Improvements and upgrades. Features of the use of captured equipment in the Israeli army

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Trophy T-54/55 at one of the Israeli enterprises. They will soon become "Tyrants"

The Israel Defense Forces are known for their lean attitude towards weapons and equipment. So, during the Arab-Israeli wars, she managed to capture hundreds and thousands of units of the enemy weapons and equipment, mainly of Soviet production. A significant proportion of such material was adopted. The combat vehicles obtained in this way could be used in their original form, with minor modifications or after a major modernization, depending on the needs of the IDF.

Rich booty


History The massive use of Soviet armored vehicles in the IDF dates back to the Six Day War in June 1967.According to the results of several days of fighting, the Israeli military counted about 820 abandoned tanks and self-propelled guns, as well as hundreds of units of other equipment. Among the trophies there were at least 350 T-54/55 medium tanks, most of which were serviceable or required minor repairs.




"Tyrants" in the fields, 1973

In the shortest possible time, this technique was put into operation. By the end of the summer, the IDF had 130 combatant T-54/55, and in 1968-69. received another 150. In the Israeli army, Soviet medium tanks received the designation TI-67 and the name "Tiran". Soon, this technique had to take part in battles.

During the 1973 Yom Kippur War, Israel took on even richer trophies. The total number of captured tanks exceeded 1,5, incl. more than 500 serviceable. At the same time, among the trophies there were approx. 200 newest medium-sized T-62. Soon 72 of these vehicles were added to the IDF's armored forces fleet.

Also, in the course of several wars, Israel captured dozens and hundreds of self-propelled guns of various types, armored personnel carriers, automotive vehicles, etc. Trophies in good condition or to be repaired were taken into service and distributed among the units.


BTR-152 at work, 1968

It should be noted that captured armored vehicles were of great importance for the IDF. The quantitative and qualitative indicators of the army at that time did not meet all the requirements and wishes, which was a direct threat to national security. With the help of trophies, the army managed to build up the fleet to an acceptable amount, increasing the overall combat capability and compensating for losses. At the same time, very interesting results were achieved. So, in the mid-seventies approx. 20% of the total number of tanks in the IDF were Soviet vehicles.

In its original form


The first Tiran tanks and other types of equipment were put into operation in the summer of 1967, just a few weeks after it was captured. Then, captured vehicles entered service, which had the best condition and did not need to be restored. Processes of small and medium repair of other tanks, self-propelled guns, etc. carried out for several years, after which the restored equipment was transferred to the troops.


Deeply modernized "Tiran-5Sh" with engineering equipment

In the early years, the preparation of trophies for service did not provide for major changes. All improvements were limited to the installation of a new radio station that meets Israeli standards, and the replacement of signs at workplaces. In some cases, machine guns were replaced at this stage. The T-54 tank after such procedures was named "Tyrant-1", and the T-55 became "Tyrant-2".

In 1973, captured T-62 tanks underwent similar modifications. Their fighting qualities, determined by armor and weapons, were considered sufficient, and therefore limited themselves to only a limited translation to Israeli standards of the "Tiran-1/2" type. The updated T-62, by analogy with the previous trophies, received the designation "Tyrant-6".


PT-76 in the museum. Technique of this type has not been seriously processed.

Since 1967, Israel has managed to capture at least 65-70 amphibious PT-76 tanks. This technique, like other tanks, was refined to local standards and put into service. Operation of the PT-76 continued until the early eighties. Then they were recognized as morally and physically obsolete, and modernization was considered inappropriate.

Israeli modernization


Trophy armored vehicles in their original configuration did not always suit the IDF, which is why projects for their modernization were launched. At first, they were aimed only at improving the combat and operational characteristics of equipment. Later, some projects were created with an eye to export.


Heavy armored personnel carrier "Akhzarit"

The first to appear were the Tiran-4 and Tiran-5 projects, which provided for the modernization of the T-54 and T-55, respectively. They offered the preservation of regular armor and 100-mm guns. At the same time, part of the internal units was replaced, and large baskets for property were installed on the tower. Coaxial and Soviet-made anti-aircraft machine guns were replaced by American M1919A4s. Two machine guns were mounted on parts of the machines on the roof of the tower. In addition, a large-caliber M2 was rigidly attached to the gun, and a 60-mm mortar was placed on board the turret.

The next project, "Tiran-4Sh" (from "shair" - strong) provided for the replacement of the D-10T2S cannon with the British 105-mm L7. Ammunition stowage was rebuilt accordingly and sighting devices were replaced. The Tiran-5 tanks were modernized in a similar way.


Museum BTR-152 TCM-20 - anti-aircraft self-propelled gun on a trophy chassis

Due to the availability of imported alternatives, the captured self-propelled guns did not undergo serious modernization and were quickly removed from service. At the same time, the IDF actively used captured wheeled armored personnel carriers similar to the Soviet BTR-152. At first, the modifications were limited only to the installation of their own weapons and communications, while maintaining the transport function. In this capacity, they complemented the existing American-made armored personnel carriers, incl. obsolete types.

As the service continued, the BTR-152 and BTR-50 became carriers of various equipment and weapons. They were rebuilt into command and staff vehicles, anti-aircraft self-propelled guns with small-caliber guns, engineering equipment, etc. As far as is known, no deeper modernizations affecting the design and composition of key units have been carried out. This was due to the gradual increase in the fleet of modern M113s, which made it possible to abandon imported and trophy counterparts.

Recent projects


In the first half of the eighties, "Tyrants" of the first versions, made on the basis of the T-54/55, were considered morally obsolete. At the same time, the technique retained the remnants of the resource and could still be used by the troops. For reasons of economy, it was decided to rebuild some of the tanks into heavy armored personnel carriers. Such vehicles were named "Akhzarit" and entered service with the IDF.


Soviet armored personnel carrier converted into an engineering vehicle

At the same time, a project was created to modernize the T-54/55 and T-62 tanks for sale abroad. It provided for the preservation of the armored hull and turret, weapons, etc. in the "Tirana-4 / 5Sh" configuration. At the same time, the engine and transmission, fire control devices and other units were replaced. The modernization was carried out mainly due to imported products.

By the mid-eighties, the IDF was able to create a full-fledged fleet of armored vehicles with all the necessary samples. Some of the necessary vehicles, such as tanks, were produced independently. Other modern products were purchased abroad. In the current situation, the need to preserve the aging "Tyrants" and other armored vehicles disappeared.


The main tank "Merkava" Mk I. Its appearance launched a full-scale modernization of the tank forces

In the first half of the eighties, the process of writing off old equipment began. "Tyrants", PT-76, etc. sent for recycling or underwent repairs and sold to third countries. At the same time, the rearmament process was seriously delayed. So, the last "Tyrants" left the units only in the last decade. In addition, despite the emergence of newer and more advanced designs, about a hundred "Akhzarits" still remain in the IDF.

Thrifty owners


For a long time, the IDF did not have the financial and other capabilities for the rapid and full-scale construction of armored, artillery and other troops. As a result, she had to pay special attention to trophies, which could also be used to strengthen her units. At the same time, the army demonstrated high efficiency, and there was no shortage of captured equipment.

With the help of hundreds of "Tyrants" of several versions, various armored personnel carriers and other equipment, the IDF was able to survive the most difficult period of its existence and to solve the military and political tasks set. In parallel with this, an industrial reserve was created for the deployment of the production of all the necessary equipment. And after the onset of relative peace, it was used to the fullest. The captured armored vehicles almost completely left the units, but remained in the history of Israel.
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  1. +34
    6 September 2021 18: 10
    Hmm .. It looks like it would be cheaper for the Union to supply armored vehicles directly to Izrailovka, bypassing Arab intermediaries ..
    1. +12
      6 September 2021 19: 20
      Quote: paul3390
      Hmm .. It looks like it would be cheaper for the Union to supply armored vehicles directly to Izrailovka, bypassing Arab intermediaries ..

      Well, it was not so easy. Especially in 1973.
      444 reserve division.
  2. +10
    6 September 2021 18: 11
    Thanks to the author, albeit succinctly but interesting! How many curses on the topic of Israeli trophies were in the comments, and you can't count! laughing
  3. Eug
    +3
    6 September 2021 18: 24
    The approach is very similar to the German one during the Great Patriotic War. The Soviet army also did not neglect combat-ready trophies, more than 200 Su-76I self-propelled guns based on T-III tanks captured in the counteroffensive near Moscow were put into operation and used in the future. enemy techniques.
    1. +5
      6 September 2021 20: 39
      It is more appropriate to compare Israel with WW2 Germany! A broad, versatile, “non-complex” approach to trophy use ... only Jews and Germans are “worthy” to receive an equal number of points!
      1. Eug
        0
        6 September 2021 21: 27
        So I'm in the first sentence with the Germans and compare.
        1. +3
          6 September 2021 21: 50
          Quote: Eug
          So I am in the first sentence with the Germans and compare

          So it was necessary to "deepen"! And the mention of the "Soviet side" somehow "dilutes" the text! And the "Soviet side" is not the first in the trophy line!
      2. +8
        6 September 2021 23: 09
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        It is more appropriate to compare Israel with WW2 Germany! A broad, versatile, “non-complex” approach to trophy use ... only Jews and Germans are “worthy” to receive an equal number of points!

        Well, I don't even know whether to be offended for such a comparison wink , but Soviet technology has been used and modernized for many years.


        1. +3
          6 September 2021 23: 35
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          Well, I don't even know whether to be offended for such a comparison

          Yes, not worth it ... I'm not out of malice ... without a "cunning" trick! Pure "material" comparison! She-she!
    2. 0
      8 September 2021 11: 14
      + StuG III. used
  4. +3
    6 September 2021 18: 43
    Hmm, although they are hostile guys, they are great.
  5. +2
    6 September 2021 19: 01
    In addition, a large-caliber M2 was rigidly attached to the gun.

    What do you mean by mounting a machine gun on a gun?
    1. +13
      6 September 2021 19: 17
      found. apparently it
    2. +5
      7 September 2021 10: 39
      Quote: Flood
      What do you mean by mounting a machine gun on a gun?

      refers to the parallel mount. that is, the machine gun is aiming where and the main weapon.
    3. +1
      9 September 2021 11: 40
      On some tanks, the large-caliber machine gun was rigidly attached coaxially to the barrel of the gun and was used as a sighting gun. Similar ballistics, the same gun sight reticle and a cartridge with a tracer bullet made it possible not only to save gun ammunition, but also, if desired, to fight against lightly armored enemy vehicles.
      But only in those cases when there was no need to shoot first :)
      Well, for training in shooting from tank guns with ammunition saving.
      In the USSR Armed Forces, plug-in barrels were used for similar purposes.
  6. +1
    6 September 2021 19: 10
    Is there any literature on the use of these trophies?
    1. +6
      6 September 2021 19: 33
      There is a book in general about the Israeli tank forces. Baryatinsky wrote.
      There are chapters on the use of tanks.
      1. +1
        6 September 2021 23: 28
        Quote: hohol95
        There is a book in general about the Israeli tank forces. Baryatinsky wrote.

        "Israeli tanks in battle" is called. I remembered about this book when reading the article. Quite an interesting history of the formation of the tank forces of Israel. It all started literally with a couple of tanks.
  7. +3
    6 September 2021 19: 24
    I would like to thank the author. For myself, I first learned about an engineering vehicle based on the BTR 152.
    1. +5
      6 September 2021 21: 24
      Lebanese car, judging by the flag on board
      1. 0
        8 September 2021 11: 16
        and first the Israelis captured it, and then the Lebanese recaptured)))))
  8. 0
    6 September 2021 19: 39
    To be continued? I would like to know what the opposite side of the conflict did with the captured equipment.
    1. +1
      6 September 2021 19: 52
      transferred to the museum in Kubinka.
    2. +3
      7 September 2021 08: 55
      Quote: sergo1914
      To be continued? I would like to know what the opposite side of the conflict did with the captured equipment.

      Only a few samples fell into the hands of the opposite side.
  9. +12
    6 September 2021 19: 51
    And there were also captured IS-3Ms, although in Israel they served almost only as decoration for military parades.
    1. +9
      6 September 2021 20: 13
      Quote: Constanty
      And there were also captured IS-3Ms, although in Israel they served almost only as decoration for military parades.

      Not certainly in that way. Isa were turned into stationary firing points.
  10. +7
    6 September 2021 19: 53
    Yeah ... Arabs ... Throwing so much stuff ...
  11. +3
    6 September 2021 20: 09
    Baryatinsky has a bigger book, but it will do just that.

    A question to which for some reason there is no answer anywhere: among the trophies of Israel there were supposed to be BMP1s, but for some reason they did not hear about their use, although, for example, such exotic as trophy amphibious armored personnel carriers were used?
    And in general, somehow in the IDF there are many options for armored personnel carriers, up to "having no analogs in the world" heavy, and the BMP (even in the version of Bradley or Marder) is not visible, why?
    1. +4
      6 September 2021 20: 17
      Quote: Wildcat

      And in general, somehow in the IDF there are many options for armored personnel carriers, up to "having no analogs in the world" heavy, and the BMP (even in the version of Bradley or Marder) is not visible, why?

      Because there is no motorized infantry in the IDF.
      1. +1
        6 September 2021 21: 09
        IMHO, there were comments that one of the problems of the IDF's tank units is the absence of "their own" infantry, and now this issue is being resolved.
        Motorized infantry in the form of "riding in an armored personnel carrier" IMHO is or was feel , M113 was widely used, although you know better, IMHO. hi
      2. +5
        6 September 2021 21: 13
        Aaron, good evening. hi
        If not difficult, explain why the IDF did not have motorized infantry as a kind of troops (?). No, I understand that even without the BMP, the Israelis "couldn't stick it in the least bit" to the Arabs, but it's still interesting. Moreover, now BMP still appeared.
        1. +12
          6 September 2021 21: 36
          Quote: Sea Cat
          Aaron, good evening. hi
          If not difficult, explain why the IDF did not have motorized infantry as a kind of troops (?). No, I understand that even without the BMP, the Israelis "couldn't stick it in the least bit" to the Arabs, but it's still interesting. Moreover, now BMP still appeared.

          Good evening. The IDF has long believed that existing armored vehicles give too high risks that do not allow the infantry to attack in the same order as tanks. Therefore, the infantry always fought with their feet, and the armored personnel carriers were only armored vehicles. And only the appearance of "Akhzarit", and then "Namer" made it possible to create heavy battalions.
          1. +13
            6 September 2021 21: 46
            Everything is very clear, thank you. An army that cares so much about an ordinary soldier deserves all respect not only for its victories. soldier
          2. +3
            7 September 2021 10: 45
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            Good evening. The IDF has long believed that existing armored vehicles give too high risks that do not allow the infantry to attack in the same order as tanks. Therefore, the infantry always fought with their feet, and the armored personnel carriers were only armored vehicles. And only the appearance of "Akhzarit", and then "Namer" made it possible to create heavy battalions.

            for me, so n akhzarite and on the intention of not fighting a lot. armored transport yes, the combat unit is not very good. armor with machine guns no less no more.

            personally, when I served, I really did not like katatsya on m113. when there was an opportunity to go out on foot.
            it seemed like more chances in the fresh air than in a tin can. you can't really get out of it if that.
    2. +5
      6 September 2021 20: 22
      Quote: Wildcat
      among the trophies of Israel there were supposed to be BMP1, but for some reason no one heard about their use

      Because this is the Mass Grave of the Infantry. Nothing good can be said about the BMP-1/2.
      Quote: Wildcat
      BMP (even in the Bradley or Marder version) is not visible, why?

      Interest Ask. They are armed only with tanks and armored personnel carriers. Maybe the Israelis will enlighten why the BMP was not earlier?

      BMPs have only started to appear in the last couple of years. Namer and Eitan with a 30mm autocannon.

      1. +2
        6 September 2021 20: 43
        why the BMP was not earlier

        The concept of using armored vehicles in Israel is different .. They don't seem to need deep tank breakthroughs accompanied by motorized riflemen ..
        1. +2
          6 September 2021 20: 50
          The BMP is a very versatile piece. I think it's more a question of saving money. It was more important to increase the number of armored vehicles.
        2. +3
          6 September 2021 21: 13
          Very controversial, driving in the Sinai and even in Africa feel in the company of friendly Egyptians IMHO and there are deep tank breakthroughs.
          And there are also trips to Damascus ...
      2. +6
        6 September 2021 21: 06
        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        Quote: Wildcat
        among the trophies of Israel there were supposed to be BMP1, but for some reason no one heard about their use

        Because this is the Mass Grave of the Infantry. Nothing good can be said about the BMP-1/2.
        Quote: Wildcat
        BMP (even in the Bradley or Marder version) is not visible, why?

        Interest Ask. They have tanks and armored personnel carriers. Maybe the Israelis will enlighten why it was not earlier?

        BMP only the last couple of years began to appear Namer and Eitan with a 30 mm autocannon.


        In Israel, it has always been believed that the infantry fights on its feet, and armored vehicles are only an armored bus.
        1. +2
          6 September 2021 21: 51
          Interesting answer, thanks!
      3. -1
        6 September 2021 21: 38
        "Because this is the Mass Grave of the Infantry. Nothing good can be said about the BMP-1/2." - hmm, well, if we compare it with a walking race on a pole and on some MG ... so BMP1 / 2 is a good thing ... and considering that new races were planned with the participation of nuclear / chemical / biological weapons, then a closed volume, albeit " in deep squat "generally excellent ... plus Thunder / Baby ...
        But due to the fact that Armageddon even Megiddo did not work out fellow , then, in comparison with the same M113, the armor protection of the BMP1, IMHO, was not impressive, and the Thunder / Baby armament seemed out of place, IMHO.

        "An interesting question. They are armed only with tanks and armored personnel carriers. Maybe the Israelis will enlighten why there was no BMP before?" - it is quite possible that, indeed, because of the money, they invested in the most necessary (or tried to get): aviation, tanks, and the BMP (aka "nedotank", aka "uncomfortable armored personnel carrier") probably passed in terms of luxury. There were mentions that even in the 70s the "Czech Mauser" rifles were used in some parts ...

        In general, we are waiting for comments from Israel.
        1. +2
          6 September 2021 22: 10
          Quote: Wildcat
          compared to the same M113, the armor protection of the BMP1, IMHO, was not impressive

          That's it. If you remember that the M113 is a tracked armored personnel carrier, then it's completely sad.
          1. +2
            6 September 2021 23: 12
            in my opinion you are still exaggerating. m113 is really paper. it was for battle and was not intended from the very beginning
            1. +1
              6 September 2021 23: 15
              Quote: indy424
              in my opinion you are still exaggerating.

              Yes?

              1. 0
                6 September 2021 23: 27
                M113 has aluminum armor. I really saw holes from the Kalash from the sides. BMP will not stand 7.62?
                1. +4
                  6 September 2021 23: 34
                  Quote: indy424
                  M113 has aluminum armor

                  So the BMP-3 / BMD-4 is also made of aluminum)) this is + and not -
                  Quote: indy424
                  I really saw holes from the Kalash from the sides. BMP will not stand 7.62?

                  That's it. The question is not that the M113 is good (long outdated and decommissioned), but that the BMP-1 / 2's armor is even worse. And the M113 is an armored personnel carrier, i.e. transport the infantry to the front line, and then with their legs.
                  1. +1
                    6 September 2021 23: 35
                    I thought we were death row in such coffins to ride.
                2. +4
                  7 September 2021 01: 54
                  IMHO, if it's simpler - the M113 "from birth" holds 12,7 mm in the forehead, serial modifications - 14,5 mm in the circular one (although this is not obvious for the rear ramp). So you hardly saw the holes from the Kalash.
                  For BMP1 there are questions, it seems, even starting from 7,62 * 54 from the sides.

                  But it is still strange that having captured a certain number of BMP1s, the Israelis did not use them even as an armored bus. The Swedes did just that, without even using the BMP cannon, IMHO.
                3. 0
                  7 September 2021 11: 54
                  Quote: indy424
                  BMP will not stand 7.62?

                  An interesting question, is it stronger than an APC?
              2. +4
                6 September 2021 23: 28
                but anyway. I would not wish anyone to sit under fire in either one or the other. better by feet
        2. +1
          7 September 2021 11: 43
          Quote: Wildcat
          There were mentions that even in the 70s the "Czech Mauser" rifles were used in some parts ...

          Not just "in some", it was practically the main IDO sniper rifle in the 70s.

      4. 0
        7 September 2021 15: 56
        The Jews even have an armored personnel carrier with a KAZ, but we still have no tanks with a KAZ, some shameful visors make repairs difficult.
    3. +8
      7 September 2021 09: 04
      Quote: Wildcat
      A question to which for some reason there is no answer anywhere: among the trophies of Israel there were supposed to be BMP1s, but for some reason they did not hear about their use, although, for example, such exotic as trophy amphibious armored personnel carriers were used?

      The IDF used all captured weapons, including the rifle. Were adopted and infantry fighting vehicles and vehicles. And the latter in huge quantities. However, due to the famous quality of the Soviet automobile industry, all this technology was quickly abandoned. It is noteworthy that the American RIO trucks of the same years are still in service with the IDF.

      By the way, the author forgot to mention that the engines on the Soviet captured armored vehicles were replaced with American ones and the chassis was strengthened, since the original was weak and quickly failed.

      PS
      My former emergency chief served as the commander of Tirana.
      1. 0
        7 September 2021 10: 43
        Well, it's clear the quality is bad and everything is bad in general, only for some reason in the most difficult war for you, when nuclear weapons, which you do not have, were already suspended on the carriers. An armored group from PT-76 and BTR-50 p hit the junction of the Egyptian corps (the weakest point), ferried across the lake, which ensured their subsequent defeat. Or I'm wrong?
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          1. -2
            7 September 2021 11: 31
            Well, yes, one-time, especially in air defense, two times, one skyhock, did not shoot ...
            1. +2
              7 September 2021 11: 33
              Quote: Vissarion Golubov
              Well, yes, one-time, especially in air defense, two times, one skyhock, did not shoot ...

              What does air defense have to do with it? The Soviet auto industry did not hang on to air defense.

              Quote: Vissarion Golubov
              And not whether Sharon led the group or from his armored division. Doesn't this period include a spectacular photo, where he, with his head bandaged, works with a card, holding it in the air ...

              In the garden of Elderberry, and in Kiev, uncle.
              1. -2
                7 September 2021 11: 42
                And what is “cheered up”? Maybe dependent? It's a mistake, and you work under such a nickname ...
                1. 0
                  7 September 2021 11: 50
                  Quote: Vissarion Golubov
                  And what is “cheered up”? Maybe dependent? It's a mistake, and you work under such a nickname ...

                  Do professors have typos? request
                  1. -1
                    7 September 2021 11: 57
                    And how do you give the students two marks, if you have a lot of fun?
                    1. +2
                      7 September 2021 11: 59
                      Quote: Vissarion Golubov
                      And how do you give the students two marks, if you have a lot of fun?

                      And I'm a techie, not a philologist. Students accordingly. hi
                      1. -3
                        8 September 2021 16: 06
                        A techie can't make mistakes at all. Error in those. description can lead to unrecoverable.
              2. 0
                7 September 2021 11: 51
                Another mistake: the S-125 was just using the ZIL-131, which is in the picture. But how did you connect the PT-76 and BTR-50 with the auto industry, that's a question.
                1. 0
                  7 September 2021 11: 55
                  Quote: Vissarion Golubov
                  Another mistake: the S-125 was just using the ZIL-131, which is in the picture. But how did you connect the PT-76 and BTR-50 with the auto industry, that's a question.

                  Well, yes. ZIL has proven itself remarkably as STATIONARY PU. wink
                  PT-76 and BTR-50 and further down the list are the brainchild of the Soviet automobile industry with all the consequences in the form of a small resource, poor maintainability, terrible ergonomics, poor build quality, etc.
                  1. -1
                    8 September 2021 16: 11
                    Merkava is generally a misunderstanding. Despite the fact that many people like to buy your weapons and deservedly, there was no question of tanks ...
                    1. -1
                      8 September 2021 17: 30
                      Quote: Vissarion Golubov
                      Merkava is generally a misunderstanding. Despite the fact that many people like to buy your weapons and deservedly, there was no question of tanks ...

                      request
        2. 0
          7 September 2021 11: 21
          And not whether Sharon led the group or from his armored division. Doesn't this period include a spectacular photo, where he, with his head bandaged, works with a card, holding it in the air ...
        3. +1
          7 September 2021 11: 36
          "An armored group from PT-76 and BTR-50 p hit the junction of the Egyptian corps (the weakest point), ferrying across the lake, which ensured their subsequent defeat" - this is a rather incomplete story of how the Israelis dealt with the Egyptians. It is very interesting there, ranging from "why should the Egyptians get out of the" umbrella of missiles ", ending with the bridge, which was dragged by several tanks. And further, after the bridge, it is also interesting wink
          1. 0
            7 September 2021 12: 16
            If you give a complete picture, then you can brush away a stingy tear and be silent ... What brave and skillful wards we found for ourselves, who then kicked us out.
            1. +1
              7 September 2021 13: 26
              Wards as wards, normal. And the fact that a freebie is not appreciated - so it will show us how many times ... including show to the exit ...
              1. +1
                8 September 2021 16: 20
                I won't even write about normality. It is not at all surprising that Israel's Air Force losses are zero. At the expense of freebies, I agree one hundred percent ...
      2. +1
        7 September 2021 11: 31
        "Were taken into service and infantry fighting vehicles and vehicles." - I didn’t find anything about BMP1, I take my word for it, but you can link, plz ..
        1. -1
          7 September 2021 11: 34
          Quote: Wildcat
          "Were taken into service and infantry fighting vehicles and vehicles." - I didn’t find anything about BMP1, I take my word for it, but you can link, plz ..

          I'll find it, I'll post it. hi
    4. 0
      7 October 2021 20: 36
      Trophy BMP-1 (photo 74g)
    5. 0
      7 October 2021 20: 38
      Photo 74g. Trophy BMP-1
      1. 0
        7 October 2021 23: 55
        Yes, thanks, this photo is on the English Wiki: "Two damaged BMP-1s at an Israeli military base, May 1, 1974. They were captured from the Syrians or Egyptians during the Yom Kippur War."
        IMHO, nevertheless, as an infantry carrier, the Israelis did not like it, weak armor, cramped. And not a lot of BMP1 were damaged.
        As a transporter, the infantry did not suit, as a tank - a weak cannon, as a tank truck, apparently, it was also not very interesting.
        Regarding the absence of BMP in the IDF IMHO:
        First, "In Israel it has always been believed that the infantry fights on their feet, and armored vehicles are just an armored bus."
        Secondly - "tanks are more important" (so is aviation)
        Thirdly - what kind of BMP? Germany / France was not very impressive. In commercial quantities, Bradley appeared in the 80s, when IMHO already had "heavy armored personnel carriers" in the IDF and Merkava with the potential for landing.
        Well, now the time has changed, I think Namers - Eitans will pass for BMP with a corresponding change in infantry tactics. The German tactics "the infantry can fight and not dismount" in a new, so to speak, performance.
  12. wow
    +6
    6 September 2021 20: 45
    And in general, our then, and the current "bosses" should have thought hard - to whom and what to sell !!! Or it is better for anyone and nothing at all, so as not to disgrace the materiel.
    1. +7
      6 September 2021 21: 18
      Sell-very loudly said)))
  13. +2
    6 September 2021 22: 20
    In addition to armored vehicles, Israel also used other captured weapons ... For example, Israeli special forces used until recently ... and perhaps to this day use Soviet small arms, infantry anti-tank weapons (grenade launchers ...). I remember how one article mentioned Soviet MLRS (BM-24 and, probably, BM-13 ...) in service with the Israeli army ... I had to read about ATGM "Bumblebee", "Baby" in Israeli units ...
    I do not know anything about the use of artillery pieces, but Israel supplied the rifle and artillery to the so-called "Army of South Lebanon" - the "branch" of the Israeli army!
    1. +2
      6 September 2021 23: 11
      the babies were more of a curiosity. but RPGs together in grenades captured so much that even in the 00s they were two in each infantry platoon. were the Kalashnikovs and the RPD.
    2. 0
      7 September 2021 12: 06
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      For example, Israeli special forces used until recently ... and possibly still use Soviet small arms

      It was like this, AKM was the weapon of Sh-13 cadets (combat swimmers) back in the 2000s, I don't know now.
      And combat special forces continue to be used in missions where you should not advertise your presence, leaving behind 5.56 and 7.62 * 51 shells ..
  14. +1
    7 September 2021 00: 17
    In the summer of 1967, two intellectuals met in a cafe in Moscow.
    - Abrasha, did you hear how ours slapped the Arabs? Oh, and how many of our tanks they captured at the same time ...
  15. -6
    7 September 2021 00: 32
    For a long time, the IDF did not have the financial and other capabilities for the rapid and full-scale construction of armored, artillery and other troops. As a result, she had to pay special attention to trophies, which could also be used to strengthen her units. At the same time, the army demonstrated high efficiency, and there was no shortage of captured equipment. contradiction, on contradiction wassat read twice feel for the first time I hear that the world wanderer had financial problems ... laughing money and won the day of judgment hi good
    1. +6
      7 September 2021 04: 54
      Quote: TENET
      contradiction, read twice on the contradiction for the first time I hear that the world wanderer had financial problems ... money and won the day of judgment

      No wonder. Many people believe that manna from heaven continues to pour from heaven straight to the heads of the sons of Israel to this day, and money in the Promised Land grows right on the trees.lol
      It's not that simple, alas ...
      I wrote on VO a special article on this subject: "American aid to Israel. When, how and why?" Pop in at your leisure. It is possible that you will find there something for yourself that is still unknown to you.
  16. +3
    7 September 2021 01: 35
    To be honest, if the T-55 and T-62 were in any way inferior to the Centurions, it was only in the fire control systems. They were superior in armor and firepower (especially the T-62). Although the UVN, of course, were not so hot. I read that very often the modernization consisted of installing a more modern fire control system on the T-62 and T-55. Well, the installation of the L7 cannon, in combination with the updated sights and the LMS, made the Tyrants a very dangerous enemy, little inferior in anything, but rather even superior to both the M60 and the Centurions.
    1. +1
      7 September 2021 09: 08
      Quote: Baron Pardus
      To be honest, if the T-55 and T-62 were in any way inferior to the Centurions, it was only in the fire control systems. They were superior in armor and firepower (especially the T-62). Although the UVN, of course, were not so hot. I read that very often the modernization consisted of installing a more modern fire control system on the T-62 and T-55. Well, the installation of the L7 cannon, in combination with the updated sights and the LMS, made the Tyrants a very dangerous enemy, little inferior in anything, but rather even superior to both the M60 and the Centurions.

      Read or listen to Avigdor Kahalani. He lucidly talks about the disadvantages and advantages of Teshek.
      1. +2
        7 September 2021 11: 28
        "Read or listen to Avigdor Kahalani. He clearly talks about the advantages and disadvantages of teshekas." - you can links, plz ...
        hi
        1. 0
          7 September 2021 11: 49
          Quote: Wildcat
          "Read or listen to Avigdor Kahalani. He clearly talks about the advantages and disadvantages of teshekas." - you can links, plz ...
          hi

          I have a book in Hebrew with a dedication from the author. I don't know if there is English.





          1. +1
            7 September 2021 11: 53
            Thanks for the links.
            But the third link in the Russian Federation is closed, and the first and second - without subtitles in Hebrew ... not even include auto-translation .. recourse
            1. +2
              7 September 2021 11: 58
              Quote: Wildcat
              Thanks for the links.
              But the third link in the Russian Federation is closed, and the first and second - without subtitles in Hebrew ... not even include auto-translation .. recourse

              The third on the "First (state) Israeli TV channel". I'll find a video in English, I'll post it. Kahalani is a sociable person, he also spoke English.
              1. +1
                7 September 2021 12: 00
                Thanks! It would be very good. hi
                1. +3
                  7 September 2021 12: 29
                  Quote: Wildcat
                  Thanks! It would be very good. hi


                  There and about the book in English ...


                  PS
                  1. +1
                    7 September 2021 13: 34
                    Thank! I'll see in the evening.
                    I found both of his books, seemingly available in English, one is even sold in paper form.
                    hi
          2. +4
            7 September 2021 16: 15
            I was at the holiday in 2003, in honor of the Victory in the Yom Kippur War, near Katzrin in Ramat-a-Golan, communicated with Avigdor Kaalani and Israel Tal, interesting people, remember everything up to the minute and all sorts of little things from past wars and operations.
            1. +3
              7 September 2021 16: 25
              It is especially pleasant that I served and fought in the legendary 7th tank brigade, in the 77th battalion, commanded by Avigdor Kaalani in 1973.
            2. +3
              7 September 2021 16: 51
              Quote: merkava-2bet
              I was at the holiday in 2003, in honor of the Victory in the Yom Kippur War, near Katzrin in Ramat-a-Golan, communicated with Avigdor Kaalani and Israel Tal, interesting people, remember everything up to the minute and all sorts of little things from past wars and operations.

              Talik was called "commander" until the end of his life. He was an authoritative man.
              1. +2
                7 September 2021 18: 12
                We, too, in Russia have something to be proud of, since 1973 nothing has changed:

                Quote: ccsr
                Quote: voyaka uh
                And the Merkava-4's trump card is accurate shooting during the day and especially at night from 2.5 - 3 km.

                At this distance, if the projectile is not controlled by the ATGM type, at best you will hit by accident, and it is not a fact that you will hit the enemy's tank, even hitting it.
                So be careful with such statements - in a combat situation, we suck other distances..
                Quote: voyaka uh
                Russian tanks have 1 km less.

                Russian standards are closer to combat ones, which is why developers are very careful in assessing the characteristics of their products, and do not promote them like Israelis. But in general, as one tanker said, a rather large chief, only fools will begin to open fire in an oncoming battle from a distance of more than one kilometer, even now with all systems that increase the accuracy of fire.
          3. +1
            8 September 2021 18: 00
            The film is probably interesting, but I didn't understand anything, even if there were Russian credits ...
    2. +2
      7 September 2021 09: 08
      Quote: Baron Pardus
      To be honest, if the T-55 and T-62 were in any way inferior to the Centurions, it was only in the fire control systems. They were superior in armor and firepower (especially the T-62). Although the UVN, of course, were not so hot. I read that very often the modernization consisted of installing a more modern fire control system on the T-62 and T-55. Well, the installation of the L7 cannon, in combination with the updated sights and the LMS, made the Tyrants a very dangerous enemy, little inferior in anything, but rather even superior to both the M60 and the Centurions.

      Well, in general, that's why the last brigade of Tyrants was disbanded only in 2003.
      1. 0
        14 September 2021 00: 12
        Good day! I have a question-request.
        are there any articles or links to the exact figures of the losses of the Israeli armored vehicles in 67 and 73?
        or even H. Herzog has opuses worthy of Soviet memoirs "suffered significant losses", "most of their tanks", etc.
    3. +2
      7 September 2021 09: 33
      Quote: Baron Pardus
      very often the modernization consisted of installing a more modern fire control system on the T-62 and T-55. Well, the installation of the L7 cannon, in combination with the updated sights and the LMS, made the Tyrants a very dangerous enemy, little inferior in anything, but rather even superior to both the M60 and the Centurions.

      If my memory serves me, then the engines were also changed to American ones ...
  17. 0
    7 September 2021 09: 46
    And after the write-off, did anyone receive trophies from Israel, or did they go to be melted down?
    1. +1
      7 October 2021 20: 42
      In short (by BTT): USA, Germany, Ethiopia, Uruguay, Army of South Lebanon ...
  18. +4
    7 September 2021 09: 58
    Someone offered to give the Syrians Iskander. Maybe it immediately in. ,, Tel Aviv ,, send?
    1. +3
      7 September 2021 10: 04
      And also the commando. The IDF somehow captured the newest air defense radar station from the Arabs and transported it to them by helicopters. That's how we live...
  19. +2
    7 September 2021 10: 08
    Well done, zealous owners, caring for property.
    One can only envy and try to learn from them / us (hehe)
    1. 0
      7 September 2021 19: 21
      who can learn from them?
  20. -1
    7 September 2021 19: 08
    Stalin created Israel, armed the USSR.
  21. +1
    7 September 2021 19: 30
    During the 1973 Yom Kippur War, Israel took on even richer trophies. The total number of captured tanks exceeded 1,5, incl. more than 500 serviceable.


    Arabs are like the Papuans. threw hundreds of serviceable Soviet tanks, often without firing a single shot. They gave them practically for nothing, tk. all the debts of the "good uncles" from the USSR and then Russia were written off. Now how are they selling or giving out to "friends" tanks and other weapons?
  22. Rin
    0
    29 September 2021 15: 09
    But the USSR supplied these tanks to the Arab countries free of charge.
  23. 0
    17 November 2021 06: 31
    The one who was zealous about captured equipment was Finland.