In an atmosphere of secrecy. Tests of the Burevestnik cruise missile

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Test launch of "Burevestnik", 2017-18 Photo of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

In 2018, for the first time, they talked about a promising domestic cruise missile of unlimited range, later called the Burevestnik. By the time the information was disclosed, the project had reached flight tests, and in the future, new launches were repeatedly carried out. Reportedly, the next such event may take place in the very near future.

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The "premiere" of the future "Burevestnik" took place on March 1, 2018 as part of a speech by Russian President Vladimir Putin. The head of state revealed the very fact of the existence of a new rocket, and footage of flight tests was also shown. Later, foreign media, citing intelligence sources, indicated that the flights had been carried out since the fall of 2017.



In mid-July 2018, the Ministry of Defense showed the workshop in which experienced "Petrel" are assembled. In addition, it announced the imminent conduct of new flight tests. but news the implementation of these plans was never received. Probably, the next flights of experimental missiles took place, but they did not talk about them.

Subsequently, the Burevestnik project was repeatedly mentioned by officials in the context of the modernization of the army and the creation of new types of weapons. It was argued that work on the new missile continues, and in the future it will go into service. At the same time, no details of the tests were given, and the timing of setting on duty was not named.


The product is in the workshop. Photo of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

However, the domestic media several times published interesting information received from unnamed representatives of the defense industry and the military department. For example, in February 2019, it was reported about the successful completion of tests of a nuclear power plant for the Burevestnik. There was also news about the possibility of adopting the missile into service by 2025.

According to foreign intelligence


Promising Russian projects naturally attract the attention of foreign armies, intelligence services and the media. This leads to very interesting results: most of the reports on the tests of the "Petrel" to date came precisely from abroad. News of this kind is published with reference to intelligence data or reports from analytical organizations.

So, back in the summer of 2018, the American TV channel CNBC learned from its sources in the US intelligence agencies that flight tests of the Russian missile had been carried out since November 2017. Before the official disclosure of information in March, they managed to carry out several launches. At the same time, not all were successful: one of the missiles sank in the Barents Sea, and the military had to organize an operation to lift it.

In February 2019, new publications appeared in foreign media about the next stage of testing the Russian missile. According to some of them, at that time it was already about the 12th or 13th flight. At the same time, it was argued that only one test launch was successful during all the time.


Several missiles of a new type. Photo of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

It is curious that a few months later, in September 2019, other information arrived. Again, citing intelligence, the American press claimed that at least five unsuccessful launches took place during the tests. Against the background of the previous news about one success in a dozen launches, such a message sounded extremely interesting - and cast a shadow on all published information allegedly received from intelligence organizations.

A real wave of publications about the "Petrel" took place in August-September 2019, the reason for it was the accident at the Nyonoksa test site. An explosion occurred there, as a result of which several people were killed and injured. In addition, an increase in the radiation background was noted in the nearest regions. Foreign media, research organizations and even US President Donald Trump have linked this incident to a test program for a new cruise missile.

However, Rosatom soon disclosed the details of the incident. The accident occurred on an experimental liquid propulsion system with a radioisotope power source. The connection of this product with the Burevestnik was not reported. Moreover, these projects are unlikely to be related to each other: as far as we know, the rocket is equipped with an air-jet engine.

Since the fall of 2019, news about the tests of the Petrel has not appeared in foreign media. However, interest in this project did not disappear, as a result of which various articles were regularly published on the possible timing and features of the deployment of such weapons, its role in military-political processes, etc.

In an atmosphere of secrecy. Tests of the Burevestnik cruise missile
A recent snapshot of the Pankovo ​​landfill. Photo Planet / Middlebury Institute of International Studies Center

New challenges


Whether the promising rocket has been tested since the fall of 2019 is unknown. But now it is reported that the next launch is imminent. As expected, information about this appeared in the foreign press, and the Russian Ministry of Defense has not yet commented on it.

On August 19, CNN reported on the possible continuation of the tests. The reason for this news was satellite images of the Pankovo ​​test site on Novaya Zemlya, taken on August 16 by Capella Space. In addition, additional data was provided by the Middlebury Institute of International Studies Center, which has satellite images from the operator Planet.

Photographs and radars show that until recently, one of the launch sites housed a light shelter that protected personnel and equipment from the elements. Now it has been removed, and, presumably, the launcher and various equipment remained on the site. Some of these objects were missing from the previous photographs.

As circumstantial evidence of preparations for the launch, a recent notification from the Ministry of Defense is cited. In accordance with it, from 15 to 20 August, one of the water areas near Novaya Zemlya near the landfill is closed for navigation.

If foreign journalists and analysts are right, news about the next launch of Burevestnik should appear in the very near future. It is very likely that such reports will reappear in foreign media, while the Russian military department will remain silent.


Snapshot dated August 16. Photo by CNN / Capella Space

In an atmosphere of secrecy


In general, the current situation around the Burevestnik project is simple and understandable, although not all the details are known. So, it is clear that the promising rocket entered flight tests four years ago and remains at this stage for now. The production of pilot batches of missiles has been established, and launches are also carried out regularly. Apparently, there should be both successful and unsuccessful flights.

From foreign reports of unclear reliability, it follows that by now at least 10-12 launches have been performed, and at least half have been successful. In addition, right now the next start is being prepared, which, most likely, will have to confirm the correctness of the design decisions in general and the latest fine-tuning measures.

It is to be expected that our Ministry of Defense will again not disclose the fact of the test launch and its results. However, this circumstance will not in any way affect the course of the project. The works will continue and give the desired results, regardless of their coverage in the open press. Moreover, such secrecy also has positive aspects.

Thus, there is no doubt that work on the "Petrel" continues and gives a certain result, although the military and industry are in no hurry to announce all their successes. However, in a few years they will be able to please the public with news of the completion of development, the launch of a series and the introduction of a new rocket into service. And such a "surprise" will justify all the costs of secrecy and a long wait.
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  1. -4
    23 August 2021 02: 34
    A petrel that has circled around the North Pole for a week will sober up the supporter ...
    1. +3
      23 August 2021 04: 40
      This is, yes, but I'm afraid the adversary is not drunk and not stoned, he just quietly went crazy, and sobering will not come. The main thing is not to fall into a riot. There will be ... wassat
    2. +3
      23 August 2021 06: 28
      Are you hinting that there is not a CD at all, but something similar to a UAV with prohibitive autonomy?
      1. +4
        23 August 2021 11: 41
        And what is their fundamental difference?
        1. +2
          23 August 2021 12: 38
          Possibility of return and reusability))) About the fundamental difference, apparently so.
          1. +2
            23 August 2021 16: 18
            Kamikaze drones disagree with you
            1. +1
              24 August 2021 06: 06
              Okay, let's call it MBAPL (reusable unmanned aerial platform).
            2. +3
              25 August 2021 13: 28
              In general, how diverse the market for abbreviations of the names of flying death has become ...
              1. 0
                25 August 2021 13: 29
                Agree! Sometimes my head is spinning
      2. 0
        25 August 2021 10: 21
        KR is also a UAV, just for some reason the names are different.
        1. 0
          31 August 2021 08: 44
          The Americans sort of distinguish - UAVs - that which takes off from the airfield. KR - that which takes off from TPK.
    3. +11
      23 August 2021 08: 41
      but after he has been "circling for a week," where is this "Petrel" to do with its nuclear reactor on board without biosecurity equipment?
      1. 0
        23 August 2021 09: 16
        Quote: Cympak
        but after he has been "circling for a week," where is this "Petrel" to do with its nuclear reactor on board without biosecurity equipment?

        They will drown in the ocean. It is not the first time to heat radioactive waste in it. And in the 60s there were many tests. One small reactor will not play a big role.
        1. +2
          23 August 2021 22: 55
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          They will drown in the ocean. It is not the first time to heat radioactive waste in it. And in the 60s there were many tests. One small reactor will not play a big role.

          Especially against the background of quite a dozen years of Fukushima glowing ..
      2. +2
        23 August 2021 10: 38
        Landing on a chassis, wrinkled skis or on water is quite possible. If this is really a UAV, not a CD. Takeoff weight is relatively small, and a parachute with brake turbojet engines is also possible.
    4. -4
      25 August 2021 10: 04
      A petrel that has circled around the North Pole for a week will sober up the supporter ...

      ... and all polar bears will die without waiting for the foe. But we are not interested in this. As well as how many people will suffer during the trials.
  2. -10
    23 August 2021 04: 38
    Quote: arhitroll
    A petrel that has circled around the North Pole for a week will sober up the supporter ...

    Nea ... No. Better to let it circle through North America and Europe, then it’s as if the adversaries can sober up their heads and keep themselves in fear. wassat
    1. +6
      23 August 2021 06: 31
      Only the proud Petrel
      soars boldly and freely
      over the gray-haired sea of ​​foam!
      1. +6
        23 August 2021 07: 29
        Quote from Uncle Lee
        Only the proud Petrel
        soars boldly and freely
        over the gray-haired sea of ​​foam!

        The force of anger, the flame of passion and confidence in victory are heard by the clouds in this cry. hi
        1. +2
          23 August 2021 10: 06
          Quote: 30 vis
          and confidence in victory

          Didn't like it ... lol
          1. +10
            23 August 2021 15: 00
            Quote: Uncle Lee
            Quote: 30 vis
            and confidence in victory

            Didn't like it ... lol

            And hmm ... figs with them! Svidoukry, Israelites, Akhedzhakovs and Makarevichs .... tobacco. let them sing to the moon!
            1. +3
              23 August 2021 15: 26
              Quote: 30 vis
              tobaccos

              Rains and Voices of Matzo ... lol
    2. -2
      23 August 2021 20: 47
      Quote: Joker62
      Quote: arhitroll
      A petrel that has circled around the North Pole for a week will sober up the supporter ...

      Nea ... No. Better to let it circle through North America and Europe, then it’s as if the adversaries can sober up their heads and keep themselves in fear. wassat

      And then their nuclear missile goes round
      Near our territorial waters. A week.
      What will you do?
      Shouting: "What about us?"
    3. -1
      31 August 2021 08: 50
      Better to let it circle through North America and Europe, then it’s as if the adversaries can sober up their heads and keep themselves in fear.

      Why the hell do they keep themselves at bay? Judging by the photo - the usual subsonic CD. Easy target for AA defenses. For the twentieth century, this would be normal. For the XXI century - a waste of money. Make the "Caliber" twice as large - get a CD with an intercontinental range without the hassle of creating an atomic CD that costs half a nuclear submarine. We do not have enough funds for defense (and not only for defense) so that we can spend them on obscure projects.
  3. +5
    23 August 2021 04: 43
    Some guesses.
    The accident occurred on an experimental liquid propulsion system with a radioisotope power source. The connection of this product with the Burevestnik was not reported. Moreover, these projects are unlikely to be related to each other: as far as we know, the rocket is equipped with an air-jet engine.

    There are suggestions that a radioactive source of electricity is used, which powers the electric motor, which in turn drives something like a second circuit, which is used in the turbojet engine.
    1. -1
      23 August 2021 11: 18
      There are suggestions that a radioactive source of electricity is used, which powers the electric motor, which in turn drives something like a second circuit in rotation.


      You would at least estimate the power / mass of this "vegetable garden". Such a "design" is not like flying - you can't put on every "steamer".
      And the idea comes from young Chinese toy specialists. Their electric motors are everything. laughing
      1. 0
        23 August 2021 18: 47
        Recently, the Europeans launched some kind of light launch vehicle. And in order not to bother with the TNA, we put an electric drive powered by batteries on the fuel pump. So not all electric motors are toys.
        But, of course, it is too early to put a turboelectric propulsion unit on the CD.
    2. +2
      23 August 2021 13: 49
      Quote: riwas
      There are suggestions that a radioactive source of electricity is used, which powers the electric motor, which in turn drives something like a second circuit, which is used in the turbojet engine.

      The radioisotope source is useless for anything in the rocket. Its power is not regulated, it cannot be turned off. And the rocket lies in the warehouse for years (and the generated power must be somehow dissipated), after which it fulfills its task in a short time - in this case, the chemical sources are ideal. Radioisotope sources are suitable for constantly operating systems such as lighthouses and interplanetary stations.
  4. -2
    23 August 2021 04: 49
    It is clear, what is there with the cities in Siberia that Shoigu promises to build, I wonder who will build and who will live there?
    1. -4
      23 August 2021 05: 43
      So we will send you to the construction site. laughing laughing laughing
    2. +1
      23 August 2021 08: 17
      Don't juggle. He did not promise, not once, but offered. And those who decide to leave their mother with a folder in their 20-30-40 years can live there. Such people raised virgin soil, such people built BAM and such people live among us.
      1. -2
        23 August 2021 20: 49
        Quote: Troll
        Don't juggle. He did not promise, not once, but offered. And those who decide to leave their mother with a folder in their 20-30-40 years can live there. Such people raised virgin soil, such people built BAM and such people live among us.

        When did virgin lands rise there?

        When did the wind blow away the entire fertile layer there?

        What is there now with that raised virgin soil?

        Enough with agitation to live.
        Study anything you write about ...
  5. +4
    23 August 2021 05: 42
    Only Western intelligence services should not forget about measures to misinform the enemy. And therefore, what is true and what is being snatched under her guise is a big question. wassat
  6. +20
    23 August 2021 05: 50
    The article mentions an accident at the test site, which killed testers from my city. I think this is a completely legitimate reason for this comment. and this information will reach people. Those who were with us in our grief! I saw the resting place of the testers. VERY worthy! a separate pantheon of gray stone. And a monument with the Order of Courage. Thank you for attention.
  7. -14
    23 August 2021 07: 24
    If the Voivode or Sarmat with the Vanguards strikes. Let's add Yarsami. Then what will the Petrel do there then? Or in the beginning the Petrel?
    1. +5
      23 August 2021 08: 01
      You are probably going to heaven Why, 10 thousand will give and go ahead, with a song
      1. -9
        23 August 2021 08: 26
        The question of what kind of fuel is used in the power plant is much more interesting, if it is plutonium 238, then it is not enough for space, NASA reserves are calculated in tens of kilograms, by the way, as they write, 450 grams of this substance can cause cancer in all mankind, and then tests are underway and rockets fall, which means they are used some other fuel.
        1. +12
          23 August 2021 09: 04
          Strange examples you have about 450 grams) So we can say that even one nail is able to cause bleeding in all mankind. You just have to poke often)) You gave some strange example.
          And who can tell you what kind of fuel is there? And what does it matter if we are talking about strategic forces and the forces of the dead hand, when we are already talking about survival.
        2. 0
          23 August 2021 10: 24
          I don’t understand ... Plutonium 238 is used in RTGs because it is practically a pure alpha source. Ritegs capable of feeding a superconducting electric motor are unknown to me, and neither the propeller nor the electric motor in the gondola can be seen in the photo of the "Petrel".
          Sincerely
  8. 0
    23 August 2021 08: 33
    Whoever can explain to me, in general, the meaning of such a product as "tempest". Well, 10 or 100 of them will be launched. on duty, well, there, conditionally for 6 months, for example. Well, the Americans will take them for escort, right away, and who would doubt it, it seems to me there, only the isotope trace will be such that ..... Roughly speaking, they will assign to such a product, their own regular drone or radar that will accompany it, well, and. ...? What's next? Meaning? The flight area is quite clear, the Arctic, tk. which state will allow the reactor to fly over the head of its inhabitants, respectively, around the country "nato" and the tracking station. It turns out when they want to and then shoot, so what? I'm not saying anything, it's just the same question. What is the meaning of this product?
    1. +3
      23 August 2021 08: 52
      The meaning is obvious: the creation of a wunderwaffe (by the way, Nazi Germany at the end of the war also placed very high stakes on the miracle weapon). There is little sense, but for propaganda within the country, aimed at "people with a humanitarian mindset" it is suitable with a bang (for examples, see the comments at the beginning). From the messages about the "Petrel" people looking at the zombie boxes should be crushed with pride in the "power" of the country. Here are just the real power of the country - in the economy, but the economy somehow does not work out very well ...
      1. -1
        23 August 2021 09: 17
        Among such developments were missiles and nuclear weapons in the future, but of course this is just garbage for the pride of ordinary people. Give Hitler another 5-10 years and we were just talking in German about the new wunderwaffe, or if we just weren't there.
        1. 0
          31 August 2021 08: 54
          Aloizych put a lot of dough and resources into his wunderwales. More than once or twice I read that if he hadn't been fooling around and investing these funds in conventional weapons, the war would not have ended so quickly.
          1. 0
            31 August 2021 16: 20
            Perhaps, but if he had time to endure nonsense with nuclear weapons, the world would not write like that. I understand that history does not like "if only, if only," but it is difficult to deny the possibility. He could, he could ...
      2. +2
        24 August 2021 17: 42
        Ie, in your opinion, the production (development) of these wunderwaffe is not an economy? And what? Or is the economy a brothel for dogs?
    2. +12
      23 August 2021 09: 00
      The point is not on duty, but in the fact that the CD can go along any route, and those only along the shortest one. Plus launch without entering the zone of detection and destruction of delivery vehicles.
      Those. By conventionally launching the CD from Vladivostok, you can make a strike from the Atlantic Ocean (for example, along the Mexico-Cuba-Washington route).

      In practice, this means that if earlier the United States had to control intensively only the Pacific coast and the North, then in the new situation it needs to defend other areas as well. And this money is not small yet.

      PS And fix the standard drone until it works, tk. there are no drones that fly at the same speed and for the same length of time.
      1. 0
        23 August 2021 09: 11
        There was a good series of articles about the US air defense system. America is closed from any direction. And the USAF has plenty of AWACS, fighters and airfields, unlike the Russian Aerospace Forces.
        https://topwar.ru/105793-sistema-pvo-severnoy-ameriki-chast-4.html
        The question is in the economy: how much does the nuclear "Petrel" cost. how many of them are needed to break through an air defense system based on an air component (AWACS + interceptors). Moreover, a nuclear RR is also visible on the AWACS radar, no worse than a conventional RR + powerful IR radiation from the heat of an operating nuclear reactor
        1. +7
          23 August 2021 09: 55
          Nevertheless, there are problems (which the Americans themselves admit). This is especially true of the southern (border with Mexico) and Eastern (Atlantic coast) borders.
          And in this whole system there is a big Achilles' heel - the absence of ground-based air defense systems and the implementation of patrols only by aircraft. As a result, this leads to a slowdown in the reaction time, which was clearly demonstrated on September 11.09.2001, XNUMX. And although some changes have taken place, they are not conceptual.

          Therefore, to fend off the threat of the Petrel, money is needed to create and / or modernize an air defense system.

          And here it doesn't even matter whether the Petrel is or not. It is important that the US spend money and resources.
          1. -1
            29 August 2021 12: 23
            There is experience in responding to SDI (Star Wars), the costs of countering this empty shell ruined the Union. It's time to respond, the boomerang is back.
            1. 0
              31 August 2021 09: 04
              It's time to answer

              Russia would rather go broke on the Burevestnik. Something is not visible that the Yankees are panicking and urgently strengthen their air defense.
          2. -1
            31 August 2021 09: 00
            Therefore, to fend off the threat of the Petrel, money is needed to create and / or modernize an air defense system.

            To begin with, they need to fend off the threat from the Topols, Yars, Liners and Bulavs. And the stupid Yankees don't itch. Those. they tried, but quickly realized that even their economy could not withstand such protection. We guaranteed we destroy the USA with our ICBMs, SLBMs and CD with nuclear submarines. But this is not enough for us, and we spend money and resources on a CD with a nuclear reactor, knowing that this will not give anything to our defense and that nuclear reactors are an incredibly expensive thing. What for?
            1. 0
              31 August 2021 09: 30
              ICBM defense is an understandable evil. Various ways are sought to bypass it. CD disarming strike concept from this opera.
              In addition, we are constantly pressed on by various threats from all sides.

              Petrel and Poseidon are a response to these threats - more precisely, an attempt to squeeze the United States and Europe in a similar way. Those. our asymmetric answer. By this we say that it can inflict significant losses even without ICBMs and nuclear submarines.

              With regard to give or not.
              The creation of a small-sized nuclear reactor with more or less acceptable protection alone is already worth it. Because in the future, with some modifications, it will be possible to put it into the national economy (well, or at least develop it for military needs. Suffice it to recall the task of independent power supply of electronic warfare and air defense systems - radars devour a lot of bastards).
              And expensive now does not mean that it will not be available after a while. Nobody canceled the law of serial production.
              1. -1
                31 August 2021 09: 56
                CD disarming strike concept from this opera.
                What is the concept? American "Axes" are not suitable for such a concept - their range is small to disarm Russia. Our "Calibers" are not suitable - there are too few of them and their carriers. "Petrel" does not fit - by definition, you can't build much. What remains - nothing remains.
                In addition, we are constantly pressed on by various threats from all sides.

                Which ones exactly? Are America and Europe ready to fight? It's funny ... Well, yes, we don't have strategic nuclear forces and a strong army, m. we would love to be bombed like some Mumbo-Yumbia. But we have strategic nuclear forces and a strong army. Therefore, they threaten with sanctions. And to respond to economic and political sanctions with "Petrel" and "Poseidon" is something from the field of insanity. And it's even clear where it comes from - Obama somehow loudly announced the creation of a continental missile defense system. I said and forgot. It is too expensive. And we are all looking for an antidote to a non-existent system. A typical American bluff, like SDI. She ruined the USSR, now, it seems, overseas hopes that "Petrel" and "Poseidon" will ruin Russia.
                Only one creation of a small-sized nuclear reactor with more or less acceptable protection is already worth it.
                - one has nothing to do with the other. It is quite possible to make a small-sized YAR without strange projections pulled from the archives of the 50s.
                And expensive now does not mean that it will not be available after a while.

                Unfortunately, this does not work well with nuclear reactors. YR is by definition very expensive.
        2. +1
          23 August 2021 19: 17
          Drug dealers have flown in the Cessna as well as fly across the border. There is nothing special about their air defense system. And it's easier to break through it than ours.
        3. 0
          13 November 2021 21: 17
          How is it closed if hypersounds and heads with 20 sounds they do not even have time to detect?
      2. +1
        23 August 2021 21: 04
        Quote: alstr
        The point is not on duty, but in the fact that the CD can go along any route, and those only along the shortest one. Plus launch without entering the zone of detection and destruction of delivery vehicles.
        Those. By conventionally launching the CD from Vladivostok, you can make a strike from the Atlantic Ocean (for example, along the Mexico-Cuba-Washington route).

        In practice, this means that if earlier the United States had to control intensively only the Pacific coast and the North, then in the new situation it needs to defend other areas as well.


        Just turn on your mind!
        They will destroy us ICBMs with a flight time of 25-30 minutes.
        SLBMs flying on a flat trajectory with a flight time of 5 minutes ...
        And in response, we will send cruise missiles from Vladivostok, around South America, so that they would then enter the United States from the Mexican side ...
        Do you understand that the rocket will fly for 25 hours?
        When it is no longer important in principle!
        And how many of these missiles will there be?
        20-30?
        These are just 20-30 targets, for which 5 heavy ICBMs are guaranteed and sufficient ...

        The decision to launch a nuclear missile strike will be sudden.
        For all.
        Even for those who have been preparing for this all their lives.
        And here the principle of the American duel on rings in holsters works.
        Whoever is the first has a chance to win, or at least die second.

        And with a weapon like the Petrel, you will always die.
        There is no chance of winning.
        These are not weapons.
        This is pure sawing and profanation.

        The military are obliged to abandon it as an absolutely useless item.
        Better more submarines with Maces.
        1. Kuz
          +19
          23 August 2021 21: 38
          Quote: SovAr238A
          Better submarines with Maces

          hi Then it's better to have more multipurpose submarines. They are not only suitable for nuclear war.
        2. 0
          23 August 2021 22: 30
          Quote: SovAr238A
          And with a weapon like the Petrel, you will always die.
          There is no chance of winning.
          These are not weapons.
          This is pure sawing and profanation.
          The military are obliged to abandon it as an absolutely useless item.
          Better more submarines with Maces.

          What kind of screaming nonsense?
          Where is at least one source written that the military are going to give up some kind of weapons systems in favor of the Petrel?
          The Petrel is created as an additional element with its SPECIFIC goals and objectives.
          1. -2
            24 August 2021 07: 11
            Quote: Ramzaj99
            Quote: SovAr238A
            And with a weapon like the Petrel, you will always die.
            There is no chance of winning.
            These are not weapons.
            This is pure sawing and profanation.
            The military are obliged to abandon it as an absolutely useless item.
            Better more submarines with Maces.

            What kind of screaming nonsense?
            .....
            The Petrel is created as an additional element with its SPECIFIC goals and objectives.


            Think back to the Middle Ages.
            First they hanged it, then the corpse was quartered, then the head of the corpse was chopped off, then the intestines were released from the corpse, then the eyes were gouged out of the corpse and filled with lead.
            Attention question.
            What difference does a corpse make to all these subsequent procedures as "additional elements with their own specific goals and objectives"?
            He is already a corpse.
            Is the analogy clear?
            1. +2
              24 August 2021 17: 20
              Quote: SovAr238A

              First they hanged it, then the corpse was quartered, then the head of the corpse was chopped off, then the intestines were released from the corpse, then the eyes were gouged out of the corpse and filled with lead.
              Is the analogy clear?

              No.
              Apparently I don't have such drugs .........
            2. 0
              13 November 2021 21: 20
              executions were often made indicative of intimidation. Quartered not for the pleasure of the executioner, but for the perpetrator to suffer. The limbs were not chopped off yet.
          2. -1
            31 August 2021 09: 08
            Where is at least one source written that the military are going to give up some kind of weapons systems in favor of the Petrel?

            The military budget is not a rubber thing. There is a certain limit, after which the degradation of the country begins. An example is the USSR. And a nuclear reactor is by definition an expensive thing. If you want "Petrel" - you have to save on something else.
        3. +2
          24 August 2021 08: 32
          Right. Turn on your mind.
          The task of this type of weapons is not so much and not so much damage (although this moment is not in the last role), but to force the United States and NATO to spend additional funds and resources on what they have abandoned (i.e., ground-based air defense systems).
          Roughly speaking, spending $ 1 billion on the development of Petrel. we are forcing America to spend orders of magnitude more to fend off a threat.

          As for the military component, even in 25 hours a nuclear strike on "decision-making centers" will be relevant even if our leadership is destroyed (because there will be no complete destruction, but there will be severe destruction of the basic infrastructure).
          1. +2
            24 August 2021 22: 37
            Quote: alstr
            Right. Turn on your mind.
            The task of this type of weapons is not so much and not so much damage (although this moment is not in the last role), but to force the United States and NATO to spend additional funds and resources on what they have abandoned (i.e., ground-based air defense systems).
            Roughly speaking, spending $ 1 billion on the development of Petrel. we are forcing America to spend orders of magnitude more to fend off a threat.

            As for the military component, even in 25 hours a nuclear strike on "decision-making centers" will be relevant even if our leadership is destroyed (because there will be no complete destruction, but there will be severe destruction of the basic infrastructure).


            Why waste resources on something that won't destroy you?
            Or do you think that there are no Patriots in Florida, Texas?
            That the coast is not controlled by air defense systems?
            That Petrel is some kind of wunderwaffe?
            Will it fly for years after a nuclear war, so as not to enter the air defense zone?

            And what are these important objects that are not protected by air defense facilities?
            And if we could not carry out a retaliatory strike and the entire structure of the enemy's air defense was preserved, then how can subsonic cruise missiles break through it?
            Moreover, knowing that the Petrel will be single, flights to targets will be single, and in principle they will not be able to overload the enemy air defense ...
            Important objects can be destroyed either with the help of ballistic missiles, or with the help of a large number of RCs.

            Petrel cannot provide conditions for hitting targets.

            Include logic and knowledge.
            1. +1
              25 August 2021 11: 33
              I will reveal a big secret. Patriots are not on combat duty in the United States.
              And all air defense systems are concentrated around several military bases.
              The rest of the air defense is carried out by aircraft. And in combat readiness for the entire territory of the United States and Canada there are about two dozen (now, before 11.09.01/4/15 there were only XNUMX) aircraft. Readily XNUMX minutes. And if you consider that you also have to fly to the target, then you get one big hole.

              How many we can launch these Petrels the USA does not know exactly (at best they will know the order). If there are even a hundred of them, then resources are needed to detect and destroy them. And this is money and resources. Moreover, since the strike can come from any direction, and not, as before, only from the north and the Pacific Ocean (a launch from the Atlantic from a submarine is unlikely due to the fact that it is difficult to reach the Atlantic).
              And if we take into account that the Petrel's flight mode will be only at low altitudes throughout the flight, then the task of detection and interception becomes much more complicated.
              This means that you need a lot of resources.

              Those. The US gets the same situation as ours - where a blow can come from any direction.
              And this is a completely new situation for them.
              1. +1
                25 August 2021 15: 24
                Quote: alstr
                I will reveal a big secret. Patriots are not on combat duty in the United States.
                And all air defense systems are concentrated around several military bases.
                The rest of the air defense is carried out by aircraft. And in combat readiness for the entire territory of the United States and Canada there are about two dozen (now, before 11.09.01/4/15 there were only XNUMX) aircraft. Readily XNUMX minutes. And if you consider that you also have to fly to the target, then you get one big hole.

                How many we can launch these Petrels the USA does not know exactly (at best they will know the order). If there are even a hundred of them, then resources are needed to detect and destroy them. And this is money and resources. Moreover, since the strike can come from any direction, and not, as before, only from the north and the Pacific Ocean (a launch from the Atlantic from a submarine is unlikely due to the fact that it is difficult to reach the Atlantic).
                And if we take into account that the Petrel's flight mode will be only at low altitudes throughout the flight, then the task of detection and interception becomes much more complicated.
                This means that you need a lot of resources.

                Those. The US gets the same situation as ours - where a blow can come from any direction.
                And this is a completely new situation for them.



                I don’t understand in any way who and why imposes the myth that there is no air defense in America.
                So you repeat the same thing.

                There is a figure of 20 planes in your head.
                And for some reason, knowing the composition of only the US Air Force, I am talking about 400 fighters such as F-15 and F-16 - which guard their country around the clock.
                Maybe those who fan the myths are deliberately silent about the composition of the US National Guard?

                Canadians with their F-18s - also in your head on the basis of the myths you have accepted - are excluded from the defense of their Canadian land ... But this is not at all the case.

                The Canadians and American Alaska have 50 radar posts in the North Warning System alone at the borders.
                This is not counting the radar for space purposes.
                This is without the continental US.
                What holes in the Arctic or Canada can we talk about?
                Knowing this - about any.
                Now, in connection with the threats of hypersonic weapons, melting ice - they will completely re-equip their 50 radars with more modern ones.
                it's just north.
                And there is a radar station on all coasts.

                In the United States itself, about 30 Sentry AWACS aircraft are based.
                And they fly all the time.

                Regarding missile units and air defense systems.
                And where please tell me, disappeared from the American continent?
                32nd Army Air And Missile Defense Command (32nd AAMDC)
                as part of
                11th Air Defense Artillery Brigade (11th ADAB)
                31st Air Defense Artillery Brigade (31st ADAB)
                69th Air Defense Artillery Brigade (69th ADAB)
                108th Air Defense Artillery Brigade (108th ADAB)
                Here is a video from the United States from Texas, by the way - two months ago.
                Do we see patriots or not?
                [media=blob:https://www.dvidshub.net/d44791fd-892a-4989-84a1-38694361dd98]

                and also - where did the 263rd Army Air and Missile Defense Command (263rd AAMDC) disappear with its 678th Air Defense Artillery Brigade (678th ADAB) ...
                1. +1
                  25 August 2021 17: 21
                  Specially wrote - Patriots are not used on the COMBAT Duty.
                  Can you catch the difference between combat duty and deployment?

                  And so yes. There are patriots in the United States. They can even be deployed in positions ... around their headquarters (read military bases), but they are not on duty. Only control over the border from these bases is somehow badly implemented.

                  Hence, a couple of dozen aircraft on duty throughout the United States. Those. there are 400 aircraft, but at this particular moment only a couple of dozen of them can respond to the threat.
                  And so it will always be, because it is impossible to keep all 400 aircraft in constant combat readiness. At best, a third. And that's not a fact.

                  Now about the holes in the radar.
                  I wrote several times that the North and the Pacific Ocean is well covered by the United States, but the Atlantic and the border with Mexico are not. there the threat was incomparable less.

                  And here, because of the Petrel, it will be necessary to additionally invest in the creation of the same system as in the North. And this is money and resources.
          2. 0
            31 August 2021 09: 15
            but to force the United States and NATO to spend additional funds and resources on what they have abandoned (i.e., ground-based air defense systems).

            Will you force them? Why did the appearance of the CD on our nuclear submarines and bombers not force them to do this? And "Petrel" (the same CD) will suddenly make you? The answer seems to be on the surface - CD, incl. and nuclear - are not the main carriers of strategic nuclear weapons. And neither the Yankees nor we have any protection from the main carriers. A couple of dozen nuclear explosions from "Petrel" against the background of several thousand (with full deployment of warheads on missiles) nuclear explosions from ICBMs and SLBMs - this is such a trifle to which there is simply no point in reacting.
            1. 0
              31 August 2021 09: 35
              Because the nuclear submarine needs to reach the launch line.
              And let's be realistic - it will be difficult for us to enter the Atlantic during wartime.
              Plus, it is unlikely to come within the strike distance of something in the center of the United States.
              And so you can launch the CD in any direction and it will fly to the target. In this case, not by the shortest route, but from the most inconvenient direction.
              1. 0
                31 August 2021 09: 41
                Come on. No matter how good the American PLO is, there is a 100% chance that they will destroy all our nuclear submarines, even she does not give. And a salvo of just one of our nuclear submarines with the CD will make a nuclear war meaningless. In addition, we can launch ICBMs and SLBMs and they guaranteed will fly to the target. But the guaranteed flight to the target of the "Petrel" is somehow doubtful. Subsonic CR is just a subsonic CR. An extremely vulnerable thing.
                1. 0
                  31 August 2021 10: 37
                  The question is that it is easier and cheaper to build the same number of Petrels as on a nuclear submarine than to build a nuclear submarine as well.
                  At the same time, the number of nuclear submarines with cruise missiles is rather limited with all the ensuing consequences.
                  And to fly to America, in principle, with an unlimited resource, it is quite easy (for a long time - yes). It should be noted that the launch can be carried out beyond the reach of ANY means of destruction, but the bases of the nuclear submarine are available for strike.
                2. 0
                  13 November 2021 21: 24
                  it seems to me that all this will fade in comparison with what can be deployed in space. there will be a struggle in this age. on earth no one has a guarantee of victory or life in case of victory.
        4. -2
          24 August 2021 10: 04
          Quote: SovAr238A
          Quote: alstr
          The point is not on duty, but in the fact that the CD can go along any route, and those only along the shortest one. Plus launch without entering the zone of detection and destruction of delivery vehicles.
          Those. By conventionally launching the CD from Vladivostok, you can make a strike from the Atlantic Ocean (for example, along the Mexico-Cuba-Washington route).

          In practice, this means that if earlier the United States had to control intensively only the Pacific coast and the North, then in the new situation it needs to defend other areas as well.


          Just turn on your mind!
          They will destroy us ICBMs with a flight time of 25-30 minutes.
          SLBMs flying on a flat trajectory with a flight time of 5 minutes ...
          And in response, we will send cruise missiles from Vladivostok, around South America, so that they would then enter the United States from the Mexican side ...
          Do you understand that the rocket will fly for 25 hours?
          When it is no longer important in principle!
          And how many of these missiles will there be?
          20-30?
          These are just 20-30 targets, for which 5 heavy ICBMs are guaranteed and sufficient ...

          The decision to launch a nuclear missile strike will be sudden.
          For all.
          Even for those who have been preparing for this all their lives.
          And here the principle of the American duel on rings in holsters works.
          Whoever is the first has a chance to win, or at least die second.

          And with a weapon like the Petrel, you will always die.
          There is no chance of winning.
          These are not weapons.
          This is pure sawing and profanation.

          The military are obliged to abandon it as an absolutely useless item.
          Better more submarines with Maces.

          That is, you do not understand the concept of "unacceptable damage"?
          1. +1
            24 August 2021 11: 49
            Quote: Vol4ara

            That is, you do not understand the concept of "unacceptable damage"?


            It seems to me that you do not understand this.

            After the exchange of strikes by ICBMs and SLBMs, the concept of "unacceptable damage" will be completely irrelevant.
    3. +6
      23 August 2021 09: 14
      In order to immediately keep it on the crosshair, you need at least to know where it will be launched from. This is problem number times.
      To guide him later on the entire planet, you need full space coverage by satellites, and constantly, because the Petrel can change course and look for it later.
      To be ready for his arrival, you need to have strength at the expected point to shoot down. And he, I repeat, is constantly changing course. And if for a conventional rocket it is still possible to expect the final flight length and thereby build the estimated radius, then this will not work for the Petrel.
      To assign a drone to him, he needs to be able to fly so long and fast, but there are none. We need airfields from which the drones will take off and intercept, and nothing prevents the rocket from flying over the waters.

      Flight area Arctic? Why such a conclusion, for a rocket unlimited flight radius?

      Again, in a war, or in a nuclear war that has begun, do not forget that all funds will need to be focused on the enemy and not on one missile (10-100 pieces in fact). And now the task of intercepting something non-ballistic, unobtrusive, and with an unknown trajectory and time of impact, becomes far from trivial.
      1. -1
        23 August 2021 09: 23
        "Petrel", like "Poseidon" - is a weapon for finishing off (you can destroy the United States again). Those. if the enemy's infrastructure is not destroyed by nuclear strikes, then the enemy will be able to effectively intercept these weapons on the way to their territory. The question is in the economy: isn't it cheaper to invest in ballistic missiles with multiple warheads?
        1. +1
          23 August 2021 10: 23
          My opinion is that the development of the Petrel is very useful. This is the development of science and technology, the emergence of a new type of missile, of this class. Creation of an unconventional threat to the enemy, which in turn will make him pretty confused to cover such threats. The enemy will likely spend much more resources than our development, not counting the beneficial effect of technology.
          1. 0
            13 November 2021 21: 26
            imagine a petrel in space. perhaps it is being brought to the ground, and the main application will be in space.
      2. +1
        24 August 2021 11: 54
        And why did you decide that our "neighbors" will allow our missiles to fly / patrol in their economic zone, the whole world is divided, only the Arctic remains neutral, well, our own territories.
        1. 0
          24 August 2021 22: 16
          Aren't you confusing territorial waters and the exclusive economic zone? They have different status.
        2. 0
          24 August 2021 22: 20
          Most of the world's oceans do not belong either to the 12-mile zone of territorial waters, or to the 200-mile economic zones of states.
    4. -2
      23 August 2021 14: 42
      The point is in duplication - if tomorrow in the United States there are systems capable of destroying the airfields of our bombers - then these transonic cruise missiles with a nuclear ramjet engine will replace them in a retaliatory strike.
    5. +1
      23 August 2021 20: 40
      And can you find out where to find such a drone? And in general it is easy to find it so you think? The petrel is the first step. The main thing here is the development of the program of nuclear engines. You also need to understand what kind of nuclear engine there is. nuclear reactions of decay or fusion are not all accompanied by the release of radioactive elements.
  9. -1
    23 August 2021 09: 35
    Quote: vargo
    In order to immediately keep it on the crosshair, you need at least to know where it will be launched from. This is problem number times.
    To guide him later on the entire planet, you need full space coverage by satellites, and constantly, because the Petrel can change course and look for it later.
    To be ready for his arrival, you need to have strength at the expected point to shoot down. And he, I repeat, is constantly changing course. And if for a conventional rocket it is still possible to expect the final flight length and thereby build the estimated radius, then this will not work for the Petrel.

    The CD does not need to be constantly monitored and try to calculate its trajectory, it is not a ballistic target.
    The United States has a sufficient number of AWACS aircraft, tankers and fighters to organize long-term combat duty in the air and intercept most of the CD when they approach the coast. The only thing that can stop them is the destruction of their base infrastructure.
    1. +1
      23 August 2021 10: 33
      I do not presume that this is a realistic tactic, but as an option, undermining several Petrels at the stage of entering the zone of control. That is, a nuclear penetration of the air defense zone, when one bomb after another is successively detonated, probably even 2x can be enough to significantly destroy the control zone, into which the next Petrels can penetrate.
      Maybe fiction, but for me the thought has the right to life.
    2. 0
      23 August 2021 19: 19
      In a nuclear war, AWACS aircraft and satellites will live for 20 minutes.
    3. 0
      27 August 2021 22: 00
      What nonsense. Read more, including their sources. To cover strategic supply and logistics routes, the Americans lack 11 AUG, there is no talk about supply routes and covering foreign bases at all, there are already enough holes for our long-range aviation and submarines to operate. About "omnipotent" aircraft AWACS just made fun of them, how many of them are you going to keep in the air with their radius of 200-300 km to cover tens of thousands of kilometers? You can not answer, I’m not writing to you at all, I’m not so naive to reeducate a dumbass, and the second is a notable thrower on the fan, but even though the equipment and the team are decent, it is very similar to the former orakl from aftershock.
  10. -2
    23 August 2021 09: 47
    Quote: vargo
    Again, in the context of a war, or in a nuclear war that has begun,

    The entire strategic meaning of the Petrel is to lift these missiles into the air during a threatened period (so that the enemy cannot destroy them on the ground with a preemptive strike, like mine ICBMs). "Unlimited flight duration" is needed so that they patrol in the air over their territory in anticipation of a possible war, and not in flights around the earth.
    1. -1
      23 August 2021 10: 27
      Quote: Cympak
      Unlimited flight duration "is needed so that they patrol in the air over their territory in anticipation of a possible war, and not in flights around the earth.

      While they will fly over our territory, they will poison this very territory so that the war will not be needed for hell.
      1. -5
        23 August 2021 11: 28
        .
        Quote: Stroporez
        While they will fly over our territory, they will poison this very territory so that the war will not be needed for hell.

        And when did our rulers feel sorry for their people? Usually, those in power have the idea in their heads that they should beat their own people so that others would be afraid .... and besides, ".. we are in paradise ..."
      2. 0
        23 August 2021 19: 21
        Cars are much more harmful. And nothing, most are alive. Well, you can also fly along the Northern Sea Route.
  11. -7
    23 August 2021 09: 54
    The very platform of the missile with electronic warfare installations can "iron" all points of the US air defense, turning them into recyclable materials, "flavoring" them with its exhaust.
    1. -2
      23 August 2021 09: 59
      It is better for witnesses of the "no analogues" of domestic electronic warfare to send their notes to the Main Temple of the Armed Forces.
      Neutron nuclear warhead is better than any electronic warfare onboard installation "ironing" radio electronics and biomass
  12. +2
    23 August 2021 10: 17
    I don't understand two things:
    1 diagram of this propeller (in a reasonable weight)
    2 meanings of this rocket


    Its only meaning is to exchange it for some sort of START3. If it happens. And so, there is more hemorrhoids from it (KR) than it is useful to make a weapon in the 21st century that is not conventionally applicable - it is strange and distracts money from the necessary topics (there are a lot of them in the Russian Federation)
    1. +5
      23 August 2021 10: 54
      Quote: Zaurbek
      I don't understand two things:
      1 diagram of this propeller (in a reasonable weight)

      The scheme, which seems to be the only one rooted in the Soviet past, is a gas-cooled fast neutron reactor, double-circuit, a turbine on the second circuit driven by a coaxial screw. It turns out within, IMHO 8 tons takeoff weight. If we take nuclear fuel at a minimum, for a week, then there will be no large contamination in an accident. And if this is the nuclear fuel that was originally announced for the peaceful space tug TEM, then there may be no contamination at all.
      Aerodynamic form - Predator.
      But this is not a CD, but a UAV.
      Quote: Zaurbek
      2 meanings of this rocket

      There is no military sense, except to intimidate the NATO public with their infernal madness. Which is also not bad in itself in the light of the prospects in Ukraine ...
  13. +3
    23 August 2021 11: 05
    It is unclear where this rhinoceros stubbornness comes from in relation to the implementation of this project. A nuclear ramjet is, of course, a very interesting thing, in some way it intersects with other projects of nuclear rocket installations (materials and a number of solutions for a reactor, assemblies, solutions for heat removal, etc.) - but such a design has a number of limitations, in particular, it is the most "dirty" solution for a rocket engine, completely unsuitable for peaceful or dual-use purposes. As an engine for a UAV or strategist, this device is not suitable because it gives off radioactive exhaust and a pronounced heat trail - which will make it extremely difficult to use such devices in peacetime and wartime. As a prospect for this development for missile defense - there are also none (excluding materials) because the launch of such a rocket would be "dirty" throughout the entire launch site - which would kill its competitive advantages and completely across the trend of recent decades (take the same rejection "Protons" for environmental reasons).
    All this I mean is that this device, "Burevestnik" is a solution for single-use devices and nothing more. There are doubts about the advantages of such devices. A relatively low speed in combination with a significant heat footprint creates conditions for the detection of such missiles - by the same thermal reconnaissance satellites or promising satellites of a potential enemy early warning system. I am not saying that these decisions now exist in their entirety - but given the general concern of the United States about its missile defense against the background of the expansion of the nuclear missile club, this will be part of the actual modernization. Taking into account the expansion of satellite Internet and communications - the timely detection of such a device in a mode close to "online" - it is quite likely, especially since a potential adversary will have the opportunity to observe some part of the tests and draw counter-conclusions from this. Considering the speed of the "Petrel" and its unmasking factors, in case of detection, its interception will not be a special problem (unlike the same "Poseidon", probably).

    I will end my thought by saying that, like any relatively small-scale and high-tech product (especially with a double nuclear filling), the Petrel will be only expensive, so the question of combining the above qualities in hand with the price factor causes me great skepticism about the real potential of these developments and the sense in spending money on them.
    1. +1
      23 August 2021 11: 20
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      The nuclear ramjet is, of course, a very interesting thing.

      And where did you get the information about the nuclear straight-through? Has anyone mentioned this?
      If we assume that we have a fairly compact and lightweight nuclear reactor with liquid cooling, for example, sodium, then in any case we need a fairly compact and lightweight liquid-gas heat exchanger, where the coolant temperature is about 1500 C.
      There is no such thing and there is no where to get it, and about this, mountains of articles have been written about this bully
      We have no material for the heat exchanger.
      1. -2
        23 August 2021 11: 40
        The nuclear ramjet is in doubt, because its exhaust during testing cannot be hidden from the Scandinavians. A double-loop reactor, too heavy for the RR, the heat exchanger of the secondary loop is too temperature-loaded (guaranteed low resource + possible failures) + problems with its disposal after testing. A nuclear miracle battery with an "electric motor" is the most suitable option for ecology, but only on condition that they miraculously learned how to make nuclear batteries that allow them to take more power from them. But there was no information in the media about such a world-class technical breakthrough from domestic nuclear scientists.
        1. +3
          23 August 2021 13: 15
          Exhaust in the west and burned judging by the publications that were, even taking into account the distances and the wind rose. Power generation from a reactor in such dimensions is questionable - and what's the point? With this design, the screws on electric motors will drag it for oooooo very long - during this time, there is a high risk of failure of something, or detection. RTG-like structures cost crazy money, putting this on a rocket is doubtful, super expensive, again the question arises - what to do with EE, even if?
          As far as I understand, at the moment, the product can work as an air launch vehicle (or launched from the ground + some kind of accelerators) - at a high altitude and speed (provided by the carrier or accelerators), the reactor is activated and, in combination with the ramjet engine, provides long planning to the target - when approaching at relatively low altitudes. In this design, the reactor replaces the fuel reserves, the outside air is the working fluid. If I am right, then this is a rather crude and non-ecological design, in fact, the heir to the Soviet "Buri", with all the disadvantages inherent in such solutions - dimensions, relatively low speed, low efficiency in relation to ballistic missiles. I hope I'm wrong in general))
      2. +2
        23 August 2021 11: 51
        According to the dimensions of the hull, experts have long ago cut off everything that the Petrel "cannot be" potentially. If we are talking about a product capable of being in the air for many hours as a cruise missile to strike from different directions and overcome at least 10 km, then the reactor in such conditions needs to be cooled for a long time - there is nothing to do with air in such a compact design. The Burevestnik hull, given that most of its volume will be occupied by nuclear warheads and YSU (as I suppose, a direct-flow engine) - leaves negligible for the fuel volume required for a long-term flight - which is again in the "+" assumption about a direct-flow engine.
        Other options insanely increase the cost of an already non-budgetary design (despite the fact that they generally make it questionable to stay in flight for many hours), make it potentially larger and slower - because the mass and aerodynamic resistance also increase. In other versions (not in a straight-through), higher reactor temperatures are required in order to give this design acceptable speeds - and even if this problem were solved, the issue of flight longitude would be killed by these solutions.
        1. +2
          23 August 2021 12: 11
          If the apparatus is subsonic, then it can even be propeller, I read somewhere that once in the USSR they developed a cruise missile with a turboprop engine and two coaxial pushing screws, like a torpedo with wings, so if the Petrel has a propeller, then it does not need large powers and the power plant may be small. and relatively safe
      3. +2
        23 August 2021 15: 09
        Judging by the design of the rocket and the sweep of the wings, it is precisely the transonic design of the engine, which is a ramjet engine with an open core in a body made of a material with a high melting point and high heat transfer, the assembly itself is in a muffled state with the help of a system of cadmium regulator rods - in the TPK through a quick-detachable rocket connected to the liquid cooling system, which is part of the launcher - the rocket is launched using a turbojet engine before that, the quick-detachable connections of the TPK cooling system from the rocket from the nuclear assembly are disconnected during the acceleration process cadmium rods come out regulators the reactor assembly goes into a near-critical state the system is supplied with fuel in the mixture with air, it passes through the assembly, cooling it away, removing heat and expanding creating thrust - an unlimited range for this, for a loud word, a rocket can fly to any point on the globe.
        1. 0
          23 August 2021 18: 18
          Quote: Vadim237
          the system is supplied with fuel mixed with air passes through the assembly

          Not sure what kind of fuel do you mean and what role does it play?
    2. +1
      23 August 2021 13: 17
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      it is the dirtiest rocket engine solution, completely unsuitable for civilian or dual-use purposes. This device is not suitable as an engine for an unmanned aerial vehicle or a strategist, because it gives off radioactive exhaust and a pronounced thermal footprint.

      Look, I didn't even understand right off the bat that you mean the version of the most ancient, IMHO, version of the PTYARD, where air passes through a developed lattice of fuel rods. This option was abandoned a long time ago, in the 60s. And we and the main adversary. Of course, this option will not work. And precisely for the reasons that you indicated.
      I can add that there is no material for pre-fuel rods that could withstand the aerodynamic load from the incoming air flow at such an operating temperature. And there is a very tangible physical barrier - oxygen embrittlement, which is inevitable at such temperatures.
      We need a new material, as strong as steel, heat-conducting like copper and chemically indifferent to oxygen at a temperature of about 1500 C. This is not, as it is believed.
      But it will not be possible to get rid of radioactive contamination.
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      the launch of such a rocket would be "dirty" throughout the entire launch site - which would kill its competitive advantages

      I just mean that for the PTYRD you can use (try) to heat up the air a heat exchanger, where the working fluid is liquid metal from the nuclear reactor or the second circuit. And this is the only way to use the PNRP scheme. No contamination of land and water.
      But since no one has ever heard of such a miracle, and all our developments are descended from the USSR in the late 80s, then it's not worth talking about the PTYARD.
      Therefore - Nuclear turbojet engine (YATRD) is the only possible option.
      1. +1
        23 August 2021 13: 20
        Ie you mean heating up the fuel by the reactor? Roughly speaking.
        1. +1
          23 August 2021 14: 00
          Quote: Knell Wardenheart
          fuel heating by the reactor

          I do not know what it is.
          What option are you talking about?
      2. -1
        23 August 2021 15: 13
        "I can add that there is no fuel rod material that can withstand the aerodynamic load from the incoming air stream at this operating temperature." And this is unknown, most likely military materials scientists, together with Rosatom, created such a metamaterial.
        1. +2
          23 August 2021 18: 32
          Quote: Vadim237
          military materials scientists together with Rosatom have created such a metamaterial.

          There are no "military materials scientists" in the world. Or maybe it's women who touch the officer's uniform and feel the quality of the fabric? Anything can happen ...
          That is, we have "magic technology No. 1" - a new unknown metamaterial (what is it?) with unique characteristics?
          From the impossibility of creating a nuclear rocket engine, this is from the same opera as the PTNRD, Glushko went crazy at the time. He threatened to figure it out with Energy-Buran to the end and sit down at YZHRD and surprise the world ... but he died.
          And here we cleverly say - we have a new "metamaterial" - and that's it. request
  14. KCA
    +3
    23 August 2021 12: 35
    I don’t know who, I don’t know what, but I’ll write an article, stupid, but I would have known what, who, and how, would have written myself an article for 15 years
    1. 0
      23 August 2021 17: 18
      quote = Mityai65] We need a new material, strong as steel, heat-conducting like copper and chemically indifferent to oxygen at a temperature of about 1500 C [/ quote]
      Even if aliens give us such material, it will not change anything, since the self-phrase "ramjet nuclear engine" gives rise to a number of unsolvable questions
      The thrust of both turbojet and ramjet engines is formed due to the difference in the volume of air entering the engine and the volume of air leaving the engine, the difference in volumes occurs due to its heating in the combustion chamber
      but this is a saying, a fairy tale will be in front
      1 at high speeds, the residence time of the air in the combustion chamber of the direct-flow engine is very short, ordinary fuel does not have time to completely burn out before leaving the nozzle
      2 when burning conventional fuel, heat is transferred from a "hot molecule" to a "cold" one in the most efficient way, but even here it takes time and space for the reaction, and due to the high flow rate and the limited size of the combustion chamber, they may not be enough,
      3 in a nuclear co-current, the air will be heated in a convective and radiant manner, while clean air has a highly limited frequency absorption spectrum,
      4, it should be borne in mind that the rate of heat transfer depends on the temperature difference between the bodies, and if very hot air enters the reactor from the air intake, then what temperature should the reactor have in order to additionally heat it and thereby increase its volume.
      From all that has been said, it follows that the total rate of heat transfer from the hot walls of the reactor to the air (convective heat transfer) plus radiant heat transfer will always be less than the rate of heat transfer in a conventional chemical combustion reaction.
      1. 0
        23 August 2021 18: 57
        Quote: agond
        Even if aliens give us such material, it will not change anything, since the self-phrase "ramjet nuclear engine" gives rise to a number of unsolvable questions

        Personally, I don’t believe in the existence of a PTYARD, I’m just trying to understand what people mean. What are their schemes and ideas? This, however, does not mean anything: 5 years ago, no one believed in a gas-cooled fast reactor. Lightweight and powerful - like a gift from the gods good
        And now it is being molded with might and main for "Zeus". Maybe they blind something ...
        I wrote above that the nuclear turbojet engine is much more real. These are also quite old ideas, but they have a groundwork and a real basis.
      2. KCA
        0
        24 August 2021 09: 38
        The concept of a nuclear ramjet engine began to be developed 70 years ago, apparently, the developers were stupider than you, if such problems were not taken into account, tell me, did your engine fly? High? Far?
  15. +3
    23 August 2021 18: 46
    And, apparently, there is a massive campaign of misinformation on the Opponent.

    There is a petrel, it was declared, then no. Tested successfully / failed launches.
    Interview with officials / designers at Zvezda that there is no power plant / that it has been developed and tested.
    The arrest of a couple of retirees who allegedly leaked information about unsuccessful tests.

    All this is not so important, remember SU 57, 75, Mig 41, armata and terminators.

    most importantly, who is the OPPONENT? NATO, where we pump gas, or "conditional Voronezh"
    1. +1
      23 August 2021 21: 15
      A good bait for identifying spies / traitors in research institutes dealing with this topic. The results have already been.
  16. 0
    23 August 2021 21: 13
    Quote: SovAr238A
    Quote: Joker62
    Quote: arhitroll
    A petrel that has circled around the North Pole for a week will sober up the supporter ...

    Nea ... No. Better to let it circle through North America and Europe, then it’s as if the adversaries can sober up their heads and keep themselves in fear. wassat

    And then their nuclear missile goes round
    Near our territorial waters. A week.
    What will you do?
    Shouting: "What about us?"

    Let them do it first, and then something happens to their wunderwolf.
    1. -2
      23 August 2021 22: 19
      These are all cheers-talks of the level of preparation for the "last war"
      But in reality - Yus already has drones in the air and in the water that have made a circumnavigation.

      If you want to circle around the borders with a nuclear loaf for a week - load and circle. It's just that no one really needs it.
      It is necessary to scare the population and knock out money for the military-industrial complex, and not risk the seat ourselves

      And then everything is in the subject.
      The GDP did not grow, China was catching up, and YSA asked: a colleague, we ate hamburgers, the Zaporozhets showed them, took the Crimea, and now, shuffle something so that money in the military-industrial complex would flow like a river.

      And a colleague issued: Su 57, 75, Mig 41, Terminator, Armata, Peresvet, Poseidon, Nuklon, Petrel, S500 and 600, others, others, others.
      You don't even need to draw good cartoons, the old ones have cost too much.
      A, and the 1st space (7,91 km / s) was at the same time renamed into hypersound (27 M)

      That's it, the State Department rubs its paws, Agent Trump calls the GDP a good brow and friend, money flowed like a river, the economy also flooded .... they have. And if not for the Crown, everything would be covered in chocolate ...
      1. 0
        28 August 2021 07: 23
        Dear! Well, why did you reveal all your cards at once? The intrigue must be maintained.
  17. +1
    24 August 2021 16: 18
    However, test launches were delayed greatly. Three years have passed, and things are still there ...
  18. +1
    25 August 2021 00: 42
    Quote: military_cat
    for constantly operating systems such as lighthouses and interplanetary stations.

    Not only.
    There are quite compact devices such as fire detectors.
    In the early 90s, at one facility, our employee with idiotic enthusiasm gutted such a detector because of some radio component.
    To the words that the badge with three petals is on the body of the product for a reason, he replied that he had disassembled not such gizmos and that he was still alive.
  19. +1
    25 August 2021 06: 16
    In general, as it should be in such cases, except for the developers, no one knows anything for sure. And those for another 30 years will be silent in a rag.
  20. +1
    25 August 2021 07: 26
    Did the author urgently need to write something? The whole point of the article is "one woman said at the bazaar."
  21. -1
    25 August 2021 09: 54
    Chavoy that I see neither the victorious reports of the RF Ministry of Defense nor the Pentagon's concerns. This means that all launches from 17 to 20.08 were unsuccessful and Petrel could not overcome his record of 32 km in 4 minutes.
  22. 0
    25 August 2021 10: 24
    [quote = Uncle Lee] Only proud Petrel
    soars boldly and freely
    over the Pindo camp, gray with fear.
  23. AML
    0
    29 August 2021 09: 21
    Quote: VasYok

    ... and all polar bears will die

    According to Darwin, some evolve into the lightest bears.
  24. 0
    31 August 2021 13: 48
    Quote: Sergey Sfyedu
    Easy target for AA defenses

    It will be used when there is no more air defense, this is a weapon of retaliation
  25. 0
    22 September 2021 18: 55
    And I am proud of my colleagues (after all, I served there for 18 years). After the moratorium on testing, we were mainly engaged in self-service, survival and cleaning up the northern territories. This is, of course, necessary, but rather shallow for the Central Test Site of Russia. And now, real combat work. Good luck, friends !!!
    1. 0
      13 November 2021 21: 33
      hello zem! I worked there for 7 years in Belushka. 80-83 and 86-90. \
      the wind in the mug, I figure!
      1. 0
        22 November 2021 19: 37
        And hello to you. And I was 1988-2000 in Rogachevo, then in Belushka until November 2006. You should have seen how everything changed there. In 2002, Ivanov knocked out 1.4 yards from the GDP for social programs. Everything is now civilized, clean, Internet, communication without problems (remember those 2 channels that were in your time?). True, the voentorgskaya Stesha pushed prices higher than the roof, but given the salaries, you can live. Yes, now the civil power rules there. Maybe he knew Musin Zhegansha (Zhenya), was a commander in a helicopter squadron (he served with him first on Kach, then on the archipelago)? He finished deputy. early training ground for aviation. He is now in his twenties, as the head of the administration. Well done, does a lot for people.
  26. kig
    0
    5 October 2021 03: 41
    I read the article and especially the comments ... Nobody knows ANYTHING about the Petrel. Except for the name. There is not even 100% certainty that it exists. What if this is a grandiose about .... that is, disinformation? In which about the same amount of money and effort is crammed as on a real apparatus? But the copies are broken! I propose a simple way out: wait for the message about acceptance into operation and putting on alert.
    1. 0
      13 November 2021 21: 35
      well, hello, paint the doors ... cartoons, holograms ... yeah. and then the diapers are languidly wet
  27. 0
    17 November 2021 17: 15
    If we compare the American Boeing X37, constantly flying over Russia, what is the difference?