Ballad of Winchester: Marlin vs. Winchester

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Carbine "Marlin" М1893 chambered for .32 HPS (.32 special high energy)

“They built their own wall,
- answered the mandarin, -
in the shape of a pig! Do you understand?
The wall of our city is built like an orange.
Their pig will eagerly devour us!
- ABOUT. -
And both thought for a long time. "

("The Golden Serpent, the Silver Wind" by Ray Bradbury. Translator V. Serebryakov)

Weapon and firms. For some reason, it is believed that all rifles with a bolt controlled by a lever are "Winchesters". However, in reality, this is far from the case.

Moreover, the whole story this company, after 1876, there is a continuous struggle with a number of other companies that also produced the same rifles. In some ways they were better, in others they were worse, but they were. And one of the most successful and largest was the Marlin Firearms Co.



It would seem, what could Marlin do that Winchester could not?

But it turned out that there is no limit to improvement. And that even the "hard drive" design, excellent in its simplicity and reliability, can be improved even more.


This is how a window was opened on Marlin rifles for ejection of spent cartridges

However, before we talk about the actual rifles of the "Marlin" company, let's get acquainted with the history of this company. Without a doubt, less well-known than the history of the same "Winchester".

And it so happened that in 1870, J. M. Marlin created the company "Marlin Arms", whose enterprise was located in New Haven (Connecticut).


"Marlin" 1881 chambered for .45-70. Looks like Winchester, also throws casings up, and looks a little rough.

Already in 1881, "Marlin" presented its first lever action rifle, which was its answer to the growing demand for a reliable magazine rifle, which after the civil war only increased from year to year.


But this is the 336 Marlin M1948 chambered for the Winchester .30-30. An elegant weapon, isn't it?

In 1886, the company introduced its unique lever-actuated two-piece firing pin fuse, which is still used in its rifles today.

In fact, this mechanism has become the "grandfather" of each of all modern lever mechanisms "Marlin". As you can see, the firm has undertaken to compete with the famous Winchester in the most serious way. And she began to release her models at the same time as him.

Ballad of Winchester: Marlin vs. Winchester
Marking of the barrel of the model 1893, intended for firing cartridges with smokeless powder

And here it should be noted that "Marlin" was more sensitive, let's say, to market demands. And he felt better the new trends in the arms business, in comparison with the same "Winchester".

So, despite the collaboration with John Moses Browning, the design of the receiver in the most important way remained the same. But the spent cartridges were thrown up from it. The only difference was that on models 1873 and 1876, the holes for the sleeves were on the top of the receiver, and on Browning's 1886, 1892 and 1894 Winchesters. it was not there at all. The sleeve from the chamber was pulled out by the bolt and thrown up by the extractor.


Bolt box of the Marlin M336 rifle. Interestingly, the tide under the receiver for attaching the lever is very similar to a similar part on the receiver of early "hard drives". On later samples, J. Browning refused it.

And this was not very good, because it made it difficult to attach telescopic sights to the receiver, which just at that time began to gradually come into fashion, again from the experience of the civil war. In addition, the top-open breech is easier to clog.


"Marlin" М336. Right view. The shutter is open. It is clearly seen that the device of the control lever is simpler than that of Winchester rifles, including those created by J. Browning. The shutter is cylindrical. Locking is done with a wedge that fits into a rectangular groove located on the underside of the bolt stem, closer to the hammer shank. During locking, the parts of the striker are closed, so a shot is possible only if the bolt is locked. The locking wedge on the lever couldn't be easier.



View of the receiver on the left

And the specialists of the "Marlin" company thought about it. And it ended with the fact that in 1889 another "marlin" entered the market, which had a receiver with a solid top and a side hole for spent cartridges on the receiver on the right.

Thus, it became possible to mount an optical sight on top of the 1889 model. And besides, the rifle mechanism itself was reliably hidden from dirt.

The design was immediately patented and became a characteristic feature of all subsequent "marlins".

The first rifles of this type were chambered for .32 (7,7 mm) and .45 (11,43 mm) calibers, but then their range was significantly expanded.


"Marlin" М336. Left view. On the carbine, as you can see, there are swivels

1891 saw the great success of the 39 22LR. And this rifle itself became the most famous example of a firearm in the history of the United States, which would have been produced continuously.


"Marlin" М39 chambered for .22LR


Cartridge 22LR (5,6 × 15,6 mm R (with flange), LR - "long rifle")

In 1894, this rifle combined all of Marlin's previous innovations into one reliable platform, including a wedge-lock bolt, two-piece hammer safety, side discharge and the most durable and sleek receiver the industry has ever seen.

In 1895, the evolution of the 1894 model continued. To use more powerful cartridges, the receiver, barrel and magazine were increased, which, accordingly, also became larger in diameter.


Barrel and magazine М336

In 1948 the Model 336 rifle was introduced, featuring a round bolt (not rectangular like its predecessors) and an improved Micro-Groove (12 fine groove) barrel rifling combined with a very carefully crafted lever mechanism.


The trigger is very unusual on the M336. It has a side ledge that allows you to cock it with one finger with great convenience

In 1965 the Model 444 was introduced for hunting big game.


Interestingly, the company has consistently improved its models, adding one number to the name. First there was model 36, then 336. In the photo М36АС

In 2018, the Marlin company updated М1894, improving its production technology.

In 2019, "Marlin" launches its "black series" - black rifles for modern hunters, containing many non-standard technical solutions and aesthetic improvements that were not previously available on this weapon platform.


Coaxial machine-gun mount of two Marlin machine guns aboard De Haviland aircraft, Langley, Virginia, 1921

Earlier, in 2007, Marlin Firearms was bought by Remington Arms, part of the Remington Outdoor Company.

However, Remington went bankrupt and was bought by Ruger in 2020 - Sturm, Ruger & Co.

During World War I, Marlin became one of the largest machine gun manufacturers in the world for the United States and its allies. It was she who produced the Colt Browning M1895 machine gun and its later version, called the Marlin machine gun, optimized for use on aircraft.

During the Second World War, the Marlin company also produced 15000 UDM42 submachine guns (but it has already been described on VO).

In the 1980s and 1990s, Marlin finally began to outpace Winchester in terms of sales.

It was the flat top of the receiver, which makes scopes easier to mount compared to traditional hard drives, that helped the company capture a large share of the American market as American shooters began to rely more and more on optics.

At the same time, the Marlin rifles are larger, much stronger, although heavier than most similar models of the Winchester company. Thanks to this, they can use very powerful cartridges, such as, for example, .45-70.

However, rifles and carbines "Marlin" М1894 are also produced in pistol calibers, in particular, .357 Magnum, .44 Magnum and .41 Magnum, which allows them to be used in tandem with revolvers chambered for these cartridges.

In 2008, Marlin released its 30 millionth lever-action rifle, which was donated by the US National Rifle Association.

PS


Photos courtesy of Alain Daubresse.

To be continued ...
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  1. +12
    5 March 2021 18: 10
    Unexpected turn! Gorgeous !!!
    Regards, Vlad!
    1. +11
      5 March 2021 18: 18
      All Greetings hi Solidarity with Vlad! Excellent good continuation, we are waiting for the next article.
      1. +16
        5 March 2021 18: 43
        The next one, in theory, should be about the M1895. But it depends on the mood. You get tired of writing about the same thing ...
        1. +5
          5 March 2021 18: 50
          Vyacheslav Olegovich hi That's exactly about the M1895 chambered for our cartridge 7,62 / 54 - I think it will be interesting to everyone. Of particular interest is his path in service with the Russian Army in WWI and participation in the Civil War. Actually, he took part in the Second World War. I am personally interested in the "bayonets" to this Winchester, I know there were several varieties, but I had to see only one.
          1. +5
            5 March 2021 19: 35
            Quote: Hunter 2
            I am personally interested in the "bayonets" to this Winchester, I know there were several varieties, but I had to see only one.

            You know ... there is only one bayonet in the article. But there are already three photos on it. But only the one that was on it in my hands. About participation in the war, and even more so, the Civil - not enough - well, where can I get it, tell me? So, what they are rich with, and so are glad. But then all the way to the M1895 model is shown in the drawings and diagrams! This is interesting too. By the way, she's already ready.
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    3. +2
      6 March 2021 17: 53
      I join all the bliss hi I want to read and reread!
  2. +4
    5 March 2021 18: 11
    I like all these "wild-western" firearms, despite the fact that there were mostly runaway convicts, slaves and their masters, there were a lot of very talented people who were not in demand at home, and their "entrepreneurial streak" haunted them, they wanted more ... like our brothers, the Cherepanov brothers, but, the hardened and ossified power, did not give such an opportunity, however, it condoned the theft of thoughts ...
    1. +11
      5 March 2021 18: 14
      Quote: Aerodrome
      there were a lot of very talented people who were not in demand at home

      Exactly! That is why the country developed so quickly ...
      1. +6
        5 March 2021 18: 17
        Quote: kalibr
        Quote: Aerodrome
        there were a lot of very talented people who were not in demand at home

        Exactly! That is why the country developed so quickly ...

        wow ... you react quickly, Slava, it means you are at the computer, it means you are digging again, it means you will go somewhere soon ... good luck in your search ... hi
        1. +8
          5 March 2021 18: 20
          At me it is highlighted what is written (as well as yours), and yes - I am sitting working on the next material. And - yes, we have opened a state archive, on the 19th I will go, I signed up. But about a trip in the summer ... it all depends on the covid.
          1. +5
            5 March 2021 18: 39
            Quote: kalibr
            ... And - yes, we have opened a state archive, on the 19th I will go, I signed up.

            already ... intrigue .. already enviable.
            1. +7
              5 March 2021 19: 31
              Quote: Aerodrome
              already ... intrigue .. already enviable.

              Nothing special. At one time, one commentator decided to "pry" me that I, they say, write about western castles (I praise the West), but I cannot write about my Penza. And I really can't, because my wife was engaged in the topic of the Penza fortress. Even our second secretary of the OK CPSU Georg Myasnikov referred to her article in his book. But ... we have not preserved the materials. And the article was published in the regional newspaper. And all the design is there. Only the newspaper is missing. But how many of them, in the 80s ... And now I found it! It remains to take a photo, shove it into the "recognizer" and make the material, saturating it with photographs. Interesting, by the way, and very ... I'll do it - you'll see for yourself.
    2. +4
      5 March 2021 18: 32
      That is Browning from such freedom, where thoughts do not steal - he fled to Belgium, and before him Lewis. And before him - Maxim. And Stoner for the M-16 received only an approving slap on the shoulder, however, rightly so, because Stoner himself did not actually do nichrome there, and no one remembers those who did it. What the fuck, Freeman and Sullivan?
      1. +9
        5 March 2021 18: 39
        Quote: Cowbra
        where thoughts don't steal

        It's not just thoughts that are stolen there. But they also skillfully circumvent patents. And it develops ... and strongly. And Browning went to Belgium trite because ... they paid more there. And Maxim too. We go where they pay more. We have simply not learned yet, and we have not learned the languages, otherwise it would have been too ... for a long time.
        1. +7
          5 March 2021 19: 11
          Quote: kalibr
          We go where they pay more.

          By the way, this is one of the components of the success of the Marlin company ... they stupidly paid more money to their designers, were faster in making decisions and more attentive to new products in the arms market. Marlin quickly mastered the use of smokeless nitro powders, so the weapon mechanism was modified for more powerful cartridges. Caught a "trend" as they say.
      2. +8
        5 March 2021 19: 19
        And even earlier, Hugo Borchardt fled to his historical homeland, also, obviously, from an excess of freedom and a lack of money. smile
        1. +6
          5 March 2021 19: 38
          Quote: Sea Cat
          And even earlier, Hugo Borchardt fled to his historical homeland,

          Exactly - Yes. A talented gunsmith ... the Americans did not save him laughing ... So you look and the Germans would not have had a Luger P-08 pistol, many of the design features of which were borrowed from Borchard. Konstantin hi
          1. +3
            5 March 2021 20: 18
            Quote: Hunter 2
            So you look and the Germans would not have had a Luger P-08 pistol, many design features a cat

            So he designed a rifle on the basis of this mechanism.
    3. +6
      5 March 2021 18: 45
      Quote: Aerodrome
      I love all these wildwestern firearms



      Modern pneumatic clones of Marlin and Winchester!
      Winchester for 28 wood, Marlene around 40. Easier to hang on, but ... maybe someday. Marlene in Black Series, on the wall!
      1. +1
        6 March 2021 18: 08
        For that kind of money, it's easier to buy a full-fledged firearm version, albeit a Brazilian replica.
  3. +7
    5 March 2021 18: 32
    Great job, Thank you.
    1. +5
      5 March 2021 18: 55
      yes ... Vyacheslav worked ... +
  4. +19
    5 March 2021 18: 34
    It was she who produced the Colt Browning M1895 machine gun and its later version, called the Marlin machine gun, optimized for use on aircraft.

    Aviation machine gun Marlin М1918

    entered the final battles of the PMV. In the final version, the Marlin machine gun weighed almost the same as the popular Lewis, but, unlike them, it was perfectly synchronized, and the tape feed in the aircraft armament was much more convenient than the store one at Lewis.
    22 squadrons of the US Expeditionary Force that fought in Europe in 1918 were armed with Marlin machine guns, which were standard weapons on the American DH-4, SPAD, Salmson and Brequet.
    According to American pilots, the Marlin machine guns had exceptional reliability, operating even at extremely low temperatures at high altitudes up to 4.5 thousand meters. During the tests, the Marlin М1918 withstood 10 thousand shots without a single breakdown.
    By 1917, the Swedish gunsmith Karl Svebilius, who worked for the Marlin firm, had developed a version of the machine gun for tanks and armored vehicles, in this version, designated Marlin М1917

    Svebilius eliminated one of the main drawbacks of the Colt-Browning 1895/14 machine gun - the presence of a pendulum-like connecting rod, which in the Swiebilius version was replaced by the linear-translational mechanism of the gas piston, which is traditional today for gas exhaust systems of weapons. This decision was caused by purely utilitarian reasons - for the lever John Browning's design simply did not have a place in the cramped space of the then armored vehicles. In addition, Svebilius managed to partially eliminate another disadvantage of the machine gun - the low survivability of the barrel by introducing aluminum fins. A side result was an increase in the practical rate of fire of the Marlin М1917 machine gun to 650 rds / min. compared to the 400 for the base Colt model.
    Until the end of hostilities in Europe, 15 thousand Marlin М1918 machine guns and 23 thousand Marlin М1917 machine guns were delivered to the American army.
    1. +11
      5 March 2021 18: 40
      A very nice addition. Thank you!
      1. +4
        5 March 2021 19: 01
        Quote: kalibr
        A very nice addition. Thank you!

        I hope you, Vyacheslav, do not get it wrong, for your doooooolguuyuyuyuyuyuyuyu life, more than once, you will please us .... and our children ..... and damn grandchildren. yes .. I "hooked" my grandson on you ... reads about locks with rapture ...
        1. +6
          5 March 2021 19: 17
          Quote: Aerodrome
          about locks with rapture ...

          Well, he needs to write specifically about the haunted castle - oo-oo-oo-horror! To be afraid to go to the toilet at night. And I have one in mind ... In a word, go to VO!
          1. +3
            5 March 2021 20: 21
            Quote: kalibr
            Quote: Aerodrome
            about locks with rapture ...

            Well, he needs to write specifically about the haunted castle - oo-oo-oo-horror! To be afraid to go to the toilet at night. And I have one in mind ... In a word, go to VO!

            Nafig-nafig with ghosts and Baskervilles dogs - better cats !!!
            Where he lives - the cat is at least warm and comfortable, and there are no ghosts with drafts!
  5. +5
    5 March 2021 18: 56
    Good evening.
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, thank you for keeping your word. Already more than once I was convinced: if you said that you would write, then write.
    Winchester didn’t swear that Marlene was using "Henry's brace"? It's like a Winchester "family trait"
    1. +5
      5 March 2021 19: 19
      Quote: Astra wild2
      It's like a Winchester "family trait"

      Good evening to you, Astra! But this is not the case. These staples were ... at least eat one place ... There will be another article "Names against" Winchester. "There, too, about" staples. "A good example of how the market rules!
  6. +7
    5 March 2021 19: 10
    I like the train of thought of the site's editors, the most interesting thing is to blow the curtain when you shkandyba from work.
    We have not conquered space, but time is accurate.
    1. +5
      5 March 2021 19: 20
      Quote: mr.ZinGer
      I like the train of thought of the website editorial board

      There are smart people sitting there ...
      1. +10
        5 March 2021 19: 50
        If a series of articles about lever action rifles has already gone, then you cannot do without the Savage Model 1895 and 1899.
    2. +2
      5 March 2021 20: 48
      Quote: mr.ZinGer
      I like the train of thought of the site's editors, the most interesting thing is to blow the curtain when you shkandyba from work.
      We have not conquered space, but time is accurate.

      Who else is more comfortable for me in the morning! Took his eyes, washed, and will be afraid with morning coffee ... !!!! Even better, a yummy comes in if it comes with a comment from Alexey or Konstantin! The rest of the comrades are finishing off Vyacheslav Olegovich's work for dinner! If you have time, you can "get crazy." True, then VikNik comes and says that everything is wrong and drives you under the "broom"! But ethno is not scary !!! laughing
      From under the bench, you can hiss, bend your back and hold the tail with a pipe! Anyway, no one sees and does not throw slippers
  7. +5
    5 March 2021 19: 19
    An interesting article, but the technical characteristics of these samples would be found out. Sighting range, accuracy, what a bullet can penetrate, at what distance. And that the little thing in America was in demand did not even know. So for recreational shooting? They were still fighting with the Indians at that time, strange. I thought with a caliber less than 45, only children go to kindergarten there.
    1. +2
      5 March 2021 20: 36
      Wind, I think about it myself: there is not enough information about - performance characteristics and aiming range. This would complement the work
    2. +1
      6 March 2021 18: 11
      It was the cabin with the Indians, who, unlike the American warriors, were armed with similar carbines, which at that time had the highest rate of fire and became a lesson for all Americans.
  8. +9
    5 March 2021 19: 24
    For some reason, it is believed that all rifles with a bolt controlled by a lever are "Winchesters". However, in reality, this is far from the case.
    Sometimes quite interesting situations arose.
    In 1883, Andrew Bagess, who successfully combined photography with weapon design, created and patented his lever action rifle design.
    He did not have his own production and sold the patent to Colt's Patent Firearms Manufacturing Company, which began production in 1884.

    True, production after the release of 6403 units was suddenly curtailed. The reason for the termination remained unknown, but information appeared that Winchester, in response to such a volt, began developing a revolver similar to the Colt revolver. But in 1885, the firms reached a gentlemanly agreement - Colt will stop producing lever action rifles, Winchester will not produce revolvers. To what extent this legend corresponds to reality, there is no information available.
    1. +2
      5 March 2021 20: 08
      For some reason it seems to me that they made a compromise. Colt did not compete with Winchester
      1. +5
        5 March 2021 20: 13
        A gentlemen's agreement is a compromise. By the way, I was wrong, right Burgess.
    2. +4
      5 March 2021 20: 17
      This is what the next article will be about after the article about M1895 ...
  9. +6
    5 March 2021 19: 25
    Vyacheslav, thanks! hi
    Honestly, I was waiting for you to take up Marlin, so, I waited and got another portion of pleasure, with which I congratulate myself, and thank you. good drinks
    The illustrations are just obscenely good! smile
    1. +3
      5 March 2021 20: 26
      And for some reason I was sure that Vyacheslav would start right away with the Russian model, but he did not please with an intermediate article!
  10. +3
    5 March 2021 19: 25
    "LR" long rifle, but in reality they also used a pistol cartridge?
    1. +5
      5 March 2021 19: 45
      There was one more round. 22 caliber, short, it was called "22 short" in English and "22 kurz" in German. Both are still used for sport shooting with pistols and revolvers. There was also an even more powerful 22 WMR cartridge.
      Here they are all three.
      1. +4
        5 March 2021 19: 58
        I will add Constantine. Based on the 5.6 (+/-) mm caliber, the most common cartridges are: 22L, .22LR, .22 WMR, .22 Hornet, .220 Swift, .218 Bee, 5,6x61 vom Hofe, .222 Remington, .224 Weatherby Magnum , .225 Winchester, .22-250 Remington, .223 Remington, 5,6x57 RWS, .5,6x50 (R) Magnum and .223 WSSM, 5,6x39 (Our wink ).
        1. +5
          5 March 2021 20: 05
          Lyosha, just in time to catch up with you:
          Marlin Model 60 chambered for .22 LR.
          And the photo is just the anniversary rifle.
          1. +4
            5 March 2021 20: 08
            An excellent self-loading rifle for Training and Recreational Shooting good as many as 15 rounds can be charged! fellow
        2. 0
          6 March 2021 18: 13
          Well, then what was added, this is from another song
      2. +1
        5 March 2021 20: 16
        Quote: Sea Cat
        Here they are all three.

        And which of these three in the picture is called 22 short? laughing
        1. +4
          5 March 2021 20: 24
          Quite rightly faked smile , you need to be more attentive (to me).

          The one on the left is 22 short.
          1. +2
            5 March 2021 20: 56
            Quote: Sea Cat
            The one on the left is 22 short.

            Now I completely agree! good
  11. +6
    5 March 2021 19: 34
    Here Vyacheslav wrote about the convenience of installing optics on the Marlin model, here I was digging something over the network. smile

    Marlin 1894-SBL-44

    Marlin 1895 - in - 470 turnbull /

    And here's another "exotic". smile
    1. +7
      5 March 2021 19: 44
      Here Vyacheslav wrote about the convenience of installing optics on the Marlin model


    2. +7
      5 March 2021 19: 52
      Tortured to photoshop, then the resolution is not that, then something else. request

      1. +3
        5 March 2021 20: 20
        There is a company in Samara that sells deactivated copies of Uberti - Marlin!
        1. +4
          5 March 2021 20: 34
          I would kill for deactivation, okay, even in museums, there the employees have nowhere to go - the law, emveda, kegebe, but who is this meant for? So you can get to vodka bottles with tap water. Ugh! negative
  12. +6
    5 March 2021 19: 36
    Comrades, today's Samsonov has not lost my memory and has not forgotten V.O. And then I am "frightened" by the Samsonovs' fantasy.
    1. +2
      5 March 2021 19: 59
      Glory, hello! Whom did you drag from Samsonov? See below.
      1. +2
        5 March 2021 20: 24
        So we do not require a pass, that's the result. Probably in the next I will check for a "tail". Exactly exactly as in the defect
  13. -3
    5 March 2021 19: 44
    So, is it a fucking hard drive? Was the three-line in the world wars a loshara?
    1. +4
      5 March 2021 19: 57
      A very imaginative turn, compare a rifle with a mare. Pleased. wassat
  14. -1
    5 March 2021 19: 47
    I believe that the three-line is a weapon of all time. Simple and SPECIFIC. At 1.5 km
    1. +8
      5 March 2021 19: 56
      Oh-yo, and where exactly will you find yourself at a distance of one and a half kilometers? laughing
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      2. +6
        5 March 2021 20: 30
        Quote: Sea Cat
        Oh-yo, and where exactly will you find yourself at a distance of one and a half kilometers?

        I'll get into the sky.
        1. +4
          5 March 2021 20: 38
          Unhappy heaven, what is it for? Is it because it is blue? laughing

          Hello Vladimir. drinks
          1. +5
            5 March 2021 20: 41
            Quote: Sea Cat
            Unhappy heaven, what is it for? Is it because it is blue?

            Where else to shoot? In the light of day, Svyatoslav is already beating like a pretty penny.
            Good evening. hi
        2. +3
          5 March 2021 20: 55
          Quote: mordvin xnumx
          Quote: Sea Cat
          Oh-yo, and where exactly will you find yourself at a distance of one and a half kilometers?

          I'll get into the sky.

          Leave aside, I know you "snipers" will start to smack into the white world like a pretty penny, and you will get into the fence on which respectable cats spend their leisure time!
          laughing
          Good evening Vladimir!
          1. +4
            5 March 2021 21: 01
            Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
            Leave aside, I know you "snipers" will start to smack into the white world like a pretty penny, and you will get into the fence on which respectable cats spend their leisure time!

            Yes, not in zhist, not in a cat! Once, only from an uncharged air, I scared my uncle's cat in childhood. She gave such a streak, then my mouth opened up. She lived up to her name one hundred percent. They called him a bullet.
            1. +2
              5 March 2021 21: 02
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              They called him a bullet.

              good
      3. +4
        5 March 2021 20: 32
        Quote: magdama
        I believe that the three-line is a weapon of all time. Simple and SPECIFIC. At 1.5 km

        I couldn't even resist and put a plus !!!
        The only one let me ask you for one and a half kilometers how to shoot with or without optics, then I understood at a target 14 by 14!
        1. +5
          5 March 2021 20: 40
          Vlad, the client has already been "figured out", you see, he was rude to someone from an excess of feelings and resentment for his own rifle. laughing
          1. +5
            5 March 2021 21: 05
            Quote: Sea Cat
            Vlad, the client has already been "figured out", you see, he was rude to someone from an excess of feelings and resentment for his own rifle. laughing

            Uncle Kostya, she is dear to us too! I will say more she is "our everything" marker of three wars and a symbol of victory !!!
            But what's the point of writing nonsense about her ... I just don't understand. request
            1. +7
              5 March 2021 21: 14
              .. just don't understand.

              And don't, and don't try, my friend's neighbor tried to read the whole Karl Marx, you know how he ended up. laughing
              1. +5
                5 March 2021 22: 25
                Is it like the Madrian story?
                1. +1
                  6 March 2021 11: 54
                  What do you mean? Boogie Woogie?

                  1. +3
                    6 March 2021 12: 15
                    "Dog's heart":

                    “I've also read Brockhausen and Efron.
                    I read two volumes.

                    Close the book: everything flew out.
                    There on the left side there are two Broneckis: one is brother Adrian, the other is Marian, and I have Mandrian! "
                    1. +3
                      6 March 2021 12: 27
                      Yeah ... got it. laughing

                      Mandrata navel - mandrata na!

                      1. +2
                        6 March 2021 12: 29
                        "That she will reward your passionate ardor in full" (c).
                      2. +1
                        6 March 2021 12: 31
                        "The sunsets were blazing
                        And the wind hit my face
                        Everything was once ... "(c) request
                      3. +2
                        6 March 2021 13: 43
                        "The bears rub their backs
                        On the earth's axis ”(c).
                      4. +1
                        6 March 2021 13: 48
                        Solid bear!
                      5. +1
                        6 March 2021 16: 03
                        What is the vegetation in the background?
                      6. +1
                        6 March 2021 16: 04
                        It’s hard to say, I don’t really understand the beast either. request
                      7. +1
                        6 March 2021 17: 49
                        On the way to the planet Shelezyak, which is inhabited by robots.
                      8. +3
                        6 March 2021 19: 08
                        Interesting, come on, they have a life ... what

    2. +5
      5 March 2021 20: 14
      Vyacheslav Olegovich had material about a three-line rifle
    3. +7
      5 March 2021 20: 14
      Quote: magdama
      I believe that the three-line is a weapon of all time. Simple and SPECIFIC. At 1.5 km

      Error ... laughing A WEAPON of all time is a STONE, a participant in many more wars Yes
      1.5 km ... why not 3 km laughing ??
      1. +6
        5 March 2021 20: 20
        Lyosha! Don't you dare argue with a deserved participant in the Battle of Kulikovo and the Battle on the Ice! am

        1. +4
          5 March 2021 20: 24
          Quote: Sea Cat



          Well, everything is Scribe (polar fox) stop now the "participant" will change the avatar and disperse Our Armory party belay
          1. +4
            5 March 2021 20: 59
            Quote: Hunter 2
            Quote: Sea Cat



            Well, everything is Scribe (polar fox) stop now the "participant" will change the avatar and disperse Our Armory party belay

            Quote: vladcub
            Kostya, you have a fierce Neanderthal

            I will complain to Greenpeace about this monster in leopard skin, and leopards are also felines!
            I propose to change him into underpants of 101 dolmantines! am
            1. +5
              5 March 2021 21: 03
              Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka

              I propose to change him into underpants of 101 dolmantines! am

              belay stop Where is Anton ??? We will choke you am Dog breeders - All to protect the Dalmatians! And ... check out Weapons and Ammo ...
              1. +6
                5 March 2021 22: 00
                When my dog ​​realized why cats exist in the world, I realized: the girl has grown! And he stopped letting her off the leash next to residential buildings. wink
                1. +5
                  5 March 2021 22: 08
                  Here, let the "cat" look around ... not everything to the Cat Shrovetide (s).
                  1. +3
                    5 March 2021 22: 12
                    Uh-huh. Play by Ostrovsky. I liked Galibin's production.
                  2. +4
                    5 March 2021 22: 14
                    They can count on fermented baked milk for another week.
                2. +5
                  5 March 2021 22: 34
                  And stopped letting her off the leash next to residential buildings
                  And I have no leash. As we lost five years ago, we never got more.
                  1. +3
                    5 March 2021 22: 40
                    We cannot be off a leash, at least twice a year.
                3. +4
                  6 March 2021 05: 34

                  Oh, the life of a tinsmith! wink
                  1. +3
                    6 March 2021 14: 35
                    Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
                    :

                    Every day in the world there are Thousands of special operations to remove cats from trees, special services are involved, budget money is spent ... Please answer the question? At least One person saw the Cat who fell from a tree and crashed belay ? Too much "cat" lobby wink
                    Good afternoon Yes
                    1. +2
                      6 March 2021 15: 03
                      The mustache removed from the trees are divided into those without which the owners cannot drink, sleep and eat, or because of neighbors who, under a loud mash, cannot drink, eat and sleep normally, as well as watch football, wash in the bathroom, work with an angle grinder (grinder ) !!!! laughing
                      1. +2
                        6 March 2021 15: 11
                        Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
                        Mustache removed from trees are divided into those without which the owners cannot drink, sleep and eat, or because of neighbors ...

                        This is what was required to be proved! Yes As a neighbor of one of the "sufferers" I think it would be RATIONAL to remove the next tree frog with the help of the Slingshot feel tongue
                      2. +2
                        6 March 2021 15: 18
                        Ivan the Terrible, Peter II, Peter III, Nicholas II say they indulged in similar things, than they finished reminding!
                        laughing
                      3. +1
                        6 March 2021 15: 25
                        Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
                        Ivan the Terrible, Peter II, Peter III, Nicholas II say they indulged in similar things, than they finished reminding!
                        laughing

                        Damn ... what Party in the same row got into belay
                        I am a humanist !!! Aiming with a small-bore nut (small-caliber nut), for prevention purposes - Do not bring Suffering to the owners! wink and budget savings!
                      4. +1
                        6 March 2021 16: 37
                        Look back at him before aiming for the tail!
                      5. +3
                        6 March 2021 16: 51
                        Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
                        Look back at him before aiming for the tail!

                        I'm ready to undergo rehabilitation later ... everything is for the good of the Society and not for the "cat-worshipers" at the laughing
                        Neighborhood Cat - Loves me, I bring him a fish from fishing ... so - Forgive sins Yes
              2. +5
                5 March 2021 22: 13
                How we think the same.
                After all, the daughter is also a cat owner.
                But why be aggressive towards dogs?
                Urgently "Dog in Boots" to revise.
                1. +5
                  5 March 2021 22: 17
                  Quote from Korsar4

                  After all, the daughter is also a cat owner.

                  Well, that's it ... Now there will be "angry" statements about the return of the slave-owning, ugh Cat-owning system crying laughing
                  1. +5
                    5 March 2021 22: 19
                    To be honest, this insolent face of the Marquis represents the customs and tasting departments in one bottle. It is not for him to complain about life in the family, except perhaps the yeomen.
                  2. +5
                    5 March 2021 22: 28
                    This is a much more archaic stage of social development: cat worship and cotriarchy.
                    1. +4
                      5 March 2021 22: 33
                      Quote: 3x3zsave
                      cat worship and cotriarchy.

                      Now they will definitely instruct the "minuses" what They will show the eerie grin of Catopitalism! bully
                      1. +5
                        5 March 2021 22: 38
                        Come on! Maximum - shit in slippers. Should we dog lovers who have tasted more than one pair of gnawed shoes regret this ?!
                      2. +4
                        5 March 2021 22: 42
                        Quote: 3x3zsave
                        Maximum - shit in slippers.

                        They hid, however, apparently revealing the entire grouping of Dogs and sympathizers ... drinks
                      3. +5
                        5 March 2021 22: 52
                        Sneakers sneak up on sneakers, saboteurs laughing
                      4. +3
                        6 March 2021 12: 35
                        Slippers are yesterday. laughing

                      5. +5
                        6 March 2021 12: 37
                        Let's figure it out laughing

                      6. +5
                        6 March 2021 14: 29
                        I went with trump cards am You know that I don't know how to post pictures from my phone ... okay, let's answer "prose"
                        BETTER Quiet with SVD than Heroyski from TT wink
                        Welcome hi
                      7. +6
                        6 March 2021 14: 45
                        Oh well...

                        To any of your questions - our simple answer: "We have an AK, but you do not have it."

            2. +4
              5 March 2021 21: 11
              The underpants need to be washed, so it's easier for him to be naked. laughing

            3. +4
              5 March 2021 22: 12
              Have you agreed with Anton?
              1. +5
                5 March 2021 22: 32
                What is there! My opinion is reckoned with when my buffoonery deprives me of sleep and appetite.
                1. +4
                  5 March 2021 22: 38
                  To deprive of appetite with words?
                  I don't even want to imagine this.
                  1. +5
                    5 March 2021 22: 46
                    In general, even to suicide is not particularly difficult to bring, and even to psychopathology - in general, as two bytes to send.
                    1. +6
                      5 March 2021 22: 53
                      Vulnerabilities need to be known.
                      And life experience gives a certain hardening.
                      1. +6
                        5 March 2021 23: 04
                        The points of instability of the psyche of an individual are identified quickly. I lived for 15 years with a psychologist who did not oppress herself with professional ethics in my personal life, and acquired some skills in this area.
                      2. +4
                        5 March 2021 23: 15
                        Remotely, this is probably more difficult.
                        And it's easier to reach from the inner circle.
        2. +5
          5 March 2021 20: 30
          Kostya, you have a fierce Neanderthal
          1. +6
            5 March 2021 20: 36
            He is not with me, he is like that in life! I saw a man with a three-line and immediately attacked! laughing
    4. +6
      5 March 2021 20: 25
      The best weapon is one that is used by the whole world or a significant part of it. Look at the armies of which countries of the world used 3-line and which Mauser ...
      1. +6
        5 March 2021 20: 39
        Actually, the Mauser brothers were great
      2. +3
        6 March 2021 13: 04
        Mosinka was limitedly in service with the Polish army.



        But only the Finns produced it on their own.
        The M / 28 rifle or "pustukorva" - "spitz" was the weapon of the Finnish security detachments. The rifle was made on the basis of the SI Mosin system, produced in Finland.



        That's just in relation to China and North. I don’t really know anything about Korea. request
  15. -6
    5 March 2021 19: 51
    I look at the bazaar on the site ... There is no talk about business. Purely ambition, who is cooler))) You guys are funny !! Did anyone hold a Kalash? Not?))
    1. +7
      5 March 2021 19: 55
      "Drunkard" did not hold, and AKMS all three years was a crew submachine gun.
      1. +7
        5 March 2021 22: 17
        Even the majority of schoolchildren who find the CWP will answer this question positively.
    2. +6
      5 March 2021 20: 01
      Did anyone hold a Kalash? Not?))
      Have you done your homework, Kalasha holder? Judging by the content of the comments, you are somewhere in the 7-8 grade, right?
      1. +5
        5 March 2021 21: 11
        Judging by the chevron, the "kid" registered on the site even before the first "walk", the other day "leaned back" after the second.
        1. +7
          5 March 2021 21: 14
          It was just that he was registered on the website at birth, as in ancient times "in the regiment" was recorded.
          1. +7
            5 March 2021 21: 20
            It is also an option. In this case, the "Khomyatsky" regiment arrived.
        2. +1
          6 March 2021 19: 59
          My poet, what does your chevron mean? I racked my brains for a long time, but today by the way I had to.
          Maybe the site's veterans' badge?
          1. +1
            6 March 2021 20: 07
            My Fair Stranger, my chevron only means that I registered on the resource more than four years ago. A lot of water has flowed under the bridge since then ...
            1. +2
              6 March 2021 21: 20
              Almost guessed. Means: 1 more than a year, 2 - more than 2 years, etc.?
              1. 0
                7 March 2021 05: 17
                Absolutely.
    3. +7
      5 March 2021 20: 19
      Forgive me, but I do not grasp your logic: they talked about a three-line rifle and right there about a Kalashnikov.
      R.
      S.
      She held and even fired, and what of that?
    4. +6
      5 March 2021 20: 38

      Hold on, what's next? hi
  16. +6
    5 March 2021 19: 57
    Comrades, at the first moment I did not enter the epigraph, and then I saw that it correctly conveys the essence. "Gore" is essentially two "Winchesters", but "Marlin" has a strong point: accuracy in finishing. The stores were probably the same size.
    PS.
    Please indicate the size of the store
    1. +5
      5 March 2021 20: 23
      Quote: vladcub
      Please indicate the size of the store

      Accepted!
  17. +6
    5 March 2021 20: 20
    Very interesting! I heard about Marlin, but I remember why only 22LR. And then there are almost all the options. Thanks a lot to the author! I must admit that purely subjective, for some reason I like Marlin's design more than Winchester. Apparently, in reality, the responses of buyers were better heard. good
  18. +5
    5 March 2021 20: 26
    Quote: Sea Cat
    Oh-yo, and where exactly will you find yourself at a distance of one and a half kilometers? laughing

    It is known where: into the light of day
  19. +8
    5 March 2021 20: 48
    And Marlin also produced revolvers before rifles. I found something here, but there probably still is.
    Where is Nikolaich - this is his theme ?!

    Marlin No. 32 Standard 1875 revolver.



    Marlin 38 Standard 1878 revolver.

    1. +7
      5 March 2021 21: 12
      They also released classics of a very decent level.
      1. +3
        5 March 2021 21: 28
        I’m just wondering why the direct "English" stock, both on rifles and on shotguns, was supplemented with a protrusion characteristic of a pistol stock ???
        1. +3
          6 March 2021 05: 53
          Quote: Hunter 2
          I’m just wondering why the direct "English" stock, both on rifles and on shotguns, was supplemented with a protrusion characteristic of a pistol stock ???

          Apparently a marketing move - both ours and yours!
    2. +4
      5 March 2021 23: 19
      Quote: Sea Cat
      Where is Nikolaich - this is his theme ?!

      I ... hi ... I released ... and not only revolvers, but also derringers ... I have a "material" about Marlin's revolvers ... But since today we are talking about Marlin's rifles (carbines); then it would be better to post a video showing work of mechanisms "Marlin"!
      1. +2
        6 March 2021 11: 56
        Volodya, to understand how the system works, you posted what you need, but I meant revolvers. drinks
  20. +6
    5 March 2021 20: 55
    If we are talking about "unusual and unique" lever rifles; it is difficult to pass by Savage M1895 and M1899 .... Vyacheslav Olegovich, did you really decide to leave the Savage for "afterward" ... like for "dessert"?
    1. +4
      5 March 2021 21: 08
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      If we are talking about "unusual and unique" lever rifles; it is difficult to pass by Savage M1895 and M1899 .... Vyacheslav Olegovich, did you really decide to leave the Savage for "afterward" ... like for "dessert"?

      Dear Nikolaevich, do not press on the patient! crying
      1. +7
        5 March 2021 21: 18
        Brothers, let a man breathe, the only author who writes about a firearm, and you, come on, come on. fellow You need a conscience, citizens. stop
        1. +7
          5 March 2021 21: 45
          Konstantin, it is difficult to "press" on Shpakovsky in general, he swears laughing and even gets banned for it. We ask so respectfully and express our wishes with all due respect to Sh.V. O
          1. +6
            5 March 2021 22: 08
            Shpakovsky is generally difficult to "press"
            Not really if you know how. Not that I know, but sometimes I succeed. And, most importantly, it does not meet with reciprocal resistance.
            1. +6
              6 March 2021 05: 50
              Quote: 3x3zsave
              Shpakovsky is generally difficult to "press"
              Not really if you know how. Not that I know, but sometimes I succeed. And, most importantly, he does not meet with a response

              Smiled!

              Creative muses of Vyacheslav Olegovich!
              Just don't be offended just kidding !!!
              1. +5
                6 March 2021 10: 42
                So imperceptibly March came up.
                1. +6
                  6 March 2021 10: 46
                  Well, I don’t know who, like our cats, is still on the sadness to lie. A good owner will not chase a dog on the street.
                  1. +6
                    6 March 2021 10: 50
                    Our snow subsided well. Sun and very light frost. A fairy tale in anticipation of Spring in all its manifestations.
                  2. +4
                    6 March 2021 11: 47
                    We don't have a dog, but we don't release a cat, we don't need to feed cystitis. smile
                    1. +3
                      6 March 2021 14: 03
                      Quote: Sea Cat
                      We don't have a dog, but we don't release a cat, we don't need to feed cystitis. smile

                      Take the receipt from the cat so that the kittens are not thrown under the door later! laughing
                      1. +5
                        6 March 2021 14: 49
                        He has already covered the whole sheet, but to the point ... laughing

                      2. +1
                        6 March 2021 14: 52
                        Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        We don't have a dog, but we don't release a cat, we don't need to feed cystitis. smile

                        Take the receipt from the cat so that the kittens are not thrown under the door later! laughing

                        Maybe, in weapons terminology, he's COOL laughing only zilch - but no sense feel
                      3. +3
                        6 March 2021 15: 09
                        Quote: Hunter 2
                        Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        We don't have a dog, but we don't release a cat, we don't need to feed cystitis. smile

                        Take the receipt from the cat so that the kittens are not thrown under the door later! laughing

                        Maybe, in weapons terminology, he's COOL laughing only zilch - but no sense feel

                        I'm not sure that Uncle Kostya's hand on his pet will rise, I think this is a "legend" for the neighbors, and so he probably already "hollow" from the beginning of the support mat !!!
                      4. +2
                        6 March 2021 21: 28
                        Yeah, of course, look at his face. laughing

                      5. +2
                        6 March 2021 21: 54
                        Quote: Sea Cat



                        What a disgusting face (s) laughing
                        Handsome! With such fur, it needs to be sent to the Arctic to master laughing On the ice - for the winter! Never understood how mice survive in such conditions ??? belay All fluffy Cats - To mobilize and force to work off the sour cream obtained earlier in the zone of Russia's strategic interests! soldier
                      6. +1
                        6 March 2021 22: 44
                        ... how do mice survive in such conditions ???


                        And they do not survive, we simply do not have them, as well as rats. When the live food was over at home, Kotyara switched to voles, at the same time the moles got it.
                        And about the Arctic - no, let Shoigu defend his own interests there. They have oil there, and neither me nor my cat is dumb with this broth. Fuck!
                      7. +2
                        6 March 2021 22: 47
                        Thinking apolitically Constantine laughing When spaceships ply the vastness of the universe (c) ... Bourgeois wink
                      8. 0
                        7 March 2021 05: 36
                        Quote: Hunter 2
                        Quote: Sea Cat



                        What a disgusting face (s) laughing
                        Handsome! With such fur, it needs to be sent to the Arctic to master laughing On the ice - for the winter! Never understood how mice survive in such conditions ??? belay All fluffy Cats - To mobilize and force to work off the sour cream obtained earlier in the zone of Russia's strategic interests! soldier

                        Uh-huh, he was captured when Uncle Kostya explained to his favorite that he was virtually "oholy". Thinks how to get to Tyumen and where to put your slingshot, well, put it - feel
                  3. +3
                    6 March 2021 21: 45
                    We had +14 today and think: the snow hasn't melted yet!
                    1. +3
                      6 March 2021 21: 49
                      And here it generally continues to fall crying minus seven was minus 12 now ...
                      1. +2
                        6 March 2021 22: 45
                        In the Ryazan region, it is still minus seven. drinks
                    2. 0
                      7 March 2021 05: 32
                      Quote: vladcub
                      We had +14 today and think: the snow hasn't melted yet!

                      Now it's minus 18!
                      Let it get warm !!!
                      1. +1
                        7 March 2021 08: 26
                        It was -4 at night. They promise +5 for the day. Satisfied with this temperature?
        2. +2
          6 March 2021 20: 58
          Good evening. Out of anguish, I dropped in to reread, and at the same time toss V. About a new topic, its venerable Viktor Nikolaevich suggested: "telescopic sight"
          1. 0
            6 March 2021 21: 21
            Quote: vladcub
            :"optical sight"

            Nothing will come of it. I don't like this topic at all.
            1. +1
              7 March 2021 08: 33
              "it didn't hurt and I wanted to," he said when he was not poured
              1. 0
                7 March 2021 16: 21
                Quote: vladcub
                "it didn't hurt and I wanted to," he said when he was not poured

                Vladislav, after your comment, of all climbed on like this!

                crying
  21. +2
    6 March 2021 18: 22
    Interesting article, thanks to the author.

    In the hands of this happened to hold and shoot relatively recently, about three years ago. A pleasant impression from the system itself, although it was a copy of the Brazilian production. In the ancestral home, the system was more convenient, taking into account that it was possible to own both a revolver and a carbine under a powerful pistol cartridge of the same caliber.
  22. 0
    8 March 2021 23: 58
    To be honest, the feeling of some kind of translated advertising booklet is present in this article by Vyacheslav. (But you also need to translate skillfully ...)
    In general, I would like to receive more "author's" works from our deeply respected Author (I'm already used to it and have spoiled myself ...).
  23. 0
    15 March 2021 21: 55
    https://www.henryusa.com/
    in the same New Haven. kind of number one on the market. by the way the hard drive bracket is called "henry bracket"
  24. 0
    28 March 2021 04: 24
    In the museum of the city of Kizlyar there was an M1895 from the time of the Civil War ...
  25. 0
    April 9 2021 15: 32
    Interesting, thank you
    PS ^ I have never been and will not become a supporter of levers, but in the absence of fish ...
  26. 0
    30 May 2021 14: 26
    With all the admiration (and opportunities to use it) - the whole thrill was killed by two completely, alas, "non-field" nuances of devices: an open kurkovschina and an under-barrel magazine, capacious, but long sequential loading! For example, everyone (EVERYONE, Karl!) Is good at the self-cocking revolver, and this is his proprietary feature with the drum moving onto the barrel! But with an "operational" pull, something is MANDATORY (usually a trigger!), But clings to clothes or equipment! And this full-time sequential reloading system of his - how many did she kill ...
    Personally, I have nothing better for accurate and comfortable shooting than the M16-A2 - and accuracy, and accuracy, and grasping ability, and the service staff too. But I will never, NEVER take it to the field instead of the good old AK-47!