Pistol "Parabellum": by country and continent

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Pistol "Parabellum": by country and continent
Swiss "Luger" with a distinctive brand. Photo Alain Daubresse / littlegun.be

"Studer" with a roar, like in a pipe, rolled over the cobblestone
and drove to Balchug, to the Yauzskaya embankment.
- Gleb Yegorych, here he will leave us! Here the motor has its resource ...
But Zheglov had already laid his stomach on the window frame, leaned out,
and its long-barreled parabellum swayed in time with the jumping machine.
A. Weiner and G. Weiner, "The Era of Mercy"


History firearms weapons. Although the main goal of DWM was originally to obtain a German military contract for the supply of Luger pistols, in reality this happened only after this pistol was adopted by the armies of other countries.



So, in 1900, the armies of Bulgaria and Switzerland were the first to show interest in self-loading Luger pistols and then adopted them. Both used 7,65mm bottle-cased cartridges, designated in the United States as the .30 Luger, and had 120mm barrels. On Swiss pistols on the breech of the barrel there was a mark in the form of a cross against the background of beams diverging to the sides. The coat of arms of the Bulgarian royal house was depicted on the Bulgarian pistols. Commercial versions of this pistol were also sold in these countries.

Interestingly, the Swiss military became interested in the possibility of adopting a self-loading pistol back in June 1897, when they conducted the first tests of the Bergman and Mannlicher pistols of the 1894 models.

In 1895, the Borchardt K93 pistol was tested in Switzerland, and then the Mauser K96. It was obvious that even these rather so, say, primitive models of automatic weapons were head and shoulders above the 7,5-mm Ordonnanzrevolver revolver of 1882, which was in service with the Swiss army.

The Swiss Arms Commission did not like the K93 due to its excessive size and poor balance, but impressed it with its powerful and high-speed cartridge. It was proposed to use the "Borchardt" with a stock as a carbine in the cavalry, but then its complexity let down.

Mauser K96, by the way, was rejected for the same reasons.


Swiss Ordonnanzpistole 1900/06. Right view. Directly under the grooved washer, the reflector spring is visible, thanks to which the spent cartridges fly out to the left and up. Photo Alain Daubresse / littlegun.be

Bergmann and Mannlicher presented improved models of their pistols in October 1897, but despite the reduction in size and weight, the commission considered them too large and extremely heavy.

As a result, the Swiss planned new tests for October 1898, moreover, six samples were presented at once.

DWM presented two Luger pistols, and asked for permission to replace one of them with a new model chambered for 7,65 mm Parabellum in November 1898 before shooting trials. One of the "Lugers" was equipped with a long barrel, the other was with a short one, but both had a removable "butt holster".


Holster-butt. Photo Alain Daubresse / littlegun.be

The firing test consisted of two stages of 50 shots each, one accuracy test (50 shots at 50 m), an endurance test (400 shots one after the other, no cleaning and lubrication), and a firing test after immersion and stay in a dust bag.

And it was the "Lugers" that turned out to be the most accurate of all pistols presented for testing, and had the least misfires and delays. The commission was very positive about the "Lugers", noting that they were undoubtedly the best of all the pistols presented.

The commission named the second pistol Mannlicher.

The safety device for Roth's pistol was found unsatisfactory.

The final round of trials was scheduled for May 1899 with a prize pool of CHF 5 to the winner. DWM introduced two flag safety pistols in addition to grip safety.

The breeches have been redesigned for smoother operation and cutouts have been made in the frame to lighten the weight. These two pistols easily bypassed the Mannlicher pistol, while the Roth and Mauser pistols were withdrawn from the competition, as they had not been improved since previous tests.


1900 pistol magazine and 1939 ammunition box. Photo Alain Daubresse / littlegun.be

At the end of 1899, the Swiss military had already issued 20 pistols for field testing. At the same time, DWM was asked to reduce the weight of the weapon to 850 g. And the company tried and reduced the weight to 835 g.

This is how in Switzerland, for the first time in the world, a self-loading pistol entered service with the army, which received the official name as Ordonnanzpistole 1900. In 1906 it was replaced by the 1900/06 model, in which the old flat mainspring was replaced with a spiral one.


Marking of pistols "Luger", made in Switzerland. Photo Alain Daubresse / littlegun.be

With the outbreak of the First World War, the supply of pistols from Germany stopped, as the DWM company completely switched to supplying the German army. Therefore, the Swiss launched the production of "Lugers" at their Waffenfabrik Bern plant.

The pistol remained in production until 1933, but the Swiss believed it was too expensive for them - 235 Swiss francs per pistol, nearly double the price of an old revolver worth 120 Swiss francs. Therefore, in 1928 it was modernized.


The famous "sea model" P04 (manufactured in 1915). Royal Arsenal, Leeds

This is how the 06/29 model appeared. The unnecessary processing of the frame and receiver was eliminated, the trigger and handle guard were simplified, the grip covers and the base of the magazine were made of cheap plastic, and instead of three magazines, the soldier was now given two.


German P08 release in 1911. Left view. Total length 220 mm. Barrel length 100 mm. Empty weight 860 g. Royal Arsenal, Leeds

All of this resulted in a saving of about 30% on the unit price, meaning it now cost CHF 160.

During the depression years, DWM offered the Swiss to supply 10 new M000 / 1900 pistols for just 06 Swiss francs each, that is, at a very competitive price. However, the Swiss thought and ... refused, believing that it was better to pay a little more and leave the money in Switzerland.

As a result, production of the Model 06/29 began in 1933 and continued until 1947.


Since the production capacity of DWM on the eve of the First World War was not enough, the Erfurt Arsenal was also involved in the production of parabellums for the German army, which produced pistols with such markings. Royal Arsenal, Leeds


Among the design advantages of the parabellum was the slide delay, which left the slide in the rear position after the last cartridge had been fired. To bring it out of this position, it was necessary to remove the empty magazine and insert a full one, and move the shutter back a little. The levers will straighten and push the bolt forward. In this case, the cartridge will be fed into the chamber and the drummer will be cocked. Royal Arsenal, Leeds


Magazine and cartridge from a pistol model P08 release 1911. Royal Arsenal, Leeds

After World War II, it was planned to continue production of this pistol, it was bypassed by the 9mm SIG P49 pistol, which replaced the M 06/29 in Swiss service since 1949.

Very interesting tests of the Luger pistol took place in England. There, the Small Arms Committee (SAC) in October 1900 received from DWM six pistols with 3 rounds of ammunition, in fact, a copy of the Swiss Ordonnanzpistole 000, with flag and handle fuses.

British reactions to the pistol have been very positive. The commission noted that the pistol is well made, has a good design, it is comfortable to hold in the hand ...

Nevertheless, it was not adopted for service.

Why?

The fact is that the Victorian colonial wars led the British army to meet with opponents "addicted to drugs or religion", which often led to the fact that, already being, in fact, killed, they did not fall off their feet and something else tried to do.


1917 Parabellum with holster. Photo by LugerMan

This led the British to adopt the very powerful .455 Vebley cartridge and distrust the small bore 7,65mm rounds that the Luger fired.


P08 release of 1918. Royal Arsenal, Leeds

During testing, pine planks were used, which were placed at a distance of 1 inch (25 mm) from each other, after which they were fired from a Luger and a Webley revolver.


War is war, but no one canceled the gift samples of weapons! P08 1918 with engravings on the case and ivory grips! Royal Arsenal, Leeds

The Luger's bullets pierced 14-15 coniferous planks on average, which was significantly better than the .455 bullets, which pierced only nine. However, Luger's bullets deformed relatively little on impact and thus lost less of their energy than the softer Webley revolver bullet. Then bullets were fired at two live sheep and a pork carcass, while a doctor from the Royal Army Medical Corps examined the wounds received.


The war for the Germans, even armed with the world's best semi-automatic pistol, ended sadly, namely, like this. Their pistols became trophies of the winners, and they made them eat potatoes right from the garden!

In the end, the committee decided that the German pistol was a more accurate weapon than the British revolver, at a distance of 20 yards (18 m) and had a better rate of fire.

It turned out that a shooter with a "Luger" can fire 16 bullets, while a shooter with a revolver will have time to make only six, and that the rate of fire from a pistol may well compensate for its lower stopping power. But ... even the proposal to test new 9-mm pistols, received in January 1903, did not shake the conservatism of the British military, who still believed that the main thing for a bullet was to knock a man off his feet, throwing him into a state of shock.

And ... this is where the story of the Luger pistol in England, in fact, ended!

To be continued ...
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  1. +15
    1 November 2021 18: 24
    arechev ogorbod month

    Good evening everyone!
    Hello again, Comrade Luger!
    Photo caption: "The war for the Germans, even armed with the world's best semi-automatic pistol, ended sadly, namely like this. Their pistols became the trophies of the winners, and they made them eat potatoes right from the garden!"
    But the photo shows the Finns, the gun in the hands of the sergeant was in service with the Finnish army and was supplied from Germany.
    1. +7
      1 November 2021 18: 33
      For some reason, it always starts the opposite way! And good evening to you!
      1. +7
        1 November 2021 18: 49
        Quote: kalibr
        For some reason, it always starts the opposite way! And good evening to you!

        Thanks to the author. I read it with interest. One small note. What cartridge was the Swiss made under?
        7.65x ??? Not a Mauser one?
        1. +6
          1 November 2021 19: 10
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          What cartridge was the Swiss made under?
          7.65x ??? Not a Mauser one?

          No ... 7,65x21 Parabellum ... Although there was a Luger chambered for 7,65x17 Vrowning, this is a completely different story!
        2. +1
          2 November 2021 00: 38
          This is the shortened Borchard cartridge, 7.65x25, which was later used by the Mauser in his pistol, simply by renaming it.
      2. +5
        1 November 2021 20: 58
        Gorgeous Olegovich! hi and in the cinema, Zheglov has a revolver ... well, it doesn't matter.
    2. +10
      1 November 2021 18: 35
      And good evening to you!
      Tell me, friend, why is there an ambush around?
      Why are so many years of our life not there?
      Chamomile flowers smell like incense from hell
      And the apostle Andrew carries a Luger pistol?
      1. +8
        1 November 2021 18: 38
        Because as we all know that:
        "And in a white wedding dress
        Carry Parabellum with you. "
        Suddenly come in handy! wink
      2. +7
        1 November 2021 19: 02
        "With a crossbow in the subway, with a samurai sword between his teeth,
        In virtual armor, and more often, as a rule, without,
        Unknown to you, I soar invisibly between you
        Bright tatya in the night, among the black and white skies "(C)
    3. +11
      1 November 2021 18: 45
      There are a lot of photos with stamps about the Finnish Parabellum, I decided not to load people and posted only one.

      If anyone is interested, you can find information at this address:
      Export Parabellum Pistols - Part 2 (Luger ...)
      historypistols.ru ›blog / pistolety ... parabellum ... luger ...
    4. +4
      1 November 2021 18: 51
      You know, Konstantin, it doesn't matter who is there. The main thing is the man with the pistol and this parabellum pistol. And the situation is not very pleasant. Violence by the threat of weapons. The usual attitude of winners to losers.
      1. +8
        1 November 2021 19: 54
        And it seemed to me that ordinary Finnish guys were just playing the fool. If they order you to eat raw potatoes, you will eat them, albeit at gunpoint. A joke of humor. laughing
        1. ANB
          +2
          1 November 2021 23: 11
          ... They will order you to eat raw potatoes - you will eat them

          In Leningrad, they ate it voluntarily. A good remedy for scurvy.
          1. +2
            1 November 2021 23: 13
            Drake figured it out, that's why he brought it to Europe.
      2. +10
        1 November 2021 20: 38
        Quote: kalibr
        The usual attitude of winners to losers.

        The usual military banter and yumor ... lol lol lol
        В the right the hand of a soldier in a helmet - pistol, it can be seen with a small increase in the photo. Obviously, no one would break the gum - having an enemy with a weapon
        1. +2
          2 November 2021 02: 42
          Sergei is a diamond eye, but I did not pay attention. smile
          The pistol is clearly a captured Mauser S96, it seems to be a holster from it, but the bayonet does not seem to be from the Canadian Ross rifle.

          And yet, maybe someone will guess what kind of "garbage" he has in his left hand, what kind of shoulder strap is fastened to his left pocket, and what is the chevron on the cuff of the left sleeve again?
          In Olegych I set a task. laughing
          1. +1
            5 November 2021 16: 07
            And they are not Finns at all ... They are British!
            - On the left is a corporal, and on the right is a warrant (ensign) ... on the sleeve is an imperial crown in a wreath.
            1. 0
              5 November 2021 16: 11
              Canadians have found out already. smile
    5. +18
      1 November 2021 18: 55
      But the photo shows the Finns
      I can’t resist writing, not without pride - my father was there, he even brought skis with the marking of the Winter Olympics of St. Moritz! Another silver cigarette case and the same "Luger"!
      This is not him in the photo, this is from the Internet. After the war, my older brothers lost him at cards.
      1. +5
        1 November 2021 19: 19
        Hmmm ... Comrade Crow, please explain?
        1. +9
          1 November 2021 19: 52
          What exactly? How did they lose at cards? Usually, after the war, for lack of money, they played with everything that was available, including captured weapons.
          1. +4
            1 November 2021 20: 02
            The St. Moritz Olympics took place in 1948, did your father take part in it?
            1. +11
              1 November 2021 20: 11
              The St. Moritz Olympics took place in 1948
              He did not participate, he just brought his skis home as a trophy ... One is still preserved - I just do not know how to photograph and upload photos on the Internet so as not to be accused of lying. an article from the memoirs of a German fighter pilot, but there I cited the cover of his book as confirmation.
              1. +4
                1 November 2021 20: 21
                It is a pity, of course, that the brothers lost, otherwise they would now be the owner of a rather rare car. I wonder how much your father bought it from the doormen? smile

                There, next to the DWM brand, there was also a local, Swiss one.
                1. +11
                  1 November 2021 20: 28
                  I didn't buy it, but took it as a trophy along with a cigarette case from some Finnish officer!
                  1. +10
                    1 November 2021 20: 54
                    It seems to me that it finally dawned on me: it was the Finn who participated in the Winter Olympics in St. Moritz and had the misfortune to meet your dad, and skiing and everything else was his rightful trophy. Ufff ...
              2. +5
                1 November 2021 20: 50
                With all due respect, comrade Crowe, what year of manufacture are you? Without any ulterior motives. I am 1973.
                1. +4
                  2 November 2021 02: 45
                  Anton, apparently Crowe and I are almost the same age. smile
                  1. +4
                    2 November 2021 05: 56
                    I didn't want to offend anyone. If, contrary to expectations, I offended comrade Crowe, I offer my sincere apologies!
                    1. +3
                      2 November 2021 05: 58
                      I think that you did not offend anyone. smile drinks

                      And what do we have today? Nothing to read?
                      1. +3
                        2 November 2021 06: 05
                        Well, you've already read Yuferev.
                      2. +4
                        2 November 2021 06: 10
                        And there are only two lines. I and Tatra next door made a compliment. wink
                      3. +2
                        2 November 2021 06: 21
                        If "there" is about Yuferev, then the article is about nothing at all. Especially in comparison with the cycle of Shpakovsky two years ago.
                      4. +2
                        2 November 2021 07: 09
                        No, it's Samsonov's, the devil pulled his hand.
    6. +8
      1 November 2021 19: 23
      Crap! I reloaded the page nine times to wish a good evening and thank Vyacheslav Olegovich for continuing!
      1. +7
        1 November 2021 19: 37
        Crap! I reloaded the page nine times,
        Something is happening ...
        1. +5
          1 November 2021 19: 43
          I contacted the site administration. They promised to do some work to improve soon.
          1. +4
            1 November 2021 19: 47
            In the summer of 2018, there was a Great Upgrade of the Resource, since then the jambs and fixes.
        2. +5
          1 November 2021 19: 58
          This has been happening for a long time. request
          Hello Anton!
    7. +10
      1 November 2021 19: 28
      But the photo shows the Finns

      The photo shows Canadians. 1916 year. Poperinge, West Flanders, Belgium. Photo by famous British photographer Ernst Brooks.
      1. +6
        1 November 2021 20: 12
        Vic, you are right, I burst smile , in the photo Canadian guys are playing "Vanka".
        In the buttonholes, like regimental insignia, do not know whose, which unit?
        1. +9
          1 November 2021 21: 14
          In the buttonholes, like regimental insignia, do not know whose, which unit?

          It is necessary to look for which division of the Canadian Expeditionary Force was stationed on June 14, 1916 in the Poperinge region, in Belgium.

          The same soldiers as in the previous picture are having lunch.
          1. +7
            1 November 2021 21: 31
            It looks like they also stuck a potato on the German infantry helmet instead of the "shishak". laughing
            1. +5
              1 November 2021 21: 43
              No, it's wet sand.
              1. +4
                1 November 2021 21: 49
                And not laziness, humorists, however. laughing
                1. +4
                  1 November 2021 22: 01
                  Obviously, in those conditions, people had to somehow be distracted from the surrounding reality. Hence the humor.

                  1. +5
                    1 November 2021 22: 11
                    Yes, that's right, otherwise you can go crazy.


                    Although the last photo ... we served ourselves, we know what a soldier's toilet is.
        2. +1
          5 November 2021 16: 52

          - Battalion .. On the left like "eight" ... If so, then fighters from the 8th battalion, the regiment of the Royal Winnipeg Riflemen, "Little Black Devils".
          - And on the sleeve there may be a machine gunner's patch "Lewis Ganner"
          1. 0
            5 November 2021 17: 49
            Thank you, namesake, I didn't know about the machine gun patch. smile
            1. +1
              5 November 2021 17: 59
              - smile Actually, this is a stripe for a military specialty ... including a "machine gunner"
    8. +4
      2 November 2021 01: 58
      But the photo shows the Finns, the gun in the hands of the sergeant was in service with the Finnish army and was supplied from Germany.
      Dear, where did you see the Finns here ?!
      And about:
      a gun in the hands of a sergeant
      There have never been such sleeve insignia in the Finnish army, these are the stripes of a purely British (or Canadian) sergeant! Both characters are wearing uniforms of the British cut (which still had a place in the subordinate British queen, Canada), which are completely uncharacteristic of Finnish formations! Both are obviously joking while posing in front of the camera. They also stuck something on the German stahlhelm ..., like erecting a kind of pickelhelm laughing
      1. +2
        2 November 2021 02: 55
        Dear, where did you see the Finns here ?!


        What does behold mean? Am I a kid for you or what? Is it really impossible to get nasty without?

        By the way, everything was sorted out long ago and without Lice's help, the comments must be viewed to the end so as not to shake the air in vain.
        1. 0
          2 November 2021 23: 57
          Dear ! If for you a completely simple (never abusive) literary term "saw" is something offensive and you are so vulnerable, then excuse me! recourse
          Well, and to indicate to me that I (it turns out), having seen someone's specific jamb, should also review the entire correspondence (and did someone there already answer on this topic?! ...), sorry, YOU DO NOT WORK !
  2. +7
    1 November 2021 18: 50
    Luger's bullets pierced 14-15 coniferous planks on average, which was significantly better than .455 bullets pierced only nine

    exactly "coniferous boards"?
    14-15 boards is more of a rifle cartridge indicator

    interestingly, such a test method was apparently widespread enough

    Here, for example, what the well-known Andrey Ulanov writes
    In July of the victorious 1945, the specialists of the Main Artillery Directorate of the Red Army decided to summarize the results obtained during the war years and supplement them. For this, 36 samples of weapons captured and received from the allies under Lend-Lease were tested for penetration of various obstacles.
    At the first stage, the shooting was carried out at a "package" of pine boards 25 mm thick with gaps between the boards also 25 mm. 10 shots were fired from each unit of the tested weapon for different distances. then credited (that is, completely through) holes were counted.
    The first group included pistols. Of these, the shooting was carried out at a distance of 25 and 50 meters.
    At 25 meters, the "Luger" stably pierced 4 boards, and the 7th barrier became the last for his bullets - 4 penetrations out of 10. For a distance of 50 meters, only one bullet coped with the 7th board.
    “Walter” was a little more “punchy”. At 25 meters, he made 10 holes in the 5th row of boards, and left 7 more holes in the 8th board in the row. But at a distance of 50 meters, they almost caught up with the “Luger” - in the 7th board they counted only two test holes.

    read more at Kalashnikov.media
    1. +3
      1 November 2021 21: 12
      Quote: Flood
      Details

      When translating, you can make a mistake in terms, but the numbers are also numbers in England ... what was written is what I wrote ... Information on the books on the basis of which all this will be written will be at the end of the cycle.
    2. 0
      6 November 2021 23: 22
      "In July 1945 victorious ..."
      Angles tested barrels in caliber 7.65x21
      GAU in 45 in caliber 9x19
      in terms of initial speed and penetration, these are two big differences, as they say in Bobruisk, 7.65x21 in this regard will be more effective
      1. 0
        7 November 2021 06: 24
        Quote: vick vickers
        these are two big differences, as they say in Bobruisk

        don't tell me double

        from the same source
        The TT taken for comparison at 25 meters 10 times coped with the fifth board, and the last obstacle for him, as well as for Walther, was the 8th - two test holes. On the other hand, TT “bypassed” the German at a distance of 50 meters - he managed to break through the 8th board here, however, only once.

        However, the leader was not even a TT, but a different pistol - however, firing the same Soviet cartridges. Among the captured pistols, two Star pistols were found - recorded in the report as French, although in fact they were two Spanish copies of the entire 1911 Colt. when shooting at a distance of 9 meters, he gave 7,63 penetrations in the 25th row, and with one bullet made a hole even in the 10th board


        what will Bobruisk say to this?
        1. +1
          7 November 2021 10: 46
          I don't know what Bobruisk will say, I haven't been there for ten years smile , but cartridges 7,65x25 Borchard, 7,62x25 TT (aka 7,63x25 Mauser) and 7,65x21 Parabellum are approximately the same in terms of characteristics and their penetrating power is higher than that of 9x19 parabellum, which Parabellum and Walter fired at the aforementioned tests of the 45th year, hence, in fact, the result, as for Star, is a very decent barrel, I had a chance to shoot from a similar Spaniard (though it was an Astra in caliber .32ACP, but they were made at the same plant as far as I know) excellent "contribution into the hand ", does not leave the aiming line, you shoot like a small thing; in a TT-shnom caliber it will be stiffer, of course, but I think not much, after all, the M1911 in any caliber is good, as for Star's result in this test, the relative length of the barrel (in calibers) plays an important role in short-barrels, while in Star it is larger ... As an example: PM - barrel length 93mm-10cal. - bullet speed 315 m / s; APS-barrel length 140mm-15,5kal-bullet speed 340 m / s (already supersonic), and the cartridge is the same Yes
          1. 0
            7 November 2021 10: 50
            So you agree that 14-15 pistol-caliber boards are outrageous penetration?
            because I see no more subject for dispute.
            1. +2
              7 November 2021 11: 08
              And who is arguing? smile Even a dozen planks (25.4 cm in total) is very good for a short barrel, and 15 (38 cm) is an unnecessary "beyond", the pistol is not intended for such "feats", for this there are other weapons and other ammunition. We are not robocops to shoot through walls Yes Apparently you and I initially did not quite understand each other correctly. smile I meant some incorrect comparison of the tests that the Angles carried out at the beginning of the century and the GAU in the 45th - the cartridges are different, the results are also the same.
              Happy holiday to you!
              1. 0
                7 November 2021 11: 10
                Quote: vick vickers
                Happy holiday to you!

                Thank! Mutually!
  3. +5
    1 November 2021 19: 03
    In the film, Zheglov was with a revolver. Didn't find the long-barreled parabellum?
    1. +9
      1 November 2021 19: 08
      Quite right! “... But Zheglov had already laid his stomach on the window frame, leaned out, and his long-barreled parabellum swayed to the beat of the jumping machine ...
      he was waiting for something, and the shot rang out completely unexpectedly. The Studer ahead jerked, dodged, but continued to pick up speed.
      And again the black pistol barrel swayed slowly, and a drop of fire suddenly fell from it, and again - once and again! He spat with fire.
      The engine roared dully, old cylinders were howling along the pavement, somewhere far away a tram rang and the trill of a police whistle flashed through.
      And on the spot, killing all these sounds, the night cracked in a row with several new shots: Zheglov was shooting in a series ... "
      1. 0
        3 November 2021 00: 23
        - Tomorrow an ambush awaits us at the safe house. We'll have to shoot back. We are glad to meet you in this disturbing atmosphere!
        -Yeah!
        - .....
        - They hope to take us alive, children! They don't know that there are three of us now. I'll give you parabellum. We will retreat to the mountains. Can you cover us? .....
  4. +5
    1 November 2021 19: 23
    The reflector spring is visible directly under the grooved washer, thanks to which the spent cartridges fly out to the left and up

    I will clarify a little. This knot is simply called a reflector. There is no spring in it.

    Barrel and receiver: 16 - barrel, 17 - receiver, 18 - trigger with spring, 19 - disconnector with spring and pin, 20 - reflector.
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  6. +6
    1 November 2021 19: 37
    "... The DWM company presented two Luger pistols, and asked for permission to replace one of them with a new model chambered for 7,65 mm Parabellum cartridges in November 1898 before shooting trials ..." Vyacheslav Olegovich. And you read an article by a certain Shpakovsky "Luger's pistol - the heir to Borchardt's pistol". It says "... until 1904 in some European countries this weapon was called the Borchardt-Luger pistol ... However, this pistol also became known by its commercial name" Parabellum ", which was the second part of the famous Latin phrase: Si vis pacem, para bellum ("If you want peace, prepare for war"), which belonged to the Roman military writer Flavius ​​Vegetius, and the cartridge for this pistol received the same name and was registered under him: 9x19 Parabellum ... "The name" Parabellum " offered this pistol the commercial director of the company AFTER Georg Luger modernized the cartridge 7,65 * 22, cutting off the neck of the bottle-shaped case. As a result, it became cylindrical. And the caliber was 9mm. Shpakovsky, by the way, knows this, he is writing about 1904.
  7. +6
    1 November 2021 19: 50
    Thanks to the author! I have never been a fan of pistols, but because of the brutal appearance I took up reading and liked it! I look forward to continuing. I will find a pneumatic version I will definitely buy laughing .
    1. +3
      1 November 2021 20: 46
      Quote: aybolyt678
      Thanks to the author! I have never been a fan of pistols, but because of the brutal appearance I took up reading and liked it! I look forward to continuing. I will find a pneumatic version I will definitely buy laughing .

      In vain! Pneumatics is like a children's toy that does not convey the full sensation of a pistol (revolver)!
      1. +3
        1 November 2021 21: 09
        Quote: non-primary
        In vain! Pneumatics is like a children's toy that does not convey the full sensation of a pistol (revolver)!

        never fired with a good PSP pneumatics? and as for the pistol, high accuracy is secondary there, a melee weapon pistol where in 2 seconds you need to hit 5 cans at 10 steps. Balance is important, normal self-cocking ... I am not even interested in the firearm, I am already in my sixties.
        1. +3
          1 November 2021 21: 23
          Quote: aybolyt678
          never fired with a good PSP pneumatics?

          I'm not interested in this, but I respect your position!
          Quote: aybolyt678
          I am not even interested in the firearm, I am already in my sixties.

          Give me a firearm! (lately it has become very problematic!) I don’t understand, about the sixth decade? If this is age, then I have only a year left before my former pension.
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            1 November 2021 21: 49
            we are practically the same age! smile you will type pneumatics PSP capabilities in the search bar. Be very surprised. The trouble with the new law. But there is such a toy Kral Puncher Van. It has no design changes, alterations give out a bunch of 5 cm by 70 meters.
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              1 November 2021 22: 22
              Thanks! But I'm better out of habit ... all the same with ...? I don't remember how old I fired a 12-gauge for the first time. But at the age of 10 I was already shooting a doublet. You spelled correctly "toy Carl Puncher Van"! I don't know what it is, and to be honest ... otherwise I would have climbed into the search engine.
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    4 November 2021 19: 37
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    6 November 2021 21: 43


    The thing made in 1918. Withdrawn ... ehh .. crying