Anticipation and disappointment: wheeled vehicles at Army 2021

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Roadster for the military police. Source: vk.com (Turned at War)

"Crimea", which is now not "Crimea"


The Army Forum is undoubtedly an important event not only in the military sphere, but also in the life of the country in general. Every self-respecting militarist dreams of attending this colorful event.

However, the key role of the exhibition of military-technical achievements "Army" is gradually losing.



First, because the armed forces are completing a large-scale technical re-equipment program. And many companies in the near future will have to transfer their workshops to civilian products. To carry out, so to speak, diversification.

And, secondly, the "Army" is held every year, and manufacturers simply do not have time to prepare new items. Real new items, of course, not re-assembled armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles. In this regard, we can give examples of world air and auto inspections, which are organized every two years.


MIC "Strela". Photo: Vitaly Kuzmin

The last "Armies" definitely lacked show stoppers to attract the public's attention.

For example, tank biathlon. Initially, he gathered at the screens of the people no less than the traditional ski. And now? Not the most exciting competitions on colored tanks, which, in fact, have only one goal - to improve the combat skills of Russian tankers.

Why do we still not see "Armata" at the Alabino test site?

The tank, which has a high export potential and was presented to the public six years ago, has not yet been shown in action. Why not create a "sports" modification of the vehicle and transfer tankers from Russia, Kazakhstan, Belarus, Vietnam, China and others? It would be a great advertisement for "Armata" and, finally, would revive the interest in tank biathlon.

And now how do you have to attract attention?

Ballerinas on MTO and twine on two trunks. The famous photojournalist Vitaly Kuzmin captured several of these moments of the current forum. If this is an attempt to shock, then, of course, it succeeded. As you know, there is no black PR in our country.








Performance in Alabino. Photo: Vitaly Kuzmin

Let's go back to wheeled vehicles.

And let's start with the symptomatic premiere of the Army 2021 sports roadster or coupe for the Military Automobile Inspectorate.

It has everything the army needs - rear-wheel drive, two seats, low ground clearance, a motor on the rear axle and a composite body. The circus continues in the technical description of the car, where the value of the ford to be overcome is indicated at 0,15 meters. The authors of the development indicate the specialists of the "Military-Industrial Company", but they, most likely, had a very distant relationship to the roadster.

In fact, they built a sports car at the Moscow State Technical University. NE Bauman, more precisely, students and postgraduates from the Interuniversity Youth Engineering and Technology Corporation. The first ready-made cars, assembled, to the credit of the designers, from domestic components, appeared in 2013. Since then, three prototypes have been built, one of which, apparently, was repainted in the livery of the VAI and presented to the audience of "Army-2021".


Sports car "Crimea" in the original version ... Source: drive2.ru








... and in the version for VAI. Source: vk.com (Turned at War)

The sports car initially did not have a rigid roof, but the project managers did not dare to present the device in an open version - they installed a plastic cap.

By the way, the car bears the name "Crimea", but on the forum it is just "Roadster / coupe". Were you ashamed to leave the original name for the event where foreign delegations are planned?

In any case, story with a roadster for VAI looks sad. None of the military will buy this device, in fact, just as they will not buy it on the civilian market. To reach self-sufficiency, "Crimea" needs a circulation of several thousand cars a year, and a piece production will result in a dizzying price. So it is, of course, for talented guys from MSTU to advertise a car in an absurd specification.

Piece goods


“Fulfilling the instructions of the President of the Russian Federation” - this is how they explain the appearance of the civilian SUV-pickup “Strela” in the “Military-Industrial Company”.

Indeed, quite recently, Vladimir Putin openly called on the military industry to move quickly to the peaceful market. The motivation is simple - the army, in the end, will be saturated with modern technology, and the flow of orders will dry up. The Military Industrial Company took everything literally and presented the 3,5-ton unarmored Strela. By the way, the developers have not yet fully decided who this technique is for: for the military or civilians. On the Drive2.ru website, the authors suggest either transporting oversized cargo, or installing a turret with a "Kord" on the roof, or an anti-tank "Cornet" in general.


















A brutal "Arrow" of dual use. Source: drive2.ru

Interesting is the wording that before the development "a market analysis has been carried out, the possible production cost has been determined, taking into account the potential serial production."

Do we sell a lot of cars with a curb weight of 3,5 tons?

And if it is for sale, then who will force the buyer to take the "Strela", and not the overseas Toyota Sequoia or Chevrolet Suburban?

Given that the prices are likely to be similar. Of course, Strela will also have its customers, but they will never take even parts from a full-fledged series. And this is not idle speculation. An example with piece sales of the conversion "Tiger" to prove this.

This leads to the fact that the military-industrial companies misunderstand the essence of the diversification that Putin spoke about. Replacing the armor with rolled steel and light touch-up of the external appearance will not make yesterday's army vehicle successful in the market.

And again, a typical example - the Ulyanovsk Automobile Plant is now kept afloat only due to government orders. That is why, if a Russian needs a relatively inexpensive, but real SUV, he must buy an archaic from the UAZ line.

Conversion is, first of all, the development of machines using units of military equipment, which will be accepted by the civilian market. And this really requires sophisticated marketing and considerable funds.

What's new we won't see?


Army 2021 really inspired hope in terms of wheeled vehicles. After all, it is the most common type of transport in the military and is rapidly becoming obsolete.

Experts highly expected News about the notorious "Platform-O" - about the only completely new project of domestic automotive technology. Didn't wait.

And there are many reasons.

Firstly, the development is openly stalled - the authors cannot get rid of the import dependence in any way, as well as bring to mind the most complex fully-controlled scheme with motor-wheels.

Secondly, Belarus has become closer and much weaker: Minsk has already introduced state regulation of prices for heavy equipment, and this is not at all a sign of economic health.

The question arises, why bother KamAZ with the "Platform-O", if the "brotherly" MZKT makes excellent analogs?


Previously, "Platform-O" was among the main novelties of the forums. Source: sibnarkomat.livejournal.com


It is quite likely that a fresh Belarusian MZKT-741501-010 will become a substitute for the tank-carrying part of the Platform-O vehicles. Parameters: engine TMZ 84632.10 V8 with a displacement of 17 240 cm3 develops 525 liters. sec., the gross weight of the road train is 93,5 tons, the maximum speed is 65 km / h. Source: autoreview.ru

Restrained optimism is caused by news about a decrease in the level of imported parts in domestic armored vehicles of the leading edge - for example, in Typhoon and Linza. The share of domestic components in such equipment reaches 70%, and they increase it as best they can. For example, they are finally installing Russian bulletproof wheels "Kama-NU-401". The chief designer of Remdiesel (a military clone of KamAZ) Igor Zarakhovich comments for the Military Industrial Courier publication:

“New wheels“ Kama-NU-401 ”are intended for all our cars, they are produced in Nizhnekamsk. Now they are in the process of state tests. After their completion, we will begin to equip our cars with such wheels. "


K-5350-K1 "Mustang-M". Photo: Vitaly Kuzmin

By the way, about Remdizel and KamAZ.

Like many years before, the automakers did not present anything new, but only rolled out the K-5350-K1 "Mustang-M" with an armored cab. Obviously, no adequate replacement for the well-deserved KamAZ of the 4310 series is expected.

By the way, as well as projects on platform robotization. They did not wait for the “Army-2021” running prototype of an autonomous truck based on KamAZ-5350. In Naberezhnye Chelny, by the way, above the wheeled robot have been working since 2015.

Maybe the global crisis in the semiconductor industry has affected?

Look, even in the civilian car industry they temporarily abandoned the mandatory installation of the Era-GLONASS kit. The reason is the chronic shortage of chips on the production line. I don't want to draw parallels, but in the US, Oshkosh Defense has been offering autonomous heavy trucks for the army for seven years now. How much this can potentially save lives is anyone's guess.


Ural-66. Source: voennoedelo.com

It is customary to end on a good note, so let's focus on the competition.

It turns out that it exists in the Russian military industry. The automobile plant from Miass presented the Ural-66 bonneted truck at the forum. The name speaks - the Urals are preparing a replacement for the legendary GAZ-66. The only thing is that the replacement has long been in the Russian army, and more than one. From the side of the Gorky Automobile Plant - these are "Sadko" and "Sadko-NEXT", and KamAZ has long been supplying the military with airborne 43501. But competition is still good.
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  1. +29
    26 August 2021 04: 28
    Yes, VAI's outfit on a puzoterka is beyond the bounds! laughing
    1. +6
      26 August 2021 05: 23
      Just drawing attention to the development and that's it. The usual PR move. Although your cars can be anything. They ride on normal roads 95 percent of the time)
      1. +4
        26 August 2021 05: 32
        Quote: carstorm 11
        Although your cars can be anything. They ride on normal roads 95 percent of the time.

        But as soon as the road is off, so at least quit, right? wink
    2. +9
      26 August 2021 05: 23
      Eugene thanks for the auto review! There is no time to watch TV and videos from YouTube, but at the end of the daily shift with a sandwich in one hand and a mug of coffee in the other - I found it! Thanks again!
    3. +2
      26 August 2021 08: 49
      And so it is clear that this machine, so that the authorities do not stay late at work. laughing
    4. +4
      26 August 2021 09: 58
      In the Arbat military district, isn't it necessary for the VAI?
    5. 0
      27 August 2021 16: 53
      But the jeep is wow!

      If you make a board from a thin stainless steel, it's generally super. Technology will be eternal!
      I read about it, there bending machines and laser cutting for panels are used, "bypass technologies", without stamping. So everything will be very interesting. And lovers of leather and light bulbs can drive into the tuner's garage and get a luxury salon.

      Musk will make his "Cybertrack" from cut stainless steel, by the way. And he is declared bulletproof in pistol calibers.

      I remember the legend "DeLorean" from the movie Back to the Future made of stainless steel. The breakthrough that was trampled ...
      1. +3
        28 August 2021 21: 01
        John De Laurian became famous not for his cars, but for the book "General Motors in True Light". About wrong management ... My mother read to me as a child.
        Sincerely
  2. -6
    26 August 2021 04: 34
    Why not create a "sports" modification of the vehicle (Armata) and transfer tankers from Russia, Kazakhstan, Belarus, Vietnam, China and others?

    Information for the author. The Chinese and Belarusians are driving their tanks.
    Learn the materiel! belay
    1. 0
      26 August 2021 05: 03
      Quote: Nafanya from the couch
      Information for the author. The Chinese and Belarusians are driving their tanks.
      Learn the materiel!

      No.
      Why not create a "sports" modification of the vehicle and transfer tankers from Russia, Kazakhstan, Belarus, Vietnam, China and others? It would be a great advertisement for "Armata" and, finally, would revive the interest in tank biathlon.

      Right - right! At the same time, retrain all crews and sell a couple to all countries for training! Yes And for one thing, and in classic biathlon, pick up their pukers from skiers and stick SVD-in fellow advertising will be and sales will skyrocket! laughing
    2. +18
      26 August 2021 05: 25
      The expression "Learn the materiel" must be banned on the forum, because it is outdated, bored and applied, as a rule, out of place !!!
      Well, but seriously, then, of course, I would like to look at Armata in action. But it is unrealistic to equip all teams with a copy for training, perhaps in 20 years. You can drive one Armata "out of competition", that is. starts with everyone, but does not participate in the drawing of prizes. Or a couple of Armats in an out-of-competition program, separately. As it was with the T-80 with female crews.
      Yes, biathlon is no longer interesting ((((
      1. +7
        26 August 2021 07: 05
        Quote: MBRBS
        Yes, biathlon is no longer interesting ((((

        Agree. And why not invite the teams to perform on their own technique - the one that they consider to be the best. This will be biathlon. What if someone brings their "Abrams", "Leopard" or "Merkava".
        Here it will immediately become clear how much.
        1. +3
          26 August 2021 13: 53
          Nobody bothers to fit neither Abrams nor Merkava, the Chinese bring their own and nothing.
        2. 0
          1 September 2021 08: 37
          We have an emphasis on racing, but here Merkava and Abrams will concede, for sure. But in shooting, it can turn out oblomingo already with us. With the firing of guided missile projectiles, it was not completely set, for example, although this weapon is declared as a "long arm". But foreigners are simply not interested. Their competitions do not look so good, but there are disciplines that are much more necessary for real combat.
      2. 0
        3 September 2021 08: 43
        Quote: MBRBS
        Yes, biathlon is no longer interesting ((((


        Everything is too bureaucratic to start shooting - get permission, before loading shells - line up, etc. We need to develop competition, add new ones: for example, shooting from a moving tank at a moving target.
  3. 0
    26 August 2021 05: 20
    Author. In principle, there will be no replacement for Kamaz for the simple reason that since 18 years the Ministry of Defense simply does not buy them. Only Tornadoes and Typhoons. Urals and Kamaz as a brand everything. The head of the department of the Ministry of Defense personally spoke about this.
  4. -2
    26 August 2021 06: 53
    Quote: Author
    ... and presented a 3,5-ton
    unarmored "Arrow".

    Well, what for me unarmored?
    in the Ukraine they approached this more sensibly.
    1. 0
      26 August 2021 09: 13
      It is the main one - armored. This is a model for studying the civilian market. UAZ does not fish ... .. there is no SUV in the country. The generals were transferred to Hawal N9.
    2. +3
      26 August 2021 11: 32
      Quote: Gunter
      Quote: Author
      ... and presented a 3,5-ton
      unarmored "Arrow".

      Well, what for me unarmored?
      in the Ukraine they approached this more sensibly.

      Here you decide for yourself what you need and what not. What was the smarter approach there?

      This unarmored Arrow is made by students from Baumanka, well, some more specialists. This is just a layout for now. They just made a show on the forum. They also make a roadster Crimea. In this Arrow, spare parts from the Gazelle will be used for the most part, in the roadster they used from Kalina. The task is to unify and reduce the cost of production as much as possible. We'll see how it goes. But for the idea, definitely like
      1. -2
        26 August 2021 12: 53
        Cron, students can have fun as they wish - why are they worse than Prokhorov's lanky watchtower with a yo-mobilelaughing
        and in Ukraine you can buy a "decommissioned" T-55 or BRDM-2, tuning offices are available.
        Alexander Zubenko, head of press
        traffic police service of Ukraine:
        - On such a technique, you can travel by
        roads: silskim, pose by populations
        points, on the road, on the road, on the road
        zagalny koristuvannya.
        wassat
        1. 0
          26 August 2021 13: 22
          Quote: Gunter
          Cron, students can have fun as they wish - why are they worse than Prokhorov's lanky watchtower with a yo-mobile

          I wrote, we'll take a look. Anything is better than whining in the comments endlessly. They are already finishing the Roadster 3 and bringing it to mind, we will soon see what happened. He does the military-industrial complex together with students.
          and in Ukraine you can buy a "decommissioned" T-55 or BRDM-2, tuning offices are available.

          The only question is why?

          The arrow has a completely different purpose. They want to make the cheapest SUV, using spare parts from the Gazelle. Cheap to buy and cheap to maintain. More than a sane idea in my opinion. One of the options is that when the project is ready, this car can be produced at the facilities of GAZ itself. As it will be, we'll see again.
          They just brought it to the forum to show it. This does not mean that he will go to the army. As I understand it, this car is aimed more at the civilian market. You can also bring your sample there.

          Therefore, decide for yourself whether you need a T-55 or BRDM-2, or something else. No one is forcibly imposing anything on you.
  5. +5
    26 August 2021 07: 35
    Vladimir Putin openly called on the military industry to move quickly to the peaceful market.
    that is, as president, he only calls?
    I also constantly urge to strengthen the economy, invest in the development of our own industry, study new technologies, develop patriotism, and so on.
    But the results are the same with the president.
    1. 0
      26 August 2021 13: 04
      Can he order them directly?
  6. +11
    26 August 2021 07: 41
    It would be very interesting if guys from the Bundeswehr came to the tank biathlon. They often receive first prizes at NATO competitions. That would be interesting. And so, all about the same tanks. In a real biathlon, everyone comes with their own skis and rifles. It's the same here. Let's take the T-90 against the Leopard 2A7. Moreover, there are regular crews on both sides. This will be interesting
    1. +3
      26 August 2021 09: 11
      Everything depends on the rules ... ... if you spend it at night? If a team? Should you compete in shooting on the move? If you hit targets at the maximum?
      1. +2
        26 August 2021 17: 14
        And this is exactly what is needed. Hit moving targets on the move. In poor visibility conditions. At night. How the competition takes place in NATO. It is necessary to compare not only the crews, but also the tanks themselves. I would also put on such an exercise - leaned out - fired, went in reverse for cover. Or there. How long a tank can drive from a standstill in 30 seconds - throttle response. Both forward and reverse. At the real biathlon, I repeat, everyone comes with their own skis and their own rifle. It really would be interesting. Just see how the Russian, let not the T-90, but the T-72 will catch up with the German Leopards 2A6-A7 or there with the French Leclercs. Comparing one version of the T-72 with another version of the same T-72 is not at all relevant. But the T-90 against the Black Panther, that would be interesting. Just see if the price of the Korean tank is justified or not.
        1. 0
          26 August 2021 20: 30
          There should be some averaged rules ...
      2. 0
        26 August 2021 18: 18
        if you spend it at night?

        Do you hope that until now "the Germans do not fight at night"? laughing
        1. 0
          27 August 2021 01: 23
          It is just on a German tank that it is much easier and more convenient to fight right now.
          all night vision equipment he has an order of magnitude better than ours
          so if it was shooting during the night, then I think that the Germans will win ..
    2. 0
      27 August 2021 11: 54
      Quote: Baron Pardus
      In a real biathlon, everyone comes with their own skis and rifles


      I apologize for being boring, but in real biathlon - German Anschutz rifles are out of competition.

      Most biathletes perform with Anschutz rifles, the minimum price for which is 150 rubles. It is clear that athletes use more expensive options, and fitting for a specific athlete costs money. So, the average price of a rifle for biathletes is about 000 rubles. Izhevsk rifles are cheaper, but few people use them.

      the swallow in the photo - 455000 forever wooden Putin rubles.
  7. +3
    26 August 2021 07: 42
    Not the most exciting competitions on colored tanks, which, in fact, have only one goal - to improve the combat skills of Russian tankers.
    One goal is the show to cut more money and attract the audience. And what does the increase in combat skills have to do with it ?! it's not even a training fight between teams
    Why do we still not see "Armata" at the Alabino test site?
    Because Armata was not created for tank biathlon, but for participation in real military operations. And in these games only to destroy the resource of expensive equipment, so modern tanks will not be sent there.
    1. -2
      26 August 2021 08: 53
      And what other tanks did they do for sports? T-90s is it from the word sport? Maybe just while they are afraid to ... turn around. These are not commercials to shoot, all the jambs will be immediately visible here.
      1. 0
        26 August 2021 22: 22
        This is not a sport .... this is training for tank crews.
  8. 0
    26 August 2021 09: 09
    Replacement of Gaz66 is both Tigers and Typhoons …….
  9. 0
    26 August 2021 13: 02
    About Armata. The author proposes to show at competitions a tank that is just entering trial operation in a unit (in fact, for military trials)? Obviously, the car is raw (any car at this stage of development is raw). Those. with her, there will definitely be technical problems on the track. That would be advertising ...
  10. +1
    26 August 2021 13: 03
    The question arises, why bother KamAZ with the "Platform-O", if the "brotherly" MZKT makes excellent analogs?

    the author of course will not answer the question what if these brothers suddenly become non-brothers.
    of course why. have already passed with Khokhlyatsk aircraft engines. all the more so given the fact that the dad tries to play on two fronts with a bad game.
    1. 0
      26 August 2021 22: 24
      Now there are also powerful civilian tractors. Ural type, Basic and the same Kamaz trucks with civil diesel engines of 500-750 hp each. NATO goes this way
  11. +3
    26 August 2021 13: 03
    And again, a typical example - the Ulyanovsk Automobile Plant is now kept afloat only due to government orders.

    I hasten to notify you that government orders no longer help, the enterprise is confidently slipping into oblivion, machine tool production has been ditched, for the sake of the main conveyor, why do we need production, now we can buy everything from China, so why the production of boxes, motors itself - the Chinese will do , and we will collect, it is true, as always, crookedly, obliquely, but for us Russians it will do, and then we will admire Mercedes and BMWs, and wonder why they can’t do this with us. Yes, everything is simple - because we do not love ourselves, and we have no pride in our profession. As one of my young people says, for now, a colleague about defective parts - all sorts of things are needed.
    And the second important question is, who will buy the products? That Moscow and St. Petersburg and Kazan will be able to redeem the entire assortment? In other regions with money as it is not thick, and those who steal prestigious Ynomarki give them - Maybachs, yes Bentley, they do not "ride" on Ladas.
    1. +2
      26 August 2021 18: 38
      In Moscow and St. Petersburg, UAZ SUVs are not needed. SUVs are needed in rural areas and in the remote outback.
  12. +2
    26 August 2021 19: 18
    Army and ballerinas


    1. 0
      29 August 2021 00: 47
      Ballerina ... balleron, how to steal a million?
  13. +2
    27 August 2021 04: 40
    Everything about civilian cars is absolutely true.
    "Crimea" no one more expensive than 600-700 thousand will not buy, well, there is nowhere to drive it.
    But I would buy "Strela" ... for pokatushki, but subject to a decrease in size and especially length by a meter, a decrease in weight by at least a ton, and at a price not higher than 1,5-2 million. But ...
    So for now, it's better to let it be a Jeep Wrangler.
  14. -1
    27 August 2021 06: 23
    armored vehicles of the front edge - for example, in the Typhoon and Linza.


    Sounds wild front edge armored car... Back to basics?
    To the First World War?
  15. 0
    27 August 2021 11: 45
    The factories working with military orders don't want to hear about the conversion.

    As long as I remember that KAMAZ and Uralaz - it is worth placing an order from the Ministry of Defense, both factories throw civilian orders aside (already paid, contracted) and for 2-3 months customers are trampling on and asking when will you give us the prepaid equipment? Itself so several times "flew in".
    And the fact that you have a deadline - the factories do not care.

    Then the crunch ends and both factories (through dealers) whine, take something ...
    And how did you forget about the deadlines? And we, too, moved to the "Chinese" and cheaper and break less often and the resource at times.
  16. -1
    27 August 2021 22: 46
    They let them down from above to do something, but when you ask what product, successful on the world market, has been created in Russia over the past 20 years, then in response there is silence. Perhaps Aurus will shoot, and even then it is not a fact yet. The system is rotten.
  17. 0
    28 August 2021 16: 06
    insanity, I could not find another word.
  18. 0
    29 August 2021 01: 00
    About Strela.
    As a designer myself (in the past ...) I see this car with the current stunned childish-female look of the front of the face as a grief. Funny brothers.
    It is necessary for him to change the charisma of the muzzle of the face (for better implementation).
    Roll up frowned eyebrows.
    Form the radiator fins into a group.
    Tilt the face up and down. Make a shark, but without brute force. Measure is necessary in design, taste, but here it is not.
    1. 0
      29 August 2021 01: 31
      I reviewed "Arrow" again.
      The absence of a protruding lower jaw and the appearance of a face with frankly knocked out teeth of a bum.
      My opinion.
      You can fix it, but you need to twist it in 3D programs.
    2. 0
      22 October 2023 16: 29
      Eat. This is a Russian Hummer. laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing
  19. -2
    29 August 2021 01: 19
    "Ural" with a design that is not aggressive and not even neutral.
    The design of "Ural" is made in the style of "I, what ... I am nothing, do not touch uncle, do not offend ..."



    THAT is horror.
    Who drew it, who did it?
    Let me guess ... boys with bloody eyes from games! Have you guessed?
    1. +1
      1 September 2021 09: 48
      The design here is not the worst, what "American" Oshkosh was taken as an example ....... It was voiced as "Novelty" but how does it differ from the new 4x4 Lawn, was it presented last year? Ural ive GAZ entered last year, then something was sold there because of the sanctions against Deripaska to another oligarch. , roofing felts all "GAZ", or the Urals only .....
    2. 0
      2 September 2021 19: 35
      Quote: DED_peer_DED
      THAT is horror.
      Who drew it, who did it?
      Let me guess ... boys with bloody eyes from games! Have you guessed?

      ===
      what's the horror? for me the continuity is so visible.
    3. 0
      22 October 2023 16: 31
      It always seems like his hood and radiator are open.
  20. Bow
    0
    31 August 2021 04: 28
    the armed forces are completing a large-scale technical re-equipment program. And many companies in the near future will have to transfer their workshops to civilian products.

    Uhm ..
    From the outside, to admit, it seemed that they could not start in any way: Armata with the whole family, the SU-57, the ill-fated IL-112, etc. - here in general it is practically zero or negative. And where not by zeros - it is still far from brought to mind, both in terms of characteristics and quantity.
    But we looked at all this and believed that a miracle would happen and things would get off the ground.
    And you say that that's all you have achieved. How is that?
  21. 0
    1 September 2021 09: 46
    If "Arrow" is made serially with quality \ gazelle NEXT ...... then quite a machine. And a diesel cargo 2,8 l ... just then put on the army version?
  22. 0
    17 November 2021 22: 11
    The arrow (if made on those units that declare it will be a competitor to pickups and utilitarian 4x4 .... There is a question of prices, clear parameters (size, weight, power, type of you) that it would be profitable to buy and use. And it fit all sorts protective standards.