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SAO 2S43 "Malva" goes for testing

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First published image of SAO 2S43. The XNUMXD model differs markedly from the real prototype


Currently, the Central Research Institute "Burevestnik" (part of the NPK "Uralvagonzavod") and a number of related organizations are engaged in development work with the code "Sketch". Its goal is to create a number of promising self-propelled artillery guns with different features, characteristics and capabilities. One of these samples is CAO 2S43 "Malva". As it became known, by now it could go to preliminary tests.

Test stages


First news about the tests of Malva JSC appeared at the end of July last year. Then the leadership of the Central Research Institute "Burevestnik" said that a number of promising self-propelled artillery models are in the final stages of testing, including product 2C43. However, no details were given.

Izvestia published new messages about testing Malva on January 11th. With reference to sources in the Ministry of Defense, it is argued that at the end of 2020, a test schedule for the promising CAO was prepared and approved. This document defined the list of activities for the end of 2020 and beyond.

In accordance with the schedule, by the end of 2020, the development organization was supposed to conduct sea trials and test firing of a prototype. Apparently, we are talking about factory tests. After these measures, it was required to finalize the design and correct the identified shortcomings.

In the spring or summer of this year, a new stage of testing starts. The modified prototype will be handed over to the Ministry of Defense, which will conduct all the necessary checks. The timing of these tests remains unknown.


Experienced "Malva" in profile

Apparently, not too much time is allocated for testing and fine-tuning the structure. For example, in October last year, in an interview with Rossiyskaya Gazeta, the commander-in-chief of the ground forces, General of the Army Oleg Salyukov, revealed the general plans for the Sketch development project. This work will be completed in 2022. At the same time, purchases of the first samples of promising technology are expected. It follows from this that all stages of the tests "Malva" should pass this and next year, but no more.

Unclassified sample


The launch of the ROC "Sketch" and the development of a number of promising CAOs became known a few years ago. Data on a number of new projects were disclosed fairly quickly - but not on Malva. The first detailed data on the 2S43 product appeared only in the fall of 2019, at the same time a three-dimensional image of the self-propelled gun was published.

By the time such messages appeared, the Burevestnik Central Research Institute had completed the design and started assembling the prototype. So, back in August 2019, the institute received a chassis from the Bryansk Automobile Plant for mounting an artillery system. The main characteristics of the gun and chassis also became known.

The first official photo of Malva Insurance Company was published in July 2020. At the same time, it was announced that the experimental vehicle would become an exhibit of the future Army-2020 exhibition. The self-propelled gun was indeed delivered to the forum, but it was demonstrated in the closed part of the exposition. Only a stand with general information about the project was present at the public site. In addition, the developer distributed a flyer with basic data and a couple of new photos.

Technical features


According to official information, CAO 2S43 "Malva" is intended to destroy tactical nuclear and conventional weapons of the enemy, to strike at artillery batteries, military convoys, air defense systems, command posts, etc. In general, in terms of its functions and tasks, the new self-propelled gun does not differ from the models already in service with the missile forces and artillery.


Flyer from the developer institute

The major differences lie in the architecture of this CAO. The combat vehicle is built on the basis of the four-axle all-wheel drive chassis BAZ-6010-027 and is equipped with an open artillery unit. This combination of units provides a special ratio of combat weight, mobility, mobility, firepower and cost of operation.

The base chassis is equipped with an armored cabin to accommodate the crew on the march. Smoke grenade launchers are installed on the roof of the cockpit. Probably, the CAO will also receive small arms for self-defense. The cargo platform is given for the placement of various units and stowages, and an artillery unit is installed in the stern.

The "Malva" uses a 152-mm rifled howitzer 2A64, borrowed from the ACS 2S19 "Msta-S". The gun has a 47-clb barrel with a three-chamber muzzle brake, an ejector and advanced recoil devices. It is mounted on a new machine with the possibility of horizontal guidance within 30 ° to the right and left of the axis and with vertical guidance from -3 ° to + 70 °. Apparently, automated drives controlled by the OMS are used. There is a folding coulter under the machine with two base plates.

The 2S43 ammunition load includes 30 rounds of separate-case loading and is transported in boxes on the platform. The transfer of shells and casings to the breech is carried out manually by calculation forces. The rate of fire is declared at 7 rds / min. Perhaps some means of mechanization are used to increase it. The maximum firing range of a conventional projectile is 24,5 km.

SAO "Malva" in the stowed position has a length of 13 m and a total weight of 32 tons. For comparison, the ACS 2S19 is 10 tons heavier. Provides high speed on the highway and the ability to move over rough terrain. Calculation of the gun - 5 people.


Lighter and faster


The self-propelled gun 2S43 "Malva" is considered as a means of expanding the combat capabilities for the divisional artillery of the ground forces. First of all, it should complement the ACS 2S19 "Msta-S", with which it is unified in armament.

The main innovation of the Malva project is the use of a wheeled chassis, which has obvious advantages over tracked chassis. Thus, with the same armament and combat capabilities, the 2S43 product is much lighter and more mobile than the 2S19 self-propelled gun, and also cheaper to operate. However, "Msta-S" compares favorably with "Malva" in better protection of the crew and a simpler process of deployment in position.

Foreign experience shows that wheeled ACS / SAO have a right to exist and are able to fully realize their advantages over other equipment. They are not considered as a substitute for traditional self-propelled guns, but are designed to complement them and solve some of the combat missions.

Competent organization of combat work and combat use makes it possible to combine tracked and wheeled vehicles into a flexible system capable of quickly and efficiently responding to all major challenges. At the same time, operational and economic benefits are achieved.

The self-propelled gun "Malva" has yet to confirm the calculated tactical, technical and operational characteristics, as well as compliance with the customer's requirements. Some of the tests should have been carried out last year, and the prototype will undergo new tests in the coming months. This means that the CAO 2S43 "Malva" is approaching a possible start of production and acceptance into service. Accordingly, in the near future, new reports on the progress of the project and the successes achieved should be expected.
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  2. Ros 56
    Ros 56 13 January 2021 18: 13
    +1
    Again, yesterday only admired and evaluated her?
    1. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 13 January 2021 18: 16
      +1
      Quote: Ros 56
      Again, yesterday only admired and evaluated her?

      More details here. This yesterday was superfluous.
  3. V1er
    V1er 13 January 2021 18: 15
    +12

    Artillery complex A-222 "Bereg" caliber 130 mm. We are waiting for an analogue with a tower from 2S35 Coalition-SV. Coalition-SV is a Russian 152-mm inter-service artillery system based on the T-90 tank with a maximum firing range of up to 80 km, a maximum ammunition load of up to 70 rounds and a rate of fire of up to 16 rounds per minute.
    1. businessv
      businessv 13 January 2021 21: 26
      +9
      Quote: V1er
      an interspecific artillery system based on the T-90 tank with a maximum firing range of up to 80 km, a maximum transportable ammunition capacity of up to 70 rounds and a rate of fire of up to 16 rounds per minute.
      Here, in my inexperienced opinion of the man in the street, described in the article and absolutely promising "Malva", in comparison with the complex you cited in your post, nervously smokes in the corridor! Why produce CAO with deliberately inferior characteristics against existing ones, with high ones? request
      1. V1er
        V1er 14 January 2021 03: 31
        +3
        Here I am about the same. The chassis can be found suitable, it looks unreliable from Kamaz.
  4. Constanty
    Constanty 13 January 2021 18: 35
    +5
    I got the impression that the 2S35-1 "COALITSIA-SV-KSH", though heavier, but more promising,

    maybe Malka will be exported?
    1. svp67
      svp67 13 January 2021 18: 47
      +1
      Quote: Constanty
      I got the impression that the 2S35-1 "COALITSIA-SV-KSH", though heavier, but more promising,

      I wonder what? Here, the BSh from KamAZ itself raises a lot of doubts, in terms of the rigidity of the frame, will it withstand all those loads, especially dynamic ones, when shooting, which will be on it?
      And its cabin is not protected ... The Malva still has more chances to be successful, at least from the "base chassis"
      1. Constanty
        Constanty 13 January 2021 19: 00
        +1
        The firing range, the rate of fire, the smaller crew, automation, the rate of withdrawal to the combat and marching position ...

        She passed the test
        1. Konnick
          Konnick 14 January 2021 03: 14
          +5
          .
          However, the "Msta-S" compares favorably with the "Malva" in better protection of the crew and a simpler process of deployment to the position

          Same range, same crew, high speed of withdrawal to combat and marching positions. It's just that Msta is more expensive and in order not to be left without orders, they decided to make the ersatz cheaper, having painted all this with beautiful words. There is a redistribution of the defense budget and a reorientation from the traditional types of weapons of the ground forces towards the armament of the Aerospace Forces as troops of a more rapid response, for the deployment of which you do not need to rush along the roads or drive platforms with equipment. They are trying to prove the possibility of faster movement to positions and, accordingly, load production with such samples, spending our budget money on weapons of unknown purpose, 7 rounds per minute, and this is not enough for, for example, counter-battery combat. So-so installation, against the barmaley, but not against a serious adversary, who, being armed with the latest detection means, will instantly destroy an artillery mount that approaches the target at the range of its shot.
          1. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 22 March 2021 11: 59
            0
            Quote: Konnick
            .
            However, the "Msta-S" compares favorably with the "Malva" in better protection of the crew and a simpler process of deployment to the position

            Same range, same crew, high speed of withdrawal to combat and marching positions. It's just that Msta is more expensive and in order not to be left without orders, they decided to make the ersatz cheaper, having painted all this with beautiful words. There is a redistribution of the defense budget and a reorientation from the traditional types of weapons of the ground forces towards the armament of the Aerospace Forces as troops of a more rapid response, for the deployment of which you do not need to rush along the roads or drive platforms with equipment. They are trying to prove the possibility of faster movement to positions and, accordingly, load production with such samples, spending our budget money on weapons of unknown purpose, 7 rounds per minute, and this is not enough for, for example, counter-battery combat. So-so installation, against the barmaley, but not against a serious adversary, who, being armed with the latest detection means, will instantly destroy an artillery mount that approaches the target at the range of its shot.

            7 rounds per minute? With manual loading? Well, I doubt it.
            1. moody
              moody 27 May 2021 00: 34
              0
              7 rounds per minute? With manual loading? Well, I doubt it.


              Maybe here we mean a kind of "semi-mechanization", that is, several shots are manually placed in a "tray" from which they can also be loaded manually, but quickly. There was a funny Indian video, although three shells were loaded with a crane at once, and the charges were fed manually. The number of shots in the "tray" is determined based on the likely rate of return fire.
              And then the crew can only run to the cockpit to get away from the enemy's response. Those. there is no question of ensuring the consumption of the entire ammo with a similar rate of fire.
        2. Togilen
          Togilen 14 January 2021 10: 50
          +1
          What tests? Shooting from the spot? A stability test while driving. I'll tell you a secret, under the Rostec lobby, the troops that did not pass full tests of KAMAZ-65225 and 6560 went to the troops.
          The result is a mass of broken equipment. One example. There is a superposition of many factors - the inexperience of the driver (a question for the preparation of the latter), and the high center of gravity of the 65225 tractor.
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ToDOd0WzQg

          The carapace on chassis 6560 overturned due to a collision with a pothole on the track, as a result of which the spring earring burst and the result was a somersault
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XYZwxZ_4Yc
          1. Constanty
            Constanty 14 January 2021 11: 18
            -1
            Are you really saying that CAOs, like the 2S35-1 "COALITSIA-SV-KSH", were used for shooting on the move? No kidding.
            You should also pay attention to the hinged supports.
            1. Togilen
              Togilen 14 January 2021 11: 55
              0
              If you haven't noticed, I drew attention to the driving characteristics of the chassis, which has a high center of gravity, and in the video of the shopping mall, the star was laying a sickly track on a dirt road.
              1. Constanty
                Constanty 14 January 2021 12: 59
                +1
                BSh from KamAZ raises many doubts in terms of frame rigidity, will it withstand all those loads, especially dynamic ones, when shooting, what will be on it?

                Tests showed that the chassis withstood the load when fired.

                Both systems, Malva and the Coalition, were created by Uralvagonzavod and KNII "Burevestnik", so they had access to both chassis. Apparently, BAZ, despite its lower center of gravity, was not suitable for the Coalition, and KamAZ was selected out of necessity.

                It's still a better choice than the Jelcz 6x6 in the case of Poland and Wing, by the way.
                1. Togilen
                  Togilen 14 January 2021 16: 34
                  +2
                  No, this is called the Rostec lobby comrade) The Almaz-Antey card does not hit Chemezov)
      2. CTABEP
        CTABEP 13 January 2021 20: 11
        +2
        Let's start with the fact that the UGN is not 30 degrees, in total there is much less hemorrhoids with re-targeting the battery when changing the target.
      3. bad
        bad 13 January 2021 22: 17
        +14
        Quote: svp67
        And its cabin is not protected ... The Malva still has more chances to be successful, at least from the "base chassis"

        A trial version of the 2S35-1 "COALITSIA-SV-KSH" on the presented chassis BAZ suggests itself.
        1. Togilen
          Togilen 15 January 2021 21: 49
          0
          [The KSh coalition, like the Shell C, was originally supposed to stand on the BAZ chassis. The same Armor on this chassis can open fire on the move, but KAMAZ does not. The question also arises why there is no Armor on the GM chassis in the SV, the Tunguska still cover the armor. Even a couple of them took part in the storming of Grozny. The renewal of the fleet of armored vehicles goes only in the direction of dubious modernization of tanks (except for the 90M), the same "new" BTR-82AT, all "innovations" like anti-splinter lining from the SVM thread, additional booking and electronic equipment were tested back in Afghanistan. BMP-3M is not yet for us, Iraq has better cars. As well as the T-72M1M tanks in terms of DZ on VLD in Algeria than our T-72B3. However, these two tanks have a very mediocre coverage of the turret with DZ elements (in comparison with 80U / UD). In Chechnya, "snipers" managed to hit the turret ring, in the turret under the DZ. There is something to think about. But with the air defense machines of the "leading edge" so far there is relative silence. Pine, Birds, etc. so far only in plans.
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    2. Redfox3k
      Redfox3k 13 January 2021 19: 12
      +2
      Quote: Constanty

      maybe Malka will be exported?

      And "Peony" in the load, so that it does not seem a little.
      1. Constanty
        Constanty 13 January 2021 19: 17
        +6
        In fact, the 2S7 Pion is a weapon that makes a huge impression. One of the copies is in the museum in Drzonov - 10 km from me.
        1. Redfox3k
          Redfox3k 13 January 2021 19: 20
          +3
          Here I am about the same, "Malka" is a modernized "Peony". And "Malva" is not "Malka" laughing
          1. Constanty
            Constanty 13 January 2021 19: 48
            +1
            But of course - my mistake - a typo - Malka is a 2C7M, of course I meant 2C43
  5. svp67
    svp67 13 January 2021 18: 43
    +1
    What is her distance from the muzzle brake to the cockpit? How long is it possible to lengthen the barrel during modernization?
    1. Flooding
      Flooding 13 January 2021 19: 44
      0
      Yes, Malva put her trunk on the cockpit ... And that's all;)
    2. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 14 January 2021 11: 00
      +1
      Modernization is an art system of the Coalition .... I don't understand why it was not originally installed?
  6. Redfox3k
    Redfox3k 13 January 2021 18: 45
    +5
    I wonder what kind of serious enemy will let an ACS battery reach 24,5 km? For such a scenario, it will be necessary to clear the sky within a radius of 300 km so that RQ-4, or RC-135, does not detect the battery on the march.
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 13 January 2021 19: 08
      -1
      Quote: Redfox3k
      For such a scenario, it will be necessary to clear the sky within a radius of 300 km

      and the ground within a radius of 100 km MLRS (Tornado / Tornado-S, Hurricane) with double cover ...
    2. Flooding
      Flooding 13 January 2021 19: 49
      0
      Hang scouts in the sky around the clock?
      Hop 50-60 km in less than an hour.
      Even if the enemy's reconnaissance manages to detect the march, it is far from the fact that it manages to take countermeasures.
    3. lucul
      lucul 13 January 2021 22: 53
      -6
      I wonder what kind of serious enemy will let an ACS battery reach 24,5 km? For such a scenario, it will be necessary to clear the sky within a radius of 300 km so that RQ-4, or RC-135, does not detect the battery on the march.

      Russian air defense will successfully do this.
      1. Vladislav Trofimov
        Vladislav Trofimov 15 January 2021 18: 25
        -3
        Russian air defense will successfully do this.
        how in Karabakh?
        1. lucul
          lucul 15 January 2021 18: 27
          -1
          Russian air defense will successfully do this.
          how in Karabakh?

          Was there a Russian air defense? belay
          1. Vladislav Trofimov
            Vladislav Trofimov 15 January 2021 19: 01
            -1
            Was there a Russian air defense?
            and whose air defense in Armenia and Karabakh ... maybe Armenian?
            never heard of such ...
            1. lucul
              lucul 15 January 2021 19: 04
              0
              Was there a Russian air defense?
              and whose air defense in Armenia and Karabakh ... maybe Armenian?
              never heard of such ...

              Air defense is a tool that you need to know how to use)))
              1. Vladislav Trofimov
                Vladislav Trofimov 15 January 2021 19: 35
                -3
                Air defense is a tool that you need to know how to use

                aha ... crooked Armenians ... Arabs ...
                but it is themselves, the Russian operators, where they distinguished themselves ... or dump everything on the Armenian-Arabs ??
                1. lucul
                  lucul 15 January 2021 19: 45
                  0
                  but it was themselves, the Russian operators, where they distinguished themselves ...

                  Does the Khmeimim base tell you something? )))
                  1. Vladislav Trofimov
                    Vladislav Trofimov 15 January 2021 19: 49
                    -3
                    something serious, attacked the Khmeimim base?
                    and the Israelis are bombing right in the zone of responsibility of the Russian air defense ...
                    and the few complexes that try to shoot down Israeli planes and missiles are usually eliminated by the Israelis.
                    1. lucul
                      lucul 15 January 2021 19: 59
                      0
                      something serious, attacked the Khmeimim base?

                      Google)))
                    2. Jager
                      Jager 19 March 2021 18: 17
                      0
                      Vladislav Trofimenko, you have been discovered, remove the pan.
    4. Revolver
      Revolver 14 January 2021 03: 59
      +1
      With a serious adversary, much more serious means will go into action, and the bearded barmaley will be a nightmare.
  7. Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 13 January 2021 19: 14
    +6
    Gunners, explain why an ejector is needed on an open cannon? To the best of its ability, this is a device for the removal of powder gases, in the context of installing a gun in a tower, casemate, etc.
    As far as I understand, there is a moment of some laziness. Those. stupidly installed the barrel from the MSTA, without any alterations.
    1. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 13 January 2021 19: 49
      +5
      Why is an ejector needed on an open cannon?

      It also surprised me a lot. Apparently, there is already a large stock of barrels with ejectors, and without ejectors, it still needs to be done.
    2. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 13 January 2021 21: 20
      +2
      Quote: Al_lexx
      Gunners, explain why an ejector is needed on an open cannon?

      There was information on the ejector. As I understand it, the installation is experimental, the barrel was taken from what is available.
  8. psiho117
    psiho117 13 January 2021 19: 16
    +12
    Lighter and faster

    Yeah, of course. Even the Soviet Msta-K, work on which was stopped in 87, was also one and a half tons lighter.
    Damn, Swedish "Archer", with the same weight - has a full automatic!
    Comparison with contemporaries does not withstand any competition at all:
    Czech "Dana" - 29,25t (also, by the way, 8x8)
    French CAESAR - 17,7t
    Israeli ATMOS - 22t
    And who needs this manual loading bullshit? What advantage will it provide over a towed howitzer?
    1. storm
      storm 13 January 2021 20: 37
      +3
      A towed howitzer is much more difficult to destroy than this "monster ..."
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 14 January 2021 11: 48
        +2
        Quote: assault
        A towed howitzer is much more difficult to destroy than this "monster ..."

        It is much easier to destroy a towed howitzer due to the longer cooldown time of the towed gun battery.
        You can not hope for smaller sizes and camouflage - the weapon will unmask itself with the first shot. And then there is a race between "a couple of more shots" and the folding at the firing gun and the issuance of data for firing and the opening of fire at the fired side. Due to the shorter folding time, the wheeled ACS can either leave the base faster, or (if there is enough time) to fire one or two additional shots before leaving.
    2. Alex013
      Alex013 13 January 2021 21: 28
      +1
      Czech Zuzana is also not inferior in characteristics ...
      1. psiho117
        psiho117 14 January 2021 01: 32
        +1
        Quote: Alex013
        Czech Zuzana

        This is the "Dana", only with a replacement for the NATO 155mm gun.
    3. lucul
      lucul 13 January 2021 23: 04
      -6
      Damn, Swedish "Archer", with the same weight - has a full automatic!
      Comparison with contemporaries does not withstand any competition at all:
      Czech "Dana" - 29,25t (also, by the way, 8x8)
      - 17,7t
      Israeli ATMOS - 22t

      Have you seen them all visually? ))))
      French CAESAR will not pass anywhere at all, except for paved roads in spring and autumn. I will not say anything about following in a tank convoy. That on Archer, what on ATMOS and others - they just put the gun on the chassis (which was). Without the ability to overcome serious off-road conditions.
      In our country, Malva was made with an emphasis on overcoming full-fledged off-road (no worse than a tracked chassis) - that's why such a heavy and redundant BAZ chassis for this gun.
      1. psiho117
        psiho117 14 January 2021 01: 25
        +1
        Quote: lucul
        Have you seen them all visually?
        ... Without the ability to overcome serious off-road ...
        In our country, Malva was made with an emphasis on overcoming full-fledged off-road (no worse than a tracked chassis) - that's why such a heavy and redundant BAZ chassis for this gun.

        There is no need to invent anything for our Ministry of Defense - they have come up with why they need an SPG on a wheeled chassis.
        The use of such self-propelled artillery installations in an area with a well-developed road network provides significant tactical advantages over tracked self-propelled guns, increasing the speed of movement and significantly accelerating the ability to quickly evade enemy response fire.
        This has nothing to do with that roadless delirium about which you write. bully
        1. lucul
          lucul 14 January 2021 08: 37
          -3
          The use of such self-propelled artillery installations in an area with a well-developed road network gives significant tactical advantages over tracked self-propelled guns.

          Yes ? ))) And outside the territory, with a well-developed road network, then what? )))
          This has nothing to do with that roadless delirium about which you write.

          Based on your logic, this cannon could easily be used on the Kamaz chassis (a la Caesar). But for some reason it was placed on the BAZ chassis. Do you know why? )))
      2. Vladislav Trofimov
        Vladislav Trofimov 15 January 2021 18: 33
        0
        What on Archer, what on ATMOS and others - they just put the gun on the chassis (which was). Without the ability to overcome serious off-road conditions.
        that is, Malva on a Kamaz chassis can, and ATMOS on a Tatra chassis ... French CAESAR, on a Renault chassis, can't it?
        1. lucul
          lucul 15 January 2021 18: 54
          0
          What on Archer, what on ATMOS and others - they just put the gun on the chassis (which was). Without the ability to overcome serious off-road conditions.
          that is, Malva on a Kamaz chassis can, and ATMOS on a Tatra chassis ... French CAESAR, on a Renault chassis, can't it?

          Reread the top couple of posts carefully)))
          1. Vladislav Trofimov
            Vladislav Trofimov 15 January 2021 18: 59
            0
            I answered them ...
            and you just unsubscribed ...
            1. lucul
              lucul 15 January 2021 19: 03
              -2
              I answered them ...
              and you just unsubscribed ...

              Re-read carefully)))
    4. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 14 January 2021 11: 01
      0
      Did you drag the gun with the crew?
  9. garri-lin
    garri-lin 13 January 2021 19: 20
    0
    It is interesting if the Mech ammo rack and AZ from the Coalition can be maximally lightened and reduced by a capacity of 30 rounds. How much will it weigh?
  10. Yuriy71
    Yuriy71 13 January 2021 20: 26
    +6
    I was especially pleased with the rate of fire and the need for the crew to carry the shots by hand! According to all the above characteristics, Malva is a slopping option, suitable, perhaps, for export to African countries! The other options presented in the comments above are clearly tastier!
  11. Yuriy71
    Yuriy71 13 January 2021 20: 29
    +5
    Attach a howitzer to the Urals and you will have an option - EVEN CHEAPER and easier! And also everything MANUALLY)))
    1. sifgame
      sifgame 13 January 2021 21: 23
      0
      Don't you mind BAZ?))
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 14 January 2021 11: 02
        -1
        MSTU and ammunition and crew pulls Mustang 8x8
  12. Serg Murchikola
    Serg Murchikola 13 January 2021 20: 35
    0
    Future "Maldives" to greet the arrival of the stars with salute
  13. storm
    storm 13 January 2021 21: 04
    +5
    With manual separate loading, even when firing at a maximum distance, "Malva" will have time to make only three to four shots before the first shell reaches the enemy.
    After that, the means of its counter-battery fight will take no more than one minute to calculate the flight trajectories of the next projectiles and issue a command for a response VALP of several SPGs - and that's it, there is NO more Malva ..
    1. dementor873
      dementor873 14 January 2021 00: 49
      +3
      So it is still not even in combined arms operation. The same case is with the Su-57, only positive.
  14. Gippo
    Gippo 13 January 2021 21: 14
    +3
    Manual loading, prohibitive weight ....
    The barrel with the ejector generally killed.
    What kind of gadzhubas are you smoking, ynzhiners?
    1. lucul
      lucul 13 January 2021 23: 12
      -8
      What kind of gadzhubas are you smoking, ynzhiners?

      I understand that with you, in the deserts, off-road ability is not the main thing, but with us it is even a priority.)))
    2. Konnick
      Konnick 14 January 2021 03: 25
      0
      Tagil rules drinks drag gadzhubas
      1. agond
        agond 14 January 2021 10: 47
        +1
        It is interesting to observe how our "wheeled" artillery is developing, the obsessive desire of the military to fire from 152mm guns straight from the car is surprising !!!
        what is only the wheeled coalition worth, it is not clear where such designers create such rare designs come from, any engineer knows that the recoil impulse of the shot of such weapons is very large and therefore in no way should interact with the mass of the car, that is, the weapon must be removed from the car before firing put it on the ground and only then shoot., if only for example, they looked at how the bunker loader MKS-3501 two-axle MAZ-5551A2 works., carrying capacity, 8.6 t, for transporting garbage
        1. Konnick
          Konnick 14 January 2021 12: 06
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          They simply extend like outriggers like on truck cranes and the recoil is not transmitted to the chassis. But this is extra time. On the Msta platform using the T90, you do not need to push anything.
          Under the machine there is a folding coulter with two base plates

          But the primitive system of this gun mount assumes the orientation of the chassis in the direction of the shot.
        2. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 14 January 2021 12: 09
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          Quote: agond
          It is interesting to observe how our "wheeled" artillery is developing, the obsessive desire of the military to fire from 152mm guns straight from the car is surprising !!!
          what is only the wheeled coalition worth, it is not clear where such designers create such rare designs come from, any engineer knows that the recoil momentum of such weapons is very large and therefore in no way should interact with the mass of the car, that is, before firing, the weapon must be removed from the car, put him on the ground and only then shoot

          Look at the photo of the Mallow from the back. See the two ribbed plates under the breech of the gun? It seems to me that before firing, the rear of the ACS is hung out, and the recoil momentum goes to these base plates, and not to the wheels.
          In the early version of the ACS, instead of separate base plates, there was a single support pallet.
          1. agond
            agond 14 January 2021 22: 04
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            Quote: Alexey RA
            Look at the photo of the Mallow from the back. See the two ribbed plates under the breech of the gun? It seems to me that before firing, the rear of the ACS is hung out, and the recoil momentum goes to these base plates, and not to the wheels.
            In the early version of the ACS, instead of separate base plates, there was a single support pallet.

            Yes, of course, the base plate (more correctly the opener by analogy with a conventional cannon) descends and rests against the ground (possibly deepening), it cannot be otherwise, but look at what height the gun barrel is from the ground, this is about two meters, naturally there is a shoulder of the moment rotation, and it is not very weak, I suspect the whole car shakes when firing, then it may then not start. It is not an order of magnitude easier to screw the cannon to a slab like a mortar and transport it on a bunker truck of the MAZ-5551A2 type. all the more, its carrying capacity allows., and then now they shoot from howitzers with an elevation angle of 30-45 * and the gun will not need a too long plate
  15. CastroRuiz
    CastroRuiz 15 January 2021 15: 47
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    Quote: Alex013
    Czech Zuzana is also not inferior in characteristics ...

    Slovackaya, ne cheskaya.
  16. CastroRuiz
    CastroRuiz 15 January 2021 15: 48
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    Quote: psiho117
    Quote: Alex013
    Czech Zuzana

    This is the "Dana", only with a replacement for the NATO 155mm gun.

    A net.
  17. avdkrd
    avdkrd 27 February 2021 23: 09
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    Can't understand the advantages of this new item, in comparison with the Czech Dana, developed in 1976?
    1. agond
      agond 28 March 2021 12: 20
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      The Czech self-propelled guns have a shorter barrel and therefore the throwing speed is lower.
  18. toha124
    toha124 28 March 2021 23: 10
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    But for me, this is just a competent approach to increasing the export potential of the military-industrial complex. The state defense order will not be as big as before for many years. And the enterprises of the military-industrial complex must be preserved. At the same time, civil orders will not save the father of Russian democracy. Both due to their insufficient volume, and due to the fact that not all competencies can be preserved in this way. So export. And experience shows that samples that are not really in service with their army are not particularly needed by anyone over the hill. The product is suspicious, but the denyuzhek is just barely enough. So, I think we will see quite a few of these machines. Scheme: to create something really competitive, but much cheaper than the classics; conduct military tests; finish; without a pomp (this is important) to adopt; put in the troops on a limited basis (in units with narrow or local tasks); sell to regional powers in marketable quantities for babos (sometimes give the Papuans for all sorts of nishtyaks).