UAZ-80 years old: a requiem for the Ulyanovsk Automobile School

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Modern army UAZ-315108. An example of the aesthetics of the Soviet period. Source: autodata1.com

MWM Spartan EV as the beginning of the end


В previous section stories it was about the glorious past of the Ulyanovsk Automobile Plant. In the future, we will definitely talk about interesting UAZ models that happened in the history of the enterprise.

But now about the current deplorable state of the manufacturer of off-road equipment.



The 80th anniversary is a significant date that requires something extraordinary from the hero of the day. Nothing of the kind was demanded from the automobile plant in Ulyanovsk, they only expected a new car. Not just another modernization of the Patriot, which is, in fact, a slightly combed version of the UAZ-3151, but a new car capable of competing at least with used foreign cars of its class.

As a result, the factory workers are rolling out the electric reincarnation of the ancient UAZ-469 (in the modern reading "Hunter") under the name MWM Spartan EV. At first glance, here is a long-awaited breakthrough - in Ulyanovsk they are mastering the production of a new generation of equipment.

However, further investigation yields unexpected results.

Firstly, the electric "UAZ" is far from a serial copy, but only a "letter of intent." Only a couple of them were built.

Secondly, it was assembled not in Ulyanovsk, but in the unfriendly Czech Republic. It turned out to be a kind of prefabricated hodgepodge: the body and individual transmission elements - from Russia, batteries and electric motors - from China, put together and tuned - in the Czech town of Chernivtsi.












Electric "Hunter" from the Czech Republic. Source: spartan.mwmotors.cz

Further, it is even more exciting - most of the MWM Spartan equipment does not make for the Czech Republic, but rearranges the steering wheel and sells it to the UK.

The converted into an electric car "Hunter" in Europe is ready to sell at a price of 40 thousand euros, which is equivalent to 3,2 million Russian rubles. There is also a gasoline MWM Spartan RHD Petrol with a right-hand drive and a price of 19,7 thousand euros (about 1,6 million rubles).

Such a technique, perhaps, is in a certain demand in Foggy Albion, but we will clearly not be needed by anyone.

In general, the scheme is at least confusing and does not have clear market prospects under any circumstances. Nevertheless, the UAZ managers did not hesitate to show this pre-production miracle at anniversary events.

There are a lot of questions, apart from the sky-high prices, to the Czech electric "Hunter".

First of all, where can you go on a 150-kilometer range?

This heavy frame SUV with army roots, overcoming the Karakum desert in its best years, is forced to ride around the nearest charging stations. The developers of the MWM Spartan EV did not particularly bother themselves with engineering delights, they simply removed the standard ZMZ-40906 engine and installed a 163-horsepower electric motor with a lithium-ion battery. The checkpoint, transfer case, bridges and cardans - the relatives of the UAZ remained. Only now the torque of the Chinese motor is almost three times more than the standard one, and this will not in the best way affect the durability of the transmission. As eyewitnesses say, a UAZ with an electric heart instantly breaks from its place, exposing the nodes to shock loads.






MWM Spartan EV at the anniversary show. Source: autoreview.ru

It is no coincidence that Czech engineers endowed the MWM Spartan EV with such agility.

The traction capabilities of electric vehicles are in direct proportion to the battery charge level - the more the discharge, the less torque is transmitted to the wheels. For compact city electric cars, this is not a critical problem and mainly affects the responsiveness of the car.

But the SUV is more difficult. Imagine that there are still 20 kilometers to the cherished charging column, with only 30 kilometers left in the battery.

Will the car be able to overcome another limp forest track on a dying battery?

Therefore, the Czechs supplied the MWM Spartan EV with an excessively powerful motor and battery, in the hope of neutralizing the critical drop in thrust at the end of the 150-kilometer run on a single charge. By the way, a powerful three-phase electric motor, installed just above the front axle, is a very controversial solution for a car that can overcome a half-meter ford.

In general, the demonstration of the electric "Hunter", and even assembled in a NATO country for the 80th anniversary of the automobile plant, looks, if not a grin, then just a disregard for history.

However, there is nothing more to show to Ulyanovsk.

Missed Opportunities


The main problem of UAZ is the lack of a model with a margin for modernization in the range.

"Hunter" is now not even a car in the usual sense of the word, but is, together with the "Loaf", a truck of the N1G category. Such a trick made it possible to leave the car on the market and not equip it with an airbag, which is mandatory for passenger cars.

The production volumes of the civilian "Hunter" worth under 1 million rubles are so small that marketers do not dare to adapt new units for the car - the gearbox and the engine. Hunter's vehicle type approval expires next year and the SUV is likely to leave the scene. Only the military version of the UAZ-315108 with a turbodiesel and a traditional soft top will remain on the assembly line.

The Patriot family is now at an impasse and has been interrupted by minor upgrades for more than 20 years. The last important change was the automatic PUNCH Powerglide 6L50 gearbox from France. The cost of the new Patriot with such a transmission has already exceeded 1,5 million rubles.

Here, in fact, that's all.

Further, any modernization will entail a serious restructuring of the design, and hence the production technology. According to autoreview.ru, the adaptation of the Ford Puma diesel will require a frame redesign. Imported diesel, by the way, is now being prepared to be produced at the Sollers plant in Naberezhnye Chelny. Sollers controls UAZ, as well as Ford Sollers, for which it is developing a new diesel engine.

A ghostly hope may be the Chinese 110-horsepower diesel Weichai, which seems to be included in the engine compartment of the Patriot. But, apart from the exhibition car at the current exposition of "Comtrans", there are no more details.


The Patriot family is an elegant, but dead-end development direction. Source: avtovesti.com

For another four years, automotive experts talked with hope about the upcoming "Russian Prado", the fruit of the joint work of UAZ and Peter the Great St. Petersburg Polytechnic University.

The first prototypes were supposed to appear last year, but there are still no computer images. And, most likely, it will not - now UAZ is deprived of its own scientific and technical center, and the engineering center in the head Sollers has been abolished.

This is largely due to small production volumes - with a planned annual capacity of 100 thousand cars, no more than 30-40 thousand come out of the UAZ gates. At the same time, no more than 17 cars (that is, cargo) "Hunters" and "Patriots" thousand - everything else is equipment for government agencies and commercial trucks.

Since 2017, the car plant has been demonstrating a slow but steady decline in production volumes.

Who here wants to invest in new models?


The failed killer of the Gazelle is the UAZ Profi. The car, first of all, lacks a modern diesel engine. Source: mir-auto24.ru

This is not to say that the management did not try to pull the UAZ out of the hole into which it slowly but surely descends.

Several years ago, they decided to create a competition for Gazelle from Nizhny Novgorod. They made a truck "Profi", removed the front drive axle and ... failed in sales. Even foreigners, not to mention newcomers to this segment, do not dare to fight in a highly competitive market with GAZ itself.

As a result, the residents of Ulyanovsk lost time and money that they could well have invested in modernization.

For example, in Russia there is still no replacement or even a competitor for Bukhanka. There is nothing to change in the army the UAZ-315108 already mentioned above.

Many will say that an archaic construction of almost sixty years ago will be fine for the military. Indeed, the military environment is famous for its conservatism, but not to the same extent.

It is not always convenient to compare domestic equipment with imported counterparts, but it is often very clear.






German UAZ. Source: autoreview.ru

An example of the evolution of army construction is demonstrated by the Germans with the latest Mercedes-Benz G-Class of the 464 family.

The G-class is much younger than the bonneted UAZ - the first prototypes appeared in the 70s, but the options for the military by 2021 managed to turn into high-tech working tools. And although the total mass of the G-class is almost a ton more than the UAZ, they may well be considered conditional analogues.

"Nemets" is equipped with a turbodiesel of 249 liters. with., an eight-speed automatic transmission and can be supplied to the army both in a five-door version and in a chassis version for superstructures.

By the way, it was the competitor from the Bundeswehr at the end of the 80s that the Ulyanovsk people were guided by when they developed SUVs as part of the Wagon ROC. For obvious reasons, this topic was abandoned in the 90s, but for completely incomprehensible reasons, it was never revived in the hearty 2010s.

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  1. +15
    20 October 2021 18: 20
    How much has already been written and said. But since the 60s, Kozlik has practically not changed. The patriot could not give what everyone expected of him - reliability. Same bolted trough as big brother. And so I stayed in the row of "pull up, twist, mean", etc. The great Zhvanetsky wrote about such products in his monologue in the 80s. But their overseas "partners" kept pace with the times. And Jeep is in full swing with an engine for Euro-5 and 6, and Toyota has recently issued a 3.5-liter engine with 415 hp
    1. +1
      20 October 2021 19: 02
      Do you have a patriot?
      1. +12
        20 October 2021 20: 27
        Quote: kosmos84
        Do you have a patriot?

        You don't have to own it to understand what kind of junk it is. Gaps walk, painting and anticorrosive guamno, oil seals seem to be absent, the body rots faster than a fence made of a cheap profiled sheet. negative
        The loaf would be better galvanized, there would be no price.
        1. +6
          21 October 2021 03: 28
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          You don't have to own it to understand what kind of junk it is. Gaps walk, painting and anticorrosive guamno, oil seals seem to be absent, the body rots faster than a fence made of a cheap profiled sheet.

          Well, I have a Patriot since 2008, I do not understand why he is worse than the neighboring Prado. Only by the fact that I do not drive it to the service?
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          The loaf would be better galvanized, there would be no price.

          Quote: Ingvar 72
          The loaf would be better galvanized, there would be no price.

          Here I agree - there is no price for a loaf ...
          1. +5
            21 October 2021 09: 04
            Quote: Fitter65
            Well, I have a Patriot since 2008, I do not understand why he is worse than the neighboring Prado.

            Are you seriously? How does Pradik relate to corrosion? Are the oil seals also snotty? wink
            PS I was a Patriot in the service while they were doing something to me. hi
            1. +1
              21 October 2021 12: 23
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              How does Pradik relate to corrosion? Oil seals are also snotty

              I did not climb under Pradik, but about the oil seals here, yes, he complains. Well, they told him to put the normal ones, don't take the Chinese bullshit ...
          2. 0
            23 November 2021 06: 06
            Why is a patriot worse than Pradik? Eeeee how to put it mildly .... Everyone!
            The new patriot in terms of comfort and functionality can only be compared with the light 7 line of the Prado, all later models, this is a spaceship in comparison with a horse-drawn carriage.
            In terms of reliability and general engineering component, including cross-country ability, the word patriot is somehow disgusting and disgusting to write next to Prado. This is a complete technical squalor, on a photo of an almost perfect design.
            The UAZ was not intended for any Russian expanses, not when, its destiny is a trip to a neighboring village (preferably no further than 50 km) so that it would not be so far to go on foot for spare parts. There are no prospects for the entire existing model range of this office. And no one needs its "maintainability", now people do not have so much free time that once a week, for half a day, to repair an UAZ, even for 200 rubles.
            There is no potential in it either, it is already all at the limit in the drain, any modernization towards off-road, causes in it an irreversible chain reaction of destruction of all accompanying nodes. As a result, the UAZ prepared for off-road in fact turns into a Kruzak, or Patrol, with scraps of the UAZ body stretched over it.
            1. 0
              23 November 2021 12: 29
              Quote: 0389db
              In terms of reliability and general engineering component, including cross-country ability, the word patriot is somehow disgusting and disgusting to write next to Prado. This is a complete technical squalor, on a photo of an almost perfect design.

              As I understand it, you had a UAZ, or maybe even a Patriot?
              1. 0
                23 November 2021 12: 34
                There was an UAZ, about 13 years old already Toyota, several friends have patriots. I travel and ride to distant places a lot and some of them collide with these machines. So what about the "maintainability" of the UAZ and its off-road capabilities I know not from YouTube videos.
                1. 0
                  23 November 2021 13: 12
                  Quote: 0389db
                  So what about the "maintainability" of the UAZ and its off-road capabilities I know not from YouTube videos.

                  Happy for you. My friend also has a Japanese woman - the 200th Kruzak, but we go fishing in his "Borisyche", the former collector's "loaf" -2014. Previously on my Petrovich, before that on his NIVE. There are also a couple of acquaintances who travel with us to Chigir, one on Sotk does not give a fuck to him, but there are also a couple who ask us to go mountain fishing in Chigir, notut an option either in Borisych, or if there is a lot in my Petrovich. One has a Pyzhik, the second is a Prado-type sucker for a thousand nineteen hundred years - and what ... another friend in general in the Urals, type 4320, runs to a fisherman, another in Delika, another one has something like a GTLka in Polina, he goes there on PATRIOTE (really sounds dumb) although he rides around Komsomolsk on Nadka. The fact that you have a 13-year-old Japanese woman, and what? Well, you can't buy something new, so what's the problem? Someone likes the New UAZs, someone is a shabby Japanese woman, someone takes a Rolls-Royce. What is the problem? DO NOT like it, do not take it. No one, after all, at gunpoint does not force. For fun - but you can't take a normal Loaf on the secondary housing, they sell such old stuff, and at such a price ...
                  1. 0
                    24 November 2021 04: 24
                    It’s not that you don’t like it, don’t take it, but that no one needs a new UAZ for that kind of money. And you just very correctly described one of the few consumer niches for the Oise. Several times a year, somewhere in the pampas, go on it. Are you ready to buy yourself a new UAZ for these purposes, and your friends? And the most curious thing is that if there weren't deshman UAZs on the secondary, you and your friends would buy yourself the same patrol, or an eighty, and would be much more comfortable to ride in your favorite places.
                    Well, what about the massive fetish about new cars. At least 90% of people buying a new car in tribute to fashion and "status" never afford it, and the most curious thing is that almost none of them really need it.
                    I can quite afford a new car up to 2 LAMs, while not sacrificing anything and even almost not on credit, but I drive a 1991 Toyota Surf. At the same time, everything more than suits me, the car fully fulfills its functions, in warmth and dryness it moves me in space in the directions I need.
                    1. 0
                      24 November 2021 12: 10
                      Quote: 0389db
                      It’s not that you don’t like it, don’t take it, but that no one needs a new UAZ for that kind of money. And you just very correctly described one of the few consumer niches for the Oise. Several times a year, somewhere in the pampas, go on it. Are you ready to buy yourself a new UAZ for these purposes, and your friends?
                      Oddly enough, they take it, once my Petrovich was only the fifth in the city, and a few years ago even a salon selling UAZs opened on Polyarnaya. And if you did not meet a Patriot on one kilometer of the road, then consider that the road was blocked. People take all sorts of different UAZs. And they are quite happy with it if the machine fulfills its functions. I have Petrovich 13 years old, 2008, I am also satisfied with almost everything in him, I move in the directions that I need, in warmth and dryness. hi
        2. +1
          21 October 2021 05: 19
          I did not expect another answer. Nobody has it, but everybody haut it
          1. +3
            21 October 2021 12: 24
            Quote: kosmos84
            I did not expect another answer. Nobody has it, but everybody haut it

            I have it and I like it.
      2. +14
        20 October 2021 22: 12
        Do you have a patriot?

        To understand why this happened with the UAZ, you need to look at the basis.
        And the basis in the car is the engine, it is he who determines all the technical characteristics of the car. That is, it sets the range of capabilities of the car. It is around the engine that a car is built, and not first we build a car, and then we think about which engine to cram there.
        When our "partners" want to prevent any country from developing, they first of all look at the root of opportunities, and try first of all not to let the root appear, with all the ensuing consequences. Because a branchy tree of a powerful industry can appear from the root, and then not to fight with the branches (consequence), they cut the root (cause), thereby breaking the causal relationship.
        For a deep understanding of this essence, I will give the example of Israel, how it goes to various tricks (up to the murders of key scientists), only to prevent the development of Iran's atomic projects.
        So, the key industries in the industry are machine tool building, electronics, and engine building - this is the basis, foundation, root. Without them, the development of industry to the level of the leading countries of the world is simply physically impossible. And it is enough to create obstacles in these three sectors (following the example of the Iranian nuclear program) for the country to never develop (cut the root).
        The USSR could rivet tanks in tens of thousands of units - the West did not interfere with this, but the development of new engines immediately ran into opposition from the West.
        So, the USSR came to 1991 with an outdated machine park (new projects had not been developed for 10 years) (and the machines at least were), electronics obsolete by 15 years, and engine building obsolete by 50 years - it's funny to say, but one of the most massive trucks for 1991 GAZ-53 carried under the hood a modernized (not much) American engine already in 1936.
        Another 30 years have passed (2021) - the same stagnation, nothing new in these three leading industries (machine tool building, electronics, engine building) Russia has not presented ("partners" also put their hands on), naively believing that Henry Fords will appear in Russia by themselves and Steve Jobs (no, in 30 years they might have appeared, but remembering how Iranian scientists die in the nuclear program, this is not worth hoping for). For them to appear, you need a nationally oriented elite of the country and a desire to invest in promising projects.
        Therefore, despite the propaganda (about bad public administration), the state needs to take these 3 key industries under its control and start developing them.
        Here is a simple example - the Renault Laguna 2 car, Renault invested $ 2 billion in its development, and this is not counting the line of motors, they are a separate item of expenditure. And this is only one (!!!) model from the Renault line - can you imagine all the costs for the entire line? )))
        How can UAZ itself compete with such monsters if they can allocate no more than $ 10 million for the development of a new model? )))
        A good example of public administration is also Renault — yes, it is a state-owned company in France, which is at or superior to many private car companies.
        Therefore, only the state development of these three key industries will allow the development of Russian industry, and this should have been done back in 1991.
        1. +4
          21 October 2021 05: 41
          Quote: lucul
          only state development of these three key industries
          And someone is still pushing about the divine hand of the market, which will put everything in its place .... Put it, damn it!
        2. -2
          21 October 2021 11: 35
          Various nonsense are written about the automotive industry, but you have surpassed, perhaps, most
        3. -1
          21 October 2021 20: 03
          Quote: lucul
          and 50-year-old engine building
          And who destroys engine building in the west (it really degrades)?
        4. 0
          30 October 2021 14: 49
          Quote: lucul
          To understand why this happened with the UAZ, you need to look at the basis.

          If we talk about the basis, then the machine-motor-and-other structure is the same branches of a tree. Actually, the basis was knocked out immediately and tightly. This is education and science, there is no one to promote new developments or train specialists. Since the 90s, there has immediately been a Maas reorientation from training engineers and scientific personnel, which are just the basis and foundation, to rubbish such as managers, economists, lawyers, and other nonsense. And why be surprised now? If hundreds if not thousands of people can work on motors in the West and Asia, moreover, motivated, young and well-trained in their topic, having access to any information, and in Russia one and a half pensioners, whom the organization sent to study back in the USSR, the result is obvious.
  2. +13
    20 October 2021 18: 24
    UAZ-80 years old: a requiem for the Ulyanovsk Automobile School
    ... I would like to write an ode to simplicity and reliability !!!
    But it turns out to praise / state, patience, resourcefulness, skill of our drivers and auto mechanics!
    1. +7
      20 October 2021 19: 08
      We forgot the most important thing to note - talented designers, who laid in it seemingly simple technical solutions, but which to this day surprise with their genius and simplicity!
      And today's drivers and auto mechanics certainly should not only thank them for this!
      1. +8
        20 October 2021 19: 25
        Unfortunately, serial production itself introduces so many nuances into the product that manufacturers should hiccup very often.
        Even a well-designed thing can be worked out in such a way that it cannot be said in a fairy tale or described in verse! Unless in specific folk art, this can be expressed, briefly and clearly.
  3. +9
    20 October 2021 18: 25
    UAZ-469 is a good car and simple in impossibility! The rear axle flew, you unscrew the cardan and go. There are creaks and noises in the front post, you throw the balls out of the axle shafts and go. Is it cold in winter? You put on the stove from MTZ. But tell me, with my height of 176 cm, it was uncomfortable to sit! Even on 452, if possible, we put the back of the seat from Kamaz ...
    1. +9
      20 October 2021 21: 36
      Quote: sabakina
      UAZ-469 is a good car and simple in impossibility!

      There is simplicity for operation, and there is simplicity of a kind of primitive. For example, I did not like the fact that in winter on the Kola Peninsula it was possible to freeze your feet in it, and in summer in the Volgograd region - suffocate from the heat. Fuel consumption and range are far from perfect. The body in the third year of operation began to rust ...
      The permeability is good, and only shakes in it quite strongly and on a regular dirt road.
      ==========
      A people's car is one that you can fix with your own hands and not worry about rust. To make the chassis reliable. That the fuel consumption is consistent with the purpose and capabilities. It would be nice to put the winch on "if they already called an SUV" ...
      ==========
      Everything is relative. Today there is an opportunity to compare.
    2. +5
      20 October 2021 21: 57
      if the rear axle has flown, then no one will go anywhere, as it usually flies in problematic places. let's say in a swamp. and you ichthyander all the same dived in and unscrewed 8 cardan bolts and removed the gimbal, you still don’t go anywhere, the shank usually rips off on the bridge, you still need to unscrew and pull out the axle shafts. What balls were thrown from the front axle? The caps on the wheels are removed and the key is removed from the engagement of the drive with the wheel. In 2000, oh mama mia! saw hubbs on foreign cars and began to put .. come up with a lock between the wheel, not. we can't. angry
      1. +3
        20 October 2021 23: 41
        Quote: Free Wind
        What balls were thrown from the front axle?

        I even find it difficult to answer! DO NOT KNOW THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE UAZ CV JOINT? And scribble comments? Masterpiece!
  4. +5
    20 October 2021 18: 37
    this is a requiem not only for UAZ but also for the entire economy of the Russian Federation ...
    Well, before us, many civilizations and great peoples have sunk into oblivion - the strongest and smartest survive ...
    and UAZs and 469s and patrons were quite promising - but not managers are needed, but directors and engineers and conditions for development and production in the country, and our government is successfully fighting this ...
    1. -13
      20 October 2021 20: 49
      "This is a requiem not only for UAZ but also for the entire economy of the Russian Federation ...
      well, before us, many civilizations and great peoples have sunk into oblivion "

      About 15 years ago, one could say fine work, Banderloh. But it's time to change the training manuals - it's boring. Not everything is so bad in our state. Depressiac? Stand up, and do not spoil the mood of others. The army is now focusing on Tiger class vehicles, so interest in the UAZ has fallen. But a domestic SUV is needed, and it will be, albeit of a different brand. Yes, even GAZ, KAMAZ.
      1. +3
        21 October 2021 05: 54
        Quote: URAL72
        "This is a requiem not only for UAZ but also for the entire economy of the Russian Federation ...
        well, before us, many civilizations and great peoples have sunk into oblivion "

        About 15 years ago, one could say fine work, Banderloh. But it's time to change the training manuals - it's boring. Not everything is so bad in our state. Depressiac? Stand up, and do not spoil the mood of others. The army is now focusing on Tiger class vehicles, so interest in the UAZ has fallen. But a domestic SUV is needed, and it will be, albeit of a different brand. Yes, even GAZ, KAMAZ.

        the boo andersons set fire to scientific and technical centers at our car factories ... so there are no new models - only reworking of imported platforms and the use of imported units. Why is the price for Vesta or Patr? because 80% of them consist of parts not produced in the Russian Federation ... more will be further ...
        and the banderlog is just you, because you approve of the destruction of the Russian Federation and its people ...
        on what do you move, by the way?
    2. 0
      22 October 2021 13: 24
      and the UAZ and 469 and Patras were quite promising -
      They were not promising, that demand. that he would not have been able to keep the plant afloat. People want reliable crossovers / parquet flooring with comfort, smooth ride, air conditioning, etc., and only occasionally go off-road when traveling to a village / dacha.
      And so where you really need an off-road car, UAZ again loses to those who have a little money, they take the L-200 / Toyota Hilux.
      1. +1
        23 October 2021 19: 00
        1.the demand was and is - this is both the military and business and private traders - we consider everything
        minibuses and 4x4 jeeps in Russia - this is the demand for off-road vehicles, pure bezdor and bezdor-city
        2. the plant keeps afloat the conditions that the government creates or removes - the industry of Japan, Korea, China, Germany, the USA, the USSR and the Russian Federation. we have created conditions for siphoning resources and money. factories have closed say under 40 thousand !!!!
        for a city without a ditch, the UAZ patriot (when eliminating children's ailments) is ideal in a minimal price niche.
        bezorhunter 469 and a loaf, again when eliminating sores.
        if there is money, Hilux is said to be good, something else is praised.
        they say l200 - expensive brittle Mr. UAZ patr is more comfortable and better.
        but we're not talking about that again ...
        we need to decide for ourselves who we are? - now we are justified that something is wrong with us and it is not effective, and therefore we need to take away jobs and give them to Tajik emigrants, Chinese or Europeans (imports), they say they work better, but we must release RF and die. So our elite is more profitable ...
        The question is why on the land for which our ancestors shed their blood should not our children grow rich and fatten?
        1. 0
          23 October 2021 23: 21
          1.the demand was and is - this is both the military and business and private traders - we consider everything
          minibuses and 4x4 jeeps in Russia - this is the demand for off-road vehicles, pure bezdor and bezdor-city


          Of course, there is demand, but only at the offrode, the plant will not survive, Toyota with Cruiser passed it, Kia with Sorento, Nissan with Terrano.

          we need to decide for ourselves who we are? - now we are justified that something is wrong with us and it is not effective, and therefore we need to take away jobs and give them to Tajik emigrants, Chinese or Europeans (imports), they say they work better, but we must release RF and die. So our elite is more profitable ...
          The question is why on the land for which our ancestors shed their blood should not our children grow rich and fatten?


          So for this you need to look at the market and what buyers want, and make analogues of Tucson, Creta, all sorts of Sorentos, etc.

          they say l200 - expensive brittle Mr. UAZ patr is more comfortable and better.
          Well, they can say a lot, but only oil workers in Russia take the L-200 and Hilux,
  5. +16
    20 October 2021 18: 41
    From the point of view Business the story is similar to "squeezing out all the juices" from an enterprise created by the forces and means of the USSR and inherited by the owner for a reasonable price, with throwing away or even selling an illiquid residue - "cake". We tried it with small forces - it turned out to be a Patriot, "everything I can." Minimum investment, maximum liquidity from old resources. Perhaps, it is difficult to see from the outside, and the strategy is much deeper and more meaningful.

    The position is not clear statedeprived of such an enterprise, initially focused on a product that is in great demand in the army, which is also perfectly sold in the civilian market, and even around the world, in a "conversion" version. Or the UAZ / Gelendvagen / Defender format was considered obsolete for the army; the future of army vehicles is seen either in heavier vehicles from the Tiger and above (not even from the much lighter and cheaper Hummer), or in semi-handicraft items such as buggies and quadrics that fit into the Mi-8, but incomparable with UAZ and not always suitable for civil market ... It is not clear.
    1. +9
      20 October 2021 19: 30
      The question is: why does the state need this plant? Next to it (literally behind the fence), the Mechanical Plant, which is part of the Almaz-Antey concern, is still needed, and therefore remained state-owned even in the 90s. And the UAZ was corporatized (Lezhankin, the director of the plant at that time, naturally became the largest shareholder), from that moment all real developments and tests ended (my cousin's son-in-law Khoruzha Vladimir Mikhailovich (he was the main tester at UAZ, played in UAZ cars for CSKA) still then he said that khan to UAZ.UAZ-3160 was a development of the 80s, UAZ-3162 Simbir, and then Patrick became its continuation.There was a chance when the Germans came with their helicopter and offered to put their line, asked for a part of the profit from this line, but Lezhankin sent them to hell. Maybe now half of Russia rode geliks, but history does not know the subjunctive mood.
      And the army is now being transferred to the Tigers and his family.
      1. +2
        21 October 2021 16: 37
        Quote: garpun0073
        The question is: why does the state need this plant?

        Answer: the state does not seem to need factories, factories and combines at all. He needs oil rigs, gas pipelines and shopping centers.
    2. +2
      20 October 2021 19: 32
      Quote: Maxim Davydov
      lighter and cheaper Hummer

      Hummer for show-off on the pavement. There was a case to be convinced of this. They called and asked to pull out the Hummer, I had a UAZ bobik. I was very surprised at this proposal, I went. It turns out that people wanted to buy a house for a summer residence, they went to look at the forest path, it was in the winter. In general, their Hummer stands with its front wheel in a small icy hole, and that's it, neither here nor there. Hooked with a steel cable, about 10mm in diameter. The first time he pulled, nothing happens, he slips, so do I. The second time I pulled it with a jerk, as a result I broke the cable, this was the end of my mission. It felt like pulling a concrete block. And what is interesting, in a UAZ I was crawling around this Hummer like a cockroach, he was firmly sitting in a small hole with one front wheel. Then my friend pulled it out with a tractor, but in the spring the house burned down from the grass fell.
      1. +15
        20 October 2021 21: 07
        Hummers, emnip, released 100-something thousand, there are a couple of them in each company and even more in the rear divisions, whole units move on them up to a company or even a battalion and a lot of things are mounted, it fits into a Chinook or is carried in a couple on an external suspension thereof , he parachutes ... One lightweight wheelbase for everything.
        And the question is not whether the Hummer is good or bad. The trouble is that Russia will lose a massive frame SUV, suitable for the army and for civilians. The tiger and its relatives are heavy and expensive, therefore rare. Buggies are poor and suitable for a narrow range of tasks. There is absolutely no mass full-fledged "passenger" car 4x4 in the range higher than the Niva.
        1. 0
          21 October 2021 20: 10
          Quote: Maxim Davydov
          Humvees, emnip, fired 100-odd thousand
          You write about hmmwv, and the previous civilian author was Hammer. These are different machines (the first was very popular during the Desert Storm, so they began to rivet Hummers while demand is high). If in the first there was something from the military version, then further - it's just another body for the Chevrolet Tahoe (sort of).
          1. 0
            21 October 2021 22: 36
            No, I'm talking about the military HMMWV. I looked at Vicky, saw as many as 281 thousand. Of these, 230 thousand are in the US armed forces.
            No Hummers 2 and 3 based on civilian SUVs.
          2. 0
            22 October 2021 01: 49
            Quote: bk0010
            You write about hmmwv, and the previous civilian author was Hammer. These are different machines (the first was very popular during the Desert Storm, so they began to rivet Hummers while demand is high). If in the first there was something from the military version, then further - it's just another body for the Chevrolet Tahoe (sort of).

            If I'm not mistaken, the developer and manufacturer of the HMMWV was AM General, which was also engaged in the restoration of decommissioned HMMWVs under a contract with the US Department of Defense, the same company began to produce on the basis of army civilians, which later received the trade name Hummer H1 / H1 Alpha, the last anniversary series ...
            Again, if I am not mistaken, after 1996 AM General gave up the rights to manufacture Hummer to GM. Therefore, the H2 and H3 platforms from GM. For example, the H3 is based on the Chevrolet Colorado pickup platform.
      2. +1
        20 October 2021 22: 03
        In a hummer, all wheels are blocked and the rubber is toothy. Oh, I do not believe in these superstitions.
        1. +1
          20 October 2021 22: 07
          I didn’t believe it either, until I ran into it.
        2. +1
          20 October 2021 23: 51
          Quote: Free Wind
          In a hummer, all wheels are blocked and the rubber is toothy. Oh, I do not believe in these superstitions.

          I put a minus. For disbelief! But seriously, I will confirm the opinion of Yuri Bykov!
          1. +3
            21 October 2021 05: 53
            Quote: non-primary
            I put a minus. For disbelief! But seriously, I will confirm the opinion of Yuri Bykov!

            what Yuri Bykov did not say which Homyak was: 1st, 2nd or 3rd? It all depends on the configuration, the type and number of locks, rubber, and gaskets ... m / d steering wheel and pedals.
      3. +1
        22 October 2021 12: 14
        Quote: Waterways 672
        It felt like pulling a concrete block. And what is interesting, in a UAZ I was crawling around this Hummer like a cockroach, he was firmly sitting in a small hole with one front wheel.

        This happens. My mother in the nineties for a penny somehow stalled up the hill and will not start. I called the peasants from the village to push them up the mountain, they push, and the car looks like a concrete one. They ask on the handbrake, maybe - no, the handbrake is removed. Push again - again does not move. It turned out that all this time she was sitting and with fright pressed her foot on the brake.
    3. 0
      21 October 2021 07: 04
      And in Chinese HAVAL
  6. -13
    20 October 2021 19: 01
    The author himself -> the author -> the author is a dead end development ... a wig to weigh! The owner of the cigo device himself took a zero one from a car dealership.
    1. +2
      20 October 2021 22: 39
      The current rots.
  7. Fat
    0
    20 October 2021 19: 37
    hi I'm wondering what this "folded autoreview" does in the weapons section? wassat In the best case, she (the article) has a place in the opinions, I think, there would be more reviews with "arrivals" in criticism of the "useless" domestic authorities that have launched the auto industry to zero. smile
    "Oh, leave your dirty innuendo ..." (c)
    And what a good start to the cycle ...
    So perform at the same time the requiem for the Izhevsk Mechanical Plant, he will also be 2022 years old in July 80 ... And now it is part of the Kalashnikov concern and there, too, from the former school, there are only "show-off" crying
  8. -1
    20 October 2021 19: 55
    That "UAZ", that "Niva" - one disorder.
    1. +1
      20 October 2021 20: 30
      Looking for what purposes. request
  9. +1
    20 October 2021 20: 35
    (As a result, factory workers) !!! Quote from the article! Our machines were invented by hard workers, and the designers of the name
  10. +2
    20 October 2021 22: 09
    My father told me everything about the UAZ. ,
    Briefly so. Taught me to steer on it.
    And he was ready from the 50s and before perestroika
    from director of MTS to director
    The PMK has been finalized.
    1. +1
      20 October 2021 23: 56
      And my father taught me, on GAZ-67 and 69!
    2. +1
      22 October 2021 17: 11
      Lucky. And my father was the director of a village school, and there was a GAZ-51 in the state, I taxied on it) though my feet did not reach the pedals, but these are nuances. The photos even stayed with this truck from the broom blanks. Oh, the times beat.
  11. +2
    20 October 2021 22: 37
    Yes, there is just a replacement for a loaf - the same sable 4 by 4.
  12. DMi
    +3
    20 October 2021 23: 04
    The geography of the country is conducive to the inevitable success of sales of a civilian SUV. Just make a sane set of characteristics, at a sane price. They will start flying like hot cakes. But ... two factories are endlessly finishing the ancient models of the times of the USSR, and among the entrepreneurs there is not a single one who would have seen this gold mine.
    1. -1
      21 October 2021 16: 44
      Quote: DMi
      and among entrepreneurs there is not a single one who would have seen this gold mine.

      Oh, do not tell ... What entrepreneurs, by God. If suddenly another billionaire falls from the sky, he will not notice the car plant standing nearby for investment. But he will be very interested in the nearest oil well. It's easier - less troubles and more exhaust.
    2. 0
      22 October 2021 13: 30
      Civilian SUVs are riveted by all and sundry and cross-country ability in them is far from the most important parameter for the vast majority of buyers. The most sold in Russia are Duster and Creta.
      1. DMi
        0
        22 October 2021 13: 43
        Cross-country ability, not the most important quality for an SUV .... hmm. we need to comprehend it))
        Duster and other toys are bought for lack of better. There is simply no choice in the market. I've always wanted an SUV, but regularly looking through offers, I don't see anything at all that would suit me. Either too expensive, or trash, or Duster) so probably I will never buy it. Optimally something like a Land Cruiser from the 90s.
        1. 0
          22 October 2021 14: 37
          Cross-country ability, not the most important quality for an SUV .... hmm. we need to comprehend it))

          Just think about it, most of the owners of "SUVs" drive exclusively on normal roads, some even never leave the city.

          Optimally something like a Land Cruiser from the 90s.

          By the way, Toyota was one of the first to notice the demand for SUVs and started with Rav4
          1. DMi
            0
            22 October 2021 15: 05
            The nuance is that we have the largest country in terms of area. And there are no roads. The demand for RAV 4 in Europe, Japan and other compact oases of civilization may be great. But specifically for our country, a normal, uncompromising SUV is a real gold mine. There will be demand.
            1. 0
              22 October 2021 15: 24
              Where there are no roads, there is no solvent population, and I repeat, look at the statistics of car sales in Russia and everything will be clear, car manufacturers are no more stupid than us.
              1. DMi
                -1
                22 October 2021 15: 30
                Well, about the intelligence of automakers, do not flatter yourself) the history of the UAZ shows that this plant is run by people without a brain at all. In general, they could not do anything in 30 years.
                1. -1
                  22 October 2021 18: 05
                  And how was it to be done? Here is a real UAZ SUV, simple, passable, uncomfortable, not safe, but in general what is needed for an off-road. But people do not want to take it, immediately after the collapse of the USSR, they quickly fell in love with the Japanese and European auto industries. Because, as it turned out, comfort and reliability for a mass motorist is much more important than the ability to be repaired in the field and all these super-off-road qualities. But they did not know how to make a high-quality mass car with air conditioning, automatic transmission, all these drives for mirrors, seats, heated seats, etc. in the USSR, and they also did not know how to make them in modern Russia.
                  UAZIK is a narrow-food car, a completely different car is needed for the mass market.
                  1. DMi
                    +1
                    22 October 2021 18: 17
                    Where there are no roads, people have enough money, there are a lot of used foreign cars. If they were offered a normal local SUV, they would buy it, not used Toyota. So there is demand in the market.
                    How to do ... well, for example, like with a gazelle, which eventually crushed most of the segment of commercial lorries. Also, after all, "comfortable" foreign cars for every taste, but more often and more take a gazelle. GAZ has gradually improved and modernized and the result is there. And Hunter remained as he was. Even a diesel engine could not be made or purchased.
                    1. 0
                      22 October 2021 18: 42
                      How to do ... well, for example, like with a gazelle, which eventually crushed most of the segment of commercial lorries.
                      ........................................
                      And Hunter remained as he was. Even a diesel engine could not be made or purchased.


                      The gazelle had and has an incomparably larger market than the UAZ Hunter, plus, in comic transportation, the approach, inconvenience and simplicity is quite acceptable, if only it transported goods.

                      With UAZ Hunter, nothing can be done, he is what he is. But specifically, the UAZ had to make a new model of the "SUV" with an emphasis on a comfortable ride and occasional trips on light and medium off-road terrain, but this required competencies that were not available in the Soviet and then in the Russian car industry, and not only technical , but also design, marketing, distribution, well, plus all these not simple 90s, etc.
                      1. DMi
                        +1
                        22 October 2021 18: 54
                        UAZ could improve the quality of materials, assembly and components. It is corny and primitive. Well, add something very simple, like ABS, etc. And even with such obvious things, it would be sold and not only on the territory of the Russian Federation, it would go well for export. An ascetic and QUALITY SUV, many would appreciate it. His niche is potentially rather big.
                      2. 0
                        22 October 2021 19: 05
                        The niche of all these ascetic SUVs is small, relative to parquet flooring, so all manufacturers have switched to mass production of SUVs. Here, by the way, in the Czech Republic, Niva is sold, there is even a salon, they buy it in small quantities to ride in the mountainous area and have now found an UAZ Hunter, for a new one they ask for 319 thousand crowns, a little more than 1 million rubles, but these are all dozens of sales per year, and for example, whatever Tucson, KODIAQ, which cost at least 2.5-3 times more, are sold in the Czech Republic for a couple of orders of magnitude more.

                        And here you need to determine either an ascetic SUV, which you do not mind drowning in a swamp, or an urban crossover, on which they will not climb into any swamps.
                      3. DMi
                        +1
                        22 October 2021 20: 55
                        An SUV is only one that you do not mind drowning and hitting on a birch. Everything else is just show-off.
                      4. DMi
                        0
                        24 October 2021 12: 59


                        Suddenly it dawned on someone. SUV from GAZelle parts. If they bring it to a series, then the UAZ plant is a corpse. And it will be true.
          2. -1
            25 October 2021 19: 37
            The first SUV is "Niva" !!! But with huge off-road capabilities. drinks
  13. +4
    20 October 2021 23: 33
    Quote: lucul
    but one of the most massive trucks for 1991, the GAZ-53, carried under the hood a modernized (not much) American engine as early as 1936.

    But don't lie! The GAZ-52 really had an in-line * six * with lower valves under the hood. (greetings from 1936!) And the GAZ-53 is a completely different car! With * eight * under the hood!
  14. +1
    21 October 2021 10: 56
    Why change a goat if there are appropriate roads for it? My friend is very knowledgeable in cars, the European champion, by the way, in Moscow he uses the Range Rover, and in the Crimea, along the General's beaches, of course, the UAZ-Patriot. My modest opportunities suggest to go to the city in a Korean jeep, and to the sea in an old Zhiguli. The suspension of the six is ​​much more comfortable on gravel surfaces. If I had money, I would have preferred the UAZ Patriot for picnic trips.
  15. +3
    21 October 2021 13: 25
    The Patriot modernization project was leaked, pouring Sollers money into the Aurus project. The state also owes 650 million. The end of the UAZ. The state order no longer helps him, in the Ministry of Defense the main command vehicle is now Haval H9.

    1. 0
      22 October 2021 09: 31
      Cool numbers on your photos. In civilian life, Havala would be worth more. Or maybe they are used by civilians.
  16. +2
    21 October 2021 13: 26
    The creation of a new car model today "pulls" from $ 1 billion. It should be understood that this amount is, in principle, sufficient for a large concern that has a developed production and forms a new model, relying on the existing capacities, as well as an efficient, experienced design school.
    To create a new model of an all-terrain vehicle (and not a "SUV"), the Russian company will need about 3-3 billion, subject to its own work and a period of 5-7 years.
    WHAT NEW MODEL are you talking about?
    For reference: I have been in this topic for 20 years, I declare responsibly: in the Russian Federation today there are NO intellectual or production capabilities to create such a structure from scratch on our own.
    In principle, no. And it can't be.
    The only way is to put into production a foreign model, but at the same time it is necessary to put on the same production, transmission, and aggregate production.
    It's not so easy to do it.
    And one more thing: "people's car" is not something extremely simple that people themselves will maintain and repair, it is a set of measures aimed at creating and producing a highly reliable design with the simultaneous deployment of a huge network of services, moreover, professional.
    Given the size of Russia, this is, frankly, doubtful.
    And self-repair of a more or less modern and complex off-road vehicle is a little real thing.
  17. 0
    21 October 2021 15: 12
    It seems to me everything is simpler - UAZ should cost 500 thousand and then it is quite a place to be. Alas, with imported diesel engines (archaic gasoline native - the last century)
  18. -7
    21 October 2021 15: 27
    But when this initially lame horse is shot, all the warriors in foreign cars drive and these rusty pots from the factory for soldiers' phones so that all the burdens and hardships go out)))). It's strange in Germany, the military drives on gelics, on the machine with a condor, etc. hurray patriots minus
  19. +1
    21 October 2021 20: 00
    they simply removed the standard ZMZ-40906 engine and installed a 163-horsepower electric motor with a lithium-ion battery. The checkpoint, transfer case, bridges and cardans - the relatives of the UAZ remained.
    Marasmus! Each wheel must have its own electric motor. And no gearbox with hand-outs! Simplicity and reliability!
  20. +1
    22 October 2021 09: 01
    It's a pity ... In 2020, good ideas were presented ... in reality, the same GAZ could have been great to squeeze



  21. 0
    25 October 2021 12: 34
    1 Many years ago I was the last release that could either get a distribution in KB or take "free". Department of Wheeled Tracked Vehicles, Leningrad Polytechnic. "Cream" climbed into the tank design bureaus, then into the design bureau of the auxiliary wing, then trucks .... and finally, those who by the 5th year "could not distinguish a bolt from a nut" - VAZ, GAZ, UAZ. Therefore, there can be no geniuses in the design business.

    2 The only way that I see today for our car industry, and not only for UAZ, is a repetition of the history of fiat - VAZ 2101. License for a car, a turnkey plant (and not letting anyone from the USSR national team, including Russians, to the construction site), equipment , training and possible potential for modernization.
  22. Kaw
    0
    20 November 2021 22: 11
    Interesting. Now, if I could buy a license for Gelik and start producing it in Russia. In fact, the "carriage" project was a Russian copy of the G-Wagen.
  23. 0
    4 December 2021 09: 28
    Russia is on the verge of war, and the plant has not made a normal military vehicle such as the UAZ in so many years?
  24. 0
    24 December 2021 15: 31
    in aviation there is a school of dry this su7, su17, su27,30,34,35,57,75. and what is the UAZ school? To release the same "loaf" for 60 years because they will buy it anyway? or 469? a school of lazy indifference and expectation of money from the state. but they will stop buying loaves and vases, they will cry that the state has abandoned thousands of workers .. gas, Kamaz, vases are spinning. and uaz and here's a "loaf" and if you don't buy it means you don't care about the families of the Ulyanovsk workers
  25. 0
    27 December 2021 11: 58
    If you do something like a UAZ, you need to rely on the comm units of trucks, mass-produced in the Russian Federation ... ... this is the only way to have a price and serial production and quality. And the body can be its own (armored or not)
  26. 0
    18 January 2022 10: 18
    To produce modern cars, you need modern equipment, and UAZ has it since the 50s (Profi has a frame from GAZ-69). But the "Effective Managers" from Sollers did not care about investing money in the plant, so they will finish off everything possible that is left of the USSR, and sell the rest, because the profit from this option will be better.