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MAKS-2021 novelty through the eyes of potential opponents

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The news of the demonstration of a new Russian aircraft at MAKS, supported by photographs leaked to the Internet and a video from Rostec, stirred up aviation circles in the world. For a long time, you must admit, there were no new products, so the video "came in" and caused a very violent reaction.


MAKS-2021 novelty through the eyes of potential opponents

This is good, because you know that summer is a very dull time. And then there is such a reason, but not from someone there, but from the Sukhoi company, where they know how to make (combat) aircraft. So there was no way to pass by.

And since they did not pass by, it means that it is necessary to discuss. And, to my great pleasure, almost all overseas publications that can be respected have given the novelty a fraction of their attention. This is The Popular Mechanics, and The National Interest, and The Drive, and Naval Aviation News (well, God himself ordered that) - in general, everyone spoke out. We just have to make some compilation of what the potential gentlemen have expressed and try to assimilate this as information.

Of course, everyone went through the title of the video, where it was written that this is a fundamentally new plane. Some with humor, and some with poison, the Americans asked about the same question: what is the fundamental novelty of the aircraft based on? A new principle of flight? Antigravity, maybe?

But the video and the photos that appeared a little later were all studied very carefully. And this is what the American experts saw. It is worth recalling, however, that the United States does not consider the Su-57 to be the fourth generation aircraft (they have such an order, by one less) generation, and even more so, they do not consider it a competitor to the F-35. For many reasons, it makes no sense to list them now.

A preliminary analysis of American experts says that photographs of the product, code-named "Check and Checkmate", do not fully make it clear whether this is a mock-up or a real plane. Everyone is looking forward to the show in Zhukovsky at MAKS, because this is the only way to draw conclusions about what the car is (or its full-size model).


Most of the details are hidden by black panels, but the circular engine nozzle is visible in the rear view and on the roller. One thing. This in some way confirms the rumors that this aircraft will be light and single-engine.

In general, last year (May 26), TASS issued a report that the Sukhoi company was developing the first Russian lightweight single-engine tactical fighter with supersonic speed and low radar signature. According to the same article, the aircraft will have a take-off weight of up to 18 tons, fly at more than Mach 2 and have a thrust vectoring engine.

The mischievous guys from The Drive noticed, however, that they could not be sure that the plane seen in Zhukovsky was the same Sukhoi design, which was mentioned in the message. But in general, in fairness, the plane seems to match the description.

The Americans note that not a single new Russian single-engine fighter has been built since the Cold War, and since then the country has been cool about purchasing any new aircraft of this class.

Hence, our potential concludes that the new fighter is aimed directly at the export market, possibly as an unobtrusive high-tech successor to the MiG-35, the last member of the Cold War MiG-29 family.

That was the impression the Americans were impressed by the PR campaign, which included an English-language teaser on Twitter and a video featuring Air Force pilots from the United Arab Emirates, India, Vietnam and Argentina. The video clearly indicates that this is primarily an export proposal.

In reality, a number of countries may be serious about buying a single-engine combat aircraft than the Russian military, who prefer heavier but reliable twin-engine aircraft.

It is especially interesting for buyers if the offer is a stealth fighter, in the creation of which the same technologies were used as for the Su-57. But lighter in terms of weight, that in terms of price and cost of maintenance.


Indeed, to date, the Su-57 has not really interested any country, and attempts to sell it have not been crowned with success. Even India refused, which has always been more focused on the Russian arms market.

On the other hand, it is worth noting that the successful family of Su-30 multipurpose fighters received many orders and it turned out that the best is the enemy of the good. And this can explain the lack of interest in the newest Su-57 and the desire to acquire the Su-30 and its modifications.

Apart from the F-35, which was designed to meet the unique requirements of three applications, including the short takeoff and vertical landing (STOVL) version, all other so-called fifth generation fighters that have made any significant progress to date have adopted a twin-engined layout.

By choosing a single-engine layout, United Aircraft Corporation will hope to reduce overall cost and complexity and potentially challenge single-engine competitors in the export market, such as the Sino-Pakistani JF-17 Thunder.

For some reason, the Americans do not consider the new aircraft a competitor to their single-engine F-16 and the Swedish Gripen.

From this point of view, a single engine decision might make sense, but it is unclear which engine was chosen for the aircraft. The new-generation Izdeliye 30 engine would be an obvious solution, if we believe what the Russian media is reporting, the Izdeliye 30 has more power and increased reliability compared to the AL-41F1 turbofan engine currently used in the Su-57.

However, the "Product 30", which is expected to produce about 16-17 tons of thrust, is currently still in development. In the meantime, it is likely that the AL-41F1, which produces about 14,5 tons of thrust, will be used in the new fighter temporarily, as on the Su-57. Yes, the AL-41F1, like the "Product 30", has a controlled thrust vector, but with this engine both the Su-57 and the new aircraft lose almost half of their market appeal.

There has even been talk in the past in Russia of another potential new design for the STOVL (vertical take-off and landing) fighter, which would presumably include a single-engine lift-fan configuration like the F-35B.

However, domestic demand for vertical takeoff and landing fighters is currently severely limited, especially given the status of the sole aircraft carrier of the Russian Navy, although the two planned landing craft may have the potential to complete fixed-wing aviation operations. Moreover, it is doubtful whether there will be much foreign interest in this type of aircraft.

What else could the Americans consider?


The engine intake, in particular, is a mystery to them. From some angles, the hidden aircraft appears to have side air intakes similar to those found on the F-22, or the continuously variable supersonic intake (DSI) found on the F-35. In at least one profile view, as noted by Aviation Week Defense Editor Steve Trimble, the plane even appears to have a pentagon-shaped air intake that starts just below the front of the cockpit canopy.

This DSI scheme will be similar to a tabletop model of an unknown fighter design that appeared on the desk of Russian Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov late last year.

The fuselage appears to use a mixed wing / hull configuration common to most new generation fighter types, with a prominent chin running along the centerline, and possibly includes prominent vortex controllers or levkons, as on the Su-57. These moving surfaces serve to increase lift and maneuverability at low speeds, and on the Su-57 are reported to also increase maneuverability at supersonic speeds.

Obviously, the same steps were taken in the design of the new aircraft.

The chassis on the new fighter looks very realistic, such a chassis even makes you think that this is not a mock-up. For several generations, Russian ground-based fighters have been equipped with a super-powerful landing gear that allows them to fly from poorly prepared surfaces. The complexity of the mechanism indicates that this car is indeed a prototype and not a full-size model.


The cockpit canopy is clearly visible, but there is a perception in the American circle that there is a possibility that at some point the new fighter could also be installed in an unmanned configuration. The Americans again refer to a TASS article from May last year, which said that the aircraft being developed by Sukhoi "can be a universal platform in manned and unmanned versions."

Such a program could possibly use the technology developed for the S-70 Okhotnik unmanned combat aircraft, which Sukhoi is developing as part of the so-called Strike Reconnaissance unmanned aerial vehicle program.

Thus, it is possible that unmanned or possibly manned variants of this design could work alongside manned aircraft as a loyal wingman or as independent unmanned aerial vehicles. While this may be an exciting-sounding concept, it is more difficult to implement than it sounds.

As expected, the Americans were interested in the relatively narrow, conformal compartment for weaponslocated in front of the chassis. With only one angle at our disposal, it is difficult to draw many clear conclusions, but it seems to be best suited for air-to-air missiles, probably short to medium range. This is similar to the design of the Su-57, which has compartments on each side for short-range air-to-air missiles. Presumably, given the thicker dimensions of the central fuselage, the new aircraft will also have an under-fuselage compartment for weapons.

Being able to offer an economical fighter jet with some subtle characteristics and advanced sensors and avionics on the international market would be a significant coup, but there is little evidence that Russia can do it on its own without sacrificing other major defense initiatives. To this end, Russia is probably looking for a foreign partner to work together, which compensates for at least a significant part of the development costs. Once again, using as much of the lessons learned and even the subsystems and components of the Su-57 program, the risk could be reduced, and the cost of such a program could become a little less complex, but to implement the program over several years, it would still have to use significant resources.

However, it is important that Russia believes it can enter the world market in the light to medium weight fighter category, which was previously dominated by either cheaper designs such as the JF-17 or modernized Cold War jet aircraft such as F-16.

After all, there may well be a market for a cheaper alternative to the F-35, then in reality Moscow will not hunt for many potential customers. There are potential customers, such as Algeria, Egypt and Vietnam, who will be interested in such an aircraft.

However, very nicely, Americans remind those who read their publications that there is such a program as countering America's opponents with the help of the Sanctions Act or CAASTA, which imposes sanctions on countries that buy military equipment from Russia (and other opponents of the United States) unless a specific refusal to supply similar equipment from the USA is provided. India, for example, was forced to receive a refusal to purchase Russian-made S-400 air defense systems, and this may complicate the acquisition of this aircraft for some countries.

If the customer is unable to buy the F-35 for political or budgetary reasons and can bypass the CAASTA obstacles, the Russian fighter will still face competition from other advanced types of light and medium fighters, provided they continue production. These include offers from China, South Korea and Turkey, to name just three.

Considering all that has been said, American experts will follow with undisguised interest what will happen at MAKS.


And by the way, the Americans, consummate PR masters, believe that the marketing campaign around the presentation of this aircraft was quite professional. But opinions on the other side of the ocean were divided. Roughly half-and-half between those who believe that the new prototype is just a model, a full-size model, the most complex, but a model. Opponents believe that this is a real model of the aircraft.

Only a demonstration flight in Zhukovsky can confirm or deny. So we are waiting for the opening of MAKS-2021 and the flight of the new aircraft.
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  1. Borik
    Borik 20 July 2021 03: 47
    +25
    Soon we will see this plane without this blanket, and then we will discuss it. If this is a prototype and not a model, then our aircraft designers do not eat bread in vain.
    1. DEDMOROZOV
      DEDMOROZOV 20 July 2021 04: 54
      -11%
      WANGUYU. (Yes, I can argue with a wang on my hut) that apart from presentations of demonstrations and loud statements there will be nothing. As the saying goes, swing for a ruble blow for a penny.
      Examples to enumerate even from aviation is probably unnecessary?
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 20 July 2021 04: 58
        +17
        Yes, let's) don't be shy)
      2. venik
        venik 20 July 2021 09: 34
        +10
        Quote: DEDMOROZOV
        WANGUYU. (What is there wangyu I can bet my house) that apart from presentations of demonstrations and loud statements there will be nothing.

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        And I - FOR! An extra hut would not hurt me! bully
        1. dauria
          dauria 20 July 2021 10: 40
          +8
          And I - FOR! An extra hut would not hurt me!

          Are you not afraid to lose your hut? I would not risk it ... To create the F-35, the international team was muddied at all stages from development to production. And this is the rich USA ....
          And here is a marvelous wonder. "There was not a penny, but suddenly altyn." The flying plane was made on the quiet, so much so that none of the adversaries even noticed?
          A vague photo of the MiG-29 was in the "Jane's Handbook" already in the 77th year. And this was in the USSR, where they knew how to remain silent.
          1. Roman_vh
            Roman_vh 20 July 2021 13: 57
            +2
            And whoever said that we need to build a hut, this is a brave Santa Claus. True, he will also put Santa Claus in a hut.
          2. Evgenii Xolod
            Evgenii Xolod 20 July 2021 16: 51
            +3
            Do you have a whole list that was made on the sly?
          3. zenion
            zenion 20 July 2021 23: 27
            +4
            dauria. Could it be that the manufacturers themselves do not know that they have made such an aircraft? When ballistic missiles were dragged across Red Square in Moscow at a parade in 1964, the factory workers did not know that they had created it.
            1. NIKN
              NIKN 21 July 2021 11: 29
              +3
              And this can explain the lack of interest in the newest Su-57 and the desire to acquire the Su-30 and its modifications.
              Lack of interest is a vague concept. There is interest, but there is very little for the full, effective operation of one Su-57. To operate it in accordance with the tasks for which it was developed, an appropriate network-centric warfare infrastructure is required, the development of which costs two, if not three orders of magnitude, of the cost of at least the Su57 regiment. Not every country can afford it even close. And to buy a tactical unit for big money ... well, I would not. If you buy one, for the image.
          4. alexey sidykin
            alexey sidykin 21 July 2021 12: 58
            +1
            Yes, we've already heard that about hypersound. Zircon
      3. madsollo
        madsollo 21 July 2021 14: 45
        0
        It's not even about whether the 75th will fly at MAKS or just another "carrot" will be shown ... The question is - how many people in real life have seen the tests of Poseidon, Zircon (with certainty that this is Zircon), as well as Peresvet and others like them? ! ... But if the mattress covers seriously lit up about their adoption into service or the final stage, for a minute, state. acceptance ... The specifics will be in a year or two, even if it is already a flight model.
      4. Beregovic_1
        Beregovic_1 28 July 2021 14: 11
        -1
        A week later, it's safe to say that you were 110% right. Apart from presentations and loud statements, there was nothing. Alas.
    2. ares1988
      ares1988 20 July 2021 08: 16
      -3
      So there is already a video and a photo without a cover. Look at the bmpd post "Leaked".
      1. venik
        venik 20 July 2021 09: 35
        +2
        Quote: ares1988
        So there is already a video and a photo without a cover. Look at the bmpd post "Leaked".

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        Throw a link, otherwise I can't find something!
        1. Bashkirkhan
          Bashkirkhan 20 July 2021 10: 16
          +3
          Here is a photo of the new fighter
          1. venik
            venik 20 July 2021 10: 39
            +6
            Quote: Bashkirkhan
            Here is a photo of the new fighter

            =========
            Thank you! Found others:





            The Su-75 has one nasal air intake! I remembered that sketches of a promising MiG-41 appeared quite a long time ago:

            There are certain similarities ... request
            1. Bashkirkhan
              Bashkirkhan 20 July 2021 11: 10
              +3
              Quote: venik
              The Su-75 has one nasal air intake!

              Moreover, the stealth supersonic air intake DSI. The bourgeoisie had such developments on the F-16.
              1. venik
                venik 20 July 2021 13: 20
                +10
                Quote: Bashkirkhan
                Moreover, the stealth supersonic air intake DSI. The bourgeoisie had such developments on the F-16.

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                In general, the idea is not new (though without taking into account the "stealth" technologies:


                As well as the V-shaped tail unit:


                As the saying goes: "Nothing is new under the Moon" ("someday", "somebody", "something like that" has already been invented ..... There are, of course, exceptions, but oh-oh-oh-h-h -very rare!).
                "Aerobatics" of the Designer is not to invent something "unseen before", but to skillfully combine solutions (including those already known) into a UNIFIED design and get a NEW QUALITY!
                1. zenion
                  zenion 20 July 2021 23: 30
                  0
                  Like King Solomon on the ring - this was before us and will be after us. Everything passes.
        2. ares1988
          ares1988 20 July 2021 12: 27
          +4
          https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4352747.html
          https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4353533.html
          1. venik
            venik 20 July 2021 13: 04
            +2
            Quote: ares1988
            https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4352747.html
            https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4353533.html

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            Have already found! But thanks anyway! drinks hi
    3. Yorgven
      Yorgven 23 July 2021 14: 10
      -1
      "... in the USA, the Su-57 is not considered a 4th generation aircraft" - you don't need to read further, the author confuses the USA and China ...
  2. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 20 July 2021 04: 07
    +6
    In short, the interest was not small. There is an intrigue. What real parameters the new aircraft will show is still a mystery. All the more, these data arouse burning interest. Although at the level of a model (and an experimental aircraft), you can say everything that is more or less plausible. Will believe wassat
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 20 July 2021 04: 43
      +8
      I think it will be a surprise. The side has tactical number 75 blue and on the RF keel. This is not applied to layouts)
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 20 July 2021 07: 47
        -6
        Again. The photo clearly shows that this is a layout. The applied numbers indicate the model number of the Su-75 (T-75) aircraft. The fact that they are stylized as an airplane is pure marketing. There are no miracles.
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 20 July 2021 08: 02
          +8
          Exactly. And this is probably why he has the registration number of the aircraft. And once again, again, since when is the number of the development theme put on board ???
          1. venik
            venik 20 July 2021 09: 44
            +7
            Quote: carstorm 11
            And this is probably why he has the registration number of the aircraft. And again, again- since when is the development theme number put on board??

            =======
            And this is the "know-how" of our "Kitty"! He can’t calm down while pouring a spoonful of "guano" into a barrel of honey! request
        2. alexmach
          alexmach 20 July 2021 14: 13
          +1
          Again. The photo clearly shows that this is a layout.

          Logically, this is really most likely a layout, but as can be seen from the photo then?
        3. ultra
          ultra 21 July 2021 13: 03
          -2
          Slyusar clearly said that this one will rise in air in 2023.
          1. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik 21 July 2021 13: 15
            +2
            Quote: ultra
            Slyusar clearly said that this one will rise in air in 2023.

  3. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 20 July 2021 04: 25
    +6
    Only a demonstration flight in Zhukovsky can confirm or deny. So we are waiting for the opening of MAKS-2021 and the flight of a new aircraft.

    Phrase of the day. yes
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 20 July 2021 06: 27
      +5
      Phrase of the day.
      We are waiting, the key word.
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  5. Bykov.
    Bykov. 20 July 2021 05: 14
    -6
    Cheaper version of the Su-57.
    1. venik
      venik 20 July 2021 09: 46
      +8
      Quote: Bulls.
      Cheaper version of the Su-57.

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      This is in no way a "cheaper version" of the Su-57! This is a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT design!
    2. Hypertension
      Hypertension 20 July 2021 11: 12
      +3
      Quote: Bulls.
      Cheaper version of the Su-57.

      Rumor has it that the aircraft will be powered by a product -30 engine (AL-41F1). The same second stage engine for the Su-57.
      1. El Chuvachino
        El Chuvachino 20 July 2021 15: 20
        +2
        Not rumors, he will be.
  6. yuliatreb
    yuliatreb 20 July 2021 05: 41
    +8
    In Soviet times, the designers did not even think about the commercial perspective of a technical product and the equipment turned out to be competitive, having sometimes not surpassed characteristics, and now they are trying to keep up with all the hares and so that ours and yours also have them. Wild era, the country is ruled by a businessman.
    1. Seryoga64
      Seryoga64 20 July 2021 07: 14
      +6
      Quote: yuliatreb
      and the technique came out competitively

      Firstly, there was no competition as well as competition then.
      States sold their cars to their "partners", we to ours. And no one climbed into someone else's "sandbox"
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 20 July 2021 08: 01
        +4
        Quote: Seryoga64
        Firstly, there was no competition as well as competition then.

        Rave. The competition was fierce. For each order, 2-3 KB minimum, no margin for error. Therefore, I made high-class, advanced aircraft. The survival of the country was at stake, not "despicable metal."
        1. Seryoga64
          Seryoga64 20 July 2021 08: 04
          0
          Quote: OgnennyiKotik
          The competition was fierce.

          With whom
          For each order, 2-3 KB minimum, no margin for error.

          This is within the country, and we are talking about the external market.
          Do not confuse soft with cold
      2. yuliatreb
        yuliatreb 20 July 2021 08: 41
        -2
        Firstly, there was no competition at that time, just like there was competition.
        On the contrary, the competition was fierce between the design bureaus, and the Union supplied its equipment to those to whom the states supplied theirs.
        1. Seryoga64
          Seryoga64 20 July 2021 08: 47
          0
          Quote: yuliatreb
          Quite the contrary, the competition was fierce between KB,

          So we are talking about EXTERNAL competition
          Our design bureaus competed domestically
          Well, what nonsense are you talking about !!!
          How could the USSR supply NATO equipment and how could the States supply their equipment to the Warsaw Pact countries ????
          So the rest of the world was divided into zones of influence and no one climbed into someone else's territory.
          Remind about Irano Iraqi war, where the weapons of the USSR fought against the weapons of the USSR?
          1. yuliatreb
            yuliatreb 20 July 2021 08: 53
            +4
            I don't even want to argue with you, you are nonsense, what difference is it internal or external, it was, and sometimes external healthy competition as it was, this is the force that moved the economy and forced engineers to perform feats, people were real patriots of their country , they were not interested in money.
            1. Seryoga64
              Seryoga64 20 July 2021 09: 02
              +2
              Quote: yuliatreb
              what is the difference whether it is internal or external,

              Huge !!!! KB competed with each other! It's like a national championship in any sport.
              External competition is competition between countries for contracts that will bring currency to the state.
              external healthy competition

              Once again I ask, with whom did you compete ????
              this is the force that drove the economy and made engineers perform feats

              So are we talking about external competition, or are we sliding into the economy?
              , they were not interested in money.

              What are you here "Agitprom" of slogans staged. The engineers were not interested in money? Have their families been fed for free?
              1. yuliatreb
                yuliatreb 20 July 2021 09: 06
                -3
                Huge !!!! KB competed with each other!
                You told me here that there was no competition
                Firstly, there was no competition as well as competition then.
                Discussion is over hi
                1. Seryoga64
                  Seryoga64 20 July 2021 09: 12
                  +2
                  Quote: yuliatreb
                  You told me here that there was no competition

                  Yeah ... a case of deafness and blindness is hard
                  A person will never understand the difference between INTERNAL and EXTERNAL competition ...
                  Repeat
                  This is within the country, and we are talking about the external market.

                  So we are talking about EXTERNAL competition

                  External competition is competition between countries for contracts that will bring currency to the state.

                  This is how we talk about external competition

                  Once again I ask, with whom did the USSR compete on the foreign market for the sale of weapons ????
      3. marat2016
        marat2016 21 July 2021 19: 06
        0
        India, Iraq, Peru, Finland, Yugoslavia - these are the major importers where they had to compete with the West.
        1. Seryoga64
          Seryoga64 21 July 2021 19: 49
          +1
          Quote: marat2016
          India, Iraq, Peru, Finland, Yugoslavia - these are the major importers where they had to compete with the West.

          Delirium of a mare!
          The USSR could not sell military equipment to capitalist countries to sell
          It's like giving it to the Americans
          1. marat2016
            marat2016 21 July 2021 20: 01
            0
            To which of the above countries did the Union not supply equipment?
            1. Seryoga64
              Seryoga64 21 July 2021 20: 08
              +1
              Quote: marat2016
              To which of the above countries did the Union not supply equipment?

              In everything!
              1. marat2016
                marat2016 22 July 2021 20: 21
                0
                With you, everything is clear, by the way, you are not late for school in your 2nd grade?
  7. Professor
    Professor 20 July 2021 06: 25
    -7
    And, to my great pleasure, almost all overseas publications that can be respected have given the novelty a fraction of their attention. This is The Popular Mechanics, and The National Interest, and The Drive, and Naval Aviation News (well, God himself ordered that) - in general, everyone spoke out.

    Roma, Roma. The National Interest, and The Drive reputable publications? But what about the "Bulletin of Mordovia"? wink The standards are low nowadays, however. request

    PS
    World aviation news today is Bezos's flight into space. That's where PR is PR. Although not from scratch. We are witnessing a historic event.
    1. Thrifty
      Thrifty 20 July 2021 07: 32
      +5
      Professor, when the Israelis on their rocket launch their spacecraft into orbit with their crew on board, it will be a world sensation!
      1. Professor
        Professor 20 July 2021 08: 48
        0
        Quote: Thrifty
        Professor, when the Israelis on their rocket launch their spacecraft into orbit with their crew on board, it will be a world sensation!

        Troll thickly. So far, the Russian Federation also sends crews into space only on Soviet rockets. Shall we cry together over this? But Bezos is not flying on a von Brown rocket, but on his own. Original. This has never happened in world history. It is this event that will be included in the textbooks, and not showing the concept of the aircraft at the exhibition.
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        2. alexey sidykin
          alexey sidykin 21 July 2021 13: 12
          0
          And what is the originality of his rocket? Or is there some other engine that will make a breakthrough in rocketry?
    2. Erik
      Erik 20 July 2021 09: 30
      +3
      Actually, what is historical there? The rich have fun as they can, and they also cry! There is nothing new and historical in this! Or are you talking about dividing the commercial flights market? Or that the private trader did assemble a rocket? Where is the novelty?
      1. dauria
        dauria 20 July 2021 10: 56
        0
        Or that the private trader has assembled a rocket? Where is the novelty?


        Well, if this is not "novelty", then what is the novelty of the country's aircraft construction? By the way, even this still needs to be checked ... What if the "concept" again? wink
        1. Erik
          Erik 20 July 2021 10: 59
          -2
          Look, it's all about money now. Or has something changed dramatically since the time of Tsiolkovsky? There are grandmothers, hire brains and hard workers! Where is the novelty? And yes, by the way, I missed such a moment, the private trader did not collect it himself! I did not develop it myself, etc. again the labor of a worker, engineer and designer!
          1. dauria
            dauria 20 July 2021 11: 11
            +2
            There are grandmothers, hire brains and hard workers! Where is the novelty?


            This is where the billionaire spends money. laughing You will not be surprised with anything ... Well, perhaps if Potanin and Rotenberg had ordered Roscosmos a personal Hubble telescope and began to look at other galaxies.
      2. English tarantas
        English tarantas 20 July 2021 16: 35
        0
        Yes, there is no novelty. The fact that 1 person can be richer than several dozen countries combined is not news for more than one thousand years.
    3. English tarantas
      English tarantas 20 July 2021 16: 33
      +3
      We are witnessing a historic event.

      Since the age of 61, manned space flight is not new.
    4. Usher
      Usher 20 July 2021 17: 05
      0
      Quote: Professor
      And, to my great pleasure, almost all overseas publications that can be respected have given the novelty a fraction of their attention. This is The Popular Mechanics, and The National Interest, and The Drive, and Naval Aviation News (well, God himself ordered that) - in general, everyone spoke out.

      Roma, Roma. The National Interest, and The Drive reputable publications? But what about the "Bulletin of Mordovia"? wink The standards are low nowadays, however. request

      PS
      World aviation news today is Bezos's flight into space. That's where PR is PR. Although not from scratch. We are witnessing a historic event.

      Shta !? Event? I learned about this "event" in the YouTube video. The same event for me about which you learn xs how.
  8. Sentinel-vs
    Sentinel-vs 20 July 2021 07: 13
    +19
    Quote: Professor
    World aviation news today is Bezos' flight into space


    Who cares ... Our MiG-31s ​​regularly jump into the stratosphere, without any excitement, within the framework of routine everyday life.
    For me, this "news" with a short flight in the "near space" was rather ordinary. But what kind of airplane was prepared for the show on Max - intrigued. Well, I'm not interested in the PR projects of billionaires, but military aviation is interesting.
  9. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 20 July 2021 07: 36
    -2
    It cannot be cheap. But in the future, it is necessary to change the 4th generation to something of the same model and mass. There can be savings only in unification and mass scale. From the old Sushki, you can leave something like the Su30 in a highly modernized version, and instead of everything else, go to LFMS and Su57.
    1. Sanichsan
      Sanichsan 20 July 2021 12: 44
      0
      Quote: Zaurbek
      But in the future, it is necessary to change the 4th generation to something of the same model and mass.

      in reality, quite the opposite wink major aircraft-building powers such as the United States are returning to mass production of the 4th generation and below. you don't need superweapons, but workhorses like the F-15 or toucans. I think we have the same story. the SU-57 was the same as the T-64. yes, cool, but not for war. expensive and difficult to manufacture. needed for a simpler and more massive, at least like the SU-30.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 20 July 2021 12: 47
        +1
        In pieces..F35 is the leader. And 4 +++ are made either for export, or they close the "holes" that cannot be closed by F35 ... like F15EX.


        To make the Su57 cheaper, its components must be produced and installed on a light fighter and generation 4 ++++.
        1. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 20 July 2021 12: 51
          +1
          Quote: Zaurbek
          In pieces..F35 is the leader. And 4 +++ is made either for export

          ummm .. in fact, it's just the F35 that is made for export wink
          Quote: Zaurbek
          close the "holes" that cannot be closed by F35 ... of the F15EX type.

          Well, if the structure of the Air Force is considered as a hole, then yes. until the F35 could replace anything. absolutely. all combat functions are performed by 4 and 4 ++, and the vaunted F35 for export and to demonstrate in exercises for the same export.
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 20 July 2021 13: 39
            0
            The composition of the US Air Force, and even more so NATO in pieces, is far from the Aerospace Forces ... and even a large-scale production of F35 cannot immediately saturate the Air Force ... and the 4th generation lines are still working, as is the production of the 5th generation avionics.
            1. Sanichsan
              Sanichsan 20 July 2021 14: 29
              0
              Quote: Zaurbek
              The composition of the US Air Force, and even more so NATO in pieces, is far from the Aerospace Forces ... and even a large-scale release of the F35 cannot immediately saturate the Air Force

              true, but the actual situation is such that new 4 ++ and old ones removed from storage are used to saturate the Air Force. Yes, it was planned that the F4 would replace the 35 ++ in the troops, but in fact the F4 turned out to be a suitcase without a handle. he could not replace the 35th generation. does not meet the needs of the military. the point is not that the F-4 is small, the point is that it is not suitable for the won. 35 ++ are significantly better suited for combat. in service it is cheaper, the load is higher, the cost of departure is lower ... than F4 is better? stealth which is not known how functional? network centricity which ended on the very F35? the bottom line is two ambiguous pluses and a bunch of unambiguous minuses.
              and so yes, there is a contract, the budget is knocked out, the loot is sawing, but how to fight so 4 ++. request
              1. Zaurbek
                Zaurbek 20 July 2021 15: 44
                0
                It is banal for the F15EX so far there is no alternative ..... and the old F15s are out of service due to old age
        2. alexey sidykin
          alexey sidykin 21 July 2021 13: 15
          0
          What is the point in these things if they break down every now and then and for 20 years this popular F35 has not been brought to mind and is still asking for money for its revision?
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 21 July 2021 13: 31
            0
            And the fact that it replaces 2-3 types of combat aircraft?
            To talk on this topic, you need data and comparison with similar data from competitors ....... and so - One grandmother said ...
  10. Andycomm
    Andycomm 20 July 2021 08: 01
    -20%
    Don't put your fingers in this Putin's mouth! How he fools the West with his hypersonic zircon. But we all understand that this is all inflatable rubber.
    1. Sanichsan
      Sanichsan 20 July 2021 12: 55
      0
      Quote: Andycomm
      But we all understand that this is all inflatable rubber.

      most will not understand your sarcasm wink
      1. English tarantas
        English tarantas 21 July 2021 16: 24
        +1
        This is a battle of bots)
    2. alexey sidykin
      alexey sidykin 21 July 2021 13: 16
      0
      You at least change the training manual from time to time
  11. Sigbiern
    Sigbiern 20 July 2021 08: 54
    -3
    Che is late with the news. photos have long been leaked

  12. venik
    venik 20 July 2021 09: 31
    +11
    R. Skomorokhov's article contains one very strange photo, namely - FIRST:

    If everyone else is not in doubt, then this is exactly what is - is an obvious photomontage that distorts the idea of ​​\ uXNUMXb \ uXNUMXbthe true dimensions of the aircraft!
    Here's an enlarged snippet:

    It is clearly seen that the figure of the person in the foreground is much smaller than the figures of people in the background. In addition, at high magnification, you can see a light outline, clearly visible in the chassis area:

    Therefore, this photo can in no way be used to compare the dimensions of the Su-57 and the New machine !!!
    And why only did Roman use it ?? request
    1. Mityay65
      Mityay65 20 July 2021 10: 49
      +4
      Chassis wheel diameters. For an estimated comparison of the dimensions from the photo, it is enough to compare the diameters of the wheels, since the designer most likely didn’t trick, but chose a proven standard solution at this stage (prototyping, I suppose).
      1. venik
        venik 20 July 2021 12: 49
        +2
        Quote: Mityai65
        Chassis wheel diameters.

        =======
        good And this too !!!
        Now a dispute will arise: is it just a "model" or is it a "prototype"? I am inclined to think that this is most likely a kind of "prototype" for testing layout solutions and / or ground tests (aerodynamic or strength) ...
        drinks
    2. Spiridon
      Spiridon 20 July 2021 11: 10
      -1
      Have you ever wondered why the plane should be driven onto the lawn?)))
      1. venik
        venik 20 July 2021 12: 51
        +2
        Quote: Spiridon
        Have you ever wondered why the plane should be driven onto the lawn?)))

        ========
        Didn't you think that it was the FIRST thing that confused me?
        Just considering the arisen inconsistencies, this little thing was just "left behind the scenes" .....
        1. Nosgoth
          Nosgoth 23 July 2021 02: 58
          +1
          The photo (picture) is just a photo toad for comparing the sizes of two aircraft.
          BUT the author of the photo turned out to be curved and cross-eyed :-))) tk. from the figures of people it is clear (the one near the nasal fairing of the Su-75 is too small compared to the people standing near the engines of the Su-57) that the size of the Su-75 is larger than the one that is photoshopped. As if they are not really that and differ in size.
          1. venik
            venik 23 July 2021 09: 10
            0
            Quote: Nosgoth
            No matter how they differ in size.

            =======
            I think they are still different, although not so much! drinks
    3. Freeman
      Freeman 20 July 2021 11: 14
      +10
      Quote: venik
      R. Skomorokhov's article contains one very strange photo, namely - FIRST:

      ... that is exactly what constitutes an obvious photomontage ...


      No photomontage - This is a preview of the +100500 generation stealth coating!
      - The device became visible only after the development of the film shot on "Change 8"!

      And that's what the owners of the pitiful "iPhone 12" could only see.


      wassat laughing
      1. venik
        venik 20 July 2021 12: 55
        +1
        Quote: Freeman
        And this is what the owners of the pathetic
        "IPhone 12". wassat

        ======
        Alexey! good fellow drinks
    4. alexey sidykin
      alexey sidykin 21 July 2021 13: 18
      0
      I noticed. And they could have done better photoshop, otherwise at the level of an amateur
  13. Engineer
    Engineer 20 July 2021 09: 43
    -5
    United Corporation of Model Building
  14. Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 20 July 2021 09: 53
    +5
    Roman, why are you casting a shadow over the fence again? The Indians, like all other potential customers, do not buy the Su-57 for one single and long-known reason - they are waiting for the corresponding engines. For the same reason, our MO is not particularly in a hurry with the series. The few that went to the troops - exclusively for training and familiarization.
  15. Angry Alt-Right
    Angry Alt-Right 20 July 2021 09: 56
    +2
    I didn't think Skomorokhov would start writing such frank advertising articles!
    To go to MAKS is to pay for a PCR test of 2000 at least and another 1000 for a ticket. And because of the "sanctions", there will be no flight diversity, because of which normal people go to all sorts of air shows. So it is necessary to somehow lure amateurs and advertising must be ordered.
    1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 20 July 2021 10: 21
      +3
      Quote: Angry Alt-Right
      To go to MAKS is to pay for a PCR test 2000 at least

      Vaccinated people also need to have a PCR test, is a vaccination certificate not enough?
      1. Angry Alt-Right
        Angry Alt-Right 20 July 2021 12: 47
        0
        As far as I understand, the PCR test can only be a substitute for a vaccine in terms of receiving a QR code. In both cases, everything dances from this. As with other regulated public visits. I was just aiming at going to MAKS, because it's a tradition. I saw the price tag for PCR, that's why I wrote above my very general indignation.
        1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
          Sidor Amenpodestovich 20 July 2021 12: 56
          -1
          If you do not want to be vaccinated, pay regularly 2000 rubles for a PCR test.
          If you don't want to pay regularly 2000 rubles for a PCR test, get vaccinated.
          It's simple.
          1. Angry Alt-Right
            Angry Alt-Right 20 July 2021 14: 15
            +2
            Yes, just an eternal tomorrow on that score!)
            And besides MAKS, there are also trips over the hill, where Russian vaccines may not be recognized, in contrast to the PCR test. Dunnost, such a thing.
    2. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 20 July 2021 11: 28
      +1
      Quote: Angry Alt-Right
      I didn't think Skomorokhov would start writing such frank advertising articles!
      To go to MAKS is to pay for a PCR test of 2000 at least and another 1000 for a ticket. And because of the "sanctions", there will be no flight diversity, because of which normal people go to all sorts of air shows. So it is necessary to somehow lure amateurs and advertising must be ordered.


      And just a QR code about vaccination is not enough?

      Why are you lying about what you don't know?
      1. Angry Alt-Right
        Angry Alt-Right 20 July 2021 12: 42
        +1
        I have not been vaccinated. Of those who just went to the site and found out about the need for a PCR test, after which a QR is issued. The PCR test is not free for everyone.
        About "vi fsё lie" - this is to the organizer of the salon and their site! good
  16. Tagan
    Tagan 20 July 2021 10: 13
    +3
    Quote: Dreamcat2021
    Well, "You are the ones who" understand "even on the Crimean bridge pierced;) By the way, yesterday they performed another target defeat with" Zircon "from" Gorshkov "

    Andycomm just joked in the style of "Putin cartoons"
  17. Operator
    Operator 20 July 2021 10: 18
    -7
    Damn, why cite all sorts of different Internet technodes @ bilov - from the fact that they are foreigners, they do not become smarter. Idolatry before the West, isn't it?

    The budgetary single-engine "Sukhoi" of the fifth generation is a competitor to the F-35 and is intended for export to Third World countries - complete with the S-400 and other domestic buns that the United States is trying to block.

    The appearance and performance characteristics of "Sukhoi" will be revealed during the Moscow air show, which will be held from July 20 to 25 this year.
  18. smaug78
    smaug78 20 July 2021 10: 22
    -7
    Engine intake
    - it's a shame...
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  20. Spiridon
    Spiridon 20 July 2021 11: 05
    -13%
    If the shape with F22 can be copied with ease, the F119-PW-100 engine cannot be repeated by anyone. At least for the next decade. So in the photo there is a meaningless blank with the 4+ engine. And this is a technique of the level of the late 80s.
  21. NAVARRO
    NAVARRO 20 July 2021 11: 44
    -14%
    everything in this story is strange. who needs a moment of 21 with imaginary stealth. A huge step back. It would be better if all efforts were directed to the development of the Hunter UAV and so on. It looks like another cut.
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 20 July 2021 11: 47
      -5
      Quote: Navarro
      UAV Hunter

      This project is the cut. The 5th generation single-engine fighter is an extremely necessary and promising project. With great domestic and export potential. It was needed already 10 years ago, if not earlier.
      1. NAVARRO
        NAVARRO 20 July 2021 11: 58
        -11%
        I agree 15-20 years ago it was really needed, but now no one needs a 5th generation fighter with a single-engine layout at an exorbitant price. They were replaced by UAVs, period. in 5-10 years, when they take him into service, they will laugh at him as if he was Admiral Kuznetsov, who is dying into the sky. This is a dead-end branch of development.
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    1. Tamparu
      Tamparu 20 July 2021 12: 14
      +1
      Quote: Kep370
      Quote: smaug78
      Engine intake
      - it's a shame...
      And the cockpit dome is not a shame? winked

      Dome of the cockpit ???
      Then maybe another Circus Dome?))) wassat
      Actually, it was always a lantern ... wassat
      Sincerely, hi
  23. Maikcg
    Maikcg 20 July 2021 12: 45
    0
    Indeed, to date, the Su-57 has not really interested any country, and attempts to sell it have not been crowned with success.


    Indeed, to date, the Bulava missile has not interested any country, and attempts to sell it have not been crowned with success.

    Indeed, to date, Borei-class nuclear submarines have not interested any country, and attempts to sell it have not been crowned with success.

    Indeed, to date, the Dagger complex has not interested any country, and attempts to sell it have not been crowned with success.

    Indeed, to date, Armata has not really interested any country, and attempts to sell it have not been crowned with success.

    Here is such a failure of sales of the Su-57 No.

    Indeed, to date, the F-22 is not interested in any country, and attempts to sell it have not been crowned with success. wassat
    1. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 20 July 2021 13: 23
      0
      Quote: MaikCG

      Indeed, to date, the F-22 is not interested in any country, and attempts to sell it have not been crowned with success. wassat


      Those. you have never even read about the Japanese ...
      1. Maikcg
        Maikcg 20 July 2021 14: 04
        0
        Only about how the samurai Akinomi Hosomi dived on the F-35 to the bottom of the sea.
        1. SovAr238A
          SovAr238A 20 July 2021 14: 56
          -2
          Quote: MaikCG
          Only about how the samurai Akinomi Hosomi dived on the F-35 to the bottom of the sea.


          Clear.
          I'm wondering why you wrote specifically about SSBN Borey, about SLBM Bulava, about Dagger ...

          Do you know a lot of countries that bought other people's SSBNs, SLBMs ???
          well, except for the brits?

          Why didn't they write about the last Russian who have no analogues in the world:
          - frigates and corvettes?
          - Radar and electronic warfare?
          - self-propelled and towed artillery?
          - MLRS?
          - diesel submarines?
          - SAM complexes?
          - AWACS aircraft, Tankers, transporters?
          - training aircraft, combat helicopters?

          - Maybe we sell hundreds of PLO planes abroad, as is the case with Poseidon?

          - contracts with Indonesia and Malaysia?


          What have we concluded in the contracts for the last two or three years on military equipment?

          no, what was concluded 5-10 years ago and for which we continue to supply - it is not necessary to remember.

          Let's remember the most recent contracts. 2019-2021 ...
          What were the contracts for the last two MAKS?
          1. Maikcg
            Maikcg 21 July 2021 20: 54
            0
            There is no need to breed demagoguery here. It's about the idiotic statement that the Su-57 is supposedly trying to snatch at least someone, but nobody needs it.

            There would be free time, it would be possible to turn to the laws on fake news .. although a rather weak justification, nevertheless.
  24. English tarantas
    English tarantas 20 July 2021 16: 27
    +1
    and from the company "Sukhoi", where aircraft (combat) are able to make

    Yah? How many in the last 10 years? And how old is the Su-57 still a single one?
    Sawing money for projects is yes, but real work is not visible, as with this miracle, they will carry it at your rates for 15 years, then they will cut it, a new designer will be assembled and so on in a circle
    1. alexey sidykin
      alexey sidykin 21 July 2021 13: 32
      -2
      To cut the money to the Americans, Lockheed asked for a few more lamas for the revision of the F35. For 20 years they have been finalizing, finalizing, finalizing, but they cannot finalize ...
      1. English tarantas
        English tarantas 21 July 2021 16: 22
        +3
        F35 exists in 3 versions, all actively fly, actively bomb. The number of produced and operated in the world exceeds the number of the most modern aircraft in the RF Aerospace Forces. The number of those operated in the United States is not one hundred.
        You can work on endlessly, there is no limit to perfection, the same moment 31, first 29, then it went and went. But to develop so that the plane is fully ready for production and use, and you need to be able to start doing it en masse. Tired of already listening to tales about the fact that "the lame penguin does not fly", the Americans are clearly spending mountains of dough and obviously sawing kickbacks, but one thing is certain, they are sawing so that the job is done and well done, and this is the main thing, which is why they can afford to saw huge sums of money. Although who am I telling, one-day bots, ctrl + c ctrl + v
  25. Evgeny Ivanov_5
    Evgeny Ivanov_5 20 July 2021 17: 40
    +1
    Another model of the super-duper technology of the defense industry and the wunderwaffe of all the victorious Armed Forces of Russia.
  26. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 21 July 2021 03: 31
    -1
    ..............- "Malevich's black square !!! but the province went to "crack"
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  28. Protos
    Protos 21 July 2021 17: 51
    -1
    The Su-57 was NOT offered for export! Therefore, no one could refuse him lol
    1. marat2016
      marat2016 21 July 2021 19: 11
      0
      Hindus, no, weren't they offered?
  29. Pilgrim18
    Pilgrim18 21 July 2021 23: 55
    0
    If we recall all the attempts and victorious reports from the Su 57, and even with the same "Armata", we will get another zilch at the exit. It's good to remember that the F-35s against which we are putting up the Su-57 and Su-75 have already been released in three modifications for more than 500 units.
    What do we have - "MOSCOW, July 15, 2021 - RIA Novosti. From 2022 the Russian Defense Ministry should receive 12 newest fifth-generation Su-57 fighters a year," said Yuri Slyusar, General Director of the United Aircraft Building Corporation (UAC) during a meeting with the President. RF Vladimir Putin "And this is taking into account the fact that there is no engine for him, and these are also only promises.
  30. Nord11
    Nord11 22 July 2021 00: 33
    0
    And Ukraine has already stated that the idea and drawings of the miracle of the plane were stolen from her by the enemies?
  31. S.Freeman
    S.Freeman 22 July 2021 11: 44
    0
    This is what I will tell the author and the gorlopan strategists from the Kremlin: it is not necessary to bargain, but to defend your sky reliably. This is the first and only priority.