Magnolia will bloom in the Arctic

CJSC "Magnolia", photo: press service of the Central Research Institute "Burevestnik"

In the near future, the Russian army may receive a unique artillery system that can be operated in the harsh Arctic conditions. This is a 120 mm Magnolia self-propelled artillery gun. There is nothing like this in the arsenal of other countries of the world at the present time there is simply no.

In mid-September 2021, the Military Industrial Courier publication, citing representatives of Uralvagonzavod, reported that field tests of the newest Russian self-propelled unit were partially completed. Intermediate test results, which were obtained during testing of Magnolia, based on the armored chassis of the two-link tracked all-terrain vehicle DT-30PM Vityaz, are considered successful at the enterprise.

The developer of the artillery system plans to complete the program of state tests of a new 120-mm self-propelled artillery mount on a tracked chassis in the extreme conditions of the Russian Far North and the Arctic in 2022, after which a decision will be made on the serial production of a new model of military equipment.

Flower family from "Petrel"

The new Russian self-propelled artillery system, which will be able to operate in the Arctic, including in extremely difficult operating conditions, has been developed by specialists from the Burevestnik Central Research Institute. Today this institute is organizationally included in the Uralvagonzavod corporation.

The self-propelled artillery gun, dubbed the Magnolia, is part of a new flower family. Specialists of the Central Research Institute "Burevestnik" have developed CJSC "Magnolia" on the basis of a two-link tracked armored chassis of the DT-30PM transporter within the framework of the ROC "Sketch". In addition to this Arctic version, two more self-propelled artillery systems were created within the framework of the project: an 82-mm self-propelled mortar "Drok" and a 120-mm self-propelled gun "Phlox" on an automobile chassis.

CJSC "Magnolia", a fragment of an advertising leaflet of the Central Research Institute "Burevestnik"

Unlike Magnolia, her flower sisters have already been shown to the public and actively represented at exhibitions. On May 9, 2021, Burevestnik unveiled new models of artillery weapons at the Victory Parade in Nizhny Novgorod. An 82-mm self-propelled mortar "Drok" on the basis of an armored four-wheel drive vehicle "KamAZ" (4x4) and a 120-mm self-propelled gun "Phlox" based on an armored chassis of a "Ural" truck drove in the parade line in the city.

For the first time, the official website of Rostec reported about development work on the Sketch theme in 2017. Since then, R&D work has advanced significantly and the Drok and Phlox self-propelled units are actively demonstrated at exhibitions and parades, including in commercial quantities.

Earlier, the TASS agency, citing the press service of Uralvagonzavod, reported that the serial production of the newest self-propelled artillery pieces "Phlox" and "Magnolia" could begin in 2022 or 2023. It is planned to start production after the complete completion of state tests of the CAO, subject to an appropriate decision by the state customer represented by the Russian Ministry of Defense.

What is known about CJSC "Magnolia"

The self-propelled artillery gun is a successful symbiosis of a high cross-country and mobility chassis and a large-caliber artillery system. As a base for the self-propelled unit, a two-link tracked all-terrain vehicle with an all-terrain vehicle was chosen. The DT-30PM all-terrain vehicle, which belongs to the Vityaz family, has managed to prove itself well in harsh operating conditions.

This family of tracked all-terrain vehicles was specially designed for operation in harsh climatic conditions and in off-road situations in the Arctic, remote regions of Siberia and the Far East and regions of the Far North. Previously, it was the DT-30PM all-terrain vehicle that had already become the base for placing the Pantsir-SA and Tor-M2DT air defense systems.

In fact, on the basis of the DT-30PM all-terrain vehicle-transporter, it was possible to create a multifunctional vehicle that is in demand by different types of troops and can be used in the Russian army for a variety of purposes. The version of the all-terrain vehicle DT-30PM "Omnipresent" is an option for the Russian Armed Forces, which received the armor protection of the habitable compartment.

Repair and recovery vehicle based on the tracked all-terrain vehicle DT-30PM, photo: transmash-omsk.ru

According to representatives of the Ishimbay plant of transport engineering, which assembles the DT-30PM, this model is able to overcome water obstacles, as well as move through swampy terrain and virgin snow.

The maximum speed of this tracked vehicle, which is equipped with a V-12-46S 5-cylinder diesel engine, developing a power of 800 hp. with., is 45 km / h. When overcoming water obstacles - up to 6 km / h.

Bringing the all-terrain vehicle into working condition at an ambient temperature of -50 degrees Celsius takes no more than 30 minutes. The vehicle's carrying capacity of 30 tons, which is reflected in the name, makes it possible to use this chassis as a single base for most samples of Russian combat vehicles designed for operations in the Arctic.

At the Army-2019 forum, Burevestnik presented the first advertising brochures about the Arctic self-propelled gun. At the next exhibition, the first models of "Magnolia" were already shown to the public. At the same time it became known that the main armament of the Magnolia CJSC would be the 120-mm 2A80 semi-automatic rifled gun, which combines the functions of a howitzer cannon and a mortar.

The enterprise Motovilikhinskiye Zavody (Perm) is responsible for the development of the weapon. Exactly the same gun is used on the 120-mm self-propelled gun 2S31 "Vienna" based on the BMP-3. Experts note that 2S31 divisions can be attached to motorized rifle or tank battalions, as well as to carry out artillery support for companies in the direction of the main attack. The combat potential of a tank or motorized rifle regiment will approximately double when the towed mortar battalion is replaced by the 2S31 battalion. Obviously, this is also true for the Arctic brigades.

A distinctive feature of the gun is the ability to fire both 120-mm mines and shells with ready-made rifling. At the same time, due to the caliber, both Russian mines and ammunition from NATO countries can be suitable for shooting. In addition, the KM-2 Gran-M80 high-precision mine can be used together with the 8A1 gun.

120-mm semi-automatic rifled gun 2A80, render: mz.perm.ru

Thanks to the turret layout, Magnolia CJSC is able to fire in all directions, horizontal aiming - 360 degrees, vertical aiming angles of the gun are from -5 to +80 degrees. The rate of fire of the 2A80 gun is 8/10 rounds per minute (when firing high-explosive fragmentation shells and mines, respectively).

The maximum firing range is 8,5 kilometers for high-explosive fragmentation shells, for guided artillery shells - up to 10 kilometers. The firing range of 120-mm high-explosive fragmentation mines is 7 km. Transportable ammunition "Magnolia" - up to 80 shells and mines. Crew - 4 people.

Magnolia will increase the combat potential of Arctic brigades

The 120-mm Magnolia self-propelled artillery gun is intended for arming the Arctic brigades that have been created in Russia in recent years. The Russian army is systematically strengthening its military presence in the Arctic zone, which is of great importance for the country, including due to a wide variety of valuable natural resources.

At present, land units, including the 14th Army Corps, are well represented in the joint strategic command "Northern Fleet". This corps includes the 80th and 200th separate motorized rifle brigades, which are called the Arctic. The brigades are armed with T-80BVM tanks, as well as a large number of specific equipment, including two-section tracked all-terrain vehicles DT-10 and DT-30 and snowmobiles.

Also in service with these brigades are conventional army 122-mm self-propelled guns 2S1 "Carnation". The passability of this technique on swampy soils and deep snow cover is limited. In this regard, the emergence of a 120-mm self-propelled artillery gun built on the chassis of a two-section tracked all-terrain vehicle DT-30, which has excellent maneuverability, will seriously expand the combat capabilities of the Russian Arctic brigades.

None of the armies of the countries that have access to the Arctic today are armed with similar artillery systems. A fundamentally new self-propelled artillery gun will significantly increase the firepower of Russian Arctic brigades. In any military conflict, the presence of such artillery systems, which combine high maneuverability and mobility with versatile large-caliber weapons, will become a weighty argument in our favor.

Comments

[faiver]

Another parade masterpiece that has no analogues in the world. Operating costs? Resource of the engine, transmission? And most importantly, with whom to fight? I can understand air defense, missile defense, navy in the arctic. What army in the world is capable of conducting combat operations with ground forces in arctic conditions?

[Momento]

it's an armored train! but he has a completely different purpose)

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: faiver

And most importantly, with whom to fight?

A common complaint to generals is that they are preparing for the last war. And from you a claim that they are preparing for something incomprehensible. But this is incomprehensible to you and to me, and so there are probably reasons. But personally, I do not understand the side screens to the floor on a lightly armored car.

What can they protect from?

[faiver]

What can they protect from?

- from reindeer breeders, left arms and cartridges darkness, traded from enterprising logisticians in the old days for fish, skins, meat, and mammoth tusks ...

[Civil]

Funny thing) a tractor pulls a square tank from the 20s
From whom the protection is also not clear, deer and reindeer herders with shift workers do not hold meetings, polar bears do not steal oil and gas.
Maybe a fluffy northern animal? From the Arctic fox?

[faiver]

reindeer herders with shift workers

- there is such a thing, alcohol is called, and then any sea is generated ...

[tralflot1832]

Have you crossed a swamp 500 meters in Zhiguli? Look at the map of the Murmansk region. It was in vain that the Germans advanced in a narrow front, the swamps did not allow a flanking maneuver to be carried out.

[loki565]

- from reindeer breeders, left arms and cartridges darkness, traded from enterprising logisticians in the old days for fish, skins, meat, and mammoth tusks ...

Think narrowly))) Even in the northwestern, European part of the winter, technology is difficult, especially in the same Karelia where there are a lot of swamps and small lakes. By the way, here are the tests for the Swedes T72 and motorcycle leagues

[rusboris]

The transportable stock in the Arctic is the first thing. The issue of placing stocks for various purposes in the body of the machine for 30 days is not relevant due to the impossibility of execution. The hopes for the delivery of the necessary supplies by helicopter are also not relevant. The first limitation is arctic weather, the second limitation is the opposition of the enemy. The solution to this problem is a trailed sled. Or, in other words, beams on a sled run. The beams must have a splinter-resistant, armored body. Insulation and heating system. Inside, there must be a place to accommodate people, for example, the wounded or evacuated from the dead equipment. The beam should have positive buoyancy. The carrying capacity of the beam is from 2 tons to 3 tons. The self-weight of the composite beam is approximately 800 kg. To ensure the passability of the tractor, in a difficult place on the road, the sled is pulled out by the winch of the tractor.

[PCF]

they perfectly shield IR radiation from the propulsion device, and the goose heats up when moving and glows - my compliments!

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: PCF

they perfectly shield IR radiation from the propulsion device, and the goose heats up when moving and glows - my compliments!

Interesting remark, I'll be in the know. But it seems to me that for a swamp rover, unlike a tank on solid ground, it is not particularly relevant, and the engine shines brighter, where is the exhaust directed up?

[YOUR]

Yes, they do not protect from anything. An ordinary off-road vehicle painted green. Its superiority over all heavy transport in the tundra, will pass almost everywhere through swamps, rivers, lakes, I do not write about mud. You need to be able to plant this transport in the mud. Nothing more outstanding, though there is one more thing, fuel consumption, since this is a diesel engine, it is not measured in kilometers, but in hours. Working hours 250 - 300 liters. Yet it depends on the complexity of the path. The maximum speed is 37 km / h. not a ferrari.
For the tundra, that's it. Where the enemy will operate on small all-terrain vehicles, dragging mortars and ammunition to them on the hump, this one will pass without problems, bring a cannon, and bring a huge supply of shells or mines to it.

[Tcheluskin]

more incomprehensible side screens on a lightly armored car. What can they protect from?

They can protect against the high-explosive effects of cumulative ammunition.
When such an ammunition detonates on the screen a few tens of centimeters before the armor, the probability of armor breakage is less, and in the case of a break, the high-explosive effect is less (it is inversely proportional to the square of the distance from the center of the explosion) than when detonating directly on the armor.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Tcheluskin

Can protect against the high-explosive effects of cumulative ammunition

The fact that the car is LIGHTLY ARMORED did not bother you in any way?

[Tcheluskin]

It is the lightly armored vehicle that the screens are less likely to protect against armor penetration by a cumulative jet; but they just can protect, or reduce the impact, - from significant break armor and, as a result, the destruction of the crew by a blast wave that penetrated through the breach.

Example in the picture: upper trace - damage with cumulative ammunition without (noticeable) armor break; the lower ones have a break.

[serg.shishkov2015]

And your idea is interesting! Arctic armored train! I carry everything with me! As in the old, not quite good times, the combat unit of the Bepo and its rear base!

[Egoza]

Quote: faiver

And most importantly, with whom to fight?

But do you know in "Europe and the USA" they are already outraged that Russia has seized the Arctic, and there is a lot of interesting things, and it would not be bad for Russia to share "with the world progressive community." So let "Magnolia" bloom, you need to protect your property. And "some" who are very dissatisfied will think hard. IMHO.

[faiver]

To begin with, go to Tiksi in winter, and live there for at least a month. I will not say anything about living at least a week outside the village ...

[Firelake]

Comparing the potential of the US and Russian arms convoy is ridiculous. The United States will use conventional weapons to roll Russia into a pancake. The war on the ground is the final stage of the operation. Initially, this is the seizure of air superiority, but here the United States has a huge advantage in both quantity and quality. Leave the statements of politicians to the politicians. Vaughn Erdogan "didn't get off with tomatoes" ...

[Looking for]

Russia is not going to conduct military actions against the United States with conventional weapons - it is more expensive for itself. Conventional weapons are for American lackeys. And with the United States, Russia will conduct a "conversation" with "serious arguments."

[Firelake]

And with the United States, Russia will conduct a "conversation" with "serious arguments."

Fresh food ...
Has 14 years taught you anything? The economy is a much more terrible weapon than a nuclear club ... And no one will give an order. The wrong people are in power ...

[EMMM]

And what trace will this "Magnolia" leave on the vegetation cover of the tundra, did the stupid warriors think?
It has no analogues, because no one needs it.
From whom to protect? Any suggestions? Are the Americans preparing the Arctic Edelweiss? So, he was purely infantry.
But the loot saw, it seems, and learned in the army.

[antivirus]

What army in the world is capable of conducting combat operations with ground forces in arctic conditions?

-that is, there should be no thoughts for a war in our Arctic among other non-hegemon

[arkadiyssk]

Do they have them? All these horror stories about the NATO attack ... If there were plans for an attack, they would all be on tracks, but they are all on wheels, because they only plan to defend themselves along their territories equipped with roads. When they are preparing for the amphibious war for the islands in the Pacific Ocean, they modernize the amphibious forces and the marines for this business. And against whom are we building such tanks? Is there really an enemy planning a landing operation in the Laptev Sea? There is no one there, and all these Arctic Shamrocks will simply fly around, swim around and leave them in their rear in case of anything, where they will not be of interest to anyone. Well, they'll also throw a dozen axes on takeoff, so that they don't twitch and that's it ...

[Tavrik]

"If something happens ..." they will simply introduce their people to the boards of directors of the necessary concerns, appoint their own presidents of corporations and gain access to the necessary minerals and other assets.
The confrontation between major players has long migrated to the financial and economic sphere.
Well, we will still invent shushpantsy to the joy of the population. Reminds of an anecdote about that drunkard who was looking for keys not where he lost, but under a lantern. Because it's brighter there.

[tralflot1832]

In order not to be fired from the Arctic with axes, there is Trefoil with a jump airfield, which has been modernized and now has two bastion sites, on Alexandra's land on the FZI.

[Firelake]

And against whom are we building such tanks?

Mastering the budget and that's it. This pribluda can't even be sold anywhere ...

[Vadim Ananyin]

Why sell?

[Firelake]

Why sell

And why do you need this crap at all? Or ugrokat a couple of lards for R&D and at the exit to get a couple of such crap that will stand in the garage? And what's the point with them ??? And all the time I forget that it has no analogues in the world. We must do not this, but repeat Western developments and then make our own on this basis. We lagged behind simply godlessly, especially in the field of army standardization, which imposes huge costs on maintenance and logistics. Are we so rich?

[EMMM]

All for! ..
They should wash their ass after the recent fiasco in Afghanistan ...

[carstorm 11]

As I understand it, the experience of the Second World War is not particularly sufficient for you to prepare for a database in the Arctic region?

[faiver]

AND? Active hostilities of ground forces during the defense of Murmansk are only 41 years old, and then everything froze there until 44 years. Only aviation worked, plus the conduct of special operations by both sides.

[carstorm 11]

You see ... This is called preparation for possible hostilities in the Arctic region. They were already there and the repetition, given how many resources there are, is much clearer. Such speed to return to the region is not just picked up.

[Vadim Ananyin]

I support, if we proceed from the exits at the beginning of the 20th century of the British, Norwegians with robberies and murder of the Pomors in the White Sea and in Arkhangelsk, then it will not work to wait and catch up, they will kill earlier.

[EMMM]

The smartest solution is to bomb the tundra with your own caterpillars so that the enemy doesn't get it.
Yak that Ukrainian: "If you don't, I'll take a bite!"

[carstorm 11]

Well, you can differently. Do nothing there. Cancel preparation. That would give her whole to the enemy. That's better?)

[tralflot1832]

And why, on the southern flank of the swamp, that the Germans have what we have.

[max702]

About another expert .. Do you know that they were used very successfully in Chechnya? When nothing from other equipment could move? And Chechnya seems to be not at all the extreme north, and believe me, if then there was such an art system at the Vityaz base, oh, it would be useful ... So for once they did everything right, there will be a really necessary thing in the troops ...

[faiver]

But I really missed this moment, thanks for returning to the sinful earth ...

[Firelake]

In the absence of aviation, of course, only art. And so this is all aviation decides. More expensive, yes, but many times more effective

[Alexey RA]

Quote: faiver

What army in the world is capable of conducting combat operations with ground forces in arctic conditions?

Finland, Sweden, Norway. The latter, by the way, is a NATO country.
There is still a lot of suspicion ... a lot of ... ugh, about Canada.

The goals and the proposed theater of operations are also clear: the Kola Peninsula, where the base of the country's largest fleet and one of the two SSBN bases are located. And, as you know, the best means of gaining supremacy at sea is the infantry on the berths of enemy bases.

[faiver]

Well, then it's worth remembering Denmark and Iceland ...
The participation of any of these countries, at least separately at least together, is possible only in a global conflict, in the event of a global conflict, everyone knows what will happen to them ...

[Alexey RA]

Quote: faiver

Well, then it's worth remembering Denmark and Iceland ...
The participation of any of these countries, at least separately at least together, is possible only in a global conflict, in the event of a global conflict, everyone knows what will happen to them ...

In the event of a global conflict, there will always be a gap in which countries will seek opportunities for a non-nuclear solution or neutralize most of the enemy's nuclear potential. Because the global nuclear conflict is a loss for all parties. And it is very difficult to decide on it.

And the attempt to break through the army of a potential enemy to the SSBN base fits into the scenario of a disarming strike. And the absence of a sane defense from land can just plant in the heads of the military of that side an unhealthy thought about the possible success of such a strategy.

[A. h. 52]

In the Arctic, this suitcase will radiate heat like a blast furnace. Any of the most primitive drone with Ali will find it with an infrared sight.

[Zaurbek]

It is necessary to rely on the experience of past generations. Where there can be hostilities is known ..... some required amount will be produced, it's good that the mind was smart enough to standardize the carrier - for all systems. People should serve in warmth and comfort. Comrade Finns, Swedes and Norwegians have similar systems ..... They are all enemies and will definitely attack under appropriate conditions .... Murmansk is nearby - an ice-free port and a strategic city for the Russian Federation.

[serg.shishkov2015]

Beautiful flower! but my fantasies about * Vityaz * were different - the tower from the MBT and the tower from * Tunguska *! Simultaneously! And the third link as a carrier of a diesel generator.

[faiver]

yeah, and the fourth link with calibers

[serg.shishkov2015]

Can! fantasize, so to the end! The main thing is that * Mouse * would not work!

[antivirus]

and the fifth with a shock UAV

in short - a separate special expeditionary regiment

.......................................

[Ros 56]

Something I have doubts that the enemy will attack us from the north, if only Arctic foxes. But in the Belarusian swamps, this thing can come in handy, to drive the NATO members.

[serg.shishkov2015]

If it passes the tests by the North, then it will definitely be suitable for the CEEurope! not bad idea!

[faiver]

Is it easier and simpler in any way? Aviation will gouge this monster very quickly, conclusion? Application only with an air defense umbrella, that is, the same crap only with Thor should ride next to it. And you also need infantry cover, otherwise a couple of gamekeepers with a grenade launcher and all this equipment are ambitious. We continue - people are always hungry, this technique eats fuel and oil as if not into itself, that is, supply is added. Suppliers also need to be protected from air strikes and from land ...

[serg.shishkov2015]

In the end, we have a snow and swamp-going vehicle with powerful weapons, not a project, but finished iron. and where and how to apply it, we will think! and the chassis is serial, and as I understand it, the combat module, and this is good news.

[Stepan S]

Aviation will smash this monster very quickly,

And where will the aviation fly from to the Arctic region, where is the nearest airfield? They will arrive with three refuelings, and there they will meet the same Arctic TOPs.

[faiver]

Actually, I meant Belarusian swamps ...

[Snusmumrik]

If you know an easier way to drag a 120mm gun across the tundra, I will listen to suggestions. Yes air defense, yes infantry, yes supplies. The same can be said about any artillery battery and any object in general. But the fact is that a potential adversary will not be able to ignore such a thing. And this is at least a serious diversion of resources.

[faiver]

Something I have doubts that the enemy will attack us from the north

and rightly overcome, there are no people, no roads

[A. h. 52]

And will this suitcase last for a long time in the Belarusian swamps?

[Firelake]

Before the first helicopter and / or airplane

[Nafanya from the sofa]

Quote: faiver

What army in the world is capable of conducting combat operations with ground forces in arctic conditions?

But so that no army is capable of waging wars and such equipment is needed. Many mouths open their mouths to the Russian Arctic.

[faiver]

Many mouths open their mouths to the Russian Arctic.

- their own people do not go there

[Ros 56]

I, too, looking at someone else's, say Bentley or his mistress open my mouth and what ?????

[Al_lexx]

In the Belarusian swamps, it should also fit ...

[Undecim]

There is nothing of the kind in the arsenal of other countries of the world at the present time.

The question arises - why "it" is needed in the arsenals of other and not only other countries of the world?
By the way, the author is mistaken about the fact that "in the world of analogs".

The armored articulated all-terrain vehicle Bronco New-Gen of the Singapore Technologies Kinetics.
Weapon options - combat module with 120-mm ultra-fast progressive mortar system SRAMS (Super Rapid Advanced Mortar System), located in the rear section. Other options include a rooftop Adder lightweight remote-controlled weapon station armed with a 12,7mm heavy machine gun, a pair of packs of three smoke grenade launchers, and a SATCOM satellite communications receiver unit. The remote-controlled combat module can also be armed with a 7,62mm machine gun or a 40mm automatic grenade launcher with a coaxial 7,62mm machine gun.

[Undecim]

One of the options.

[Narak-zempo]

Quote: Undecim

The armored articulated all-terrain vehicle Bronco New-Gen of the Singapore Technologies Kinetics.

You don't understand, this is different.

[KrolikZanuda]

Hmm. When the cat has nothing to do ...

[Narak-zempo]

Quote: KrolikZanuda

Hmm. When the cat has nothing to do ...

He is engaged in preventive maintenance of materiel.

[riwas]

The use of the articulated principle for all-terrain vehicles is promising. Here in this article
https://bukren.my1.ru/publ/ware/bo_rob13_1/2-1-0-70
a three-link narrow (about 1,5 m) all-terrain vehicle is proposed as a "forest" tank. Yes, and for the mountains, it will do.
The first link is a walk-behind tractor with a diesel generator and fuel supply.
The second link is the habitable compartment. Two crew members, the gunner commander and the driver, are located one behind the other, which allows for a minimum width. The link has a combat module with a 7,62-mm machine gun and a universal attachment point. On the latter, depending on the task being performed and the nature of the terrain, ATGMs, various grenade launchers, packages of NURs can be attached

[Narak-zempo]

The walk-behind tractor should be in the center to be more protected. And in the rear block, provide a backup control post with a second mechanical drive, if the first is disabled.

[Max PV]

People do not understand, judging by the comments, why this car. Firstly, this is not a tank, but an SPG, it cannot fight a heavily and even moderately armored enemy. Abrams in the tundra, if you're lucky, will drown on the tower, if not lucky, then completely. It's summer. And in winter it will live until it runs out of fuel plus two hours. Therefore, no one will send heavy equipment there. And this self-propelled gun does not really need armor. Even an infantry squad for cover, and that's all - with a grenade launcher, you can only approach if there are two hundred people, with chains, watered for courage. Unless to get out of the ATGM, secretly approaching. But even here, in general, opposition is a standard task, also simplified by the open area and high thermal contrast. Secondly, the size is not due to some prohibitive weight, but because of the chassis of the Vityaz tractor, which is specially designed for operations in those conditions. Thirdly, why is this necessary? And in order to protect objects in the Arctic (airfields, ports, settlements, etc.) from sea and air assault forces. Still, there is a difference: to fight with a machine gun, or with the support of an ACS. Fourth, vulnerability to aircraft and infantry. So self-propelled guns by themselves and should not fight. Most likely, the use of this installation will be something like this: an airfield with aviation, with it an air defense battalion with Torah or Armor on the same chassis, a company or a guard battalion and a battery or a battalion of such self-propelled guns. And try to do something to him, except as a massive air raid or the landing of a large assault force, at least a couple of battalions.

[faiver]

And in order to protect objects in the Arctic (airfields, ports, settlements, etc.)

- in the areas adjacent to the specified objects there are normal dirt roads, "Vityaz" is intended for areas where there are no roads. And to create separate self-propelled guns for 2-3 bases indicating the presence in the Arctic, located on the islands, well, it's kind of bold

[A. h. 52]

Yes, there is no need to fence in a massive air raid. A dozen Harop is enough.

[serg.shishkov2015]

In terms of operating costs, the experimental GAZ-VM prototypes of the GAZ-60 cost as much as a battery of 45 mm guns each. and fuels and lubricants ate decently! but they did what other modes of transport could not do! In different parts of the NSR, they were used until the end of the 1940s details- * All-terrain vehicles of the USSR 1918-1945 *

[serg.shishkov2015]

Sorry! NATI-VG! GAZ-VM is different!

[Bogalex]

There is nothing like this in the arsenal of other countries of the world at the present time there is simply no

As already tired of this ...
Of course not! The country, whose industry has been in a state of continuous degradation throughout the 90s, is releasing technology that has no analogues in the world over and over again!
Why not just note the positive features of our development in comparison with competitors? Why not say that "not worse than analogs"? Why inevitably once again present themselves as the homeland of elephants to ridicule to those who, unlike the author, understand the issue? Too lazy to work a little and read profile articles?

[Bogalex]

Since then, R&D work has progressed significantly and self-propelled units "Drok" and "Phlox" are actively demonstrated at exhibitions and parades, including in commercial quantities

"Commodity quantities" - this is ONE "Drok" and ONE "Phlox", the only time shown at the parade in Nizhny Novgorod in May this year and once at the international military-technical forum "Army", in 2016 ("Phlox") and 2018 (" Gorse ") years.

[Bogalex]

In addition, the KM-2 Gran-M80 high-precision mine can be used together with the 8A1 gun.

Can not.
KM-8 "Gran" is intended for firing exclusively from muzzle-loading mortars. For firing 120-mm breech-loading guns, to which the 2A80 belongs, the 3OF69 "Kitolov-2" guided projectile is used.

[camo]

hmm, this is some kind of armored train

[Bogatyrev]

The range is too small - 8,5 km. And the distances are long and the mobility is low.

[w70]

The budget must be mastered

[Freedim]

It's high time .. For the first time I learned about D-Z0 from the 2000s series "Impact Force". Then he impressed me very much. War rarely takes place where there are roads. In addition, in wartime, roads are like honey "if they are, then they are not immediately available" .. especially in Mother Russia, where you drive off the dumped road and immediately dive into the swamp ..
I'm not talking about the Arctic at all - there are American "Navy seals" sent there (which have no icebreakers, no "knights", or even submarines imprisoned under the ice .. only diapers) .. There is a lot of delicious there, especially in the light of thawing permafrost. let these parasites go there.
On the same platform, you can organize even close air defense (like "Tunguska"), electronic warfare, and you don't have to bathe at all.

[eehnie]

Artic conditions are present in a big part of the Russian territory, and it makes sense for Russia the development of new platform well adapted to the artic conditions.

I tend to think that the new generation of artillery systems to be adopted in the following years, will be developped on the new Russian land platforms: Armata, Kurganets, Bumerang, BMD-4 (M) and DT-BTR. It is necessary to analyze if a new artic platform around the DT-BTR (also tracked), can make redundant the Kurganets platform or not for the service in the Russian Armed Forces.

In this line toward the development of a new complete generation of artillery systems based on the new Russian land platforms, the 2S35 (Armata platform 152mm) and 2S42 (BMD-4 (M) platform 120mm) would be the first real examples presented to the public, and as consequence the projects with better future in the Russian Armed Forces. The rest of the new models presented publicly can be more focused toward export like the 2S31 (BMP-3 platform 120mm) previously.

[Pavel57]

A three-sectional were not considered? A sort of caterpillar. Each section with its own set of weapons. Armored train for the North.