Chinese "Type 055". Destroyer with cruiser characteristics

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Design look of the destroyer "055". The ship launches a rocket from a central universal installation. Graphics Wikimedia Commons

China is actively developing its naval surface fleet, and one of the main measures in this direction is the construction of destroyers. Over the past decades, dozens of such ships have been built according to several projects, and these processes do not stop. The newest, largest and most powerful destroyers for the PLA Navy at the moment are the ships of the Type 055 project. Three such pennants have already been commissioned, and in the future they plan to build almost three dozen more.

New generation ship


The massive construction of modern destroyers for the PLA Navy started at the beginning of the XNUMXs. In the future, several different projects were consistently developed and implemented in metal. Each new destroyer project was based on modern technologies and components, and also took into account the operating experience of previous ships.



Since 2010, the construction of destroyers pr. "052D" has been carried out. It was originally planned that in the future this project will be redesigned to improve the main characteristics and combat qualities. However, it then became clear that Type 052D has limited modernization potential and a completely new project is needed to obtain all the desired results.

Soon, work on the modernization of "052D" was curtailed and a new project "055" was launched, the development of which was officially announced only in 2014. By this time, they managed to complete the necessary design work, as well as build and test a ground model of the superstructure with electronic weapons.


Launching the lead destroyer "Nanchang", 2017. Photo Bmpd.livejournal.com

As it became known, the purpose of the Type 055 project is to create a destroyer of increased size and displacement, capable of carrying a wider range of modern and advanced weapons in large numbers. For this, it was planned to use up-to-date technologies and solutions, which also made it possible to create a reserve for subsequent upgrades.

It was planned to build 16 ships for all three fleets. The lead destroyer was supposed to enter the combat composition of the Navy no later than 2018-20. Later it became known about a possible increase in the series up to 30 units. The last ships will have to enter combat strength fleet to 2035

Under construction


In 2014, the Jiangnan Shipyard (Shanghai) began preparations for the construction of the lead destroyer 055. In December of the same year, a groundbreaking ceremony took place. The ship received the tail number "101" and the name "Nanchang". It was launched at the end of June 2017, after which the completion stage afloat began.

In 2018-19. the head "Type 055" has passed the necessary tests, including firing with the use of all types weapons... On January 12, 2020, the destroyer was handed over to the customer, who included it in the combat strength of the Northern Fleet. To date, "Nanchang" has managed to make several voyages as part of different ship groups.


"Nanchang" on sea trials, August 2018 Photo Cjdby.net

In April 2018, the first serial destroyer Lhasa with w / n 102 was launched in Shanghai. After all the necessary tests, on March 2, 2021, he also entered the Northern Fleet. In July 2018, two new ships were launched at the Dalian Shipbuilding Industry Company in Dalian. One of them, Dalian, was transferred to the Navy this year. The second is still being tested.

According to known data, up to 3-4 new destroyers are currently being tested. The same number of ships is still at different stages of construction. The work is carried out at once by two enterprises in Shanghai and Dalian, which should speed up the implementation of the entire program. It is quite possible that the previously planned series of 16 large ships will be completed in the second half of this decade, and by the mid-thirties, 14 more pennants will be operational.

The short construction time was achieved due to the modular-sectional approach. The ship is assembled from nine large sections, which by the time of docking receive the bulk of the necessary equipment. In addition, new technologies for manufacturing large-sized parts have been introduced, which reduces the required number of operations and speeds up assembly.

Technical features


The destroyer "Type 055" is a surface ship approx. 180 m, maximum width approx. 20 m and a draft of more than 6 m. Normal displacement - 11 thousand tons, full - 13 thousand tons. The ship is operated by a crew of 310 people.


The lead "Type 055" and one of the destroyers "Type 052D". Photo 81.cn

It is noteworthy that the latest Chinese ships in terms of size and displacement go beyond the usual limits of the "destroyer" class. In the foreign press, "Type 055" is often compared with American missile cruisers of the Ticonderoga type - they are several meters shorter and have a displacement of less than 10 thousand tons.

The ship "055" is built on the basis of a traditional hull design and receives a faceted superstructure with two "islands" and a mast. Most of the units and devices are retracted inside the structure, which should reduce the visibility in different ranges. On the superstructure, there are places for mounting the AFAR of the main radar.

The project provides for the use of a main power plant of the COGAG type based on four QC-280 gas turbine engines with a capacity of 38 thousand hp each. each running on two propeller shafts. Two of them are used constantly, the second pair is used to increase the total power. The ship's power systems are built around six 50 MW QD-5 gas turbine generators.

With this energy, the ship develops a speed of up to 30 knots. Economic speed - 20 knots. The cruising range reaches 5 thousand nautical miles.

It is expected that in the future, Type 055 ships will begin to receive upgraded QC-280 engines with a capacity of 45 thousand hp each. The power supply will be rebuilt using an integrated power plant. At the same time, the existing 30 MW generators not only correspond to existing consumers, but also create a power reserve for further modernization.


The third and fourth destroyers "055" during launching, July 2018. Photo Bmpd.livejournal.com

The ship is equipped with a Chinese-developed high-performance digital combat information and control system. It integrates the main Type 346B surveillance radar, capable of detecting large targets at ranges of up to 600 km. Four AFARs of this station are installed on the superstructure. The AFAR station for monitoring the air situation is located on the mast. There are also radio equipment for controlling the fire of anti-aircraft and artillery systems. The use of active and passive electronic warfare is envisaged.

In the bow of the ship is the SJD-9 hydroacoustic station with a detection range of underwater targets up to 10 km. In the stern there are means for the release of a towed GAS ESS-1 with a range of 25 km.

Type 055 is equipped with modular universal vertical missile launchers. Each such module has eight cells. There are eight modules in front of the superstructure, six more in the center of the ship. The total ammunition load is 112 missiles. The destroyer can use YJ-18 and CJ-10 cruise missiles to engage surface and coastal targets. Air defense at medium and long range is carried out using HHQ-9 and HHQ-16 missiles. It is also possible to use CY-5 anti-submarine missiles.

In front of the bow launcher is the 130 mm H / PJ-38 artillery system. The ship also carries one 11-barreled 30-mm machine gun H / PJ-11 and an anti-aircraft complex HJ-10 with its own launcher for 24 missiles. To combat underwater targets, there are two three-tube torpedo tubes of 324 mm caliber with Yu-7 torpedoes.


"Nanchang" on a campaign, April 2021. Photo by the Japanese Ministry of Defense

A hangar for two helicopters is provided in the aft part of the superstructure. The destroyer can carry multipurpose or anti-submarine vehicles of the Z-9, Z-18 or Z-20 type for solving various auxiliary tasks. A compartment for rigid-hull inflatable boats is provided in the stern of the hull.

Ships in the service


The destroyer "Type 055" is designed to work as part of ship groups for various purposes. Its main task is to provide air defense of the formation at medium and long ranges. At the same time, he is able to defend himself and other ships from an air attack in the near zone and from underwater threats. The destroyer is also capable of attacking surface and coastal targets.

The composition of the main launcher ammunition is determined in accordance with the missions of the campaign. It is known that a typical combat load includes up to 65-70 HHQ-9 and HHQ-16 anti-aircraft missiles, up to 20-24 cruise missiles for attacking coastal targets, and up to 12-15 units. anti-ship weapons.

The lead "Nanchang" over the past year has repeatedly gone to sea as part of various ship groups. In particular, he already had to accompany aircraft carriers and landing ships. Two serial destroyers that have already entered service should also be involved in such campaigns. Then the next ships "Type 055" will join them.

Fleet prospects


The gradual and long-term development of the direction of destroyers led to the most interesting results. The Chinese industry has created and handed over to the Navy new destroyers with potential at the level of foreign cruisers. Together with the destroyers of the "traditional" appearance, they will become the basis of the surface forces, capable of defending themselves and the indicated areas, as well as attacking any targets.

However, the full potential of "Type 055" will be realized only in the distant future. So far, only three new ships have been accepted into the PLA Navy, which leads to certain limitations. However, in the next year or two, their number may double or even triple - and construction will not stop there. In addition, work will continue to modernize the project. As a result, by the mid-thirties the destroyers of pr. 055 will become widespread and will not become obsolete morally.
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  1. +10
    28 June 2021 18: 18
    Later it became known about a possible increase in the series up to 30 units.

    These ships will become the backbone of the Chinese fleet. Only for a global confrontation with the United States and NATO, and 30 such large destroyers will not be enough.
    1. +16
      28 June 2021 18: 42
      Quote: Doccor18
      Just for a global confrontation with the United States and NATO, and 30 such large destroyers will not be enough.

      For a global confrontation? Which NATO would dare to fight China? They haven't lost their minds yet. The Chinese cannot be bought with cheap chewing gum and jeans. All of Europe lives on Chinese goods and even the United States owes China the most ...
      They do not have African refugees and I have not heard that terrorists are feared in China. It is likely that there they differ sharply from the bulk of the indigenous population. wink
      1. +9
        28 June 2021 18: 45
        Quote: ROSS 42
        The Chinese cannot be bought with cheap chewing gum and jeans.

        These are not degenerate Soviet commies who drank, betrayed their allies, including the GDR, and sold the country in 1991. The cruiser Moskva is sailing in the Black Sea Fleet, which is very archaic and outdated, as ancient as the excrements of a mammoth, it is high time for it to be disposed of in Inkerman. The radio command control system, which was abandoned already on the "Granite", is full of archaism. The enemy will interfere and the obsolete Vulcano-Basalt aircraft will fly to the radio horizon. There is also no point in talking about S300F without upgrading the complex. In its "pure" form, this is an idea of ​​the 70s at the technical level of that time. SAM "Osa-MA" museum vesch, how the Armenians were torn off with their Wasps in Nagorno-Karabakh everyone knows.
        I just remembered the story: "Admiral Nakhimov" in 1887 "Peer" not even "Moscow" - "Ustinov"! (1987). Already by 1905 it was a hopelessly outdated ship, but survive Tsushima? Has progress slowed down now? I'm looking at a photo of the new destroyer of Project 055 "Nanchang" of the Chinese Navy and I understand that technical progress in shipbuilding is in full swing. And after in 1991 the RSFSR remained on the Black Sea, in addition to the fleet base, dry docks and even without ship turbines, now they are building Project 10 frigates for 22350 kilotons for 5 years.
        1. +9
          28 June 2021 18: 50
          Quote: Bashkirkhan
          These are not degenerate Soviet commies who drank, betrayed and sold the country in 1991.

          These are not even those "fathers of the fatherland" who keep thinking: whether or not to raise taxes for the rich and how it is more convenient to fight corruption so as not to hurt their personal belongings with a sickle.
          1. +7
            29 June 2021 04: 48
            China is now an example of what the USSR would be like now if it were not for the stupid locust in power
            1. 0
              29 June 2021 13: 42
              The USSR, like China, would never - for its current appearance, it owes its current appearance to the Western injections of finance for its development of plants to a cheap energy carrier and a cheap and large labor force, so since the 70s it has become what it is now, and the USSR collapsed thanks to the policies and economics pursued by the Central Committee of the CPSU since the 50s.
      2. +5
        28 June 2021 18: 48
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Which NATO would dare to fight China?

        Who wrote about the war? It was about confrontation.
        The USA and the USSR have globally confronted each other for 45 years, but they did not fight openly.
    2. +16
      28 June 2021 18: 44
      Well, while the backbone 052D - 64 missiles. They bake more vigorously than Hrachat for the Navy wink .



      1. +5
        28 June 2021 18: 55
        Quote: donavi49
        They bake more energetically than Hrachat ...

        25 have already been baked, but that's not enough.
        The US Navy (and without allies) has almost 100 destroyers / cruisers, which, I think, are still technically superior to 52 and 55.
        1. +3
          29 June 2021 08: 35
          052s are rather large frigates than destroyers.
          52C and 52D they already have 31 pieces. almost ready.
          And the 055s are beautiful ships. If they "bake" 30 pcs. there will be a very serious claim for success.
          And nothing is visible that could prevent the Chinese from doing this.
          There will be enough escort for 7-10 AUG.
          Although China is still having trouble with aircraft carriers. hi
          1. +1
            29 June 2021 22: 09
            hi
            Quote: Alex777
            Although China is still having trouble with aircraft carriers.

            For me, everything is more or less with their ships, but with a modern carrier-based fighter really "everything is not easy" ...
        2. 0
          7 July 2021 18: 22
          Quote: Doccor18
          The US Navy (and without allies) has nearly 100 destroyers / cruisers that

          ... which are scattered throughout the world's oceans ...
          1. 0
            8 July 2021 16: 18
            So China, in the future, will have to "scatter" ...
    3. +8
      28 June 2021 19: 03
      For what global confrontation? China, if anything, is extremely economical in terms of spending on military forces and weapons - less than 2 percent of the gross domestic product. Something to contain a potentially-possible "major aggression" (mainly the nuclear missile plan "something") and to protect the borders, but these ships and the fleet in general are most likely, in addition to protecting their coast, to project force and security areas of interest in Southeast Asia.
      PS: And it’s necessary to clarify right away that China has a purely economic zone of interests there. And this zone of interests is being created not by saber rattling and an attempt at military violence, but by the long Chinese yuan and the attractiveness of cooperation with the Chinese economy.
      1. +5
        28 June 2021 19: 17
        Quote: Terran Ghost
        ... also to project power and protect a zone of interest in Southeast Asia.

        And not only Southeast Asia, but also South and Southwest Asia, Africa, Oceania, Latin America ...
        Quote: Terran Ghost
        And this zone of interest is being created not by saber rattling and an attempt at military violence, but by the long Chinese yuan and the attractiveness of cooperation with the economy.

        I agree. But the markets are not endless, they are overloaded, and for each of them there is a tough struggle, more often of course an economic one, but where are the guarantees that it will not reach the hot phase.
        And China's interests in the world are dark. The Chinese squadrons will have to provide security for these interests.
    4. +3
      29 June 2021 04: 19
      Quote: Doccor18
      Just for a global confrontation with the United States and NATO, and 30 such large destroyers will not be enough.

      If you look at the number of destroyers already built, under construction and planned for construction, type. 052D you will be very surprised. And it is these destroyers of the previous type that are now and will be the backbone for a long time (the main type of DM and OZ. They roughly correspond in class to the early Burkes. So by 2015, China will have about 80 destroyers of both classes, no less ...
      Currently in service 17 units. 052D, 2021 such ships were launched in March 25 ... So the potential of China must be considered correctly.
      1. +1
        29 June 2021 08: 43
        So by 2015, China will have about 80 destroyers of both classes.

        request
        I counted 61. By 2035 - 6C, 052 - 25D, 052 - 30.
        052, as far as I know, they stopped building.
        And they are perfectly competently building a large series of 055. hi
        1. +2
          29 June 2021 09: 56
          Quote: Alex777
          So by 2015

          Of course by 2035
          Quote: Alex777
          052, as far as I know, they stopped building

          If the 052D series is not continued, then China will free up a fair amount of stocks for the 055 bookmark, and I'm not sure that 30 pcs. they will be limited. It's just that at the moment there are plans for 30 announced, but this figure is not necessarily final. I extrapolated both types of construction. China has no constraints on finances, production and material resources, and the incipient race for leadership obliges them to build a fleet equivalent to the United States. Moreover, they already have more than sufficient fleet of the near sea zone. So now all the forces are in the oceanic fleet.

          But what impressed me with the 055 was that it had such a short cruising range for such a large ship - only 5000 miles. Apparently, the stake on a power plant with electric propulsion is affected, at which power losses are so great that you have to install 4 gas turbines with a capacity of 35 - 000 l / s (I have met both of these figures, so I'm not sure which one is accurate). At the same time, to achieve a maximum speed of 38 knots, it is quite enough to have 000 GTUs of 30 - 4 l / s each with a classic gearbox. That is, there is an overconsumption of fuel. And if rich China does not care about the cost of such an overexpenditure, then the reduction of the cruising range is nothing but a large supply of fuel. But with a rational type of power plant, it would be possible to have a range of 25 - 000 miles with an equal supply of fuel.
          And in general, lately, the fashion for electric movement produces some unthinkable grimaces of irrationality.
          If we think about building similar ships (the same project of the "Leader" on gas turbines), it would be possible to install a power plant from 4 M-90FR / FRU (27 l / s each), having received a speed of 500 - 30 knots and a range 32 - 8 miles. On such a ship, it would be possible to put a heavy air defense system with sufficient ammunition, and a CD in the UKSK up to 000 pcs. Such ships could become the core of the KUG, providing air defense within a radius of up to 10 km. and a powerful salvo of the CD.
          ... But so far, and with the fate of the already laid frigates 22350, not everything is clear ... the first domestic power plant has not even entered sea trials, so how much it succeeded is not clear.
          But I really want to succeed.
          1. +1
            29 June 2021 10: 39
            But what impressed me with the 055 was in such a short cruising range for such a large ship - only 5000 miles

            The indicators are the same as those of the Berks.

            But with a rational type of power plant, it would be possible to have a range of 8000 - 10 miles with an equal fuel reserve.

            4 identical GTUs have pros and cons, but I don’t know any examples of destroyers with the cruising range you specified at 20 knots (this is important).
            1. 0
              29 June 2021 11: 10
              Quote: Alex777
              4 identical GTUs have pros and cons, but I don’t know any examples of destroyers with the cruising range you specified at 20 knots (this is important).

              If you scratch in cruising on two turbines, then - yes. But you can solve the issue of cruising on one turbine (and what is important - in turn), if the gearbox is with the distribution of torque from each of the cruising on both shafts. In this case, even a speed of the order of 20 knots can turn out, because the power of 27 l / s is enough to maintain such a speed even at 500% power.
              This is me about the hypothetical destroyer "Leader" on gas turbines with a VI of 12 - 000 tons, which is equivalent to 14. And the range in this case may well be 000 miles.
              Quote: Alex777
              The indicators are the same as those of the Berks.

              Well, "Burke" here is not at all an example of rationality and economy (according to the GEM).
              Soviet artillery cruisers of post-war construction had a cruising range of up to 17 miles, although the turbines were steam, oil-fueled, and there were only two of them.
              1. 0
                29 June 2021 11: 25
                Well, "Burke" here is not at all an example of rationality and economy (according to the GEM).

                And it was built to solve certain problems (therefore cruising 20 knots), and not for efficiency.
                1. +1
                  30 June 2021 02: 34
                  I know that they were built to accompany atomic AB as part of the AUG and for fast ocean crossings. In addition, they did not talk about saving.
                  I say that approximately the same indicators can be achieved for a hypothetical gas turbine "Leader" VI 12 - 000 tons when building a power plant on 14 M-000FR / FRU, but with a gearbox that allows one turbine to run economically. And with a speed of 4 knots. For the power of 90 l / s is quite enough for such a speed, even with the development of 20 - 27% of the power.
                  For example and extrapolation - the maximum speed of the cruiser PMV "Rurik-2" was 21 knots with a VI of 17 tons. And this with a steam engine power of 000 l / s.
              2. +3
                29 June 2021 22: 01
                Quote: bayard
                In this case, even a speed of the order of 20 knots may turn out ...

                The speed, both maximum and cruising, in my opinion, should not be less, but rather more, even to the detriment of the range.
                After all, the low-noise speed of the same submarines (nuclear submarines and non-submarines) also grows from generation to generation ...
                It is better to have 5K miles at 22-23 knots than 7-9K miles at 17-18 knots.
                And the Chinese approach this problem also thoroughly. Unlike the Soviet Navy, the PLA Navy pays a lot of attention to the auxiliary fleet, which is being built at the same phenomenal pace. So there will definitely be someone to refuel destroyers in distant seas ...
                1. 0
                  30 June 2021 02: 59
                  Quote: Doccor18
                  Unlike the Soviet Navy, the PLA Navy pays a lot of attention to the auxiliary fleet, which is being built at the same phenomenal pace. So there will definitely be someone to refuel destroyers in distant seas ...

                  Actually, the Soviet Navy had enough tankers and supply ships.
                  And the speed in the Soviet Navy paid a lot of attention. I would even say - quite a lot of attention.
                  But the state of the naval base and repair facilities ... there was not enough attention.
                  Paying attention to the growth of the payroll of the Fleet, the construction of new ships ... A uniform race was arranged so as not to lag behind and to overtake the new ships in service for the year in terms of tonnage. The quality suffered from this and the basic infrastructure and repair facilities did not keep up.
                  And the big mistake was that, instead of being written off or put into reserve, the old ships were kept on the balance sheet of the Fleet, kept crews on them ... These funds (for their maintenance) could be used to repair ships awaiting their turn and to develop a naval base. And the crews could be distributed on new ships ... because there were not enough trained personnel for the new ships ... and the old ones had trained crews without any business or benefit.
                  It's about rationality.
                  The Chinese have learned and continue to learn from our experiences and mistakes. And they manage to avoid many of our previous mistakes.

                  But in the modern Russian Federation ... neither experience is in demand, nor is anyone working on mistakes. And the speed - both marching and maximum, attention is not something that is not paid ... Its value is simply ignored, putting the notorious ... economy at the forefront ...
                  And this is in the country richest in hydrocarbons!
                  Look at the running characteristics of the pr 22350 ... especially the economic speed!
                  On avenue 20380 \ 85, instead of a pair of M-70FRU GTUs (14 l / s), four Kolomna diesel engines of 000 l / s were installed. It is not surprising that their maximum speed does not exceed 6000 - 27 for 28 and 20380 - 25 for 26 ...!
                  I'm not even talking about "newest" (!!!) and "modular" lol 22160 ... which, even when empty and on smooth water, can barely produce 22 knots. angry And it is not surprising that in pursuit of the British destroyer, this "newest" and "modular" lagged behind the first, having developed only 21 nodes.
                  ... What a disgrace !
                  Our patrolmen crawl like turtles ... English sailors laugh at them ... Because some managers have wisely decided that speed is no longer important.
                  So against the background of SUCH a shame, the Soviet Navy looks like a model of power, rationality and order.
                  1. +3
                    30 June 2021 07: 15
                    Quote: bayard
                    So against the backdrop of SUCH a shame, the Soviet Navy looks like a model of power, rationality and order

                    Well, yes, depending on what to compare with ...
                    Quote: bayard
                    Actually, the Soviet Navy had enough tankers and supply ships.

                    I would never agree with you.
                    1 KKS "Berezina", 6 tankers 1559В and 1 semi-civilian tanker "Akhtuba" for the entire Soviet Navy - it's not even funny ...
                    The 15 medium tankers that Finland built for us (from 3700 to 5300 tons) were too small to be used seriously on long voyages.
                    1. +2
                      30 June 2021 14: 33
                      I confess, I got excited about tankers, there is a gap in my knowledge. I just remembered the footage of refueling our ships at sea, so I thought the issue had been resolved.
                      But the Soviet Navy was then young and was growing at a rate similar to the Chinese one now, and many issues were overlooked.
                      But not a question of speed.
                      And in the construction of a modern Russian fleet, it seems that the rate is being placed on the maximum underestimation of speeds, especially cruising speeds.
                      1. +2
                        30 June 2021 14: 37
                        Quote: bayard
                        And in the construction of a modern Russian fleet, it seems that the stake is being placed on the maximum underestimation of speeds, especially the speeds of cruising

                        I agree. But why? Here's the question ...
                      2. +3
                        30 June 2021 16: 48
                        request Sabotage.
                        The desire to make new ships absolutely uncompetitive in terms of speed of maneuver, reaching the line of attack, separation. As a result, enemy ships can easily overtake and accompany our new ships, and ours can neither catch up, nor escort, nor break away. Complete helplessness. This was confirmed by the race for the British destroyer.
                        After 1992, this is a natural outcome of the era of rapprochement, democratization and breakthroughs.
                        Now it only breaks through the sewers - none of the new ships can be called full-fledged according to the power plant.
                      3. +1
                        30 June 2021 17: 03
                        It's sad, but there is nothing to argue with.
                      4. +1
                        1 July 2021 01: 18
                        Quote: bayard
                        none of the new ships can be called full-fledged according to the power plant.
                        what prevents "clone" super-successful power plant "Sharp-witted", until it's too late out of four DK-59s of 18000 hp each ... ?! and this is for a minute 72000 HP capable of pulling at 30-33 knots a ship in VI 5500-6500 tons ... ?! I don `t want ???
                      5. +1
                        1 July 2021 03: 08
                        Greetings to Vladimir. hi
                        Quote: Vl Nemchinov
                        what prevents "cloning" of the super-successful power plant "Sharp-eyed"

                        The lack of desire and passion for projects such as 20386 and 22160 interferes.
                        And also to all "fashionable". As, for example, with the power plant of project 22350, where a diesel engine and a turbine were crossed. As a result, we have a shortage of cruising speed, and the maximum speed does not shine. Although it could be used as a cruise turbine M-75 of 7500 l / s, or four M-70FRU, and would have excellent cruising speed, and the maximum would have grown. But ... "fashion" ... As well as the fashion for electric movement with e-mail. motor to gearbox belay , with a wild loss of power and no gain in noise (as in the power plant for 20386).
                        And all this wave of desperate foolishness can no longer be explained by chance and by the work of lobbyists. Here is direct sabotage with the complete connivance of the authorities ...
                        There is hope that the power plant for the 22350M will still be successful ... if it ever becomes. For instead of speeding up work on this promising project, the dreamers from the USC again have some fantastic projects. And a stubborn desire to build the 20386 series. angry
                        Although the Fleet, represented by the High Command, has abandoned it, sees in it, at best, an experimental ship, in a single copy and someday ... And plans for the upcoming construction of 12 to 18 superfrigates 22350M have been announced ...
                        But USC wants to build the 20386 series, to continue the construction of a new series, amazing in its worthlessness, project 22160 ... nuclear aircraft carriers are dreaming again ... Okay, they have been silent about the atomic monster "Leader" lately.
                        On the face of a desperate desire to build anything, but so that the most useless and flawed. And under any pretext to sabotage the construction of ships that are really needed for the Navy.
                        And the turbines available today: M-75, M-70FRU, M-90FR, are enough to build ships of all necessary classes on them. Only gearboxes and WILL are needed.
                        ... But there is not even a DESIRE.
              3. +1
                10 September 2021 21: 32
                I remembered how, at the gathering of the campaign, the commanders of the ships decided to play around, such as who is faster. So RKR Admiral Golovko, being the most ancient, tore everyone up. And he, if I am not mistaken, had steam turbines.
                1. +1
                  10 September 2021 22: 06
                  Steam turbines of that period (and also boilers) were brought to the highest perfection.
                  And steam turbines keep the speed better.
                  Yes, and ships were designed at that time at maximum speeds - the shame of the Russo-Japanese War was memorable and instructive.
                  ... I remembered the misunderstanding ... even of Admiral Kuznetsov's project of the Soviet battle cruiser, which was then built according to the terms of reference of Stalin (he himself composed it, ruled and supervised the work):
                  - four turbines with a total capacity of 280 l / s!
                  - speed 35 - 37 knots,
                  - GK 12 "with a 62-caliber long range and a prohibitive range ... with the possibility of firing nuclear warheads,
                  - the highest autonomy and seaworthiness ... and VI like interwar battleships ...
                  The chief designer to Kuznetsov's question - "for what tasks this ship is being built", answered:
                  - Comrade Stalin sees the task of this ship, due to the advantage in speed, to keep the enemy at an inaccessible battle distance ...
                  Kuznetsov did not understand Stalin's idea that on the basis of the hulls and power plants of these cruisers, the base for future Soviet aircraft carriers, for which deck attack aircraft were already being developed, was being developed at that time, very interesting architecture and catapults ... Stalin built a shipbuilding policy based on the principle of gradual development and gaining competencies. And the cruisers were supposed to accompany these aircraft carriers in the future. Taking into account that then there were no high-quality delivery vehicles for nuclear warheads in the form of CD, a nuclear artillery shell at a distance of 60 km. was quite a successful means of defeat.
                  The ultimate remedy at that distance.
                  And target designation and reconnaissance would be provided by carrier-based aircraft ...
                  And Kuznetsov, with all this, saw only ... a battle cruiser with redundant characteristics ...
                  And he fulfilled Khrushchev's task ... Although he himself dreamed of aircraft carriers ...

                  And as for the maximum speeds ... in the post-war period, with the development of deck, naval and long-range aviation, it was decided that a speed of 30 knots was quite enough. After all, for each node after 30, you had to pay by almost doubling the power of the power plant ... Here are the old cruisers and "beat" the young in the races.
                  And today it is so that among the ships built in the post-Soviet period, successful in all respects among them, I do not see. request
                  The 22350 is good at everything except speed. Moreover, both in the march, and in the maximum, he has a monstrous shortage. Hope only for the coming (?) 22350M.
                  hi
          2. +1
            1 July 2021 01: 07
            Quote: bayard
            ... GTU with a capacity of 35 - 000 l / s ...
            hello dear Vitaly hi ... Not everything printed can be trusted ... and in VO too ... wink ...
            so for your reference ...
            .. gas turbine engines QC-280 ...
            the same "clone according to those documentation DA-91" (Nikolaevsky "Zorya-Mashproekt"), like our M 90-FR, with a capacity of 27500 hp. (and not as not in 38000 ... lol ) .... This is essentially the same engine in a different licensed version .. hi
            1. 0
              1 July 2021 03: 19
              Quote: Vl Nemchinov
              ... Not everything printed can be trusted ... and in VO too ...

              But in other sources I also came across a figure of 35 l / s ... maybe the Chinese propaganda is trying so hard - overestimating the characteristics, or someone has incorrectly counted the kilowatts in l / s ... They (the Chinese) seem to be the same turbines and put on their aircraft carriers - a whole garland.
              However, I also came across the fact that both these turbines (ours and the Chinese) are brothers from the same mother.
              And about the reliability of the data on VO lol Here yesterday the range for the Sunflower over-the-horizon radar was called "decimeter" ... request - Journalists, their mother is the Unified State Exam.
      2. -1
        29 June 2021 21: 49
        Quote: bayard
        ... you will be very surprised. And it is these destroyers of the previous type that are now and will be the backbone for a long time (the main type of DM and OZ

        You shouldn't be surprised ...
        Such a rapid construction of the "sea wall of China" will surprise anyone.
        And China, which is preparing for a global military confrontation with the "Western world", will not stop at 16 or 30 055 destroyers, because 052D, with all due respect to this series, is still qualitatively inferior to American, Japanese and Korean destroyers, despite the fact that the enemies have more than a hundred of these pennants, and that they will act as one front against the PRC is not news to anyone. Let's add here a quality update, soon, for the fleets of Australia, Canada and the rebellious island ...
        So the 52nd project is no longer able to play the role of a "ridge". I think that the Chinese are well aware of this, so the 055 series will be simply phenomenal, it is even possible that it will surpass the Berk series ...
        1. +3
          30 June 2021 03: 08
          Quote: Doccor18
          So the 52nd project is no longer able to play the role of a "ridge".

          But at the moment he is in fact. In a couple of years, there will be 25 of them in the ranks, and until the number of 055 is sufficient, it is this project that will be the workhorses of the PRC fleet and carry on itself most of the services - that is, be the very ridge.
          ... its transitional model.
          If China is given another 10-15 years of sustainable development, then not only in terms of the economy, but also in military terms, incl. in the naval, he will become the leader.
          But the fact of the matter is that no one wants to give him these years of quiet development.
          The race for leadership has begun.
          And the Russian Federation certainly does not participate in it.
        2. -1
          1 July 2021 01: 23
          Quote: Doccor18
          .... because the 052D, with all due respect to this series, is still qualitatively inferior to the American, Japanese, and Korean destroyers, despite the fact that the adversaries have more than a hundred of these pennants, and that they will act as one front against the PRC, it is not for whom it is not news.
          I agree - this is nonsense! In the modern world, NO ONE WILL SPEAK FOR ANYONE just like that ... !!!
          Quote: Doccor18
          Let's add here a quality update, soon, of the fleets of Australia, Canada and the rebellious island ..
          and Australia and Canada - even more so !!! There ... - "my hut is on the edge" !!! ..
    5. 0
      29 June 2021 08: 12
      Just for a global confrontation with the United States and NATO, and 30 such large destroyers will not be enough.

      How many of these ships do you think China needs?
      1. 0
        29 June 2021 21: 33
        Quote: Alex777
        Just for a global confrontation with the United States and NATO, and 30 such large destroyers will not be enough.

        How many of these ships do you think China needs?

        China will need 9 to 15 aircraft carriers to have 3-5 AUG at sea. This means that 55s need at least 36, or up to 60 pennants (4 per AUG). And this is only if they are used as the basis for the escort of aircraft carriers. If you also form the KUG from them, then you will need another 20-30 units. In total, 55 pennants are needed up to 70-80 pennants. This number is optimal for an equivalent confrontation with the main enemy's naval forces.
        You can use 25 destroyers 052D in an escort, but, in my opinion, the PLA Navy will need them anyway, as an ICG in less significant areas, and they are not enough for an escort. If 055 is enough and 4, then 052 will need at least 6, or even up to 8 ...
        1. +1
          30 June 2021 03: 11
          China will need 9 to 15 aircraft carriers

          At 9, they will assemble an escort with the already announced number of destroyers (3x055 + 3x052). Plus they have a sea of ​​frigates.
          And they will not need more AUG. IMHO.
          States barely pull 10.
          China does not have a task to control the whole world, and Russia will pull off part of the forces of the West in any way.
          But with the correct aircraft carriers from the PRC, it is still clear.
          And they did not make a fighter, and there was talk about deck steel - they did not have the necessary alloy.
          And organizationally, this is all very difficult. Experience has to be accumulated for a long time. hi
          1. 0
            30 June 2021 08: 20
            Quote: Alex777
            At 9 they will collect an escort with the already announced number (3x055 + 3x052)

            All ships are escorted to aircraft carriers ..? Doubtful idea.
            Quote: Alex777
            Plus they have a sea of ​​frigates.

            There are frigates, 32 pennants 054, but they will have so much work that it will definitely not be up to AUG ...

            Quote: Alex777
            And they will not need more AUG.

            Quote: Alex777
            China has no task to control the whole world ...

            China needs control over markets, and control over markets is control over the world ... And the battle for resources is only growing.
            1. +1
              30 June 2021 08: 31
              China needs control over markets, and control over markets is control over the world ...

              So far, China has only 5 AUG in its policy documents.
              And how the chip lies further - it will be seen. hi
              1. 0
                30 June 2021 08: 50
                hi Good morning.
                Quote: Alex777
                And how the chip lies further - it will be seen.

                This is yes.
                1. +1
                  30 June 2021 08: 52
                  Good morning! drinks
    6. -1
      1 July 2021 00: 51
      Quote: Doccor18
      Just for a global confrontation with the United States and NATO, and 30 such large destroyers will not be enough.
      And how many fr. 22350 will be at the same time ?! and this number of them (22350) will be enough ?! and for what ?!! for parity with China or Japan in the Far East ...? !!!
  2. +18
    28 June 2021 18: 25
    Especially inserts against the background of the domestic pace of ship construction .. When even every corvette is like an object of pride and a significant event .. And then the Communist Party bakes such as pies .. That's what it means when the government really works for its country, and not for bottomless pockets thieves in Londiniums ..
    1. +7
      28 June 2021 18: 33
      Quote: paul3390
      Especially it inserts against the background of the domestic pace of ship construction ..

      Tooting. Some kind of black envy and at the same time nostalgia for the Soviet past, in which everything was built, launched, went off the stocks ... Today, they also showed a Chinese rover, which, together with the American one, ply the surface of Mars and send greetings to Rogozin.
      Another time you think, why do we need this kleptocracy, which even steal quietly, "without noise and dust" has not learned.
      And China is planning and building. He sneezed at everyone and everything. The Party has set tasks and the Chinese people are fulfilling them. And state sovereignty is in place ...
    2. -7
      28 June 2021 18: 56
      Especially inserts against the background of the domestic pace of ship construction
      You will compare the budgets and the population. And then, after the calculations, remember when China experienced the collapse of the country the last time.
      1. +20
        28 June 2021 19: 04
        Uh-huh .. Only 30 years ago we were one of the two superpowers, and the Chinese sewed slippers by hand for export .. Catastrophic regression and rapid progress are more than obvious. As well as their reasons.
        1. -3
          28 June 2021 19: 14
          Yeah, that's just there is a difference when the whole world pours loot into you, or when your country is plundered by your own citizens, each to the best of his / her strength and capabilities. This time. And secondly, the collapse of the country is ALWAYS a regression, and the collapse of the country with the participation of third forces is a regression with plunder.
          And no one is more to blame for the collapse of the USSR than the people who allowed it.
          1. +6
            28 June 2021 20: 10
            And in Russia, corvettes are molded, with a displacement as small as possible, such as so that instead of one destroyer there are two corvettes, and the best three ... And so that the corvettes have a "beloved wife" called "caliber". Figs with him that a Russian corvette with an incomprehensible CIUS and detection systems and with an almost complete absence of means of defense against attack has zero combat stability, but they can be built of a larger type and low-power engines can be put in them ... paper, there are so many types of "combat units"! true with almost zero stability, but there are a lot of them! Yeah.
            1. -5
              29 June 2021 13: 49
              In modern ships, with the advent of hypersonic anti-ship missiles, all stability has essentially been reduced to zero, and it does not matter if it is a corvette or a destroyer, a semi-cruiser - one hit and the whole ship cannot be restored - and since there is no difference, why pay more for construction and maintenance?
            2. 0
              30 June 2021 08: 40
              So China also builds "corvettes". They riveted their 056 type in the amount of 10 pieces a year and issued a series of 8 pieces in 72 years. And we have 4 pieces at the Pacific Fleet and even 4 more promise! Powerful! All this is sad.
              1. -1
                30 June 2021 14: 24
                We build ships according to our capabilities and means.
          2. +2
            28 June 2021 21: 42
            Quote: Mitroha
            And no one is more to blame for the collapse of the USSR than the people who allowed it.

            A people is a herd in fact, ruled by more active individuals who have seized power due to their activity, connections, and chance. If a different secretary general had been at the helm, not Gorbachov, maybe everything would have been different. But Gorbachev is a natural product of a system that turned out to be untenable. In fact, the Russian Empire was not lucky with Nicholas II, although, in fact, the reasons are deeper and began earlier.
            1. -3
              28 June 2021 23: 52
              Nikolashka was supposed to become a "wedding general", like monks in Britain, immediately after the defeat in the Russo-Japanese war.
              The country for 15-20 years was supposed to be led by Prime Minister Stolypin, who would not have involved Russia in the First World War and would have cleansed the country of revolutionary terrorists ...
        2. 0
          29 June 2021 15: 44
          20 years ago in the Russian Federation there was an economic collapse and default, and they learned how to make slippers for themselves, probably 10 years ago. So only slippers are 20 years behind)))
      2. -1
        28 June 2021 23: 04
        Quote: Mitroha
        remind when China experienced the collapse of the country the last time.

        China's history is all about ups and downs ...
        perhaps in the world there is no such ancient state, which so often experienced prosperity and backwardness.
        During World War II, they lost the most, and they have been leading it since 2 ... 1931 million victims.
        Then only the allies saved this China.
        And now it is flourishing again. Another.
      3. +4
        29 June 2021 12: 02
        Quote: Mitroha
        And then, after the calculations, remember when China experienced the collapse of the country the last time.

        China once again gathered into a single state only in the early 50s of the last century. And before that - decades of civil war, the era of the warlords, plus the Japanese intervention.
        1. 0
          29 June 2021 13: 07
          I know that this is not the question, but that we lost the country and all production 30 years ago. How can you compare China and Russia at this point in time? You have to be inadequate to reproach us now that we produce less China
      4. 0
        1 July 2021 01: 33
        Quote: Mitroha
        You will compare the budgets and the population.
        Well, in terms of population, it seems even 30 years ago, the USSR and China cannot be equated ... but the release of such high-tech products such as ships for the Navy or aircraft for civil (and even more so) military aviation was more in the USSR ... ? !! or am I wrong about thirty years ago ... ?! winked wink I don't remember how it was then versus budgets ... But by population, - fact already !!! China had the advantage. lol smile
  3. 0
    28 June 2021 18: 33
    Type 055 is a surface ship approx. 180 m, maximum width approx. 20 m and a draft of more than 6 m. Normal displacement - 11 thousand tons, full - 13 thousand tons.

    the ship develops a speed of up to 30 knots. Economic speed - 20 knots. The cruising range reaches 5 thousand nautical miles.

    Karl, what a "destroyer"! ?? request
    The dimensions of a standard 30s HEAVY CRUISER last century!!! And we have a destroyer ...
    Another cleverly crafted ship with the dimensions of the WWII-era AIR CARRIER (19500t./27000t., 248 m in length) is called the ESMINTSEM. It's good that the helicopter carrier is also being added. But the key word is destroyer.
    Kapets, Karl ... How is that ?? !! fool
    1. +10
      28 June 2021 18: 48
      Because according to Western classification, this is a destroyer - a destroyer. It is quite consistent.

      The destroyer leader, by the way, was also called a destroyer, and it is even bigger, up to the atomic heart.
    2. +1
      29 June 2021 06: 35
      You are not surprised that the Su-35 is listed as a fighter, and is equal in size to the B-17 heavy bomber of the 8s. If now frigates are under 000 tons, then 055 just corresponds to a destroyer. The Japanese and Koreans are not much inferior, and Ticonderoga is essentially a destroyer. The Chinese also has a question with the cruising range, if on an economical one, then it's about nothing.
    3. +1
      29 June 2021 12: 04
      Quote: Rurikovich
      The dimensions of a standard 30s HEAVY CRUISER last century!!! And we have a destroyer ...

      Do you remember - where did the "destroyers" start? That's right - with a displacement of 300 tons. So everything flows, everything changes - including the displacement boundaries of the ship classes.
      By the way, the same "Tika" was also a "destroyer" at first.
  4. +6
    28 June 2021 18: 56
    It remains only for the good to envy the Chinese comrades - sailors ... (
  5. +2
    28 June 2021 19: 04
    Yes, it's just sad if we compare our sawing attempts and the Chinese systematic development of a truly ocean-going fleet ((((
    1. -4
      29 June 2021 13: 53
      Russia does not have the means to maintain such fleets of large warships, so we are content with corvettes and frigates.
      1. 0
        29 June 2021 15: 48
        These are your fantasies
        1. 0
          30 June 2021 14: 27
          Unfortunately, no - the economic fact of maintaining a fleet, or rather five fleets, now costs 1.5 trillion rubles a year.
  6. -17
    28 June 2021 19: 33
    ..I'm looking again at riveters !!! ... China is building a fleet of freshly launched, formidable and most importantly LARGE ... and this is a fact (which are a TIGHT THING) ... so what ... then there was an opinion that 1000 ships are the FLEET !! ?? ... alas, this is still a bunch of ships ... and the Fleet is, first of all, TRADITIONS !!! (and let it be Trafalgar for the Britons, Tsushima and Pearl Harbor for the Yapov, and Gangut, Sinom and .. alas, the same Tsushima, but they ARE !!!) but what is China's fleet famous for ??? yes, and was he (eats-t-t-but in real life and not on the screens of blockbusters about the flexing Great Warriors of the Qi Empire and other Shaolin) ... and if someone has an opinion that the FLEET can be created by the Big Leap method, then remember the saying about 9 pregnant mothers, alas, who are not able to give birth to a baby in a month ... well, let them .. invest and spend .. and let them themselves believe in their NEW GREAT FLEET (or even better, let them remember about Japan and try to repeat that old story with kamikaze winds is already more successful) .. I can't be a Prophet (and who can ???) but the coolie mentality cannot be changed even by dressing him in samurai armor ... the soul will remain from the sparrow ... and yes, China has its own elite of the fleet, and perhaps even (I judge from their video rental) she is oh-oh ... but the Special Forces does not win the war ... it is won by men (well, if you have to throw women into battle, then this is generally of course the edge ..) but is it possible for China to stand to the death like our guys at Stalingrad and Brest .. well, or sit behind the RUS Zero in the last attack of Kamikaze .. at me nya here are doubts ... (and considering how little WetKong piled on them in the distant 70s, these doubts are not unfounded ... no ???
    1. +7
      28 June 2021 22: 30
      Quote: WapentakeLokki
      Jump, then remember the saying about 9 pregnant mothers, alas, who are not able to give birth to a baby in a month ... well, let them .. invest and spend .. and let them believe in their NEW GREAT FLEET

      The fleet is not pregnant moms. Don't confuse warm and soft.
    2. +4
      28 June 2021 23: 21
      Quote: WapentakeLokki
      but what is China's fleet famous for?

      well, antiquity for example
      from 486 BC e. during the Chun-Qiu period ("Spring and Autumn"), we find mentions of warships.
      Large fleets were used by the rulers of the Han Dynasty (202 BC - 220 AD). The expedition to Korea in 108 BC was especially large. e. Details of the combat use of ships during the period of the Three Kingdoms (221-265) are known. This was the heyday of the Chinese war romance, written sources tell us about double-hulled ships that attacked small boats, on the bow of which there was a ram bound with iron.
      the battle of 1279 in the Guangdong region and others
      In that wild triangle of Japan / Korea / China and other cheerful neighbors (such as the Mongols and Khmers), river and sea battles were constantly fought. With varied success.
      Zheng He, for example, and his campaigns.
      Your "Tsushima"
      Battle for weihaiwei
      Battle of Yalu.
      We just don't know much about this "triangle" ... And there, as in Europe, there were always floats and battles. Marine and land.
      Do not think that they have no sea or some kind of tradition .. They have everything!
    3. +5
      29 June 2021 12: 07
      Quote: WapentakeLokki
      Someone had the opinion that 1000 ships are the FLEET !! ?? ... alas, this is still a bunch of ships ... and the Fleet is, first of all, TRADITIONS !!!

      * Looks pensively at the centuries-old traditions and great battles of the American fleet before WWII. smile
    4. +3
      29 June 2021 15: 01
      Oh, these nodding-sewing troops))) that's where traditions are so traditions.
  7. -2
    28 June 2021 20: 00
    When up to 40% of the seen funds are not recovered, then one fables are built.
    1. 0
      29 June 2021 13: 10
      For the honest truth from some sort of uryakat or possibly moego "fan" got a minus.
  8. +2
    28 June 2021 20: 27
    To paraphrase thiel ulenspiegel
    The ashes of Taiwan are beating in the heart of China.
    1. -1
      28 June 2021 23: 23
      Quote: Kars
      The ashes of Taiwan are beating in the heart of China.

      Well, this is the clearest example when, during the disintegration period, they lost the Formosa, and now, in the heyday, they want to return everything.
  9. +5
    28 June 2021 21: 10
    In the Chinese destroyers, promising developments of our Northern Design Bureau are guessed. But alas, we did not succeed.
  10. +6
    28 June 2021 22: 29
    Destroyer of a healthy person. And here is my dream project based on modern technologies wassat : Eight UVP modules, that is, 64 full-size cells, 128 in total, in the front and in the middle of the case. 130mm cannon on the nose. 3 pieces of ZRAK (Anti-aircraft missile and artillery system) of the "Broadsword" type, one in front of the bow superstructure and two at the stern along the sides of the hangar. Hangar for 2 helicopters, one PLO, another control center. Sodkilny GAK and towed. And two or four (one or two per board) 4-pipe TA apparatus with a caliber of 300-400mm. And maybe all 533mm))) That would be chic))) Well, Frigates with Uranium anti-ship missiles and good air defense and anti-aircraft defense.
    1. +6
      29 June 2021 07: 59
      So we did find the author of this model from the salon!



      1. -3
        29 June 2021 13: 58
        This model will be laid in the hardware in 2024.
  11. +7
    29 June 2021 00: 23
    But Russia is picking its nose and reassures itself that it does not need such ships because it is a land power!
  12. +1
    29 June 2021 01: 26
    Quote: Usher
    Destroyer of a healthy person. And here is my dream project based on modern technologies: Eight UVP modules, that is, 64 full-size cells, 128 in total, in the front and in the middle of the case. 130mm cannon on the nose. 3 pieces of ZRAK (Anti-aircraft missile and artillery system) of the "Broadsword" type, one in front of the bow superstructure and two at the stern along the sides of the hangar. Hangar for 2 helicopters, one PLO, another control center. The underdog and towed. And two or four (one or two per board) 4-pipe TA apparatus with a caliber of 300-400mm. And maybe all 533mm))) That would be chic))) Well, Frigates with Uranium anti-ship missiles and good air defense and anti-aircraft defense.

    I must say that the ship is also beautiful. And in fact the largest in the class. Z-envy (
  13. -3
    29 June 2021 03: 32
    To a large ship - a large torpedo.
  14. -3
    29 June 2021 03: 41
    Well, the Russian Navy also has corvettes with "characteristics" of destroyers ..., for example, in terms of armament! wink
    1. +2
      29 June 2021 08: 06
      Yes Easy. This destroyer, for example, has a GK - YJ-18 (aka-Caliber) + HHQ-9 (aka-heavily modernized S-300F + PMU2). Corvette 20385 has UKSK-8 under Caliber and 2x8 under Redoubt. So it is quite with the characteristics of the destroyer.


      True, he is number one in the navy. And again, you need 1 corvettes to finish off one destroyer in terms of shock and missile capabilities. Well, and the main thing is not to deliver an expensive heavy radar. What is on the corvette - a whole series of articles can be found on the site.
    2. 0
      1 July 2021 01: 48
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      Well, the Russian Navy also has corvettes with "characteristics" of destroyers ..., for example, in terms of armament
      where ?! What kind ?! When? !! ....
      1. -1
        1 July 2021 04: 05
        Quote: Vl Nemchinov
        where ?! What kind ?! When ?!

        Well, if you are interested, then read on the Internet an analytical "material" about the composition of modern navies ...! Well, at least this: https: //armij.mirtesen.ru/blog/43697156556/Klassifikatsiyu-korabelnogo-sostava-VMF-nado-menyat!
        The article says that the classification of the ship composition, adopted in the 30-40s, is currently "bursting at the seams"! Increasingly, the distinctions between ships classified in the last century and classified in the 21st century seem to be erased ... The Chinese "example" is not the only one ...
        Project 20380 corvette: This is a truly multipurpose ship, identical in armament to frigate 22350, but with fewer missiles. It has a UVP for eight cells for the Onyx medium-range anti-ship missiles and the Caliber missile launcher, the Uran missile launcher for eight short-range anti-ship missiles, 12 cells for the Redut air defense missile system, including medium and short-range missiles, and the Kortik air defense missile system for self-defense and two four-tube 330 mm torpedo tubes for anti-submarine torpedoes, as well as a deck hangar for the Ka-27 helicopter.

        All this is placed in a displacement of 2200 tons. In fact, this is a half-scaled version of frigate 22350. Somehow, the class of "corvettes" does not fit with a huge combat power for such a modest displacement. And just as badly the frigate is associated with the project 22350 ship, which has strategic-range missiles and air defense systems with a firing range of up to 150-400 km
  15. 0
    29 June 2021 07: 06
    The lead "Type 055" and one of the destroyers "Type 052D". Photo 81.cn
    Actually, there is a 056 corvette in the background.
  16. +2
    29 June 2021 09: 36
    Poor Japan ... I can imagine how they live and shake, next to China. Retribution is near ...)
  17. 0
    29 June 2021 10: 44
    The news reported that Erdogan inaugurated the start of the construction of the canal bypassing Borfor. I think that we still have 10-15 years to strengthen the defense lines of the Black Sea Fleet.
  18. 0
    29 June 2021 18: 04
    Experts, explain. Why is "Nanchang" so sharp-nosed? To dissect a high wave or for dyeing?
    1. 0
      29 June 2021 22: 18
      Quote: Monar
      Experts, explain. Why is "Nanchang" so sharp-nosed? To dissect a high wave or for dyeing?

      Yes, this is the so-called "Atlantic nose" or clipper nose.
  19. 0
    2 July 2021 15: 44
    >> In the foreign press "Type 055" is often compared with American missile cruisers of the Ticonderoga type - they are several meters shorter and have a displacement of less than 10 thousand tons.

    The American Burke-class destroyer IIA subtype has approximately the same displacement as the Ticonderoga. All their performance characteristics are so close that they do not allow them to be attributed to different classes of ships. If we face it, the Ticonderoga was classified as a cruiser simply because it was the world's first all-purpose rocket ship, and in the early 1980s it was incredibly cool. At the present time, this is an ordinary universal destroyer.

    055 is, of course, larger than Ticonderoga, but smaller. than the destroyer Zumwalt. The only thing that sets it apart from the class of destroyers (in the Western sense of the term) are supersonic anti-ship missiles.
  20. 0
    4 July 2021 12: 38
    The US and Japanese fleets are also building a lot. So 30 pcs. will most likely have to build. The ship is, of course, impressive. Well, we need to make Superpots, at least a piece. 10 - 12.
  21. 0
    14 August 2021 16: 02
    Good article, everything is sorted out with sense and sense. I see only a couple of drawbacks - there is no direct comparison with similar ships of the Russian Federation and NATO, well, it is not exactly described why they are being built at all.
    And they are being built - primarily to accompany future aircraft carriers (and just about 6 are planned - as well as aircraft carriers), because those "modern" frigates that China is building (type 054) are simply not able to suppress escort ships of a potential enemy (those of the United States ) in view of the weak shock missile unit with YJ-83 missiles in a quantity of 8 pcs. On the destroyer, newer missiles are also used (the same YJ-100), and the number is many times more - about 112 different missiles daikh boh memory)
    And the witnesses "everything is bad in Russia" so I would like to remind you that one of our 11356Р series frigates can carry 8 Caliber or, in the foreseeable future, a Zircon rocket in general, which in modern realities makes it much more effective than this Chinese destroyer (with frigates it makes no sense at all compare).
  22. 0
    10 September 2021 17: 33
    So he is a cruiser, in size and displacement. "Zumwalt" is even larger and also a destroyer))) now these concepts have been greatly erased.
  23. 0
    10 September 2021 20: 56
    Good article!
    It's not a pity about our ships.