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Corvettes of the Ada type: will Ukraine get a combat-ready fleet

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Photo: Ukrainian Navy and Igor Kopytin


On the ruins of the USSR


The laying of the first corvette of the Turkish MILGEM project (type Ada) for the Ukrainian Navy remained relatively poorly covered in the Russian media. By the standards of Russia, the event is really not very remarkable. Corvettes project 20380 type "Guarding", for example, already built ten units, and the total number of such ships of different versions should in the foreseeable future approach three dozen.

But, as ex-president Leonid Kuchma wrote, "Ukraine is not Russia." Countries have different opportunities. Now the only conditionally large ship of the Ukrainian Navy is "Getman Sagaidachny" of project 1135.1 "Nereus", which was commissioned in 1993. The most ambitious undertaking in this sense was the construction of four "national" corvettes of project 58250, developed by the "Research and Design Center for Shipbuilding" (KP "IPTsK") in the city of Nikolaev.


The lead ship was built using the facilities of the Black Sea Shipbuilding Plant. However, in July 2021, the economic court of the Nikolaev region approved a report on the final liquidation of the enterprise, which had previously been declared bankrupt. The readiness of the lead ship of the series - "Vladimir the Great" - at that time was about 17%. Later, the Ministry of Defense announced that they wanted to finish building it, moreover, in a frigate class. In the current conditions, this looks unlikely due to the collapse of the Ukrainian shipbuilding industry. And the practical meaning, taking into account the forthcoming financial costs, is questionable.

Low start


Initially, MILGEM had an indirect relationship to the Ukrainian Navy, although the very Research and Design Center participated in its development.

But for Turkey, the project is significant: both from the practical side and from the point of view of world prestige. The Ada-class corvette developed within the framework of this project is the first large warship of the Turkish project. The MILGEM program itself is aimed at developing ships that could perform various tasks, including reconnaissance, surveillance, early warning, anti-submarine warfare, anti-surface ships, air defense and amphibious operations.


Photo: Ukrainian Navy and Igor Kopytin

Ada is just one of the directions. Others are related to the development of frigates. It is pertinent to recall that on January 23 the head frigate of the family, "Istanbul", was launched.

Speaking specifically about the Ada-type corvettes, the Turks have already built and commissioned four of them. The ship's displacement (standard) is 1524 tons. The length is 99 meters, and the width is 14,4. By According to military analytical blog bmpd, referring to the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, corvettes ordered in Turkey for the country's navy will be equipped with a Boeing anti-ship missile system, an MBDA VL MICA short-range anti-aircraft missile system, a 76-mm Leonardo Super Rapid universal artillery installation, a 35-mm Rheinmetall anti-aircraft artillery system Millennium, two 12,7-mm Aselsan STAMP remote-controlled machine gun mounts and 324-mm torpedo tubes with MU90 anti-submarine torpedoes.

The question remains about who and where will build the ships. It is known that the main contractor is the Turkish state-owned company Savunma Teknolojileri Mühendislik ve Ticaret A.Ş. or STM. The lead ship will be built by Turkey and transferred to Ukraine in 2022, after which Ukraine will carry out additional equipment and commission it in 2024.

Corvettes of the Ada type: will Ukraine get a combat-ready fleet
Photo: Ukrainian Navy and Igor Kopytin

The corvette will be built at the facilities of the Istanbul Naval Shipyard. The remaining three, as previously reported, will be built in Ukraine at the Ocean plant. It would be a good experience for the country. But it’s not that simple.

In September, Oksana Vrublevskaya, director of the private company Cleaver, expressed an alternative view to Focus.

“A couple of weeks ago, I visited a company in Turkey that will supply corvettes to Ukraine in order to learn more about the likely participation of Ukrainian enterprises in the localization of production. I want to say that I very much surprised the Turkish side with my question about localization. They are not planning any localization yet. So far, this idea has not been brought to the minds of the corvette suppliers, ”Vrublevskaya said.

It is difficult to say how things will turn out in reality. We only note that the contract itself for the construction of four ships was signed in December 2020. According to Turkish sources, the framework price of the agreement with Ukraine is more than one billion dollars. By the way, in 2018, Turkey signed an agreement with the Pakistani Navy for the supply of four MILGEM corvettes: then the contract was worth more than two billion dollars.


Photo: the press service of the President of Turkey and the Ministry of National Defense of Turkey

It is noteworthy that Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan was present at the steel cutting ceremony for the first MILGEM ship for the Pakistan Navy (at the same time TCG Kınalıada, the fourth Ada-class ship for the Turkish Navy, was commissioned). He did not participate in the recent laying ceremony.

Old problems


Formally, when (and if) Ukraine receives four corvettes of the Ada type, this will mean a multiple increase in the potential of the Ukrainian Navy, where only the river armored boats of Project 58150 "Gyurza" can actually fight, the problems of which, however, have also been written a lot lately. ...


Photo: Ministry of Defense of Ukraine

However, such "spherical amplification in a vacuum" can play a cruel joke. As before, Ukraine will de facto have nothing to oppose to the navies of such countries as Russia or the same Turkey, since the new corvettes will have almost no air cover.

It is obvious that any modern warship has a well-developed air defense system. But it is also obvious that it can be effective only in conjunction with aviation component (otherwise the world would have long abandoned aircraft carriers and naval aviation in general). To put it even simpler, without air cover, any warship is an extremely convenient target. Even a heavy cruiser.

The old Soviet fighters MiG-29 and Su-27, which Ukraine has in service, cannot be regarded as a real force: neither in terms of onboard electronics, nor in terms of weapons. At the same time, the country does not physically have a single modern manned combat aircraft.


Photo: Ministry of Defense of Ukraine

The situation, according to the media, is aggravated by the massive layoffs of experienced pilots due to relatively low salaries and high workload.

In general, if in the case of the Navy ships there is at least a semblance of rearmament (if we talk about the Ada corvettes, this can even be considered as real steps), then with military aviation and air defense everything is still "complicated."

In March, the French edition of Intelligence Online wrote in the article “Race on between Rafale and FA-18 to replace Ukraine's MiG” that France was ready to offer Ukraine Dassault Rafale fighters. In addition to him, at various times they called Gripen, F-15, Eurofighter Typhoon and even (albeit in the future) F-35 of the fifth generation. However, time passed and the new aviation "contract of the century" was successfully forgotten.
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  1. Stepan S
    Stepan S 20 September 2021 18: 13
    +4
    de really now can only fight the river armored boats of project 58150 "Gyurza",

    Are you seriously? Can these armored boats actually fight in the Black Sea? And who can the lights fight with? Not by chance with the PSKR of Russia? Seaworthiness is about 3 points. At the slightest excitement, the boat is not combat-ready, since its combat module no longer gets anywhere. They themselves shyly admit this problem.
    1. Seryoga64
      Seryoga64 20 September 2021 18: 45
      0
      Quote: Stepan S
      And who can the lights fight with?

      With poachers
      1. Glagol1
        Glagol1 20 September 2021 21: 50
        +2
        Poachers rule in Ukraine. Armored boats are obliged to protect them. But they can be effective against single unarmed swimmers.
        1. Seryoga64
          Seryoga64 20 September 2021 22: 01
          -1
          Quote: Glagol1
          But they can be effective against single unarmed swimmers.

          Which floated for the buoys?
    2. Denis812
      Denis812 20 September 2021 18: 46
      0
      well, how with whom?
      If, for example, in Odessa, they spotted a motorboat with a daddy through binoculars, who sets up the netting, then they may well fight with him in a fair fight.
      I don’t know what the old man will have - a knife or a berdan, but the brave ukromoryaks may well win.
      If they catch up, of course.
    3. Victor Tsenin
      Victor Tsenin 20 September 2021 19: 33
      -2
      In the coastal zone, spoil and wash away. Do not underestimate the enemy given the alarming inclinations resulting from Turkey's actions. In fact, the complacency towards TR and such moments is a little incomprehensible, given the complete non-fulfillment of TR obligations in Idlib, the SARAT region and many other well-known things.
      1. Stepan S
        Stepan S 20 September 2021 19: 38
        0
        In the coastal zone, spoil and wash away.

        To spoil in the truest sense of the word? Pump out fecal water? Well, this can be done once, and then with a stretch, if they come from the side of Skadovsk to Karkinitsky Bay in order to have time to escape under the coast.
        Don't underestimate the enemy

        And with this I agree 100%, as the neighbors know how to do dirty tricks and love. Truth all the time as something sideways it comes out to them.
    4. ramzay21
      ramzay21 21 September 2021 07: 21
      +1
      Are you seriously? Can these armored boats actually fight in the Black Sea? And who can the lights fight with?

      Laughter laughter, but they will really be able to fight on equal terms with our patrol ships of the project 22160, they also have only a cannon from their armament. Also with MRK Buyan-M, that of the anti-ship weapon also only has a cannon.
      1. IC
        IC 13 November 2021 03: 35
        +1
        You are right about pr. 22160. This is a typical border ship. Functionally unrelated to the normal Navy. And the task of the MRK is one, to release missiles and ...
  2. alexey2073
    alexey2073 20 September 2021 18: 15
    +6
    anti-ship missile system Boeing
    What kind of animal is this? Could the AGM / RGM / UGM-84 "Harpoon" developed by McDonnell-Douglas, currently being manufactured by Boeing ?.
    1. Flooding
      Flooding 20 September 2021 18: 26
      0
      Quote: alexey2073
      Is the AGM / RGM / UGM-84 Harpoon developed by McDonnell-Douglas, currently being manufactured by Boeing?

      I was sure that the Ukrainian military would bet on the darkened Neptune.
      although you can't joke with NATO standards
      1. Holgerton
        Holgerton 20 September 2021 19: 37
        +3
        In fact, it is still not known exactly which anti-ship missile system will be installed, since the commissioning of the first corvette is scheduled for 2024, and the announced composition of weapons may still change due to the modularity of the weapons systems used there. The same air defense missile system can be VL-MICA, and maybe Sea Ceptor, makes them the same MBDA, just units from different countries, and they become almost identical PU.
        Korostelev seemed to be saying something, saying that the development of the ship-based Neptune anti-ship missile system began only in the first months of 2021 and it will take "up to two years" to develop. So if by 2024 there will be a shipboard "Neptune", then they will deliver it, not - they will supply Harpoon, and possibly Atmaca or NSM, nowadays the range of subsonic anti-ship missiles is quite wide.
        It is difficult to judge something about this contract solely on the basis of the article with VO, since there is a loud headline, and the relevant information is 3 paragraphs long (and then, part of it is copy-paste of the yellow press). But the title is catchy and then you yourself have to look for details after each such "article".
        1. Flooding
          Flooding 20 September 2021 19: 50
          +3
          Quote: Holgerton
          relevant information

          long applause in this place wink
        2. Momento
          Momento 20 September 2021 20: 13
          +2
          they hardly need to breed a million types of RCC. on the layout of the English MRKs there are clearly NSMs. they are both lighter and more compact. and this is important for boats. but the truth is this is just a mock-up.
          Turks will be interested in selling atmaca (as I understand it is a localized harpoon). well, neptune is obviously in transit - it will be released and brought up if at least one export contract is drawn. now no interested parties can be seen.
      2. PPD
        PPD 22 September 2021 10: 55
        0
        And they are betting on it.
        They talked about universal launchers capable of carrying "both foreign and domestic."
        They are not planning any localization yet. Until such an idea has been brought to the consciousness of the corvette suppliers "

        I liked it better. From the series, do you know that you have to build everything with us?
        Either they are impudent prohibitively, or completely bad.
  3. Stepan S
    Stepan S 20 September 2021 18: 18
    +3
    In general, if in the case of the Navy ships there is at least a semblance of rearmament (if we talk about Ada corvettes, this can even be considered as real steps)

    It is necessary to let Ukraine finish building at least one corvette, and then we will be able to somehow say and predict whether the appearance of rearmament is just an appearance or the result will be real. After the Turks put the corps on the Ukrainian shipyard, its fate may be the same as that of "Volodymyr the Great". Whether Ukraine will be able to equip the ship to a combat state, or will it remain a long-term construction - I still consider the question open for the next couple of years.
    1. Flooding
      Flooding 20 September 2021 18: 29
      +1
      Quote: Stepan S
      We must still let Ukraine finish building at least one corvette

      she won't have to give anything
      the lead ship is likely to be built and armed
      it's only a matter of time
      if the equipment is not delayed, then the Navy will receive a corvette
      only doubt about the next three
      1. Stepan S
        Stepan S 20 September 2021 18: 31
        +3
        the lead ship is likely to be built and armed

        If the Turks do it, then it is possible. But I would doubt the abilities of Ukraine looking at how everything is being built now.
        Yes, you yourself have doubts in every sentence. And this is against the background of complete and unconditional confidence)
        1. Flooding
          Flooding 20 September 2021 18: 40
          0
          Quote: Stepan S
          Yes, you yourself have doubts in every sentence.

          so I don’t hide it
          the Turks will build a ship and receive payment in one form or another for it - that's for sure
          doubts begin after
          equipping the ship is likely to be delayed
          but the first ship will be handed over to the navy, even if instead of modern western systems it is necessary to put something from the Soviet legacy as a temporary solution
          the other three corvettes are an unbearable burden for modern Ukraine
          and the prospects for their construction are as vague as the future of Ukraine itself
          1. Stepan S
            Stepan S 20 September 2021 18: 45
            +1
            Western systems will have to put something from the Soviet legacy as a temporary solution

            Do you think there is a ready-made Soviet legacy that can be staged? It is not known what exactly the Turks will put on and what they will leave to Ukraine. Maybe the ship will even be fully equipped in Turkey, and in Ukraine they will simply load their food and bed linen, and this will contribute to the construction.
            1. Flooding
              Flooding 20 September 2021 18: 55
              -4
              Quote: Stepan S
              Do you think there is a ready-made Soviet legacy that can be staged?

              I admit as an extreme option
              Quote: Stepan S
              Maybe the ship will even be fully equipped in Turkey

              in no case
              you need to maintain friendly relations with Western partners
              1. Stepan S
                Stepan S 20 September 2021 19: 32
                0
                I admit as an extreme option

                There is no own artillery, no anti-aircraft weapons, no air defense, no anti-ship missiles yet. Maybe there is a radar station, but obviously not in a ship version. What can they put on the ship? Its nothing.
                1. Peter is not the first
                  Peter is not the first 20 September 2021 21: 22
                  +1
                  There is no own artillery, no anti-aircraft weapons, no anti-aircraft weapons, no anti-ship missiles yet. Maybe there is a radar

                  repeat How is it not! And on 1164 "Atlant" bearing the proud name "Ukraine", something can be found from this to stick on the corvette. repeat
                  1. Momento
                    Momento 9 November 2021 19: 40
                    0
                    in general, in the Black Sea, the air defense of the ship does not need nafig. I never understood this suffering on air defense for ships of the near sea zone. easier to cover with aviation.
                    another thing is that Ukraine does not have aviation) in general, all these shaking about the Ukrainian fleet is some kind of madness. they need to look for used F-16s ... the cheapest and most spiteful plane at the moment. what other fleet? they are simply not themselves.
    2. Dart2027
      Dart2027 20 September 2021 18: 48
      -1
      Quote: Stepan S
      Whether Ukraine will be able to equip the ship to a combat state, or will it remain a long-term construction - I still consider the question open for the next couple of years.

      In a couple of years, the collapse will be even stronger.
  4. Bad Pig (Ham)
    Bad Pig (Ham) 20 September 2021 18: 57
    0
    money is needed for a combat-ready fleet ... but with money, that's just the problem
    Well, maybe they will get one pelvis, it will all be solemn, with pomp, with speeches about "confrontation with Russia" ...
    the modern navy is not only ships - it is also infrastructure - bases, repairs, arsenals, training centers ... even just standing idle in the port, ships devour money, every day, every hour;)
    astronomical sums in one word ... for rogues from today's Ukraine is clearly not affordable
    the same applies to modern rocketry - you can close up (not build from scratch, but modernize Soviet junk!) a couple of missiles ... and even successfully shoot them at the target, but build and equip (and this is a chain of high-tech industries which are currently lost in dill) the amount necessary for a modern war is not just expensive but very expensive!
    in general - dreaming is not harmful;)
  5. Xlor
    Xlor 20 September 2021 19: 04
    +1
    The inflatable fleet will be enough for them ... winked
  6. Borisych
    Borisych 20 September 2021 19: 33
    +1
    Everything will be very simple. The Turks will do their part. Next, the T-64 tank will be installed and crucified with cables at the direction of the tank admiral of the fleet of this territory. Then it turns out that the shells for the cannon are rotten. But the denyuh is gone. They are in a pocket.
  7. north 2
    north 2 20 September 2021 20: 01
    +4
    It's not funny that this Ukraine corvettes will be built by Turkey, England, etc. It is even less ridiculous that Ukraine itself cannot build such ships. So what, the Bandera authorities there have already turned practically everyone into zombie-Russophobes, they will rip off the population like a linden tree and pay the Turks and the British for dozens of such ships. Or the French, out of work are now threatened to become a shipyard in France. In fact, no one knows exactly how much money America gives Ukraine to threaten Russia. And the whole danger for Russia is that Putin is not eternal, and Putin may not find anything like that after the end of Putin's cadence in Russia. Look though today. After the elections, some already regret that the communists did not win the Zyuganovites or, even worse, the Social Revolutionaries Mironovites. And this means that some are already tired of how Putin re-equips the army and navy, how he develops the Arctic and Siberia, how they put America in place, how he returns the Russian lands to Russia. Can you imagine what would have happened to Russia if after Yeltsin the country would have passed to the Zyuganovites or the Mironovites. That would be the end! And they are still striving for power, and it is not known how it will end for Russia after Putin. Until that time, Ukraine can arm itself perfectly, and the Zyuganovites will turn the army and navy of Russia into what Gorbachev instantly turned the army and navy into. So there is no harmless and harmless that Ukraine's corvettes piled on to build the eternal enemies of Russia Turkey and England for the money of America! It should be taken very seriously - the Zyuganovites and the Mironovites in Russia are not asleep and are waiting in the wings.
    1. Momento
      Momento 20 September 2021 20: 19
      0
      is that Zelensky Bandera?) I doubt it.
      which of their rulers was Bendera? for all 5 or 6 presidents? Only gunpowder, in my opinion, was slightly played in these games and for this it flew.
    2. NSV
      NSV 20 September 2021 23: 16
      0
      So it is !!!!! But only, nothing personal, I do not consider Uncle Ziu a real communist. But for some reason, all the generals, admirals who tried to save the Armed Forces go to them !!!
  8. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 20 September 2021 20: 04
    +3
    Kh.okh.l.a.m. What the hell, what about Abu, let's not sailors. Not a naval power. Stealing a hog in the country is always welcome. But the fleet is not them. Are incapable! Point! There are no traditions. There is no thinking. Sorry,
    1. NSV
      NSV 20 September 2021 23: 10
      +2
      Not a fact !!! We are going .... shapkozidatelstvo !!!! l / s !!! These are not three mighty Baltic monsters, with one tank battalion at all! lol
  9. Old ensign
    Old ensign 20 September 2021 20: 05
    -4
    Quote: Holgerton
    In fact, it is still not known exactly which anti-ship missile system will be installed, since the commissioning of the first corvette is scheduled for 2024, and the announced composition of weapons may still change due to the modularity of the weapons systems used there. The same air defense missile system can be VL-MICA, and maybe Sea Ceptor, makes them the same MBDA, just units from different countries, and they become almost identical PU.
    Korostelev seemed to be saying something, saying that the development of the ship-based Neptune anti-ship missile system began only in the first months of 2021 and it will take "up to two years" to develop. So if by 2024 there will be a shipboard "Neptune", then they will deliver it, not - they will supply Harpoon, and possibly Atmaca or NSM, nowadays the range of subsonic anti-ship missiles is quite wide.
    It is difficult to judge something about this contract solely on the basis of the article with VO, since there is a loud headline, and the relevant information is 3 paragraphs long (and then, part of it is copy-paste of the yellow press). But the title is catchy and then you yourself have to look for details after each such "article".

    Harpoons will be placed on the first two ships, Neptune on the third and fourth. So they plan.
  10. xomaNN
    xomaNN 20 September 2021 21: 14
    +2
    I look forward to when in the ruins of the former. Soviet ship-industrial plant "Ocean" current uk..r. will try to rivet these Turkish ships. It will be finished by 2050. Or will they also be thrown halfway?
  11. NSV
    NSV 20 September 2021 22: 59
    +2
    In any case: they will finish building, no ... !!! We have a reason to think! Even if there are two, these are no longer boats from gunpowder !!! For the Black Sea, this is already a small, but change in the balance of forces and means.
  12. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 20 September 2021 23: 09
    +1
    Ukraine bought corvettes for a billion dollars, and will buy a couple of squadrons of F-16 aircraft to cover them in the Black Sea + will soon join NATO.

    And we need to refine our naval air defense systems and conduct exercises to repel a mismatch missile strike on our ships, and not think that Ukraine will do nothing.
  13. AC130 Ganship
    AC130 Ganship 21 September 2021 03: 00
    +1
    What do you mean there is not a single combat aircraft? The same Migs of the same years of release fly well in other countries, incl. and in Russia. Su 27 - also fly in Russia
  14. Vdi73
    Vdi73 21 September 2021 07: 08
    -1
    Well, if Russia continues to supply the Bandera government with fuels and lubricants, coal, gas transit, transit of goods through its territory, maintain financial and trade relations, does not cut off the supply of fuels and lubricants to the banderlog from Belarus, then it may well be Banderlog and create something similar to the fleet.
  15. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 21 September 2021 09: 17
    +1
    Corvettes, frigates are all games with theft of funds from the Ukrainian budget.
  16. buv59
    buv59 23 September 2021 06: 07
    0
    If you want to ruin the state - present it with a cruiser. "Vladimir" can not be completed, and then 4 corvettes at once! But I am afraid that Ukraine will not receive these corvettes. Yes, they themselves understand it. They lay down a many river armored boat and immediately assign a name to it, and then the corvette was laid, but there was no name! As if in advance in Ukraine they know that they will not be able to redeem it. The Turks, too, I think, are not fools and understand the state of affairs and have already found a buyer in Pakistan or Egypt. So, just in case.
  17. Glagol1
    Glagol1 21 October 2021 00: 30
    0
    I still cannot understand where pilots are leaving in Ukraine. Judge for yourself. DD 22 - 28 thousand hryvnia per month, with our money it is 60 - 75 thousand rubles per month. Plus there is clothing, medical and so on food allowance. Early retirement, high somewhere around 12-15 thousand hryvnia. The prices there are lower than ours, especially for food. The service is prestigious, there are only 50 fighters left in Ukraine, maximum. Pilots are the elite! DD will be indexed from 2022. Not 5%, but quite myself. Who is quitting? Give at least one example! There is another problem. Equipment is aging, no replacement is visible, but drying and flashing for another 10 years fly. In the war in Donbass, aviation, thank God, is not involved. The accident is minimal. Where does this about pilots come from ?!