The future of network-centric wars

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Some time ago, the domestic media gave a sensation: "The Americans stole the Doctrine of Marshal Ogarkov." It turns out that, having borrowed ideas from our Chief of the General Staff (in 1977 – 1984), they made a revolution in military affairs. It was after this that the role of control and automation systems was re-evaluated at the Pentagon and the concept of network-centric war was born. The revolutionary changes reached the Russian army almost late in 30 years, but even now a number of Russian experts reject a similar path of development, sometimes even speaking about large-scale misinformation from the United States.

The future of network-centric wars


100 years after the invention of radio, which almost immediately was adopted by the armies of leading countries of the world, began the next stage of the introduction of information technology in military affairs. Currently, a transition is underway to the combined use of advanced achievements in combat control, communications, computing, reconnaissance and surveillance systems (Command, Control, Communications, Computers, Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance - C4ISR), high-precision weapons long-range (WTO DB), unmanned and robotic means of warfare. The difference is only in the scale of what is happening. In fact, there is another revolution in military affairs, the main purpose of which was the widespread informatization and automation of the processes of warfare, under the name “network centrism”.

PROSPECTS FOR THE US ARMED FORCES

As is known, the term “network centrism” first appeared in the American computer industry and was the result of a breakthrough in information technologies that allowed organizing interaction between computers, even despite the use of different operating systems in them. It is only natural that the Americans became the ideologists of the military application of this term. In the annex to military science, network-centrism means the informatization of warfare, which includes a purposeful process of system integration of computer tools, information and communication technologies in order to obtain new system-wide properties that allow you to more effectively plan, organize and conduct operations (combat operations).

The main feature of network-centricism as a revolution in military affairs is that, first of all, it is connected not with new models of weapons and military equipment, but with their software, that is, with information technology. Nevertheless, as American political analyst Richerson emphasized, “technology alone does not make a revolution in military affairs: the latter needs to be effectively fed by a new doctrine.” It is the absence of the official network-centric doctrine in the US Armed Forces that sometimes gives opponents of such a direction in the development of the RF Armed Forces a basis to speak of network-centrism as just another expensive horror story of the Cold War.

Indeed, there is no official doctrine. Nevertheless, approaches to the network-centric war (operations) were proposed at the end of the last century by the Vice-Admiral of the US Navy Arthur Tsebrovski and an expert of the Ministry of Defense John Garstka, and later legally issued as a series of official concepts. They are guidelines for the creation and use of future armed forces, while doctrines are a set of rules for existing combat formations. Therefore, we can confidently say that the American concept of network-centric warfare (NCW) or network-centric operation (CTS) exists and reflects innovative views on the formation of a promising network space of warfare, the introduction of modern information technologies in military affairs, as well as their influence on the performance of combat tasks in fundamentally new and more efficient ways.

Moreover, one should not expect the appearance of a separate official document called "The Doctrine of Network-Centric War". Unlike, for example, the evolution of the concept of an air-ground operation, which grew at the end of the 80s into an official doctrinal document with the same name, the concept of SCW (SCO) primarily defines new principles that will be implemented in the implementation of operational (combat ) functions of troops. This process is already reflected in the current doctrinal documents of the US Armed Forces, for example, in the charter of the Air Force AFDD 2-0 "Global Integrated Intelligence, Surveillance, & Reconnaissance Operations", published on January 6, 2012 ... One of the main tasks spelled out in the charter is the formation of a network-centric intelligence system in the interests of effective reconnaissance support of the US Armed Forces in modern and future wars and armed conflicts.

Thus, to say that the concept of a network-centric operation (war), which is a military operation, uses modern information and network technologies for the integration of geographically dispersed controls, reconnaissance, surveillance and targeting equipment, as well as groups of troops and weapons of destruction. highly adaptive, global system, has died, not having passed into the category of doctrines, not only prematurely, but also unscientific. Moreover, this is the trouble of technophobes who, in principle, cannot see all the preferences from the introduction of new information technologies and the process of informatization itself. Meanwhile, informatization allows you to move to a unified planning system, to form a unified picture of situational awareness, to develop modern measures for monitoring and controlling means of warfare, including unmanned and robotic complexes. In addition, it allows to increase the transparency and efficiency of the work of the rear and reduce the level of advanced presence through the formation of virtual remote headquarters and other controls.

At the same time, it should be noted that, being at the moment a real tool for enhancing the combat capabilities, the network-centrism from this does not become a panacea for solving all problems. This is confirmed by the state of the community of military experts in the United States, which is divided into supporters who seriously doubt and oppose such a concept. The latter believe that technology occupies too much space in the American military strategy, wrongfully imposing its own logic on it. Moreover, as Dr. Alexander Kopylov, Doctor of Political Sciences, Professor Alexander Kopylov, noted in his work “On the Weaknesses of the American Concept of Network-centric Wars (Operations), Pentagon hopes that innovation will bring victory to the battlefield just as they make a profit in business. , untenable. The dominance of technocratism in the form of the concept of network-centric war leads to a number of mistakes. Among them: reassessment of a person’s ability to adequately process a large amount of conflicting information; simplified vision of the enemy through the reduction of his strategy to asymmetric actions; the unjustified bureaucratization of the command and control process and the insufficient consideration of the changing nature of the battle finally, an explicit or implicit premise that a military victory is the self-sufficient goal of the entire campaign.

There are really enough problems at the present stage, and one of the burning issues discussed by specialists is what will happen if the adversary uses electronic countermeasures to disable lines, communication networks and transfer data. The article “Network-centric front” cited an example of network-centricism in the civil sphere and its subsequent effect, when the heads of two families were given the task of paying for utilities. To do this, each of them had the same potential in the amount of 5000 rubles. One task was performed in the old manner, filling out receipts, going to the bank and defending the queue. Another, an advanced user of information technology, put his potential (5000 rubles) on a bank card and made a payment at any convenient time without leaving home and, most importantly, quickly. It turns out that both subjects with the same potentials and all other things being equal ideal conditions performed the same task, but with different effectiveness, that is, with different degree of realization of potential possibilities. At the same time, the second test subject also saved on interest for a commission.

So what can happen if an advanced user loses his advantage in information technology? As a matter of fact, nothing, since he will simply switch to the fulfillment of the tasks by the old, grandfathering methods, comparing in possibilities with his unmoved opponent. A confirmation of this was the incident that occurred in August 2011 of the year while working out issues of repelling aggression from North Korea at the joint US-Korean command and staff exercises. During the exercise, problems arose in the operation of the equipment of the advanced DCGS information collection, processing and distribution system. The reason was a failure in the software. The officers participating in the exercises lost contact with the battlefield, ceased to control their troops and could not see the enemy. The computer screens went out. Tragedy? Definitely not!

Americans are pragmatic and understand all the advantages of this approach. This incident was for them only an additional opportunity to work out emergency actions of personnel in a difficult radio-electronic environment. This means that our military specialists should not make the tragedy out of a possible opposition of the enemy, refusing the real preferences of the informatization process of warfare.

PROSPECTS FOR RUSSIAN ARMED FORCES

Despite the fact that the author of the General Staff of the USSR Armed Forces Marshal of the Soviet Union Nikolai Ogarkov was the author of the idea of ​​another revolution in military affairs, the large-scale implementation of information technologies in the military sphere began in the United States. New regulations, equipment and weapons have been repeatedly tested by the Americans in various wars and armed conflicts. We have a little bit of change after more than 25 years. For example, according to foreign analysts, during the war with the Georgian aggressors, the "good old" flaws were once again revealed in the Russian Armed Forces.

Technically and morally outdated complexes or difficult-to-target reconnaissance means without the ability to quickly transfer the collected information. Problems with communication and data transmission systems, which led to the impossibility of effective management of subordinate formations. It is a well-known fact that Russian officers had to resort to the help of correspondents who had cell and satellite telephones. The lack of any coordination and interaction between the air force and ground forces, which did not allow the formation of a truly united group of forces. Lack of high-precision weapons, which were hardly used in that war, since there were only a few copies. Another problem was the insufficient number of carriers capable of using such weapons. On airplanes, helicopters, tanks sometimes there were no infrared cameras, no night vision devices, no friend or foe recognition systems, or navigation equipment. Inconsistency with the modern realities of the theory of operational art, which is still based on the old views of traditional large-scale ground operations, and not on modern concepts involving the massive use of high-precision weapons of warfare.

Similar problems were highlighted in the works of domestic experts, who indicated that the effectiveness of the actions of the units of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation was sometimes reduced to zero due to the lack of a secretive stable link, and in some cases - a link in general.

At present, the first movements in the form of an attempt to “digitize” the control system are already occurring. But this is only the beginning. An integral condition for the implementation of the new concept is the deployment of computer networks and the introduction of information technologies, that is, modern hardware and software systems, tools for automating the processes of preparing and making decisions, storing, processing and bringing information, and much more. But the most important thing is to understand what we generally expect from network centrism.

Perhaps we are waiting for new ways to use the forces and means of warfare, which seem to have not yet been developed, and the reason lies in the fact that there is often a lack of not only an understanding of the essence of the phenomenon, but also its necessity and importance. Nevertheless, practical proposals that require close attention and study are already being received. For example, specialists from one of the institutes of the Russian Academy of Sciences developed the model of “Network-centric control of group motion of objects through configuration of quasi-force fields”. The model substantiates the possibility of transition from remote control to automatic fulfillment of missions through network-centric self-organization of all vehicles in a complex and rapidly changing environment (taking into account active opposition from both traditional air defense systems and enemy UAV groups).

What are the advantages of such an application of UAVs or other robotic means of warfare in a single space of network-centric control? According to the developers, they are as follows:

- distributed placement on the means of warfare a lot more and variety of means of multi-channel information gathering, counteraction and destruction;

- a significant increase in the accuracy of determining the coordinates of moving targets (due to their multiple determination by remote from each other aircraft (robots) and subsequent processing of information in a single algorithmic space (the effect of sounding with a large base);

- the possibility of concentrating distributed multi-channel means of detection, high-precision targeting and destruction by means of dynamically self-organizing accumulation of them at a certain place and point in time;

- dramatically increase the likelihood of successful completion of the mission while minimizing the consumption of ammunition, its own losses, which is achieved due to high quality control and maximum coordination of the combat capabilities of the means of warfare.

In addition, the institute's specialists have solutions related to the development of a new element base and its architecture, which provides qualitatively new opportunities for the full-scale solution of network-centric control problems in globally connected network resources. At the same time, such solutions, according to scientists, do not require new technologies for designing and manufacturing ultra-large integrated circuits (VLSI). According to them, an experimental batch of a prototype of the element base with a fundamentally new “control computer on chip” architecture supporting a single network of network-centric control can be implemented on available technologies for designing and manufacturing VLSI with design standards 65 – 45 nm for two to three years relatively low cost.

COLLECTING OTHERS HARD, BUT NEED

In order to create opportunities and the very prerequisites for the implementation of the network-centric concept in the Russian army, it is necessary to solve a complex task within the framework of both the Armed Forces and the country as a whole. This includes the search for new technological solutions, the transfer of the military-industrial complex to an innovative development path, the clarification of charters and manuals, the development of new forms and methods of using groups of troops, and training of personnel to work with modern hardware and software.

First of all, it is advisable to step up work on creating truly unified control bodies, developing modern algorithms for their work in solving various combat missions, forming a list of means that we plan to link into a network, understanding why and, most importantly, why it is needed. Otherwise, we will spend a lot of money on the fashionable trend and eventually we will step on the American rake, when “unexpectedly” the unsolvable problem of combining these separate, independent networks and reticulums will arise. Unfortunately, the fears are already coming true. This was reflected in the report of Colonel-General Arkady Bakhin, commander of the troops of the Western Military District, “The organization of command and control of the military district of the new organization”, announced at the general meeting of the 28 Academy in January 2012. According to the speaker, 17 ACS equipment has been deployed at the command center of the Joint Strategic Command, which are not related to each other.

In addition, it is necessary to understand that for the informatization of warfare to put the equipment a little, we must also learn how to competently use it. That is why it is advisable to continue the active implementation of information technology in the daily activities of the Armed Forces. Forcibly introduce an electronic document management system so that commanders, as well as all personnel, receive the necessary knowledge and experience in working with modern information systems. Their actions should be worked out to automatism - as with a TV, cell phone, computer. Only in this case, information systems and tools will turn from unknown expensive equipment into a real helper in solving combat missions.

There is a lot of work in this direction, as there is a clear lag in the level of informatization of our Armed Forces from similar processes in the American army. There is not even a full-fledged military-scientific library. At the same time, not only is the digitization of the works of military scientists from previous years not taking place, but new materials are not being introduced, which only aggravates the situation. For example, Marshal Nikolai Ogarkov did not find a single work on numerous domestic military-oriented resources (including the official website of the Ministry of Defense). At the same time, translations of most of our marshal's works are posted on the websites of military-scientific institutions of foreign countries. Use, American military scientists, promote your science, ensure the development of innovative of your Armed Forces!

In the interest of accelerating the processes of informatization and the implementation of network-centric principles in the RF Armed Forces, it is advisable to intensify work in the following key areas:

- clarification of the essence of the studied phenomena and the formation of a unified terminological base;

- the search for ways of practical implementation of the network-centric principles, the development of new methods of using groups of forces, as well as the development of modern tools to increase the effectiveness of information and analytical activities;

- development and approval of a family of conceptual documents on informatization of types and types of troops;

- transition to an electronic document management system, as well as popularization of informatization in the Armed Forces;

- engaging specialists from industry and research organizations of the Russian Academy of Sciences who themselves come out with practical suggestions;

- the creation of modern discussion platforms, as well as the formation of constantly working groups from representatives of the Ministry of Defense, science and industry in promising areas of research.
There is no doubt that we will not receive a ready-made short-term solution. Nevertheless, the forward movement will finally begin.
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  1. -3
    10 September 2012 08: 41
    As always, Russia came up with, introduced others. But still, our army is better, and strong in spirit. And general informatization will soon lead to an uprising of machines!
    1. sv-sakh
      +3
      10 September 2012 08: 46
      Read less comics smile
  2. sv-sakh
    -3
    10 September 2012 08: 45
    Any network implies data transmission, and any data transmission implies the interception or substitution of false data.
    We have already observed the "efficiency" of US data transmission with the example of UAV interceptions.
    In general, I agree with experts talking about the reassessment of this "network-centrism."
    1. Karish
      +3
      10 September 2012 08: 53
      You can, of course, transmit the info messages in sealed sealing wax envelopes and be touched that this is more reliable, and in networks you can replace or destroy the network with the info. Philosophy, to justify its lack of technology. A messenger can be killed, intercepted, etc. About the transmission speed of the baths I’m silent Integrated networks are the future. And those who do not understand this will never receive advanced Sun.
      1. sv-sakh
        -2
        10 September 2012 09: 01
        Have you heard, at least out of the corner of your ear, about jamming and electronic warfare?
        All this is good against the Papuans, but let me, why is such an expensive technique against the Papuans?
        This is all just a bluff / dis.
        1. Karish
          +1
          10 September 2012 09: 15
          Quote: sv-sakh
          Have you heard, at least out of the corner of your ear, about jamming and electronic warfare?

          Believe me, even better than you. Have you heard about noise-protected lines, or are EWs already able to drown out or hack everything?
          1. sv-sakh
            -1
            10 September 2012 09: 21
            Quote: Karish
            noise protection lines

            Offer to each fighter on a wire line ??? laughing
            Or equip everyone with optical transceivers / transmitters?
            Do not be funny.
            If there is a frequency range, it can be drowned out by making noise, as one of the methods (cheap and effective, negating multibillion-dollar costs).
            Something I doubt that
            Quote: Karish
            even better than you
            Apparently, all your knowledge ends up being google ... moreover, with a narrow hand and without dulling the material
            1. Karish
              0
              10 September 2012 09: 32
              Quote: sv-sakh
              If there is a frequency range, it can be drowned out by making noise, as one of the methods (cheap and effective, negating multibillion-dollar costs).

              Baby talk.
              Quote: sv-sakh
              Apparently, all your knowledge ends up being google ... moreover, with a narrow hand and without dulling the material

              Well, let’s get to you. laughing
              1. sv-sakh
                +1
                10 September 2012 09: 34
                Quote: Karish
                Baby talk.

                Baby talk is a dialogue without counter arguments.
                It seems to me you are an ordinary forum troll good
                All the best.
                1. Karish
                  -1
                  10 September 2012 09: 43
                  Quote: sv-sakh
                  All the best


                  And you do not get sick fellow
  3. Vanek
    +2
    10 September 2012 08: 58
    AAaayyyy - transfer of information.
  4. -1
    10 September 2012 09: 06
    The eternal dispute of armor-shell, defense-attack.
    The other day there was a publication "Russia launches the military Internet" (well, in this sense, at least.)
    What can you say?
    Integrated networks are good - without opposition.
    And put into orbit a couple of magnetrons, and turn them on. And in addition to using broadband jammers on the ground - and after that look for messengers and messengers - along ravines, gully.
    This is the easiest level.
    And if you first drive the network - "worms" and "Trojans" ???
    .....
    Good theories.
    Until practice is encountered.
    1. Karish
      0
      10 September 2012 09: 17
      Quote: Igarr
      And put into orbit a couple of magnetrons, and turn them on. And in addition to using broadband jammers on the ground - and after that look for messengers and messengers - along ravines, gully.
      This is the easiest level.
      And if you first drive the network - "worms" and "Trojans" ???
      .....
      Good theories.
      Until practice is encountered.

      Well, of course . all around loshars do not understand this. Tell this to someone from the FAPSI that you can crack the lines and listen, like two fingers on the asphalt. They will laugh.
      1. +5
        10 September 2012 09: 37
        Yes figley listen to them, these lines?
        They must be crushed - and all matters.
        ..
        In Orel, just the FAPSI Institute.
        For those interested.
        And I myself - REBenok, for the service.
        1. Kshatriy
          0
          10 September 2012 10: 49
          Quote: Igarr
          For those interested.
          And I myself - REBenok, for the service.

          And I think otkel is such an all-seeing eye (in the avatar) ..... Success in the service! ..
      2. +1
        10 September 2012 17: 07
        by military profession, I’m a radio operator so I want to tell you, if you know the operating frequency, even jamming it is not necessary to put interference on it enough and you’ll be provided
    2. Kaa
      -1
      10 September 2012 23: 11
      Quote: Igarr
      The eternal dispute of armor-shell, defense-attack.

      Creatus possit auferri per manum - a hand-made hand can be destroyed. This type of warfare is good against the Papuans. which every year is becoming less and less. Let them indulge, as the analogy will fit the comparative cost of the tank and RPG-7, so it will be with network centrists. When they are already quite centered, when you turn on the counteraction system, they will stupor, and what to do and how to fight without tablets and other devices. Superior!
      1. +1
        11 September 2012 07: 36
        Quote: Kaa
        Creatus possit auferri per manum - a hand-made hand can be destroyed. This type of warfare is good against the Papuans. which every year is becoming less and less. Let them indulge, as the analogy will fit the comparative cost of the tank and RPG-7, so it will be with network centrists. When they are already quite centered, when you turn on the counteraction system, they will stupor, and what to do and how to fight without tablets and other devices. Superior!


        Yeah, then let's give up radio communications to e ......
        How these "specialists" got them empty. I liked the comment on the site indicating that with such remarks we are simply explaining our technological lag and the inability to catch up.
  5. Darck
    -1
    10 September 2012 09: 10
    Some time ago, the domestic media issued a sensation: "The Americans stole the Marshal Ogarkov Doctrine."
    These are those who issued that there were no passengers on board the downed Boeing .. and was there intelligence equipment? Well, they were in the furnace, such geniuses. And there was some semblance of a network-centric war in Vietnam.
    1. Karish
      0
      10 September 2012 09: 19
      Quote: Darck
      Some time ago, the domestic media issued a sensation: “The Americans stole the Marshal Ogarkov Doctrine”


      And the X-ray apparatus is the idea of ​​Ivan the Terrible. He told his boyars - I’m with you ... and I see right through wassat
      1. Darck
        +1
        10 September 2012 10: 02
        And the X-ray apparatus is the idea of ​​Ivan the Terrible. He told his boyars - I’m with you ... and I see right through
        |
        good You just filed an idea for the Russian media)
    2. Kshatriy
      0
      10 September 2012 11: 05
      Quote: Darck
      .A certain semblance of network-centric warfare was still in Vietnam.

      In this case, the doctrine of the application of these technologies suffered a crushing fiasco ..... Beautifully skied across the ocean ... losing slippers and the honor of the uniform .... and on 8.8.08 - they also made a "planned retreat" to the eastern borders "of great georgia "..... Why, when the community" of tacticians of the general superiority of the Pin-Dos way of thinking reaches ... or exceeds the critical mass on the forum of 2-3 individuals, a kind of presentation of facts and materials begins in a perspective favorable for this conglomerate ??? " The cuckoo praises the Rooster for praising the cuckoo "?????
      1. Darck
        0
        10 September 2012 12: 07
        In this case, the doctrine of the application of these technologies suffered a crushing fiasco .....
        Naobarot, this tactic showed its advantage. As a fact, soldiers in real time on the battlefield gave a tip to bombers or helicopters, interactions were faster.
        and on 8.8.08 - they also made a "planned retreat" to the eastern borders of "great georgia" .....
        You ask them and drink Valerian, calm down.
        1. Kshatriy
          0
          10 September 2012 12: 55
          Quote: Darck
          You ask them and drink Valerian, calm down.

          So I’m thinking, what’s this for me to drink, and how can I calm down if I don’t get excited. ??? .. And the question is kind to you, and since when are you and I ??? I didn’t drink at Brudershaft (valerian for example) ...
          Quote: Darck
          As a fact, soldiers in real time on the battlefield gave a tip to bombers or helicopters, interactions were faster.

          I have enough friends who used to shoot down "phantoms" with "telegraph poles" in the air defense of Vietnam with young heroes. God forbid you to meet such people in personal contact ... ask and retreat you will have nowhere and no one ... I do not envy you ... your place is predetermined ... (fifth column completely, before the war, it is subject to total extermination --- so the Great Stalin bequeathed ... he was right !!!) .....
          1. Darck
            0
            10 September 2012 13: 14
            And the question is most gracious to you, and since when have you and you ???
            If you feel like it, you can be with me.
            I didn’t drink at the Brudershaft
            I know that.
            I have enough friends who used to shoot down "phantoms" with "telegraph poles" in the air defense of Vietnam with young heroes.
            Are you trying to impress me?
            Lord, do not bring you to meet with such people in personal contact ..... you will not have anywhere and no one to ask and retreat ...... I do not envy you ... your place is predetermined .....
            I say drink Valerian and you feel better.
            1. Kshatriy
              0
              10 September 2012 13: 41
              Quote: Darck
              Are you trying to impress me?

              Impress you, but God forbid .... a completely different fate has been prepared for you ... don’t worry ... it won’t hurt ... !!!!!!!
              Well, my dear driver ... the son of a swineherd ... on you .. dyk on you .... Live - you live!
              1. Darck
                0
                10 September 2012 13: 58
                Impress you, God forbid ....
                That is not necessarily justified, you have obvious problems with the psyche or with self-esteem, I prefer not to communicate with such people until)
                1. Kshatriy
                  -2
                  10 September 2012 14: 11
                  Quote: Darck
                  That is not necessarily justified, you have obvious or mental problems

                  Yes, you also have a psychiatrist ...... how versatile your talent is at your young age .....
        2. Kshatriy
          0
          10 September 2012 13: 47
          Quote: Darck
          Darck (

          Well, that feathered ---
          Quote: Kshatriya
          "The cuckoo praises the Rooster, for the fact that he praises the cuckoo" ?????
          .... your whole being ...... do not diminish nor add it !!!!
  6. 0
    10 September 2012 09: 11
    I must honestly admit that Russia is lagging behind in terms of high military technology.
    In my opinion, parity is achieved not only by weapons but also by technology.Here, China has taken a simple path without hesitating to do real espionage against the United States, but China does not think that simply copying will not lead to anything good either. Hence the conclusion is to develop our own high military technologies based on experience other countries.
  7. +2
    10 September 2012 09: 38
    In war, all methods of data transfer are good, ranging from pigeon mail to super modern secure networks, but none of the methods gives 100% guarantee of data safety ............
  8. Vanek
    +4
    10 September 2012 09: 46
    I saw an awesome way to hide lines in the country. So. Road to the field. Columns with the inscription "DO NOT DIG - cable security zone" on one side of the road, and the cable itself is buried on the other. So that's it. And let the civilized (God forbid) try to find out Our secrets. After all, they have how: it means it should be written. And here noooo, here it is different. Our ingenuity. Let them search.
    1. -1
      10 September 2012 19: 59
      Excuse me, why did you try to dig out the cable? This is precisely the defense against the fool. :)
      1. -1
        10 September 2012 20: 19
        Vanya ... something ... tells me that the cable was power?
        And ... someone ... tried to steal it?
        No?
      2. -1
        10 September 2012 21: 26
        Probably pass on the colormet. wink
  9. +1
    10 September 2012 09: 52
    Fighting spirit and in our century will be crucial.
  10. +1
    10 September 2012 09: 55
    Interestingly, the Americans have already got rid of Chinese viruses in their drones?
  11. Evil Tatar
    +1
    10 September 2012 10: 17
    But I liked it in the article - For example, according to foreign analysts, during the war with Georgian aggressors, the “good old” flaws were revealed once again in the RF Armed Forces.

    Here are blah analysts, like the Russians won not by the rules, tk. they have "good old" shortcomings that we have not previously discovered ...

    Laughter, and only ...
    1. DIMS
      0
      10 September 2012 11: 03
      Nothing funny. When the general selects a cell phone from a journalist in order to contact his subordinates, one must cry.
  12. +1
    10 September 2012 10: 30
    These systems are good until the first use of nuclear weapons; an electromagnetic pulse will disable most devices, although not all. And I don’t think that such a mess begins, everyone will adhere to a moratorium on the use of nuclear weapons in different environments, including in the air ...
    1. Kshatriy
      -1
      10 September 2012 11: 15
      ShturmKGB
      These systems are good until the first use of nuclear weapons; an electromagnetic pulse will disable most devices, although not all.

      Exactly ! I support unconditionally ..... AAAAschesseeeeee no one knows what will happen at the level of N-P junctions after the explosion of a thermonuclear weapon ..... The hydrogen bomb of Academician Sakharov ... will set all the parities ..... God forbid, do not live up to such a scenario .............
      1. gribnik777
        +1
        10 September 2012 12: 02
        No need for nuclear and thermonuclear explosions. This is suicide. Special electromagnetic bombs of various radiation ranges have been developed, though I don’t know about the degree of their materialization. And if the command post and transmission lines (wired) can still be covered up somehow (???), then the team executors in the field cannot have such protection. And therefore, large capacities are not needed - only the accuracy of delivery. Bunch! And all the electronics turned into a pile of molded silicon, metal and plastic.
        Well, probably something like that.
      2. DIMS
        0
        10 September 2012 12: 07
        After the use of nuclear weapons, a lot will happen. Optics will grow cloudy, penetrating radiation will spoil radio-electronic radio equipment, all photosensitive materials will be illuminated, EMI will not only damage the equipment, but also wired communication lines.
        I hope you do not propose to abandon this?
        1. gribnik777
          0
          10 September 2012 12: 13
          Then you need to detonate the neutron, so at least you can protect yourself, otherwise no decontamination will help. The Japanese are still not coughing.
          1. DIMS
            0
            10 September 2012 12: 20
            We would rather have to participate in local conflicts and fight terrorism than to exchange nuclear strikes.
            1. gribnik777
              +1
              10 September 2012 12: 23
              So I say that it is not necessary to use nuclear weapons. And EMR bombs will do anywhere.
              1. Kshatriy
                0
                10 September 2012 13: 09
                Quote: gribnik777
                I say that nuclear weapons aren’t necessary

                I am also in favor of non-use ...... a strike with any tactical weapon with the use of "thermobaric warheads" ... is approximately equal to the strike of nuclear tacticians .... the result is that there is nothing alive in the given territory .... just a lifeless desert. ... covered with scraps of our enemies .... I'm in favor! Who is against?
            2. Kshatriy
              0
              10 September 2012 16: 33
              Quote: DIMS
              Rather, we will have to participate in local conflicts

              The entire "civilized" world calls on - To prohibit the participation of Russian contractors in any local conflicts ... for they are more terrible than the Russian triangular bayonet, and it is prohibited by the previous convention ...
  13. +9
    10 September 2012 10: 38
    The other day my boys made me watch a movie. "iron man" is called. I will not say that I liked it very much, but since you can see it. Let's just say that this is the prototype of the network-centric fighter. The whole scheme was practically in his suit. That is, an iron man came to replace Superman. But it seems he was without a heart so?

    we see how often drones host that wedding. then a funeral for militant columns. But the direction is chosen for partial or complete replacement of a person in battle formations. Do you know why? a person may or may not shoot, a person may not finish off the wounded, and the machine will soullessly make it to the end. And how many examples of the so-called friendly fire? due to data errors.

    And now, so recently, he sent his elders on a campaign not for long - 5 days in total.
    Briefing compass, map just in case. although they walked in a group under supervision. The first way out is so serious in children, of course, parents worry about everything, etc. Well, the age of information technology and so on, everyone has phones by itself, etc. So the elder's wife sewed a waterproof phone case, a spare battery in a separate case just in case, and so, no calls. Moreover, there is not always a connection in the mountains. In the evening at 22-00 one text message of such content should come stupidly, "healthy, there is something, tomorrow we are moving there" What is it for? I explain the children, and among them there were no longer children, they were helpless in a situation where they were left stupidly without their phones. When in the first two days they discharged their batteries (well, they took the smartest charges with them), the parents and their children just started to panic. I had to send a message to my own to collect phones and send a mailing list to all parents. Upon his return, the child began to tell how, in the age of high technologies, people begin to feel horror from the fact that there is no connection with the outside world. Dad says it was something. when 14 year olds are hysterical.

    Yes, there are pluses in everything, but the manual take system should work and you need to be able to use and apply it. Otherwise, I just think with horror what will happen if the network-centric scheme fails at the crucial moment, and it fails - no need to go to the grandmother. It seems to me all this before the first serious confrontation. And the one who does not forget how to think outside the box and wants to make illogical decisions will win.
    1. 0
      10 September 2012 11: 50
      vorobey,
      Completely true Sanya! I completely agree with you. + drinks
      1. -1
        10 September 2012 20: 12
        And I. And I. And I.
        Hi, brothers.
  14. 0
    10 September 2012 13: 23
    vorobey Perhaps I agree with your conclusions, especially when I tried to understand the essence of what was said: "For example, specialists from one of the RAS institutes have developed a model" Network-centric control of group movement of objects through the configuration of quasi-force fields. "The model substantiates the possibility of transition from remote control to automatic mission execution through network-centric self-organization of all vehicles in a complex and rapidly changing environment." wassat soldier
    1. Kshatriy
      -1
      10 September 2012 14: 03
      Quote: Slavs69
      The model substantiates the possibility of transition from remote control to automatic mission execution by means of network-centric self-organization of all devices in a complex and rapidly changing environment. "

      And what is not clear here ?? ... The whole flock flew in and if not pecked then ... crumpled the entire territory in full ... This is the "theory of self-organization in a rapidly changing environment" ........ ........ The configuration of quasi-fields is considered in the plane of control of the group motion of this continuum ...... In my opinion, it is stated in a fairly simple language .... (if you are wrong, please correct) ....
      1. 0
        10 September 2012 19: 17
        That's right, brothers, right.

        Well, and the ability - the simplest instincts to represent a meaningful action:
        ...
        Control over the phone has ended .... take your favorite spatula (if vorobey allows) ... and start chopping enemies - how much strength is enough.
        ..
        Such a ... apparatus in network-concentric inaction is already known, no need to develop.
        He is called a Russian peasant surrounded. Tipo - Ivan Susanin.
        Everything went from him.
        1. gribnik777
          +1
          10 September 2012 19: 38
          If I am not mistaken, this principle is applied in our ICBMs with separable warheads.
          1. 0
            10 September 2012 20: 15
            Well, yes.
            And it is also a model of the "group" consciousness of the "Yakhont" group on the trajectory.
            What ... for ... bullshit ???
  15. 0
    10 September 2012 13: 32
    COLLECTING OTHERS HARD, BUT NEED

    Ahaha, we ran already to catch up with the Moscow Region, our electronics in our country are not developed at all, what systems? If you make radios purely from our materials, you will get a brick, which the soldier will throw under the bush at the first opportunity, so as not to interfere.
  16. 0
    10 September 2012 14: 04
    in our age of information boom, this is all quite relevant
  17. 0
    10 September 2012 14: 06
    It seems that the author defended himself on this topic and now continues to implement his ideas without regard to the realities of modern communication systems, especially in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. Perhaps with the appropriate software (software, hardware, etc.), the system will ideally work. But where to get the ideal conditions on the battlefield
    , because there you may not have time to switch from a bank card to filling out receipts in an old-fashioned way. There are a lot of possibilities to influence the combat control and communication system, from the Global hock suspended at an altitude of 20 km ... and with REP equipment to scattered ZPPs. You cannot extend a cable to each command post, but with a cellular connection, I think it will be tense in battle. I think that knitting "center-oriented" nets in such conditions is, to say the least, frivolous.
  18. +1
    10 September 2012 14: 55
    It is often written that NATO knows how to fight purely with the Papuan. I have a counter question, but with whom are we now able to fight? Since the example of 08.08, it was not very positive. Losses in aviation for a couple of days were frankly high. Yes, and the coordination of troops was awful.
    And kstiti to drown out all communication on a sufficiently large treyiori is VERY difficult, and you are guaranteed to have no connection either.
    Yes, and about Amy, it’s more a myth that our import military electronics is protected from it.
    1. +1
      10 September 2012 16: 09
      you know, if they give a tip to your aircraft from satellites that you cannot defuse ... it’s quite possible we haven’t lost a lot of planes yet ...
    2. Kshatriy
      0
      10 September 2012 16: 19
      Quote: iwind
      I have a counter question, but with whom are we now able to fight?

      ... A huge number of times answered such a question .... I will not be at a loss once .... In the modern world (well, if you do not live somewhere in parallel) there are only TWO COUNTRIES capable of waging a Strategic War at the level of MUTUAL MUTUAL DESTRUCTIONS .... S, W, A and RUSSIA ... we will not go into details about who and how many times can Erase to the nines ... ALL living things on OUR Planet ??????? What is the dead difference - -How many times did they kill him ????
      1. 0
        11 September 2012 07: 52
        Quote: Kshatriya
        .A huge number of times answered such a question .... I will not be at a loss just once .... In the modern world (well, if you do not live somewhere in parallel) there are only TWO COUNTRIES capable of waging a Strategic War at the level of the UNIVERSAL DESTRUCTION .... S, W, A and RUSSIA ... we will not go into details about who and how many times can ERASE to the nines ... ALL living things on OUR Planet ??????? What is the difference to the dead - how much he was killed once ????

        Who told you that there will be a strategic war? Sick imagination haunts?
        1. Kshatriy
          0
          11 September 2012 13: 07
          Quote: varvar
          Who told you that there will be a strategic war? Sick imagination haunts?

          And who told you that there is a different way (without a strategic war, you can bring Russia to its knees ?????) Give an example of a country that, in principle, can fight with us (USA, maybe! But only from the point of view of "strategic "wars) ... The military doctrine of warfare by Russia in the modern world --- take the trouble to read .... after which we will talk about the" sick imagination "... and who is haunted by something .. If you are worried about --- scratch ....!
    3. 0
      10 September 2012 16: 34
      iwind,
      Well, let's say: there is a big difference between the troops that planned the attack (and accordingly prepared) and the troops raised on alert and deployed hundreds of kilometers away (without any preparation and a clear idea of ​​the nature of the upcoming actions). As for the losses in aviation: 08.08.08. - this is the first war since Vietnam, when modern aviation was opposed by modern air defense. (The Americans did not start bombing Iraq until they were convinced that there was no "Kolchuga" filed by Ukraine, God knows who))))
      1. Kshatriy
        -1
        10 September 2012 17: 38
        Quote: Arkan
        (The American did not start bombing Iraq until they were convinced that there was no "Kolchuga" filed by Ukraine, God knows who))))

        Pin- = got out-- YOU never started a military operation without agreeing to turn off air defense (maybe that's why everyone who was considered our brothers and turned away from us?) ....... Yes 8.8.0.8 our aviation - - at the cost of their losses, for the first time since Vietnam .. PRESSED the leadership in the form of a modern air defense system ... But it suppressed ... Or maybe the Proud Georgians are feasting on the mountains of the corpses of the ALANOV defeated by them ???? ... THE SPIRIT OF THE WARRIOR IS Above All !!! Remember the words of the Great Svyatoslav: "The dead have no shame" !!!!
  19. bask
    0
    10 September 2012 17: 27
    When you catch up you will always be exhausted first. Russia needs to create its own tactical scheme for conducting a tactical war. As it will be called network-centric or otherwise, it is not fundamentally based on its own elemental base. It is necessary to include comic, air, military intelligence in the system. And everything is in mode a real time battle. Yes, in local anti-terrorist wars it is necessary to revive the airships. They will be able to monitor the territory around the clock. Not for a moment without letting go of what is not in sight.
  20. rocketman
    +1
    10 September 2012 18: 18
    All this is good, but electronic document management should be introduced as soon as possible! These pieces of paper have already been stoned for a hundred pieces a day, you are writing solid unsubscribes to anyone but administrators who are unnecessary, already sick of them And everything is urgent and urgent !.
  21. +1
    10 September 2012 18: 44
    What is now called the fashionable term network-centered wars, etc., began back in the 40s with the automation of command and control processes, and primarily with the automation of the processing and transmission of radar information in air defense systems. And this automation began, alas, not in the USSR but in Germany at the end of the war, and then it was continued by the Americans. The USSR was mainly in the position of a catching-up side, and then in terms of automation of processes in air defense and missile defense systems, especially since cybernetics was a "corrupt girl of imperialism." The question of creating a unified automation system for front troops began to be raised only in the late 60s, and more or less decent tactical ACCS (Maneuver, Etalon, etc.) began to be developed in the USSR only in the early 70s. But when they were developed and began to be supplied to the troops (primarily in the GSVG) in the mid-80s, the Union collapsed, and an end was put on these systems. Only now attempts have been made to at least partially recreate such systems (for example, the Barnaul T automated control system, etc.). But they are still far from the scale of the same "Maneuver". So who, what and from whom stole the big question
  22. 0
    10 September 2012 19: 56
    sv-sakh,
    Quote: sv-sakh
    Have you heard, at least out of the corner of your ear, about jamming and electronic warfare? All this is good against the Papuans, but let me, why is such an expensive technique against the Papuans? This is all just bluff / disinformation.


    Not only heard, but also received professional education in this area. As an EW specialist, I propose to abandon radio communications in general, and immediately switch to pigeon mail., You are our specialist,
  23. +2
    11 September 2012 07: 50
    Do you read opuses and wonder if you really want to crap with the next clash with democrats like the Georgian leader?
    Let's fight with batons, why tanks, planes ..... they can also be broken .... :)
    1. +1
      11 September 2012 12: 21
      I think no one here votes for the batons, but the presented "network-centric doctrine" is very reminiscent of the divorce of the times of Reagan's "Star Wars".
  24. +2
    11 September 2012 11: 02
    Who is arguing against the automation of command and control processes? The question is not whether they are needed or not. The answer to this question has been given for a long time and the West is now investing billions precisely to ensure the automation of all types of aircraft (infantry, artillery, missile troops, aviation, rear services, etc.) and at all levels (from an ordinary soldier to the headquarters of the highest level).
    Naturally, the possibility of using interference (active and passive, EMP, means of detecting launchers by radio and other radiation, means of destroying these launchers, etc.) is also taken into account. The system architecture includes multiple redundancy and the ability to direct information flows bypassing system elements that have failed. also the possibility of transition from the automated display of information to the application of this information on old-fashioned handwritten tablets.That is, everyone understands the strengths and weaknesses of the ACCS and does everything so that the weaknesses do not lose the strengths. , has the appropriate element base, invests money in the creation of imitation, modeling and test complexes for working out technical solutions, testing equipment and training those who will "byakat" the buttons. Well, it is very important who will oversee the creation of these systems from the Ministry of Defense. curator of ACCS "Maneuver" The head of Marshal of the Signal Corps Leonov was mainly interested in communications. Everything else was for him "from the evil one." And this seriously affected the final results. His subordinates, in turn, sacredly followed the wise instructions of their boss. And further. Before putting cons to specialists (and I gave ACCS more than 30 years of my life), go to the mirror and ask yourself. "And what are you as a specialist?
    1. 0
      11 September 2012 20: 40
      What fright did you turn to personality? I know that the transition to personality occurs when there is essentially nothing to say.
      PS 30 years of life for ASUV is a dubious indicator. It is one thing to develop and implement, and another thing is a secretary in a specialized institution. Therefore, it is down.
      1. 0
        12 September 2012 04: 57
        I don't like about myself, come on. For 30 years it has been a way from a technician to a deputy chief designer of many of the same automated control systems. Of course I dealt with the 1st department, where can you get to from it. All papers with a stamp went through it. And with the regime department too. There was also enough headache. Especially if you wanted to hire a competent "person of the wrong nationality". They were not responsible for the result. Only for vigil. We watched together with the party committees so that God forbid the percentage of these people did not exceed the permissible norm. And as the Union collapsed, so those who watched the most were the first to sell all the secrets to those who gave at least some money for them. Moreover, they sold together with a huge amount of equipment that stood at the experimental sites of the enterprise (diesel generators on KAMAZ trucks, radio stations, etc.). I'm not talking about production and other areas. 90% were immediately rented out. In general, in a matter of weeks, all the equipment was licked up like a tongue, and "pitching" and "lads" flashed at the enterprise. And when someone tried to ask a superfluous superfluous question "what, they say, is going on?", Then he, very inquisitive, gently hinted that not only the address of the curious is known, but also which school and which way his children go to school. Those. you know a lot you sleep badly. And in general, you would shed the seat while intact. I had to shed. These guys weren't joking.
        And the last thing. As it is used to strangers on "you" Bad habit. Understand. But at my age, habits are difficult to change. So, if not difficult, on "You", pliiz
        1. 0
          12 September 2012 07: 25
          Quote: gregor6549
          And the last thing. Somehow I got used to "you" with strangers


          ??? !!!


          Quote: gregor6549
          "And what are you as a specialist?



          ??? !!!
          Have you changed your habits?
    2. 0
      12 September 2012 07: 25
      Quote: gregor6549
      And the last thing. Somehow I got used to "you" with strangers

      ??

      Quote: gregor6549
      "And what are you as a specialist?


      ????? !!!!!!
      Have you changed your habit?
      1. 0
        12 September 2012 10: 47
        Learn to understand what is written in Russian, i.e. Barbarian.
        After all, there is about a person's appeal to his image in the mirror And you can also refer to him on "you". It will, I hope, forgive.
        I never imagined that such common truths would have to be explained to an adult. I hope the question is settled and we will not litter the topic with all sorts of little things. The topic is really interesting ... for those who know something about it.