An aristocrat from Pasadena. Variations on Auto Mag

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Auto Mag first editions manufactured at the Pasadena plant. The so-called Original Pasadena. Characteristic differences: the grip cheeks are completely corrugated, on the front sight from the side of the sight there is a cutout for a colored insert
(photo by veryimportantlot.com)

What's in your variety ... or Auto Mag options


The first two Auto Mag prototypes were manufactured in 1970. At the same time, Harry Sanford founded Auto Mag Corporation and opened a plant in Pasadena, California. The first serial pistol was sold on August 8, 1971. Powerful cartridge and formidable appearance weapons immediately made him popular in films and novels.

But the corporation worked for only about two years. And on May 3, 1972, with fewer than 3 units built, Auto Mag Corporation filed for bankruptcy.



This was not due to a problem with the weapon. The company simply couldn't produce it at an affordable cost. In 1971, the pistols were actually selling at a dumping price of $ 247,5 ($ 1 in today's prices), which was well below its cost. The company lost almost a thousand dollars from each unit sold, which soon led to bankruptcy.

In addition, component suppliers chronically disrupted delivery times, and AMC simply physically did not have time to deliver already paid pistols to its customers on time. That also affected the company's reputation not in the best way.

Soon the patent and all the equipment were bought by the Thomas Oil Company.

For the production of the pistol, "TDI Corporation" was specially created and a small factory was opened, the chief engineer of which was Harry Sanford, one of the founders of Auto Mag.

After the resumption of production, two modifications of this pistol appeared: the "Model 180" in .44 AMP and the "Model 160" in .357 AMP. Later, the High Standard Company joined the project, which took over the marketing issues.

Lee Jurras made a great contribution to the promotion of the new pistol, developing a hunting cartridge and various tuning options for it. Potential buyers were offered barrels with a wide variety of calibers, as well as removable stocks, exotic grips, stocks and sets of interchangeable barrels. This had slightly more success, especially when selling tuned pistols to firearms collectors. Although the price of such copies reached $ 3250.

In addition, Lee Jurras even founded an international club of fans of Auto Mag ("Club de Auto Mag Internationale"), so that the owners of the most powerful pistol could gather for regular meetings with like-minded owners of "hand artillery". But this, alas, was not enough. In 1977, High Standard withdrew from its agreement with TDE, and pistol production stopped again. By this time, all rights to Auto Mag had returned to its progenitor, Harry Sanford.

In 1979, he announced the final release of a series of 500 Auto Mag Model B pistols with a heavy-duty bolt action. In fact, less than 100 units were assembled before weapons production stopped again in 1980. The price of $ 1000 apiece in 1979 was too high for the pistol to be in widespread demand, especially when you consider the cost of cartridges, or rather the lack of them in finished form.

In the early 1980s, AMT produced about a hundred Auto Mag Model C pistols. During this entire period, since 1972, about 6 pistols were produced and sold. Auto Mag production finally stopped in 000.

Later, attempts to resume the production of pistols using old drawings were made by individual companies, but, alas, without much success.

Harry Sanford sold spare parts for these pistols until his death in 1996. His son Walter Sanford continued to sell the remaining parts through automagparts.com until 2015, when he transferred all rights (including name, trademark and manufacturing rights) to Auto Mag Ltd Co.

There are quite a few variants of the Auto Mag pistol, differing in minor changes and markings in accordance with the manufacturer or the author's tuning. And it is very difficult to understand this issue.

But let's try to do it.

1. Auto Mag Pasadena


Initially, Auto Mag Corp produced only one .44 AMP pistol with a 6,5-inch barrel. A distinctive inscription was applied to the receiver on the left side:

Auto Mag .44 Amp Model 180 Pasadena California Pat Pending and AM in a circle.


Auto Mag Pasadena Marking
(photo www.gunauction.com)

This is the so-called early Auto Mag Pasadena or Original Pasadena. Barrel with ventilated rib.

Only these pistols were equipped with fully grooved cheeks, and on the front sight on the side of the sight they had a cutout with a colored insert (serial numbers in the range A0001 – A3300).

This model is considered the highest quality, since all parts are milled from Carpenter 455 stainless steel.

2. TDE North Hollywood


Then Trust Deed Estates (TDE) took over the production of Auto Mag.

TDE produced pistols in two calibers - .44 AMP with a 6,5-inch barrel with a vented bar and .357 AMP with 6,5 or 8,5-inch barrels without a vented bar.

Initially, TDE's manufacturing facility was located in North Hollywood. Actually, the pistols were collected by Bob Barbasievic in the garage in the backyard of his house (Bob Barbasievicz Hause, 9503 Guess Street, Rosemead). Robert Barbasevich at that time was the head of the production and technical departments of TDE. Prior to that, he was one of three employees Harry Sanford hired to work at Auto Mag Corp.'s Pasadena factory.

Part of the assembled and fully complete Pasadena pistols were later sold under the North Hollywood brand. Accordingly, the inscription on the left side of the receiver has also changed:

Auto Mag .44 Amp Model 180 North Hollywood Calif. Pat Pending and "TDE in a Circle"

и

.357 AMP Model 160 North Hollywood Calif. and "TDE in a circle".


Auto Mag TDE North Hollywood Model 180 Marking
(photo www.proxibid.com)


Auto Mag TDE North Hollywood Model 160 markings (photo www.gunbroker.com)

This is the so called model TDE North Hollywood... Serial numbers in the range A3400 – A05015.

Initially, .44 AMP pistols were assembled from previously made Pasadena parts, and the missing parts were manufactured on the side.

The quality of this model is reduced in later editions (some small parts were not made of stainless steel). Because of this, pistols with higher serial numbers in this model are less desirable for collectors. Black plastic cheeks with incomplete corrugation.


Auto Mag in .357 AMP Model 160 with 10,5 '' barrel manufactured by TDE North Hollywood
(photo www.gunbroker.com)

It was TDE who launched the Auto Mag in caliber .357 AMP.

Pistols of this model are distinguished by a shorter two-line lettering (in contrast to the four-line lettering on pistols in .4 AMP caliber). Most of them were assembled with replaceable barrels. All pistols of this model were sold through B&B Sale in North Hollywood.


B&B Sale Auto Mag dealer price list (amtguns.info)

3. TDE El Monte


Over time, the stock of barrels, parts and parts of Auto Mag Pasadena left after the bankruptcy of Auto Mag Corporation ran out, and the question arose about a full-scale resumption of the production of pistols.

Therefore, on August 2, 1972, Harry Sanford leases a factory in El Monte, California (11658 McBean Drive El Monte Calif.). Accordingly, the inscription on the left side of the receiver changed for the pistols produced at this factory:

Auto Mag. 44 Amp Model 180 El Monte Calif. Patented, with "TDE in a circle" logo

и

Auto Mag. 357 Amp Model 160 El Monte Calif. Patented, with the "TDE in a circle" logo.

An aristocrat from Pasadena. Variations on Auto Mag
Auto Mag marking in caliber .357 AMP Model 160 from Tde El Monte
(photo rockislandauction.com)

This is the so called model TDE El Monte.

The pistols were assembled entirely from new parts and assemblies manufactured by TDE. Serial numbers are in the range A05016 – A08300. The pistols were available in .44 AMP and .357 AMP calibers with 6,5 "vented barrels and 8,5" or 10,5 "tapered barrels without a vented bar.


Auto Mag in .357 AMP Model 160 from TDE El Monte, complete with exchangeable barrel in .44 AMP
(photo rockislandauction.com).

4.High standard


Don Mithell, President of High Standard, became interested in Auto Mag. He visited Harry Sanford at the TDE office and arranged to purchase pistols for High Standard that would bear his company name and logo.

In April 1974 they ordered 135 pistols. All 135s were to be produced with a 6,5-inch .44 AMP barrel and standard trim. According to Don Mitchell, he did not order any other calibers or barrel lengths.

In the end, 134 (according to other sources - 132) pistols were produced with the prefix "H" in the serial number. Of these, 108 units in .44 AMP caliber and 26 units in .357 AMP caliber. Accordingly, such models received the conditional name High Standard.

A distinctive inscription was applied to the receiver on the left side:

High Standard Auto Mag. 44 Amp Model 180 El Monte Calif. Pat Pending,
High Standard logo and on the right side of the receiver "TDE in a circle" logo


or

High Standard Auto Mag. 357 Amp Model 160 El Monte Calif. Pat Pending,
High Standard logo and “TDE in a circle” logo on the right side of the receiver.



Auto Mag High Standard Model 180 marking in .44 AMP
(author's photo collage)

Later, several hundred more pistols (according to some sources - just over 900) were produced with the High Standard marking on the receiver, but with the usual serial numbers for Auto Mag, starting with the prefix "A0".

And here a certain intrigue arises.

Need to say, these High Standard pistols were never officially ordered.

Prevailed story that there are many sets of barrels with High Standard receivers left in TDE warehouses. And they were used to assemble pistols on frames with serial numbers prefixed with "A0". Despite the fact that these are factory-made weapons and were indeed released at the TDE factory in El Monte, but by and large these pistols have a barrel mismatch with a frame.

James Spacek's book Hi-Standard Pistols & Revolvers 1951-1984, published in 1998, indicated that several thousand serial numbers with the prefix “A0” were reserved in the High Standard books for assigning serial numbers to Auto Mag pistols.

A close examination of these records shows that in 1974 High Standard sold exactly 134 Auto Mag with the "H" prefix. Records also show that another 911 Auto Mag pistols with serial numbers prefixed with “A0” went through the High Standard books in 1974 and 1975. Why this happened is anyone's guess.

I must say that the exclusive distributor of Auto Mag at that time (from 1974 to 1976) was LE Jurras & Assotiates. This may be why High Standard sold weapons unofficially, so to speak, from the back door, in order to bypass Lee Jurras' exclusive rights to sell Auto Mag.

Be that as it may, these pistols also belong to the model under the conditional name High standard.


Auto Mag High Standard in .44 AMP Model 180
(author's photo collage)

5.LE Jurras Standard Model


The standard Auto Mag by Lee Jurras. The weapon, manufactured by TDE in 1974-1976 and refined and tuned by Lee Jurras, the exclusive distributor of Auto Mag pistols, featured the lion's head logo.

The polishing of the frame and / or the barrel with the receiver was varied at the presentation level, the cheeks of the grips were made of exotic wood or bone. Caliber .357 AMP or .44 AMP. 6,5-inch barrel with vented rib; 8,5-inch or 10,5-inch - tapered, no vented bar. TDE brand and lion head logo. Made 1100-1200 pcs.

On the left side of the receiver there was an inscription:

Auto Mag. 44 Amp Model 180 El Monte, Calif. Patented, "TDE in a circle", "lion's head" in a circle.

Or

Auto Mag. 357 Amp Model 160 El Monte, Calif. Patented, "TDE in a circle", "lion's head" in a circle.


Marking of the standard Auto Mag from Lee Jurras MODEL 160 in caliber .357 AMP
(photo gunauction.com)


Standard Auto Mag from Lee Jurras in .44 AMP Model 180
(photo ar15.com)

In addition, Lee Jurras released a whole line of non-standard modifications of Auto Mag, specially "sharpened" for hunting a wide variety of game. Their variety, exclusivity and features are such that they deserve a separate discussion.

Some of these modifications are so rare that even their photographs are rare. There are such "pearls" in private collections, and it is almost impossible to see them "live".

6. Kent Lomont Custom Models


Kent Lomont has made an invaluable contribution to the development of the Auto Mag design. He was instrumental in providing development work for Harry Sanford, creator of the original Auto Mag pistol.

Kent worked alongside Lee Jurras, founder of Super Vel ammunition. These two were Auto Mag's most established experts. Kent fired thousands of Auto Mag rounds, made hundreds of measurements, and compiled dozens of tables for cartridges of various calibers and types of bullets.

He compiled a huge number of reports on ballistics and reliability, with recommendations for the operation, maintenance and repair of pistols, equipping cartridges with optimal parameters and the most effective shooting methods, the use of various accessories, pouches, holsters and weapon care products.


Auto Mag Lomont Custom in .357 AMP Model 160.
Only 4 of these pistols were fired by Ken Lomont.
(photo amtguns.net)

In addition, Kent Lomont has produced a series of barrels to order in a wide variety of exotic calibers. Developed several options for mounts for telescopic sights for installation on Auto Mag.

And this topic also deserves special attention.

7. Auto Mag TDE / OMC B-series (TDE / OMC B-series)


Model "B", released by Harry Sanford in 1979, differed from the pistol of the first releases with a reinforced monolithic bolt. 6,5-inch barrel with vented rib; 8,5- or 10,5-inch heavy target barrel without ventilated bar.

In addition, model B can have both High Standar and TDE hallmarks. This is explained by the fact that after the final closure of Auto Mag production in 1982, Harry Sanford collected part of the products from the stock of ready-made components and parts of the pistol. The model number has been changed from 180 to 280 and from 160 to 260. The serial number is in the range B00001 – B00370.

Accordingly, the inscription on the receiver has also changed:

Auto Mag. 44 Amp Model 280 El Monte, Calif. Patented, "TDE in a circle" and "OMC in a circle".

Or

Auto Mag. 357 Amp Model 260 El Monte, Calif. Patented, "TDE in a circle" and "OMC in a circle".


Marking of Auto Mag in caliber .44 AMP Model 280 manufactured by TDE EL / OMC "B" series.
(photo by Gunsinternational.com)


Auto Mag in .44 AMP Model 280 manufactured by TDE / OMC, B series. Non-standard handle cheeks, made of laminated wood
(photo rockislandauction.com)

8. Auto Mag AMT C-series (AMT C-series)


Model "C" (C) with 6,5 "barrel with vented bar or 10,5" barrel without vented bar. Model number changed from 180 to 280 and from 160 to 260. Serial number in the range C00001 – C00050.

The pistols were supplied in carrying cases (plastic attaché style) with accessories. Models produced by AMT have typical markings, but with the logo “AMT in a circle” and the Latin letter “C” in the prefix of the serial number:

Auto Mag. 44 Amp Model 280 El Monte, Calif. Patented, with the AMT in a circle logo.

Or

Auto Mag. 357 Amp Model 260 El Monte, Calif. Patented, with the AMT in a circle logo.


Auto Mag marking in .44 AMP Model 280 from AMT, Series C
(photo by i.pinimg.com)


Auto Mag in .44 AMP Model 280 from AMT, Series C
(photo by i.pinimg.com)

9. Auto Mag Bicentennial


Separately, it is worth mentioning the pistols of the Auto Mag Bicentennial anniversary series, dedicated to the bicentennial of the adoption of the United States Declaration of Independence (July 4, 1776).

In 1976, Harry Sanford was awarded a contract with B&B for the manufacture of a limited edition of 100 pistols, dedicated to the 8,5th anniversary of the United States' independence. For this, the factory produced one hundred 357-inch barrels with a ventilated bar in caliber .1776AMP. Larry Grossman then handcrafted four polished pistols at the factory to Harry Sanford's specifications. These were examples with serial numbers USA1777, USA1975, USA1976, and USAXNUMX.

Perhaps due to the fact that the production of the anniversary series pistols was very labor intensive, these were the only four pistols produced in 1976. In 1977, Harry Sanford had an outside contractor, Ed O'Neill, who produced six more commemorative pistols. They had serial numbers USA100 and up. Bruce Stark did not find a complete record of the serial numbers used. The pistols of the anniversary series were engraved with special symbols, including the so-called bell of freedom - this bell summoned the inhabitants of Philadelphia to announce the Declaration of Independence in 1776:

Auto Mag .357 Amp Model 160 Bicentennial, TDE in a circle logo and Liberty Bell.


Marking Auto Mag Bicentennial caliber .357 AMP Model 160, right - "Liberty Bell"
(photo amtguns.info)


Auto Mag Bicentennial Special Serial Number
(photo amtguns.info)

The rest of the custom barrels were TDE or TDE / OMC markings and were sold in normal condition. B&B Sales never received a single Bicentennial and threatened to sue the factory.


Luxurious Auto Mag Bicentennial. A real aristocrat among pistols!
(photo gunbroker.com)

Auto Mag models produced after 1982


By 1982, after the company changed logos and owners several times, the Auto Mag line was closed.

Since then, several more attempts have been made to resume the production of pistols using the original drawings and expired patents, as well as to sell them under different names.

10. AMC model


Model with 6,5 '' or 8,5 '' barrel with vented rib. Produced in calibers .44 AMP and .357 AMP. Model number changed from 180 to 280 and from 160 to 260. This is the so-called Auto Mag AMC model.

Custom versions could have a different caliber. In particular, the .45 Win Mag, which was reflected in the inscription on the left side of the receiver:

Auto Mag. 44 Amp Model 280 Covina Calif. Patented, AMC in a circle logo.

Or

Auto Mag. 45 Win Model 280 Covina Calif. Patented, AMC in a circle logo.


Auto Mag marking in caliber .357 AMP from AMC
(photo amtguns.info)


AMC Auto Mag with 10,5 '' tapered barrel
(photo rockislandauction.com)

One of the very interesting marketing moves that AMC made was the production of the Last sets.

These were "C" series pistols with a monolithic reinforced breech, produced under the special serial number Last, with a standard 8,5-inch tapered barrel without a vented bar chambered for 44 AMP.

Owners of this "latest" Auto Mag were offered a limited edition set of four additional 10,5-inch barrels in four different calibers: .357 AMP, .41 JMP, .44 AMP and .45 Win Mag. It was planned to make only 50 sets. But they did not sell well because of the cost, and as a result, fewer than 50 units were produced.

All barrels were standardly marked "AMC" and "Covina" with the appropriate caliber, for example:

Auto Mag. 41 Amp Model 280 Covina Calif. Patented, AMC in a circle logo.


Marking of the additional barrel in .41 JMP caliber from the Last set. Pay attention to the designation of the caliber - .41АМР
(photo amtguns.info)


Set of four interchangeable Last series barrels
(photo amtguns.info)

You can see that the .41 is marked as AMP instead of JMP. According to some reports, this was an elementary mistake made when marking. According to others, this was done on purpose, since by that time Lee Jurras was no longer an exclusive dealer of Auto Mag pistols.

At the bottom of the protrusions of the receiver boxes was put a serial number corresponding to the set to which they belonged.

11. Commemorative series Auto Mag, released in honor of Harry Sanford


After Harry Sanford's death, a commemorative .44 AMP Auto Mag pistol was produced in a limited edition, equipped with a 6,5-inch barrel with a vented bar. The so-called classic Pasadena model.

It was originally planned to release 1000 pistols. As reported by the flyer of AM, Irwindale, California (Irwindale, California). But according to Bruce Stark, "biographer" of Auto Mag, only 30 units were produced. The pistols featured a high quality finish and designer grip cheeks. Supplied in walnut presentation cases. A commemorative inscription was applied to the receiver on the left:

Auto Mag .44 Amp Model 180 Pasadena California Patented and AM in a circle.
Facsimile signature "Harry Sanford"
Harry W Sanford
Pioneer of Stainless Steel Firearms.


The series was specifically targeted at firearms collectors and was marketed as a special collectible version of the classic American weaponry.


Auto Mag marking commemorative series dedicated to Harry Sanford, the pioneer of stainless steel firearms.
(photo amtguns.info)


A handout for the Auto Mag commemorative series dedicated to Harry Sanford.
(photo amtguns.info)

Another memorable series of Auto Mag pistols can be found in the Blue Book of Gun Value for 2021. This is also a commemorative Auto Mag in .44 AMP with a 6,5-inch barrel with a vented bar. The receiver has the inscription Sturgis, SD. The facsimile signature of Harry Sanford is on the left rear of the receiver. Supplied in a presentation case.

It was planned to produce 1000 pistols, but Galena Industries actually made less than 1999 units in 2000-300. Bruce Stark gives even more modest numbers on this matter - only 36 pistols were produced with the Sturgis, SD marking. Of these, 30 Auto Mag were made in Hesperia, CA and the remaining 6 were made in Sturgis, SD (Sturgis, South Dakota).

All of these pistols belong to the Harry Sanford Memorial Series. The unofficial name of such Auto Mag among collectors and specialists is Signature Series Auto Mag, given the facsimile signature of Harry Sanford on the receiver on the left. Often to designate these pistols, connoisseurs and collectors of weapons use the abbreviation - HSSS Auto Mag (Harry Senford Signature Series).


A rare instance of Auto Mag HSSS in an exclusive design.
Photo courtesy of Brus Stark

The data published by Lee Jurras more or less accurately reflects the situation on the manufacturers, markings and models of Auto Mag for the period from 1971 to 1982. Because he was the exclusive distributor of Auto Mag from 1974 to 1976 and had very close contacts with the pistol manufacturers. Although his data sometimes differ from data from other sources.


It should be noted that similar in name pistols of the Automag line (from Automag II to Automag V), produced by AMT (Arcadia Machine & Tools), chambered for .22 WMR, 9 mm WinMag, .30 Carbine, .45 WinMag and .50 Action Express, are a completely different weapon, differing both externally and structurally.

I must say, the culprit in this confusion was the very progenitor of Auto Mag - Harry Sanford.

After the bankruptcy of Auto Mag Corp in 1972, Harry Sanford continued to develop new stainless steel semi-automatic pistols. For this weapon, he changed the name of Auto Mag to Automag. In addition to the above, Harry Sanford developed other pistols and rifles that did not have the names of Automag or Auto Mag in the name.


Advertising leaflet of the AMT company
(amtguns.info)


AMT flyer, April 1978
(amtguns.info)

After the 1983 film Surprise Impact, collectors wanted an 8,5-inch barrel with a vented .44 AMP bar, similar to the one equipped with Harry Callahan's Auto Mag.

But it was a custom-made blank barrel for filming. In addition, at that time, the production of Auto Mag was phased out. There was no tooling or any other production equipment to expand the production of such kits (barrel with receiver).

Brian Maynard, then AMT manager, developed Baby Auto Mag based on the AMT Lightning pistol. It was only a .22 LR. But outwardly, it almost completely corresponded to the cinematic weapon. As usual, Harry Sanford has reserved a hundred serial numbers for personal use. These pistols have special markings on the receiver. The pistol could be labeled "Make my day" or "Feel like a happy punk," etc.

The younger Auto Mag only outwardly looked like his older "brother". But the marketing ploy turned out to be quite successful. The pistol was in demand. The Israeli "IMI" did a similar way, releasing its Jeriho-941 under the name Baby Eagle. Although he had nothing to do with the older Desert Eagle.


"Little brother" of Auto Mag - АМТ Baby Auto Mag in caliber .22 lr
(live.amoskeagauction.com)

Manufacturers Auto Mag


Between 1971 and 2000, the Auto Mag was produced by eleven companies, as evidenced by the corresponding markings on the receiver on the left side.

1. AM (Auto Mag Corp.), Pasadena, California (manufactured in Pasadena, California).

2. TDE, North Hollywood, California (produced in Rosemid, California).

3. TDE, El Monte, California (manufactured in El Monte, California).

4. TDE, El Monte, California, High Standard (produced in El Monte, California).

5. TDE, El Monte, California, Lee Jurras (produced in El Monte, California, tuned by Lee Jurras).

6. TDE, El Monte, California, Kent Lomont (produced in El Monte, CA, tuned by Kent Lomont).

7. TDE / OMC, El Monte, California (manufactured in El Monte, California).

8. AMT, Covina, California (receiver was made in Covina, California, pistols were assembled in Irwindale, California).

9. AMC, Covina, California (receiver was made in Covina, California, pistols were assembled in Irwindale, California).

10. AM, Irwindale, California (produced in Irwindale, California).

11. AM, Sturgis, South Dakota (some were produced in Hesperia, California, and some were produced in Sturgis, South Dakota).

The first nine companies produced Auto Mag under the direction or permission of Harry Sanford himself. The pistols with the latter two names were produced under license from Harry's widow and son, Nadine and Walt Sanford.

It is difficult to say exactly how many models / variants of Auto Mag and in what quantity were produced by this or that manufacturer. Auto Mag's serial number ranges are not entirely reliable in determining whether the markings on the receiver match the frame number. Because these numbers were not always set by them sequentially. Large groups of numbers have been omitted to give the impression that production has progressed further than it actually was.

Personalized numbers could be purchased from the factory and could only contain the owner's initials. For example, the luxurious engraved Auto Mag, rightly called the most beautiful pistol, was numbered WGC-3. That does not fit into the framework of the standard sequential numbering in any way.

Typically, Pasadena pistol serial numbers go up to three thousand, North Hollywood pistol serial numbers go up to five thousand, and TDE El Monte pistol serial numbers go up to eight thousand. Distributors, dealers and collectors have changed barrels and frames for a variety of reasons. A five thousand-unit frame with a Pasadena barrel can be considered a non-matching barrel to the frame. This is especially true if the breech did not match the Pasadena breech, etc.

Therefore, various sources indicate the total number of issued pistols in different ways - from 9,5 to 10 thousand units.


"Most Beautiful Auto Mag", serial number WGC-3. Made in a single copy
(photo amtguns.info)

To be continued ...
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  1. +7
    19 August 2021 04: 38
    Handsome men pistols ... I would not refuse such to protect home ownership (power, size) ... oh, not for our brother all this.
    I thank the author for the article, I look forward to continuing.
    1. +8
      19 August 2021 06: 38
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      Handsome pistols ... I would not refuse this to protect home ownership (power, size) ...

      the weapon is really beautiful.
      but for practice, especially for the protection of home ownership is not suitable.

      like the Desert Eagle. nice but not useful.
      more done for collectors.
      1. +2
        19 August 2021 09: 04
        Every man to his own taste,
        I also like the size and weight, the cartridges ran out of blows like a piece of iron on the robber's coupol. hi
        1. +10
          19 August 2021 11: 11
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          I also like the size and weight

          laughing
        2. +8
          19 August 2021 12: 39
          By the way, a very comfortable grip.
          What a handle, what a barrel.
          Verified wink

          Best regards,
      2. +8
        19 August 2021 12: 38
        For home protection, I think any pistol is suitable.
        You don't need to carry it with you, just have time to take it from the safe.
        And from this, I suppose, it will be enough to shoot once.
        In a confined space, contusion is ensured. laughing
        And if at night - then blinding the enemy with a flash of a shot. fellow

        Best regards,

        1. +5
          19 August 2021 13: 27
          Quote: Gunfighter95
          In a confined space, contusion is ensured.
          And if at night - then blinding the enemy with a flash of a shot.

          in this case, both concussion and blinding are ensured and the arrow
          1. +7
            19 August 2021 13: 51
            Right.
            But the enemy will run away laughing
            Or it will be dumbfounded right away ...
            Or be afraid of one kind of pistol.

            Back in Soviet times, I read in the newspaper about a curious incident in Vladik.
            The apartment of one sailor was robbed three times while he was surfing the seas and oceans.
            Once again, leaving for the flight, he connected an electric locomotive siren to the doors.
            Came from swimming, and his in jail.
            The thief who got into the apartment almost died of fear when the siren sounded.
            Heart attack. They tried to sew on the sailor for exceeding the limits of self-defense,
            But everything ended well.

            Best regards,
            1. +4
              19 August 2021 16: 02
              it would be interesting to read your thoughts / article on the topic: shutter locking systems in pistols - advantages and disadvantages.
              if it doesn't bother you.

              so respectfully.
              1. +4
                19 August 2021 16: 11
                I understood you. The topic is serious. The material must be well prepared.
                Took note to myself.
                It is a pity that I had to part with some dedactic material.
                But the topic is really interesting.

                Best regards,
      3. +6
        19 August 2021 13: 48
        Quote: Maki Avellievich
        nice but not useful.

        For good and cheap Makarov is enough for the eyes, only after you feel such a product in your hands, then there is no desire to take Makarov. Here you can see a qualitatively different level of performance in everything.
        1. +2
          20 August 2021 13: 28
          One thing I can say is that the Auto Mag is much more comfortable in the hand of the PM.
          Beautiful weapon.

          Best regards,
          1. +1
            20 August 2021 23: 24
            Quote: Gunfighter95
            One thing I can say is that the Auto Mag is much more comfortable in the hand of the PM.
            Beautiful weapon.

            Best regards,

            The PM is good on duty, comfortable to carry in a holster, it is not difficult to learn to shoot from it, it is easy to disassemble and clean. I didn’t hold Auto Mag in my hands, but I had a chance to hold Colt Trooper MK III. After that, I realized what American barrels of the second half of the twentieth century are. Monumentality is simple in every facet.
            1. +1
              21 August 2021 13: 26
              Royal Blu finish (bluish-black bluing with polishing) - this is now practically not used, alas ...
              And if you still held the Colt PYTHON .357 Magnum in your hands ...
              The work of the UMS is just music! The last revolver, which used a V-shaped mainspring - no revolver had such a soft trigger when firing self-cocking.
              On the "Pekhotinets", released later, there was already a coil spring, which a priori could not provide the same soft descent when firing self-cocking.

              Best regards,
              1. 0
                21 August 2021 14: 02
                Quote: Gunfighter95
                Royal Blu finish (bluish-black bluing with polishing) - this is now practically not used, alas ...

                Yes, just such a beautiful polished blue. One of those details that shape the appearance of the weapon.
                Quote: Gunfighter95
                On the "Pekhotinets", released later, there was already a coil spring, which a priori could not provide the same soft descent when firing self-cocking.

                Not "Infantryman", but "Cavalier".
                Quote: Gunfighter95
                And if you still held the Colt PYTHON .357 Magnum in your hands ...

                In the Russian hinterland, alas, there is no choice.
    2. +7
      19 August 2021 12: 33
      Thanks for your kind words!
      The next part is about custom Auto Mag models from the moderator.

      Best regards,
  2. +4
    19 August 2021 05: 03
    The average weight of such a pistol is interesting, because with a monolithic barrel it will be quite heavy. For a long time you can't vilify such a thing, and the exclusivity "obliges" you to shoot from it less often, because the prices for spare parts, for the same barrel, will come out not for children.
    1. +3
      19 August 2021 05: 09
      As a psychological weapon will do
      you are not going to war.
    2. +8
      19 August 2021 12: 48
      Auto Mag cal. 44 AMP with 6,5-inch barrel
      Empty weight: 1,39 kg (49 oz)
      Overall length: 260 mm (10,25 inches)

      All performance characteristics are given in more detail in the second part.
      https://topwar.ru/185739-aristokrat-iz-pasadeny-pervyj-avtomaticheskij-magnum-44-chast-2.html

      Yes, dear ones.
      Fortunately, at least now they are manufactured by AUTO MAG LTD CO, which revived the production of Auto Mag.

      Best regards,
  3. +8
    19 August 2021 06: 26
    Pistols beautiful in their unusualness ... Thanks for the article
    1. +8
      19 August 2021 12: 53
      Thank you! For your kind words!
      The pistol is really beautiful.
      Designed back in the 1970s.
      Today, practicality has supplanted grace in weapons.
      The same Desrt Eagle next to him looks like a piece of metal made with an ax.
      And for the convenience of the grip, the Eagle is definitely not standing next to it ...

      Best regards,
  4. +8
    19 August 2021 06: 55
    Thank you! I read it! I saw it!
    1. +9
      19 August 2021 12: 54
      Glad you liked it.
      The moderator has the fourth part. There is something to see and read ... fellow

      Best regards,
  5. +2
    19 August 2021 08: 20
    Who makes the “Classic Edition” Model 180D?
    1. +9
      19 August 2021 13: 07
      AUTO MAG LTD CO
      In 2015, Harry Sanford's son Walter sold all rights and trademarks to that company.
      And from 2020, they began to produce the pistol.
      Initially, three models were produced:
      1. Founder's Edition .44 AMP Model 180-D with 8.5 "barrel (Limited Edition-discontinued) - $ 3995
      2. Auto Mag Classic Edition .44 AMP Model 180-D with 8.5 "barrel - $ 3795
      3. Auto Mag Classic Edition .44 AMP Model 180-D with 6.5 "barrel - 3495;

      They made the design of the pistol more technologically advanced.
      And, finally, we have agreed with the ammunition manufacturers on the release of .44 AMP and .357 AMR cartridges.
      This is a topic for future publications.
      I hope the VO editors find it possible to publish these articles.

      Best regards,
      1. +1
        20 August 2021 06: 30
        Thanks for the detailed answer.
  6. -3
    19 August 2021 08: 47
    TDE produced pistols in two calibers - .44 AMP with a 6,5-inch barrel with a vented bar and .357 AMP with 6,5 or 8,5-inch barrels without a vented bar.

    There are doubts about this statement.

    TDE Shooter's Guide. As you can see, there are three calibers.
    1. +12
      19 August 2021 10: 49
      Read carefully!
      In general, I suspected that not everyone would be able to figure it out right away.
      I myself did not do it the first time. Therefore, I systematized everything.
      But, as I understand it, additional clarifications are required.

      First of all, this part of the publication deals only with the standard Auto Mag models.
      All standard models were .44 AMP and .357 AMP (!!!).

      Non-standard Auto Mag models (including .41 JMP caliber - Jurras Magnum Pistol) will be discussed in Part 4, which I present to the moderator today.
      In 6-7 days, I hope it will be published.
      And then, I think, many questions will disappear from you.

      So:
      2. TDE North Hollywood
      The pistols were actually assembled from the remains of Pasadena in Bob Barbasevich's garage in two calibers - .44 AMP with a 6,5-inch barrel with a vented bar and .357 AMP with 6,5 or 8,5-inch barrels without a vented bar.

      3. TDE El Monte
      Full-scale production of Auto Mag is set up in a rented factory.
      It has been in El Monte since 1974, when Lee Jurras became the exclusive distributor of Auto Mag, that they began to produce pistols according to his specification. Including .41 JMP caliber

      5.LE Jurras Standard Model
      These models came in standard caliber .44 AMP and .357 AMP.
      But the LE Jurras Custom Models - non-standard Auto Mag models from Lee Jurras, were also in .41 JMP caliber.

      So your instruction applies to the Auto Mag TDE El Monte, released in 1974 and later. wink
      But to TDE North Hollywood, where you got the phrase from, it has nothing to do with it.
      The manual you provided is dated 1975.


      Best regards,
      1. 0
        19 August 2021 11: 13
        In general, I suspected that not everyone would be able to figure it out right away.

        I have it written: "Doubts arise."
        To paraphrase the famous fluff. “Not everyone can figure it out. Or rather, not only everyone can do it, few people can do it. "
        Lee Jurras became the exclusive distributor of Auto Mag in September 1974. The instruction was also prepared for publication in 1974 and is already in use in January 1975. Therefore, I had doubts, a new caliber appeared very quickly. Don’t you?
        1. +10
          19 August 2021 12: 29
          I will dispel your doubts. I "shoveled" a lot of material.
          No. This manual applies to TDE El Monte pistols.
          Pay attention to the markings given in the publication.




          TDE North Holywood produced pistols in only two calibers: .44 AMP and .357 AMP.





          There is no Auto Mag TDE North Holywood in .41JMP

          Best regards,
          1. +5
            19 August 2021 13: 15
            I "shoveled" a lot of material.

            There is no doubt about that.
            I will dispel your doubts.

            Dispelled.
            1. +7
              19 August 2021 13: 19
              Very glad!
              Some things that are obvious to the writer are not always obvious to the reader.
              Therefore, I will always be grateful for any questions on the topic.
              I could have missed something.

              Best regards,
              1. +6
                19 August 2021 13: 31
                It would be great if you continued your research, otherwise the site is completely dull with this.
                1. +8
                  19 August 2021 13: 41
                  Thank you!
                  I will try. There are thoughts in this direction.
                  This is my first experience.
                  Over time, not very much, but there is a desire to share interesting things from the field of small arms.

                  Best regards,
                  1. +6
                    19 August 2021 13: 43
                    Creative successes. !!!
                    1. +7
                      19 August 2021 14: 06
                      Thank you!

                      Best regards,
                  2. +9
                    19 August 2021 14: 38
                    Yuri, good afternoon and thank you! good

                    As Serge rightly noted here - I read it and looked at it, and I also licked my lips, because we can't even hold such machines in our hands. smile

                    In the course of the "play" I want to note that even from the last article, the silhouette of your "main character" reminded me of something, specifically the High Standard H-Ds pistol that belonged to the Lockheed U-2 pilot Captain Powets, shot down over the territory of the USSR on May 1, 1960 ...

                    Then in Moscow, in the Park of Culture. Gorky, a whole exhibition was organized with the wreckage of the downed plane and everything else, the queue was colossal, but we defended it and saw everything, live. smile
                    1. +7
                      19 August 2021 15: 12
                      Good afternoon!

                      That's right! Correctly noticed.
                      I once saw him in the display in the exhibition window at the Central Exhibition Center.
                      I don't know if he is there now.
                      Or, as in the St. Petersburg digital computer, especially valuable exhibits "scattered"?

                      And thanks for the kind words.
                      The next part will also have something else to see. laughing
                      Lies with the moderator.

                      Best regards,
  7. +4
    20 August 2021 00: 27
    I'm just in shock!
    My articles are posted on the Internet, without indicating either the author or the original source!
    The most impudent theft!
    Some people take the credit for themselves.
    And after that, how can you publish something now?

    It is worth scoring in the search engine "Aristocrat from Pasadena", and a bunch of "left" sites fall out ...
    And how to deal with these freaks?

    http://weaponscollection.com/1/15468-aristokrat-iz-pasadeny-pistolet-prednaznachennyy-dlya-garri-kallahana.html

    All photos are also tagged "weaponscollection.com"
    Unparalleled arrogance! They took my photos!

    http://weaponscollection.com/1/15466-aristokrat-iz-pasadeny-pervyy-elegantnyy-avtomaticheskiy-magnum-44.html

    And it is impossible to contact the site administration !!!

    There are many sites that have posted my articles, but they all correctly gave a link to the source, and also indicated the author.

    Yes, as Shapoklyak said, you cannot become famous for good deeds ...
    A spoon of tar...

    Best regards,
  8. 0
    21 August 2021 22: 56
    Vielen Dank. Als Ostdeutscher (DDR) Sportschütze lese ich mit Freude diese Artikel über Waffen.
    Ich selbst schieße viele amerikanische (.357, .44 Mag. 45 ACP, Maverick, .308) und russische (.223 Saiga, Mosin Sniper, 7,62 Nagant) Modelle. Auch lade ich meine Munition selbst und gieße Geschosse aus Blei dafür.
    Daher interessiere ich mich fur Alles über Waffen.
  9. 0
    26 October 2021 22: 43
    The barrel is so-so, for practical reasons. Shoulders will fall off, diarrhea day. For discreet wear, it sucks, especially under the belt of the pants.
    In terms of lethality, AK is much better, not to mention the rest. Barrel for cheap show-off.
    Such a thing for guys who are tough as eggs, such a sniper is first of all allowed to flow, especially if such a fool (including Stechkin) is on the hip.
    Purely Merikovskaya crap.
    The post was written purely for practical reasons. The PM on the shoulders fakes in a day, but in the summer the holster under the belt, under the T-shirt is not visible. The barrel is such a pure dust to start up, a useless thing, it is better in the hands of a machine gun than shit.
    1. +1
      30 November 2021 12: 49
      Initially, the pistol was positioned as a weapon for hunting.
      The typical American look - not with a gun or rifle, but with a pistol or revolver.
      It was never considered as a service or self-defense weapon.
      Moreover, for hidden wearing.
      Very narrow application niche.
      And this is really a purely American weapon, and it is for hunting.
      In this case, with AK and PM, they have different areas of application.
      You will not go hunting with "Makarov".
      Although, anything can happen in life ...
      In our regiment, a platoon commander from the 1st battery, being dressed as a commander, shot a pheasant from his service PM 25 meters in the head with a shot in the head.
      I must say that among the Germans they roamed the fields freely, they were not afraid of people (the regiment was stationed near the city of Weimar, Thuringia, East Germany).
      The starley came to check the post, and the fighter points to the pheasant to him.
      He, without hesitation, took out a pistol, took aim, and ... hit.
      I brought the trophy to DOS. Plucked, gutted, began to fry in a pan.
      I went into the next room - there people watched football on a miniature “Shilyalis”.
      I got carried away and forgot about the pheasant. We sit watching the match - ours played.
      Suddenly, we hear the smell of burning ... In general, the bird is fried to the point of charcoal.
      Only the gorgeous tail remained with the starley as a souvenir of the trophy - he attached it to the board and hung it on the wall.
      And then he took away this decoration of the interior from him - not according to the regulations, they say, in the officer's hostel.
      The incident with the shooting at the checkpoint was not fanned, but hushed up.
      The "hunter" departed for the belt for a month as a chief in a day wassat

      Best regards,


      About PM in a shoulder holster