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Slaughter "Gorynych": hypersonic weapons for the Su-57

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The media so often talk about Russia as a leader in the development of hypersonic weaponsthat very few people doubt this fact. Here and "Zircon", and "Dagger" and "Vanguard". And the constantly mentioned plans to equip them (not counting the Vanguard) with them practically everything that can fly or walk the seas (an exaggeration, of course, but many ships and submarines of the Russian Navy can really arm many ships and submarines with the Zircon).

Meanwhile, a closer look reveals not only the advantages, but also the disadvantages of the complexes. The Dagger and Avangard are largely based on old Soviet designs, such as the Iskander complex, the MiG-31 interceptor and the UR-100N UTTH ballistic missile, which is the carrier of the Avangard combat unit. In turn, the potential of "Zircon", which is a sea-based complex, directly depends on the state of the ships of the Russian Navy and the presence / absence of their full-fledged air cover.


There is one aspect that unites these (of course, extremely interesting) developments. All of them are very large and expensive complexes by default. Obviously, a real breakthrough can only be expected with the advent of relatively inexpensive hypersonic aviation ASP.

The use of an air platform as a carrier makes it possible to deliver the "cargo" to a given point as quickly as possible, inflicting the maximum possible damage on the enemy. It will be better if the air platform turns out to be inconspicuous, or even better - a full-fledged stealth, like modern fifth-generation fighters.

Thus, the developers of hypersonic weapons face several challenges:

- Reducing the mass and dimensions of the complexes (the mass of the missile complex "Dagger", according to rumors, is about 4 tons);
- Integration of hypersonic systems into the armament of not only specialized vehicles, but also multifunctional fighters (if such a technical capability, of course, is available).

Not by the West alone


Usually, airborne hypersonic weapons are associated with US developments: we are not talking about the aeroballistic Dagger now, for a number of reasons this is a separate topic. Among them, for example, a promising rocket with a guided warhead AGM-183A ARRW (I must say, also a fairly large complex) and a more compact Hypersonic Air-breathing Weapon Concept or HAWC, which can be carried by the F-35. A missile with a similar name - the Hypersonic Conventional Strike Weapon (HCSW) - was recently abandoned by the United States.


How can Russia answer? Back in December 2018, a source in the aircraft industry told TASS that the Su-57 would be armed with a new hypersonic missile. The interlocutor of the department noted:

“In accordance with the current GPV (State Armament Program, - Ed.) For 2018-2027, Su-57 fighters will be armed with hypersonic missiles. The aircraft will receive a missile with characteristics similar to the Dagger missiles, but it will be internally placed and smaller. "

It is noteworthy that earlier in the media there were rumors about the possible equipping of the Su-57 fighter with the "Dagger", but they quickly died down. The reason is generally clear. For the internal compartments of the fighter, the rocket is too large, and with a hypothetical suspension on the external holder, the main advantage of the Su-57 in the face of stealth is leveled. The more likely development of events was previously announced by Western analysts. According to him, the new weapon for the Su-57 may be a variation of the BrahMos-II hypersonic missile, created as part of the joint Russian-Indian program. According to data from open sources, it can develop a speed of M = 8.


Noteworthy in this respect is the statement of a source in the military-industrial complex, made in December last year. According to him, the first (in fact, the second, since the very first serial Su-57 crashed in 2019), the serial machine is used for tests of a certain hypersonic system. According to the interlocutor of TASS:

“The first serial Su-57 entered GLITs at the end of November. It will be used to test the latest aviation hypersonic weapons. "

The complex is being developed by specialists from the Tactical Missile Armament Corporation.

Finally, the most important news about hypersonic weapons for the Su-57 appeared in February of this year: however, it did not concern a production vehicle, but one of the previously built prototypes. In short, the Su-57 has already begun testing a new hypersonic weapon. A source in the OPK told RIA Novosti the following:

“As part of the tests, the experienced Su-57 fighter performed several flights with functional mass and size models of the new Russian intra-fuselage hypersonic missile. Prior to that, the prototypes of the new product were tested in the internal compartment of the fighter on the ground.


According to him, the demonstrators at this stage are deprived of engines, fuel and warheads, but at the same time they are identical to real ammunition in terms of size and weight. In addition, for more detailed testing, they were equipped with homing heads. If everything goes the way the Russian developers want, then soon the Su-57 will perform the first drop tests of the new missiles.

As before, the characteristics of the weapon have not yet been disclosed (it is noteworthy that the characteristics of the Su-57 itself do not yet know for sure, they are tentative). However, the source still named the main details of the concept. This is an air-to-surface missile that

"Provides maneuverable flight at hypersonic speed for a long time."

Small ammunition. Judging from the statement, it is more designed to engage stationary targets, such as missile launchers, rather than moving tanks or BMP. In general, this is logical: for the latter, a more economical solution can be found: for example, the mysterious "Product 305", which they want to equip the Russian Mi-28NM and Ka-52M attack helicopters with. And which, according to rumors, will have a range of 100 kilometers, which is more than enough to solve the lion's share of tasks.

If we talk specifically about hypersonic weapons, then the following option seems to be the most logical here: Russia can create several complexes. One of them (the one mentioned above) will be able to carry the Su-57 and other fighter-bombers. In addition, a larger missile may appear - a conditional analogue of the American AGM-183A - which will be carried by strategic bombers PAK DA and Tu-160M ​​(possibly Tu-95MSM and long-range Tu-22M3M). These are incomparably more lifting machines, which, moreover, have a significantly larger combat radius, which in total will allow solving strategic tasks at a new level.


How it will be in reality - time will tell. One thing is for sure: the new air-to-surface missile will greatly expand the capabilities of the Su-57, allowing it to gain a foothold in the status of a multipurpose vehicle.
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  1. Aerodrome
    Aerodrome 28 February 2021 06: 12
    +3
    Slaughter "Gorynych": hypersonic weapons for the Su-57
    I'm already confused ... "gremlin", "gorynych" ... maybe TOS 1a "pinocchio" there too ... but cho, UR 77-SU-57 - not bad either ...
    1. Elena Zakharova
      Elena Zakharova 28 February 2021 20: 58
      0
      And what are you confused about?
  2. mark1
    mark1 28 February 2021 07: 24
    0
    Dimensions, of course, are tiny with the declared range. The modified X-15 would fit into such mass dimensions (the length should be reduced by half a meter), but again the range ... the whole revolution would be in the turbojet engine and fuel. But it would be cheap. reliable and practical.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 28 February 2021 17: 30
      0
      Therefore, the scramjet and turbojet engine are preferable as the first stage.
      1. mark1
        mark1 28 February 2021 17: 36
        +1
        There is also a rocket-direct-flow solid-propellant RD (increases the burning time of the charge)
    2. Elena Zakharova
      Elena Zakharova 28 February 2021 20: 59
      -1
      When have you heard about vacuum infusion technology?
      1. mark1
        mark1 1 March 2021 05: 08
        0
        Heard about the production of composites. Do you want to open a side unknown to me?
  3. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 28 February 2021 07: 25
    +8
    The content of the "article" ...: "la-la-la .... tra-la-la ..."
    1. Elena Zakharova
      Elena Zakharova 28 February 2021 21: 00
      0
      It seemed to me that you are a marshal of tank forces, no?
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 28 February 2021 22: 47
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        No ... although at one time he was listed as a reservist of a separate tank battalion ... recourse
  4. Thrifty
    Thrifty 28 February 2021 07: 43
    -18%
    Ilya, a hundred times have already argued to the point of hoarseness that the "Vanguard" is a rocket "quickly" cobbled together from scratch, about the principle "in order to have available", initially it was proposed to arm only long-range bombers and strategists with it, but it occurred to someone to arm the MiG31 with the Vanguard, this is not a revised Iskander, but a completely independent development! The similarity of one product to another speaks of the generality of the design thought, and that according to the terms of reference, the rocket should be exactly what we have as a result! Remember, please, Vanguard is not even close to Iskander, although there is some external similarity! !!
    1. Leon68
      Leon68 28 February 2021 08: 48
      +9
      Do not confuse Vanguard with Dagger.
    2. Fanur Galiev
      Fanur Galiev 28 February 2021 08: 49
      +9
      Avangard is an ICBM warhead. The thing that is hung on the MiG 31 is called "Dagger"
      1. ironic
        ironic 28 February 2021 18: 02
        0
        And even more precisely, the glider is detachable from the warhead.
    3. Thrifty
      Thrifty 28 February 2021 08: 53
      +1
      I'm sorry, not "Vanguard," but "Dagger", my eyelet! !! hi hi
    4. Jacket in stock
      Jacket in stock 28 February 2021 09: 46
      +2
      Quote: Thrifty
      this is not a revised Iskander, but a completely independent development!

      Well then, it's still sadder here.
      To do a separate development with similar characteristics for a series of 10 pieces ??? !!!
      Yes, for this it is not easy to put in jail, it is significant to hang on the central square.
      1. Thrifty
        Thrifty 28 February 2021 11: 05
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        Jacket in stock - they did it just to have a kind of "asymmetric response" in case, you know, during the time of creation they advanced in the development of conventional hypersonic missiles! hi
    5. ironic
      ironic 28 February 2021 18: 04
      -4
      And yet this is a closely related aerobalistic version of tactical BR. He has the same attitude to Hypersound as Iskander.
      1. Volder
        Volder 1 March 2021 14: 28
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        Quote: ironic
        And yet this is a closely related aerobalistic version of tactical BR. He has the same attitude to Hypersound as Iskander.
        If the "Dagger" is gaining hypersonic speed during flight, then this rocket is directly related to hypersound.
        1. ironic
          ironic 1 March 2021 19: 25
          -1
          If this happens in transatmospheric space, then all space technology has long been related to it, but I have never heard in the news that a hypersonic rocket was launched from the cosmodrome, which launched hypersonic satellites into orbit.
          1. Volder
            Volder 1 March 2021 22: 14
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            What does space technology have to do with it? Why does space technology need hypersound?
            1. ironic
              ironic 1 March 2021 22: 50
              -1
              Precisely, she flies in space at the speed of horse-drawn transport.
              1. Volder
                Volder 2 March 2021 14: 25
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                During space exploration, completely different speeds operate - the first, second and third cosmic speeds, which exceed hypersound. The first allows "not to fall" and go into orbit, the second - to get out of the Earth's orbit, the third - to overcome the gravity.
                The first space speed is 28,5 thousand km / h. Hypersonic speed is from 6,18 thousand to 12,3 thousand km / h.
                I will not explain further, study the materiel on your own or enroll in a university.
                1. ironic
                  ironic 2 March 2021 18: 25
                  -1
                  He graduated from two universities and both technical, and the first Soviet and to this also a correspondence university of small soft having received as many as 6 professional certificates. Now explain only one thing, how the well-known information that you cited, which I knew in the Soviet school (long before my first higher education), contradicts what I wrote and why did you write it at all?
                  Who told you that hypersound ends with a speed of 10M? Who told you that an ICBM flying at a speed of 23M and returning to the ground is not a hypersound, but an MRBM and a hypersound?
                  1. Volder
                    Volder April 2 2021 21: 32
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                    Quote: ironic
                    And now explain only one thing, how the well-known information that you cited contradicts what I wrote and why did you write it at all?
                    ICBMs are not launched from the cosmodrome. You spoke about launch vehicles that launch satellites into orbit. These are our "Unions", they relate to space technology. What does hypersound have to do with it? Unclear.
                    Let me explain once again: when it comes to combat missiles flying ONLY in the airspace of the Earth, then they are considered aerodynamics. When it comes to space technology plowing the vastness of the Universe, then there are cosmic speeds. Hypersound is the destiny of aerodynamics!
                    1. ironic
                      ironic April 5 2021 17: 11
                      +1
                      Do they really not start? Is there a lot of difference between Rokot and Stiletto, as well as Sharvit and Jericho-3? They are not at hypersonic speeds passing out of the atmospheric phase of the flight? It’s clear, as it’s clear. If only in dense layers of the atmosphere, then the Dagger is not a hypersonic rocket and the Vanguard, like a glider, actually goes along the upper edge of the atmosphere, which, in fact, cannot be considered atmospheric flight.
                      1. Volder
                        Volder April 12 2021 14: 11
                        0
                        Quote: ironic
                        If only in the dense layers of the atmosphere, then the Dagger is not a hypersonic rocket and the Vanguard, like a glider, actually goes along the upper edge of the atmosphere
                        The flight altitude of the Dagger is 30 km, the flight altitude of the Vanguard is 70-100 km. The Earth's atmosphere ends at an altitude of 100 km. Anything that flies below is considered aerodynamic. If the rocket rises higher, then it is already considered a space rocket, and it flies at cosmic speeds.
                      2. ironic
                        ironic April 12 2021 19: 23
                        -1
                        The Dagger's flight altitude should be higher for the hypersound section. This Mig can climb 30 km. I think it's 50 km away for sure if Iskander reaches 50. And what is the difference between cosmic speeds or not if data on them are provided in M ​​numbers as well. Probably the speed M in the upper layers of the stratosphere is taken as a basis. I did not delve into it on purpose.
  • Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 28 February 2021 09: 36
    0
    Another fortune-telling.
    Assumptions.
    Fantasy.
    Why discuss that? When there is real information, then it will be possible to talk.
    1. dauria
      dauria 28 February 2021 13: 06
      0
      When there is real information, then it will be possible to talk.


      You can talk for 15 years of strict ... If you really know something. laughing
      So eat what you give. This is not a restaurant for you.
  • Phoenix
    Phoenix 28 February 2021 11: 11
    0
    Fortune telling ...
  • iouris
    iouris 28 February 2021 13: 17
    0
    I am generating a name for a new line of products: "Bormoglot".
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 28 February 2021 15: 40
    -4
    And let's not give stupid advice, but leave it to be decided by specific specialists who work in this area. And talk on VO, for God's sake, as much as you like. Or I'm wrong?
  • Arkon
    Arkon 28 February 2021 16: 21
    +3
    Usually, airborne hypersonic weapons are associated with US developments: we are not talking about the aeroballistic Dagger now, for a number of reasons this is a separate topic. Among them, for example, a promising missile with a guided warhead AGM-183A


    It is strange that the author associates hypersonic weapons "usually" with a country that has not produced a single workable prototype. It is even more strange that the author "now" does not say anything about the "aeroballistic" Dagger in service, although the AGM-183A is quite ready to speculate about the same "aeroballistic" but unworkable AGM-XNUMXA.

    Strange ...
    1. Nestor Vlakhovski
      Nestor Vlakhovski 1 March 2021 17: 32
      -1
      hypersonic weapons are "usually" associated with a country that has not produced a single workable prototype
      There are only two hypersonic flying machines in the world that have proven their existence by anything other than the statements of officials:
      American X-43
      American X-51.

      That's all, there is simply no evidence of the existence of other hypersonic flying vehicles capable of maintaining hypersonic speed.
      "Dagger" is an ordinary single-stage aeroballistic rocket, is a development of the V-2 concept (this Reich wunderwaffe, by the way, was also hypersonic). The AGM-183 has an important difference in the form of a detachable planning warhead; it is much more correct to compare this missile with the Avangard, even despite the significant difference in weight.
      1. Arkon
        Arkon 1 March 2021 19: 28
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        Quote: Nestor Vlahovski
        That's all, there is simply no evidence of the existence of other hypersonic flying vehicles capable of maintaining hypersonic speed.


        The speed of the Zircon 8M, as well as the aerodynamic trajectory, is confirmed by Western observation systems.
        1. ironic
          ironic 1 March 2021 19: 46
          0
          Yeah, at the top of the trojectory, he has approximately this speed, i.e. as with all post-release devices. The anti-aircraft C-200, therefore, is also hypersonic, and then it is ...
          1. Arkon
            Arkon 2 March 2021 07: 19
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            Quote: ironic
            Yeah, at the top of the trojectory, he has about this speed,


            8m is the average speed.
            1. ironic
              ironic 2 March 2021 18: 41
              0
              This has already been calculated even here on VO and found out that this is far from the case. There the average was even below 5.
        2. Nestor Vlakhovski
          Nestor Vlakhovski 1 March 2021 20: 17
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          Zircon speed 8M
          At what altitude? In near space, the huge ISS rushes at a speed of 7600 m / s, and on the ground, tank BOPSs accelerate to Mach 6.
          aerodynamic trajectory confirmed by Western surveillance systems.
          What are the Western observations? Publications like The National Interest or The Drive?
          You are asked to provide at least some evidence, and not the slogans of journalists, officials or Western generals, who have in their minds "give money to fight ...". On what basis do you make statements about Russia's leadership in the development of hypersound?
          1. Arkon
            Arkon 2 March 2021 07: 22
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            Quote: Nestor Vlahovski
            At what altitude? In near space, the huge ISS rushes at a speed of 7600 m / s, and on the ground, tank BOPSs accelerate to Mach 6.


            8M is the average trajectory speed based on the speed of sound at the Earth's surface.
            1. Nestor Vlakhovski
              Nestor Vlakhovski 2 March 2021 08: 26
              0
              8M is a spherical horse taken from nowhere and on the basis of what.
              I repeat once again, I never took the officials' word for it, and I do not advise you, because lies are the basis of their profession.
              1. Arkon
                Arkon 2 March 2021 15: 51
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                Quote: Nestor Vlahovski
                8M is a spherical horse taken from nowhere and on the basis of what.


                Well, it’s not clear from where. From observations of Western intelligence services. CNBC says it directly.
                However, of course, I cannot provide you with evidence. I'm afraid I won't even be able to prove to you the reality of the Crimean bridge. Alas...
                1. ironic
                  ironic 2 March 2021 18: 44
                  0
                  Nobody said that, don't make it up. Western intelligence did not observe anything of the kind.

                  But about the Crimean bridge, adequate people said that it would be built and would stand until the coming. For example, I said this from the very beginning of its design.
            2. ironic
              ironic 2 March 2021 18: 42
              0
              This is obviously not the case.
      2. ironic
        ironic 1 March 2021 19: 45
        0
        Plusanul, because in the case. And on the American head, we'll also see how fast it will descend through the atmosphere and where it will hit.
    2. ironic
      ironic 1 March 2021 19: 42
      0
      Why talk then? Both are aerobalistic, but maybe the American woman will at least lower the warhead on hypersound. And if not, then she is just something that has already been updated.
  • ironic
    ironic 28 February 2021 18: 01
    -4
    It is clear that nothing is clear. Everything is hypersonic now. It looks like the articles are hypersonic, yes, and everything else, well, maybe except for the Vanguard, which is actually a glider, it is not clear what is more hypersonic than hypersonic articles.
    1. Arkon
      Arkon 28 February 2021 20: 14
      -1
      Quote: ironic
      well, maybe except for the Vanguard, which is actually a glider,


      What don't you like about hypersonic? It's just a fact. Well, there used to be "supersonic", now "hypersound". What makes you so upset?
      1. ironic
        ironic 28 February 2021 22: 23
        -3
        Lack of fact. Not a single hypersonic solution that would not have existed until now. Even the hypersonic glider existed and exists in a non-strategic form. And everything else is just BR. I want to see at least one hypersonic combat solution.
        1. Arkon
          Arkon 1 March 2021 08: 07
          +2
          Quote: ironic
          Not a single hypersonic solution that would not have existed until now.


          And what, has there ever been a hypersonic missile in the dimensions of a "Zircon"? With us or with the enemy? Not "aeroballistic" at all, since you question the novelty of this particular solution?
          Has the enemy already learned how to make warheads for ballistic missiles, guided along the entire flight path with the accuracy of a cruise missile? Was it already "somewhere"?
          1. Sancho_SP
            Sancho_SP 1 March 2021 10: 40
            0
            Do you know at least the principle of operation of the guidance system of this zircon?
            1. Arkon
              Arkon 1 March 2021 13: 27
              0
              I don’t know, of course. However, back in 2019, Putin said that a control signal passes to Avangard when it is in a plasma cloud. If the problem of receiving control commands is solved, then this solution is simply replicated.
              And on Zircon the same thing, I think.
              1. ironic
                ironic 1 March 2021 19: 48
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                So his control signal goes all over Russia, but the problem of corruption has not been solved ... lol
              2. Sancho_SP
                Sancho_SP 1 March 2021 23: 40
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                Politicians' statements cost little. But how interesting the specifics would be.

                Where to get the same commands at a distance of 500 km? In fact, only GLONASS.
                1. Arkon
                  Arkon 2 March 2021 07: 32
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                  Quote: Sancho_SP
                  Where to get the same commands at a distance of 500 km?


                  Yes, in principle, everything is clear. If there are target coordinates at the time of launch, then the missile can receive further control points by itself - it all depends on two points:
                  1.speed - so that the target does not go beyond the range and sector of the seeker when the rocket arrives at the coordinates
                  2. the very possibility of aiming while flying at ultra-high speed.

                  All. This seeker and its range are the secret.
                  1. Sancho_SP
                    Sancho_SP 2 March 2021 11: 03
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                    And where does the signal pass to the rocket? She should see the goal in some way, but that it is provided and how exactly the silence.
                    1. Arkon
                      Arkon 2 March 2021 15: 40
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                      Quote: Sancho_SP
                      And where does the signal pass to the rocket?


                      And how will the rocket get control? Not through a signal? Any location is the emission and reception of a signal.
                      1. Sancho_SP
                        Sancho_SP 2 March 2021 22: 59
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                        Yes, that question is where. When driving at a speed of several thousand kilometers per hour, the plasma cloud is formed just ahead.

                        In principle, it is really possible to receive a signal from the satellite to the rear hemisphere, but the work of the GOS ... you yourself understand this
          2. ironic
            ironic 1 March 2021 19: 34
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            And we already know what the Circus is and what it is eaten with? At least at the general education level? I haven’t seen it anywhere yet.

            As for the second, I know where it was already, in cartoons. And in reality, no one has yet learned to control gliders, like the CR at hypersonic speeds in the atmosphere. Otherwise, the W76-1 would not be considered the most accurate warhead, and the glider would not need a two-megaton head, when it has already been scientifically proven that the most productive range of strategic nuclear weapons power is considered to be 100-300 Kt, which is today the most widespread weapon of all strategic nuclear forces in the world. including the Russian Federation itself.
            1. Arkon
              Arkon 1 March 2021 19: 36
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              Quote: ironic
              And we already know what the Circus is and what it is eaten with? At least at the general education level? I haven’t seen it anywhere yet.


              And you won't. Military secret, you know. Top secret. In the meantime, I recommend to believe the likely enemy. He already knows for sure:
              https://yandex.ru/turbo/ura.news/s/news/1052364642 wink
              1. ironic
                ironic 1 March 2021 19: 52
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                So the general educational level of a military secret cannot be, by definition. So what if the rocket flew steadily to the end of its path? Well, yes, she reached this speed in the extra-atmospheric section. And what does that say about her? Yes, no more than about the Dagger. request
        2. tikhonov66
          tikhonov66 1 March 2021 13: 51
          +2
          "... I want to see at least one hypersonic combat solution
          ..."
          - eeee ... Seems to me, sho "to see" something "hypersonic" - at least - you just WON'T PROCEED ...
          - So - keep WANTING.
          8-))
          1. ironic
            ironic 1 March 2021 19: 38
            0
            A demonstration videos, if any. wink Or dive into the water and eventually get enough, like the one with a perpetual nuclear motion ... lol
  • Old26
    Old26 28 February 2021 19: 26
    +4
    Quote: Thrifty
    Jacket in stock - they did it just to have a kind of "asymmetric response" in case, you know, during the time of creation they advanced in the development of conventional hypersonic missiles! hi

    Actually, "Iskander" and "Dagger" are products of the same design bureau. There is a difference, but "why pay more." when you can use a ready-made operating time
    1. Sancho_SP
      Sancho_SP 1 March 2021 10: 34
      0
      Is it really cheaper to hang it under the MiG-31 than to wind it on your own first stage?
      1. Nestor Vlakhovski
        Nestor Vlakhovski 1 March 2021 17: 40
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        What should be the first stage in order to increase the range by about 3000 kilometers?
        1. Sancho_SP
          Sancho_SP 1 March 2021 23: 42
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          How did you find out about 3000 km? It is the combat radius of the thirty-first that is noticeably smaller.
          1. Nestor Vlakhovski
            Nestor Vlakhovski 2 March 2021 08: 22
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            The declared combat radius of the MiG-31 in the area of ​​2500 km, probably another 500 km will give a boost from an air launch.
            1. Sancho_SP
              Sancho_SP 2 March 2021 11: 08
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              This is the declared practical flight range. That is, the length of the entire round trip route. It is the combat radius, as you say, with less than a thousand, because they do not fly along ideal straight lines.

              https://migavia.ru/index.php/ru/produktsiya/istrebitel-mig-31e

              For example, the most official source)
              1. Nestor Vlakhovski
                Nestor Vlakhovski 2 March 2021 13: 16
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                Indeed, you are right.
                Something I gave a blunder with my misunderstood data. I did not recheck because I thought that such a huge machine should fly twice as far as the Su27. As a result, he himself was mistaken, and he tried to misinform you.
                1. Sancho_SP
                  Sancho_SP 2 March 2021 13: 57
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                  Yes, that's okay. I am more curious, why fence a garden in a moment, if the first step will raise it to about the same heights and speeds. At the same time, Iskander's ground position is somehow more secure than the airfield.
      2. nobody75
        nobody75 10 May 2021 21: 24
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        And the nozzles of the first and second stages of a solid-propellant rocket do not differ? And the geometry of the engines? And how do you let the "frog" along the border of the dense layer of the atmosphere with the first stage? Are these questions - hints for "general education" enough?
        Sincerely
  • Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 1 March 2021 10: 33
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    An increase in speed requires an increase in engine power, and the cost of a guidance system for hypersonic conditions is clearly more expensive than the "usual" one.

    As a consequence, these things will be much more expensive anyway. And it smells like VAT XNUMX%)
  • Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 2 March 2021 10: 06
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    Why would a missile system with a range of at least hundreds of kilometers need an unobtrusive aircraft? He just doesn't come close to return fire.
    1. Sancho_SP
      Sancho_SP 2 March 2021 11: 09
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      How do you know that in this area there will be no stealthy enemy aircraft to patrol the threatening direction?
      1. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 2 March 2021 12: 30
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        In theory, the launch should be from the depths of its territory, under the cover of a more or less covered area, or at least monitored by its own radar. And if the launch area is not cleared of enemy vehicles and is not controlled, then the point is to drive equipment to slaughter?
        The dagger has a launch range of 2000 km. It is possible not to enter the area where enemy aircraft are bogging.
        1. Sancho_SP
          Sancho_SP 2 March 2021 13: 51
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          Well, Iskander himself flies with a ground launcher + - the same way. Why not drive her to the shore?

          I am not saying that a dagger is useless, I am saying that in the presence of ground Iskanders it is not not rational.
          1. Herman 4223
            Herman 4223 2 March 2021 15: 05
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            Iskander flies five times closer. But this is also far away
            1. Sancho_SP
              Sancho_SP 2 March 2021 22: 57
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              Is it at five? Iskander's range is officially limited by SNV.
              1. Herman 4223
                Herman 4223 3 March 2021 06: 52
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                Up to 500 km maximum. These are the announced figures.
              2. Herman 4223
                Herman 4223 3 March 2021 07: 10
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                Moreover, a range of 500 km is achieved by a cruise missile. A ballistic rocket, one that develops high speed, has a shorter range. Somewhere earlier figures came across 300 km.
          2. nobody75
            nobody75 10 May 2021 21: 33
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            And how much fuel does Iskander spend on overcoming the dense slabs of the atmosphere? And what did Zander write about this?
            Sincerely
  • lopvlad
    lopvlad 20 May 2021 21: 13
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    How can Russia answer?


    what kind of answer are we talking about if in Russia hypersonic weapons have been in service for several years and the United States has not been able to launch the AGM-183A model stably.