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F-36 Kingsnake fighter concept: what could be a replacement for the F-16 and F-35

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A few weeks ago, US Air Force Chief of Staff, General Churles K. Brown, spoke about the problems with the F-35 fighter and announced the possible creation of a new aircraft with different characteristics and features. In the wake of these statements, “alternative aviation magazine "Hush-Kit offers its own concept of a promising fighter. The vehicle bears the working designation F-36 Kingsnake and has a number of interesting features.


According to experts ...


The new concept was created with the participation of experienced specialists from the British aviation industry. One of the authors of the project was Stephen McParlin, an aerodynamic specialist with 22 years of experience, who worked for RAE / DRA / DERA / QinetiQ. He was assisted by designer James Smith, who participated in the creation of many projects, including the Eurofighter Typhoon. The image of the plane was prepared by artist Andy Godfrey from Teasel Studio.

The purpose of the F-36 project was to determine the appearance of a promising fighter of the "4+" or "5-" generation, capable of conducting short-range and long-range missile combat. The aircraft must have a supersonic flight speed and a significant combat radius. Much attention is paid to economic and technological aspects? because of which it is proposed to create a new fighter.

The development of tactical aviation is disclosed by comparison with cars. The F-22 is identified with the Bugatti Chiron, and the F-35 with Ferrari. The promising F-36 should be analogous to the Nissan 300ZX, i.e. combine fairly high performance and lower cost.

It is noted that in the future, as the service continues and in the course of further development, the hypothetical F-36 can "overgrow" with various new elements, become heavier and turn into a "bomber truck". However, the authors of the concept propose not to pay attention to such prospects and consider the aircraft in its original form.

Savings and acceleration


To speed up the development and reduce the cost of the program, a ten-point plan is proposed, affecting organizational and technical issues. So, it is proposed to choose for implementation a project that is not the most difficult and promising, but convenient for implementation. Terms of work can be shortened by eliminating full-fledged competition between developers - a contractor must be selected at an early stage. This approach would also remove the policy element and related disputes.

It is proposed to introduce the position of "King of the Luddites". This specialist must monitor the technological and organizational part of the project, and block the implementation of unreasonably bold and unworked solutions. This requires a strong-willed and unpleasant, but competent person. Finished technologies and components, if possible, should be simplified constructively or technologically. The production line should have the minimum required composition, and it should also be possible to quickly expand it, for example, to fulfill export orders.


The airframe of the aircraft should be simple and have modernization potential. Stealth is no longer a priority. The design should use 3D printing and other promising, but mastered technologies. The aircraft must have a reserve of internal volumes and generated energy for further modernization. It is necessary to simplify radio-electronic equipment by reducing computing systems. The data must be transmitted to the ground complex, which will be able to process them and transmit ready-made information to the fighter for combat work.

The Hush-Kit does not exclude the need to build and test prototypes. In this case, the main purpose of testing should be to determine the reliability of machines. Other aircraft, available in large numbers, can also be used as flying laboratories for testing electronics or weapons.

Technical appearance


The F-36 is offered as a tailless single-engine aircraft with a complex wing and a pair of slightly collapsed keels. Outwardly, it should resemble a 4th generation machine, which is due to the abandonment of the stealth priority. At the same time, sufficient internal volumes are provided for fuel and internal cargo compartments. The possibility of installing missiles and bombs under the wing remains.

The nose of the fuselage, including the cockpit and lower air intake, resembles the unit of the F-16 fighter. The F-16XL project also proposes to borrow some of the developments in the wing design. The F-36's planes should have a large surface area at moderate aspect ratio, and a kinked leading edge is proposed to improve performance in all intended modes.

One General Electric F110-GE-129 engine, taken from the F-15EX fighter, is proposed as a power plant. It is also possible to use the product F119 from the F-22 aircraft, but this requires resuming its production. The use of F119 engines will provide high flight performance and thrust vector control. In addition, the resumption of their production will simplify the further operation of the combatant F-22.

The basis of the sighting and navigation complex should be radar with AFAR type AN / APG-83 SABR, already used in the latest modifications of the F-16. A built-in optoelectronic station is not provided, but compatibility with sighting and observation suspended containers should be ensured. It is proposed to simplify the computing complex by transferring part of its tasks to ground control systems.

The cockpit equipment should combine the developments of the projects of different generations. It makes sense to use separate components from the F-35 and other machines. It is proposed to use a "glass cockpit" and a helmet-mounted target designation system. At the same time, it is necessary to get rid of the shortcomings identified during the operation of serial equipment.


Despite advances in missile armaments, the F-36 should retain a built-in cannon. It is assumed that any aircraft replacing the F-16 will have to work on ground targets - in which case it needs its own artillery. In addition, not all potential customers are supportive of fighter-bombers without built-in weapons.

Missile and bomb weapons can be transported both in internal cargo compartments along the sides of the fuselage and under the wing. It is assumed that the F-36 will be able to use all existing American-made samples. In addition, the hypothetical aircraft of the future will have to use promising weapons of the next generations.

Perspective without perspective


The concept of the F-36 Kingsnake fighter-bomber was created on its own initiative by a small online publication with the participation of specialists from the aviation industry. In fact, he is a fantasy on the topic and therefore has no real prospects. The actual aircraft to replace the F-16 and the F-35 add-on will be developed by other organizations based on customer requirements and based on their own experience.

However, despite its specific nature, the concept project from Hush-Kit is of certain interest. It offers an interesting way of solving an urgent problem using available tools and technologies, as well as using promising new approaches. Thus, the "project" F-36 not only solves technical problems, but also allows you to get rid of organizational and financial difficulties. This is especially important in the context of the complexity and high cost of modern aircraft.

Meanwhile, in the United States, preliminary research work on the topic of a promising aircraft, previously announced by General Brown, could begin. The Air Force Chief of Staff revealed some wishes for this project, which will be taken into account in the formation of technical specifications and in subsequent design. At the same time, the timing of the work remains unknown - as well as their result.

Most likely, the F-36 concept from Hush-Kit will not be the only attempt to predict the appearance of a promising fighter. The voiced requirements for such an aircraft are left large simply for assessments, forecasts, and even fantasies. Which of the proposed versions will most closely match the real project - time will tell.
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  1. Revival
    Revival 22 March 2021 04: 38
    +10
    It looks like such a stuffing that pushes opponents to the idea, "they say they are going to simplify and reduce the cost, so why should we strain ourselves with the breakthrough development of our aviation, it is expensive, difficult, there is no threat from them, they are also throwing this case over there ..." ...
    1. Doccor18
      Doccor18 22 March 2021 05: 05
      +5
      Quote: Revival
      It looks like such a stuffing ...

      They are.
    2. Pessimist22
      Pessimist22 22 March 2021 05: 20
      +3
      Let them write at least something, the main thing is that the F35 should be produced for themselves and the allies, otherwise the aircraft fleet becomes obsolete, it is necessary to update.
      1. figwam
        figwam 22 March 2021 08: 38
        -2
        Quote: Pessimist22
        Let them write at least something, the main thing is that the F35 should be produced for themselves and allies

        F-22 and F-35 are very expensive, but as it turns out they do not give advantages.
        1. sleeve
          sleeve 22 March 2021 13: 30
          +3
          So let them produce ... and sell.
        2. ironic
          ironic 22 March 2021 19: 03
          -1
          It doesn't turn out, but it gives and how.
    3. Alien From
      Alien From 22 March 2021 06: 14
      +2
      And in general, Russians give up)))
      1. Profiler
        Profiler 22 March 2021 06: 29
        +1
        To speed up the development and reduce the cost of the program, a ten-point plan is proposed, affecting organizational and technical issues.

        It is proposed to introduce the position of "King of the Luddites".


        As it should be - with the courtyard and servants?

        Economy yes laughing good

    4. dzvero
      dzvero 22 March 2021 09: 59
      +1
      Stuffing for the Chinese. They say, in two years they will build "based on", and then we'll see whether it's worth doing or vice versa ... smile
    5. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 22 March 2021 10: 01
      +9
      They just redrawn the F-16XL. That they offer zero sense. The F-16XL makes some sense. Relatively minor alterations give significant improvements.

      These changes resulted in a 25% improvement in maximum lift-to-drag ratio in supersonic flight and 11% in subsonic flight, and the aircraft reportedly handled much smoother at high speeds and low altitudes. The increased volumes increased the fuel supply by 82%. The F-16XL could carry twice as much ammunition as the F-16 and deliver it 40% farther. The enlarged wing allowed a total of 27 hard points.


      1. ironic
        ironic 22 March 2021 19: 04
        -1
        Again, it is suggested to discuss this apparent impasse.
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 24 March 2021 15: 40
          -1
          - The glider is more accurate than the capabilities of the F-16XL
          - Maximum use of serial units and avionics (F-16V / 15EX)
          - The latest developments in electronic warfare and energy weapons
          - Initially, the possibility of unmanned flight
          In this version, I see the meaning. The cheapest, lowest operating cost, manned for low-hazard areas and unmanned for high-risk areas.

          1. ironic
            ironic 25 March 2021 21: 40
            0
            Those. you see a retreat to the current European policy of the military aviation industry. It is safer in some way for Europe, but a dead end for America.
            1. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik 25 March 2021 22: 12
              -1
              Approaches can be different, more information is needed to select a specific one. Based on what is known, the following structure of the Air Force can be assumed
              NGAD - Conquering Air Superiority
              F-35 - shock and reconnaissance missions, UAV control centers
              F-15EX - fighter-bomber
              F-16 Super Viper - also information security, for zones without air defense and unmanned for zones with possible threats.

              A-10 and F-22 for scrap. Absolutely new information security is definitely pointless to do.
              NGAD and F-35 destroys air defense and air force; F-15EX help in this by serving as a carrier of a large number of missiles, bombs, UAVs, hypersonic weapons; F-16SV destroy ground troops, as well as routine service, missions in zones without air defense, display of the flag.
              Splitting into main / advanced aviation and cheaper auxiliary.

              As far as I understand, they want to do something like that. As if it makes sense. But there is a UAV factor here, but we do not know what the real situation with them is and what the degree of their readiness to replace manned aircraft is.
              Therefore, I am considering a hybrid option, when the possibility of an unmanned flight is initially laid in the F-16SV. Moreover, they have it ready in the form of QF-16. The result will be a heavy UAV, medium and light for it, and the line is ready.
              1. ironic
                ironic 25 March 2021 22: 54
                -1
                Nobody will send the F-22 to the scrap while they ve take off their entire resource. The F-15X is actually a multipurpose aircraft, not just an information security aircraft. And it appeared precisely because of a miscalculation with the suspension of the production of the F-22 without any alternative. Its task is to replace for a while both the F-15C and the F-15E, which are out of service and for spare parts, and then for 2 hundred of these aircraft (which is a small batch for the United States), a new aircraft should arrive at least 5- th generation. F-35A Actually, the replacement of the F-16 and Harierov certainly has a number of shortcomings, as a project, but one more temporary replacement with a step back, this is already a clinic. An IB and an attack aircraft UAV are not the same conceptually and it is impossible to create a good attack aircraft UAV by simply throwing it out of the cockpit. I think you understand why. Viper is sold very poorly and mainly abroad. Even in half the number of it, it was not called the series that is planned for the F-15X, and for the type of production processes of the States this is unacceptable, in addition, neither he nor his Air Force modernization is needed. This is stated directly and vise. This means that we need to start building a long-term series of new aircraft, which will not be a Viper, but an F-15X from the point of view of the project infrastructure, in the sense that it will not be a continuation of the existing ones, even if it takes the basics from the developments of the F-16XL hull. So this is the release of a large series, which cannot be turned in the ass, how not to turn back a large series of F-35s. Those. this is a step back for a long time, and this is a dead end. Europeans who are in no hurry to make a step into the 5th generation, it is now convenient. For the Americans who conduct their aviation industry with a massive backlog of exports, and not for rogues, this is precisely a dead end in development, because it will draw on a lot of R&D and funding, instead of developing the same UAV attack aircraft and UAV fighter, for the beginning of the frontline, which is a step forward in 6- e generation.
                1. OgnennyiKotik
                  OgnennyiKotik 25 March 2021 23: 02
                  -1
                  I tried to explain the logic. And so yes.
                  NGAD and F-35 are the foundation of the manned aviation of the future.
                  F-15/16/18/22 - maintain a resource and upgrade, with the possible release of small series of new ones, until the required number of aircraft of 5/6 generations is released
                  To release a line of various UAVs, modern technologies allow them to be created extremely quickly and to specialize for tasks.
                  1. ironic
                    ironic 25 March 2021 23: 19
                    +1
                    Here is the release of small series, this is not for the Americans. They have it purely at a loss. Their production is not set up to rebuild the lines. Only to dismantle the line and create a new one for a large series. If not, it is to the detriment. Projects such as the F-22, Sea-Wolf and Sumvolt, rolled into a small series, undoubtedly caused material damage to the Americans. But at least they developed them technologically, and the line to the last generation will really throw them back for a long time.
                    1. OgnennyiKotik
                      OgnennyiKotik 25 March 2021 23: 22
                      -1
                      So the F-15/16/18 lines are ready and working, there are orders for these aircraft. Money in the morning, planes in the evening, money in the evening, planes in the morning.
                      1. ironic
                        ironic 30 March 2021 11: 47
                        0
                        15 is temporarily yes, 18 is yes, and 16 is no longer.
  2. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 22 March 2021 05: 14
    -3
    Wow, the king of the Luddites ... it came to the Anglo-Saxons that unnecessary bells and whistles in military equipment harm her.
  3. YOUR
    YOUR 22 March 2021 05: 57
    +3
    Talk about this plane has been going on for a long time, at least two years. But further conversations have not yet gone.
    The plane is called generation 5- (five minus)
    And for those who are guided by the title of the article
    The concept of the F-36 Kingsnake fighter-bomber was created on its own initiative by a small online publication with the participation of specialists from the aviation industry. In fact, he is a fantasy on the topic and therefore has no real prospects.

    Someone's thoughts on the topic ...
    1. Profiler
      Profiler 22 March 2021 06: 41
      +1
      Quote: YOUR
      The plane is called generation 5- (five minus)

      The Americans believe that the F-16 (as an example), as a platform, has completely exhausted its modernization potential, and it cannot become 5 - (five minus)?

      Actually, speaking of generations, the conceptual interpretation of which is largely different for different countries, we can say that to some extent our 4 ++ based on the Su-27 is 5- (five minus) ...
      1. YOUR
        YOUR 22 March 2021 06: 48
        +1
        Talk about the F-36 Kingsnake
        1. Profiler
          Profiler 22 March 2021 06: 57
          +2
          Quote: YOUR
          Talk about the F-36 Kingsnake

          ... which, in the long term, in terms of the cost of the program, which is likely to be a failure, will surpass that for the F-35 and F-22 ...
          Don't assume that with a printing press, the US doesn't care about such things as profitability.
          I mean the opportunity to get +/- in terms of value of an aircraft that is as close as possible in characteristics to the fifth generation on the basis of deep modernization of the existing ones, which seems to be both faster and less expensive.
          But ... the "rich" (the US has a lot of problems in finances), as you know, have their own quirks fool
          1. YOUR
            YOUR 22 March 2021 11: 16
            0
            Quote: Profiler
            ..which is in perspective on the cost of the program

            Read the article
            But if this is difficult, then I will give an extract ...
            The concept of the F-36 Kingsnake fighter-bomber was created on its own initiative by a small online publication with the participation of specialists from the aviation industry. In fact, he is a fantasy on the topic and therefore has no real prospects. The actual aircraft to replace the F-16 and the F-35 add-on will be developed by other organizations based on customer requirements and based on their own experience.
            1. ironic
              ironic 22 March 2021 19: 05
              0
              You look at the F-16XL first.
  4. rocket757
    rocket757 22 March 2021 06: 15
    +3
    F-36 Kingsnake fighter concept: what could be a replacement for the F-16 and F-35

    Who seeks will always find!!!
    The previous one, however, did not really "fly" .... but oh well, the next one will definitely fly!
    1. ironic
      ironic 22 March 2021 19: 08
      -1
      The previous one flew as planned, if it were not for the money given more regularly, which was planned, but these explicit dead ends are an attempt by American liberals to put pressure on the budget through certain military personnel, which itself was well paid. Instead of applying direct systemic pressure, as Trump did.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 22 March 2021 20: 48
        0
        It is difficult to determine from the outside what they lacked.
        One thing is clear, the idea was revolutionary, but not everything necessary has been implemented until now.
        And since now this is a flaw, then there is nothing special to discuss.
        In such a state as it is now, it does not look like ice.
        There will be no continuation, it is not clear.
        1. ironic
          ironic 22 March 2021 21: 44
          -2
          Imperfections mainly in "B" and "C". "A" is actually combat-ready and has established itself well as a replacement for the F-16. Yes, it is more expensive in a flight hour, but it requires a more complex infrastructure, maintenance, but it can also be more and has incomparable prospects.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 22 March 2021 21: 52
            -1
            I'm not a flyer, so I consider the topic in general, as a whole.
            From what I read on the topic, the plane does not live up to the hopes that were previously indicated ... like this.
            Not ready, not completed and so on.
            From the point of view of someone who has been taught such goals ... to eliminate. The goal is completely disposable.
            1. ironic
              ironic 22 March 2021 22: 16
              -1
              On the contrary, I read that the aircraft is undoubtedly a big step forward compared to the models it was supposed to replace. There are pretensions in the main to the service system as it is organized by Lockheed, to the speed of order execution and software updates. There are also claims to the cost of a flight hour. I can name many military projects that have similar claims, but no one is going to refuse them. Lockheed was simply greedy, and American liberals are inadequate in the opposite direction. This explains most of the really serious graters, everything else is routine work, which is specially given meaning in the light of these very graters.
              See for yourself. Israel has absolutely equal opportunities to order F-15X or F-35A, but in a hurry first of all to stake out a queue for the F-35A, and in terms of F-15X hesitates. The F-16I (block 52) is not going to change at all for anything, until the flight resource is exhausted, and the obsolete previous blocks are simply removed from service and, if possible, sold or cannibalized for parts.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 22 March 2021 22: 43
                -1
                Again, in terms of ... eliminate.
                Israel needs the plane NOT to fight with an equal enemy, but for bandit raids on neighbors with weak air defense, which, moreover, cannot / do not want to aggravate and are not going to solve the matter radically, crash the carriers and infrastructure! A weak argument for experts, specialists.
                Then, I did not write that this aircraft has no advantages over the technology of previous generations, it is new, "stuffed" ... but no one has proved anything, has not shown ...
                1. ironic
                  ironic 22 March 2021 23: 21
                  0
                  Israel needs all types of weapons to repel possible aggression from more than one side and a superior enemy. This is the concept behind the IDF. Added to this are the tasks of low-intensity conflicts, which Israel has been solving for many years, but each time the means and type of conflicts change. Bandit raids are shooting at the Hermon resort from the territory of Syria, and the Syrians have the same air defense system that they sell to them. While Russian. Aggravated with Israel aggravated almost every decade until the 80s inclusive. And they tried to bang the infrastructure and throw it into the sea and finally just pour blood over it. The results are known. If anything, Israel is most likely to fight with the products of the military-industrial complex of the Russian Federation, so the conjuncture of our neighbors has developed. This technology of previous generations has nothing to oppose, at least to the F-35A. Nobody will prove it to anyone. Especially when the targets will not even know where they came from and how. And having collided over the front line, it will be difficult to twist the aerobatics, when the enemy will act at speeds at which you will not really twist them due to overloads, and if you use the afterburner, the fuel will go away much earlier than the F-35A in the range from 0.8-1.2M, where he feels great without afterburner and with angles of attack that allow attacking targets in almost all directions. In any case, the pilots of the Israeli F-16s cannot do anything with their own F-35s.
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 23 March 2021 06: 09
                    -1
                    You won't check, you won't know ...
                    And so, I EXACTLY! because I realized long ago and forever:
                    1. just right and just to blame for the conflict on the BV, NO!
                    2. high-quality weapons are power, but if there is a BARAN in the cockpit, there will be no business.
                    3. Each Kulik praises his swamp !!!, it's useless to argue.
                    You can add more, but this is usually enough.
                    1. ironic
                      ironic 24 March 2021 02: 38
                      -1
                      "Rightness" and "guilt" depends on the point of view. From where you look, you see. And there it is not here. And really legal or not legal it already depends on the law, and not on the opinion. And not on the BV, but on the visde.
                      He is a ram and a ram in Africa, this is obvious and not new.
                      It is so about the sandpiper, but the slogan shouting it did not bring any benefit to anyone, this is for sure. Not for nothing did all Europeans 4+ come out with super cruise opportunities.
  5. Ros 56
    Ros 56 22 March 2021 06: 50
    -2
    Let them design, but I never saw the basic concept of an airplane, either a fighter or a bomber. Or even throwing disinformation, especially in terms of one engine.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 22 March 2021 07: 20
      +3
      Just with this, the least of all riddles. Americans make fighters with 1 turbojet engine all the time.
  6. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 22 March 2021 07: 26
    +4
    It is possible for the Russian Federation to take a closer look at this experience ..... For the same MiG, make an airplane with "Izdeliye30" and modern avionics.
    1. d4rkmesa
      d4rkmesa 22 March 2021 09: 03
      -1
      It looks like this one doesn't even have weapons bays. The idea, in principle, is sound (a single-engine tailless machine weighing ~ 10 tons without complex stealth casing with a lot of manual operations in production and maintenance), only instead of an outdated engine, a new one is needed, preferably a variable cycle, for different flight profiles. And our people seem to be doing something. Only, this will already be the 5.5 / 6 generation.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 22 March 2021 09: 13
        +3
        It has a backlog of compartments ..... It is not necessary to do everything stealth .... expensive coverage, expensive maintenance, more expensive ammunition. A new turbojet engine-Idelie30 appears. It is for him that we need to do what will then replace everything that we have 4 ++ and +++.
  7. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 22 March 2021 08: 04
    +1
    military thought does not stand still ... this is just one of the possible views on what the army needs TODAY ...
    from the arguments against I will say:
    - the Americans have 4+ planes ... you can continue to upgrade the F-16 F-18
    - while this model comes to implementation and adoption, the world will go to the 6th generation ... it is futile to design yesterday
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 22 March 2021 09: 15
      +2
      This is the development of the F-16 theme ...
      1. bar
        bar 22 March 2021 17: 49
        0
        Quote: Zaurbek
        that is, the development of the F-16 theme ...

        Duc, it seems, the F-35 was developed specifically to replace the F-16, and a cheap replacement. But "it did not take off." Will there be an attempt # 2, and the penguin will be scrapped?
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 22 March 2021 17: 51
          -4
          There are only calculations of the feasibility of a new aircraft, and F-35s were produced in the amount of 620+ pieces and contracts until 2028. Do not confuse words and deeds.
          1. bar
            bar 22 March 2021 18: 23
            0
            Quote: OgnennyiKotik
            Do not confuse words and deeds.

            In the beginning there was a word (s). And as for the calculations, then in fact they can be mistaken. Striped is not the first time. At the beginning, they also considered something about the F-35, but as a result they miscalculated ...
  8. Angry Alt-Right
    Angry Alt-Right 22 March 2021 08: 34
    0
    Seeing this "miracle Yudo" from the side, starting to read the article, I thought that someone was notoriously smeared with Grippen or Eurofighter. It turned out not without it. But when I saw the image from above, a comparison came with the Boeing prototype. Well, the one that is the F-32. It is immediately evident that the designers spliced ​​everything and everyone.
  9. APASUS
    APASUS 22 March 2021 08: 36
    -5
    That's what I understand cut! First, they spent money on the F-22, then, under a plausible pretext, they extended the program and built the F-35, and now it may be a new F-36 aircraft.
    Yeah, Navalny never dreamed of this
  10. Free wind
    Free wind 22 March 2021 08: 50
    +6
    What are you discussing here? The artist-designer drew a picture and that's it, and you break spears here. Go to some cartoon studio, they will draw you both SU-59 and SU-157, whatever you like, laughing laughing even a hyperspace flyer. Or draw it yourself, they won't hit the forehead.
  11. Avior
    Avior 22 March 2021 10: 10
    +1
    Somewhere I saw it
  12. bk0010
    bk0010 22 March 2021 10: 43
    +2
    Are you blown away? Haven't pulled the F-35? The trick is that because of the radar and avionics, making a cheap and modern fighter will not work, abandoning stealth will not help here. And putting old ones is fraught: they will be shot down.
    1. Avior
      Avior 22 March 2021 11: 13
      +1
      In order not to be shot down, they continue to release the F-35.
      But when the air defense has already been suppressed, expensive aircraft are not needed for pinpoint strikes in the face of enemy opposition.
      Looking for simple and inexpensive
  13. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 22 March 2021 11: 19
    0
    Quote: figvam
    Quote: Pessimist22
    Let them write at least something, the main thing is that the F35 should be produced for themselves and allies

    F-22 and F-35 are very expensive, but as it turns out they do not give advantages.

    How does this not work, but the increasing inflation in the FSA? All is well - you go right dear partners.
    So go for yourself without doubting your chosenness. tongue
    1. Nestor Vlakhovski
      Nestor Vlakhovski 22 March 2021 15: 18
      0
      Quote: Vlad5307
      what about the increasing inflation in the FSA?

      Is it really increasing?

      If, as you say, the F-35 was created to destroy the American economy, then it clearly cannot cope.
  14. evgen1221
    evgen1221 22 March 2021 12: 43
    -1
    Mriya designer and demagogue no more. Well, for manufacturers of prefabricated models it will roll.
  15. TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 22 March 2021 13: 19
    -1
    Stuffing in order to cool the ardor of other countries in the development of ultra-modern, complex devices of the 5-6th generation. But to have a modern, not very expensive, massive, light fighter with F-16 functionality is quite a challenge.
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    1. Avior
      Avior 22 March 2021 17: 27
      0
      As I understand it, they are planning to do
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 22 March 2021 17: 59
        0
        If there is anything, it will be an upgrade of the F-16. Following the example of Hornet and Super Hornet. Take the design of the F-16XL, with avionics from the F-15EX and F-16V. Combat radius and carrying capacity are 2 times more, actual avionics, if you need a boosted supersonic sound, then put F135. They have been making XA100 / 101 engines for a long time, they wanted to use them on the F-15/16, although there was no news on them for a long time.
  17. bar
    bar 22 March 2021 17: 43
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    Evolution of the F-35 project. Instead of washing the old one, it is better to give birth to a new one ...
    Do they have confidence that the new one will do better? recourse
  18. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 22 March 2021 18: 36
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    Great news))) forward mattress covers, another 200 - 300 lard, Bobik under the tail)))
  19. martin-159
    martin-159 22 March 2021 19: 07
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    It seems that most commentators have only read the title.
  20. Oleg Aviator
    Oleg Aviator 22 March 2021 23: 30
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    As I understand it, f35 did not work. And if it turned out, it is not quite what was expected.
    1. Outsider
      Outsider April 1 2021 01: 13
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      - It turned out everything that was ordered and expected, but against the Papuans it is too expensive... They need a relatively cheap plane, 5-, but at the price of an F-16! laughing Until such a thing is danced - miracles do not happen ... recourse
  21. Bogatyrev
    Bogatyrev 23 March 2021 00: 56
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    Stealth is no longer a priority ???
    1. Outsider
      Outsider April 1 2021 01: 15
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      Is an. But the United States and its closest allies have stealthy aircraft. They need to be supplemented with equipment that is easier and cheaper to operate. And this is absolutely reasonable. It's just that old equipment 4 and 4+ has worn out and needs to be replaced.
      1. Bogatyrev
        Bogatyrev April 1 2021 22: 30
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        Okay. But why not replace them with stealth aircraft? That is the question. That is, stealth was overrated. It costs too much and too much has to be sacrificed for it.
  22. Pavel57
    Pavel57 23 March 2021 02: 27
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    The F-16 XL lost the competition to the F-15E.
    1. Outsider
      Outsider April 1 2021 01: 16
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      Quite natural.
  23. Shuttle
    Shuttle 23 March 2021 14: 49
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    If someone decides to make an aircraft according to this concept, then something like T-34 or Il-2 will turn out. But for capitalist countries, this is an unacceptable approach. A completely different production goal. That is why a fantasy devoid of the obligation to bring first of all a profit to the manufacturer is so similar to the approach of the best examples of Soviet weapons - technologically, expediently, not expensive.
  24. grumbler
    grumbler 23 March 2021 22: 08
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    Most likely, the replacement of the F-16 will be born as a result of the NGAD (Next Generation Air Dominance) program:
    https://nvo.ng.ru/nvoevents/2019-09-20/100_190920pentagon.html
    https://topwar.ru/162696-peresmotr-programmy-ngad-istrebitel-za-pjatiletku.html
    https://topwar.ru/175158-novye-tehnologii-i-pervyj-polet-uspehi-programmy-ngad.html
    https://topwar.ru/175553-dlja-chego-nuzhen-demonstrator-tehnologij-ngad.html
  25. 3danimal
    3danimal 27 March 2021 09: 14
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    Concerning the myth about the “extreme low maneuverability of the F-35:
    it turns out that he makes a Cobra, turns at a speed of 45 deg / s (135 in 3 s), against 36 deg / s in the Su-27, the turn with the help of the keel (pedals) also performs faster.

    https://youtu.be/MJLoW1ClNE0
  26. Baron pardus
    Baron pardus 30 March 2021 22: 07
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    Interesting. So ONE engine - note, not two. Americans do not bother "if one engine fails, you can fly on the other." Double crank wing. "New plane?" SHAS. where have I seen it all? Yes, at one time in the 80s in the journal "Foreign Military Review". F16HL. At one time, I even made a model for myself using a 3-dimensional image in "Foreign Military", so this plane struck my imagination.
    https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/images/308637main_EC97-44354-3_full.jpg
    So the US Air Force is returning to this concept. There is nothing new under the sun. But then F16HL taxied everything in the minus. And in terms of maneuverability and cost / efficiency criterion. Interestingly, the US Air Force is returning to this aircraft. And why then it was not allowed to be put into production.
  27. Outsider
    Outsider April 1 2021 00: 52
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    Quote: figvam
    Quote: Pessimist22
    Let them write at least something, the main thing is that the F35 should be produced for themselves and allies

    F-22 and F-35 are very expensive, but as it turns out they do not give advantages.

    - Yes, but in the Third World War. And she's still gone and gone ... request what
  28. Outsider
    Outsider April 1 2021 00: 58
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    - The simplest solution to the problem is the release of the F-35 without RPM coverage. The easiest and cheapest way. After all, all the nitpicking about the cost of operating the F-35 rests on the cost of a flight hour, and it is expensive due to the fact that periodic renewal of the RPM is a very expensive procedure.
    And here - everything is there, all technologies have been worked out, no R&D costs... The production F-35A already costs less than $ 80 million, while the F-15EX costs under $ 130 million!
    In addition, - all the spare parts, all the logistics for the "normal" F-35A will suit this "netels" too - which has a different EPR and without RPM will be less than that of the Su-57! laughing lol
  29. Outsider
    Outsider April 2 2021 00: 38
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    Quote: Bogatyrev
    Okay. But why not replace them with stealth aircraft? That is the question. That is, stealth was overrated. It costs too much and too much has to be sacrificed for it.

    - It is expensive and few can afford it. The use of stealth aircraft in a relatively peacetime against the Papuans who do not have a developed modern air defense system is unprofitable... Hence the urgent need for combat aircraft, whose operation is several times cheaper.