speed is one of the indicators.
            1. 0
              30 October 2021 11: 23
              as of December 41st.

              Nagato appeared in 1920

              Exact values ​​- known only after the war
              And speed is one of the indicators.

              This does not contradict the statement, Quinn set the upper bar for performance for WWII battleships and the 1920s, surpassing everyone in some way.

              Nagato remained a secret for a long time, competitors could not be guided by this project
              1. 0
                30 October 2021 11: 46
                Quote: Santa Fe
                Nagato remained a secret for a long time, competitors could not be guided by this project

                Can you clarify what exactly was the secret?
  21. 0
    28 October 2021 19: 06
    Quote: Rurikovich
    And the fact that the German ships withstood the impact of the heavier 381mm shells speaks of more balanced combat units.

    Not only. This also suggests that the British used not very successful shells. And the more powerful APC Mark IIIa (4crh - Greenboy), alas, did not arrive in time.
    1. +2
      28 October 2021 19: 17
      Quote: alsoclean
      This also suggests that the British used not very successful shells.

      This, oddly enough, is the problem of the British. Yes wink
      Pashen on "Lyuttsov" in general in the first hour of the battle fired at the "Lion" only with land mines based on the experience of Tsushima. What later regretted smile So it would be possible, and "Lion" went to the bottom. But that would be a completely different story ...
  22. +3
    28 October 2021 21: 42
    Just some kind of holiday! You can love VO for such branches.
    Thank you auto RU and camedam aka Rurikovich, TermNachTer and others who took part in the discussion of an interesting essay. The pleasure is received. hi
  23. +6
    28 October 2021 21: 51
    "The cliffs of Narvik, snow charges and flying debris of destroyers swept through the sight." - the shortest description of the second battle at Narvik. But it was an interesting close-range carnage ...
  24. 0
    29 October 2021 00: 59
    It is a pity not to smear ,, D. Cesare ,, (((No matter how many lives of Soviet sailors saved
  25. +1
    29 October 2021 06: 54
    Sho Oleg hi , practically no one wanted to discuss pouring from empty to empty?
    What capabilities would a modern missile cruiser acquire while maintaining the hull and security level of Queen Elizabeth?

    I invite readers to leave their comments.

    well, nothing happens drinks smile smile smile
    1. +3
      29 October 2021 07: 02
      Rurikovich, hello dear

      As always, informative posts from you, alas, did not even have time to comment. But I read everything with pleasure

      As for those who wish, this article has few views. Therefore, there are not enough opinions
      1. 0
        29 October 2021 07: 06
        Well yes.... what Okay good luck drinks hi I'm in slavery, sorry, to work, it's time smile
  26. 0
    29 October 2021 16: 11
    Quote: Rurikovich
    This, oddly enough, is the problem of the British.

    Of course the British. As well as silk caps, shoddy reloading compartments, an idiotic artillery training system, an inadequate target distribution system, as well as a strange command staff at the level of an admiral-commander of a ship. But this does not make the German ships better, and the British ones worse.
  27. 0
    31 October 2021 22: 11
    Quote: stannifer
    The same guns ... and inspection :)

    Gorgeous. Thanks for the photo
  28. 0
    28 November 2021 19: 50
    Thanks for the interesting article. good hi
  29. 0
    9 December 2021 23: 32
    I have noticed more than once or twice that modern warships are carried ... emptiness. What are all the displacement sizes spent on? To basketball and soccer fields on destroyers? Billiards and cinemas? Unclear. Take ANY ship of the first or even the second world war, and look at the ratio of electronics, weapons, ammo and armor to displacement, and compare this percentage with modern. And this is despite the fact that modern artillery installations, be it 57mm, 76mm, 100mm or even 127mm, do not require as many people in calculations as installations of the same caliber during the Second or First World War. And yes, the radars and sonars of the Second World War were not weightless either. Engines have become lighter and more powerful and more economical. The question is - where do designers spend tonnage? Not to mention that not the most armored cruiser - Brooklyn, with its 127mm armor belt, would be practically invulnerable to the Harpoon, Exocet, Otomat, RB15 anti-ship missiles. I have already made calculations about how many modern weapons can be stuffed into an Allen M Sumner class destroyer, and a little freaked out. Unlike Sheffield and Monsoon, made of Magnesium Aluminum alloys (which have the peculiarity of self-igniting, which is what happened), American destroyers, even after receiving a couple of 250 kg of bombs, not only did not burn out, but sometimes continued the battle. We all remember what happened to Stark. At first, the Exocet flew into Him, which did not explode, but caused a catastrophic fire (which did not happen on the American destroyers of the Second World War so that ONE hit would cause a fire of this level), then the SECOND exoset flew into it, which thought for 30 seconds and then exploded. Then everything that could be disconnected on the ship. (I repeat, WWII destroyers continued the battle, having received approximately the same damage). By the way, the destroyer Kol, when a boat with 300 kg of explosives exploded near its side, also almost sank, and without a fire. And this is the Arlie Burke class, which is almost three times larger than the Sumners (which did not always sink even after receiving a torpedo under the waterline). Neither radars with sonars, nor computers weigh so much to take all the displacement under themselves, and so that there is no room left for weapons (comparable in weight to what the ships carried then) or for armor. Just for example, 3 double-barreled 127mm Mk32 guns weighed 53,524 kg each, and these are only rigs, without elevators and without taking into account the weight of the ammo rack, and that was 472 shells PER BARREL (not for installation, but FOR BARREL). 2832 shells per destroyer, which is 25kg per shell, + 7.3kg per CHARGE. And now, count how many modern weapons you can cram just by the weight of the main battery artillery on such a boat. And this we still do not count 20-24 barrels 40mm and 11-16 20mm and their ammunition, and in addition to this there is the weight of torpedoes and TA, K gans, guide depth charges + depth charges themselves + 2 hedgehog bombers, which were wound on some of the Sumnerov (two each). Oh, yes, as far as I read, the Sumners had 25mm belt armor, 12,7mm deck armor, well, the wheelhouse + art installations also had some kind of armor. And all this (+ radar, sonar and SUAO) fit into the boat of 3300 tons of full displacement with a crew of 360 people who were also located in the ship, moreover, they had showers, and air conditioners, and the living conditions were considered good.
  30. 0
    28 December 2021 15: 24
    the Queens series is really good, although their main advantages were speed and caliber, and the defense was average - it was not suitable even against 14 inch shells.
    But for some reason the author did not write that the power of the guns really manifested itself only after the greenboy shells entered service. And the Italian was amazed just like that. And with skagerrak there were no such shells and this greatly helped the Germans withstand the shelling.
  31. 0
    6 January 2022 20: 05
    "The shooting of the Worspite was a mark all along. I followed the huge bursts of our
    381-mm volleys, covering the target, and at 16.00 noticed a huge orange flash of a strong
    explosion at the base of the pipe of the enemy flagship. A plume of smoke immediately followed and I
    realized that he received a serious hit, although the distance was simply monstrous -13
    miles. "
    Cited from Peter C. Smith's Decline of the Lord of the Seas. Publishing house "AST". Moscow.
    November 2003, XNUMX
  32. 0
    27 January 2022 01: 02
    "Supporters of the greatness of tsarist Russia will bashfully look away," - hospade, well, what a stupid aplomb ....