The most "cinematic" military revolver

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The most "cinematic" military revolver
“Where is the tiger! I'll tame him! " Perhaps this is the very first film in the USSR, where the German Reichsrevolver M1879 was shown so well

Maybe in swamp Bengal,
Where everything turns to dust
Perhaps in the mountains of the Transvaal,
Perhaps - in the Afghan mountains,
By the black Sudanese wells
On the fast Burmese river
One day you happen to
To stand on the bloody sand.
(Gordon Lindsay)


History firearms weapons. Let's think, which revolver from those adopted at different times we most often see in the movies?



Sometimes this can be followed by a lot of interesting discoveries. Well, let's say, such a revolutionary film as Lenin in 1918. What revolver is there most often flashes on the screen? Revolver? No, not a revolver, but a Browning M1900 pistol. Kaplan also shoots Lenin from it, and all the Chekists, including Vasily, run with him.

Well, what about such classics as "Wedding in Malinovka" or "White Sun of the Desert"? The latter is dominated by "revolver" and "Mauser", but there is also something unusual there. As, however, in the epic about Sherlock Holmes and Dr. Watson, with the idiot Lestrade, who in one of the episodes shows them his "weapon" from his back pocket.

Or GDR Indian films ... Are the characters armed with something other than the Winchester?

And now, if we look closely, we will see that the "American" dragoons in the Indian films of the studio "DEFA", and in the same "White Sun ..." a very strange revolver. That is, in European cinema, it is not the Colt that is the most popular revolver, but there are others, for example, Vebley-Scott. And, again, even in the "movie about the Indians."

But there is another revolver, which we also often see in our Soviet and Gadeer films, although not everyone knows what it is.

Well, I, like many, first saw this revolver in the movie "Striped Flight". At first it belonged to a foreign tamer, whose white leggings were torn by our tiger. Then, as you know, the monkey became the owner of the revolver, and she brought fear to the ship's crew.


Shot from the movie "Striped Flight" with Reichsrevolver M1879 in the paws of a monkey


And here's how she shoots from it. Look at her paw ...

Then there were "Wedding in Malinovka" (1967) and "White Sun ..." (1969), where for some reason many of Abdullah's bandits were armed with this revolver.


First bandit


The second bandit scares Vereshchagin with them ...


The third bandit, and this one "revolver" in his right hand seemed not enough, and he took M1879 in his left


But what's sticking out of Popandopulo's left pocket? The same revolver. Apparently, our "filmmakers" considered it right to arm bad characters with such revolvers

What attracted them to this revolver?

Most likely, it was large in size and in its appearance, since it was completely different from the well-known "revolver".


By the way, it was probably because of its size that Lestrade was given it. Because the puny-looking, he looks especially comical with him!

British police detective Lestrade with the Reichsrevolver M1879 is definitely something!

Well, and the fate of this revolver (only not cinematic, but real, combat) is also very interesting and quite worthy of being told about it here and now.

Reichsrevolver M1879


And it so happened that it was adopted by the German army in 1879, that is, later than the American "Smith and Wesson" in Russia. The requirements for the revolver from the German military were very similar to those of many others: "national design" and production, simplicity, both in production and in service, and, of course, "accurate and powerful combat." The very same word Reichsrevolver meant that this revolver is officially in service with the German army.

It was the main personal weapon in the German armed forces until 1908, after which it began to be replaced by the Parabellum pistol.


Reichsrevolver M1879. Right view

Moreover, its creators managed to achieve everything that the military demanded of them.

But next to many other revolvers of those years, he looked somehow surprisingly conservative, was very bulky and, to top it off, had a very uncomfortable grip. It is not clear why an annular thickening was made on the muzzle. Such barrels were known, for example, they stood on "Queen Anne's pistols" (which we have already talked about here) and called them "cannon barrels". However, there was no point in this ring. But there was a certain meaning in the ring on the handle. A strong cord was inserted into it, with which the revolver clung to the ammunition, so that in case of something it would not be lost.


Reichsrevolver M1879. Left view

The length of the Reichsrevolver of the 1879 model was 345 mm, with a barrel length of 181 mm. Despite its large size, it weighed 1,03 kg without cartridges, that is, less than one would expect.

The bore had four grooves that curled to the right. The 10,6 × 25-mm R cartridge was, however, almost an exact copy both in size and power of the .44 Russian cartridge and had the same welt on the sleeve. By the way, surprisingly, the 10,6 mm cartridges used in this revolver not only became standard for the German army at the end of the 1939th century, but were also on sale until XNUMX.


Colt .32 1892 (above) and Reichsrevolver M1879

The frame of the revolver is one-piece, there was no extractor (the sleeves were knocked out with a special ramrod, stored separately from the revolver). But a detachable drum was provided. So, in principle, having fired off one drum and having another loaded, it was not so difficult to reload the M1879. In any case, it could have been done faster than reloading the same, and more recent, revolver.

A flag-type fuse was provided on the left of the case. The trigger mechanism was single action. That is, this revolver could not shoot self-cocking. The rate of fire was six shots in 15–20 seconds. Bullet muzzle velocity - 205 m / s. Sighting range - 50 m. Maximum range - 400 m. Drum capacity - six rounds.


Diagram of the device revolver Reichsrevolver M1879

All publications note the uncomfortable grip of this revolver. But ... they decided to replace it only four years later.

Reichsrevolver M1883


In 1883, they decided to modernize the revolver and were adopted by the German army as the "Reichsrevolver M1883" (State revolver model 1883), also known as the "Reichs-Commissions-revolver Modell 1883". In the army, it was used as a personal weapon of German officers and also non-commissioned officers in the infantry, cavalry and field artillery. The revolver was more compact, as was the 1880 Smith and Wesson revolver adopted in Russia.


Model 1883 year

The barrel of the new revolver was made shorter and the "ringlet" was removed from it. Shorter barrel - worse accuracy of fire, but this drawback was eliminated by new rifling of the barrel. Finally, the shape of the handle was slightly changed: it became both more curved and shorter. Changed the shape of the frame and the location of the drum axis lock. The weight has become less: 920 grams.


Fuse

Finally, a model with a double-action trigger mechanism appeared, but it was considered a civilian model and was not officially in service with the army, although it is clear that gentlemen officers immediately began to buy it as a personal weapon. The production of civilian models was carried out not only in Germany, but also in Belgium.

Several manufacturers were involved in the manufacture of M1879 Reichsrevolvers. So, about 70% of all revolvers released were manufactured by a group of weapons enterprises in the city of Suhl.

It was the so-called Zul consortium of arms manufacturers, which consisted of companies such as Spangenberg & Sauer, VC Schilling & Cie and CG Haenel & Cie. They produced revolvers for Prussia, Bavaria and Saxony. For example, under a contract dated March 24, 1879, 41000 revolvers were manufactured by the consortium for the cavalry, infantry and field artillery of the Prussian army. Under the 1882 contract, another 9000 revolvers were made specifically for the Prussian cuirassiers.

On January 14, 1882, the consortium received another order from Bavaria for the production of 2795 Reich revolvers, and then for another 428. On March 16, 1882, Saxony signed its first contract with the Zul consortium of arms manufacturers and placed an order for 2000 revolvers. Another 2200 revolvers were ordered by Saxony from the Suhl manufacturers on February 28, 1883.


"Door of Abadi"

Another manufacturer of M1879 revolvers for the German army was the oldest enterprise in Germany by Franz von Dreise.

On March 24, 1879, Prussia signed a contract with her for the manufacture of 19000 revolvers. Bavaria on May 22, 1880 ordered 545 revolvers from Dreise.

Reich revolvers of the 1879 model, made by the Dreise company, have a stamp on the surface of the frame in the form of the text: "Fv DREYSE / SŒMMERDA", enclosed in an oval.

It is interesting that this company produced a revolver with two triggers. The first worked as a self-cocking system. But if he was not squeezed out to the end, then the trigger was put on a half cocking, and then the shooter could pull it down very smoothly by pressing the second trigger, thereby increasing the accuracy of his shot. On the fencing of the trigger for better holding the revolver, as in the Russian "Smith and Wesson", a "spur" was provided.


Drum

Interestingly, the regiments of German cuirassiers used the M1879 revolver before re-equipping them with a carbine in 1888. Non-commissioned officers and trumpeters of the cavalry regiments were armed with this revolver until the appearance of the P08 Parabellum pistol. The Imperial Navy used the M1879 to arm the crews of ships, naval artillery and coastal units until 1906, when the Navy began to actively arm the Sea Luger pistol. But even after that, the M1879 continued to remain in service with various logistic units, support and service units, almost until the very end of the First World War. However, the last cases of the operation of this revolver took place back in 1945, when in Germany they were handed out to folksturmists. Well, captured as trophies, they then migrated to Mosfilm and to the storerooms of the DEFA film studio.


"Abadi's Door" is open ...

It is surprising that heavier than the Russian "Smith and Wesson" (1,03 kg weight of the German versus 1,2 Russian without cartridges), the German officers and soldiers did not cause any particular complaints about the heavy weight. And even more so they had no complaints about the reloading system. What weapon they gave - with that we will fight, apparently, this is exactly what they thought, looking at this weapon.

PS


The author and the site administration would like to express their gratitude to Alain Daubresse for the opportunity to use his photographs.
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  1. +8
    July 5 2021
    Not about a revolver, but still a famous character.
    What kind of model?
    1. +7
      July 5 2021
      What kind of model?

      Some kind of Spanish "aster"? You can't make out very much in full face. drinks
      1. +3
        July 5 2021
        Similar, but no details are visible. request
        1. +3
          July 5 2021
          Similar, but no details are visible.

          Here, and I mean the same. request
          1. +7
            July 5 2021
            Rummaged a little, yet, perhaps, "Astra 300".

            "Savage" will somehow be rougher.
            1. +3
              July 5 2021
              Hello, Kostya!
              Thanks, it looks like. There is also Zhov with this Astra and a silencer.
              1. +4
                July 5 2021
                Hi Sasha! hi
                Honestly rummaged in the net, but I did not find it with a glushak, and I had never met old Asters with a silencer before.
                1. +1
                  July 5 2021
                  I'm talking about a movie! Don't take it seriously! drinks
                  1. +4
                    July 5 2021
                    I just thought it was some kind of filmmaking, but in my opinion it is easier to take a ready-made thing than to invent something "on the knee", especially with them, "over the hill". In Soviet times, ours had problems with imported props, but they shot excellent films, now it's exactly the opposite. request
                    1. +4
                      July 5 2021
                      I'm talking about this one.

                      True, another series.
                      1. +6
                        July 5 2021
                        Wow! It's already scary! wassat But this is most likely 19-11 and Glushak is a common thing for him. And Louis looks older here.
                      2. +4
                        July 5 2021
                        This is Fantomas vs. Scotland Yard.
                      3. +1
                        July 5 2021
                        I saw all this a hundred years ago, and I don't really remember. smile
                      4. +2
                        July 6 2021
                        The sea cat is right, in my opinion, this is the Colt M1911, in that series it is used a lot by different characters.
                        But the muffler, it is quite possible that the props are already suspiciously white, not blued.
                      5. -3
                        July 6 2021
                        I haven't watched Fantomas
                      6. +2
                        July 6 2021
                        Sasha! Hello! No, no. This is the first episode. Namely - "Fantomas"! laughing It was in it that he ran in the guise of Juve.
                      7. +1
                        July 6 2021
                        Hey.
                        Looked for a long time, wrong! love
                      8. +1
                        July 6 2021
                        This is Fantômas in the mask of Commissioner Juve, the make-up artists and the actor himself portrayed the difference for the viewer. :)
                      9. -1
                        July 6 2021
                        Good morning, colleagues, Vyacheslav Olegovich. Something I don't recognize the film
                      10. +2
                        July 6 2021
                        Youth - youth. French classics!
                      11. +2
                        July 6 2021
                        Eh! And they didn’t know what a thrill it was to get on this film! And what rumors were circulating about the fourth part! Allegedly. belay
                      12. +1
                        July 6 2021
                        And you start to feel sorry for them! How much in life they have not seen and, most importantly, they have not felt!
            2. +8
              July 5 2021


              MAB Model D

              Was in service with the French police, gendarmerie and army and other structures
              1. +5
                July 5 2021
                Everything is correct, but the photo is not MAV, look at the shutter cover closer to the muzzle.
                1. +6
                  July 5 2021
                  looking at the shutter cover

                  1. The top line of the pistol at the Juve line. Astra 300 has a characteristic decrease at the time of transition to the cylinder. This is already enough to exclude the Astra 300.
                  2. In the area of ​​the ejector sleeve window, the Astra 300 has a characteristic depression leading to the trunk. Juve's pistol has no.
                  At the time of the film, the Astra 300 is an outdated model, closer in time is the Astra 3000.
                  Astra3000 does not have this depression, but the line of the barrel is even lower than the line of the bolt casing, it is immediately visible.

                  And this is clearly not Juve's pistol.
                  3. In fact, MAV for the duration of the film is a typical French police pistol, like our PM in the Soviet years. Juve's employees are armed with the same - this is the link. And he just has the top line of the bolt casing - a straight line all the way. The edges on the casing near the barrel cut are smeared with poor image quality. Below is a different perspective, these faces are visible. And in this picture, the edges are visible in the back of the casing, which is not the case with the Astra 300.
                  hi
                  1. +2
                    July 5 2021
                    Everything is reasonable and explanatory, but look at the photo, is there a difference? I mean the "valance" in front of the bottom on the casing-shutter MAV.
                    1. +2
                      July 5 2021
                      what is "valance"?
                      if you are talking about the ledge below, both pistols have it, just like the MAV. it's just that different angles with low quality photos make it difficult to compare them.
                      1. 0
                        July 5 2021
                        [quote if you are talking about a ledge below,] [/ quote]
                        About him, only they are different, and not a ledge on the left, but simply a narrowing of the front of the casing. Come on, it's all the same, in principle.
              2. +2
                July 5 2021
                Sergey, I have combined two photos there below, if you are interested, take a look.
            3. +4
              July 5 2021
              Hi Konstantin!
              "Rummaged" a little laughing and found a slightly different angle. Almost in profile. So?
              1. +5
                July 5 2021
                Hello, Sergey! drinks
                Now I will drive both photos into Photoshop and try to figure it out, but first I need to close the greenhouses. smile
                1. +4
                  July 5 2021
                  Well, see for yourself, at the same time, pay attention that the background behind De Funes is different.
                  1. +5
                    July 5 2021
                    The artist was dismantled into its component parts.
                    1. +5
                      July 5 2021
                      Hello, Sergey! hi
                      "Flies separately, cutlets separately?" laughing
                      1. +4
                        July 5 2021
                        Hi Constantine!

                        If it is clever: then the principle of emergence - "The whole is greater than the sum of its elements."

                        And you can't always see a Tale under a microscope.

                        However, you can also remember about Lefty.
                      2. +4
                        July 5 2021
                        "The whole is greater than the sum of the elements that make it up."

                        It is the Whole.

                        And this is the sum of the elements laughing
                      3. +4
                        July 5 2021
                        Cheating.

                        "The king is not real!" (from).
                      4. +3
                        July 5 2021
                        Cheating.

                        You are insulting, Maestro. belay
                        "The king is not real!" (from).

                        But what a destructive force! fellow
                      5. +3
                        July 5 2021
                        And where is the pistol buried in the cartridges?
                      6. +3
                        July 5 2021
                        "Where the dog rummaged" (c) laughing
                        This is to Michal Sergeich, or Chernomyrdin, I don't even remember which of them blurted out. request
                      7. 0
                        July 5 2021
                        It has been used for so long. Thought the expression was older.
                      8. +2
                        July 5 2021
                        Older about the fact that "the dog is buried", and she rummaged at one of these tongue-tied people.
                      9. +2
                        July 6 2021
                        I looked. They say that Gorbachev and Zadornov picked it up.

                        You never know who utters aphorisms.
                      10. +1
                        July 6 2021
                        Where the dog was rummaging now there is a pointer - Cable !!! lol
                      11. 0
                        July 6 2021
                        Or maybe a cable? laughing
                      12. +1
                        July 6 2021
                        Cable. He and the tundra Cable. drinks
                      13. 0
                        July 6 2021
                        Konstantin, I look at the "sum of elements" and see: brass, sleeves without March - for an automatic pistol, probably import.
                      14. 0
                        July 6 2021
                        Hi Vera love
                        Buttercocks 9x19 Para, the most popular product. smile
                      15. 0
                        July 7 2021
                        So I was not mistaken.
                  2. +5
                    July 5 2021
                    these are different moments of the plot
                    in the first photo Juve shows the trick with the third hand to his employees, in the second he actually uses it against crooks.
                    1. +1
                      July 5 2021
                      To be honest, I don’t really remember the film, I watched the movies in my youth. I just wanted to say that there are different pistols in the frames.
                      1. +1
                        July 5 2021
                        it looks like the same pistol, it's just that the picture quality is bad.
                        In any case, this is not an Astra 300 - the cylindrical part at the cut of the barrel is smaller in size than the casing, this characteristic transition in size is clearly visible from all sides - from above, from below and from the side. In Juve, the size decreases towards the cut of the trunk - only from the bottom.
            4. 0
              July 16 2021
              In the photo, the barrel of the one is shorter, something like this.
    2. +8
      July 5 2021
      Most likely in this scene Juve has a French MAB Model D pistol based on the Browning 1911/12 model.

      https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAB_модель_D
      There is a resource that shows the models of weapons from the movies
      In this case, Fantômas was furious.
      http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Fantômas_se_déchaîne
      hi
    3. -1
      July 5 2021
      Model - Louis de Funes) I don't know about the gun)))
  2. +9
    July 5 2021
    British police detective Lestrade with the Reichsrevolver M1879 is definitely something!

    I wonder how Lestrade carried such a thing in the back pocket of his pants - in his own words? wink Thank you for the article!
    1. +5
      July 5 2021
      yes, in the back pocket of your pants and you don't really vilify the bulldog, like any revolver
      1. 0
        July 6 2021
        Quote: Ryaruav
        yes, in the back pocket of your pants and you don't really vilify the bulldog, like any revolver

        You can: "Lady Smith". ... It depends on which pocket.
    2. +4
      July 5 2021
      Well, this is not Levi Straus. The Scotland Yard inspector, according to society, had to dress, if not from the best tailors in London, then at least from the middle ones. In this case, the size of the back pocket of the trousers depends on the thickness of the wallet.
      1. +3
        July 5 2021
        In this case, the size of the back pocket of the trousers depends on the thickness of the wallet.

        Yes, only Lestrade says the phrase about "not empty back pocket", already sitting in the wheelchair. wink That is, he is sitting on a revolver. What do you think stuck more painfully in his ass - the drum or the handle? laughing drinks
  3. +7
    July 5 2021
    What about Dirty Harry?
    1. +9
      July 5 2021
      Revolver Smith & Wesson Model 29 also known as ".44 Magnum".
      But they say that Eastwood actually fired from a revolver with a .44 S&W Special, .44 Magnum, he could not stand it.
      .44 revolvers have been popular among shooting sports enthusiasts in the past, and one of the most common cartridges of this caliber is the .44 S&W Special, developed in 1908 on the basis of the .44 S&W Russian cartridge, which had a very decent accuracy for this caliber.
  4. +12
    July 5 2021
    Was the main personal weapon in the German armed forces until 1908
    Basically, the Reichsrevolver of the 1879 model was intended to equip the cavalry. However, it was also used as a weapon of field artillery, as well as weapons for officers and non-commissioned officers of the infantry. According to the concept of the German General Staff, the main weapon of the cavalry was a saber, a revolver was only a secondary weapon. The main task of officers and non-commissioned officers was to control military units and individual servicemen, and not to fire on the enemy. Probably for this reason, the combat characteristics of the revolver and ease of handling were not given due attention, many note that this revolver not only looks rather conservative, but even at the time of adoption it was morally obsolete. The Reichsrevolver M1879 has a rather simple design. Probably it was the simplicity of the design and the low cost of manufacturing that was the main task in the development of this weapon.

  5. +10
    July 5 2021
    the extractor was absent (the sleeves were knocked out with a special ramrod, stored separately from the revolver)
    The revolver is loaded through a special door located on the right side of the frame. The door opens to the right and down.
    Through the same door, the sleeves are removed. In the holster to the revolver, in a special compartment, a wooden or brass rod was stored, designed to push the sleeves out of the drum chamber.

    1. +5
      July 5 2021
      Any fairly wealthy VO reader can buy a model (MMG) of this wonderful Reichrevolver M1883 on the famous weapons site, in the common people called the Hansa, for some half a million rubles. No queue observed!
  6. +8
    July 5 2021
    And now, if we take a closer look

    Then we will see Reichsrevolver M 1879 in the Soviet "battle film based on newsreels" "If tomorrow is war ..."

    The film was released in 1938. In it, in the course of a fictional war, the Red Army swiftly, easily and courageously smashes and defeats an imaginary enemy in battle.
    1. +8
      July 5 2021
      In the same 1938, the film "Green Hell" was released in Germany - about the rubber fever and the expedition of the British adventurer Henry Wickham, who smuggled Hevea seeds out of Brazil. In the film Reichsrevolver M 1879 is used by overseers on the plantation.

      By the way, it is clearly seen that the revolver is a single action.
      1. +8
        July 5 2021
        And in 1942 the Soviet-Mongolian historical feature film "His name is Sukhe-Bator" was shot. And in it, the "red Mongol" strikes enemies from the Reichsrevolver M 1879.
        1. +3
          July 5 2021
          1957 year. Feature film "Baltic Glory". Reichsrevolver M 1879 in the belt of one of the anarchist sailors, and on a red cord.
          1. +6
            July 5 2021
            This is a film, unique in its lies, even for Soviet cinema, but it was filmed, you bastards, it was great, I watched it in my youth without stopping.
          2. +8
            July 5 2021
            And here is another film with Reichsrevolver M 1879 - "Mandate" - 1964.
            1. +14
              July 5 2021
              And Nestor from "Intervention" already with two
              1. +9
                July 5 2021
                Moreover, nickel plated.
                1. +11
                  July 5 2021
                  Aha! Brilliant! And here is the character of the well-known movie
                  In general, there are a lot of films with him, a storyboard is too lazy to do, otherwise this Levolvert is not only a Mauser in Popandopulo's "Wedding in Robinovka" "at Senor Alvarez Torres ..
              2. +7
                July 5 2021
                "There will be phlegm" (c).
    2. +7
      July 5 2021
      In it, in the course of a fictional war, the Red Army swiftly, easily and courageously smashes and defeats an imaginary enemy in battle.

      - You thought we were poor? And we have thousands of them! (The first role of Vsevolod Sanaev was the commander of the Soviet paratroopers; a phrase about the armada of our aircraft).

      The film is worth watching as an example of propaganda cinematography of those times.
      Although, I read somewhere that the real reviews of the maneuvers (frames of which are presented in the film) were bad. With training and discipline, it was very weak.

      Viktor Nikolaevich, it seems to me, or does the fascist on the left have a Maxim-Tokarev machine gun?

      1. +8
        July 5 2021
        It looks like you're right, they filmed for the lack of fish instead of this one. MG 08/15

        As well as the Reichsrevolver, they were shoved wherever they hit.
        1. +6
          July 5 2021
          Isn't it "Schwazlose" ???
        2. +5
          July 5 2021
          That's for sure. Even in the fairy tale "The Snow Queen".
          1. +3
            July 5 2021
            And he is indestructible, it is difficult to break him even with a sledgehammer. laughing
      2. +5
        July 5 2021
        On the back, it looks more like a "Schwazlose" with an additional shoulder support.

      3. +10
        July 5 2021
        He is a native Austro-Hungarian "Schwarzlose" -
        1. +4
          July 5 2021
          Hi Aleksey hi But you got to the point, and I, foolishly, did not pay attention to the fact that the photo can be enlarged.
          1. +6
            July 5 2021
            It's not about zooming in on the frame. The "cubs" Maxim and "Vickers" have a straight, vertical dorsum. And here it is curved and semicircular. So I remembered that I had already seen something like that either among the Austro-Hungarians or among the Italians. It turned out to be Austro-Hungarian.
          2. +5
            July 5 2021
            You can increase, or you can take another kandr from the film.
            1. +2
              July 6 2021
              You can increase, or you can take another kandr from the film.

              Guys, at first it seemed to me that it was this machine gun, Maxim-Tokarev:

              And now you, Viktor Nikolaevich, have posted a full photo of the invader - I turned out to be wrong. Thank you!
          3. +2
            July 5 2021
            By the way, in the film "If there is war tomorrow" on the set they used as many as seven types of machine guns.
            1. +5
              July 5 2021
              I don’t remember this film at all, most likely I didn’t see it. But because of the machine guns now I will look ... at the soundlessness. laughing
              1. +4
                July 5 2021
                I'll give you a hint.
                DP-27, YES, DT, Maxim M1910 / 30, Colt - Browning M1895, Hotchkiss model 1914, Schwarzlose.
                1. +4
                  July 5 2021
                  Thank you Vic for getting rid of the tedious viewing of this "masterpiece". smile
                  1. +3
                    July 5 2021
                    Thank you Vic for getting rid of the tedious viewing of this "masterpiece".

                    No, he is, after all, extremely interesting. I especially remember the mini-episode where the easel "maxim" together with the detachment to the taken positions of the enemy is delivered by our tankette T-27. That is, the prototype of the armored personnel carrier was already in the minds of our military. hi
                    1. +4
                      July 5 2021
                      What year is it? While our military had a "prototype" hovering, the Germans had already launched them into production since 1938, they began to be the same age. Only some have "vital", while others have already traveled. laughing
                    2. +3
                      July 5 2021
                      What year is it? While our military had a "prototype" hovering, the Germans had already launched them into production since 1938, they began to be the same age. Only some have "vital", while others have already traveled. laughing
                      1. +4
                        July 5 2021
                        While our military had a "prototype" hovering, the Germans had already launched them into production since 1938, they began to be the same age.

                        I already wrote the answer to Sailboat near Ryzhov - the Germans did not hang their officers in 1918, and did not burn them alive. Because of this, their thought worked faster ...
                        Ours also had ideas for armored personnel carriers. First, based on the T-26. Then - "Komsomolets".
                        It was just that a normal half-track tractor or an all-wheel drive truck could not be “lifted” before the war - there was no base for an armored personnel carrier!
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                        July 5 2021
                        Something my site is odd, I was tortured to load pictures, now I looked, and my post with Ganomag was printed twice. "The Great Miracle of Matua" (c) laughing
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                        July 5 2021
                        and my post with Ganomag was printed twice. "The Great Miracle of Matua" (c)

                        Yes, that's why you, the sly one, got two pluses from me - one for the APC. laughing Only that this is not a "Hanomag", but a smaller one - Sd.Kfz. 250
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                        July 5 2021
                        The trouble is with you, experts, don't let me lie. laughing
                        This is Sd.Kfz. 252. Everything, zvizdets, I got tired of trying to upload a picture fifteen times, that's it! There is no more strength, yet, they write that they have inserted protection against flooding. Take the belt, but don't rip it off! Rrrrabotniki, their mother ... am
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                        July 6 2021
                        This is Sd.Kfz. 252.

                        You're lying again! tongue You posted exactly what Sd.Kfz. 250. laughing

                        And the Sd.Kfz you mentioned. 252 was a peaceful transporter of supplies for batteries of assault "shtugs". With an "oblique" stern.



                        And you posted this beast here:


                        Although he had options. With a 37 mm PT cannon:



                        with a 20-mm autocannon in a rotating turret from the Sd.Kfz. 222:



                        with a "cigarette butt" from Pz.4:



                        and others!

                        It would be much more interesting for me to know your opinion about the BTR-40 - after all, you "held it in your hands"! drinks
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                        July 6 2021
                        The Internet got me completely, I'm going to sleep. I wanted to send you a photo by mail, it will not ship again. Everything, fed up, see you tomorrow, today a rare nasty evening.

                        We liked the BTR-40, as simple as a felt boot and a reliable machine. It is hot in summer, cold in winter, but these are the little things of life. soldier
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                        July 6 2021
                        We liked the BTR-40, as simple as a felt boot and a reliable machine. It is hot in summer, cold in winter, but these are the little things of life.

                        I thought so.
                        Everything, fed up, see you tomorrow, today a rare nasty evening.

                        No dirty trick! stop We all love you, but don’t pay attention to the dunduks! Sweet dreams! drinks
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                        July 6 2021
                        The dirty tricks were not from people, at least not from those with whom I communicate here, and the Kremlin is far away.
                        "It is high up to God, far from the king, welcome guests, sir." (C)
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                        July 6 2021
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        I already wrote the answer to Sailboat near Ryzhov - the Germans did not hang their officers in 1918, and did not burn them alive. Because of this, their thought worked faster ...

                        So our commanders' thought also worked quickly. And then they came with this thought to the industry - and everything went to dust.
                        For armored personnel carriers, you need a serial compact engine with a power of 120-150 hp. And with engine building, we initially had a complete polar fox. Before the war, we have either serial engines with 85 hp, or 300 hp at once. (GMC-4-71 is not yet available). It was not because of the good life that the T-70 had to fence the GAZ-203 and suffer with it for a year.
                        So I had to pervert with ersatz on the basis of the T-26.
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                        July 6 2021
                        For armored personnel carriers, you need a serial compact engine with a power of 120-150 hp.

                        Aleksey, even the post-war BTR-40 and BTR-152 had weaker engines.
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                        July 6 2021
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        Aleksey, even the post-war BTR-40 and BTR-152 had weaker engines.

                        Well, at least 110 hp. - like the BTR-152.
                        With the available 85 hp. only LB-62 can be made. And then, even tires will have to be purchased for him abroad.
                      12. +1
                        July 6 2021
                        And then, even tires will have to be purchased for him abroad.

                        Yes, I did. On imported rear single "ground-grips" he walked better than on gable "shur-gri".
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                    July 5 2021
                    Thank you Vic for getting rid of the tedious viewing of this "masterpiece".

                    You should also see "Hot Days" and "Tankers". Do you know which movie is one of my favorites? "Peter the First"! good
                    Uncle Kostya, Stalin's pre-war films are a separate phenomenon in the world of cinematography. fellow For example, the cinema of the Third Reich is not interesting to me - this Reich ended badly. negative And our films - yes, you have to watch. Required. Yes To see how the ideas themselves developed, how the artists' play grew stronger. Separately - look at the film "Mashenka", one of the few showing the Soviet-Finnish war. The film was made in 1942, and they didn’t know how to end the Germans, but films - good, life-affirming ones - were shot. soldier Yes, in that film, two T-26 series are even shown. good And I'll mail it to you now. Look with your wife! drinks
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                      July 5 2021
                      I saw Mashenka, there the main male role, it seems, is Pereverzev playing?
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                        July 5 2021
                        there the main male role, like, Pereverzev plays?

                        The Lord is with you, Mikhail Kuznetsov! Cousin of "Comrade Sukhov". drinks
                      2. +1
                        July 5 2021
                        I say I watched it for a long time, it means that in some of the films of that time, Pereverzev also plays a major role. Although I like him most of all in the role of the submarine commander in "Blue Arrow". good drinks
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                        July 6 2021
                        Although I like him the most in the role of the submarine commander in "Blue Arrow".

                        And it seems to me that his greatest roles are Admiral Ushakov.
                        Do you remember the movie "Ships Storm the Bastions"? Do you know what the name of the artist was that occasionally played the emperor Paul?

                        Pavel Pavlovich Pavlenko ...



                        Give time, Uncle Kostya, I will get to him in my research for the good of VO and honest company ... You will have about Pavel! drinks
                      4. +1
                        July 6 2021
                        "Ships storm the bastions" I love since childhood. smile
                      5. +1
                        July 6 2021
                        "Ships storm the bastions" I love since childhood.

                        I was in those parts. True, not in Corfu, but in Zakynthos. There is even a monument to Ushakov, but I, dunduk, did not see him! The admiral also visited there, as well as on the neighboring island - Fecalonia Kefalonia.
                        In fact, Ushakov organized the first Greek independent state, for which they honor the naval commander.
                        Here is this monument:
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                        July 6 2021

                        And Fyodor Fyodorovich, who knew about the words of the Algerian about the cage, shook his fist at him: - Seid-Ali, idler! I will wean you from making such promises to the Sultan!
                        January 30 2018
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                      7. +1
                        July 6 2021
                        - Seid-Ali, bum! I will wean you from making such promises to the Sultan!

                        Straight Spartan in spirit! Pay attention to the portrait attached by you. The uniform is already Alexander's - with a high standing collar, and shoulder straps on both shoulders. But the admiral also proudly wears the "Maltese cross" he received from Paul. soldier
                      8. +1
                        July 6 2021
                        So all the crosses for the cause were received soldier
                      9. +2
                        July 6 2021
                        So all the crosses for the cause were received

                        Duck naturally!

                        We disassemble the portrait.
                        The highest order received by the admiral is the Order of St. Alexander Nevsky. His red ribbon runs over his shoulder, half of the star of the order peeps out from under it. The order had only one degree, and, in fact, it was received by those who, by some merits, "did not reach" the highest award of the Republic of Ingushetia - the Order of St. Andrew the First-Called.
                        Below is a star from the Order of St. George, 2nd degree. The large white cross of the same order is located on the neck.
                        The "stars" are closed by the Order of St. Vladimir, 2nd degree. A red cross from him also hangs around his neck. The star is not very ordinary in shape, but there were such, at least during the time of Alexander I:


                        But in the degrees of the Order of St. John of Jerusalem - "Maltese cross" - I'm not strong, unfortunately. But do you remember when we discussed the clear mark from him on Paul's uniform?

                        And Paul really didn't like the Order of St. George. But he generously distributed "Maltese crosses"! A unique award in Russian history! drinks
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                        July 6 2021
                        But do you remember when we discussed the clear mark from him on Paul's uniform?

                        No, I don't remember anymore. Why just a trace?
                      11. +1
                        July 6 2021
                        No, I don't remember anymore. Why just a trace?

                        More than a year ago I sent you a photo of the emperor's uniform, taken with my own hand. The star of St. Andrew the First-Called remained, and next to it there was an imprint of a small Maltese cross - the same in the portrait of Ushakov to the right of the "stars" of Alexander Nevsky and St. George.
                        I can't insert a photo - the site does not load such sizes, its limit is up to 5 mb. recourse
                        I'll send it in the evening, remember.
                      12. +1
                        July 6 2021
                        Send it, I'll love it. smile
                      13. +1
                        July 6 2021
                        Send it, I'll love it.

                        You and I then discussed what kind of incomprehensible order "Alexander I" from the series "Napoleon" had ... wink



                        It is clear that the filmmakers tried to portray the Order of St. Andrew the First-Called ... lol But the stretched figure of the saint reminded me personally of a rearing bear. fellow
                        Lecha-Lexus was even more categorical - "this is the order of the name of the lemur-sifaki!" laughing What about? Looks like it! drinks



                        Well, and the ribbon at the "king" is not the color of the topic. In general, with regard to uniforms, it seems that the series is made on the knee. what
                      14. +2
                        July 6 2021
                        So this is Alexander on the right in the photo? wassat
                        Well, then this is a portrait of Napoleon. laughing
                      15. +4
                        July 6 2021
                        Well, then this is a portrait of Napoleon.

                        I thought you would post another portrait of the great commander ... wink

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                        July 6 2021
                        I love cake more, Masha is great at it. But on occasion, this one is also possible. smile drinks

                        "Zaton", damn it, only "Cordon" and "Dump" are missing.
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                      July 6 2021
                      Quote: Pane Kohanku
                      You should also see "Hot Days" and "Tankers".

                      "Rear of a tank battalion". smile
                      It shows how the entire structure of the battalion was supposed to work on the march, in preparation for battle and in battle - with a regular strength and equipment.
                      1. +1
                        July 6 2021
                        ... with the staffing and equipment availability.

                        Which, unfortunately, was not always the case. When I served myself, my platoon had two tanks instead of three, and we got the third car just before demobilization. This is in peacetime, but what to say about the war.
      4. +8
        July 5 2021
        Sanaev's first role was in the film Volga-Volga (premiered on April 24.04.1938, XNUMX), where he plays his grandfather with a beard.
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          July 5 2021
          Sanaev's first role was in the film Volga-Volga (premiered on April 24.04.1938, XNUMX), where he plays his grandfather with a beard.

          Sergey, welcome! drinks "Vika" writes that "If tomorrow is war" was released on February 23, 1938, and "Volga-Volga" - on April 24 of the same year. In general, God knows, the merits of a great artist are not negated. drinks Do you remember him in "Hearts of Four", where he plays a Red Army billiard player?
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            July 5 2021
            Naturally, I remember. This film is full of historical shots, in particular, the Moscow children's railway, where it now intersects with Semashko Street in Zhukovsky. then it was just a move.
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              July 5 2021
              Naturally, I remember.

              I am not strong in Moscow geography, I confess. The last time I visited you was at the end of 2010 - I visited the Railway Museum at the Rizhsky station, then I went to Zelenograd for training.
              And Stalin's cinematography is a separate GOOD phenomenon! Yes I already wrote above, in response to Uncle Kostya. There is also one of my favorite films - "True Friends". drinks The era is no longer Stalin, but the film only evokes good feelings. Romance!
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                July 5 2021
                Yes, True Friends is a classic good Stalinist film. Liberation then had not yet had time to unfold in cinema (it had already been unfolded in literature). The Moscow children's railway started from the "Otdykh" station of the Ryazan direction and went to the Kratovskoye lake (in fact, this is a pond on the Khripanka river), only 3,8 km, goes among the dachas, comes almost to the pioneer camp of Russian Railways. In the USSR, there were only 9 children's railways. - in Tbilisi, Orenburg, Stalingrad, etc. At the time of filming the film "Hearts of Four" in some places the road went through the forest, now this is no longer there.
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                  July 5 2021
                  At the time of filming the film "Hearts of Four" in some places the road went through the forest, now this is no longer there.

                  In Leningrad, we had a children's railway in Sosnovka Park, which is in the north of the city ... what
                  I recommend visiting Pereyaslavl-Zalessky - there is a very good museum of a narrow-gauge railway. There is a local art gallery in one of the monasteries (there are even sketches of the Black Sea Fleet before WWI - the battleship George the Victorious) and the Museum of the Amusing Flotilla of Tsar Peter!
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                    July 5 2021
                    On occasion I will visit Pereyaslavl, I have never been.
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                      July 6 2021
                      On occasion I will visit Pereyaslavl, I have never been.

                      Very nice, "warm" town. The main museum in the Goritsky Assumption Monastery. Nearby is the Museum of the Amusing Flotilla, then drive 15-20 kilometers - there will be a turn to Talitsy, a museum of the narrow-gauge railway. Half of the exhibits there are cars. There is a rare specimen of FAI-M, the remains of this armored car were found near Novgorod and restored.

                      Here's what happened:


                      And here's what happened:


                      Also - the city center - the remains of the ramparts, the Trubezh bank, the Transfiguration Cathedral (Alexander Nevsky was born next to it). And discover the rest of the sights yourself! drinks
  7. +12
    July 5 2021
    Several manufacturers were involved in the manufacture of M1879 Reichsrevolvers.
    On the surface of the frame of the revolvers on the left side under the drum, the brand of the manufacturer of the weapon was applied. Reichsrevolvers of the 1879 model, issued by the Suhl Consortium (Reichsrevolver M1879 produced by Suhl Consortium) had a stamp consisting of the first letters of the Consortium enterprises and the name of the city of the weapon manufacturer, enclosed in an oval: “S&S. / VCS / CGH / SUHL ".
    Another manufacturer of 1879 revolvers for the German army was the company of Franz V. Dreyse. On March 24, 1879, Prussia signed a contract with her for the manufacture of 19000 revolvers. Bavaria on May 22, 1880 ordered 545 revolvers from Dreise. Reichsrevolvers of the 1879 model, manufactured by the Dreyse company (Reichsrevolver M1879 produced by Franz V. Dreyse) have a stamp on the surface of the frame in the form of the text: "Fv DREYSE / SŒMMERDA", enclosed in an oval.
    Reichsrevolver M1879 produced by Gebrüder Mauser & Cie is recognizable by the distinctive mark on the oval frame with the text “GEBR MAUSER & CIE / OBERNDORF”. The Mauser brothers' company, under a contract dated October 1879, 31, manufactured 1879 revolvers for Bavaria. In addition, in December 5003, the kingdom of Württemberg signed a contract with the Mauser company, for which 1879 M3000 Reich revolvers were manufactured.
  8. +12
    July 5 2021
    On the left side of the faceted part of the barrel of the M1879 rehsrevolvers, a characteristic marking was applied, indicating that the weapon belonged to one or another kingdom of the German Empire. The revolvers of Prussia were stamped with an eagle. Bavarian weapons are marked with the letters "GF". On Saxon revolvers, the branding of the intertwined letters "AR" under the crown resembles the image of an elephant. Proof marks Württemberg, the so-called "deer antlers" vaguely resemble waves.
  9. +8
    July 5 2021
    A brutal "cannon", ideal for negative cinematic characters.))) As a child, in the same "White Sun of the Desert" I was outraged: Sukhov with a modest "Nagant", and Abdullah with a gorgeous "Mauser". Where's the justice? But ours win, because "Strength, brother, in truth" ...))) Vyacheslav, thank you for the interesting story!
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    July 5 2021
    Serial numbers are printed on the left side of the revolver frame, on the left side of the barrel at the kingdom's mark, as well as on the frame cover. In addition, serial numbers are printed on all parts of the weapon, including the grip cheeks. The last two digits of the number are indicated on the screws and other small parts of the weapon. On the inclined edge of the barrel on the left, the caliber of the weapon is "10,65". The weapon was produced in 1881 on the left side of the frame under the drum axle lock lever. In the Reichsrevolver M1879, all drum chambers are numbered. The numbering is visible on the outside of the drum between the beats.
  11. +12
    July 5 2021
    Reichsrevolver model 1879 was supplied with a special holster.
    Usually the Reichsrevolvier holster is made of brown leather. The holster flap has a metal buckle. A slot is made in the upper part of the holster, as a result of which the handle of the weapon remains free. The holster does not have compartments for storing spare cartridges. A set with 18 rounds was stored next to the holster in a special case.
  12. Amazing! I have never paid attention to the fact that there is no "revolver" in the frames of our films, although I have reviewed them once!
    Thanks Vyacheslav Olegovich!
  13. +8
    July 5 2021
    Good evening everyone, thank you Vyacheslav for an interesting and somewhere and even funny article. smile
    Reichsrevolver M1883.

    It is the same in comparison with the first model.

    Well, the "variety" with self-cocking, with two triggers and with a "spur".

    What attracted them to this revolver?

    Nothing special. I don’t know about other studios, but at Mosfilm there was a problem with revolvers - only Nagans and Smiths, so they shoved them into every film where there was something not quite similar to the usual Nagant. In the eighties the gunsmiths of Mosfilm were presented with "Python", the Office benefited, so the guys almost did not give it to anyone for shooting, it was a pity for a good thing. smile
  14. +2
    July 5 2021
    ... heavier than the Russian "Smith and Wesson" (1,03 kg weight of the German versus 1,2 Russian without cartridges)

    That is, it was lighter, not heavier.
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    July 5 2021
    Rougeau is like a Rougeau, of which there were a lot in the storerooms of film studios, it seems to me, because of its appearance and caliber.
  16. 0
    July 6 2021
    (((It is surprising that the heavier than the Russian "Smith and Wesson" (1,03 kg weight of the German versus 1,2 Russian without cartridges), did not cause any particular complaints about the heavy weight from the German officers and soldiers. And even more so they had no complaints about the reloading system. What weapon they gave - with that we will fight, apparently, this is exactly what they thought, looking at this weapon.)))
  17. +1
    July 6 2021
    Quote: Undecim
    And now, if we take a closer look

    Then we will see Reichsrevolver M 1879 in the Soviet "battle film based on newsreels" "If tomorrow is war ..."

    The film was released in 1938. In it, in the course of a fictional war, the Red Army swiftly, easily and courageously smashes and defeats an imaginary enemy in battle.

    cheers for patriotic films / books / songs / slogans, etc. are mandatory elements of propaganda at all times;)
  18. +3
    July 6 2021
    Oh me ...! Will give an ist fantastish! Gitlya kaput! There were also other German revolvers, acre "Mauser"! In many ways, they were "similar" to each other; and the "Mauser"! Personally, I highlight Dreise's needle revolver ...

    Still, in its own way, an original piece! fellow wink
    Unfortunately, now I don't have time to "paint" this revolver ... but I propose instead a "vidos" about this ghana ...
  19. +3
    July 6 2021
    It is surprising that heavier than the Russian "Smith and Wesson" (1,03 kg weight of the German against 1,2 Russian without cartridges),
    Heavier 1030 grams than the Russian "Smith and Wesson" weighing 1200 grams (without cartridges of course). Initial mathematics from V. Shpakovsky. 1030 grams is heavier than 1200 grams.
  20. +1
    July 10 2021
    44 caliber is not 10,6 but 10, this is on the grooves, and so the caliber of the bullet is 67mm.

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