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Anti-tank complex CCMS-H. New plans for the US Army

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Anti-tank complex CCMS-H. New plans for the US Army

Rockets BGM-71 of various modifications


In 1970, the latest anti-tank missile system BGM-71 TOW entered service with the US Army. Thanks to a number of upgrades, this ATGM is still in service and is the main system of its class. However, in the distant future, they plan to abandon it in favor of a promising system. Preliminary work in this direction has already begun.

Plans for the future


On April 7, Fort Benning (Georgia) hosted the annual conference of the Maneuver Capabilities Development and Integration Directorate, dedicated to the development of ground forces weapons. During the event, Melee Capabilities Leader Mark Andrews revealed current plans to replace legacy TOWs.

The Pentagon plans to launch the Close Combat Missile System-Heavy (CCMS-H) program, during which an existing or future ATGM will be selected that meets the new requirements of the army. The current version of the requirements for such a complex provides for an increase in all tactical and technical characteristics, the appearance of different modes of operation, simplification of operation, etc.

So far, we are talking only about the preliminary version of the requirements. In the future, after obtaining the appropriate permits and funding, a full-fledged program is expected to start. Then the competitive part of the program will be held, according to the results of which the winner will be selected. Serial production of new anti-tank systems and deployment in the troops will begin no earlier than 2028-30.


Launching a TOW rocket from a portable installation

During the conference, they also clarified a promising ATGM in the troops. Self-propelled combat vehicles with the new missile will be used at the platoon and company level. At the same time, it is possible to bring them to a higher level, up to the brigade. However, the exact aspects of the deployment and application of CCMS-H remain uncertain.

New requirements


M. Andrews revealed the basic requirements for the future ATGM. As before, it is proposed to create a complex of a heavy class for placement on various equipment, however, it is necessary to significantly increase the main characteristics and introduce new capabilities.

The CCMS-H missile should hit targets at a distance of 10 km. In this case, the flight should take place at altitudes of no more than 3 thousand feet (912 m) above the ground - the calculations of anti-tank systems should not depend on the characteristics of the air situation. It is necessary to increase the flight speed in comparison with current products.

It is proposed to implement in one complex several different principles of guidance and control. The rocket should be guided by commands from the launcher, and also have a "fire-and-forget" mode. It is also required to provide for the possibility of capturing a target before and after launch, incl. after arriving in the area with the given coordinates.

The warhead of the missile must ensure the destruction of existing and expected armored vehicles and fortified structures. It is proposed to reduce the minimum firing range. On current missiles, the warhead is cocked after 1-2 km of flight, and in the future, this distance should be reduced to 100 m. The missile should be resistant to any means of target protection, from "soft" means of suppression to active protection.


Self-propelled ATGM M1167

In addition to the basic requirements, there are additional ones, the fulfillment of which is still considered optional, but desirable. Self-propelled ATGM can be able to track the target, fire and guide the missile on the move. Its equipment could help the operator identify and identify targets, determine their priority and distribute tasks between several combat vehicles. It would be useful to reduce the role of satellite navigation, which is vulnerable to enemy attacks.

Sample for replacement


The promising CCMS-H ATGM is considered as a future replacement for the TOW systems of all existing modifications. At the moment, it is the TOW of several versions that are the main anti-tank weapon of the US Army and Marine Corps. In addition, such ATGMs are in service with fifty foreign states.

Depending on the modification, BGM-71 missiles have a length of up to 1,5 m and weigh up to 23 kg. The maximum flight range reaches 4,2 km at a speed of up to 278 m / s - a flight to the maximum range takes approx. 20 sec. There are several types of cumulative warheads with penetration up to 850-900 mm behind ERA. All major TOW modifications use semi-automatic guidance, in which the launcher equipment transmits commands to the missile along unwound wires.

The US Armed Forces use several versions of the TOW ATGM. The ground forces and the ILC use portable complexes. In addition, the army has over 1000 units. self-propelled ATGM M1167 based on HMMWV and over 130 units. M1134 machines on the Stryker chassis. More than a hundred similar LAV-AT machines are operated in the KMP. In the United States and in several foreign armies, TOW is used as weapons for helicopters.


LAV-AT Marine Corps

Now there are several main complaints against the TOW ATGM. The army is not satisfied with the limited firing range, which no longer gives advantages over the enemy. The low speed of the rocket is also criticized - it increases the duration of the flight, reduces the likelihood of hitting the target and leads to risks for the calculation. Despite all the upgrades, the complex retains a fairly old guidance system, and the characteristics of the warhead do not provide a guaranteed defeat of modern tanks.

Project Perspectives


In light of TOW's age and known shortcomings, launching CCMS-H seems like a logical and expected step. In the coming years, the issues of insufficient characteristics and general obsolescence of the BGM-71 will increase their relevance, and therefore it is now necessary to think about replacing this rocket.

The announced requirements for a promising ATGM system reflect both the needs of the American army and current trends in the development of anti-tank systems. So, the range requirements indicate a desire to catch up with the leading foreign samples. The desired appearance of guidance systems also resembles foreign developments. However, it is possible to create and implement completely new solutions in different areas. In particular, it is very interesting how the issue of increasing the missile's resistance to enemy defenses will be resolved.

A promising ATGM is designated as heavy. This means that it will be used mainly with various self-propelled platforms. Currently, HMMWV, Stryker, etc. are used in this role, and by 2030 new media types should be used. Whether a portable version of the infantry complex will be created is unclear.


TOW in the armament complex of the AH-1W helicopter

Probably, in the near future, the Pentagon will prepare the final version of the requirements for CCMS-H, which will allow the launch of full-scale work on the new program. It should be expected that a number of American companies with promising projects will join it. In addition, foreign organizations can participate in the competition. So, most of the announced requirements are met by some complexes of the Israeli Spike family.

Since we are not talking about the modernization of the existing model, but about the development of completely new weapons, the CCMS-H program can stretch over several years. Obviously, the Pentagon understands this and makes realistic estimates. It will be possible to complete the development and start rearmament no earlier than 2028-30. The estimated cost of the program and specific products are not yet ready to name.

Update issues


The CCMS-H program has not yet officially started and the development of a new ATGM has not yet begun, and they plan to spend 8-10 years on the work. During this time, the US Army will have to use the aging TOW systems, which already do not meet all the requirements. In the future, this situation will only get worse, and any delay in the new program threatens the rearmament and combat capability of the army.

The requirements clearly indicate that the CCMS-H program will be complex, expensive and time-consuming. At the same time, their successful implementation will allow the United States to obtain a promising anti-tank system, at least not inferior to foreign models. Will it be possible to fulfill all the tasks set - it will become known only in a few years. In the meantime, the main issue is the launch of a new program.
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  1. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. April 22 2021 04: 44
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    We have 8-10 years ... in this period of time it is necessary to find an antidote to the new Pentagon ATGM.
    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U April 22 2021 05: 01
      +5
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      We have 8-10 years ... in this period of time it is necessary to find an antidote to the new Pentagon ATGM.

      Yes, all the same measures - interference, shooting on approach, reactive armor, armor. There are only problems with shooting, and not with development, but financial ones.
      1. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. April 22 2021 05: 21
        -4
        And what about an electromagnetic pulse of high power? ... Burning the electronic stuffing of the rocket.
        Why not follow this path of counteraction?
        1. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U April 22 2021 05: 31
          +6
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          And what about an electromagnetic pulse of high power? ... Burning the electronic stuffing of the rocket.
          This is what kind of emitter on the tank will have to pile up, with appropriate consumption and vulnerability, or EMP ammunition to shoot towards, and without a guarantee. It is easier to blind the optics of the seeker with a laser, which has already been implemented.
        2. SovAr238A
          SovAr238A April 22 2021 08: 45
          +1
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          And what about an electromagnetic pulse of high power? ... Burning the electronic stuffing of the rocket.
          Why not follow this path of counteraction?


          Well, then you have to be prepared for the fact that the tank will also stand up with "dead electronics" ...
          Yes, and there are plenty of means of protection against EMP now ...
          Unless, of course, you are going to shoot down anti-tank missiles with nuclear weapons ...
      2. Passing
        Passing April 22 2021 18: 54
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        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        ... There are only problems with shooting

        IMHO problems with everything. A promising ATGM will not attack head-on, like Cornet, but at an angle, like Javellin. Therefore, frontal armor and dynamic protection in flight, and this cannot be fixed in any way. Interference is also not a panacea, because their effectiveness can be zero, depending on different things. The only reliable option is KAZ, but the one on the Armata obviously cannot work on dive missiles.
      3. English tarantas
        English tarantas April 24 2021 19: 29
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        And if there is a 1200mm breakdown in the roof?
    2. riwas
      riwas April 22 2021 05: 38
      +3
      We have 8-10 years ... in this period of time it is necessary to find an antidote to the new Pentagon ATGM.

      Along with anti-missiles, interference and KAZ, it would be nice to have a laser for burning out sensitive elements of infrared, television, semi-active laser seeker ATGMs. Yes, and on observation devices, semi-automatic ATGM installations can work well.
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U April 22 2021 06: 07
        +3
        Quote: riwas
        Along with anti-missiles,
        This does not fit on a tank yet.
        Quote: riwas
        it would be nice to have a laser for burning

        On the Armata, they seem to mention this.
        1. SovAr238A
          SovAr238A April 22 2021 08: 46
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          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          Quote: riwas
          Along with anti-missiles,
          This does not fit on a tank yet.
          Quote: riwas
          it would be nice to have a laser for burning

          On the Armata, they seem to mention this.


          The installation of the required power has the dimensions of "Peresvet" ...
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U April 22 2021 08: 59
            +4
            Quote: SovAr238A
            The installation of the required power has the dimensions of "Peresvet".
            Even optics does not require burning out, let alone blind and even more so.
        2. riwas
          riwas April 23 2021 04: 45
          +3
          This does not fit on a tank yet.

          To destroy the sensitive elements of infrared, television, semi-active laser seeker missiles, a high-power laser is not needed.
          For example, the American firm Northrop Grumman has developed the Nemesis on-board optoelectronic countermeasure system (BASOP). It is designed for individual protection of aircraft and helicopters from surface-to-air and air-to-air missiles. The main advantage of the system is that the countermeasures include a laser device that provides functional damage to the GOS matrix photodetectors. You shouldn't install such a system on a tank, but you can use it on an BMPT.
        3. psiho117
          psiho117 April 23 2021 19: 52
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          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          On the Armata, they seem to mention this.

          The Ketays have had a similar laser for 15 years - on the "Type 99".
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U April 23 2021 20: 31
            +1
            Quote: psiho117
            The Ketays have had a similar laser for 15 years - on the "Type 99".

            Not exactly that, we are talking about suppressing the seeker, but on the Type it is a suppressor of ground optics and sights, here is the question of speed and accuracy of guidance and hold.
      2. Passing
        Passing April 22 2021 19: 54
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        Quote: riwas
        it would be nice to have a laser

        The laser has a fixed wavelength, making a filter that cuts off several typical wavelengths and allows the rest of the optical and IR range to pass through there is no problem. So, lasers for dazzling are pointless. If we talk about "burning out", i.e. type of "burning through" the filter and matrix in seconds, then this is a power of tens, but rather hundreds of kilowatts. And these are huge dimensions. For example, just a 10 kW laser:
        1. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U April 23 2021 05: 41
          +3
          Quote: Passing by
          cutting off several typical wavelengths, and allowing the rest of the optical and infrared range to pass through there is no problem
          Come on, several, then it is that a laser with several multi-wavelength emitters is not a problem, and even with one slightly more powerful optics will simply clog.
          1. sen
            sen April 23 2021 08: 22
            +3
            Laser station for protection against attacking missiles of the "President-S" system with guidance system - LS3100-1-04. Weight 24,6 kg.

            https://missiles2go.ru/2014/08/22/в-полку-президентов-прибыло/
            1. Passing
              Passing April 23 2021 12: 35
              +1
              Quote: sen
              Laser station for protection against attacking missiles of the "President-S" system

              This station works only for one reason - it is not among the troops. As soon as it is massively implemented, it will stop working.
              There will simply be new versions of missiles with invulnerable seeker for it, because the developers of the seeker have a fundamental advantage over the developers of laser jammers.
          2. Passing
            Passing April 23 2021 12: 25
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            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            a laser with several multi-wavelength emitters is not a problem

            A problem, and pointless.
            Add one more wavelength, add the volume of the device in multiples. This is the first problem, because the dimensions are already large.
            The second problem is the solid-state laser emitters themselves. You can't just go and put out "diodes" for a million different wavelengths. I am not an expert, but as far as I understand, the wavelength depends on the dielectric properties of the material, i.e. limited to materials actually mastered in microelectronics, which is confirmed by the fact that all laser diodes available at the household level have several or rather the same wavelength for certain combinations of materials. Those. the number of wavelengths is practically realizable.
            And the third problem is that it is generally not necessary to create a filter that cuts out individual spectra (although it is immeasurably simpler and cheaper than multispectral lasers), it is enough to create a filter that transmits a narrow spectrum in the sensitivity zone of the GOS matrix. Moreover, the photocell of the matrix is ​​sensitive in a very wide range of wavelengths, and lasers have strictly fixed wavelengths. Those. it is enough to choose the filter transparency window beyond the values ​​of any practically available for laser diodes today, and the question will be closed for decades to come.
            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            yes, even with one a little more powerful, the optics will simply clog.

            How is it a little more powerful? The filter does not matter, as long as it is not physically destroyed, it will filter. And to destroy in a second (the speed of Javellin in the final section is -100m / s), you need a laser of one hundred kilowatts. And this will not fit on a tank.
            1. Vladimir_2U
              Vladimir_2U April 23 2021 18: 01
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              Quote: Passing by
              A problem, and pointless.
              Add one more wavelength, add the volume of the device in multiples. This is the first problem, because the dimensions are already large.
              You add filters, you lose the sensitivity of the seeker, three filters will block almost the entire luminous flux - once,

              Quote: Passing by
              The filter does not matter, as long as it is not physically destroyed, it will filter.
              This is complete nonsense, because with a sufficiently powerful stream the filter breaks through without destruction - two. The simplest example is sunglasses, they hold the reflected light, and will no longer protect a direct look at the Sun.

              Quote: Passing by
              I'm not an expert
              The same garbage, but I understand a little physics, I know how to use search, because:
              Radiation wavelength A semiconductor laser can be controlled by varying the diode current or heat sink temperature, as well as by using a magnetic field or pressure.

              Multispectral gratings made of a set of LD lines, in which the maximum radiation wavelength is shifted relative to each other

              some lasers, in particular the free electron laser, can change the operating wavelength over a wide range.
              These are three.

              Quote: Passing by
              it is enough to create a filter that transmits a narrow spectrum in the sensitivity zone of the GOS matrix
              This is just nonsense, not only are the filters PRESSURE even in their range, and the band sensitivity of the seeker is much more difficult to change, and the leakage of its data will allow you to instantly select the laser for suppression.

              In general, you greatly overestimate the capabilities of filters, just as greatly underestimating the capabilities of lasers, I do not mean destructive power.
              1. Passing
                Passing April 23 2021 20: 47
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                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                You add filters, you lose the sensitivity of the seeker, three filters will block almost the entire luminous flux - once,

                Apparently you perceive a light filter in the context of photographic attachments, in which the concept of a filter is very blurred over the range, such as "green", "red", etc. I'm talking specifically about narrow-spectrum blocking / transmitting light filter of a narrow wavelength range. For example, here is a quote from the manufacturer of such filters.
                We have the ability to spray various types of multilayer interference coatings - narrow-band, blocking short-wave, blocking long-wave and their combinations. Spectral ranges of coatings - from visible to 14 microns. The half-width of narrow-band filters is 10 nm and higher.

                Therefore, "three filters" (narrow-band) will not block anything, except for several wavelengths, everything else will pass by about 80%, and if you combine the filters on one substrate, then more than 90% will pass.

                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                sunglasses, they hold the reflected light, and a direct look at the sun will no longer protect.

                Not a subject example. Specifically, according to the glasses, the reflected stream is less powerful, therefore it does not blind, and direct sunlight blinds. The luminous flux has nothing to do with it. Photochromic glasses adjust, but still off topic. On the topic - the diffraction grating will heat up, but until it melts, it will block the desired spectrum.

                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                The wavelength of the radiation of a semiconductor laser can be controlled by changing the diode current or the temperature of the heat sink, as well as using a magnetic field or pressure.

                For any laser diode, either the wavelength or the range is written, which is very narrow. According to your own sources:
                The company OAO NII Polyus [2] has developed quasi-continuous diode arrays of the 321 DL-520V series based on InGaAs / AlGaAs / GaAs epitaxial heterostructures with radiation at a wavelength of 920-960 nm and the DL-321A series 520 based on Al / GaAs / GaAs epitaxial nanoheterostructures with radiation at a wavelength of 802-810 nm for pumping pulsed solid-state lasers.
                Probably in this range 920-960, i.e. only 40 nm and adjustable.

                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                Multispectral gratings are made from a set of LD arrays, in which the maximum radiation wavelength is shifted relative to each other.

                Don't say gop ... until a real powerful laser is made, there may be unsolvable problems with these matrices. Well, ok, let's say we made a powerful two-spectrum laser. Saved volume. This does not solve the filter problem. As it was, limited by substances mastered by the electronic industry, the number of practically possible spectra for a laser diode has remained.

                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                some lasers, in particular the free electron laser, can change the operating wavelength over a wide range.

                This is not the topic at all. This is not a semiconductor laser, but theoretical crap for space battleships. fellow , in principle not realizable in a compact size.

                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                filters PRESS

                I strongly object! stop (see above about diffraction gratings)

                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                the band sensitivity of the seeker is much more difficult to change

                What is the difficulty? The wavelength range recorded by IR matrices is several thousand nanometers, the spectrum width of a particular laser is about 40 nm. We just select a narrow-band filter, even for several bands, and that's it.
                1. Vladimir_2U
                  Vladimir_2U April 24 2021 13: 39
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                  Quote: Passing by
                  Spectral ranges of coatings - from visible to 14 microns. The half-width of narrow-band filters is 10 nm and higher.
                  Therefore, "three filters" (narrowband) will not block anything, except for a few wavelengths,
                  You did not notice the simple thing, these coatings are not declared in any way as protective, even blocking filters made of optical glass are not declared in any way as protective, especially against powerful laser radiation.
                  Quote: Passing by
                  On the topic - the diffraction grating will heat up, but until it melts, it will block the desired spectrum.
                  Namely, this is just a protection against short-term exposure, when exposed to something more powerful and longer than a pointer, the grating will die quickly and either itself will drown out the entire spectrum, or will cease to be an obstacle.
                  Quote: Passing by
                  Not a subject example. Specifically by points
                  Well, as a very general example gave.
                  Quote: Passing by
                  Probably in this range 920-960, i.e. only 40 nm and adjustable.
                  It's strange, I instantly found such a thing
                  PG401 This model has a tuning range of wavelengths from 420 nm to 2300 nm and is optimized for generating the highest energy pulses in the visible spectrum. Wide wavelength tuning range makes the PG401 system suitable for most spectroscopic applications.
                  PG501-DFG This model has a tuning range of wavelengths from 2300 nm to 16000 nm... Model PG501-DFG1 is the optimal solution for vibrational SFG spectroscopy.
                  You see, these research laser installations do not leave a single chance to filters on the GOS, either in the width of the spectrum or in the power.
                  https://www.czl.ru/catalog/lasers/opo-ekspla/optical-parametric-oscillator-pgx01.html

                  Quote: Passing by
                  filters PRESS
                  I strongly object! stop (see above about diffraction gratings)
                  For God's sake, object as much as you like.
                  1. Passing
                    Passing April 24 2021 17: 50
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                    Quote: Vladimir_2U
                    You did not notice the simple thing, these coatings are not declared in any way as protective ... from powerful laser radiation.

                    It is better to discuss such things on specifics, last time I did not provide a link, sorry, I am correcting myself:
                    Filters: https://oltech.ru/catalog/spektralnye-filtry/
                    Pay attention to the substrates used, for example fluorides, they are very heat resistant and transmit far infrared.
                    An important clarification - I messed up about the diffraction gratings, I didn't figure it out the first time, in fact, there are not gratings, but thin layers deposited in a vacuum, and such as they give interference, cut off excess.
                    To understand this, it is enough to look at the equipment used: https://oltech.ru/technology/napylenie-opticheskikh-pokrytiy-v-vakuume-metodom-pvd/
                    Aspira 150 vacuum unit for applying highly stable precision coatings for laser and special applications (Precision interference filters).


                    Now let's see what exactly is used for layers: http://eltm.ru/materialy-dlya-napyleniya.html
                    Vacuum thin film materials and targets are available in a wide variety of compositions with varying purity levels: metals, composites, ceramics, oxides, borides, carbides, nitrides, fluorides, selenides, silicides, sulfides, tellurides, high purity rare earths, and other alloys. up to 99,9999%.

                    Please note that there are more and more refractory materials that simply cannot be spoiled by heating, or even melt, only if you boil-evaporate the layer, thereby distorting the thickness of the layer and disrupting the diffraction interaction.
                    So we are no longer afraid of laser pointers, and even a dozen kilowatts will not be able to cope suddenly, depending on the sprayed material and heat sink.
                    In this regard, I had an idea, what actually prevents us from dusting the filter on the wind deflector-glass of the seeker, and thus organizing a powerful blowing by the incoming air stream? Nothing bothers you! belay

                    Quote: Vladimir_2U
                    PG401 This model has a tuning range of wavelengths from 420 nm to 2300 nm

                    The devil is in the little things. On your own link, please note:
                    Up to 1 mJ in the visible spectrum
                    Once again - 1mJ, not 1MJ. Do you feel where the dog is buried? This device, in practice, will never have a lot of power!
                    To begin with, I will delve deeper, as I understand, into the principle of operation - there is a broadband light emitter, it passes through a filter (anisotropic crystal + differential grating), and by mechanically rotating the filter (step electric motor), the bandwidth is adjusted. This radiation is then used for pumping.
                    Now let's see why high powers are impossible in practice:
                    1) Almost all the power of the pump diode is blocked by the filter! For strictly one wave is passed (very narrow range) in order to obtain coherent radiation.
                    2) The gigantic dimensions of the pumping device! Instead of the usual micrometer diode built into the laser diode itself, we use a separate, tens if not hundreds of times larger broadband diode (subject to the same pumping power), plus a filter, plus an electric motor, a control unit pole. And this is all for one pumped diode (okay, let there be a multilayer element, as in combat lasers, although how to distribute a chiseled source over layers? Fence a lens system?). And in combat lasers, in order to obtain kilowatt power, assemblies of hundreds and thousands of such elements are used.
                    With this type of pumping, a ten kilowatt laser would be the size of a tank itself.
                    And hundreds of electric motors are worth it, this is definitely an unviable construction of a combat laser.
                    1. Vladimir_2U
                      Vladimir_2U April 25 2021 06: 50
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                      Quote: Passing by
                      in fact, there are not gratings, but thin layers deposited in a vacuum, and such as they give interference, cut off excess.
                      They also overheat and change their physical properties.

                      Quote: Passing by
                      Pay attention, there are more and more refractory materials that just cannot be spoiled by heating, and even melt,
                      The substrate materials, but not the filter, and again, these filters are not protective, and their temperature resistance is not designed for external influences. Another very rough analogy: the film does not need to be melted in order for its photo layer to radically change its properties.

                      Quote: Passing by
                      In this regard, I had an idea, what actually prevents us from dusting the filter on the wind deflector-glass of the seeker, and thus organizing a powerful blowing by the incoming air stream? Nothing bothers you!
                      Air cooling works up to a certain limit, then there is aerodynamic heating. Already at supersonic for sure.

                      Quote: Passing by
                      The devil is in the little things. Under your own link, please note: ...
                      ... Once again - 1mJ, not 1MJ. Do you feel where the dog is buried? This device, in practice, will never have a lot of power!
                      It is in the little things that millijoule in our case is the energy of a pulse with a duration of 10 picoseconds. Peak power is indicated exactly in megawatts (> 50 MW) ideal for nonlinear spectroscopy But this is not the point, in a dispute with you, I understood one thing!
                      Quote: Passing by
                      To begin with, I will delve deeper, as I understand, into the principle of operation - there is a broadband light emitter, it passes through a certain filter (anisotropic crystal + differential grating) ... ..... the pump diode is blocked by a filter! For strictly one wave is passed (very narrow range) in order to obtain coherent radiation.

                      A broadband combat (non-destructive) laser is an elementary thing (from the point of view of the world revolution)))! A pump source and several, several tens, hundreds of fiber lasers of different wavelengths.


                      Quote: Passing by
                      The gigantic dimensions of the pumping device! Instead of the usual micrometer diode built into the laser diode itself, we use a separate, tens if not hundreds of times larger broadband diode ... ... plus a filter, plus an electric motor, a control unit pole.
                      All these difficulties are needed for a research complex with the need for ultra-precise and absolutely repeatable parameters, it is obvious that for a crude imperial))) suppression device, it is enough to perform everything roughly and firmly. By the way, the dimensions of the precision (which is not necessary for a jammer) research laser OPU of the PGX series are 1x0,4x0,3 meters, in total.

                      Quote: Passing by
                      And in combat lasers, in order to obtain kilowatt power, assemblies of hundreds and thousands of such elements are used.
                      With this type of pumping, a ten kilowatt laser would be the size of a tank itself.
                      And hundreds of electric motors are worth it, this is definitely an unviable construction of a combat laser.
                      Hundreds of kilowatts in general, and I remind you that we are arguing about interference and blinding, but not about destruction, but if so, then a laser of such power would not give a damn about GOS filters, why the hell would he even have broadband and tunability in this case.
                      1. Passing
                        Passing April 26 2021 17: 52
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                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        their temperature resistance is not intended for external influences.

                        Here I will not argue with you, there are different materials, I do not know which ones are used for specific filters, but if this is as I indicated above:
                        metals, composites, ceramics, oxides, borides, carbides, nitrides, fluorides,
                        then up to the moment they are heated to the boiling point / evaporation (more than a thousand degrees) they will have absolutely nothing.

                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        A pump source and several, several tens, hundreds of fiber lasers of different wavelengths.

                        IMHO, you cannot use one pump source for hundreds of individual "diodes", as I understand it, a "diode" is a multilayer semiconductor crystal, it has an optical axis, where a coherent flux is supplied for pumping, which itself is also a crystal with its own optical axis so they must be aligned. Therefore, one pump source = one laser "diode".

                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Peak power is specified in megawatts (> 50 MW) ideal for nonlinear spectroscopy

                        Well, what megawatts for spectroscopy, there are 50 milliwatts, this is an obvious typo. Think for yourself, 50 megawatts is already something for shooting down ballistic missiles. laughing

                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        All these difficulties are needed for a research complex with the need for ultra-precise and absolutely repeatable parameters.

                        While we are discussing, I read it a bit, and so to pump a laser, you need coherent radiation to "start", if the pumping radiation is not coherent, then there will be no pumping. Those. all these difficulties, they are for allocating a narrow spectrum, i.e. of the same coherent radiation, so that they already pump the laser, without these rotating crystals and electric motors, the laser we are discussing is simply technically impossible.
                      2. Vladimir_2U
                        Vladimir_2U April 27 2021 04: 34
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                        Quote: Passing by
                        Well, what megawatts for spectroscopy, there are 50 milliwatts, this is an obvious typo. Think for yourself, 50 megawatts is already something for shooting down ballistic missiles
                        This is yes.
                        Quote: Passing by
                        then up to the moment they are heated to the boiling point / evaporation (more than a thousand degrees) they will have absolutely nothing.
                        There is such a thing, the filter layer is some kind of microns or so, and this layer will instantly heat up and overheat, and the heat sink will not save.

                        Quote: Passing by
                        to pump a laser, coherent radiation is needed to "trigger"; if the pump radiation is not coherent, then there will be no pumping.
                        No, the laser itself creates coherent radiation, but is pumped by any source.
                        The fiber laser consists of a pump module (usually broadband LEDs or laser diodes)

                        The flash lamp was the pump source

                        Such a laser (semiconductor) is pumped with a constant electric current

                        In general, the laser can be pumped by another laser, but is not required. )))


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                        IMHO, you cannot use one pump source for hundreds of individual "diodes", as I understand it, a "diode" is a multilayer semiconductor crystal, it has an optical axis where a coherent flow is fed
                        And I did not write about the "diode", I wrote about the fiber laser, but as already written above, a coherent flux is not at all necessary for pumping the laser.

                        To summarize, multispectral lasers exist, even if they are not applicable for military purposes (which I personally doubt), that is, fiber or the same LED, while sufficiently compact and powerful lasers, allowing you to create an assembly of several pieces, several dozen pieces of multi-wavelength lasers , either part of the ignoring GOS filters, or simply breaking through the GOS filters. Thanks for the dispute, I learned a lot during it.
        2. English tarantas
          English tarantas April 24 2021 19: 38
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          Well, first of all, the enemy will most likely find out what lasers we make and make a filter much cheaper than such a laser. Yes, and the problem is easily solved, the rocket flies in a straight line into the tank, two or three are released, they fly at a speed of 1000 m / s, inertial navigation is installed on the missiles, so that in case of loss of guidance, continue direct flight, even if the system on the tank has time to react, by itself the tank will not have time to move before the rocket flies in.
    3. English tarantas
      English tarantas April 24 2021 19: 32
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      And if the guidance is traditional by wire? If you put light filters and rocket speed under 1000m / s. What about radar guidance?
  2. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek April 22 2021 08: 26
    +2
    They have been gone for a long time .... Javelin has been in the ranks for a long time, Spikes of different stripes too ..... It's just a replacement for the massive army ATGM.
    1. V.I.P.
      V.I.P. April 22 2021 09: 51
      +2
      I wonder what they don't like Spike N-Los? Moreover, they shot them from Apache at 32 km. Take it and put it on both ground vehicles and Apache or A-10. And there is no need to wait.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek April 22 2021 12: 49
        -3
        Maybe for mass purposes, they want a cheaper complex. Which will optionally have a 3rd generation rocket. In fact, this is an analogue of the Cornet, with an assortment of missiles (warheads). And a smart sight with a tracking machine and a connection with neighboring ATGMs with target distribution ...
        1. English tarantas
          English tarantas April 24 2021 19: 48
          +3
          If you are talking about TOU, then this is rather a Cornet analogue of TOU. If about the 3rd generation, then the Cornet has nothing to do with it from the word at all, they took the tour as a base, increased the caliber, screwed on the cord, so the ATGM came out, at the level of the competition, only the characteristics are higher.
      2. English tarantas
        English tarantas April 24 2021 19: 46
        +1
        So nothing has been said yet, they are now only justifying the need to replace the TOU, then they will formulate a rearmament program and when the money will be allocated there will be a competition. Maybe the spike family will be accepted.
  3. 3danimal
    3danimal April 22 2021 18: 15
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    You might think that otherwise they will conquer us (only a few years left ..) lol
  4. Slipper 2
    Slipper 2 14 June 2021 15: 53
    -1
    Generation of the Internet on kg of TNT in gusno and under tanks, we will defeat everyone without harming the country
  • Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I April 22 2021 04: 54
    +2
    Yeah ...! What can you say here? TOW is "American Everything"! And in different versions! And anti-tank, and anti-bunker, and "anti-boat"! Striking armored targets, both in the forehead, sides ... and from the top! Recently, "radio-controlled" ones have been added to the "traditional" wire complexes! But does the "people" know that there were prototypes of these missiles with laser-beam guidance and "supersonic" !? Moreover, there was a project of hypersonic TOW! The rocket should be equipped with a quasi-liquid-propellant rocket engine on gel fuel, an armor-piercing retractable penetrator, for most of the trajectory have a transonic or supersonic speed; but at a distance of 700 m to the target, the engine afterburner turns on and the PT-rocket accelerates to "hypersonic"!
    1. riwas
      riwas April 22 2021 06: 11
      +3
      The Chinese have the Orel-18 anti-ship missiles, which are a combination of subsonic and supersonic weapons (subsonic cruising speed and supersonic in the last section). Ours also developed such an anti-ship missile system, but something else has not been heard about it.
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I April 22 2021 06: 43
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        Quote: riwas
        Ours also developed such an anti-ship missile system, but something else has not been heard about it.

        But this is one of two versions of the anti-ship "Caliber" offered for export ...! It has been finalized ... has the name 3M54E ...
        1. 3danimal
          3danimal April 22 2021 18: 16
          -1
          But I have not come across information about his tests anywhere.
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I April 22 2021 22: 15
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            What are the tests? belay When is this "Caliber" in service with the Russian Navy (option "for itself" ...), India, China? Perhaps, and more "someone"; since interest was shown, for example, by Algeria, Indonesia ...
            1. 3danimal
              3danimal April 26 2021 10: 08
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              Once again: where is the information at least about the export Zm54E with the second stage ??
              She was exhibited at the shows, but only the subsonic version 3m54E1 and Onyx / Bramos were purchased for the ships.
    2. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek April 22 2021 08: 28
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      Roughly speaking, they will remake the TOU based on modern electronics and optics. And data exchange.
      1. 3danimal
        3danimal April 22 2021 18: 18
        -1
        The author writes that this is precisely a new rocket, with a higher speed and range.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek April 22 2021 19: 31
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          Yes. They wrote that it will be faster. But the guidance will be different
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty April 22 2021 05: 48
    +5
    Cyril, Tou has long been hopelessly outdated, the Yankees use his deep modernization called Tou2. It's not just the number at the end of the name, there is a different ammunition nomenclature, there is even a supersonic shot in the assortment. The Yankees want to change it for a whole line of new ATGMs, so that they are available from a lightweight one, worn in a disassembled version by a couple of soldiers, to a heavy one, mounted on an armored chassis. So, this option should have shots with maximum armor-piercing ability.
  • novel66
    novel66 April 22 2021 11: 12
    -3
    Whether a portable version of the infantry complex will be created is unclear

    easily, chtoli little blacks?
    1. 3danimal
      3danimal April 22 2021 18: 20
      +2
      There are really few blacks in their army - 15%. And in tanks, the loaders are often white (strong Texan smile) or Latinos.
  • Dmitry Izmalkov
    Dmitry Izmalkov April 22 2021 15: 56
    +2
    Why, if there is Spike? Taking into account the close military cooperation between Israel and the United States, they will be given 100% of the documentation, the product has been worked out, the Americans themselves have already purchased Spikes (NLOS), why?
  • 100 2
    100 2 April 22 2021 21: 36
    0
    TOU well, very cumbersome .... it's easier to put "Rapier" ... IMHO
  • Barberry25
    Barberry25 April 23 2021 21: 43
    -2
    I don't know how the Americans are, but ours need to put an optical head and a coil on the Metis for 10 km ... and then do the same with a rocket from the Cornet
  • English tarantas
    English tarantas April 24 2021 19: 23
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    And, I understand, they want to buy a spike. There is nothing better yet, and everything that is foreseen in this area will be just a copy of the spike. The Jews did not waste time and made a good complex for all niches, from heavy towed systems to manual ones, there is a reserve for modernization, the Jews will definitely sell the license to the Americans. You don't need to think anything, another step towards preparing a war with a + -equal enemy, before there was enough TOU to knock out any garbage by themselves and supported by the Basmachi, and a serious one was mowed by aviation and helicopters in the empty sky, now there will be a lot of good technology, and there are planes things to do. What is noteworthy is the Apache update too.
    1. psiho117
      psiho117 April 26 2021 12: 14
      -1
      Quote: English tarantass
      And, I get it, they want to buy a spike

      Not. It is clearly stated that it is necessary to increase the flight speed in comparison with current products.
      The spike is too slow, which, against the background of the development of KAZ systems, lasers, and anti-drone air defense, puts an end to the use of such braked systems in the long run.
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  • CastroRuiz
    CastroRuiz April 25 2021 11: 02
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    Requirements fit Spica UFO.
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