F-35: complete disappointment or should we wait?

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Something went wrong. Obviously not, because even the foreign press started talking about the fact that the F-35 "is not a cake".

In general, around this plane there are a lot of opinions of all kinds of "experts" who are trying to convey their opinion to readers and viewers.



We will not touch our Chinese colleagues, who recently quite categorically compared the F-35 and Su-57. They did not sit at the controls of either the American plane or the Russian one. So - fortune telling on the coffee grounds, nothing more.

But what Andrew Cockburn wrote in the British magazine The Spectator is noteworthy. The British, after all, and in the Royal Air Force the F-35 is not only in service, it is the F-35B that is counted on when equipping aircraft-carrying troughs of the Queen Elizabeth type.

So what angered the low-key Briton?

Andrew was outraged by the communique of the last NATO summit. In general, there is nothing new there, the Russian threat, which is constantly growing and therefore requires constant attention from NATO members, and China, which seems to be not openly threatening yet, but its growing power also raises concerns.

In general, there are enemies all around. A familiar topic, isn't it?

More joyfully (not for everyone, though) was the information that 24 members of the bloc spend more than 20% of their defense budgets on heavy weapons. And the hope was expressed that others would soon join this cheerful company.

But we are interested in the main seven European participants who purchase so-called heavy weapons. Interestingly, this weapon most often turns out to be ... yes, the F-35.

When I said a little higher that news not pleasant for everyone, I meant that everything is gorgeous for Lockheed Martin Aeronautics and they rub their hands in anticipation of profit. The same cannot be said about clients.

It's generally interesting story begins to unfold.


The UK, Italy, Norway, Belgium, the Netherlands, Poland and Denmark have ordered a total of 297 F-35 aircraft for a total of $ 35,4 billion. And this is only a fraction of the amount, because the planes will require maintenance, which will also cost more than one billion as long as these F-35s fly.

The F-35 cannot be called an aircraft that is all right. Yes, the plane is not without flaws, but not as outright a nightmare as its predecessor, the F-22. Still, Lightning 2 is more acceptable weaponthan the Raptor. There are, of course, many shortcomings, everyone speaks about it openly and nobody makes secrets out of it.

Another question is that flaws are normal for an aircraft under development. But for an aircraft that has already begun to be exported, it looks strange.

The F-35's well-known list of shortcomings and imperfections is impressive. And, of course, it is surprising that the Europeans rushed to conclude supply contracts.

Andrew Cockburn is outraged by the numbers of contracts that have been concluded by countries, including the UK. He believes that the acquisition of the F-35 will weaken the defenses of the countries, since the planes will burn the budgets of the defense ministries in their chambers as easily as kerosene.

Yes, there are interesting nuances. Why, for example, Denmark has as many as 27 Lightnings. Who is Denmark going to fight with? With Russia or China? Okay, Russia looks preferable. Nearer. But even into the territory of Russia, the F-35 is not able to fly without refueling in the air or using additional fuel tanks.


But the extra tanks will eat up 2 of the 6 external suspension points. The question arises: with what set of weapons will the Danish F-35 fly to conquer Russia?

Of course, it is possible that it will be necessary to repel the attack of Russian planes that will fly into Danish airspace. The question "why?" remains open.

Meanwhile, 27 units of the F-35 will cost the Danish budget "only" $ 13 billion in lifetime operating costs. This, if anything, is almost three annual military budgets of the country.

It is clear that of the 45 F-16 aircraft that make up the backbone of the Danish Air Force, 18 should have been written off back in 2012, and the rest just by 2020. The aircraft are not new, to put it mildly. But changing the F-16 to the F-35 in such quantities is like taking a Ferrari on credit after the VAZ-2112. You can ride, but it hurts expensive. Although it is significant.

But the Danes could easily get by with something cheaper. "Gripenes", "Rafali", "Tornado" ... There is a choice ...

The Italians were even less fortunate. Why did they order 90 Lightnings? In Italy, no one, most likely, will be able to answer this question. And the crisis was blowing, and as a result there was not enough money, Lockheed Martin suspends deliveries, because Italy owes 600 million dollars for the planes already sent.

And Cockburn's compatriots flew in full. Having received the first batch of F-35A for the RAF, the British built their entire naval program around the F-35B. And then everything began at once: the crisis, and the problems with the F-35B, and a hundred misfortunes at the same time.


As a result, the deck of the first Royal aircraft carrier fleetQueen Elizabeth is still empty. And in the eastern seas, to demonstrate to the Chinese its power, the aircraft carrier went with aircraft leased from the US Marine Corps. It's good that they borrowed, and that bread ...

The program is delayed, time is running out, the Russian threat is growing ... And then the Chinese one is on its way, apparently.

Of all NATO, only the Turks very gracefully "jumped off" by purchasing the Russian S-400 air defense systems. As a result, they stayed with both the air defense system and their F-15s. Although there were thoughts about purchasing the F-35. But I was lucky, I guess.

Even a British journalist is surprised at this policy of European governments. Cockburn calls it a lemming-style resignation, jumping one by one into the abyss. Into the financial abyss of dependence on Americans. And with might and main criticizes the appallingly bad F-35, fit only to destroy the budget.

However, Cockburn for some reason does not say a word about those F-35s that were acquired by Israel. For some reason, Israeli aircraft regularly carry out combat missions to combat the enemies of the state.


The pragmatic Israelis first purchased 9 aircraft. Then another 6. The total number of F-35s that will serve in the Israeli Air Force is 50 aircraft. And scandals are not raging around the Israeli F-35s. Airplanes fly, bomb, launch rockets. No loss so far. Strange, isn't it?

Yes, let's not sin against the truth, the F-35A of Israel is not really an F-35A. It is equipped with Israeli "stuffing" in terms of avionics and combat systems. According to some reports, the aircraft will be equipped with the C4 system with an open architecture, Israeli Command, Control, Communications and Computing. The radar sights and avionics will be Israeli. Israeli companies Elbit and Israel Aerospace Industries have developed protective systems for the aircraft. Well, their missiles and bombs.

But these innovations do not affect flight characteristics. And such aircraft should be supplied to the Israeli Air Force from 2020.

Yes, most likely, Israel will receive its F-35s in part through the Camp David Agreement. But here, excuse me, in this world everyone settles down to the best of their ability.

What turns out, the aircraft is quite suitable for Israel for military operations, but somehow not quite for the European states?

The key word is "fighting". Israel is at war, and there are always goals and missions for its aircraft. European countries are not fighting. Except for entertainment with ISIS (banned in the Russian Federation) in Syria, there is nothing else to do.

There seems to be a clue here. Israel took planes to fight. And if "finalized with a hammer and a file," then the F-35 quite copes with the tasks assigned to it. At least in the Israeli press there is no shouting or groaning about the Lightning to be sent to a landfill.

Why did the Europeans order the F-35 in such quantities? In order to reduce the cost of the aircraft in the series, as one of the options. Well, or for a war with Russia. The war with Russia is such a thing that may never start. And the planes have already been purchased ...


In general, the burden of an ally is not always light and pleasant. It is clear that sooner or later, Lockheed Martin will bring the F-35 to mind. This plane is not as hopeless as the F-22. Until that moment, the military of European countries will have to bear the burden of the costs of maintaining not quite suitable for combat and very expensive aircraft.

Well, everyone has their own difficulties in this world, Mr. Cockburn ...
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  1. +2
    25 June 2021 04: 44
    You can rejoice for the "partners", but the Jews only bomb Syria on it without entering the airspace, so other drones are used for such purposes, in short, Lockheed Martin successfully copes with a commercial task.
    1. +2
      25 June 2021 05: 05
      Quote: Pessimist22
      Lockheed Martin is doing business well.

      By vtyuhivanie your products!
      1. -5
        25 June 2021 05: 44
        He especially "pushed" Erdogan, who will never accept the fact that he was thrown out of the program, and begs everything to return Turkey there.
      2. +1
        25 June 2021 08: 39
        there was no vtyuhivaniya - 7-10 years ago I read: "The requirements of the ILC about VTOL aircraft led to an unacceptable compromise."
        and the vertical takeoff no longer rolls (SPEEDS AND DISTANCES HAVE GROWN VERY FAST FOR EVERYONE IN THE WORLD AT THE RANGE OF WEAPONS) and normal characteristics did not work ...

        the curtain became obsolete with the development of the aviation industry in China-India-RF-Brazil and further down the list.
        1. -6
          25 June 2021 12: 00
          You would explain yourself more clearly.
        2. +2
          25 June 2021 13: 11
          Quote: antivirus
          obsolete

          hi And I really thought that the "F-35 Amateur Club" was working at VO laughing
    2. +9
      25 June 2021 18: 21
      I am embarrassed to ask, but what about analogue Su-57s, why are they bombed or with whom they are fighting in dashing air battles? With the Luftwaffe? Not even in the series yet, the pilots and technicians still don't know how to do anything with them ... But the F-35 sucks, we have one left of them ... Combat sofa experts, slow down, otherwise NATO, after reading your comments , immediately surrender, write off all 600-700 F-35s and urgently ask for a replacement for the Su-57 ... What will you do then? Where to get so many of them?
      1. 0
        26 June 2021 16: 05
        "Su-57, why are they bombing or with whom are they fighting in dashing air battles?" - they have won all of them long ago. As the Dark-haired woman said in the famous film, "a conditional enemy was conditionally shot down in a conditional battle."
    3. +2
      25 June 2021 20: 09
      "only Syria is bombed on it without entering the airspace," ///
      ---
      Without entering, F-16s do it.
      And the F-35 flew over Iran (reconnaissance), bombed targets in Iraq and eastern Syria (distant part).
      Iran denied flying over its territory of the F-35, but fired the air defense commander a couple of days later. Yes
  2. -18
    25 June 2021 05: 03
    The article is complete nonsense. With F 35 everything is very good, it is not clear only why lie. The aircraft is outstanding, it began to be developed at the same time as our Su 57, which entered the army in a single copy, and with the engine of the previous generation. The A F 35 has already been produced in more than 500 numbers and is the most combat-ready aircraft in the US Air Force.
    1. +3
      25 June 2021 05: 15
      All claims against Andrew Cockburn smile
    2. +8
      25 June 2021 05: 21
      The A F 35 has already been produced in more than 500 numbers and is the most combat-ready aircraft in the US Air Force.

      655 pieces to be exact.
      If it were really bad, then it would not be purchased in such volumes. Here, force or not force, and no one will buy junk.
      There is very little information on many aircraft, specifically about the problems they have. The JSF program publishes these problems, which not every vendor does.
      Publishing problems with the aircraft is only beneficial, because the problems will have to be solved. And if you keep silent about the problems, then nothing good will come of it.
      1. -1
        26 June 2021 19: 00
        Would have bought and how. LM has everything in this planets
    3. +2
      25 June 2021 05: 28
      https://topwar.ru/141353-pervyy-vosstanovlennyy-v-ssha-vykatili-pervyy-istrebitel-f-16-s-uvelichennym-letnym-resursom.html
      What for?
    4. +4
      25 June 2021 05: 36
      Quote: ramzay21
      The plane is outstanding

      Well, it's really straight and outstanding, except for the possibility of vertical landing and stealth (which evaporates with the introduction of external suspension), the aircraft is not bad in terms of characteristics, nothing more.
      1. +17
        25 June 2021 06: 38
        If you read the question a little, you would be surprised
        Well, really straight and outstanding, except for the possibility of vertical landing

        Offhand two parameters

        1. Radar AN / APG-81 for which the creators could get the Nobel Prize. The customer does not encourage excessive attention to development

        The F-35 radar is revealed when working on ground targets: the creators of the APG-81 managed to achieve mines. terrain resolution within 30 x 30 centimeters. This allows, literally, when looking from the stratosphere, to distinguish a tank from an infantry fighting vehicle.

        Or the operation of the radar in the Wi-Fi access point mode, transmitting data to other media at a speed 500 times faster than is accepted in the standard NATO Link 16 communication line.

        2. The Pratt-Whitney F135 engine is the most powerful turbojet engine ever created.

        With its own dry weight of 1,7 tons, it produces 13/19 tons of thrust (mode without afterburner / afterburner)
        Well, really straight and outstanding, except for the possibility of vertical landing and stealth (which evaporates with the introduction of an external suspension), the aircraft is not bad in terms of characteristics, no more.

        Yes, not bad)))
        1. +2
          25 June 2021 06: 41
          That the radar, that the engine could be installed on another aircraft.

          Quote: Santa Fe
          This allows, literally, when looking from the stratosphere, to distinguish a tank from an infantry fighting vehicle.
          In which the F-35 will not be able to climb, not in a typical configuration. )))
          1. +9
            25 June 2021 08: 26
            That the radar, that the engine could be installed on another aircraft.

            The main element that determines what the aircraft will be like. And whether he will be at all. Without an engine, all other "Wishlist" turns into a static layout. Dimensions, layout, lth, combat load. The whole "weight spiral" rests on the engine of the required parameters

            The Yankees managed to build a single-engine fighter with max. takeoff weight 30 tons

            Further. The weight of the airborne radar is 1% of the take-off weight, but it is the characteristics of the radar that largely determine the cost and capabilities of modern fighters. The statistics of combat use over the past 20 years gives a clear picture: all air battles in which fourth generation fighters took part, 100% of victories were won using medium and long-range air-to-air missiles.

            In principle, yes, it is not difficult to create other analogues of the APG-81 and put it on another plane))) F-35 is useless)))

            Would you like to discuss the problems of the layout and the F-35 airframe?
            1. -4
              25 June 2021 08: 35
              Quote: Santa Fe
              Would you like to discuss the problems of the layout and the F-35 airframe?

              Do you want to prove that the F-35 is an outstanding aircraft?
              1. +4
                25 June 2021 08: 38
                No, the conversation is over with you
                1. -7
                  25 June 2021 08: 44
                  Quote: Santa Fe
                  No, the conversation is over with you

                  The best, tablecloth, road.
            2. +2
              25 June 2021 09: 27
              Oleg, well, as a plane, he is so-so ... rather a platform, you can argue about the prospects for the development of aviation
        2. +4
          26 June 2021 05: 18
          Nice answer. And most importantly, the correct one, the engine + radar is one of the main components that are created longer than the aircraft.
          First but. One engine per plane is much easier, there are no problems with engine synchronization, etc. Secondly, one engine still does not pull, the plane is clearly overwhelmed.
          The maximum takeoff weight of the F-35 with a length of 15,4 and a wingspan of 10,7 meters is 27,3 tons. The aircraft can reach speeds of up to 1,9 thousand kilometers per hour, and its combat radius is 845 kilometers. The F-35 can carry missiles and bombs and air cannons with a total mass of up to 8,1 tons - 6,8 tons at six underwing suspension points and 1,3 tons at two pylons in the internal weapons bays.

          And so it is so-so combat-ready. That is why the United States plans to purchase 144 F-15EX fighters (capable of carrying up to 22 AIM-120 missiles and anti-radar AGM-88 HARM), which will actually be the F-35 squire (but the F-15EX has its own radar). Those. you received less AWACS, terribly expensive and terribly proud of that.
          But the business is also first class. To sell something unnecessary, you need to design it all together and buy it together.
          PS It is quite suitable for the old aviation of Syria, but it simply will not reach Iran (there is 1000 km to the border in a straight line). But then he will consider everything there.
          I can see everything from above, you just know.
        3. +3
          26 June 2021 19: 04
          1. Radar AN / APG-81 for which the creators could get the Nobel Prize. The customer does not encourage excessive attention to development

          The F-35 radar is revealed when working on ground targets: the creators of the APG-81 managed to achieve mines. terrain resolution within 30 x 30 centimeters. This allows, literally, when looking from the stratosphere, to distinguish a tank from an infantry fighting vehicle.


          Oh, this is the radar that is worse than the F-22 ???
          In fact, most likely there are very good information processors, although the software is there for itself ..

          Or the operation of the radar in the Wi-Fi access point mode, transmitting data to other media at a speed 500 times faster than is accepted in the standard NATO Link 16 communication line.


          Setocentricity was made on the MiG-31

          2. The Pratt-Whitney F135 engine is the most powerful turbojet engine ever created.


          At the same time, neither in range nor in thrust-weight ratio, nor in cruising supersonic, the device can
      2. AUL
        +8
        25 June 2021 06: 49
        I would like to see a specific list of complaints about the aircraft. And then just a statement like "F35 -g .. but" somehow is not taken seriously!
        1. +1
          25 June 2021 06: 54
          Quote from AUL
          I would like to see a specific list of complaints about the aircraft. And then just a statement like "F35 -g .. but" somehow is not taken seriously!

          Find in my commentary the statement "type F35 g-no" ", but first provide evidence of its" outstanding "just do not need to indicate the elements that can be installed on other aircraft.
          1. AUL
            +5
            25 June 2021 06: 59
            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            Find the statement in my comment

            I'm not specifically about your comment (if you perceived that, sorry). It's just the article itself, and most of the comments seem to imply this. I do not dispute this point of view and do not support it - because there is not enough in the topic. Therefore, I asked the question.
            1. 0
              25 June 2021 07: 00
              Quote from AUL
              I'm not specifically about your comment (if you perceived that, sorry).

              Then order. hi
          2. 0
            25 June 2021 08: 10
            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            just do not need to indicate the elements that can be installed on other aircraft.

            The best engine, the best electronics, the best weapons available (and this will not change in the coming decades)?

            Well, put it all on another plane, no question. Then it will be possible to compare.
            1. +6
              25 June 2021 08: 23
              Quote: Cherry Nine
              The best engine, the best electronics, the best weapons available (and this will not change in the coming decades)?

              Mediocre flight characteristics, a small raised ammunition load in an inconspicuous mode, or no visibility with external hardpoints at an undoubted high cost, these are not the parameters of an "outstanding aircraft".
              1. +5
                25 June 2021 09: 40
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                small raised ammunition in stealth mode or no visibility with external hardpoints

                Internal compartments are by definition limited in space. Stealth mode is needed in specific cases - work against air defense or against enemy fighters (with its own radar turned off). The bunches on the external sling are the clear sky mode.
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                with the undoubted high cost

                The high cost there is only for maintenance, mainly due to the capricious coverage. The plane itself is cheap, at the level of the latest versions of the F-16.
              2. +5
                25 June 2021 13: 48
                And why is the F-35 ammunition in stealth mode too small for you? The aircraft was created to replace the F-16 for which the standard load is 2 PTB, 2 Guided Bombs and 2 Explosive Missiles. What worked for them before, they registered in the technical specification for the new aircraft. Well, maybe in addition, instead of 2 big bombs, he can take 8 SDBs in the compartment, so this is only a plus. The F-35 is the F-16 improved by stealth and electronics, and here the Americans are successful in everything.
                1. +1
                  25 June 2021 17: 11
                  Quote: arkadiyssk
                  And why is the F-35 ammunition in stealth mode too small for you? The aircraft was created to replace the F-16 for which the standard load is 2 PTB, 2 guided bombs and 2 explosive missiles
                  What's so little? Actually, the F-16 block 40 has nine suspension nodes, against a maximum of eight, and even then for small-sized bombs in the bays of the F-35, so there is no point in arguing with you about the F-35, the level of your knowledge is not impressive.
                  1. +5
                    25 June 2021 20: 54
                    Well, yes, an airplane with 8 points in the inner compartments is compared with an airplane with 0 points in the inner compartments and it is concluded that 8 points is, of course, not enough.

                    You need more points - take B-2, he has better.
                    1. +2
                      26 June 2021 10: 04
                      Quote: Cherry Nine
                      Well, yes, an airplane with 8 points in the inner compartments is compared with an airplane with 0 points in the inner compartments and it is concluded that 8 points is, of course, not enough.

                      Firstly, you turned 8 suspensions for small-sized ammunition into 8 full-fledged suspension assemblies, but this is not the case, these "eight" are actually four full-fledged ones, and secondly, it was not I who mentioned the F-35 as a replacement for the F-16, and I did not write this stupidity:
                      Quote: arkadiyssk
                      The aircraft was created to replace the F-16 for which the standard load is 2 PTB, 2 Guided Bombs and 2 Explosive Missiles.


                      "Count it yourself" laughing



                      And thirdly, I do not write that the F-35 is a bad plane, I write that the F-35 is not an OUTSTANDING plane.
                      1. +1
                        26 June 2021 11: 59
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        but it is not, these "eight" are actually four full-fledged

                      2. +2
                        26 June 2021 15: 25
                        Very funny picture in light of this statement
                        Quote: Cherry Nine
                        Well, yes, an airplane with 8 points in the inner compartments is compared with an airplane with 0 points in the inner compartments and it is concluded that 8 points is, of course, not enough.


                        I also have a similar one:
                        Only a couple of decades older. laughing
                      3. 0
                        26 June 2021 16: 16
                        And what is the contradiction?
                      4. 0
                        26 June 2021 17: 20
                        Quote: Cherry Nine
                        And what is the contradiction?
                        Not a contradiction, but a reason to smile.
                        And you do not see the nodes of the EXTERNAL suspension in your picture?
                      5. 0
                        26 June 2021 20: 49
                        Who cares? Who needed to shove 9+ tons (by the way, more than the F-16) into the internal compartments? You?
                      6. 0
                        26 June 2021 21: 05
                        Quote: Cherry Nine
                        Who needed to shove 9+ tons (by the way, more than the F-16) into the internal compartments?

                        9 tons, are you delusional? Look at your picture again, most of the load ONLY on the external suspension can be suspended. And 9 tons is the maximum load on all units.
                        This is the level of the majority of F-35 defenders, unfortunately.
                      7. +2
                        26 June 2021 21: 09
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        most of the load on the external sling ONLY can be suspended. And 9 tons is the maximum load on all units.

                        Everything is correct. What is the question? It is your task to shove all 9 tons inside, not mine. And not from the customers of the aircraft, which is more important.
                      8. 0
                        26 June 2021 21: 24
                        Quote: Cherry Nine
                        And not from the customers of the aircraft, which is more important.

                        Yes, one hundred percent proof of the outstanding F-35
                      9. 0
                        14 August 2021 06: 29
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        And thirdly, I do not write that the F-35 is a bad plane, I write that the F-35 is not an OUTSTANDING plane.

                        And who is the "outstanding aircraft"?
              3. +4
                26 June 2021 01: 48
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                Mediocre flight characteristics

                Comment from the category "I have not read, but I condemn" lol
                "Mediocre flight performance" has only a variant with GDP.
                Option A, like other today's fighters, has limitations associated exclusively with the physiology of the body piloting the homo sapiens.
                It is better to see once.

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                2. +1
                  26 June 2021 10: 12
                  Quote: And Us Rat
                  Comment from the category "I have not read, but I condemn"

                  Are you talking about yourself? In general, I dispute the outstanding F-35, and not that it is a good plane.
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  undoubtedly expensive, these are not the parameters of an "outstanding aircraft".

                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  Do you want to prove that the F-35 is an outstanding aircraft?

                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  Well, it's really straight and outstanding, except for the possibility of vertical landing and stealth (which evaporates with the introduction of external suspension), the aircraft is not bad in terms of characteristics, nothing more.




                  Quote: And Us Rat
                  Option A, like other today's fighters, has limitations associated exclusively with the physiology of the body piloting the homo sapiens.

                  Does this make the F-35 an outstanding aircraft?
                  The G-forces that will drive the pilot into a swoon are not yet an indicator of the aircraft's outstanding performance.
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          1. 0
            4 July 2021 15: 56
            This is all great ... And where is the corresponding infa on competitors? Oh yes, they are, well, yes: "forgotten, out of competition, UFO"
    5. +1
      25 June 2021 06: 35
      winked "Plane outstanding, they began to develop it at the same time as our Su 57, which entered the army in a single copy, and with the engine of the previous generation. AF 35 released already in more than 500 and is the most combat-ready aircraft in the US Air Force .... "(c) The first is for" outstanding "the number of vehicles released is not enough and the second most combat-ready in the US Air Force is also not a pass in" outstanding. "Although it has every chance of being an outstanding failure. hi
      1. +10
        25 June 2021 08: 03
        Quote: Captive
        winked "Plane outstanding, they began to develop it at the same time as our Su 57, which entered the army in a single copy, and with the engine of the previous generation. AF 35 released already in more than 500 and is the most combat-ready aircraft in the US Air Force .... "(c) The first is for" outstanding "the number of vehicles released is not enough and the second most combat-ready in the US Air Force is also not a pass in" outstanding. "Although it has every chance of being an outstanding failure. hi

        If everything is measured only by the number of issued, then the balalaika and its Chinese clone are the most outstanding combat jet aircraft in the world ...
        In general, the article is strange, usually the author tries to conduct constructive criticism, but here is rubbish and point ... okay the F-35, only the lazy does not kick it (which is not surprising at all, given the ambitiousness of the program), but the F-22 .. it is certainly not so advanced like 20 years ago, but it is still considered (even in our country) the most perfect aircraft ... The Su-57 is trying to follow exactly in his footsteps ...
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    7. +14
      25 June 2021 10: 11
      The article is complete nonsense. With F 35 everything is very good, it is not clear only why lie. The aircraft is outstanding, it began to be developed at the same time as our Su 57, which entered the army in a single copy, and with the engine of the previous generation. The A F 35 has already been produced in more than 500 numbers and is the most combat-ready aircraft in the US Air Force.

      Lightning's creation and production program is unique in itself. Among other things, a huge success is the fact that it was possible to establish a large-scale serial production in international cooperation for such a complex, high-tech machine, and at a very reasonable price! The program is quite open, so the F-35 criticized every and every one. At that time, hundreds of new cars rolled off the assembly lines, and the queue of those wishing to purchase the F-35 does not diminish. The plane is clearly good ...
    8. 0
      25 June 2021 19: 10
      Quote: ramzay21
      The F 35 has already been produced in more than 500 numbers and is the most combat-ready aircraft in the US Air Force.

      I haven't laughed like that for a long time. Just leave this (links) here:
      - https://afirsov.livejournal.com/470068.html
      - https://afirsov.livejournal.com/473719.html
      - https://afirsov.livejournal.com/546681.html
      + a large number of articles about f-35 on topwar, for example: https://topwar.ru/107765-sravnenie-rossiyskogo-su-35-i-amerikanskogo-f-35-lightning-ii.html
      Or here: https://topwar.ru/39220-za-chto-f-35-ne-lyubyat-v-avstralii.html

      If there is a desire, look for official data on the combat readiness of the F-35 and be sure to pay attention to what kind of series is being produced.
      And if you think that this is a special "terrible slander" for the "most combat-ready and outstanding" aircraft, then I will disappoint you - this is not the first failed program of a single fighter.
      And against this background, purchases of the F-15 began again and there was talk of a new 4 ++ generation vehicle for the US Air Force.

      PS: and now I'm asking for cons and labels "propagandist" and other nonsense :)
      1. +2
        26 June 2021 04: 18
        And against this background, purchases of the F-15 began again and there was talk of a new 4 ++ generation vehicle for the US Air Force.

        Especially for victims of propaganda.
        1) The F15EX is essentially a front-line bomber capable of conducting an air battle, an analogue of our Su 34 and Su 30SM. The only difference is that they all planes made on the basis of F15 designate the letters F15 +, and we have all the planes made on the basis of the Su 27 specially for people like you designate as a new plane, for example, Su 30, Su 33, Su 34 and Su 35 ...
        2) F15, on the basis of which the F15EX is made, is a heavy fighter, its analogue is F22 and not F35. F35 replaces F16.
        3) F15EX is purchased to replace the F15E, the first version of the fighter-bomber. And they began to design our Su 34 precisely as a response to the F15E.
        If there is a desire, look for official data on the combat readiness of the F-35 and be sure to pay attention to what kind of series is being produced.

        It is not clear why the published lies about the allegedly unsuccessful F35 show only weakness and idiocy.
        Here is their website with news about F35.
        https://www.f35.com/f35/index.html
        By the way, F35 from the British aircraft carrier launched ISIS attacks, and mind you have not yet lost a single aircraft.
        1. -1
          26 June 2021 17: 57
          Quote: ramzay21
          It is not clear why the published lies about the allegedly unsuccessful F35 show only weakness and idiocy.
          Here is their website with news about F35.

          Well, yes - in the West they never lie :) As an example of "infallibility", you can recall the whole campaign "Let's replace old and ineffective Thunderbolts with super effective Lightning bolts."

          Quote: ramzay21
          The F15, on the basis of which the F15EX is made, is a heavy fighter, its analogue is the F22 and not the F35. F35 replaces F16.

          Yes, yes, only the original 15s in the plans were supposed to give way to 35m: https://vpk.name/news/36279_istrebiteli_f-35_zamenyat_vse_samolety_f-15_vvs_ssha_lockheed_martin.html

          The truth is that whatever the praises of the F-35 are sung by its apologists, but this "the best plane in the world" is a really unsuccessful plane in terms of the amount of its performance characteristics, which has not yet been cured of childhood ailments.
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          2. -2
            26 June 2021 21: 49
            Well, yes - in the West they never lie :) As an example of "infallibility", you can recall the whole campaign "Let's replace old and ineffective Thunderbolts with super effective Lightning bolts."


            Everyone is lying, but one must distinguish between lies and truth. The lies about F35 have gone too far, you are pouring water without facts.

            Yes, yes, that's just the original 15s in the plans were supposed to give way to 35m


            F 35 replaces F16, F18 and Warthogs. It was never intended as a replacement for the F15S heavy fighter; they have different parameters and different tasks. F15S replaced F22, and F15S has not been produced for a long time, and are not going to be produced.

            The truth is that whatever the praises of the F-35 are sung by its apologists, but this "the best plane in the world" is a really unsuccessful plane in terms of the amount of its performance characteristics, which has not yet been rid of childhood ailments


            The truth is that their F35 is cheaper than our Su 35 and much more efficient. The truth is that there is a queue for F35, from Israelis, all Europeans and Japanese. And Israel was not forced to buy Abrams tanks, like the Europeans, so the argument that they were forced will not work.
            The Europeans have Rafal, which the Indians preferred to our MiG 35, but the Europeans massively order the F35 not because they were forced, but because the F35 is significantly superior to the Rafale. F35 contains technologies that we, alas, do not have. And if our MiG 29, although at the cost of twin-engine power, was able to surpass the F16, now we are not even developing anything in this direction.
            People like you, who stand up for universal approval and urge us not to do anything, after all, everything is good at helping to destroy our defenses.
            1. -2
              26 June 2021 22: 16
              Quote: ramzay21
              F 35 replaces F16, F18 and Warthogs. It was never intended as a replacement for the F15S heavy fighter; they have different parameters and different tasks. F15S replaced F22, and F15S has not been produced for a long time, and are not going to be produced.

              Those. continue to stubbornly ignore the facts ...

              Quote: ramzay21
              The truth is that their F35 is cheaper than our Su 35 and much more efficient. The truth is that there is a queue for F35, from Israelis, all Europeans and Japanese. And Israel was not forced to buy Abrams tanks, like the Europeans, so the argument that they were forced will not work.

              Yeah. Very cheap and very efficient. Only the numbers are sky-high.

              Quote: ramzay21
              People like you, who stand up for universal approval and urge us not to do anything, after all, everything is good at helping to destroy our defenses.

              But people like you, with eternal faith in the holy West, are only ready to bow to it.
              1. -1
                27 June 2021 09: 12
                .e. continue to stubbornly ignore the facts ...


                What?
                Yeah. Very cheap and very efficient. Only the numbers are sky-high.

                The price of the F35 is less than the Su 35, that's a fact. But the Americans F35 do not sell it to everyone, only to their allies. Hindus would love to buy it.
                But people like you, with eternal faith in the holy West, are only ready to bow to it.

                You are urging us not to do anything, just to operate Soviet aircraft, developed 40 years ago, considering them the most modern means. You stubbornly do not want to see our lag
                1. -2
                  27 June 2021 16: 04
                  Quote: ramzay21
                  You are urging us not to do anything, just to operate Soviet aircraft, developed 40 years ago, considering them the most modern means. You stubbornly do not want to see our lag

                  Oh, it’s not good to lie - kindly request QUOTE, where I CALLED NOT TO DO ANYTHING?

                  Quote: ramzay21
                  The price of the F35 is less than the Su 35, that's a fact.

                  The cost of the Su-35S is 2 billion rubles. (about $ 27 million)
                  The cost of the F-35 is from 84 to 108 million dollars.
                  Where is it cheaper?
                  1. -1
                    27 June 2021 20: 41
                    The cost of the Su-35S is 2 billion rubles. (about $ 27 million)
                    The cost of the F-35 is from 84 to 108 million dollars.
                    Where is it cheaper?

                    The contract value of the Su 35 sold to China was $ 104 million each.
                    The cost of Ф35А is 85 million dollars. There is no point in giving prices for the ship version and the vertical takeoff option.

                    Oh, it’s not good to lie - kindly request QUOTE, where I CALLED NOT TO DO ANYTHING?

                    You praise the Soviet Su 27 and its modernizations, developed 40 years ago, and you attribute fake shortcomings to the next generation aircraft in service with other countries. You create a picture in which nothing needs to be done, and our Su 35 is much better than the F35, which is not true.
                    1. -1
                      28 June 2021 17: 28
                      Quote: ramzay21
                      The contract value of the Su 35 sold to China was $ 104 million each.

                      Yeah, otherwise the country that constantly copies should have been sold cheaper.
                      You don't see the cost for the car either. As before, they tried to deny the fact of an attempt to replace all F-15s with F-35s.

                      Quote: ramzay21
                      You praise the Soviet Su 27 and its modernization,

                      Tired of this sabotage.
                      Specifically, give a quote where I praise the Su-35 in this thread (although this is a really good car).
                      As you give it, then we'll talk, but for now this is a one-sided game: you have links to various sources, what arguments, and in response, propaganda slogans from the site about the 35th, personal fabrications and a stream of stupid reflections about the Su-27.
  3. +14
    25 June 2021 05: 06
    Of all NATO, only the Turks very gracefully "jumped off" by purchasing the Russian S-400 air defense systems. As a result, they stayed with both the air defense system and their F-15s ...

    Thanks to the author! I didn't know that the Turkish Air Force has an F-15. good
    1. +6
      25 June 2021 08: 15
      This is Skomorokhov. Why be surprised.
  4. +14
    25 June 2021 05: 24
    ... not as outright a nightmare as its predecessor, the F-22

    the plane is not as hopeless as the F-22

    The author somehow did not reveal the topic of the hopeless nightmare of the F-22
  5. 0
    25 June 2021 05: 24
    ... Airplanes fly, bomb, launch rockets. No losses so far. Strange, isn't it?
    What's so strange about that? Do they fly far and where are they bombed from? Maybe someone else is opposing them at the same time?
    1. +2
      25 June 2021 08: 16
      Su-25SM from Khmeinima did the same and, probably, are doing it now.
      1. +3
        25 June 2021 12: 03
        There is a slight difference - Russian aircraft do this without any resistance from the air defense.
        1. +1
          25 June 2021 14: 04
          Apparently on Israeli planes, which, as a rule, attack from neutral air. air defense space works. Oh well. It was only when they flew in, then it worked, and sometimes it was not unsuccessful.
          1. +1
            25 June 2021 15: 45
            As far as I know (from my friend who lives THERE), it is not unsuccessful 1 (one) time, and even then because of a pilot error, but they fly into Syrian space on a regular basis. It's just that they don't tell the followers of Syrian "friends" this so as not to upset them. If they could, in fact, be shot down in foreign airspace, Lebanon would have nothing against it, it has long been under Hezbollah. But the Russian aviation does not have any opposition at all. The Islamists and the opposition only have MANPADS, but bombing Russian planes from high enough altitudes.
  6. +3
    25 June 2021 05: 35
    Well, his parents awarded him a name. Cockburn in one of the translation variants means "burn of manhood".
  7. +8
    25 June 2021 05: 37
    In the Royal Air Force, the F-35 is not only in service, it is on the F-35B that they rely on when equipping aircraft-carrying troughs of the Queen Elizabeth type.


    But "Kuzya" is an aircraft carrier with a capital letter.
  8. -4
    25 June 2021 05: 39
    More planes in NATO - faulty and unfinished ones!
  9. +2
    25 June 2021 05: 46
    Yes, an aviation specialist from the author is so-so. Especially in terms of the "nightmare" with the F-22.
  10. AAC
    +4
    25 June 2021 05: 48
    Little by little, everything will be finished and the costs will be reduced. And six hundred aircraft is power. Do not cover with hats.
  11. -7
    25 June 2021 05: 52
    Did the skakuas also intend to buy these flying coffins?
  12. -3
    25 June 2021 06: 02
    Quote: ramzay21
    The article is complete nonsense. With F 35 everything is very good, it is not clear only why lie. The aircraft is outstanding, it began to be developed at the same time as our Su 57, which entered the army in a single copy, and with the engine of the previous generation. The A F 35 has already been produced in more than 500 numbers and is the most combat-ready aircraft in the US Air Force.

    Are you sure everything is fine? Without taking off, he already begins to milk the owners, not to mention when he flies. And what is this outstanding aircraft? Well, where has he already shown himself better than others?
    And where did you get the idea that the plane is the most combat-ready (in the USA)? The data from the penguins seems to suggest otherwise. If I am not mistaken, it is impossible to raise the iron's combat readiness above 70%.
    1. +5
      25 June 2021 08: 17
      70% is good readiness for any type. Of course, in the USSR, in some places, 9 out of 10 cars could be raised on alarm at once, but this is rather an exception.
    2. +5
      25 June 2021 08: 47
      Quote: Tagan
      the combat readiness of the iron above 70% cannot be raised

      Raise combat readiness above 70%?

      Lip no fool.

      You were not interested in what percentage of combat readiness is considered normal in different countries?
  13. +6
    25 June 2021 06: 11
    The United States has been producing the most expensive and useless aircraft, more than a thousand units for a long time. We produce the most perfect aircraft in the amount of 2 pieces. Why do customers like them more than guano, but our super flyers do not?
  14. -6
    25 June 2021 06: 24
    Let NATO members fill all their pantries and even refrigerators with these F-35 devices, maybe they will come in handy, but money ...., money is a profitable business. wassat
  15. +7
    25 June 2021 06: 31
    If the F22 is so bad compared to the F35, why is Israel so keen to buy the F22 in addition to the F35?
    https://rg.ru/2020/11/06/ssha-prodadut-izrailiu-f-22.html
    1. +2
      25 June 2021 13: 56
      Because the F-35 is a replacement drummer for the F-16. And Israel needs either a replacement F-15 or new F-15s.
      1. -2
        25 June 2021 16: 29
        Yes, Israel seems to have already agreed on the purchase of new F-15 XE.
  16. +9
    25 June 2021 06: 39
    the Turks very gracefully "jumped off" by purchasing the Russian S-400 air defense systems. As a result, they stayed with both the air defense system and their F-15s.



    Already these custom-made "rusty" and to the last stupid articles, except for laughter, cause nothing ..
    I remember "4 FAB at the rate of the British Destroyer !!!"
    .... and laughter and sin .. how pitiful and low these people have fallen.)
    This is how it should be, everything is on the right track.)
  17. +6
    25 June 2021 06: 45
    Of all NATO, only the Turks very gracefully "jumped off" by purchasing the Russian S-400 air defense systems. As a result, they stayed with both the air defense system and their F-15s.

    Turks? F-15? Yah?

    F-35 is a successful aircraft. Our 50 aircraft will not be limited.


    1. +1
      25 June 2021 07: 00
      And the crisis blasted, and as a result, there is not enough money, Lockheed Martin suspends deliveries, because Italy owes $ 600 million for the planes already sent
      .

      Received the first batch of F-35A for the RAF



      Quote: professor
      Yah?

      In this article ,as they say,everything is fine.. through the line straight
    2. -3
      25 June 2021 08: 19
      For Lochkid, no doubt. And before that, the F-16 was successful, it fought for about so-so, but what sales.
      1. +2
        25 June 2021 09: 49
        Quote: EvilLion
        For Lochkid, no doubt. And before that, the F-16 was successful, it fought for about so-so, but what sales.

        So-so?
        1. 0
          25 June 2021 14: 06
          The F-15 fought much better, fully justifying the high cost. And the badges on the fuselages were also able to draw the people most not indifferent to Jews from Germany in the 40s.
          1. +2
            25 June 2021 15: 52
            Uh-huh. Let's get the statistics on F-15.
            "Icons are drawn" when there is confirmation of the downing of the enemy from at least two independent sources, CEP.
  18. +1
    25 June 2021 07: 06
    EU and Turks in NATO .... in some countries there are American TNW and non-stealth aircraft, apparently, will not be able to deliver the required amount of nuclear weapons to targets on the territory of the Russian Federation. First of all, they are equipped with the required number of F-35s (This funding is also not always open). On the whole, there is NATO and there are certain standards for who, how much of what should be. As for the need for such aircraft, he (they) is only needed against the Russian Federation and China .... with everything else, both the United States and Israel will cope with fresh F-16V, F15EX .... with modern weapons and intelligence.
  19. +2
    25 June 2021 07: 46
    Quote: Ehmedli

    Already these custom-made "rusty" and to the last stupid articles, except for laughter, cause nothing ..
    I remember "4 FAB at the rate of the British Destroyer !!!"
    .... and laughter and sin .. how pitiful and low these people have fallen.)
    This is how it should be, everything is on the right track.)

    Whose people did you mean? As recently as last night, it turned out that the Brits had pissed off, to put it mildly.
    1. -2
      25 June 2021 07: 53
      What did the Britons talk about?
      1. -4
        25 June 2021 16: 32
        It seems that it was not the Britons who pissed off, the "bombing" is not confirmed in any way. Show the video of this whole story and all questions will disappear, but for some reason not.
  20. -3
    25 June 2021 07: 52
    Wait, of course. When they bring up to a thousand pieces ..
  21. -3
    25 June 2021 08: 14
    Quote: Kama74
    What did the Britons talk about?

    Almost everything.))
    Check out the latest footage from the RF Ministry of Defense, laid out for dessert, and the materials of the BBC reporter on the ship.
    Quite indicative, given the fact that the shaves had time to braid before.
    1. -1
      25 June 2021 08: 20
      I looked and what was there ..
      There was a destroyer on the horizon, from the boat they fired somewhere in the direction of the sky ..
      Is this warning shooting?
    2. -4
      25 June 2021 08: 25
      The Britons used to say that "somewhere in the distance, don't understand who doesn't understand where they shot" Video from the FSB confirms this
    3. +6
      25 June 2021 08: 41
      Check out the latest footage from the RF Ministry of Defense, laid out for dessert, and the materials of the BBC reporter on the ship.

      No video confirming bombing
  22. 0
    25 June 2021 08: 40
    Quote: Kama74
    I looked and what was there ..
    There was a destroyer on the horizon, from the boat they fired somewhere in the direction of the sky ..
    Is this warning shooting?

    That is, in your opinion, they should have certainly shot at point-blank range? Did someone really insist that the shooting was carried out directly at the ship?
    Is it difficult for you to link our personnel and what is happening on Defender at this very time (negotiations, actions)?
    1. +8
      25 June 2021 08: 56
      The destroyer went on the same course.


      Where is the bombing?


      For the most illegible - this is a photo from an exercise, a destroyer of the same type

      Will they show us abrupt course changes and evasive maneuvers this time?

      They piled on the Britons, fired shots, detonated bombs, frightened them and forced them to retreat. In fact - neither the first, nor the second, nor the third. The main thing is to invent and believe
      1. +2
        25 June 2021 14: 09
        Where should it be? Dumping 4 inert cast iron 500 meters in front of the ship will not leave such beautiful wake traces.
        1. +3
          25 June 2021 17: 21
          Did the ship react somehow?
          Is there a video confirmation of the reset?

          Besides words
    2. -3
      25 June 2021 08: 57
      Well, here I am saying that there is a discrepancy between the negotiations and the actions ... if they showed how an airplane from a cannon on the water shmalnul in front of the destroyer a line on the water after the negotiations, there would be no questions ... And so, the impression is not very
  23. 0
    25 June 2021 08: 50
    Quote: EvilLion
    70% is good readiness for any type. Of course, in the USSR, in some places, 9 out of 10 cars could be raised on alarm at once, but this is rather an exception.

    So, the man said that "The F-35 is the most combat-ready aircraft in the US Air Force." And this, based on their own information, is not so. Since some types of their aircraft have a combat readiness of about 80%.
  24. +4
    25 June 2021 08: 56
    And not tired? This is the 4th article I have seen about "The Spectator" from F35.

    Moreover, it is silent that this is a fighter bomber, single-engine, but with stealth, there are simply no similar ones. Therefore, there is also no choice of what to buy.
    Not two propulsion su 34 to take NATO?

    Money - and others are not cheap, but about the SU in general, everything is classified ...
  25. +1
    25 June 2021 08: 56
    Quote: Cherry Nine
    Quote: Tagan
    the combat readiness of the iron above 70% cannot be raised

    Raise combat readiness above 70%?

    Lip no fool.

    You were not interested in what percentage of combat readiness is considered normal in different countries?

    I was interested in the percentage of different types in the United States. This was discussed. And delivered information based on their sources. For other types, they cite data that reaches 80%. So "lip is not stupid" is not for me.))
    1. +2
      25 June 2021 20: 59
      If we are talking about last year's reports, then 80% were set as a target for the Air Force. In reality, at that time, this percentage was achieved only by sailors, but they have their own themes. F-35 readiness was in the region of 75%, which is exceptionally good. Conversations of individual "experts" that "but here in Soviet times, combat readiness was 100%, every one of the planes were combat-ready" - for mentally handicapped children.
  26. +3
    25 June 2021 09: 28
    Nothing is perfect, and f35 is not perfect in some way. Like all other planes in the world. But this is the most successful 5th generation stealth aircraft. It is quite expected, because it is already the fourth serial stealth among the Americans. Which, moreover, make the best aircraft engines in the world, the best airborne radars and, in general, a lot of better things. And it is quite understandable why - the economy, education, science, the work of the authorities are the best in the world for a century.
    Russia has something to be proud of, at least for now. But compete with the United States? - for this it is necessary to bring up the same economy, education, science, power to their level. It is not easy, but at least with cuts you can start, this legal theft of the budget, plus 40% to the budget would have been. And even this will not work - the sawmills are in power.
  27. +1
    25 June 2021 09: 35
    Level of the article: "The Turks ... stayed with both the air defense system and their F-15s."
  28. +4
    25 June 2021 10: 49
    Come on, you people argue that the F-35 is good or bad. The reality surrounding the layman is very complex, it is extremely difficult to understand it, and the aviation topic is clearly not the simplest one. Therefore, the layman can "stick" anything, he still will not understand. Our state propaganda is faced with a logical problem. On the one hand, the "Russian Spring" and the West began to "rot" for the umpteenth time, on the other, how to explain to the layman all these incomprehensible but predatory looking F-22 and F-35? Let's just call them rubbish. And immediately there were articles, drawings, videos, speeches of experts and so on with these messages. They told the journalists "from above" what to say and they are happy to work off their salaries.
    It is not the first time that states have been constructing fake realities of what we have in the West.
    But here the most lulz can happen if, suddenly, in real battles, the F-35 meets and modern Russian fighters / air defense systems and the F-35 suddenly turn out to be not rubbish. Then all this fake reality will crumble a lot, you will have to compose "excuses". But even if this happens, nothing particularly terrible will happen for journalists or the state, because almost nothing depends on the inhabitants. So 300-400 comments under the article will be thrown and calm down.
  29. 0
    25 June 2021 11: 20
    tongue F-35 shit! laughing Who paid for them is a sucker and a slave.
  30. +1
    25 June 2021 14: 11
    Quote: EvilLion
    The F-15 fought much better, fully justifying the high cost. And the badges on the fuselages were also able to draw the people most not indifferent to Jews from Germany in the 40s.

    Well, if you're talking about our kind of segment ... Our 35th abruptly f-16 will be those that were in service. Maybe, in addition, an order for F15 will be issued .. With a perspective on Iran.
  31. -2
    25 June 2021 14: 36
    Come on, this is a wonderful plane. There is still no war, and he already perfectly eats the NATO budget))) And if a war starts, then these flying irons will be knocked out very quickly and without any special losses. So this is a great aircraft, better to fight with it than with the upgraded F15.
  32. +1
    25 June 2021 16: 45
    Yes, there are interesting nuances. Why, for example, Denmark has as many as 27 Lightnings. Who is Denmark going to fight with? With Russia or China? Okay, Russia looks preferable. Nearer. But even into the territory of Russia, the F-35 is not able to fly without refueling in the air or using additional fuel tanks.
    Hey! Does the writer know that NATO is modernizing the airfield network of former members of the Air Force and the Baltic states under a special program? a close-knit flock. Tazh / Denmark made its contribution with strikes on Libya / Operation Odyssey Dawn and in the development of the Unified Protector 1012 UABs were slammed into the enemy. Our allies, Belarusians, Armenians or Tajiks, did they drop at least one pot on Assad's enemies? So I would advise the writer to be more careful in evaluations. And even more so, combat strike aviation, which has an extremely dangerous property - to quickly focus on an extensive airfield network along the entire extended state border of the enemy. And there are many more fabrications in the article, but laziness, guys, to discuss. Today I am going on vacation for two weeks. Cool mood!)))
  33. -1
    25 June 2021 16: 52
    The UK, Italy, Norway, Belgium, the Netherlands, Poland and Denmark have ordered a total of 297 F-35 aircraft for a total of $ 35,4 billion. And this is only part of the amount, because the planes will require maintenance, which will also cost more than one billion until these F-35s will fly.

    As for me - these unfortunate 297 fly by MAXIMUM 1 month from the beginning of the war against us - and this is an OPTIMISTIC time laughing In modern war, after all, everything flying-shooting-floating is an expendable material, after all good Here is the question - what for to buy them, if you do not fight against the barmaley ?! belay
    1. 0
      14 August 2021 07: 37
      Quote: Corona without virus
      As for me - these unfortunate 297s fly for a MAXIMUM 1 month since the beginning of the war against us - and this is an OPTIMISTIC time laughing In a modern war, after all, everything flying, shooting, floating is a consumable, because it's good. !

      Well, "in the event of a modern war" and you will not live more than a month, but rather more than a few days. And then, if you're lucky ...
  34. +2
    25 June 2021 17: 37
    And f22 is so bad? It seems, apart from the price of it, there were no such complaints as the "Penguin".
    1. +1
      27 June 2021 20: 33
      This rather strange statement of the author also surprised me.
      The Raptor is just a well-developed and powerful machine, unlike the Lightning, which initially flies at the limit of its capabilities.
  35. +1
    26 June 2021 11: 15
    Novel! You, in pursuit of the speed of writing, missed and messed with information) 40-year-old Tornado for Denmark? F-15 in Turkey? And the article itself turned out to be weak for you. Israel never spreads about its army in a negative way - this is a secret, like China by the way. And as for the loser F-22, it is generally a fiasco!
  36. +2
    26 June 2021 15: 36
    Strange, I got used to the obscure information of the "Military Review" with figures and a comparison of significant parameters. The presentation of an amateurish article without a detailed analysis is not an expert opinion!
    Sadly, this information has already been picked up by many jingoistic patriots and present it as the ultimate truth ...
  37. +3
    26 June 2021 18: 07
    Quote: Dreamcat
    So, what do we have at this stage, specifically what the Su-57 is and how it differs from the F-22 and 35.
    1) The world's first combat fighter with optional unmanned mode
    2) The world's first fighter capable of carrying hypersonic missiles.
    3) The world's first fighter with actually working stealth technology (none of the 57x transfers to the SAR were tracked by the radars of either Israel, Turkey, or NATO as a whole.
    4) The world's first fighter capable of flying drones as part of a single complex
    5) flight characteristics exceeding even the flight characteristics of the Su-35 of the most maneuverable MFI in the world.
    6) Immediately after the Su-57 was put into service (December 2020), the production of the F-35 was completely stopped and their purchase was stopped. Coincidence? I don’t think so.
    7) And this is only from the known

    Hmm ... Where such manuals are written ...
  38. 0
    27 June 2021 12: 07
    Quote: Dreamcat
    A huge mass of information on the performance characteristics of Sukhoi is in the public domain! We google and we are not lazy!) And about the first point about which a lot is known, including the advanced AI on board the 57th, it's a shame not to know! ;)

    AI? On board? Cholet TV star on air?
  39. 0
    27 June 2021 13: 50
    Quote: Dreamcat
    I understand that for you this is a shock and a fantasy, but the engineers have no time for jokes, all the more so now we need to make full use of the US lagging behind in the field of combat aircraft)

    US lagging behind in combat aircraft? Who believes in this nonsense !?
  40. 0
    27 June 2021 15: 30
    [quote = Shahno] As if I do not quite understand the pathos of some of my colleagues at VO .. The circuit and the glider were taken by us, to the heap and with the engine, and it turned out to be quite a very effective technique. Our 27-29 units have no problems and regularly perform tasks, together with F16. Coverage issues and other software and loss of control issues have been resolved.
    So I wouldn't be very happy ..
  41. 0
    27 June 2021 16: 07
    Quote: Blackgrifon
    Quote: ramzay21
    You are urging us not to do anything, just to operate Soviet aircraft, developed 40 years ago, considering them the most modern means. You stubbornly do not want to see our lag

    Oh, it’s not good to lie - kindly request QUOTE, where I CALLED NOT TO DO ANYTHING?

    Quote: ramzay21
    The price of the F35 is less than the Su 35, that's a fact.

    The cost of the Su-35S is 2 billion rubles. (about $ 27 million)
    The cost of the F-35 is from 84 to 108 million dollars.
    Where is it cheaper?

    I can’t disagree. Yes, indeed, the price of the F35 is twice as high as that of the Su 35. My personal opinion is that we regard it as a kind of pilot project. And you can pay twice for a pilot project.
    Ps. To date, the figures have changed a bit. I have a question, what Turkey did not rush to buy ...
  42. -2
    27 June 2021 20: 30
    Quote: Bradley
    The A F 35 has already been produced in more than 500 numbers and is the most combat-ready aircraft in the US Air Force.

    655 pieces to be exact.
    If it were really bad, then it would not be purchased in such volumes. Here, force or not force, and no one will buy junk.
    There is very little information on many aircraft, specifically about the problems they have. The JSF program publishes these problems, which not every vendor does.
    Publishing problems with the aircraft is only beneficial, because the problems will have to be solved. And if you keep silent about the problems, then nothing good will come of it.

    You are clearly in a parallel reality.
    Examples of vparivanie junk in the modern Sea.
    Apple products, tesla bins with the quality and durability of basement China are prime examples.
    In terms of characteristics, they do not stand up to criticism in comparison with competitors, but people hawk, and even praise.
    And no "self-regulating market" is not a decree.
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      29 June 2021 19: 55
      The situation will change dramatically when a high-power electric generator is installed on the f-35, I think that the f-35 was originally designed around this hypothetical generator which is not yet installed due to the lack of a suitable laser cannon, but the program for the construction and operation of this aircraft is designed for thirty years and the cannon will definitely appear, perhaps it is already on the way.
  43. 0
    4 July 2021 17: 59
    Ha ha! Finishing off the remaining Su-27s from the Union, without even a shadow of hope for their own aviation industry, all that remains is to throw mud at a successful neighbor.
  44. 0
    20 July 2021 21: 49
    Experimental sparring battles of the F-35 with the fourth generation aircraft (F-15, F-16, F-18) confirmed their calculated advantage with a score from 16: 0 to 14: 1! A trifle ...
  45. 0
    28 July 2021 09: 52
    Israel fought on the equipment that it could get hold of. And fought well, I must say. And now it produces modern weapons. And the F-35 they will fly and are already in use. All aircraft always have some flaws, including ours, which eventually are eliminated and brought to mind. Israel is also doing this now.
  46. 0
    28 July 2021 10: 28
    All these are childhood illnesses. The main drawback of the F-35, its cost. It is a combat aircraft, which means that if something happens, there will be losses. From air defense for sure. Invisibility is a fairy tale for the layman. Specialists will say that the stealth configuration is all just a complication of the task for the seeker of air-to-air missiles. And even then, not for everyone. No, of course, against the aircraft of the 3rd generation and their armament F-35 imba.
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      14 August 2021 07: 42
      Quote: shinobi
      All these are childhood illnesses. The main drawback of the F-35, its cost. It is a combat aircraft, which means that if something happens, there will be losses. From air defense for sure. Invisibility is a fairy tale for the layman. Specialists will say that the stealth configuration is all just a complication of the task for the seeker of air-to-air missiles. And even then, not for everyone. No, of course, against the aircraft of the 3rd generation and their armament F-35 imba.

      What can you say about the Su-57 in this regard?
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        17 August 2021 08: 40
        Yes, the same thing I will say. The only thing that distinguishes 57 from 35 is that our developers do not rely only on stealth. Stealth, this is an additional bonus. Although comparing 57 and 35 is incorrect, devices of different weight categories. Here are 75 versus 35, here, yes, to the cashier. 75 still does not fly, but the Yankes already have hysteria in smish "experts"
  47. 0
    16 September 2021 21: 45
    The F-35 is successful ... as a commercial project) Selling such expensive shit, and even to the same Europeans who have to stand behind their aircraft industry as a wall, is not a success, this is a mega-success of American sellers in my understanding. But again, everything is relative. The same Su-30, and without any-yak - sold many times better and at the time of release - was completely "finished", not like that shit.
    As for the performance characteristics, the F-35 is really interesting precisely as a modern station wagon and when it will be brought to mind ... and if only the price tag was adequate. On the other hand, there is NO DIFFERENCE than to drive aborigines who do not have normal aviation and air defense - either 35m, 16m or 18m.
    If you look at the fight with a real enemy - at high altitudes and long distances - the F-35 completely blows our ancient MiG-31. Like a bomber - again, it blows the Su-34 clean. As a fighter - it sucks on medium Su-35s, on the close ones - MiG-35s. Yes, as a station wagon - it outperforms the old Su-30 ... if it wasn't for the price, and then he lied to the fullest. No wonder the same Poland, why doesn't it want the f-35, but is thinking about buying a used F-16, for example)
    And the author too. The F-22 is a good plane, although expensive, not the same shit as the F-35. A long-range fighter, the equal of which is perhaps the Su-57, which is just beginning to enter our Air Force. The fact that the Americans did not sell it anywhere - 2 reasons. 1st - stupidly the congress banned if that directly. Second, only a few countries in the world can now have non-universal aircraft in the Air Force. The rest are beyond their powers, they need EXACTLY a versatile person. Nobody from the western block would buy an F-22, except perhaps Israel