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Il-112V: a symbol of hope or defeat?

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Il-112V made another flight. A reason to seriously think about the prospects, if only because this is the second flight in two years.

What does this mean?

Can we consider that we have some kind of prospect for replacing the frankly outdated An-26, whose resource has long come to an end? Frankly, no. The project is so far from being completed that one must speak about it very carefully.

There are many problems. The main problem - the preponderance - is being solved, but it is being solved very slowly. The plane is still struggling to lift off the ground. At the time of the first flight, the overweight was more than three tons. How much the problem was reduced by the second flight, aviation experts are silent.

And here it should be said that today's problems with the Il-112V are not production problems. These are problems of an initially constructive nature and there are quite understandable explanations for this.

The main development problems lie with the Ilyushin Design Bureau. Today we can clearly say that the Ilyushin Design Bureau has suffered the most over the past 30 years. The proof of this is ONE project completed during this time, and even that one is not the creation of a new one, but the modernization of the old Il-76.

It is obvious that the firm has degraded. Mainly due to lack of funding. Everything is classic: there was no money for development, the impoverished staff began to leave, and when funding appeared, it turned out that Ilyushin simply could not work in the same volumes. Despite the money that began to be allocated after 2010 as part of the state armaments program.

Ilyushin lost a lot. In addition to personnel, the assembly facilities in Tashkent were gone. The V.P. Chkalov Tashkent Aviation Production Association remained abroad and finally died in 2012, becoming the Tashkent Mechanical Plant, which deals with everything except the production of aircraft.

Meanwhile, it was this plant that bore the main load for the production of large aircraft: An-22, Il-114, Il-76, Il-78.

Plus the Antonov Design Bureau, which worked in the same direction, one might say, in parallel and hand in hand with Ilyushin, remained in Ukraine and in fact the aircraft of this design bureau, which formed the basis of our transport aviation, also became inaccessible to us.

By the way, in Ukraine, those who are related to these issues, to put it mildly, are not happy with the current situation. The Antonov Design Bureau worked mainly for the Air Force of the USSR and the Russian Federation. Now, with the loss of this segment, the degradation of the company and the actual degeneration began. An aircraft is not particularly needed in the world.

Not a single Antonov project, as they say, has "taken off" over the past 30 years. We will not mention the An-148 project here, which was built mainly in Russia and for Russia. Of the 44 aircraft produced in both countries, 3 were delivered to Ukraine, 2 to North Korea and 39 to Russia. Comments, as they say, are superfluous.

More "Antonov" has nothing to brag about. "Ilyushin" too. The collapsed cooperation of the two firms forced each participant to go their own way, which turned out to be very difficult. But there can be no question of the possibility of joining efforts due to political circumstances.

However, this does not reduce the need for a light transport aircraft. On the contrary. It becomes more and more evident every year. It is also impossible to endlessly patch An-12 and An-26.

And here the same question arises: is it possible to solve the problem of a light transport aircraft, bringing the Il-112V to flight condition?

For a start, finishing the Il-112V in itself is more than a serious task. Associated with huge problems both in personnel and in the mechanism for implementing tasks at the UAC level. While in the bowels of the KLA they are engaged in not entirely clear reorganizations and resettlements, it is unlikely. The administrative resource is diverted to the wrong tasks, which, in fact, is engaged in what interferes with the work of designers and production workers.

What kind of work can be seriously talked about while the management of the UAC is engaged in some strange activity to merge design bureaus, take them out of Moscow, relocate "closer to production" and so on. Signboards, names, legal entities are changing ...

In general, there is movement, the designation of vigorous activity is, there is no result. And it can't be.

Meanwhile, of course, reorganization in the aviation industry is needed. There are frankly dead design bureaus, frankly useless production areas, with which something needs to be done. However, do it without breaking the big picture. Without distracting staff from their immediate duties.

We must also understand that everything, the replacement of personnel has already taken place. Those who created the wings of the Soviet Air Force have already worked their way out. And those who took their place ... let's say, are inferior to Soviet personnel in the same way as the completely Russian Il-112V is inferior to the Soviet An-26.

What is the main difference between the An-26 and the Il-112V is that the An-26 has been flying since 1973, but the Il-112 cannot boast of this so far.

In addition, another problem should be considered the lack of completely Russian components. Today, the level of imports is simply enormous, no matter what they say from the screen about the complete victory of import substitution. Problems with engines, with composites, with avionics have been, are and still will be. Simply because we are not able to replace everything imported.

This is especially true of avionics and radio electronics, which, of course, can be created, a matter of time and funding. And personnel capable of solving these problems. But all this takes time, time and more time.

And we associate time first of all with "shifts to the right." Correct designation of the term “failed again”.

And "Ilyushin" can be blamed for another "long-term construction" - IL-114. Yes, on the one hand, this is a medium-haul passenger aircraft. On the other hand, there is a transport or patrol aircraft. In general, virtually any civilian aircraft can be used as a military aircraft. Proven long ago.

So the Il-114 is the plane that naval aviation badly needed for a long time, which today is a gathering of veterans released in the last century. They say that the Il-114 will go into production from 2023, although in the first conversations 2022 was named. But this is again to the question of "shifts to the right."

It is a pity that for Ilyushin this is becoming commonplace. Or the norm, if it's more convenient. But it is 2023 - there is absolutely nothing left before it, we will see how everything will happen.

We really need both a light transport plane and a naval patrol aircraft from Ilyushin. In 2022, in 2023, it doesn't matter. In general, they were needed yesterday.

And today the public joint-stock company "Aviation Complex named after S. V. Ilyushin", unfortunately, only demonstrates its helplessness in matters of development and construction of aircraft. The necessary aircraft, we note. For the fact that the Superjet and MS-21 do not want to fly can still be experienced and fly on Boeings and Airbuses, but in military aviation, unfortunately, you cannot do without them.

Realizing the need to replace old aviation equipment in military aviation, I still want to urge the UAC leadership not to engage in outright nonsense in the form of renaming legal entities, shuffling "effective managers", changing signs and logos, rebranding and other nonsense.

Since 1991, the Ilyushin firm has changed its signboard five times. Did it improve the performance a lot? Not at all. But how much time and money was spent on it?

We need planes. Today. Maximum tomorrow, although "tomorrow may be late", as was sung in one song. The fleet of modern transport and naval aviation is decreasing at a rapid pace, and instead of engaging in incomprehensible gestures with signs, it is better to spend time and money to finalize and start producing the machines that are so necessary for the Russian military aviation.

And finally, to solve the personnel issue. Nothing will be built without engineers who have gone away from the "huge" factory salaries.

In the early 2000s, work began on the Il-112V military transport aircraft. In April 2004, the Il-112 project won the competition for the development of a VTA aircraft for the Russian Air Force. It is 2021 and all that can be bragged is two flights, which were separated by two years.

It is clearly too much to work on errors. Such a pace is completely unacceptable today when it comes to what will fly with us tomorrow. And if you look at history with the Il-114, it becomes clear that decisive action is needed today.

Until it's really too late.
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  1. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 24 May 2021 05: 01
    -24%
    And here the same question arises: is it possible to solve the problem of a light transport aircraft, bringing the Il-112V to flight condition?
    And where to go then? He somehow flies, and the advantage of three tons is unpleasant, but not critical, KMK.
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 24 May 2021 06: 25
      +9
      You need to be able to cut losses. If you make a mistake, you need to stop and redesign the plane again.

      ... In the early 2000s, work began on the Il-112V military transport aircraft

      How long ago it was. Our king started at the same time. But no matter what he does in the economy for twenty years, "breakthroughs and breakthroughs" only come out in the opposite direction.

      So it is with the plane, which was questionable even at the project level. Since in terms of characteristics it is inferior to the old An-26, not to mention Western classmates. Not everything worked out. Both the project and its implementation.
      1. URAL72
        URAL72 24 May 2021 07: 25
        +36
        The author is somewhat off topic and exaggerates. Cry from the heart. Yes, the engineers were lured away by Irkut. But why suddenly MC and Superjet do not fly? They fly quite well. There are no big problems with avionics as well as with composites. There are engines, but there is progress here as well. I advise the author to read Rise on a regular basis. A very professional and informative magazine. The overweight was not three, but two tons. There is information about weight loss - 800kg. The work continues. Everything will be fine. But you will have to wait a bit. It's just that there is hardly a person who can assess the full scale of the catastrophe caused by the collapse of the Union. Not only production facilities have been lost, but also technologies, everything must be started from the beginning. And this is already being done.
        1. SovAr238A
          SovAr238A 24 May 2021 11: 35
          +11
          Quote: URAL72
          The author is somewhat off topic and exaggerates. Cry from the heart. Yes, the engineers were lured away by Irkut. But why suddenly MC and Superjet do not fly? They fly quite well. There are no big problems with avionics as well as with composites. There are engines, but there is progress here as well. I advise the author to read Rise on a regular basis. A very professional and informative magazine. The overweight was not three, but two tons. There is information about weight loss - 800kg. The work continues. Everything will be fine. But you will have to wait a bit. It's just that there is hardly a person who can assess the full scale of the catastrophe caused by the collapse of the Union. Not only production facilities have been lost, but also technologies, everything must be started from the beginning. And this is already being done.


          There are avionics kits on the MC-21 - only 5 pcs.
          The following deliveries are under very big questions due to sanctions.
          So even if we adjust the PD-14, we will build the wing and keel from composites.
          What will we do if all the certified avionics for such Civil Aviation aircraft have not been developed or produced in our country ... ???

          Let's release only 5 aircraft with a false idea of ​​import substitution?
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 24 May 2021 16: 07
            +4
            What will we do if all the certified avionics for such Civil Aviation aircraft have not been developed or produced in our country ... ??? If anything, KRET has been doing it for a long time.
          2. avg avg
            avg avg 21 July 2021 08: 38
            -1
            Do not fantasize and change the training manual!
        2. Revival
          Revival 24 May 2021 14: 51
          +5
          "everything needs to start from the beginning. And this is already being done."

          Oh, aren't we in too much of a hurry !?
          Only 20 years have passed and is already being done!
          We are in a hurry!
          It was only necessary to start in the 50s ...
          1. venik
            venik 24 May 2021 19: 27
            +7
            Quote: Revival
            Oh, aren't we in too much of a hurry !?
            Only 20 years have passed and is already being done!
            We are in a hurry!

            =======
            IL-112 is generally a long-suffering project! It was postponed twice! Twice! At first - due to a lack of finances (like: "We have a lot of transport workers while they fly, and then we'll see!"). The second time - they decided to please "fraternal Ukraine", to support the Ukrainian aviation industry (An-142) ...
            And when they realized for the third time: problems began - the outflow of personnel, sanctions ... It's just a shame! After all, everything could have been done for a LONG time, and not wait, relying on the "godfather Gritska" and not the Russian "maybe"! You had to count on YOURSELF!
            But what now!
            1. Revival
              Revival 24 May 2021 20: 35
              0
              "The Il-112 is generally a long-suffering project! Twice it was postponed! Twice! First, due to lack of finance."

              Why didn't you postpone !?

              There is no such thing as a lack of funds for the security and development of the country, as long as yachts are built and billions are packed from the income received domestically.
          2. andreypilot
            andreypilot 25 May 2021 00: 11
            0
            Have you slept for the time from the collapse of the Soviet Union to the XNUMXs? If not, then do not write nonsense.
            1. Revival
              Revival 25 May 2021 01: 42
              -5
              Do not write me any nonsense if there is nothing to say on the topic
        3. Nazar
          Nazar 25 May 2021 01: 41
          -1
          URAL72 - What do you call "flies"? Look at the statistics how much time the SS-100 spends on the ground and how much in flight - the flight time is three times less than that of its analogues, so it does not "fly", it is a parody of an airplane. And where does the MS-21 "fly"? Over the factory airfield? This is the same rake as with the SS-100 - they have designed a prefabricated hodgepodge of imports, imports are gradually blocked, it has already taken two years to replace imported composites, and all the "stuffing" in the MS is also imported, now they will block the supply of avionics (and they will necessarily overlap) - how many years will it take to replace - huh? That's all the "flights".
          1. lazy
            lazy 25 May 2021 17: 58
            +2
            change manual. “In total, since the first scheduled flight (September 21, 2017), the airline has carried over 2,7 million passengers. During this time, its fleet has grown to 12 Superjet 100. The airline claims that it provides an average monthly flight time for each aircraft of 250 h (i.e. 8,3 hours per day), which is a record for this type of aircraft. On average, each plane of Azimut Airlines carries about 140 thousand passengers a year. In early June, the co-owner of the carrier Vitaly Vantsev specified that in winter the flight time per SSJ 100 is 235 hours per month, in summer it grows to 260. "
            1. Nazar
              Nazar 26 May 2021 03: 36
              +1
              lazy (vitaly) - do not watch the first channel at night. The largest number of SS-100s in Aeroflot - an average daily flight of 4,5 hours. What is Azimuth compared to Aeroflot?
              - There is nothing to say about the MS-21? How many years will it take to develop avionics?
              - And about the IL-114 - huh? It also "flies", although for several years only one was assembled on a finished building brought from Uzbekistan.
              - So the IL-112 "flies" two times in two years, and this "transport" can not transport anything because of its own weight. They reduced the weight in two years by as much as 800 kg ... at such a rate, they will be able to eliminate the entire advantage in another 6 years.
              - There is nothing to say about the replacement of the AN-2 - the UZGA (repair plant) has been making some kind of freak for years and there are all the same "rakes" - the engine is imported, "minced meat" too - life does not teach anything.
              And now, for comparison, a commemorative plaque hangs on the building of our Avia Plant's entrance, on it the dates: the start of construction of the plant and the date of production of the first serial aircraft, between them a year (!!!) and this is from scratch, in the middle of the taiga. hi
              1. lazy
                lazy 26 May 2021 17: 18
                +3
                Aeroflot is still a bunch, it immediately got rid of the Tu204 / 214 that were successfully operated by the Reds, in my personal opinion, Aeroflot top managers, in principle, do not want to operate Russian equipment, since these managers do not receive kickbacks when buying, as when buying bobs and airbuses. and the example of the azimuth of a small company clearly demonstrates that when they want to fly, the plane flies. And Aeroflot dropped the superjets to "Russia" and now can easily buy foreign equipment, receiving kickbacks on the pocket of top managers. And by the way, the statistics on the Radams "Red Wings Airlines is summing up the first results of the operation of the SSJ 100. The average flight time on a listed vessel in October-November was 6 hours a day. The airline's fleet has three Russian liners.

                “This is a good result for short regional flights, taking into account the low season and the coronavirus pandemic. For two and a half months, SSJ 100 aircraft carried 30 passengers in the Red Wings fleet,” commented Evgeny Klyucharev, General Director of Red Wings. only on the plane but also in the company
                1. Nazar
                  Nazar 26 May 2021 18: 36
                  +2
                  lazy - But with this I completely agree - not only in Aeroflot, but also in the government is full of "well-wishers" of beans and watermelons.
                  But we need to start with education - well, we will not have designers if from childhood we teach them according to the "underline the necessary" system, the vocational school-technical school-university system needs to be revived in some modern form - it is impossible to recruit workers to the aircraft plant "by ad" or bring conditional Tajiks. In the military aircraft industry, at the very least, at the expense of foreign orders, they retained human resources in the design bureau and in production, and in the civil aircraft industry, a complete failure, the old people left, there is no one to teach the "new" ones who were fed on the exam, so we get such "masterpieces" of engineering like the IL-112 mentioned in this article. request
        4. Gleb39
          Gleb39 31 May 2021 08: 36
          -2
          The melancholy author of the article. I agree, there are many problems and troubles. But nevertheless, as it went unnoticed the statement of the Supreme. Namely - the state tests of 112B are coming to an end. It seems that by the end of the year it already promises a couple of pieces for the troops. Let's see, of course. And the author - everything "comes off hard" ...
        5. Agent cooper
          Agent cooper 2 August 2021 19: 39
          -2
          30 years have passed since the collapse of the USSR and the Russians are all fed with these excuses about the consequences of the collapse. And what did the USSR do after the bloody massacre of the Great Patriotic War in 75? Yes, there will not be enough to bend your fingers, including the creation of a series of An aircraft.
      2. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 24 May 2021 09: 45
        +18
        I apologize for the flood, although it is agreed:

        This Wednesday (26.05, evening), in Yekaterinburg will take place meeting of members of the "Military Review" community.
        Purpose: acquaintance, communication.
        It is planned that a guest from the "Solnechny South" will arrive - Andrey from Chelyabinsk.
        Those wishing to join - write in a personal.

      3. zloybond
        zloybond 24 May 2021 17: 57
        +2
        One must have the courage to return the watchtower for sabotage, treason, incitement to overthrow the constitutional order. Especially for actions related to the weakening of the country's defense capability. And for terrorism and banditry it is obligatory.
        1. bayard
          bayard 24 May 2021 22: 25
          +8
          Quote: zloybond
          You need to have the courage to return the tower for sabotage, treason

          belay "He took a saber, he took a shot \ And stabbed himself to death"?
          But someone will return it - RESPONSIBILITY?
          If for the sake of this in 1991 the Union was destroyed?
          They have everything on her dear (IRRESPONSIBILITY) and keeps. yes
          But, of course, I would like ...
        2. Agent cooper
          Agent cooper 2 August 2021 19: 43
          -1
          So half of the generals will have to shoot, including Serdyukov.
      4. Zhenya Khazarsky
        Zhenya Khazarsky 26 May 2021 08: 35
        0
        I agree ...
        Better a horrible end than endless horror! "
        And good personnel cannot be raised without mistakes.
    2. Revolver
      Revolver 24 May 2021 06: 49
      +1
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      an overweight of three tons is unpleasant, but not critical

      The Japanese fighter Zero also had an advantage at first. So they punched holes wherever it was not critical for strength. The result was a plane that tore everything that tried to fly over the Pacific Ocean, like Tuzik a heating pad, until Hellcat appeared in 1943. And when the Americans took Zero out of the forced landing site, they were surprised. The wing was calmly carried by 2 people, and they were afraid that they could not cope without a crane.
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 24 May 2021 07: 18
        +2
        Quote: Nagan
        Japanese Zero fighter at first there was an advantage too.

        Three tons or what? If we give such distant comparisons, then let's go to the end.

        Quote: Nagan
        So they are everywhere where it was not critical for strength, punched holes... It turned out to be an airplane that tore everything that tried to fly over the Pacific Ocean like Tuzik heating pad

        Do you also propose to stamp holes so that it tears everyone in terms of carrying capacity?))

        I suggest urgently to put you as the director of the UAC, as the storyteller Rogozin was put in charge of space!))
      2. infantryman2020
        infantryman2020 24 May 2021 12: 39
        +4
        Zero paid a lot for it. Offhand, unprotected fuel tanks. And this was acceptable only as long as the pilots were top class ...
      3. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 24 May 2021 14: 17
        +5
        Quote: Nagan
        The result was a plane that tore everything that tried to fly over the Pacific Ocean, like Tuzik a heating pad, until the Hellcat appeared in 1943.

        The result was an airplane that tore everyone up, provided that a pre-war pilot with the experience of China was sitting between the seat and the handle, who at the level of reflexes remembered how to fly. to eliminate all the disadvantages of the machine. And provided that his opponent has practically no combat experience.
        As soon as the aces were knocked out, the "average pilots" began to get into the Zero's cockpits - and immediately the low survivability of the Japanese came to the fore.
        Quote: Nagan
        And when the Americans took out Zero from the place of the forced landing, they were surprised. The wing was calmly carried by 2 people, and they were afraid that they could not cope without a crane.

        Aerodynamics is for those who don't know how to build powerful motors.
        Enzo Ferrari
        The Yankees simply put a powerful engine on the "Hellcat", which brought out a more "dense" power set and even "overlapping" skin. smile
    3. Hagen
      Hagen 24 May 2021 07: 19
      +35
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      He somehow flies, and the advantage of three tons is unpleasant, but not critical, KVM.

      I would like to draw your attention to how the preponderance problem is described in the article. ".... How much the problem was reduced by the second flight, aviation specialists are silent ...." the author is not aware of how in the elapsed time after the first flight the above problem was solved and finally solved, but in advance he already buries the plane together with the design bureau - "... The plane still barely takes off from the ground ....". Comes off hard - how's that? Not the first time? Overseas WFP? With a plume of black smoke from the engines? Again "shadow on the fence ..." ?! Everything else is the same in the spirit of "everything is lost" .... For the hundredth time I will repeat, the article is written in the office on a complex topic without "going out to the locality" and communicating with the authors of the project. The article only causes fatigue from the writing style.
      1. Artyom Karagodin
        Artyom Karagodin 24 May 2021 09: 45
        +21
        Hagen, thanks! Competent criticism. Just a couple of sentences - and it is immediately clear that not everything is as simple as Roman describes. Not that I was in a hurry to agree with you, but the picture is no longer so unambiguous before my eyes. Yes, and Roman is not the first time (although not always) comes across a weak acquaintance with the texture of what he writes about. So there is already reason to believe you.

        In general, "VO" is the only site where it makes sense to read comments. Sometimes you get no less, and even more information from them than from publications.
        1. Hagen
          Hagen 24 May 2021 10: 19
          +4
          Quote: Artyom Karagodin
          "VO" is the only site where it makes sense to read comments.

          I agree with you completely ...
          1. infantryman2020
            infantryman2020 24 May 2021 12: 37
            +9
            Well, it's like someone. The resource, both news and analytical, is good. But 2/3 of the comments are often nauseous.
            1. Artyom Karagodin
              Artyom Karagodin 24 May 2021 12: 45
              +5
              Nobody says that all comments should be read. It’s just that experts say in the comments of the part. I'm talking about that.
            2. Hagen
              Hagen 24 May 2021 13: 46
              +4
              Quote: infantryman2020
              But 2/3 of the comments are often nauseous.

              Well, not without it. How do you want to mine ore without tailings? request
        2. moscowp
          moscowp 24 May 2021 21: 23
          +2
          The novel is hardly familiar with the Russian language. "In Ukraine ..." is not in Russian. Some kind of surzhik
          1. Vasia
            Vasia 24 May 2021 23: 04
            +1
            The novel is hardly familiar with the Russian language. "In Ukraine ..." is not in Russian. Some kind of surzhik

            I tried to point out the error via Ctrl + Enter, but for some reason the admins did not fix it. True, he was not authorized, I do not know, this is how this function works. And so yes, violation of the rules of the language.
      2. dauria
        dauria 24 May 2021 13: 52
        +7
        the article is written in the office on a complex topic without "going out to the locality" and communicating with the authors of the project.


        You don't need to "communicate with the authors of the project" to see the main thing - the Il 112 has a wide fuselage like the Spartan (which has 2 x 4640 engines), and the engines like the CASA C-295 or An-26 (with a narrow fuselage)
        That's all . The glider is heavy for these engines. Or the engines are weak for this glider. For some reason, the general could not tell the customer "Roll up your lip demanding the transportation of elephants (" tigers "), or give the engines"
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 26 May 2021 10: 53
          0
          Quote: dauria
          Roll up your lip demanding the carriage of elephants ("tigers"), or give engines "

          Well, they would have given more powerful engines. Let's say turbojet PS-90 or PD-14. Well, then the IL-214 would have turned out (the section of the fuselage is just the same). A completely different plane. And they ordered a replacement for the An-26.
      3. avg avg
        avg avg 21 July 2021 08: 44
        -1
        Be condescending, this is Skomorokhov! I recognize his articles on VO by the first paragraph!
        1. Hagen
          Hagen 21 July 2021 09: 31
          0
          Quote: avg avg
          Be condescending, this is Skomorokhov!

          You can show condescension to a one-time "puncture" by an amateur working on a voluntary basis, ie. free of charge. Perhaps a not quite literate commentary. But for the author it appears very often, and for the article, as I understand it, he receives quite a lot of money for himself. According to the famous journalist Giulietto Chiesa, whose authority and skill is difficult to refute, real journalism in the genres of analytics or investigation is done through deep immersion in the material of the problem, sometimes for more than one month, and only then follows a series of articles that reveal the problem. And here is the rapid-fire conveyor ...
    4. antivirus
      antivirus 24 May 2021 07: 27
      -16%
      what a terrible horror! everything is lost. everything is lost!
      the boss died, the plaster was removed, the client was gone, the doctors did not come.

      while the sun is shining - we will fly on airplanes ... or on paragliders.
      planes will do and bring to mind.
      gl - to catch up with the designers and assemblers on the personal state of Oderipaska.
    5. Sahalinets
      Sahalinets 24 May 2021 08: 38
      +15
      If we consider that its carrying capacity in terms of performance characteristics should be 5 tons, XNUMX tons of overweight are, as it were, more than critical! He will only carry himself!
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 24 May 2021 08: 59
        +1
        Quote: Sahalinets
        If we consider that its carrying capacity in terms of performance characteristics should be 5 tons, XNUMX tons of overweight are, as it were, more than critical! He will only carry himself!
        with an empty mass of 12-13 tons, there are reserves, probably.
    6. Doctor
      Doctor 24 May 2021 09: 05
      +24
      And where to go then? He somehow flies, and the advantage of three tons is unpleasant, but not critical, KMK.

      Compared to competitors, it loses great.
      IL - 112
      length: 24,15 m
      wingspan: 27,15 m
      normal takeoff weight: 20,4 t
      Max. takeoff weight: 21 tons.
      carrying capacity: 5 000 kg
      practical range: 2400 km with 3,5 t load

      CASA C-295
      aircraft length, m 24.40
      wing span, m 25.81
      normal takeoff 20700
      maximum take-off 23200
      carrying capacity: 9 700 kg
      range: s 3,000 kg 4,600 km; from 6,000 kg 3,700 km
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 24 May 2021 09: 15
        +1
        Formally, the CASA C-295 is a classmate of the Il-112, but in fact the 112th wide-body with a tail ramp, unlike the Spaniard with a fuselage of normal fullness and without a ramp.
        1. Doctor
          Doctor 24 May 2021 10: 25
          +7
          Formally, the CASA C-295 is a classmate of the Il-112, but in fact the 112th wide-body with a tail ramp, unlike the Spaniard with a fuselage of normal fullness and without a ramp.

          There are various modifications.


          We wrote about him here.
          https://topwar.ru/104589-mnogocelevoy-transportnyy-samolet-casa-c-295.html
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 24 May 2021 10: 41
            +7
            Quote: Arzt
            There are various modifications.

            Yes, but the fact that the photo is more of a ladder than a ramp, the source has 235 ramps, yes. But the fuselage is still normal, at 112 Shishiga is announced to be crammed, and here Iltis is not a fact that it will fit.
    7. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 24 May 2021 12: 11
      +3
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      and an advantage of three tons is unpleasant, but not critical

      For a car with a maximum take-off weight of 21 tons? With a carrying capacity of 5 tons? That is, it could have been 8 tons? More efficient by 35%? Unpleasant - poorly said.
      I can't even imagine how to fix something like that. To make a carbon case (if at all possible today for cars of this class)?
      Perhaps, to develop more powerful, lighter and more economical engines over time.
      But if there are no alternatives, it will have to be launched into the series, and finished over the years.
      You can, of course, buy Chinese counterparts, but I doubt that the RF Ministry of Defense will go for it. Not comme il faut like that.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 24 May 2021 16: 10
        -3
        The overload problem was fixed.
        1. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 24 May 2021 17: 11
          +4
          Quote: Vadim237
          The overload problem was fixed.

          But as? I'm curious about the technical side. I can't even imagine how 23% of dry weight can be "uncovered" from an airplane, without consequences. belay
        2. yoshkovoleg
          yoshkovoleg 24 May 2021 17: 24
          +4
          False. No one provided evidence of the correction.
    8. Undecim
      Undecim 24 May 2021 12: 21
      +7
      an overweight of three tons is unpleasant, but not critical

      The aircraft with an estimated weight of ten tons and a payload of five tons, in fact, has thirteen tons of dry weight. A couple more tons - and the plane will be able to carry only itself.
    9. Anachoret
      Anachoret 24 May 2021 12: 49
      -4
      All these problems with gas turbines for frigates and destroyers of the Russian Federation and IL112V aircraft indicate that it is already necessary to resolve issues on Nikolaev and Kiev-Kharkov) so it may even be cheaper)
      And ILs need to be developed for wide-body production without being distracted by trifles)
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 24 May 2021 16: 11
        -1
        "All these problems with gas turbines for frigates and destroyers of the Russian Federation" And this problem was closed last year
        1. Anachoret
          Anachoret 24 May 2021 16: 12
          +1
          Quote: Vadim237
          "All these problems with gas turbines for frigates and destroyers of the Russian Federation" And this problem was closed last year

          just not in the quantities that the fleet needs already yesterday
    10. yoshkovoleg
      yoshkovoleg 24 May 2021 17: 23
      +2
      Uncritical ??? This is with a total carrying capacity of 6 tons ???
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 25 May 2021 08: 06
        0
        Quote: yoshkovoleg
        Uncritical ??? This is with a total carrying capacity of 6 tons ???

        You do not subtract the overload, and as they already write the corrected one, from the carrying capacity, you subtract it from the take-off weight, at least normal, well, in extreme cases, from the mass of an empty plane. (11-13 tons)
    11. at84432384
      at84432384 24 May 2021 18: 38
      -1
      With a declared load capacity of 6 ?!
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 25 May 2021 08: 05
        0
        Quote: at84432384
        With a declared load capacity of 6 ?!

        You do not subtract the overload, and as they already write the corrected one, from the carrying capacity, you subtract it from the take-off weight, at least normal, well, in extreme cases, from the mass of an empty plane. (11-13 tons)
    12. UAZ 452
      UAZ 452 24 May 2021 21: 10
      0
      And who needs an airplane capable of lifting only itself into the air?
  2. Grits
    Grits 24 May 2021 05: 06
    +19
    I was always amazed at something else - if there are no brains to create something new, then why shouldn't we release the old one, which has already proven its reliability? Well, why invent a new "maize", if you can stupidly copy it, put modern avionics on it and release it at your factories. the same situation with the An-26. And in the process of modernizations and updates, new design personnel and new knowledge will appear.
    1. Kot_Kuzya
      Kot_Kuzya 24 May 2021 05: 30
      +12
      Quote: Gritsa
      I was always amazed at something else - if there are no brains to create something new, then why shouldn't we release the old one, which has already proven its reliability? Well, why invent a new "maize", if you can stupidly copy it, put modern avionics on it and release it at your factories. the same situation with the An-26.

      Because KB also wants to eat, and they eat a lot. If the factories start producing new An-26s according to the old drawings, the design bureaus will not receive money. And here in the design bureau they say that the An-26 is completely outdated, and they will do better, and they are given money.
      1. Hagen
        Hagen 24 May 2021 08: 39
        +16
        Quote: Kot_Kuzya
        Because KB also wants to eat, and they eat a lot.

        When, in the 90s, they really stopped feeding the design bureaus, they got that failure in personnel, which we hiccup today. A design thought is not born out of the blue. She is cared for and cherished without interruption. And only then she acquires tangible skills and produces a Result. It's like in sports, you can't bask on the beach for a year, and then go out and win the Olympics. Well, it should be borne in mind that cadres flow to where they are "appreciated and loved", that is, they are paid and create conditions for life and work, and without reproach that they "eat a lot".
      2. And Us Rat
        And Us Rat 24 May 2021 12: 32
        +5
        Quote: Kot_Kuzya
        And here in the design bureau they say that the An-26 is completely outdated, and they will do better, and they are given money.

        But in reality, the design bureau failed, because of that very failure in the frames of the 90s.
        Wouldn't it be wiser, by decree from above, to force them to develop a deep modernization of the same An-26? It's still easier.
        The current trend shows that the technology of the end of the last century has a colossal potential for modernization. Take, for example, the restart of the Tu-160, according to the updated project, or the American restarts of the F-15 and CH-53 (the helicopter is more than 50 years old), or the C-130 (which is almost 70 years old). At the exit, these are completely new cars, albeit according to the old patterns.
        And it is difficult to overestimate the economy of this kind, especially since today the main emphasis in the military sphere is on the evolution and modularity of weapons systems with the secondary platforms of carriers.
      3. keeper03
        keeper03 24 May 2021 13: 46
        +2
        As a result, we have neither design bureaus nor airplanes !!! belay request Have a drink! am
    2. Peak
      Peak 24 May 2021 05: 35
      +8
      I agree with the example of the An-2 +/- - not an aging veteran, but the An-26 is no longer satisfied with the capacity of the cargo compartment and the carrying capacity, and first of all the army.
      So there is no need to upgrade it. Still, another plane is needed.
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 24 May 2021 06: 52
        +3
        Quote: PiK
        An-26 by capacity the cargo compartment and carrying capacity are no longer satisfied, and above all the army.

        And in terms of carrying capacity, which is less than that of the An-26? For capacity, there are aircraft of larger dimensions. Why would a small plane try to fasten the IL-76 body.
    3. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 24 May 2021 05: 39
      +15
      How to release the old when the capacities are destroyed, perestroika and reforms went like a skating rink through production relations.
      What Hitler could not do was successfully done by the reformers ... now everything must be re-created.
      Where can we find people capable of repeating the technical breakthroughs of Ilyushin, Tupolev, Yakovlev, Korolev ... there are none ... they are a thing of the past.
      It is always difficult to create something new, for this you need to have charisma and talent, and in Russia talents always struggle to make their way.
      We need talented people in government, economies capable of creating and not destroying, they will be and everything else.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 24 May 2021 08: 38
        +7
        I believe that we need to make a new plane from scratch. And yes, people are the main thing. And at all levels and places, and competent. And the fact that the signs are constantly changing is a way of avoiding taxes.
    4. Ru_Na
      Ru_Na 24 May 2021 06: 22
      +6
      Infinitely updating is also not an option. There is such a concept as a modernization resource, and unfortunately the AN-26 has completely exhausted it, the aircraft is morally and technically outdated, it does not suit the military, a replacement is needed.
    5. donavi49
      donavi49 24 May 2021 08: 39
      +22
      The military who wrote the assignment were impressed with Spartan and wanted the same for themselves. Then Scorpio was still alive and the Tiger did not get heavy. So we entered the requirements. From which all the shoals and went. Today, such a cabin is not really needed (the heavier Tiger no longer climbs, and the Scorpio died long ago).

      Again, there is an example in the world - Spartan. Selling very tightly. Basically, either to vassals on a load or to Africa on credit, that is, under American aid programs (and he is American by a third). Total world supplies of about 50 cars, if without used - second hand.


      The Spaniards from CASA went from the opposite, they conducted a large-scale study of the air transportation market in general and in the segment from C-130 and less. And they realized that there was no point in building an airplane for one typewriter. If the car needs to be transported, then usually not one, but this is an excuse to harness Herkul or even something larger. And if there is one, then usually the accompanying cargo is enough for Herkul. And they made a cheap, very economical (passenger section of the fuselage), multifunctional transport aircraft. Which became a hit of sales in the world (already 130+ cars were sold in 30+ countries of the world). And by the way, his engines are weaker than those of the Il-112V, and he is more lucky (8 tons at a distance, 9 tons at maximum speed) and further (5000 km empty, 2200 with 8 tons - IL-112 - 1500 with 5 tons). wink






    6. at84432384
      at84432384 24 May 2021 18: 42
      +2
      For the release of the old, they will not give so much money - there will be nothing to steal. Therefore, we need a mandatory new, preferably long-term program. And no one will ask for failure or non-fulfillment anyway.
    7. ism_ek
      ism_ek 24 May 2021 20: 29
      0
      It is immediately clear that the AN-24 has never been flown ...
      IL-112 was not created from scratch, it is the processing of IL-114. This is probably the problem. We wanted to achieve maximum unification and received an overload.
    8. abc_alex
      abc_alex 26 May 2021 16: 46
      +1
      Quote: Gritsa
      I was always amazed at something else - if there are no brains to create something new, then why shouldn't we release the old one, which has already proven its reliability?

      Because there are neither those factories, nor those workers, nor that equipment, nor that equipment. To start producing the old one, you need to re-create what is called "production cooperation". And suddenly it turns out that some of the nodes in the old one were originally designed for a unique technology, equipment of a specific plant, and it is simply unrealistic to reproduce it - you need to either install machines that are 40 years old, or redesign the node from scratch. And in the end it turns out that the volume of work on launching the old into a series is comparable to the launch of a new one.
      And then it turns out that there are no motors for the old one. And that there is a patent holder for the old ...
      Where to get AI-26 motors for An-24? They were made on Sich. Repeat them too? So TV7-117 with comparable power is almost twice as light. Putting new motors on an old glider? It means to alter the engine nacelles and to unscrew to get the rear centering.

      Quote: Gritsa
      Well, why invent a new "maize", if you can stupidly copy it, put modern avionics on it and release it at your factories

      Do you really think that the problem of replacing the An-2 is in the inability to make a replacement?
      I assure you you are wrong. The problem is that today's operators of small aircraft services received the AN-2 not at the original price, but at the residual, if not completely junk or free of charge. And the costs of its maintenance are calculated tens of thousands dollars a year. Based on these costs, a market for small aviation services and prices for it has been formed. Any replacement An-2 will cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, and most likely 1,2 -1,5 million overboard... Such aircraft prices customers will not stand services.
  3. ramzay21
    ramzay21 24 May 2021 05: 28
    +10
    The aviation industry has become the same as with everything else
  4. Angry Alt-Right
    Angry Alt-Right 24 May 2021 05: 35
    +1
    The first thing that comes to mind when seeing such a turboprop is why not AWACS. The loitering time is clearly more than the IL-96 can have. By the way, a question for connoisseurs: Why, in modern realities, do military transport aviation need this rather modest in terms of carrying capacity (5-6 tons), turboprop? Indeed, in this regard, it is comparable to a turntable, and weighty stuff like MRAP cannot be translated into this! What is the essence of a similar niche?
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 24 May 2021 08: 14
      +7
      The aircraft is faster, more convenient in loading / unloading, more economical than a helicopter of a similar carrying capacity. Here, in general, this plane can be compared with a lorry - it seems like why, there is Zil, Maz, Kamaz, Kraz, etc. But it turned out that a machine with one and a half tons of carrying capacity is VERY needed, a lot of loads fit into this niche.
    2. at84432384
      at84432384 24 May 2021 18: 49
      +1
      Here you need to count the money. The spinner is only good for short distances. At medium and long distances, both the delivery time and the efficiency of the transporter are much higher.
  5. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 24 May 2021 06: 01
    +5
    Can you give up early or sing praises?
    Let's wait for the test cycle, followed by fine-tuning and modernization. And then more articles have been written about this plane than technical documentation!
  6. Revolver
    Revolver 24 May 2021 06: 05
    -12%
    As a variant of action - to restore the Russian-Polish border as it was at least in 1939, and if at the top they decide that Russia still needs Westerners, then along the line of 1945. Then Antonov will become domestic, and Motor Sich. And at the same time ZoryaMashProekt and Nikolaev shipyards. Well, and something else you can scrape together.
    1. Jacket in stock
      Jacket in stock 24 May 2021 06: 14
      +10
      Quote: Nagan
      restore Russian-Polish

      Funny.
      It was in 1939 that the USSR could afford this, and even then not always and not everywhere. At least I had to come to an agreement with the Germans, the British had to say something so that they would also agree. And I even had to fight with the Finns.
      And in 1945, too, had to look back at the "allies".
      And now we can and want to take something, but who will give us?
      And the brainwashed local population is unlikely to welcome our tanks with flowers. Many grenades from balconies.
    2. Vasya Santa
      Vasya Santa 24 May 2021 06: 36
      +9
      Why are there trifles. Let's restore the 1913 Russian-Prussian border. At the same time we will squeeze out Polish factories
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 24 May 2021 06: 41
        -7
        Quote: Vasya Santa
        Let's restore the 1913 Russian-Prussian border

        Does Russia need Poles?
        Yes, and this is such a garbage - Poland is a member of NATO. Although, if we come to an agreement with Germany ... From them in favor of Poland, too, a lot was chopped off.
    3. Israel
      Israel 24 May 2021 08: 49
      +3
      And the point is that Antonov will become Russian, there is not much left of the design bureau and the aviation industry in Ukraine is in a terminal state. Before all the Maidan-Crimean events, only joint integration with Russia allowed Ukraine to produce at least something, after the breakdown of such relations, Ukraine did not release a single serial aircraft.
    4. Stepan S
      Stepan S 24 May 2021 13: 50
      0
      Then both Antonov will become domestic and Motor Sich. And at the same time ZoryaMashProekt and Nikolaev shipyards.

      There is already nothing special to scratch. And we will grab more problems with the people, not to mention the "world community"
    5. val43
      val43 24 May 2021 17: 16
      +4
      The navel will not untie?
    6. at84432384
      at84432384 24 May 2021 18: 52
      +2
      There, too, everything is dead-privatizers and walked there. Only a few years later, but just as effective.
  7. parusnik
    parusnik 24 May 2021 06: 13
    +15
    Nothing will be built without engineers who have gone away from the "huge" factory salaries.
    ..Using the advice of the LADIES, "don't like it, go into business", they went and not only them.
    1. military_cat
      military_cat 24 May 2021 06: 25
      +16
      Engineers have a specialty in demand. Rather, they listened to another good piece of advice from Russian officials: "I don't like it - the borders are open."
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 24 May 2021 06: 27
        +8
        Rather, they listened to another good piece of advice from Russian officials: "I don't like it - the borders are open."
        Let's just say, people were advised, they used it and who where. smile
  8. avia12005
    avia12005 24 May 2021 06: 19
    +1
    urge the UAC management not to engage in blatant nonsense in the form of renaming legal entities, shuffling "effective managers", changing signs and logos, rebranding and other nonsense.

    It is not necessary to call here. And drive Manturov with a filthy broom from the post of Minister of the Ministry of Industry and Trade. Maybe stop changing beds, huh?
  9. Fungus
    Fungus 24 May 2021 06: 26
    -10%
    A good and necessary plane. Soon they will finish and start mass production.
  10. Ros 56
    Ros 56 24 May 2021 06: 27
    +1
    Practical trial operation will dot Y.
    1. Olezhek
      Olezhek 24 May 2021 06: 33
      +2
      Practical trial operation will dot Y.


      Are you still hoping? request
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 24 May 2021 06: 35
        0
        I know this from experience.
        1. Olezhek
          Olezhek 24 May 2021 06: 47
          +4
          I will not portray a superspecialist, but some details and trifles (known from the history of aviation) can be finished
          But when there is such an advantage ...
          request
          Somehow sad
          Easier to redesign.
          The workhorse of transport aviation will most likely not work out of it.
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 24 May 2021 16: 14
        -1
        Dots above Yo will be put in a procession of experimental tests - an aircraft for the military is first of all created.
  11. Olezhek
    Olezhek 24 May 2021 06: 33
    +6
    There are many problems. The main problem - the advantage - is being solved, but it is being solved very slowly. The plane is still struggling to lift off the ground. At the time of the first flight, the overweight was more than three tons. How much the problem was reduced by the second flight, aviation specialists are silent.


    Actually, this paragraph already says very, very much request

    Let's be honest: it looks like the plane was poorly designed and it is very difficult to make a "candy" out of it retroactively
    The problems of "Antonov" today do not concern us in any way.
  12. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 24 May 2021 06: 45
    +1
    Blame or not blame ..... there is no one to replace. Antonov is everything, Tupolev is engaged in modernization ... and Ilyinichna has a shaft of work, at least, Il276 ...
    1. wolf46
      wolf46 24 May 2021 08: 19
      +4
      By the decision of the UAC, at the end of January this year, the SVTS Il-276 project was closed.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 24 May 2021 09: 05
        0
        Not up to him, probably ..... or haven't decided on the concept. Theoretically, you can lengthen the Il112 with a new wing and 4 theaters or shorten the Il476 with 2 PS-90 turbojet engines ... or do something based on the PD14
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  13. alekc75
    alekc75 24 May 2021 07: 17
    +1
    the author in the article a lot of water !!! there are few facts. you would know what and how on Avistar and then write about 76! for a start 476 is 4 option 76 !!!! what is new inside him do you know ???
    1. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 24 May 2021 07: 48
      +4
      you know. Lada Vesta also has a complete set: classic. comfort. luxury and sports .. and they differ in many ways. even motors .. but because of this they do not cease to be Vesta .. This does not mean that the IL-76 is bad, it is cool .. but the article is mainly about new aircraft. but not about whether the old ones are good or bad ..
      1. agond
        agond 24 May 2021 08: 05
        0
        Quote "The plane still barely lifts off the ground. At the time of the first flight, the overweight was more than three tons."
    2. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 24 May 2021 11: 51
      +6
      Quote: alekc75
      the author in the article a lot of water !!! there are few facts. you would know what and how on Avistar and then write about 76! for a start 476 is 4 option 76 !!!! what is new inside him do you know ???


      I understand you have never read about the C-130.
      First flight since 54.
      Which has 66 (sixty six) different versions and modifications.
      Transporters, Tankers, Gunships, Rescuers, and even landed and took off from an aircraft carrier ...
      And no one thinks that this is miraculous.
      That there is no heroism in this plane.
      And here, just that: "Yes, you know how difficult it is to work there, we are building rockets!" ...
      And then you start to find out that TsSKB Progress often orders details on the side, because there are no specialists left ... They ran away from this "Kozlov delusional generator"
  14. wolf46
    wolf46 24 May 2021 08: 07
    +9
    In April 2004, the Il-112 project won the competition for the development of a VTA aircraft for the Russian Air Force. The year is 2021 .. (c)
    In 2009, preparations began for the construction of four prototypes, and the following year, work on the aircraft was suspended. For the sake of the Ukrainian project AN-140.
    “It’s no secret that in 2010, when work on the Il-112 was stopped, we got five departments and switched to Irkut - they paid almost three times more. This is largely why they missed the weight problem,” said the former chief designer of PJSC. Il "Nikolay Talikov (end of November 2018). In other words, those people who initially worked on the Il-112 project and knew perfectly well its "childhood sores" went to free bread. After the Maidan, having lost several years, the officials came to their senses!
    So the author of the article shuffles the facts and omits important details .. not comme il faut !!
  15. Israel
    Israel 24 May 2021 08: 45
    +2
    Not quite sure why Superjet and MC-21 don't want to fly? Superjet is a really successful project, more than 200 production aircraft, what will happen with the MC-21 is not yet clear (more precisely, the aircraft will definitely fly and go into production, the question is with the international market), whether Russia will be able to replace Japanese composites, how quickly the PD engine will be ready. 14 to replace PW1431G and how quickly all the "children's" sores will go.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 24 May 2021 09: 10
      0
      Duiyu and with MC21 everything will be ok. his situation is better than that of the SSS. Two turbojet engines (one worldwide and a mass one and it has no problems with spare parts and supplies), the second is domestic .... and the largest segment of the market is the dimensions of the liners. the new А321XLR already fly between Europe and the USA at 7-8-9 t.km and hooking up the giants, because cheaper and board at regional airports ..
      and together with the SSZ, all types of capacity are obtained. SSJ -75 (C7 wants) -95 places-125 (extended promising) and MS 21 150 places (short) -210 places medium - and more (promising long)
      1. Israel
        Israel 24 May 2021 10: 35
        +7
        The problem with using the PW1431G is that the US could ban Russia from supplying the MC-21. As happened with Superjet, when the US essentially blocked a deal to sell planes to Iran due to the presence of a certain percentage of American technology in the Superjet.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 24 May 2021 11: 15
          +1
          This is a massive commercial turbojet engine ... They will definitely be banned from Iran, Cuba and the DPRK .... but there is no point in banning it in the Russian Federation. But your turbojet engine is needed, for competition and for domestic and military versions.
          When there is an alternative and competition, sanctions work already badly. The same will happen with Iran, How can we sell it "local" SSZ and MS .... the sanctions will be immediately revised.
    2. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 24 May 2021 11: 56
      +7
      Quote: Israel
      Not quite sure why Superjet and MC-21 don't want to fly? Superjet is a really successful project, more than 200 production aircraft, what will happen with the MC-21 is not yet clear (more precisely, the aircraft will definitely fly and go into production, the question is with the international market), whether Russia will be able to replace Japanese composites, how quickly the PD engine will be ready. 14 to replace PW1431G and how quickly all the "children's" sores will go.


      Because the sanctions.
      It seems that people do not understand what sanctions are.
      We were not only banned from selling technology and materials.
      But the entire Western world was banned from working with our companies.
      UEC-Aviadvigatel, Aerocomposite NPO Tekhnologiya, Irkut and many others are all under sanctions.
      And now any manufacturer of machine tools, equipment, tooling, software - selling their products to these enterprises - will be severely punished.
  16. anclevalico
    anclevalico 24 May 2021 09: 31
    +3
    We need to bring Rogozin there and everything will work out.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 24 May 2021 09: 51
      +5
      They have already pulled up Storetkin ... Rogozin Jr.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 24 May 2021 16: 17
        0
        During his reign, the Il 76 90A assembly line was launched at Aviastar.
    2. Maxim Davydov
      Maxim Davydov 24 May 2021 09: 58
      +2
      Rogozin was already in Ilyushin, suddenly after the first flight of the Il-112 he jumped back to those industries where there is more money, and mmm .. there are fewer management requirements.
  17. Narak-zempo
    Narak-zempo 24 May 2021 09: 51
    +2
    It is also impossible to endlessly patch An-12 and An-26.

    And who prevents, instead of developing a new aircraft from scratch, starting the production of modernized versions of these two? Well, there, change the engines and avionics. And so the designs are proven. And fine-tuning them to serial production in modern realities would be a good school of personnel. You can set the same task for Ilyushin. As at one time Tupolev copied the B-29.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 24 May 2021 10: 06
      +7
      Here in the USSR, An12 was removed from production .... China is still making it, like the US C-130.
  18. Narak-zempo
    Narak-zempo 24 May 2021 09: 53
    -8
    in Ukraine

    So the author was burned. Either he wanted to lick the kaklam, or he himself kakel and writes from behind the hillock.
    1. Shiden
      Shiden 24 May 2021 10: 24
      +7
      That is, if the author raises the problems of the aircraft industry in Russia, he is a foreign agent, if only he would write odes as a patriot. in the same vein on this site, maybe in six months, and here you will become a marshal of your like-minded people, they will try a lot.
      1. Narak-zempo
        Narak-zempo 24 May 2021 10: 30
        -12%
        What does this have to do with it? The author slept on "in Ukraine" instead of "in Ukraine", although a real patriot would write "vna 404".
        1. Shiden
          Shiden 24 May 2021 11: 04
          +8
          Maybe the author is higher on the intellectual level than some, as you would like if your country was also labeled or named according to the capital. Maderators do not pay attention, although the rules of the site are forbidden, but patriots can. You know, I brought out one truth that a patriot, you yourself will guess what I wanted to say in the dispute, the ray does not enter because their point of view is always correct and all around the fools.
        2. Titus_2
          Titus_2 24 May 2021 23: 47
          -1
          A true patriot thinks about his homeland, but in or out of secondary importance. By the way, I could also write as you like, but this is not an indicator.
          1. Shiden
            Shiden 25 May 2021 08: 00
            0
            Quote: Titus_2
            A true patriot thinks about his homeland, but in or out of secondary importance. By the way, I could also write as you like, but this is not an indicator.

            You know, if a person does not agree or criticizes the authorities, this does not mean that he does not love his homeland. Well, if you call yourself a patriot, there is nothing to label an opponent who has his own point of view.
  19. 123456789
    123456789 24 May 2021 10: 12
    0

    “From the moment of the first flight, during which the main aerodynamic characteristics were checked, all aircraft systems were refined and work was carried out to reduce the weight of the aircraft, which made it possible to transfer the aircraft to the stage of preliminary tests conducted jointly with the Ministry of Defense. At the same time, preparations are underway for production for serial production of up to 12 aircraft per year, which will satisfy the needs of the Ministry of Defense for military transport aircraft of this type and ensure a steady load of the enterprise, "said First Deputy General Director of PJSC UAC, Managing Director of PJSC Il Sergey Yarkovoy.
  20. Voenmeh
    Voenmeh 24 May 2021 10: 51
    +5
    I agree with the author! The design bureaus and the aviation industry as a whole should be headed by highly qualified specialists in the field of aircraft construction, and not "effective" managers as they are now !!! To chase the UAC leadership in the neck !!! General designers should be in charge of the design bureau and the Firm as a whole !!!
    1. Smirnov Sergey
      Smirnov Sergey 25 May 2021 20: 31
      +1
      You don't understand anything about management. There is a proverb that a person climbs the career ladder reaching the level of his incompetence. The designer copes with his job - you make him the chief designer - he no longer pulls. And since he cannot cope, then he will not go further - he cannot cope, and will not go back, well, how - he will be offended. So it occupies the place where it cannot cope. This time. In addition to designing the aircraft, the manager must provide other production processes from hiring new employees, ordering materials and components, to organizing certification and service. Where is construction here? If a person was able to calculate the parameters for the fuselage, then it is not a fact that he will cope well with the task of organizing service. It is necessary for everyone to do their own thing and do it well.
  21. xomaNN
    xomaNN 24 May 2021 11: 42
    +4
    The frames from the KB are gone. And what was left for them? I myself worked in the military-industrial complex and I remember how we spent months without wages and work. And I had to look for a new application of strength. Someone remained in engineering. And someone went to the market-bazaar to sell clothes.
    So it is in Ukraine. Here, and "Antonov" is barely alive. Without money.
    And in Russia there is money and orders. New cadres will grow And they will create their own planes.
  22. Glagol1
    Glagol1 24 May 2021 12: 37
    +4
    The military set the task of 6 tons when flying at a given range. Now there are many reports that 5 tons without problems and 5,5 tons when entering the serial production. In other words, 90% of the loading task is complete. It will go into series production, 30-40 aircraft will be produced, operating experience will appear, in parallel, the design bureau will look, and an IL-112VM with a load of 6 tons will appear. There is no alternative anyway! Everything burned out with Antonov, and they themselves can barely bother with the AN-178, which also has problems with weight and centering. We have no other. Bring to mind, and release with access to subsequent upgrades.
  23. RoTTor
    RoTTor 24 May 2021 12: 43
    0
    Il-112 \\ An-140
    Ukraine in this most popular class of aircraft had an advantage over the Russian Federation in 20 years.
    WELL…???
    In Ukraine, out of their own stupidity, they themselves ditched, starting with the "miracle worker of the kirpa" An-140 / An-140-100. which had every chance to replace the An-24 / An-26, 20 years ago it was mass-produced in Kharkov, Iran, in the Russian Federation and proved itself excellent in the most difficult operating conditions and had every chance to occupy the huge market of the entire post-Soviet and post-socialist space and countries "Third world".

    Former aviation country ...
    And this is asking ... or, as always.
    The culprit-saboteurs who ruined the Ukrainian aviation industry are unpunished and free.

    https://www.facebook.com/Transpress_viczel-178637738821455/
  24. seacap
    seacap 24 May 2021 13: 42
    +7
    And what, actually, to expect from "effective", but thieving managers, and the personnel policy causes more bewilderment, to put it mildly, and if not mildly, then ... What development and progress of the UAC can provide a "furniture production manager" who received awards for the defeat of the RF Armed Forces or in astronautics, a journalist who has some "successes" in poetry and in humiliation and shame of the country with his posts in honor of the successes of others, when thieving accountants, with an eternally suffering appearance, "rule" medicine and the social block, successfully bringing them together to degradation, when education acquires the status of an elite-estate, when the criterion of everything and everyone, success and talent, material and spiritual, progress and morality is exclusively and only loot, and here and now.
    Having created a hereditary estate society, far from the best representatives of the people, but mostly people without honor and conscience, with modest intellectual abilities and talents, but often the most unprincipled and ambitious, they suddenly became an "elite" (agricultural term), owners of untold wealth that had been created over the centuries. and the people gathered by the peoples of a betrayed and killed empire, whom the new nobility despises, fears and therefore hates, pursues a policy of genocide. While the guarantor, who is the guarantor for 1%, is out there somewhere, without interfering with them, communicates with the TV, this whole pack, stupefied with dough, permissiveness and impunity, is raging in the vastness of our immense, then what is left of it, and is it still ours? question. All of them, with their actions and attitude towards the state, people and territories, are more reminiscent of the actions of the colonial administration, not about the development of the Russian Federation, not about progress, but about the purposeful and methodological destruction of a competitor of the overseas metropolis, genocide and the cleansing of territories. If it was not possible to finally solve the Slavic issue at 41, it is successfully possible now, moreover, with enormous profit and without costs, as the dead but not stupid immigrant Pole said, “to destroy and finally resolve this issue ... by the hands of the Russians and at the expense of the Russians themselves. " And you are an airplane, we cannot replace a "maize", but here is a transport worker, but we are creating a society of "advanced consumers" by providing educational services for Soros and Gref, this is not about the development of talents, creativity and an engineering and design school, for this loot will not get here and now, which means it is harmful and economically unprofitable.
  25. sibiryouk
    sibiryouk 24 May 2021 14: 01
    +3
    I do not agree with R. Skomorokhov! - You can't lure engineers with high salaries! In fact, there are very few of them left, they must be prepared according to special state programs, otherwise we will be left without engineers at all. We have good young engineers at ISS JSC in Zheleznogorsk, especially design engineers in a big deficit! And in Krasnoyarsk there are many vacant engineering vacancies - there are simply no specialists!
    1. spectr
      spectr 24 May 2021 15: 03
      +7
      Here a more amusing situation turns out and how to solve it is not clear. The enterprise needs specialists to solve non-trivial tasks. But as soon as they are resolved and there is a pause, such a special becomes a ballast. The enterprise can at this time "bathe in chocolate" and gain additional ballast in the form of any matchmakers and godfathers. And then hard times come and getting rid of the ballast begins. Naturally, "brother-in-law" is removed in the last place.
      It is clear that this is not the case everywhere, but the phenomenon is quite frequent. Especially in those offices that are tied to government orders.
  26. Intruder
    Intruder 24 May 2021 14: 02
    +1
    Nothing will be built without engineers who have gone away from the "huge" factory salaries.
    And again they will go the road, to the side: "they could not" and run to the right .., to the next (next), strictly planned implementation date on papers and in animated films !? crying
  27. Klingon
    Klingon 24 May 2021 14: 35
    0
    Yeah. this is how D'Effective Managers work. And at one time, the Yak-40 was designed and built in a year and a half. But then they worked without Managers and the signs were simple. The task was simply given - a light passenger plane is needed, capable of flying even to hell on the middle of nowhere and landing and taking off from anywhere, even from a potato field. Yes, I ate a lot of kerosene, but then it was not critical ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 24 May 2021 16: 19
      -1
      And at one time the Yak-40 was designed and built in a year and a half. And the result was a devouring fuel and a difficult-to-maintain aircraft, which was subsequently abandoned due to high operating costs, now the market economy is counting all the money.
  28. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 24 May 2021 14: 35
    +2
    Shoot everyone in the Ilyushin Design Bureau))
  29. Recoil
    Recoil 24 May 2021 14: 35
    +5
    Author
    Write to Putin
    Or Lenin
    The effect is the same.
  30. SHAH
    SHAH 24 May 2021 15: 11
    +3
    [i] [/ i] First of all, there is a need to remove the christenko-pogosyan-manturs-serdyukovs and such chains throughout the government, in all directions, both in industry and in medicine, education, and science in the defense industry. , almost everywhere. fifth column ...
  31. senima56
    senima56 24 May 2021 15: 29
    +1
    You read that. You agree. And it becomes sad.
    1. agond
      agond 24 May 2021 16: 50
      +2
      With the presence of engines, such an aircraft could have been created 40 years ago, there is nothing in it that needs to be invented, but now, in general, take ready-made, proven for decades, structural and technological solutions, and design on a computer, senior students of the MAI must cope , and then. If the designer and the customer know well what they need, then no sanctions will interfere.
  32. Klingon
    Klingon 24 May 2021 16: 22
    +3
    Quote: Vadim237
    And at one time the Yak-40 was designed and built in a year and a half. And the result was a devouring fuel and a difficult-to-maintain aircraft, which was subsequently abandoned due to high operating costs, now the market economy is counting all the money.

    I am aware of the fuel, read the comments until the end! At that time, the question of fuel was not raised at all! but the plane was made and made quickly and operated until the mid-90s, however. even I managed to fly it a couple of times
  33. Vadim237
    Vadim237 24 May 2021 16: 23
    -1
    "And today the public joint-stock company" Aviation Complex named after S. V. Ilyushin "unfortunately demonstrates only its helplessness in matters of development and construction of aircraft. ... Another delirium sucked out of the finger, the author end your empty whining.
  34. CastroRuiz
    CastroRuiz 24 May 2021 16: 54
    +1
    The plane looks good and is modern.
    Not where devatsa. It is necessary to do everything possible and unwanted shtob he reached the TTX statements.
  35. ermak124.0
    ermak124.0 24 May 2021 18: 07
    0
    Superjet doesn't want to fly? All-vanishing man, are you out of your mind?
  36. at84432384
    at84432384 24 May 2021 18: 36
    +2
    There is a whole socio-economic tangle here. The point is not even that the young engineering shoots are poorly educated, that could be corrected, the point is in the very privatization model of the state. Everything is being privatized, money allocated for national projects, functions of civil servants. Where are the children and real estate of government officials? That's right, in the West. So why should they arrange a normal life in Russia and strengthen their defenses ?! In 2010, the Ministry of Labor was supposed to develop and implement a new tariff scale ... Well, why should he? This is how we live: managers receive millions of salaries, and performers - a penny. Here it is not necessary to repaint the walls, but to change the girls, that is, the system.
  37. Ruslan Sledkov
    Ruslan Sledkov 24 May 2021 21: 22
    0
    I was convinced about the harm of reorganizations from my own experience. The deed must be done, not portrayed
  38. AC130 Ganship
    AC130 Ganship 24 May 2021 21: 30
    +1
    I started reading the article and, to put it mildly, went nuts. The author is so far from the topic of aviation that:
    1. Writes about some former cooperation between the firms An and Il. There was only competition.
    2. Antonov, Mr. author, after the collapse of the USSR, brought into series 3 types of aircraft: 148/158, 140 and 178. 158, by the way, were delivered to Cuba. You don't have that on the list.
    3. Where the final assembly is going is not an indication of whose aircraft it is. From the fact that Il76 was previously produced in Tashkent, it certainly did not become Uzbek.
    4. IL-114 has never been cargo. Even if you cut an additional healthy door in it from the side. Well, of course, he will be able to carry some boxes.
    I did not read further. Learn the mat part shorter
  39. Michael
    Michael 24 May 2021 22: 35
    0
    Always wondered why not airships? A hundred years ago, they drove through the Atlantic Ocean, but now only Chinese lanterns are in the fixprice.
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  41. Smirnov Sergey
    Smirnov Sergey 25 May 2021 20: 16
    +1
    What are all the prophets? The plane took off for the second time almost in March, and since then it has been flying regularly, carrying out the test program, you can see it on the flyradar. Why was there a lot of time between the first and second flights? The runway was repaired - this is also known. But this time was not wasted either - they made the plane easier. About "overweight" is generally a joke. Was it heavier than the technical task? Are there any models according to which it can weigh less without losing strength characteristics? He was unable to lift the weight laid down in the TK? And here we will quickly find out that he has not yet flown "loaded", so he can lift 5 tons or not, no one knows yet, and the quality of the models and the validity of the parameters of the technical specification may also not be very correct, because with personnel, as it was rightly noted here, we are not very good. Therefore, it remains only to wait for the second test car, where the reduction in the mass of the aircraft will be fully implemented and which will show what it is really capable of.
  42. sergblace1.ru
    sergblace1.ru 26 May 2021 06: 16
    +1
    will continue to finish off production. The raw material colony does not need its own planes.
  43. Pilot1974
    Pilot1974 26 May 2021 07: 22
    +1
    Until the Guarantor understands that people with specialized education should be in charge of the aviation industry, and not stool, show-producer and statistical, we will fly on old stuff, and competent personnel will be fired by them. The Il-112V was supposed to take off back in 2006, but Taburetkin-Serdyukov did everything to prevent this from happening. He dispersed both flight and technical schools. And he became the Hero of Labor of Russia. Low bow to the Guarantor for this.
  44. Starshina
    Starshina 26 May 2021 20: 14
    0
    Thirty years have passed since the collapse of the USSR and things are still there !!! And for those idiots who say that you still need to wait and everything will work out, let me remind you what state the country was in after the 1917 revolution !!! And for how long the aviation industry was established in much worse conditions than now !!! You just need to work and not wipe your pants --- which is what they do in Ilyushin Design Bureau !!! I'm not talking about the absolutely unprofessional leadership from the sons of bureaucrats --- who only knows how to competently steal and cut the funds allocated by the state !!! And someone counted how much the state allocated funds for this plane --- yes, for this money, you can cast this plane out of gold. It's time to stop allocating huge amounts of money to factories and design bureaus. who cannot build anything on their own and transfer all aircraft factories to self-sufficiency as all efficient production facilities work all over the world and not feed idlers and mediocrities at the expense of the rest of the citizens of Russia !!!
  45. LSI_72
    LSI_72 27 May 2021 05: 58
    0
    Quote: SovAr238A
    There are avionics kits on the MC-21 - only 5 pcs.
    The following deliveries are under very big questions due to sanctions.
    So even if we adjust the PD-14, we will build the wing and keel from composites.
    What will we do if all the certified avionics for such Civil Aviation aircraft have not been developed or produced in our country ... ???

    Let's release only 5 aircraft with a false idea of ​​import substitution?

    SovAr238A you still do not have all the information about avionics.
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  47. svarga911
    svarga911 27 May 2021 11: 18
    0
    Until it's not too late? Judging by the problems it was too late yesterday. Now we should talk not even about resuscitation, but revival. If the continuity is broken, then that's it. Cadres are everything. Now, if, of course, there are no problems with financing, you have to wait for new constructors to stick into the topic, bumps in, gain experience ... And the "effective" ones also bring destabilization with materiel ...
  48. Radikal
    Radikal 27 May 2021 15: 51
    0
    Quote: avia12005
    urge the UAC management not to engage in blatant nonsense in the form of renaming legal entities, shuffling "effective managers", changing signs and logos, rebranding and other nonsense.

    It is not necessary to call here. And drive Manturov with a filthy broom from the post of Minister of the Ministry of Industry and Trade.
    But what about the one who approved him for this position, and keeps it for so many years without changing? winked lol
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  50. Al356
    Al356 27 May 2021 23: 21
    0
    Due to "cooperation between Antonov and Ilyushin," Ilyushin's project was stabbed to death in 2004, and years were lost. Such cooperation is in the firebox.