Planetary race

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6 August surface of Mars touched the Curiosity research apparatus. The MSL project (Mars Science Laboratory - Martian Science Laboratory) has aroused great interest from the broad masses. The excitement about the flight of Curiosity can be compared only with the reaction to the flights of the Soviet "Lunokhod". For a number of reasons, the Soviet Union and Russia have not yet been able to send a self-propelled research station to the Red Planet, but so far our country owns many other achievements related to the "planetary race." So, our country is still leading in the number of celestial bodies on which domestic equipment landed.

Mars rover Curiosity on Mars




An account of the visited celestial bodies was opened on September 14 1959, when the Soviet automatic station Luna-2 reached the surface of the natural satellite of the Earth and made a hard landing. The scientific equipment of the station was relatively simple. However, during the flight all the planned studies were carried out, and a memorable pennant with the coat of arms of the USSR was delivered to the moon. In addition, the Soviet space industry once again showed its potential - before the Moon-2, not a single device landed on the surface of other planets and satellites. After the “Moon-2”, before the 1977 program was closed, another 13 of the Soviet automatic stations reached the surface of the Moon and executed the research program, in whole or in part. The Luna-17 and Luna-21 devices are also known for delivering the Lunokhod-1 and Lunokhod-2 self-propelled research complexes to the Earth satellite, respectively. It is worth noting that the "Lunokhod-1" was the world's first rover, successfully landed on the surface of a celestial body.

The main and only competitor of the Soviet Union in space exploration, the United States, was able to send its apparatus to the surface of the Moon much later. So, the station Ranger 4 touched the surface of the satellite only in April of 62. In addition, all the devices of the program "Ranger" was not intended for a soft landing. They made measurements and took pictures of the surrounding space only until a collision with the solid surface of the satellite occurred. The first American soft landing on the moon, during which the equipment did not suffer, took place only in the 1966 year. At the beginning of June, the American Surveyor 1 unit successfully sunk into the Flemsteed crater. It is worth noting that even here the American device could not be the first - on January of the same year, the Soviet automatic station Luna-31 made a soft landing on the satellite. As for self-propelled vehicles, in this area the Americans, too, have lagged behind for several months. Their first lunar car, the LRV, intended for the transportation of astronauts, became part of the Apollo 9 expedition equipment and was tested in real conditions only at the end of July 15, eight months later, Lunokhod-1971.

As you can see, the only "win" of the United States in the moon race applies only to manned flights to the moon. One can argue long about the quantitative and qualitative balance of achievements, but it is better to turn to stories exploring other celestial bodies, such as Venus. For a number of reasons, the United States has never considered Venus as a space research priority. Therefore, the first flight of the automatic station near this planet was carried out by the apparatus of the Soviet development. In May, 1961, the station "Venus-1" passed about a hundred thousand kilometers from the planet. During this phase of the flight due to technical reasons there was no communication with the station. A bit more successful was the flight of the American station Mariner 2. In December, 1962, she passed three times less distance from Venus and managed to gather a number of information. In particular, evidence was obtained of a number of hypotheses regarding the Venusian atmosphere. Starting from the station "Venus-3", almost all Soviet vehicles of this program were intended for descent into the atmosphere. However, at the time of the creation of the third station of the series, several things were not known about the gas envelope of the planet. Therefore, the Venus-3 descent vehicle was quickly destroyed by an aggressive environment. In the future, this feature of the second planet from the Sun was taken into account and began to take measures to protect the equipment of the descent stations as much as possible. Thanks to all the changes, the Venus-5 and Venus-6 stations in January 1969 were able to descend to a relatively small height above the surface, collecting information on the composition, density and other parameters of the Venusian atmosphere during the descent. At the same time, both stations collapsed at an altitude of about 15-20 kilometers or less. Data transmission was stopped when a height of about 18 kilometers was reached.

The first descent to the surface of Venus took place on December 15 70 th. The descent vehicle of the Venus-7 station spent about 53 minutes in the atmosphere of the planet, after which the signal disappeared. It took about half an hour to descend with this parachute, after which the descent vehicle transmitted temperature data for 20 minutes. While entering the Venusian atmosphere, a transmitting telemetry switch failed, as a result of which only information about the ambient temperature was sent to Earth. The remaining sensors, apparently, functioned, but the signal did not pass. Before 1981, seven more automatic stations were sent to Venus to descend to the surface. In 1972, Venus-8 took soil samples, and in the summer of 75, the ninth and tenth stations of the series sent the first black and white photographs of the surface to Earth. In 81, the Venus-13 station recorded sound and color panoramic television from the landing site.

We have to admit that the Americans still managed to land their apparatus on the surface of Venus. In November, the 1978 of the year from the spacecraft Pioneer Venus Multiprobe (often the name “Pioneer-Venus-2”) undocked three descent vehicles designed for atmospheric research. According to the original plans, all four mini-stations were supposed to collapse in the atmosphere, but one of the vehicles was able to reach the surface of the planet and transmitted information from there for about an hour. This unforeseen development of events greatly surprised NASA employees, and also helped to obtain a number of information about the lower atmosphere, which was planned to be studied much later. For a number of reasons of an economic, technical and political nature, the Pioneer-Venus-2 remained the latest automatic spacecraft of the American production, which was intended for Venus research.

The next target of the Earth cosmonautics was the fourth planet of the solar system. It so happened that a lot of legends, literary works, etc. are connected with Mars. However, the study of the Red Planet turned out to be much more difficult than it seemed to the dreamers and writers. In the beginning of the Martian program again the first was the Soviet Union. In October 1960, the automatic station Mars-1960А was launched. Unfortunately, at the fifth minute of the flight, a missile equipment failure occurred and a command was sent to self-destruct. Just four days later, a new booster rocket was launched from Baikonur, on which the Mars-1960B was located, almost the same as the previous one. This time the launch also ended in an accident - because of problems with the rocket engine, the spacecraft burned down in the atmosphere. In the autumn of 62, two more stations were launched to explore Mars, one of which was successful. A few days after the loss of the Mars-1962A apparatus, the Mars-1 successfully entered the Earth orbit. On the approach to Mars, a number of systems failed at the station, due to which the flight program was far from complete. Only information that could be obtained at a relatively large distance from Mars went to Earth.

The United States joined Mars exploration only in 1964. In November, two stations were immediately sent to the Red Planet: the Mariner 3 and the Mariner 4. The first approach to the goal was not able to reset the casing-fairing and deploy solar panels. As a result, the device was left without power supply. In the summer of 65, the next Mariner successfully approached Mars and took some photos. Data transmission to Earth continued until the beginning of October of the same year, when the station went out of the “field of view” of ground receiving and transmitting equipment. Now 3 and 4 “Mariners” rotate in heliocentric orbit. The next flyby of Mars by American vehicles occurred in the summer of 1969. Automatic stations Mariner 6 and Mariner 7 passed near the planet, measured a number of important parameters, and also took a total of a fifth of the surface. After the shooting, they also entered a heliocentric orbit.

Planetary race
Mars-3 station descent vehicle


Until a certain time, the entire study of Mars was reduced to sending automatic stations that were supposed to fly near the planet. In the fall and winter of 1971, the explorations of the Red Planet finally took the form of a real race. With a difference of several weeks, three important events occurred. 14 November NASA announced that their Mariner 9 station had successfully entered Mars orbit. Mariner 9 was the first spacecraft to become an artificial satellite of another planet. On November 27 of the same year, the descent vehicle was undocked from the Soviet Mars-2 automatic station. He was supposed to land on the surface of the planet and conduct a series of studies that are impossible when flying past Mars or in its orbit. The main unit of Mars-2 went into orbit of the planet, and the descent module began maneuvering for landing. Due to errors in programming the descent, a crash occurred: the descent vehicle entered the atmosphere at an excessively large angle, as a result of which it did not have time to brake and crashed. In this “original” manner, the descent vehicle became the first object on Mars that is of terrestrial origin. A pennant USSR was attached to the station building. On December 2, the second landing module was dropped from the Mars-3 space station. He nominally entered the landing path and carried out the first soft landing on Mars. According to the program, the descent vehicle began to transfer the image of the panorama of the landing site. For unidentified reasons, the photograph was a fuzzy image with barely noticeable lines. After about 15-20 seconds after the start of the transfer, the descent vehicle stopped transmitting the signal. Disconnection and loss of the automatic station led to the disruption of one interesting project. On board both descent vehicles were so-called. cross-country apparatuses on Mars (PrOP-M). Miniature vehicles (weight 4,5 kg and dimensions no more than 22-25 cm) were supposed to “walk” on the surface of the Red Planet, using the principle of walking excavator movement. The objective of PrOP-M was to collect information about the nature of the Martian surface and the allowable loads on it. Due to the collapse of one descent vehicle and the disconnection of another PROP-M, they were not planted on Martian soil and did not measure. It is worth noting that with a favorable set of circumstances, mini-mars rovers would become the first self-propelled equipment on Mars.

Further studies of Mars by scientists of both superpowers went with varying success. Successful and unsuccessful missions followed one after another, which greatly hampered the study of the planet. At the same time, almost all the major achievements in the study of Mars have already been “dismantled”. There was only a successful project of the rover. Since the end of the eighties, NASA has expanded its work on this topic. The result of the development was the launch of the Delta II launch vehicle, which took place on December 4 1996. The payload of the rocket was the Mars Pathfinder, which included a descent module and the Sojourner rover. 4 July next year, the descent vehicle safely landed on the surface of the Red Planet. The mission resulted in 17 collecting thousands of photographs of the Martian landscape and 15 soil analyzes.

In January, 2004, two self-propelled vehicles — Spirit and Opportunity — were “landed” on Mars at once. The Mars Exploration Rover research program, during which the landing of two rovers was carried out, implied a series of geological analyzes, as well as the search for evidence of the existence of liquid water on Mars. By now, all the objectives of the program have been fulfilled, and in addition a record has been set for the duration of the planetary rover. Instead of the originally planned three months, the Spirit rover has worked for more than six years, and the Opportunity is still in operation.

It is worth noting that all American projects of rovers were created after the end of the Cold War. There are several explanations for this interesting fact. The most plausible of them concerns the “pumping” of the space industry, which achieved the greatest results already after the need for constant advancing of overseas competitors was no longer necessary. In addition, the lack of competition led to the fact that on board the Curiosity rover are measuring instruments and research equipment produced in different countries, including in Russia. This fact clearly illustrates one obvious thesis: space exploration should be conducted jointly by all developed countries. In addition, as practice shows, joint projects, for some strange reason, turn out to be a little more successful than “our own”.

This approach to the implementation of space programs helps to significantly simplify the work on the development and assembly of spacecraft. Given the complexity and high cost of delivering automatic stations to other planets, this will be useful. On the other hand, the incentive to develop their own projects disappears - joint achievements may not be as pleasant and useful in terms of propaganda as their own. At the same time, the ever-increasing cost of space programs leaves no choice. It is possible that in the very near future there will be no large and serious non-military space projects in the world that will be conducted by countries alone. Therefore, the past achievements of the Cold War may be the latest historical events that will belong to one country, and not to the scientific and technical community. Although, we have to admit, it is very pleasant to realize that it was your country that first sent a man into space, flew over the Earth’s satellite or planet, and also sent her automatic station to it first.


On the materials of the sites:
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/
http://federalspace.ru/
http://infuture.ru/
http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/
http://laspace.ru/
http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/
http://inosmi.ru/
http://astronaut.ru/
http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/
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  1. biglow
    +4
    1 September 2012 10: 11
    international cooperation in planetary exploration is a temporary phenomenon. As soon as any fossil resources are found, normal competition will begin using all available means. History is always repeated.
    1. Lich
      +1
      1 September 2012 14: 13
      biglow,
      This is exactly a person, no matter how he progresses, he does not change. There will always be a race due to the fact that everyone wants to be ahead and is trying to prove how good he is or that he has it and the other one doesn't.
    2. 0
      3 September 2012 12: 08
      Quote: biglow
      regular competition will begin using all available means

      Something similar happened in the movie "Iron Sky"
  2. +7
    1 September 2012 10: 27
    According to the calculations of American scientists, the lunar reserves of helium-3 for five thousand years ahead will provide earthlings with energy. On Wednesday, July 25, said Vladislav Shevchenko - doctor of physical and mathematical sciences, department of research of the moon and planets of the Astronomical Institute of Moscow State University named after Lomonosov. According to him, energy reserves on Earth are not unlimited and will be exhausted on our planet in the coming centuries.
    .
    At the same time, one ton of helium-3 will cost about a billion dollars, provided that the necessary infrastructure for production and delivery from the moon is created. And the 25 billion dollars needed to produce 25 tons of helium is not so much on a global scale, as this is enough to provide earthlings with energy for a whole year. The United States alone spends about $ 40 billion a year on energy, so the benefits are clear.
    On Earth, the helium-3 isotope is produced in very limited quantities, and its annual production amounts to several tens of grams. On the Moon, according to minimal estimates, the reserves of this isotope are approximately 500 thousand tons. During fusion during the reaction of 0,67 tons of deuterium with one ton of helium-3, energy is released that is equivalent to burning 15 million tons of oil.

    Is there life on Mars, was there life on Mars -
    it all seems not just a controversial scientific
    question but also US state secret

    Bird Kiwi
    There is a very interesting article on this subject, though not indisputable, but it is worth considering

    Quote: biglow

    international cooperation in planet exploration is a temporary phenomenon. As soon as any fossil resources are found, normal competition will begin using all available means. The story always repeats.


    Source My webpage
    1. snek
      +6
      1 September 2012 10: 45
      It’s stupid to argue that the future is behind the extraction of minerals in space. But in the present, things are not so simple. Firstly, even if now somewhere to get a few tons of helium-3, the benefit from it will be purely scientific, because so far there are no thermonuclear power plants (there are only experimental reactors). When will they appear? Optimists say in 5-10 years, realists in 15-20 years, pessimists generally say that they may not appear. This is the time.
      Quote: Ascetic
      At the same time, one ton of helium-3 will cost about a billion dollars, provided that the necessary infrastructure for production and delivery from the moon is created.

      The key here is "in terms of creating the necessary infrastructure." What is this infrastructure? Well, firstly, this is, excuse the jargon of the game, harvesters who would run on the surface and collect soil with the subsequent delivery of its processing center. Secondly, this is the enrichment center itself, where helium-3 is extracted from tons of lunar soil (the construction should not be so small). Thirdly, the power plant, which fed all this goodness with energy. Fourth, the system for launching the extracted helium-3 to the ground (if it is a rocket system, then you need fuel, and if, for example, an electromagnetic catapult, then it still needs to be built). And now all this stuff still needs to be delivered, assembled and serviced. And if it also implies that people (engineers, operators, etc.) are constantly there, then the problem becomes even more complicated - they need housing, water, food, air and from time to time a change of crew, so as not to go crazy.
      This is all to the fact that the industrial production of helium-3 is not a prospect for the next 3-4 decades, and at best it will begin towards the end of the century.
      1. zardoz
        +1
        2 September 2012 05: 59
        Still need protection from meteorites and, perhaps, from freeloaders ...
  3. +5
    1 September 2012 10: 27
    ..For a number of reasons, the Soviet Union and Russia have so far failed to send a self-propelled research station to the Red Planet ..
    Let's abandon such streamlined rubber phrases and acknowledge - first of all, the current state of management and management of our space industry is inadequate to the complexity that arises when solving such extraordinary technical problems.
    At the expense of lack of money - no need to lie, now they are being pumped in bulk (.. and our research institute, in its numbers, will plump human ballast right before our eyes ..)
    And where does the money go - for example, this week I caught the eye of three interesting sheets of one document. It turns out that under the third-party scientific research there was a usual discharge of dough into this office

    http://infored.ru/company/82154

    And sometimes an amusing stupor turns out here - the whole division of the dough, the adoption of decisive technical solutions is at the top (and there are at least zero qualifications at the LEADERS 'Research Institute), and down there are pawns without any special rights and resources.
  4. snek
    +2
    1 September 2012 10: 53
    During the Cold War, the "competition" in planetary exploration was more or less on a par. They were doing better with Mars, we were doing better with Venus (to create an apparatus that could survive on its surface is an incredible achievement of Russian engineering). Although here it is necessary to highlight the Voyager program, which made the Americans unequivocal leaders in the study of distant planets (starting with Jupiter).
    Nowadays, of course, even talking about competition is foolish. On Mars, they have two active satellites and two active Mars rovers. Moreover, the example of opportunity, which was designed for 90 Martian days, and has traveled more than 3000, says that their equipment is very good. Yes, an example of four consecutive soft landings on the same Mars (starting with the sojouner) says a lot.
    1. +4
      1 September 2012 13: 34
      Unfortunately, for the umpteenth time, we have to be proud of our achievements in the first years of space exploration, in which the undoubted merit of Sergei Pavlovich Korolev and his team and the collective of KB S.A. Lavochkina (G.N. Babakina).
      For all that, we did not explore Mercury, Jupiter, Saturn and Neptune.
      We did not conduct a radar survey of Venus, although the Earth was monitored by radars in the 80s very actively.
      Our successes in space 50 years ago are impressive, but when did we lose pace?
      When and why, instead of becoming engineers, did young people want to become office hamsters and redneck managers?
      When did the country's leadership miss the initiative? It was not in the 90s, but already in the 80s there were obvious symptoms of gradual degradation.
      I repeat again, to revive interest in the cosmos, state will and DECISIONS are needed, not conversations.
      Otherwise, in 40 years we will only show photos of Gagarin and "Seven".
      1. snek
        0
        1 September 2012 14: 16
        Quote: Cosmos-1869
        Our success in space 50 years ago is impressive

        Well, even today there are reasons for pride - now we are absolute leaders in the market of satellite orbits to Earth. Of course, if you are just proud of it and do nothing, then the Chinese or American private traders will take this market away from us in 5 years.
        Quote: Cosmos-1869
        When did the country's leadership miss the initiative? It was not in the 90s, but already in the 80s there were obvious symptoms of gradual degradation.

        This is a multifactorial and difficult question. According to our space program, the death of the Korolev (whose influence went beyond just design work) was hit very hard. The flight of the Americans to the Moon (let’s not arrange another srach right now was / weren’t, the main thing is that everyone thought that they were then), oddly enough, rather cooled the fervor to space. Something more is a manned flight to Mars, which would be ten times more expensive than the lunar mission and would not be pulled by either the USSR or the USA, but simply flying into orbits became a routine. Many people loved space because it was possible to become the first in something big: the first satellite, the first man in orbit, the first flight to other bodies of the solar system, etc. And the second, third and fourth - this is not so interesting. When the first landing on the moon was broadcast, the whole of America watched with bated breath, and when the last Apollo broadcasts were interrupted by television programs, there were already those who complained that they could not normally watch their series. Somewhere also happened with us. Ramantics is over, and under the routine, which is so needed, it is more difficult to knock out money and get popular approval.
      2. Passing
        0
        1 September 2012 15: 28
        Quote: Cosmos-1869
        Did not conduct a radar survey of Venus

        Here you are wrong, 1983, a radar image of Venus with a resolution of 1-2 km, after computer processing:
        1. 0
          1 September 2012 18: 08
          Guilty, I forgot belay
          "Venus-15, -16", 1983
    2. Passing
      0
      1 September 2012 14: 07
      Quote: snek
      They were doing better with Mars, Venus and I

      A very strange situation, on Venus the missions are mostly successful, and on Mars, failure after failure. Why is there such a huge difference, like most of the devices were made by Lavochkin’s NGO, but all the same, everything works in one direction and doesn’t want to in the other?
      Many see this as evil rock, the work of encrypted Martians, but can it be easier, and is it all about different people who made these devices? Say, a good team created by a sensible leader worked in the direction of Venus, and an unsuccessful staff has historically formed in the direction of Mars, say, there was an initially unsuccessful chief designer. Although it may not even be the whole department that is krivoruky, let’s say, specifically, programmers, precisely because of whose fault many of our Martian missions failed.
      ----------------
      PS: here you can see our images from Venus, and American from Mars:
      http://uzum.livejournal.com/2507.html
      http://uzum.livejournal.com/1773.html
      http://uzum.livejournal.com/2018.html
      1. snek
        0
        1 September 2012 14: 27
        Quote: Passing by
        Many see this as evil rock, the work of encrypted Martians, but can it be easier, and is it all about different people who made these devices?

        You know, I thought about it myself. But in order to say something with confidence, a full investigation must be carried out. The Americans, too, have a much more successful exploration of Mars, but achievements are also alternating with success, and it’s not being carried out single-handedly, but in groups, for example, Viking 1 and 2 — complete success: in launching satellites and landing descent vehicles, then another successful passfinder , and then as many as three failures in a row, and then again a series of successes. I think now the causes of our Martian failures are almost impossible to uncover. At best, find a pair of scapegoats.
        1. Protey
          0
          1 September 2012 16: 35
          Quote: snek
          The Americans also have a study of Mars, although it is much more successful, but also achievements alternate with failure,

          And while we have only failures, when will there be achievements?
      2. Protey
        0
        1 September 2012 16: 33
        Quote: Passing by
        Many see this as evil rock, the work of encrypted Martians

        Well, yes, and these Martians are kept by the United States, as our "human rights activists"! Therefore, the amers are OK, but we are in the ass. laughing
  5. superbaranka
    0
    1 September 2012 12: 18
    As always, comments are more interesting than articles. Although there is no article, there is no comment.
    Thanks to the authors lol
  6. Rezun
    0
    1 September 2012 12: 38
    Something this watery with Mars reminds me personally of the story of the "star" wars. In my opinion, the "markers" have absolutely no understanding of what to do next; there is a primitive probe: "What would you do next?" same.
    All the fuss with the Mir station and the international station was started for the sake of access to carrier technologies and rocket engines. They broke off and quickly faded (IMHO).
    1. +1
      2 September 2012 07: 46
      Rezun - before declaring that NASA did not understand what to do next, google (or climb on the info on the official website) about the goals and objectives of Curiosity, its capabilities and where it was thrown and where it finally can go.
      "The most primitive zodage" - simply killed me. We have a primitive in ROSCOSMOS due to the lack of brains in the control head.
  7. +2
    1 September 2012 15: 40
    And now we are only launching spacecraft into the ocean "our satellites have reached the depth of the Mariana Trench" (from the news).
    All that remains is to remember the merits of the times of the USSR.
    And Amer fellows ... glad for them
  8. bask
    +2
    1 September 2012 15: 54
    Quote. Russia, for a number of reasons, could not be sent ... But what for 5 years we were able to send something. Only the fragments of their satellites are at the bottom of the Pacific Ocean ... Glonass, who remembers the whole world ... 2012 worldwide coverage. Where bl. ??? What to do, /? Total control and weekly reporting in the aerospace industry. Renaissance = creation of a heavy population Energy .. Without this rocket in outer space, nothing shines. Yes amerikosy with pictures cheating. Not so Mars and red. We found a fuck in teoreya that here and paint pictures. Russia gives Mars !!!
    1. snek
      0
      1 September 2012 16: 00
      Well, Glonass is as if fully functional, which is recognized, for example, in English. Wikipedia:
      in October 2011, the full orbital constellation of 24 satellites was restored, enabling full global coverage
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glonass
      There are many problems. And the creation of a heavy carrier is far from the most urgent problem.
      1. 0
        2 September 2012 17: 35
        snek - and you, sire, did you personally scan positioning using Glonass yourself, or did you, by the way, come from reliable sources? wassat
        I've scanned a stationary object and freaked out from its mobility at the time of positioning ... the conclusion suggests itself that this system is sharpened for a military theme, but the civilian segment is still in the "leave the old woman, I'm sad ..."
        1. snek
          0
          2 September 2012 18: 38
          Personally, I did not scan, and not even a big defender of this system, just the statement by comrade bask that there is no coverage - this is not entirely true, but the quality of this coverage is the second question.
  9. Protey
    +3
    1 September 2012 16: 26
    "- however, our country still owns many other achievements associated with the" planetary race ".
    Not our country, but the USSR! Let's not stick together ...
  10. mechanic11
    0
    2 September 2012 11: 07
    There are many who disagree with my criticism of the system existing in Russia. This was reflected in my critical remarks about shipbuilding, for example. The main idea was that without a working person, there will be no space, no fleet with aviation for training of workers. For these disagreements, I quote a quote. from the newspaper "Sov.sekretno" No. 9 for 2012. cosmonaut Leonov "they put completely random people who do not understand anything in this matter, they stopped paying salaries and the specialists left the enterprises. What is a turner at NPO Energia? He was an intellectual of the highest quality. If the welding machine does not have a specialist, this is the very first step to the destruction of the object. And no one prepares welders. They went out and began to trade in Luzhniki. "And one more quote" They (United Russia ") do not have a body that would lead the industry., but to arrange the necessary" comrades " milk it all here please "
    1. +1
      2 September 2012 17: 31
      mechanic11 - hmm, I agree with you on the topic of placing comfortable people from the clan of spineless saints in key positions to replace DEFEATING PROS ... there are a dime a dozen of such "leaders" in the field of recruiting PERSONNEL in the public sector, and I see how those who left state offices 7 years ago see that nichrome has not changed, and the situation continues to get worse (at least in ROSCOSMOS fool ) I can set 100: 1, so long as they do not clean up the bastard-careerist Popovkin and his shoblu - to be there with muddy water.
      And why am I in love with you Popovkin, I don’t seem to know in person, but I smell your rotten meat ???
  11. angel
    0
    2 September 2012 13: 49
    I will say one thing: if the Americans fly to Mars, they will not take Russians and Europeans aboard, their goal is to be current 1 and no principles
    1. Konrad
      0
      16 September 2012 21: 25
      Quote: angel
      their goal is to be 1st and no principles

      Do we have other principles? Many programs were poher only because they overtook us.
  12. mechanic11
    +2
    2 September 2012 19: 51
    The problem is much deeper than it seems. An excerpt from a Ukrainian newspaper (such as a leading one) -mirror of the week-about non-fulfillment of the state order 2012- "this year there have already been reports of non-fulfillment of the state order for engineering, natural science, physics and mathematics and certain technical specialties. There are several reasons: First, the social prestige of certain professions obviously plays a key role. The general fashion for lawyers and economists, which, in particular, is supported by pop culture, cannot but affect the choice of profession by teenagers. Secondly, it is important. the opportunity to earn decent money after graduation. However, stereotypes about the prosperity of lawyers and economists are again working. "As a working specialist, I will simplify the problem, you just have to share, pay the specialist MONEY. realtor. How much does it cost to train a realtor and suppose a specialist on a jig boring machine?do not even know and have not even seen this machine in their eyes, but this is the elite of metalworking. Yes, the machine itself costs many thousands of dollars. A specialist on it is trained for years (plus a machine) And a realtor (like lawyers and economists, they do not need equipment, their work space does not cost anything, but you try to put a lathe or a milling machine in a field or office)