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The ballad about "Winchester": in the world war and on the hunt ...

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The author with the M1895 rifle. It is especially pleasant to write about what you happened to hold on to with your own hands. (Photo from the collection of the author)


“Evening! Evening! Evening!
Italy! Germany! Austria!"
And to the square, darkly outlined in black,
a stream of crimson blood spilled!
A coffee shop broke my face in blood
the beastly cry of the bagrim:
“Let us poison Rhine's games with the blood!
With thunders of nuclei on the marble of Rome! "
From the sky, torn by bayonets,
the tears of the stars sifted like flour in a sieve,
and the soles of compressed pity squealed:
"Oh, let me in, let me in, let me in!"
(War declared. 20 July 1914 Vladimir Mayakovsky)

Weapon and firms. And it so happened that John Moses Browning, while continuing to work for Winchester, was tasked with creating a rifle for a powerful rifle cartridge. Moreover, unlike the previous model M1894, the new rifle from the very beginning was created for more powerful cartridges - both hunting and army models, in order, on the one hand, to provide hunters with weapons for hunting the largest game, and on the other hand, to satisfy and military inquiries. Therefore, the new rifle had different modifications for cartridges of various calibers: 6-mm USN, .30 Army, .30-03, .30-06, .303 British, .35 Winchester, .38-72 Winchester, .40-72 Winchester and .405 Winchester. A rifle for the Russian rifle 7,62 × 54 mm R was also released, which eventually ended up in service with the Russian imperial army.

The ballad about "Winchester": in the world war and on the hunt ...
An amazing thing fate! All my childhood was spent with the M1895 hard drive, and now I again hold it in my hands, although not a hunting smooth-bore rifle, but an army rifle, but, in principle, this is not so important. My grandfather taught me to shoot with it, and in the winter we used it to shoot at the crows that teased our yard dog. Together they loaded copper cases for it and chopped off buckshot from a lead bar ... And this photo was taken in 1965 after watching the movie "Sons of the Big Dipper" in the completely "wild mountains" not far from Penza!

Moreover, it was the 1895 model that turned out to be the first rifle of the Winchester company, which had a Lee box magazine located directly under the receiver. Finally, it was decided to abandon the tubular underbarrel magazine, which has been equipped with all "Winchesters" since 1866. Such a store made it possible to safely use in the new rifle centerfire cartridges equipped with smokeless powder and with pointed bullets (which were risky to use in a tubular store because of the danger of the primers being pierced by bullets following each other cartridges). By the way, that is why "Winchesters" have been developed for so long just for rimfire cartridges. Even after switching to "central combat" cartridges, Winchester continued to use blunt-headed bullets in them, since they could under no circumstances pierce the primer located in the center of the bottom of the case.

The new model became the most powerful rifle developed by the Winchester company, moreover, it uses powerful cartridges filled with smokeless powder. However, it is worth noting that there is nothing particularly original in its design, since the M1895 retained all the basic design solutions used by Browning in the rifles of previous generations. The M1895 also proved to be the last rifle with a lever-operated reloading mechanism developed by J.M.Browning. He never made such rifles again.


Rifle patent 1890

By the way, it is interesting to follow the "flight of the design thought" of its creator, because the designer began working on a rifle with a median magazine back in 1890! Together with his brother, he patented an original lever-operated rifle with a middle magazine with ... a vertical arrangement of cartridges in it! Needless to say: the idea was very original. Cartridges in the amount of five pieces were inserted into the store from above with the shutter open and were positioned with bullets downward, while squeezing the feeder plate. When the lever returned to its place, the bolt pushed the upper cartridge into the chamber. However, such a store was not sufficiently sheltered from contamination (it was necessary to open and close a special door attached to the stock!), Complicated, and, apparently, therefore, they did not even make a trial sample of a rifle for it.


Exterior view of the 1892 rifle from the US patent


The device of the mechanism of the rifle in 1892 and the clip to it from the US patent

In 1892, a new "brotherly" patent was received for a rifle with a real middle magazine and loading with a clip. The lever moved the bolt back, and the feeder lifted the cartridges to the ramming line. Interestingly, the trigger spring on this rifle was ... twisted and was in the stock. And the firing pin in the bolt ... just freely "dangled" back and forth. Then he, apparently, realized that the bolt, which "hides" in the neck of the butt when reloading, is not a good idea, so this rifle did not see the light either.


Clip-on cartridges in the 1892 rifle magazine from a U.S. patent


Action rifle bolt 1892 from US patent

Then he came up with the design of the 1886 model - with a horizontal movement of the bolt and locking by means of a vertical wedge, also controlled by a lever. The locking proved to be very strong. All that remained was to connect this wedge-shaped breechblock to the vertical magazine, which was done on the 1895 model!


Diagram of the wedge locking device on the M1886 rifle


Diagram of the receiver "Winchester" M1895

Starting from about 5000 of the rifle, the initially smooth surface of the receiver received a ledge. This slightly reduced its overall weight, but the wall thickness increased by 1,59 mm. The last copies of the M1895, which had a smooth receiver, were issued with numbers between 5000 and 6000. Naturally, all M1895 samples with such a receiver are quite rare and therefore especially in price among collectors.


Diagram of the M1895 device from the US patent. Shutter closed


Diagram of the M1895 device from the US patent. The shutter is open

During the First World War, a shortage of rifles in the Russian imperial army forced the tsarist government to turn to the United States. And the Winchester company agreed to manufacture M1895 rifles for the Russian order and for the domestic cartridge 7,62 × 54 mm R. In the period from 1915 to 1917, about 300 thousand M1895 rifles were produced, which amounted to about 70% of all rifles produced in the USA this model.


M1895 receiver with seat ring (.30-40 Krag cartridges). (Photo by Alain Daubresse)


M1895 carbine with a saddle ring (cartridges .30-40 Krag). (Photo by Alain Daubresse)

Moreover, the "Russian" rifles were somewhat different from the American ones. First of all, because of the welted chuck, the shape of the store had to be slightly changed. Then, it was necessary to attach special guides to the receiver, necessary in order to insert standard clips of the Mosin rifle arr. 1891. Their great length also became a difference. Since the rifles made for Russia were with an elongated barrel with a dagger bayonet mount. Accordingly, the forend also became longer.


Rifle with clip and bayonet. (Photo from the collection of the author)


The aiming bar of the "Russian Winchester", like that of the M1891 rifle, was graduated in the same way, that is, in steps, with 1000 steps being equal to 710 meters

The Americans delivered the first batch of rifles later than the agreed date, since the modification of the M1895 to the standard of the Russian army turned out to be more difficult than expected (and for some reason, the "design" of the magazine rails caused particular difficulties).


Rifle "Russian model" in "full growth". Rifles are generally difficult to photograph. They are long but narrow! (Photo from the collection of the author)

In the book "American Rifle Orders for the Allies", which has a very good chapter on this rifle, the surprising fact is that Winchester took six months to develop these guides!


Here is this book!

However, Winchester also blamed Russian military inspectors for refusing, for example, to accept rifles tested for firing with Russian-made cartridges, not the United States. Rifles with wood chips on the butt were rejected (although this defect in the conditions of an acute shortage of weapons could well be considered insignificant), indicating the low quality of the wood of the stock and the butt. The Americans thought this was stupid nit-picking. And then all the rifles that the Russian inspectors rejected were sold to private individuals in their country. It is noted that there have been no complaints about the quality of the "hardware".


Sleeve on the feeder. (Photo from the collection of the author)


The cartridge case is in the chamber. (Photo from the collection of the author)

Delivered to Russia, the M1895 rifles entered service with the units of the imperial army in Finland and the Baltic states (with the largest number of them falling to the Latvian riflemen). After the civil war, the surviving rifles were transferred to warehouses, from where the Soviet Union then sold nine thousand M1895 to the Spanish republicans in 1936.


This rifle "opened" when reloading. (Photo from the collection of the author)


Marking. (Photo from the collection of the author)

As for the US Army, it was armed with only about 10 thousand M1895 chambered for .30 / 40 Krag cartridges during the Spanish-American War, and this war ended faster than the first batch of rifles entered the army. Then they were returned and 100 pieces were transferred for testing to the 33rd Volunteer Infantry Regiment. According to the results, it was found that the .30 / 40 Krag cartridge is very good for the army. There remained 9900 rifles, which were sold to a private company, and the latter resold them in 1906 to Cuba. But part of this party somehow then ended up in Mexico, where they were very popular among the Pancho Villa rebels.


Bayonet. (Photo from the collection of the author)


Bayonet handle. (Photo from the collection of the author)


Bayonet on the barrel of the rifle. It seems that the mount under the barrel is more convenient than the side one. But with the side bayonet it fits better between the ribs! (Photo from the collection of the author)

In 1896, the Winchester firm submitted the M1895 to a competition to identify the best rifle for arming the National Guard. But she managed to get only the second place, losing the championship to the M1895 Savage rifle (Savage). Then the company "Winchester" insisted on revising the results and announced the falsification of the results of the competition and data fraud. As a result of all these undercover games, the Savage rifle never made it to the guard, just as the M1895 rifle did not, however.


"Savage" M99. It became an excellent hunting weapon, with a completely unique design, which combined a lever-bracket and ... a rotary magazine. (Photo by Alain Daubresse)


And this is how he looked when he was reloading! (Photo by Alain Daubresse)

Hunting modifications of the M1895 are usually associated with the name of a US president like Theodore Roosevelt, who simply adored this weapon. He had two M1895 rifles (chambered for .405 Winchester) when he went on a safari to Africa in 1909. He also bought two of these rifles for his son Kermit: one .405 Winchester and the other chambered for the .30-03 Springfield rifle cartridge. Moreover, Roosevelt liked M1895 so much that in his book about African hunting, he called it "a talisman from lions." However, the Texas Rangers also approved of this rifle, considering it both powerful and comfortable. And this is not surprising. Rifles with a lever-operated bolt are convenient for riders, but inconvenient for infantrymen who have to shoot with them in a prone position.


Advertising of hunting "Winchesters"

In 1985, the Browning Arms Company decided to release the M1895 in a piece version chambered for .30-06 Springfield, and Winchester, accordingly, prepared its anniversary series in 2001, which was dedicated to the 100th anniversary of Theodore Roosevelt's presidency. The rifles were chambered for the following calibers: .405 Winchester, .30-06 Springfield and .30-40 Krag. Two more batches of rifles were made in 2009 in memory of Roosevelt's famous African safari in 1909. And it's funny that although all these rifles bear the Browning and Winchester brands, in fact, they were manufactured by the Japanese company Miroku Corp.


It is convenient to hold the M1895 in your hands. Convenient to aim. Convenient to shoot. Recharging is inconvenient at all! (Photo from the collection of the author)

To be continued ...
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  1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
    Kote Pan Kokhanka 9 March 2021 18: 06
    +20
    Krasava! Wait !!!
    Many thanks for the article and photos +++++++++
    Regards, Vlad!
    1. Alien From
      Alien From 9 March 2021 18: 16
      +14
      I join the Cat! The article is on fire as always! hi By the way, I see Olegovich for the first time in the photo) success to the author)))
    2. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 9 March 2021 18: 16
      +12
      It may be inconvenient to recharge, but it reads well!
      Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
      1. kalibr
        9 March 2021 19: 49
        +9
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        Recharging can be inconvenient

        As a child, I thought that all guns are like that. Then he began to learn English, read that it was a Winchester. I was very surprised. Then I saw a trigger hunting rifle ... It was so unusual ...
        1. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 9 March 2021 21: 28
          +7
          Then he began to learn English, read that it was a Winchester. I was very surprised. Then I saw a trigger hunting rifle ... It was so unusual ...

          That is, I repeat once again, someone has a time machine ... wink
          The first time someone lit up on a tapestry from Bayeux. Eustachy Moustached...

          Who wrote about the tapestry? And he wrote! request
          Then he lit up as Captain Allatriste. By the way, he survived under Rocroix! yes He later found a secret cavity near the wick arquebus in the museum? Found. That is, the early firearms know thoroughly ... what Coincidence? I do not think so! stop
          Pay attention, the same mustache!


          In the 60s of the 19th century, the character suddenly pops up in the USA. This is Colonel Caster. And now we remember who wrote about revolvers and hard drives? The one who held them in detail in his hands!

          This is also HE.
          In general, someone has a time machine ... And the killers will come for me, because I have revealed the secret ... laughing
          Vyacheslav Olegovich - do not be offended for the humor! drinks I bow for the article! good
      2. Richard
        Richard 10 March 2021 12: 12
        +2
        modern reenactors in the form of the Russian Imperial Army with Winchester M1895


        1. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 10 March 2021 22: 09
          +1
          modern reenactors in the form of the Russian Imperial Army with Winchester M1895

          This colorful guy made videos for Skomorokhov, EMNIP. A couple of years ago.
    3. Mister X
      Mister X 9 March 2021 19: 02
      +14
      A rifle for the Russian rifle 7,62 × 54 mm R was also released.
      The author: Vyacheslav Shpakovsky

      hi


      Rifle Winchester Model 1895 "Russian model"



      Soldiers of the Russian Imperial Army with Winchester M1895


      Apparently after the revolution

      1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka 9 March 2021 19: 37
        +7
        Thanks for the illustrations for the article!
        1. Mister X
          Mister X 9 March 2021 20: 33
          +5
          Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
          Thanks for the illustrations for the article!

          You are welcome!
          1. Pane Kohanku
            Pane Kohanku 9 March 2021 21: 32
            +5
            You are welcome!

            Gorgeous comments! I will support Vlad-Kota! I bow to you, thank you! drinks
            1. Richard
              Richard 10 March 2021 11: 57
              +2
              Winchesters МХNUMX basically arrived on armament of parts of the Russian army located in Finland and Baltic. A large number of rifles hit the Latvian arrows.

              Initially, the rifles were very popular with the soldiers, even despite the fact that because of Henry's brace it was inconvenient to reload them when resting on the ground, for example, lying or in a trench, and the fact that they were more sensitive to pollution. the onset of cold weather, It turned out that in the cold M1895 ceases to work normally - the mechanism freezes. Therefore, in 1916, they began to be removed from service and replaced by Arisaki.
              1. Richard
                Richard 10 March 2021 12: 00
                +3
                Very difficult for the "trench conditions" system.

                For comparison, the Mosin rifle arr. 1891
        2. Mister X
          Mister X 9 March 2021 22: 05
          +6
          Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
          Thanks for the illustrations for the article!

          It is much more difficult to disassemble Winchester than Mosinka.
          Tools are indispensable.
          Lots of small details.
  2. Van 16
    Van 16 9 March 2021 18: 52
    +7
    As always, very informative and interesting, thank you!
  3. Catfish
    Catfish 9 March 2021 19: 13
    +15
    The people have waited! smile
    Thank you, Vyacheslav, very good article and photos at the level, it was interesting to read, and I see drawings from patents for the first time.
    The rifle is really good, and I did not find it inconvenient to reload it, although it is one thing to reload five times in a row, and it is quite another to conduct rapid fire from it for a long time.
    I somehow found in the storeroom, among the different models of Winchester, one not drilled carbine. In general, it was not originally a carbine. and was a full-fledged M1895 rifle, but, as it turned out, after the end of the Civil War, a certain number of rifles from the warehouses had their barrels cut off and they were sold to hunters-traders as hunting carbines.
    I immediately called the guys at the Forensic Science Research Institute and made them happy, not everyone tried this particular rifle under our cartridge.
    While they were writing a request there and putting seals, he took a museum pack of cartridges from a three-ruler (still a royal issue) and went to the workshop to check the work of the mechanisms - the reloading and the trigger.
    Checked it out. The fourth TRAINING cartridge of the pre-revolutionary time worked. The barrel, of course, was directed into the doorframe and down. The bullet entered the oak jamb about five centimeters. The window was open and the whole crowd from the line at the Mausoleum was staring in my direction. He set fire to a newspaper in the sink, took out his own bullet from the box, shoved it into the cartridge case, stuffed all the cartridges into the clip, attached the inventory number, locked the door and went out into the street. Our militia post was just there, smoked with the guys and realized that no one understood anything, but the shot was still behind the locked doors, waved his hand and went to clean the rifle.
    Then the men came from the research institute, I told them a story about this joke, each considered it his duty to shove a screwdriver into a fool from a bullet. Then they took Winchester and went to them. Shot until complete opupeniya, though his barrel had already been thoroughly shot, it is clear that at one time they used it from the heart.
    That was the story.
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 9 March 2021 19: 36
      +10
      from the article by Vyacheslav Olegovich
      It is convenient to hold the M1895 in your hands. Convenient to aim. Convenient to shoot. Recharging is inconvenient at all!

      Quote: Sea Cat

      The rifle is really good, and I did not find it inconvenient to reload it, although it is one thing to reload five times in a row, and it is quite another to conduct rapid fire from it for a long time.

      I fully support the words of the Author and Constantine. At one time, I bought into the exclusive of this rifle and "played enough" with it from the heart, since there was such an opportunity. When reloading, you bring your hand out 90 degrees, then back. In comparison with Mauser, it is not much faster. Although Mosinka loses to both of them in this.
      In the trench, they had to dig a pit in the parapet. Lying down, you turn it to the right and lose the aiming line.
      In a hurry, you often do not reach the lever, which in principle is not possible with a sideboard.
      Well, by the way, the amplitude of the staple stroke is much greater than on the Marlin and Winchester hunter of old models.
      Well, somewhere like that! Oh, that would be Savage - poyuzat !!! crying
      1. Astra wild2
        Astra wild2 9 March 2021 20: 11
        +5
        Or at least read about him
        1. kalibr
          9 March 2021 20: 15
          +7
          There was an article about him, there was. And there is a valid link at the beginning of this article.
        2. Intruder
          Intruder 10 March 2021 02: 54
          +2
          Or at least read about him

          you about this:

          wink
        3. Intruder
          Intruder 10 March 2021 02: 58
          +2
          interesting video about their products ...:
          1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
            Kote Pan Kokhanka 10 March 2021 04: 30
            +1
            Thanks, but I'm talking about Henry's staple rifle.
            1. Intruder
              Intruder 10 March 2021 14: 00
              +1
              Thanks, but I'm talking about Henry's staple rifle
              is it for, Astra wild2 !? She asked above ...
        4. Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Kote Pan Kokhanka 10 March 2021 04: 38
          +1
          Quote: Astra wild2
          Or at least read about him

          Vyacheslav wrote about a rifle and a revolver! If I am not mistaken at the end of last year!
    2. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 9 March 2021 21: 33
      +2
      That was the story.

      A little higher, I developed a real story ... wink Look, Uncle Kostya! laughing
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 10 March 2021 11: 54
        +2
        I would not be flattered by the comparison with Caster. He stupidly ruined his people, and he leaned back ingloriously.
        1. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 10 March 2021 12: 09
          +1
          He stupidly ruined his people, and he leaned back ingloriously.

          I did not compare from this point of view. wink
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 10 March 2021 12: 11
            +1
            So this is the first thing that comes to mind when mentioning his name. request
            1. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 10 March 2021 12: 18
              0
              So this is the first thing that comes to mind when mentioning his name.

              Well, I don't even know ... Murat also ended badly, but he was a dashing cavalryman, and a pretentious personality!
  4. Alex013
    Alex013 9 March 2021 19: 14
    +9
    These are the articles that color VO. Thanks to Vyacheslav Olegovich. Very interesting.
  5. Undecim
    Undecim 9 March 2021 19: 25
    +12
    Starting from about 5000 of the rifle, the initially smooth surface of the receiver received a ledge. This slightly reduced its overall weight, but the wall thickness increased by 1,59 mm. The last copies of the M1895, which had a smooth receiver, were issued with numbers between 5000 and 6000. Naturally, all M1895 samples with such a receiver are quite rare and therefore especially in price among collectors.

    Below "smooth receiver, above - with a ledge." The design of the bracket has also changed.
    As for the wall thickness, it did not increase. Increased overall size - width (width).
  6. mr.ZinGer
    mr.ZinGer 9 March 2021 19: 25
    +8
    I can't find it, I read an annoyed American commentary about a Russian colonel in a Circassian coat, who checked hard drives, hitting them on the concrete floor, with a cartridge in the breech.
  7. Free wind
    Free wind 9 March 2021 19: 40
    +1
    Judging by the rear sight, the rifle is clearly crooked. Well, if the rifle is brought to normal combat. 200-250 meters is quite a normal aiming range. It seems to me that I will not really see much at such a distance.
  8. vladcub
    vladcub 9 March 2021 19: 42
    +6
    Generally ammo: -6,5, 30,03 or 30,06 close ammo. The difference in the weight of gunpowder
  9. vladcub
    vladcub 9 March 2021 19: 45
    +7
    I'm waiting for the continuation.
    Comrades, I made a bet with myself what will happen next?
    1. kalibr
      9 March 2021 19: 53
      +8
      It will be interesting if you guess right ?! Now the continuation article is already under moderation, which the administration can confirm. So deception on my part is excluded. Well, name what will happen?
      1. vladcub
        vladcub 9 March 2021 19: 59
        +7
        I do it purely in Jewish so as not to lose. I will not beat myself to shalabans
        1. kalibr
          9 March 2021 20: 03
          +6
          Well, I thought you would name it. I'm interested in myself!
      2. vladcub
        vladcub 9 March 2021 20: 52
        +4
        Good illustrations, an addition about the "Russian Winchester" and something else
        1. vladcub
          vladcub 9 March 2021 21: 10
          +3
          My second "I" triumphs in advance.
    2. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 9 March 2021 20: 32
      +5
      I accept the bet! I bet on the "trench broom".
      1. kalibr
        9 March 2021 20: 40
        +5
        Quote: 3x3zsave
        I accept the bet! I bet on the "trench broom".

        Betting is a serious thing. But there were several "trench metal". Do you mean a winchester pump? Is not it?
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 9 March 2021 20: 48
          +4
          That's right, M97, "Trench Gun".
          1. kalibr
            9 March 2021 20: 53
            +4
            Ha! You didn't guess! The article will be about the Colt Burgess rifle - Colt Burgess versus Winchester.
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 9 March 2021 20: 57
              +4
              You need to be able to lose! On the other hand: what's the point of playing if you don't bet on "zero"?
        2. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 9 March 2021 21: 37
          +3
          Betting is a serious thing. But there were several "trench metal". Do you mean a winchester pump? Is not it?

          Probably Anton is referring to some of Browning's pump action shotguns. A Russian officer (there is an article about him in Wikipedia), being an observer on the Western Front of WWI, wrote an analytical note on the use of shotguns in trench warfare. I forgot his last name, but you can find it and continue the cycle! It would be interesting, Vyacheslav Olegovich! good
  10. vladcub
    vladcub 9 March 2021 19: 54
    +9
    Yes, I completely forgot. O. Thank you for the epigraph: unfamiliar Mayakovsky. Basically, we know him by poetry like: "Left March", "Passport" or: "Conversation with the Sun", and he wrote both patriotic and lyric poems
    1. kalibr
      9 March 2021 19: 57
      +8
      Quote: vladcub
      patriotic and lyric poetry

      And very bawdy ...
      1. Astra wild2
        Astra wild2 9 March 2021 20: 19
        +7
        I always liked the early Mayakovsky: there is no futurism.
        By the way, I once heard that Alexey Tolstoy, when describing the poet Bessonov, meant Mayakovsky
        1. vladcub
          vladcub 9 March 2021 21: 08
          +4
          There is a version that Alexei Tolstoy in his youth was familiar with some circle of futurists depicted them in the "Telegin" circle.
          PS.
          Somewhere, even before the army, somewhere I heard that: Dasha Bulavina, Roshchin and Telegin had real prototypes, but I don't remember anything else
  11. Undecim
    Undecim 9 March 2021 19: 56
    +13
    Bayonet
    There were two versions of bayonets, a long one - 520 mm and a rarer short one - 325 mm.
    1. vladcub
      vladcub 9 March 2021 20: 01
      +6
      I was waiting for Viktor Nikolaevich to add something
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 9 March 2021 20: 29
        +8
        Quote: vladcub
        I was waiting for Viktor Nikolaevich to add something

        Well, I'll add. The British acted as an intermediary in the purchase of Winchesters, specifically - the Morgan trading house. The rifles had the KhiZ mark, acceptance, accepted by Colonel Khatautsiev,
        Quote: mr.ZinGer
        about a Russian colonel in a Circassian coat who checked hard drives by hitting them on the concrete floor with a cartridge in the breech.
        this one is probably also Captain Zaade. Bayonet knife Remington, also slightly altered under the English-Russian order, patent:
        The bayonets have the stamp of English acceptance.
        1. kalibr
          9 March 2021 20: 38
          +5
          Thank! Interesting ... I didn't know.
        2. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 9 March 2021 21: 38
          +5
          Bayonet knife Remington, also slightly altered under the English-Russian order

          looks like an arisaka bayonet. The Japanese are such entertainers - the love of melee weapons cannot be knocked out of them. drinks
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 9 March 2021 21: 48
            +5
            Quote: Pane Kohanku
            looks like an arisaka bayonet. The Japanese are such entertainers - the love of melee weapons cannot be knocked out of them.
            On SVT too.
            I didn't understand why the Americans had stuck this hanger on him. Should you remove the pot from the fire? In principle, it is convenient, but ours probably did not like this hook.
            1. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 9 March 2021 21: 57
              +6
              On SVT too.

              Ours was smaller, and without a pretentious guard. Although I will not tell you, nevertheless, the connoisseur of "finnish" is you! good drinks
              I didn't understand why the Americans had stuck this hanger on him.

              It seems that the French also sculpted something like that on bayonets from the WWII era? That's where - I don't remember ...
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 9 March 2021 22: 12
                +5
                Quote: Pane Kohanku
                Like, the French also sculpted something like that on things from the time of WWI? That's where - I don't remember ...
                So the Remington rifle was in service with many, this is her own bayonet. And the French, too, in my opinion was.
                Still, this is quite useful for field conditions. It can be very inconvenient to remove the same bowler hat. Yes, you can drive into the ground to the very hook, and tie a horse to it. laughing So as not to run away, you brute-footed brute.
    2. kalibr
      9 March 2021 20: 16
      +7
      With a long one it is scarier!
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 9 March 2021 20: 21
        +6
        It depends on what ... laughing
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 9 March 2021 20: 47
          +6
          Quote: Sea Cat
          It depends on what ...

          521 millimeters in length, this is too much for what you, Uncle Kostya, thought about ... laughing
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 9 March 2021 21: 08
            +7
            I'm talking about the barrel, what did you think? request
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 9 March 2021 21: 10
              +5
              Quote: Sea Cat
              I'm talking about the barrel, what did you think?

              And I mean the bayonet. recourse
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 9 March 2021 21: 10
                +6
                Began to be included. laughing
        2. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 9 March 2021 21: 40
          +7
          It depends on what ...

          With this, you stew! drinks But do you remember about the sapper bayonet for the Mauser? If any of the Germans were caught with him, he was not good at it! request gutted with the same bayonet, as in the Middle Ages - the owner of a flamberg! belay
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 10 March 2021 11: 41
            +1
            I remember, of course, we already remembered Remarque and the film based on his book on this occasion.
            With this, you stew!

            Everyone sees what he wants to see. laughing
            1. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 10 March 2021 11: 49
              +1
              Everyone sees what he wants to see.

              Really. laughing As in the joke:
              - You are under arrest, you have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can be used against you!
              - Naked woman ...
              - What??
              - Use a naked woman against me!
    3. Undecim
      Undecim 9 March 2021 21: 00
      +10
      Kinematics of the Winchester M 1895 bolt action
  12. 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 9 March 2021 20: 18
    +9

    And this photo was taken in 1965 after watching the movie "Sons of the Big Dipper" in the completely "wild mountains" not far from Penza!
    Now I can understand the mysterious squint of Clint Eastwood. He's just trying to hide an envious tear! crying laughing
    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
    1. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 9 March 2021 21: 41
      +6
      Now I can understand the mysterious squint of Clint Eastwood.

      Colonel Caster ... someone has a time machine ... lol
    2. Richard
      Richard 10 March 2021 14: 05
      +5
      And this selfie was taken in 1895 after a successful attack on a postcoach in the completely "wild mountains" not far from Rancho Palmito

      Joke of humor (s)wink drinks Thank you for the article
      1. Pane Kohanku
        Pane Kohanku 10 March 2021 22: 12
        +1
        And this selfie was taken in 1895 after a successful attack on a postcoach in the completely "wild mountains" not far from Rancho Palmito

        He then personally cut down all the cacti, and distilled them into Penza moonshine - black earth tequila. wink I give a tooth! (from those already torn out). repeat Undecim gave him the recipe! drinks
  13. 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 9 March 2021 20: 30
    +7
    (Photo from the collection of the author)
    Well this is how many ordeals on other people's resources you need to go through so that a person understands that visual information is also valuable! And two years ago I said: Vyacheslav Olegovich, sign the photos from your personal archive!
    1. kalibr
      9 March 2021 20: 42
      +7
      Quote: 3x3zsave
      sign photos from your personal archive!

      So I have very few photos ...
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 9 March 2021 20: 54
        +5
        Oh, don't be lame! If I now begin to list the articles in which you used your personal photos, I am afraid that I will significantly exceed the "barrier" of 8000 printed characters.
        1. kalibr
          9 March 2021 20: 55
          +7
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          If I start listing articles now

          Actually, yes. I just somehow never thought about it. By the way, an article about the Decembrists on moderation ...
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 9 March 2021 21: 04
            +5
            By the way, an article about the Decembrists on moderation ...
            Fine! Oh, I feel a lot of "blood" will be spilled. And I'll drink it !!! am laughing
  14. Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 9 March 2021 20: 31
    +6
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, colleagues. Good evening, I just looked: "Winchester 73" and I have several questions at once.
    1) how many cartridges did it fit?
    2) "one in a thousand" - what was their difference from the serial, perhaps in an exlusive performance?
    3) how much, on average, did the usual 73s cost?
    1. kalibr
      9 March 2021 20: 36
      +6
      12-17, decorated with engraving, about $ 24
      1. Astra wild2
        Astra wild2 9 March 2021 21: 22
        +1
        What is "12-17"?
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 9 March 2021 21: 57
          +4
          Quote: Astra wild2
          What is "12-17"?

          Dollars, I guess. A cow in those days cost about the same. Or a little cheaper. The price is one or two cows.
        2. kalibr
          10 March 2021 06: 57
          +2
          I answered in the order in which the questions were received. Your 1: how many rounds it contained. And my first answer: 12-17 - because there were different barrel lengths. Minimum 12, maximum 17.
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 9 March 2021 21: 02
      +5
      Quote: Astra wild2
      "Winchester 73" and I have several questions at once.
      1) how many cartridges did it fit?

      In the most common 15, it depends on the length of the rifle, the store is there under the barrel.
      Quote: Astra wild2
      how much, on average, did the usual 73s cost?

      A couple of monthly cowboy salaries in the days of gunfighters, that is, the second half of the 19th century. yes Three-line, for example, the Americans offered us to make at $ 29,50. Ours refused.
  15. hohol95
    hohol95 9 March 2021 20: 53
    +7
    Russian Winchester. Rifles Browning-Winchester M1895 / 1915
    NIKITA OVODKOV
    06.04.2020
    The first contract for the supply of 100000 pcs. rifles Winchester M1895 under the Russian cartridge was concluded on November 25, 1914. Then, in 1915, Russian specialists made changes to the design of the rifle. Under this contract, up to December 1915 inclusively, 100 rifles were sent to Russia.
    The second contract from the British banking house "Morgan & Co" was signed on August 27, 1915 for the supply of 200 rifles. By order of Morgan for 200 rifles, 000 pieces were sent by March 1917. Thus, it can be argued that by March 196 inclusively, 570 pieces were sent from the United States to the Russian Empire. rifles Browning-Winchester M1917 / 296.

    The question arises, what have the British bankers to do with it?
    Couldn't the Russian representatives conclude contracts in the USA themselves?
    One of the reasons for such an unprofitable cooperation through intermediaries in the person of Great Britain can be considered the exchange rate, since “... at present, American money is much more valuable to us than English money, and if such an order had been applied from the very beginning, then, for example, there would have been no orders for the cloth that is now being made for us from English wool, brought to America from England".
    ... First of all, Russia was required to obtain the sanction of the British government for all orders placed in America. Then the sanction was given "only upon consideration of all the conditions of the order to the representatives of the British Government."

    No sanction - no required weapons or materials !!!
    For the final acceptance of Browning-Winchester M1895 / 1915 rifles, a group of senior receivers was responsible, consisting of two people: Colonel Sergei Petrovich Khatuntsev and Captain Artemy Yakovlevich Zadde. Accepting each item of weaponry, the senior acceptance officers put their joint brand “KhiZ” on it (Khatuntsev and Zadda).
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 9 March 2021 21: 23
      +5
      It's a shame, but our state-owned arms troika in the form of the Tula, Sestroretsk, and Izhevsk factories, corny, did not cope, however, like Zlatoust.
      1. hohol95
        hohol95 13 March 2021 09: 14
        +1
        The market for civilian weapons in the Republic of Ingushetia was covered with short barrels and hunting rifles. Arms were not sold for export - they were only given out of the kindness of their soul! The factories were state-owned and, not having large orders, they reduced the working personnel and machine park to a minimum. But they could not urgently deploy to increase production according to mobilization plans (I don’t think that such existed, but everything could be) they could not! Private manufacturers of small arms were able to produce only rough barrels! They were not capable of more!
  16. Dimide
    Dimide 9 March 2021 20: 59
    +7
    In the photo from 1965, the author only lacks a poncho to "ride" for his Pancho Villa among the Mexicans (just kidding) laughing
    1. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 9 March 2021 22: 04
      +9
      the author only lacks a poncho to "ride" for his Pancho Villa among Mexicans (just kidding)

      He glued his armored car. But I didn't post the photo. In general, I must say that V.O. Shpakovsky - knows how to make models.
      And here's a Japanese "Zero" with an American "Kittyhawk" from me! drinks
      1. Malyuta
        Malyuta 9 March 2021 22: 38
        +12
        Quote: Pane Kohanku
        And here's a Japanese "Zero" with an American "Kittyhawk" from me!

        What's the beautiful!!! good drinks
        1. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 9 March 2021 22: 54
          +7
          What's the beautiful!!!

          Glad I liked it! drinks Twelve are glued on, only four are painted! request Long did not rush to paint - but heeded the advice of Uncle Kostya (Morskoy Kota), Sergei-Phil and Sergei Mikhailov (Mihaylov). drinks
          In "aircobra" it was necessary to put a piece of plasticine in the nose, or chewing gum - so as not to outweigh it on the tail. But the above-mentioned our colleagues told me this too late. laughing In general, I made a stand. Yes, and I applied the wrong paint - I had to "khaki", and I painted it dark green ... request This is how it happened:

          But Sergei Mikhailov (Mihaylov) painted it correctly! The same model, only ten years older!

          The emblems are the same - these are Pokryshkin's signs. yes In general, we are forming a club of amateur modelers on VO! good drinks
          1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
            Kote Pan Kokhanka 10 March 2021 04: 48
            +5
            Gorgeous Nikolay!
            1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
              Kote Pan Kokhanka 10 March 2021 05: 19
              +6
              A little bragging! Surprisingly saved with place and time.

              Esmeralda (schooner)

              Sarges (bark)
              A series of training ships.
              1. kalibr
                10 March 2021 07: 00
                +5
                Wow ... how long ago it was.
              2. Pane Kohanku
                Pane Kohanku 10 March 2021 09: 39
                +3
                A series of training ships.

                Vlad, this is just brilliance! good how much patience do you have? drinks and the quality is clearly better than my hands-on. yes
                1. Mihaylov
                  Mihaylov 10 March 2021 11: 28
                  +2
                  Quote: Pane Kohanku
                  how much patience do you have?

                  Good afternoon Nikolai, for me ships are also a transcendent topic, I have never tried it.
                  the quality is clearly better than my hand-ass

                  that you are straight, normal quality, everything is normal! hi
                  By the way, I also did "Zero":

                  I want to build a Mitsubishi bomber, but I still can't find a place for bombers.
                  And this link (TB-1) will take up so much space that it’s even scary to imagine, I think approximately 0,5x0.5m, it will not fit into any cabinet. drinks
                  1. Pane Kohanku
                    Pane Kohanku 10 March 2021 11: 38
                    +2
                    Good afternoon Nikolai, for me ships are also a transcendent topic, I have never tried it.

                    Hello, hello! drinks I haven't tried ships either. True, I haven't gotten to the tanks yet.
                    By the way, I also did "Zero":

                    The model is the same, the manufacturer is "Modelist". I liked the quality very much. good Did you apply the paint - khaki? I used dark green for the base color, the rest is just like yours. You have collected better, like. True, I also painted the antenna brown, but this is insignificant.
                    I want to build a Mitsubishi bomber, but I still can't find a place for bombers.

                    Later I will try to find some Japanese carrier-based bomber for sale. And then I have run out of "fascists" - only "storm" remained. request I found a German biplane attack aircraft Henschel-123 here, but it costs more than a thousand! sad
                    And this link (TB-1) will take up so much space that it’s even scary to imagine, I think approximately 0,5x0.5m, it will not fit into any cabinet.

                    That's for sure! laughing drinks
                    1. Mihaylov
                      Mihaylov 10 March 2021 11: 44
                      +1
                      Quote: Pane Kohanku
                      I found a German biplane attack aircraft Henschel-123 here, but it costs more than a thousand!

                      I still want to collect "Rama" (FW-189), I found it on the website that you sent: 1300 rubles, I will probably tame Jagdpanther and take care of "Rama"
                      And then I have run out of "fascists" - only "storm" remained.

                      Here's another of the "fascists" - so colorful:
                      1. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 10 March 2021 12: 11
                        +1
                        Here's another of the "fascists" - so colorful:

                        Information field! Just the other day I read about this work from the Horten brothers! Chic! good
                        I still want to collect "Rama" (FW-189), I found it on the website that you sent: 1300 rubles, I will probably tame Jagdpanther and take care of "Rama"

                        "Rama" is also big? And I'm thinking about looking at something from ICM. There they have models from the 30s.
                      2. Mihaylov
                        Mihaylov 10 March 2021 12: 17
                        +1
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        a piece from the Horten brothers!

                        model Revell
                        "Rama" is also big?

                        Yes, too, not small, but if you really want to - then you can! drinks
                      3. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 10 March 2021 12: 54
                        +1
                        model Revell

                        There is a 1 / 48th scale revival "Spitfire", but has not yet been taken. The quality seems to be very good. Only that the instruction is not in our language. smile
                        Yes, too, not small, but if you really want to - then you can!

                        Yes! drinks
                      4. Mihaylov
                        Mihaylov 10 March 2021 14: 00
                        +2
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        There is a 1 / 48th scale revival "Spitfire", but has not yet been taken. The quality seems to be very good.

                        I made a Spitfire, only 1/72 and it seems like a Revelian one, although I don't remember exactly. There are really no photos, I'll do it in the evening. hi
                      5. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 10 March 2021 15: 19
                        +1
                        I made a Spitfire, only 1/72 and it seems like a Revelian one, although I don't remember exactly. There are really no photos, I'll do it in the evening.

                        By the way, I see, "Zvezda" has a bunch of armored vehicles in 1/72 scale. But ... won't it be too small? what We are waiting for such photos! yes
                      6. Mihaylov
                        Mihaylov 10 March 2021 15: 25
                        +1
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        By the way, I see, "Zvezda" has a bunch of armored vehicles in 1/72 scale. But ... won't it be too small?

                        It seems a bit small to me, so I collect 1/35 armored vehicles - it seems to me optimal and everything is visible well and not very large, you can put it in a closet. hi
                        We are waiting for such photos!

                        In the evening I'll take a picture of a Spitfire, but for now - here's one of my early, still very clumsy ones:
                      7. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 10 March 2021 22: 06
                        +1
                        In the evening I'll take a picture of a Spitfire, but for now - from my early, still very clumsy

                        I would not say for "clumsy" ... what In my opinion, this is a gorgeous glued and painted model of the He-111. good I bow, Sergey! drinks
                      8. Mihaylov
                        Mihaylov 11 March 2021 09: 53
                        +1
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        In my opinion, this is a gorgeous glued and painted model of the He-111

                        In reality, it turned out so-so: I wanted to make a winter camouflage, since for Zvezda it is the Stalingrad version, painted it white, it turned out exclusively in an ugly way, applied green stripes - it became a little better. But then he guessed: he took the white paint, slightly "soiled" it with black or gray and diluted it strongly with water - so that it would shine through and applied on top. This improved the situation, at least somehow it became similar.
                        The same situation happened with the FW-190: I painted it white - it looked awful, then it slightly polluted the top with erosion, the effect of "dirty snow" turned out, it looked better:

                        And Spitfire did not so long ago, there is also a good quality Revellian model. hi
                      9. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 11 March 2021 11: 02
                        +1
                        But then I guessed: I took the white paint, slightly "soiled" it with black or gray and diluted it strongly with water - so that it would shine through and applied on top. This improved the situation, at least somehow it became similar.

                        I haven't mixed paints yet, but thanks a lot for the advice! I will know such things! Yes - it turned out very well! drinks
                2. Mihaylov
                  Mihaylov 10 March 2021 19: 41
                  +1
                  Quote: Pane Kohanku
                  We are waiting for such photos!

                  As promised - Revell's Spitfair:
                3. Pane Kohanku
                  Pane Kohanku 10 March 2021 22: 07
                  +2
                  As promised - Revell's Spitfair:

                  Painted exceptionally well! Shine! That is what it means - "stuffed hands." good
  • Kote Pan Kokhanka
    Kote Pan Kokhanka 10 March 2021 14: 59
    +2
    Quote: Pane Kohanku
    and the quality is clearly better than my handshake

    Nothing of the kind, a sea of ​​mistakes. In addition, they are not dyed, unlike yours with Sergei.
    1. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 10 March 2021 15: 17
      +2
      Nothing of the kind, a sea of ​​mistakes. In addition, they are not dyed, unlike yours with Sergei.

      Uncle Kostya, Sergei-Phil and Sergei persuaded me in chorus, before that I was afraid to paint. drinks Well, and our Vyacheslav Olegovich consulted a couple of times - it was a sin not to consult. In general, I am grateful to you all from the bottom of my heart! fellow
      Vlad, I think your models also have a lot of fine work - some sails and rigging are worth something! good drinks
  • Dimide
    Dimide 9 March 2021 22: 42
    +4
    Thank you! But I never got it, somehow I bought a set of IL-2, if I'm not mistaken. My claws are not sharpened for fine motor skills and perseverance was never enough laughing
    1. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 9 March 2021 22: 59
      +7
      And I didn’t get it, somehow I bought a set of IL-2, if I’m not mistaken.

      Models from "Zvezda" and "Modeler" are of sufficient quality. drinks Now I'm busy assembling Fieseler "storm". By the way, I recently found that it is possible to buy a TB-1 "link" - with two I-5s in addition. The price, of course, bites ... request
      https://i-modelist.ru/goods/model/aviacija/amodel/305/40631.html
      1. Dimide
        Dimide 9 March 2021 23: 17
        +3
        I always liked to "create" applied things, such as brass knuckles from lead battery, a self-propelled gun from a tractor oil line, an onion from reinforcement "rolled" by a heavy-loaded railway train, etc. laughing
    2. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 10 March 2021 05: 23
      +6
      Quote: Dimid
      Thank you! But I never got it, somehow I bought a set of IL-2, if I'm not mistaken. My claws are not sharpened for fine motor skills and perseverance was never enough laughing

      I've been glueing Amoego Wispuchi for two years now. Yes, and one brazen mustachioed muzzle helps. As in a Russian fairy tale, only the hero is not a mouse, but a cat. She wagged her tail and had to glue it again! The sails remained.
      1. Dimide
        Dimide 10 March 2021 15: 32
        0
        I envy the "white envy" of enthusiastic people!
        1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Kote Pan Kokhanka 10 March 2021 18: 57
          +2
          Demid shouldn't be jealous. This is even for a hobby, and relaxation is a change of activity for your own pleasure. You don't have to start with a complex one, you can start with a simple one, but it will be at the level of a collection model.
          Alas, in the city I can not post photos of my pieces of wood. Wooden constructors - the Lemmo series (Kirov), a series of lorries or a motorcycle (uranium) under which the famous Irbitsky Ural is hidden. Minimum glue, two to three hours of pleasure. Then an evening for painting with stain or paint and a collectible model on your desktop or on a shelf at home. Then I will definitely throw it off on the branch when I'm in the house. The price of the issue is from one thousand to one and a half thousand rubles. Once a season you can afford it.
          Regards, Vlad!
          1. Dimide
            Dimide 10 March 2021 19: 39
            +1
            Dear Vlad, at the moment, my hobby can only be reading books, cheering for your favorite team at the stadium, and sitting after a game with comrades over a glass of tea (already 35 years old with practically unchanged composition).
            That's why I'm talking about enthusiastic people.
  • Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 10 March 2021 07: 31
    +2
    Nikolay, how much patience is needed?
    1. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 10 March 2021 09: 45
      +2
      Nikolay, how much patience is needed?

      Vera, hello! Patience? If not painted, the fighter can be glued together in two evenings. If you paint - already three or four. No, it goes easily - there would be a desire. drinks
      1. Astra wild2
        Astra wild2 11 March 2021 12: 54
        +2
        It seems difficult to me. 10-11 years ago, I bought a boy jigsaw puzzles. And I wanted to try it myself. They did everything in the evening, but I suffered all day and ...
        1. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 11 March 2021 12: 57
          0
          They did everything in the evening, but I suffered all day and ...

          Last time I tried it in my deep childhood laughing I definitely won't have enough perseverance for this!
          1. Astra wild2
            Astra wild2 11 March 2021 17: 51
            +1
            Thank you Lord.: I'm not the only one
  • Hunter 2
    Hunter 2 10 March 2021 07: 14
    +3
    Class good I have been waiting for this article for a long time, Vyacheslav Olegovich - many thanks!
  • Alexfly
    Alexfly 10 March 2021 18: 53
    +1

    By the way, they still produce by "simplifying" the recharge system ... It seems like how it works