Military Review

MIC. Results of 2020

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The military-industrial complex of Russia remains one of the most competitive in the Russian economy, having retained a good start in a number of areas since the days of the USSR. Russian military equipment and weapons (especially aircraft and air defense systems) are still in great demand in the world. And in the military-industrial complex itself, about two million people work within the country.

In recent years, the large-scale program of rearmament of the GPV-2020 army has been of great help to the Russian military-industrial complex, for which a total of about 23 trillion rubles has been allocated.

Large-scale army rearmament program completed in Russia


2020 is the last year of a large-scale and very ambitious army rearmament program.

For 2010, the share of modern weapons and military equipment in the troops was quite modest. If in the strategic nuclear forces this figure was about 20 percent, then for combined arms and general-purpose forces it was at the level of 10-15 percent.

In the armies of leading foreign countries during the same period, the share of new military equipment ranged from 30 to 50 percent.

By 2020, within the framework of the State Arms Program 2011–2020, the rate of equipping the Russian armed forces with new equipment had to be increased to 70 percent. These targets make it possible to call GPV-2020 an unprecedented program of rearmament of the army throughout the post-Soviet stories our country.

The result of the program, which could have spent about 23 trillion rubles in total, was the achievement of the set targets. This made GPV 2020 one of the few fully implemented state programs in recent years.

By the end of 2020, the share of modern weapons, military and special equipment in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation has indeed been brought to 70 percent. By this indicator, we bypass many armies of the world.

At the same time, the process of acquiring modern systems and weapons will continue. The achieved indicators are planned to be maintained and improved in the future.

During the implementation of the program, the Russian armed forces received: 109 Yars ICBMs, 4 strategic nuclear submarines of the Borei project and 108 new ballistic missiles for submarines, 161 surface ships, 17 modern anti-ship missile systems Bastion and Ball ”, more than a thousand modern combat aircraft and helicopters, as well as more than 3,5 thousand units of various modern armored vehicles.


At the same time, the best indicators were achieved in the Strategic Missile Forces, where, according to data for 2020, the share of modern weapons reached 83 percent. And by 2024, the share of modern missile systems is planned to be increased to 100 percent.

According to the commander of the Strategic Missile Forces, Colonel-General Sergei Karakaev, after that the Strategic Missile Forces will step over the line in which the outdated missile systems produced in the USSR will not remain in the combat composition of the troops.

In the Aerospace Forces, at the beginning of 2020, the level of modern weapons reached 75 percent, in the Navy and Airborne Forces - exceeded 63 percent, in the ground forces - 50 percent. The level of equipping troops with modern command and control facilities has reached 67 percent.

All these indicators are planned to be improved. By the end of 2024, the level of equipment of the army and fleet modern weapons are planned to be increased to 75,9%.

Strategic nuclear forces


In 2020, as part of the Strategic Missile Forces, more than 95% of launchers were kept in a state of constant combat readiness.

According to the military department, in 2020, the troops were to receive three missile regiments re-equipped with new Yars mobile missile systems. In an interview with TASS, the commander of the Strategic Missile Forces Sergei Karakaev spoke about the delivery of 22 new launchers with Yars ballistic missiles, as well as the Avangard hypersonic unit, to the troops.

The process of re-equipping the first regiment in the Strategic Missile Forces with one of the most modern Russian military developments of recent times was continued in 2020.

The Avangard missile system with hypersonic gliding winged units consists of a launch vehicle and the hypersonic winged unit itself. The speed of this unit can reach Mach 28 (approximately corresponds to the speed of 7,5 km / s), which makes it invulnerable to the missile defense systems of a potential enemy.


Launcher of the RS-24 Yars complex. Photo: Vitaly V. Kuzmin, vitalykuzmin.net

Also, the composition of the Russian nuclear triad in 2020 was replenished with at least five modernized Tu-95MSM strategic missile-carrying bombers.

In the course of a large-scale modernization for a new armament complex with the installation of a new avionics, updated engines and blades, flight and navigation equipment and communication systems, the combat capabilities of the aircraft were approximately doubled.

The first strategic nuclear submarine according to the updated project 955A Borey-A was added to the naval nuclear triad. The submarine "Prince Vladimir" was included in the fleet on June 12, 2020. The modernized submarine differs from the three submarines of the project 955 "Borey" already in service with improved noise, maneuverability, control weapons and retention at depth.

VKS Russia


In total, the Russian Aerospace Forces were to be replenished with 2020 new and modernized aircraft by the end of 106. Including military pilots received more than 20 highly maneuverable multi-functional fighters of the 4 ++ generation Su-35S and about the same number of Su-30SM fighters.

In addition, supplies to the troops of Su-34 fighter-bombers, Mi-28N, Mi-35M and Ka-52 attack helicopters continued. Also, more than 150 units of various air defense equipment were transferred to the Aerospace Forces, including four new regimental sets of the S-400 Triumph anti-aircraft missile system and 24 Pantsir-S self-propelled anti-aircraft missile and cannon systems (six divisional sets).

At the end of 2020, the Russian Aerospace Forces received the first serial Russian fifth-generation fighter, the Su-57.

According to RIA agency News, the first serial combat aircraft of the next generation is currently located at the Valery Chkalov State Flight Test Center in Akhtubinsk, located in the Astrakhan region.

According to the information agency, the first serial Su-57 will enter service with one of the aviation regiments of the Southern Military District.

According to the current contracts, the Russian Aerospace Forces should receive a total of 2024 fifth-generation fighters by the end of 22, and in total, by 2028, the number of serial Su-57s in the army is planned to be increased to 76 aircraft. Earlier, these plans were announced by Russian President Vladimir Putin.


Attack helicopter Mi-28N "Night Hunter".

In the coming years, the Russian military-industrial complex will be loaded with deliveries of military aircraft and helicopters, including the Ka-52 attack aircraft.

Earlier, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation planned to conclude a contract for the supply of more than 2027 Ka-100 Alligator helicopters to the troops by 52.

In parallel with this, the Russian Helicopters holding company is developing an improved version of this combat vehicle, which will be designated the Ka-52M.

It is planned to complete work on the upgraded helicopter in 2022.

Ground Forces and Airborne Forces


The ground forces of Russia received from the military-industrial complex in 2020 more than 3,5 thousand new and modernized models of military equipment, including 220 tanks and more than 1,5 thousand different cars. This is reported by the newspaper "Gazeta.ru".

The supply of modernized T-72B3M tanks (modernization in 2016) continues to the troops. In 2020, the industry handed over to the military more than 100 such vehicles. They are distinguished by new-generation modular ERA systems and a powerful diesel engine developing 1130 hp. from.

Also in 2020, the Russian army received the first production T-90M tanks.

The prospects of the military-industrial complex are connected, first of all, with the supply of new combat vehicles to the troops, built on the basis of the heavy tracked platform "Armata", as well as on the new wheeled platform "Boomerang". In addition to new types of equipment, the military-industrial complex is actively working on the modernization of existing models of weapons.

In 2020, the military received the BMP-2M with the Berezhok combat module and the new BMP-3 with an uninhabited Epoch combat module. In addition, more than 400 armored personnel carriers BTR-82A and BTR-82AM were delivered.

At the end of 2020, the airborne troops received from the Russian industry more than 40 new BMD-4M and armored personnel carriers BTR-MDM "Rakushka".


Main battle tanks T-72B3M. Photo: Alexey Kitaev, fotosn.ru

The rearmament of the army with new small arms also presents great prospects for the domestic defense-industrial complex.

In total, by the end of 2021, the Izhevsk Kalashnikov concern is to supply 112,5 new 5,45-mm AK-12 assault rifles to the army.

Navy


The Russian navy is growing with both ships and coastal missile systems. In 2020, the next coastal missile system "Bal" was transferred to the fleet. And in terms of the total number of modern combat-ready missile systems "Bastion" and "Ball", the Russian Coastal Forces in 2020 reached 74 percent of the need.

At the same time, by the end of 2020, the Russian Navy received 29 ships, boats and submarines. Sergei Shoigu told reporters about this. Speaking at the final collegium of the Ministry of Defense, the Minister of Defense of the country specified that by the end of 2020 the fleet received from the industry two new submarines, 7 surface ships, 10 combat boats and 10 boats and support vessels.

By the end of the year, apparently, it was not possible to accept into the fleet a new nuclear submarine with cruise missiles of project 855M "Yasen-M". Probably, the boat of this project, named "Kazan", will become part of the fleet in 2021.

In the future, these submarines can become carriers of the Zircon hypersonic missiles. According to information from open sources, this anti-ship missile can reach a speed of Mach 8, which makes it the fastest anti-ship missile in Russia.

Currently, the Russian military-industrial complex is loaded with work on the construction of project 855M submarines. There are 5 such submarines in various stages of work. At the same time, in 2019, a contract was signed for the supply of two more similar nuclear submarines.


Project 22350 frigate "Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Gorshkov".

In general, it can be noted that the Russian military shipbuilding has reached record numbers for the modern history of Russia. For the first time, 22 ships of the far sea zone were built simultaneously for the needs of the Russian Navy. TASS news agency reports.

In 2020, the fleet received two serial frigates of project 22350 of the far sea and ocean zone "Admiral Kasatonov" and "Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Gorshkov". The total displacement of these ships reaches 5400 tons.

Russia fulfills the plan for the export of weapons


Traditionally, an important component of the work of the Russian defense industry and the entire economy of the country is the export of arms and military equipment.

On Monday, December 28, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov announced that in 2020 our country has fulfilled all its obligations under the concluded contracts for the export of arms and military equipment. According to a high-ranking official, the process of forming new contracts for the Russian defense industry is ongoing.

In terms of money, the situation here is quite stable. The Russian Federation traditionally operates with a portfolio of export military contracts in the range of $ 45-55 billion. And the volume of annual revenue on the arms market in recent years has always been at the level of $ 14 to 15 billion. Yuri Borisov told about this.

At the same time, in the coming years, the market will see a decline in interest in weapons and military equipment, which will also affect Russia.

In the next two years, military spending worldwide is projected to decline by 8 percent, and global military exports by 4 percent. Deputy Defense Minister of the Russian Federation Alexander Fomin told about this to the journalists of Rossiyskaya Gazeta.

The coronavirus pandemic has dealt a blow to the global economy and individual countries, including the main Russian partners in the field of military-technical cooperation, which in recent years have been Algeria, Egypt and India.

According to expert estimates, the world arms market will return to pre-crisis levels and growth rates only by 2023.
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  1. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 30 December 2020 04: 29
    +15
    Despite individual problems with our armed forces, in general, we can say that the rearmament was successful and successful ... here we can approve the results of the activities of Putin and Shoigu ... a solid four. hi
    1. Hunter 2
      Hunter 2 30 December 2020 04: 49
      +19
      There is something to strive for, but ... compared with the nineties and zero - the results are pleasing! Actually, this is visible to everyone - those who have eyes. Rearmament Continues ... I hope next year will be even more prolific with New Items for the Russian Army and Navy.
      1. lucul
        lucul 30 December 2020 08: 46
        -8
        Actually, this is visible to everyone - who have eyes.

        You can see it is visible, but some need to work out shekels)))
        Therefore, all the scattered people will now run.
      2. bandabas
        bandabas 30 December 2020 10: 11
        -17%
        For the next "cuts" it will definitely be prolific.
        1. bandabas
          bandabas 1 January 2021 13: 37
          -4
          Gentlemen-comrades "minus players! Let's see at the end of the coming 2021. Please, don't cough! You have 365 days in reserve.
    2. faiver
      faiver 30 December 2020 08: 31
      +1
      here you can approve the results of the activities of Putin and Shoigu ... a solid four.
      - but for me so three with a minus hi
    3. ankir13
      ankir13 3 January 2021 23: 04
      0
      You, Lech from Android, of course, would have done better for a long time, while these two are studying there and picking a solid four ... for this - minus you, an excellent student, from me.
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    2. Doccor18
      Doccor18 30 December 2020 12: 31
      +20
      Quote: andrewkor
      Right now, the shitcrats will scream that this money would be worth giving out to pensioners ..

      Pensioners need a pension more than once, and not a year, but for the rest of their lives. Only a strong economy (developed industry and science) can pull this item of expenditure. Not 23 trillion. and not 123 trillion. rubles will not solve this issue ...
      The rearmament program is going on, albeit with problems and shortcomings, but it is going on. And all this inspires restrained optimism. Of course, all patriots of the country would like more obvious shifts towards not only qualitative improvement, but quantitative indicators.
      During the implementation of the program, the Russian armed forces received: 109 Yars ICBMs, 4 strategic nuclear submarines of the Borei project and 108 new ballistic missiles for submarines, 161 surface ships, 17 modern anti-ship missile systems Bastion and Ball ”, more than a thousand modern combat aircraft and helicopters, as well as more than 3,5 thousand units of various modern armored vehicles.

      There are no questions to the Strategic Missile Forces. The update is obvious. But here are the naval statistics: 161 surface ships ... It would be fair to separate combat and auxiliary ships, and also boats. But then the number "161 ships" would go down ... Statistics should "rattle and inspire" ...
      And in the Aerospace Forces there should be "thundering" ... "more than 1000 modern aircraft and helicopters" ... In all the Aerospace Forces there are only 562 SU fighters (27/30/35/34) and 196 modern helicopters (Ka52 and Mi28) and .. . again fails. Although, if you add training aircraft, military-technical cooperation, and ... again a game with numbers ... One could write that "356 fighters, 196 attack helicopters were transferred to aviation ... and so on ... Honestly inspires. But more than 1000 .... It is clear that specialists and those who are very interested will figure it out on their own, but people should see beautiful numbers ...
      3500 pieces of armored vehicles - the same ... What does this include? 3500 modern tanks, infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers? Raises reasonable doubts ...
      Our army is re-equipping, and this cannot but rejoice, but I would like a more honest, open and impartial attitude in matters of the country's defense, the military-industrial complex, in current problems (as far as secrecy allows) and statistics ... hi
  3. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 30 December 2020 05: 17
    +12
    We worked fine, to the envy of many!

    161 surface ships
    Well, if boats and tugs are considered ships, then yes. Impressive. laughing
    1. Thrifty
      Thrifty 30 December 2020 07: 24
      -3
      Vladimir 2u - to include yachts of the oligarchy in the fleet, totally armed them with cruise missiles lol
      1. Usher
        Usher 30 December 2020 12: 57
        -5
        Can you show where these yachts are? Were shaken to poke them
        1. timokhin-aa
          timokhin-aa 30 December 2020 20: 43
          +6
          Can you name 161 ships?
    2. DrEng527
      DrEng527 30 December 2020 14: 54
      -1
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      Well, if boats and tugs

      and without them it is impossible ... request It is good that they are building an auxiliary fleet and the Soviet practice has become a thing of the past, when nuclear-powered ships were prepared for the BS, tearing the navel of the crews ... request
    3. Name Surname
      Name Surname 31 December 2020 01: 46
      +4
      I suppose the pontoons were counted
    4. Xscorpion
      Xscorpion 31 December 2020 11: 42
      +4
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      We worked fine, to the envy of many!

      161 surface ships
      Well, if boats and tugs are considered ships, then yes. Impressive. laughing

      In many countries, including NATO, corvettes are considered "ships" with a displacement of 200-300 tons. They also have frigates with a displacement of a little more than 1000 tons. And nothing, they are not upset. Although our RTOs are significantly superior to their "corvettes" and not much behind the "frigates". Our Admiral Gorshkov, according to NATO classification, is a full-fledged destroyer for example. So believe me, they are impressive. 161 ship, even with boats and tugs, is the fleet of half of Europe.
  4. Tagan
    Tagan 30 December 2020 05: 43
    -1
    Quote: Lech from Android.
    Andrei himself gave me a minus ... a masterpiece reaction ... you will laugh. smile

    I got under the hot hand))) probably
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 30 December 2020 05: 45
      0
      I got under the hot hand)))

      Of course I got ... just never understood what he specifically wanted to say under the article ... in response, only a minus flew in for a question ... well, people. what
  5. Odysseus
    Odysseus 30 December 2020 08: 23
    +13
    Well, let's evaluate GPV-2020. There are no new tanks, no infantry fighting vehicles, no armored personnel carriers, no self-propelled guns, no destroyers, no aircraft carriers, no missiles for the Strategic Missile Forces, etc., and so on.
    It's easier to say that there is 1 new 5th generation fighter, 1 Yasen-class submarine (instead of 8 according to the plan), 4 Boreas (instead of 8), 4 UR-100 RTTKhs from the Brezhnev era with a new head and a MiG-31 squadron (of the same time) with A dagger in trial operation.
    I think these are brilliant results ...
    PS And at the end a little New Year's optimism. Compared to education or healthcare or salaries, everything is good in defense smile
    1. lucul
      lucul 30 December 2020 08: 37
      -10%
      Well, let's evaluate GPV-2020.

      Izzy you're wrong)))
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 30 December 2020 08: 45
        +7
        Quote: lucul
        Izzy you're wrong)))

        If I were Izya, then I said, well done guys, keep up the good work.
        However, alas, I am stupid Vanek who does not understand the full magnitude of our success in all directions.
        1. lucul
          lucul 30 December 2020 08: 47
          -1
          If I were Izya, then I said, well done guys, keep up the good work.

          Are you not happy for Russia?
          1. Per se.
            Per se. 30 December 2020 10: 30
            +3
            Quote: lucul
            Are you not happy for Russia?
            Historically, our people share the concepts of Russia and the government. They say that every nation is worthy of its government, but is it worthy of its people, presenting its immediate responsibilities and duties as heroic deeds and great favors ...
            Are you, Vitaly, happy for the government or for Russia?
            1. lucul
              lucul 30 December 2020 11: 00
              +6
              but is it worthy of its people, presenting its immediate responsibilities and duties as heroic deeds and great favors ...

              Usually those who did not have 100 people under their command say so.
              It reminds a woman who says that a car driver does not overwork at all - “what does he do? He just turns the steering wheel.” But then, when she herself gets the license and gets behind the wheel, the opinion completely changes.
              So it is here - everyone criticizes the government without taking into account external influences - and it is very, very large. Take away the external influence - and everything would go much faster.
              1. Per se.
                Per se. 30 December 2020 11: 54
                +4
                Quote: lucul
                everyone criticizes the government without taking into account external influences - and it is very, very large
                External influence, and when it was not? Of course, it would be nice to have bananas fall right into your mouth. What should the authorities do if capitalism has been taken from us, and they have to live according to laws that were not invented for the good of Russia by the masters of world capitalism?

                Then you need to get out of someone else's pole of power, and it will be possible to live according to your own rules, for the good of Russia, and not according to the rules of those from whom our powers that be keep their gains by overwork.
                About a woman and a steering wheel, this is demagogy, according to which there will always be a head wind, and the gasket between the steering wheel and the seat is to blame for everything.
            2. sleeve
              sleeve 31 December 2020 04: 41
              +1
              "we have historically ..." Quite the opposite. Despite the "twists and turns" of the elite, the people have always held on to power, intuitively understanding the catastrophic nature of the opposite. Since the 1600s, when I first played "power choice". That elite, yes, did not burden themselves with an honest oath in some of their number. Moreover, as a rule, the loudest and most noticeable, although senseless in terms of creation.
              GPV is not only about barrels and rockets. It is also the development of the production system, budget spending, if you want even "neat cuts". GPV lead-do not shake the report. Replaying during execution is the same strategy element. Modernization of the "old" equipment drew attention to the resource turnover at storage bases. First of all, the GPV is successful in terms of building up quantitatively controlled weapons.
              Moreover, a minuscule 23 trillion has been spent on solving the problems of the GPV. How much has been recovered in terms of production programs? ASZ, NAZ, new factories are built. We annexed Crimea and found work there. The groundwork was turned into potential. And the military-industrial complex was raised and the weapons were produced. This is how it should be, not like in Detroit
          2. timokhin-aa
            timokhin-aa 30 December 2020 20: 43
            +7
            You need to rejoice in real achievements, not imaginary ones.
        2. Interlocutor
          Interlocutor 30 December 2020 09: 16
          0
          However, alas, I am stupid Vanek who does not understand the full magnitude of our success in all directions.


          So you ask Yuferev a question. He concocted the article.
  6. faiver
    faiver 30 December 2020 08: 40
    +6
    the GPV-2020 army rearmament program, for which a total of 23 trillion rubles were allocated.
    - this is the main result, the development of this money, we take a calculator and get an amount of more than three hundred billion dollars, 80% of armored vehicles taken from storage, 161 surface ships? not weak armada, but in reality? a couple of frigates, a dozen corvettes and two large landing ships, and so on throughout ... hi
  7. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 30 December 2020 08: 48
    +13
    4 strategic nuclear submarines of the Borey project
    of these, the first three were laid down long before the 2011-202 program. / Of those laid down under this program, only one was passed, instead of 5. As for Ash, I am modestly silent - 1 out of 7, and even then, laid down in the 90s.
    161 surface ships
    If only with tugs and boats.
    Quote: Lech from Android.
    In 2020, the fleet received two serial frigates of project 22350 of the far sea and ocean zone "Admiral Kasatonov" and "Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Gorshkov". The total displacement of these ships reaches 5400 tons.
    Gorshkov was handed over in July 2018! And according to the plan, even taking into account the Ukrainian setup with gearboxes, they should have received 4 by 2020.
    PS As for the supplies to the land and the aerospace forces, it is not strong, but with the Navy a blunder. So the impression of the article is blurry
  8. Bez 310
    Bez 310 30 December 2020 09: 05
    +21
    Juggling numbers and words is meant to
    hide an apparent failure in the construction of ships
    and submarines.
    The Navy remains the most problematic area in
    the process of construction and modernization of the RF Armed Forces.
    1. Dmitry Zverev
      Dmitry Zverev 30 December 2020 09: 58
      0
      Well, you must admit, 100 surface and submarine ships in 9 years, this is in no way realistic. This is the fault of the specialists who created this document, and Medvedev that he signed. And finally, we must sooner or later admit to ourselves that we are not a country of "naval aggression" like the United States. We will never be able to create the most powerful fleet in the world. I am personally more worried about the flocks of "Bayraktars" and Jewish drones, which simply clean the area of ​​infantry and armored vehicles with impunity. Before our eyes are still burning batteries of Syrian "Carnations" near Idlib.
      1. Sailor
        Sailor 30 December 2020 19: 49
        +5
        100 surface ships and submarines is not real? Tell that to the Chinese!
        1. sleeve
          sleeve 31 December 2020 04: 49
          -2
          What for? There are 10 times more of them, but the economy is only 8. Why would these inept people with lower efficiency say anything? This is how the universal payment of pensions will begin and the pace will be maintained, so let's talk. Why do we, in principle, look up to them?
    2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 30 December 2020 10: 03
      +15
      Quote: Bez 310
      Juggling numbers and words

      You are polite. When reading an article from censored words, only "what?", "In" and "on" came to mind.
      1. Bez 310
        Bez 310 30 December 2020 10: 07
        +7
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        You are polite.

        Yes, I am like this...
        But in general, the affairs in the RF Armed Forces are beginning to remind me of the "dagger of the Ministry of Emergencies"
        - continuous records and achievements that have no analogues.
  9. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 30 December 2020 10: 00
    +37
    The result of the program, which could have spent about 23 trillion rubles in total, was the achievement of the set targets. This made GPV 2020 one of the few fully implemented state programs in recent years.

    An absolute lie. Firstly, there is no such thing as GPV 2020. There was GPV 2011-2020, and it was a miserable failure, which is why it was abandoned. Now the much more modest GPV 2018-2027 is in effect, and, of course, it is not finished.
    However, the author is clearly not aware of this. It turns out he has
    2020 is the last year of a large-scale and very ambitious army rearmament program.

    No words ... Author, could you at least study the GPV programs of your native country before writing an article on this topic?
    In general, it can be noted that the Russian military shipbuilding has reached record numbers for the modern history of Russia.

    Well, let's see the implementation of GPV 2011-2020
    1) Of the 10 strategic missile submarine cruisers (SSBNs) of project 955 and 0955M, 4 were commissioned
    2) Of the 10 project 885 multipurpose nuclear submarines with cruise missiles (SSGN), 1 was commissioned;
    3) Out of 20 non-nuclear submarines, including six diesel-electric submarines of the 636.3 type, "Varshavyanka" (fairly improved) and the remaining 14 - the revised project 677 "Lada", 8 Varshavyankas and NONE 677 were commissioned (St. Petersburg - in experimental exploitation);
    4) Out of 14 frigates, including 6 ships of project 11356 ("admiral's" series for the Black Sea Fleet) and 8 frigates of the latest project 22350, 5 were commissioned, including 3 frigates 11356 and 2 - 22350;
    5) Out of 35 corvettes, including - 18 projects 20380 and 20385, and the rest - of a completely new project, 7 corvettes were transferred to the fleet, including 6 - project 20380 and 1 - 20385 with a non-combatant Zaslon;
    6) Of the 4 Mistral-class universal amphibious assault ships (UDC), including two built in France, and the same number at domestic shipyards, the fleet did not receive a single one;
    7) Out of 6 large landing ships (BDK) type 11711 "Ivan Gren" - 2 were built;
    In total, with a plan of 99 ships, 27 were commissioned. Such is the record figure for the modern history of Russia
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 30 December 2020 10: 06
      -12%
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      In total, with a plan of 99 ships, 27 were commissioned. Such is the record for the modern history of Russia.

      You can feel the Soviet temper - everything should be according to the schedule. Give a Five-Year Plan in three years!
      Or were there few cases when, in the Soviet years, ships were launched, which stood at the outfitting berth, waiting for the completion of work for months?
      Or did the history of the Tu-22 teach you nothing?
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 30 December 2020 10: 24
        +22
        Quote: stalkerwalker
        Or were there few cases when, in the Soviet years, ships were launched, which stood at the outfitting berth, waiting for the completion of work for months?

        In the last Soviet years Sevmash for 10 years, from 1982 to 1991, built and handed over to the fleet
        8 PLAT Project 671
        3 PLAT Project 971
        6 SSGN project 949A
        3 GIANT SSBNs of project 941
        6 SSBNs of project 667BDRM
        At the same time, I am only talking about ships laid down in 1982 or later, about those that were laid down earlier and I do not even mention being completed.
        So don't tell me about the USSR
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 30 December 2020 10: 35
          -3
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          So don't tell me about the USSR

          Your "favorite" Sevmash is on the same territory as "Zvezdochka". I have a lot of friends and colleagues from Severodvinsk who worked at both enterprises both in the Soviet years and now.
          So that's it. I inform you.
          During the years of the ever-memorable USSR, it happened exactly as I mentioned - the ships were launched, an acceptance certificate was signed, bonuses were issued, and the crew began to fight for survivability at the berth wall, since the build quality and components were clearly not up to par. And almost always sea trials ended, if not an emergency, then an emergency situation.
          That is why, in the 80s of the last century, the navigation was carried out in the water area of ​​the White Sea, where the nuclear submarines, under the cover of a tug with a pontoon, went to the area of ​​a 70-meter underwater plateau in the Umba region.
          And let me remind you about the history of the Tu-22 - how the all-powerful Comrade A. Tupolev literally shoved his bomber into the troops, which the pilots did not want to accept. And only after numerous complaints, claims and appeals to the authorities, the Tu-22 M.
          "Don't teach me how to live" ...
          1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 30 December 2020 10: 48
            +10
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            During the years of the ever-memorable USSR, it happened exactly as I mentioned - the ships were launched, the acceptance certificate was signed, bonuses were issued, and the crew began to struggle for survivability at the berth wall, since the build quality and components were clearly not up to par

            Tryndet something, I see, do not roll bags.
            Ak Bars, the first Pike-B built at Sevmash
            1988 May 4 - launched
            1988 summer-autumn - completed the ZHI program
            1988 November 19 - December 29 - completed the GSE program
            1988 December 31 - went to the Olenya lip
            "Panther
            1990 May 21 - launching, autumn - ZHI delivery, December - HS delivery, January 91st - departed to a permanent base.
            Hello storytellers from Severodvinsk!
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 30 December 2020 10: 54
              -4
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              1988 May 4 - launched
              1988 summer-autumn - completed the ZHI program

              Yes, my friend, did you serve on it?
              wassat
              Chelyabinsk men are the most knowledgeable in the world ...
              wassat
              1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                Andrei from Chelyabinsk 30 December 2020 11: 19
                +9
                Quote: stalkerwalker
                Chelyabinsk men are the most knowledgeable in the world ...

                Imperfections on warships were, are and will be. However, the ship with critical imperfections will not be sent to the places of permanent deployment - there is no one there to finish them.
                Quote: stalkerwalker
                Yes, my friend, did you serve on it?

                All this is on the same dipstorm. And yes, this site was by no means a philatelist. So if there are any objections on the merits - you are welcome.
                1. stalkerwalker
                  stalkerwalker 30 December 2020 11: 34
                  -1
                  Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                  All this is on the same dipstorm. And yes, this site was by no means a philatelist. So if there are any objections on the merits - you are welcome

                  I am begging you...
                  Paper will endure everything. Especially archival.
                  The true state of affairs can be explained or told only by participants in military campaigns.
                  I would not be so categorical in my conclusions if I had not served 45 days at the base of the submarine in Sevastopol in the fall of 85th.
                  To say that what he saw differed from what he heard beforehand is to say nothing.
                  In our presence, our boat passed exams L-1 and L-2. We also closely communicated with the commander of the BC-1, with the commander of the Eng. The case was on board the DPL of Project 641-Buki.
                  Based on what I saw, and after talking with the warrant officers and old servicemen, my optimism diminished sharply.
                  And since the country was united, and the state of affairs in the fleets did not differ much both in terms of l / s and in supplies, it was not difficult to add up the general impression. Moreover, the submarine relocated from Severomorsk to Sevastopol 2 years before.
                  Working in the North, communicating with current and former employees of Sevmash, I have a general idea of ​​how nuclear submarines are built and accepted in Severodvinsk. Moreover, my 2nd navigator worked for 2 years at Sevmash.
                  Summary.
                  The current leadership of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation and the Russian Navy does not prioritize the calendar or beautiful reporting.
                  Not everything is as perfect as it should be. But there is more order at Sevmash, and the quality of products has become better, if we compare the final result with the Soviet period.
                  The tragedy of the Komsomolets goes back to the days when the ship was launched "on schedule", not on readiness.
                  1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 30 December 2020 12: 12
                    +11
                    Quote: stalkerwalker
                    I am begging you...
                    Paper will endure everything. Especially archival.

                    Again. We take TRPKSN TK-208.
                    1980 - launched
                    The acceptance certificate was signed on December 29, 1981. The ship is in service, but in fact - it is not completed yet. therefore, although it was included in the KSF on February 9, 1982, it still remained at the wall. But in December 1982, the ship enters its first BS
                    TC-12. On December 26, 1984, the acceptance act was signed, in October 1985, the TRPKSN - 45 miles from the North Pole, in December 1985 - on the BS
                    That is, from the moment of delivery of the GSI to the first BS - a year. Is that bad?
                    Quote: stalkerwalker
                    Not everything is as perfect as it should be. But there is more order at Sevmash, and the quality of products has become better, if we compare the final result with the Soviet period.

                    Maybe. But this does not in any way explain or justify the fact that in the period 2001-2020 Sevmash built from scratch and handed over to the Fleet 1 (ONE) a nuclear submarine, which, moreover, has never entered the BS.
                    1. stalkerwalker
                      stalkerwalker 30 December 2020 12: 25
                      -7
                      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                      Maybe. But this in no way explains and does not justify the fact that in the period 2001-2020 Sevmash built from scratch and handed over to the Fleet 1 (ONE) a nuclear submarine, which, moreover, has never entered the BS

                      1. The nuclear submarine is a piece product.
                      2. Financing of the times of the USSR cannot be compared with today.
                      3. Do we "burn" with the number of ships? No one to serve? In any case, we are losing to the United States in this matter. What's the hurry?
                      Or will we urgently demand an increase in the number of Su-57s supplied to the troops?
                      By God, your words remind me of the unforgettable comrade Tukhachevsky, who demanded and built armored vehicles in unthinkable quantities and of terrible quality. And when the Panzerwaffe, together with the Luftwaffe, rolled out thousands of Betheskas and twenty-sixths in oncoming battles, an understanding came that victory is achieved not by number, not by number.
                      And the last ...
                      To give out the discrepancy between the planned and the final result as the fault of the country's leadership is to repeat the nonsense and flood that is happening on the branch about the number of launches into space.
                      Even if less than the enemies. This is not a failure. And not the victory of the enemy weapon. But for some reason the idea prevailed on the site that Putin and the government should be blamed for all the troubles. And this is heresy.
                      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 30 December 2020 12: 51
                        +11
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        1. The nuclear submarine is a piece product.

                        Today. But it was not always so.
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        3. Do we "burn" with the number of ships? No one to serve? In any case, we are losing to the United States in this matter. What's the hurry?

                        Exactly. It burns and there is no one to serve. And if you, comrade who served
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        45 days at the base of the submarine in Sevastopol in the fall of 85th.

                        do not understand that the situation when our NSNF cannot perform their functions is fundamentally intolerable, and that in order for them to be able to perform them we do not need parity at sea with the United States at all - well ... as a professional you have now defined yourself very well ...
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        And when the Panzerwaffe, together with the Luftwaffe, rolled out thousands of Betheskas and twenty-sixths in oncoming battles, an understanding came that victory is achieved not by number, not by number.

                        Precisely that number. The number of cars, the number of radio stations, the number of trained soldiers and officers, the number of heaps of everything that the Wehrmacht had in 1941, but which we did not have.
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        To give out the discrepancy between the planned and the final result as the fault of the country's leadership is to repeat the nonsense and flood that is happening on the branch about the number of launches into space.

                        Delirium and flood - to make such statements. It is the country's leadership that is responsible for these failures. And no one else.
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        But for some reason the idea prevailed on the site that Putin and the government should be blamed for all the troubles. And this is heresy.

                        Yeah. There is no God but Putin, and "just call me Ilyich" is his prophet.
                        And I kept waiting for it to come to canonization ...
                      2. stalkerwalker
                        stalkerwalker 30 December 2020 12: 53
                        -15%
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        And I kept waiting when it comes to canonization

                        Well, everyone knows your apostles. From them and their delirium, the site has turned into an agitation center.
                        Like the main customer ...
                      3. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 30 December 2020 14: 31
                        +7
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        Like the main customer ...

                        Name, do not hesitate.
                        "Boyars in the Duma speak according to the unwritten, so that everyone's foolishness is visible" (C)
                      4. stalkerwalker
                        stalkerwalker 30 December 2020 20: 20
                        -6
                        Especially for you and your friends, I quote an excerpt from the correspondence:
                        Good day, I apologize for the question. The resource is now run by buffoons, svarogs with an idiotic mask, babies and sylvesters. It's just annoying, who wants to put a bunch of minuses, they themselves climb everywhere, with comments. Until you get to an adequate answer on the case, I'm already tired. What is not Article 20 oppositionists ahead of everything with their delirium. We need to do something about it, despite the strange administration supporting this muck. It's just a pity that real strong people stopped writing altogether. Straightly much noticeably, they generally stopped writing in the comments how Aristarkh Lyudvigovich, Sergei from Chelyabinsk seemed to have forgotten how to do it right, and there were many others before the community was revealed. What is your opinion ? And then honestly tired of looking at this horror.
                        PM21:56

                        Ugh, Andrei from Chelyabinsk. Well, I'm reading an article on how the West reacts to the amendments. Again these teach life and I look at people with a bunch of minuses, well, ugliness will spit and leave. Vaughn NasRat is at war with this svarog, and to the point of his delirium, there are some pluses, what to do with it, people will leave. Then these will whine everywhere, although now they are everywhere. I look and you hardly comment? Honestly tired.
                        PM22:40
                    2. DrEng527
                      DrEng527 30 December 2020 15: 04
                      +3
                      Quote: stalkerwalker
                      From them and their delirium, the site has turned into an agitation center.

                      Alas.... request
                2. Alexey RA
                  Alexey RA 30 December 2020 15: 15
                  +10
                  Quote: stalkerwalker
                  3. Do we "burn" with the number of ships? No one to serve? In any case, we are losing to the United States in this matter. What's the hurry?

                  In our country, if you haven't noticed, 40% of strategic SBS are deployed on SLBMs. The withdrawal of carriers from the base and work in the positional area are not provided with anything now. In fact, these SBCs can be written off immediately.
                  Our fleet has nothing to drive the enemy from the bases and ensure the safety of the fairways. The youngest IPCs still remember Mikhail Mecheny. The Navy has no modern TSCs at all. There are four of them called modern, of which one is at the Pacific Fleet (where the Boreis left).
                  And if SSBNs went to sea ... How many new SSNNs do we have? One joke. How many combat-ready SSNS are there in the Pacific Fleet? One joke. How many combat-ready BOD / FR? On each of the fleets you can count on the fingers. Or even one hand.
                  The Navy does not need ships to compete with the United States. And to ensure the survival of SSBNs for 30 minutes. So that no one has a petty little thought of the possibility of a successful disarming strike on the Russian Federation.
                  Quote: stalkerwalker
                  By God, your words remind me of the unforgettable comrade Tukhachevsky, who demanded and built armored vehicles in unthinkable quantities and of terrible quality.

                  In fact, the implementation of the current shipbuilding program most of all resembles the times of Comrade Tukhachevsky. When new SSBNs are solemnly laid down and built, and practically nothing is done to ensure their withdrawal from the base and carrying the DB. Let's build a bunch tanks SSBN, and Armored personnel carriers, trucks, tractors, tankers, PARM IPC, TSCH, MCSAPL, FR - sometime later. sad
                3. stalkerwalker
                  stalkerwalker 30 December 2020 20: 06
                  -1
                  Quote: Alexey RA
                  The Navy does not need ships to compete with the United States. And to ensure the survival of SSBNs for 30 minutes. So that no one has a petty thought of the possibility of a successful disarming strike on the Russian Federation

                  Alexey, everything you said is correct, and is not subject to discussion ...
                  The question is that to launch unprepared ships into the water means to deceive ourselves, they say "everything is in order", the situation is under control ...
                  Quote: Alexey RA
                  And if SSBNs went to sea ... How many new SSNNs do we have? One joke. How many combat-ready SSNS are there in the Pacific Fleet? One joke. How many combat-ready BOD / FR? On each of the fleets you can count on the fingers. Or even one hand

                  This state of affairs did not develop during this outgoing year. The crisis in the fleet renewal program did not even mature yesterday. And in the arms race, the capacities of the Russian shipyards will never be enough to compete with the capacities of competitors from the United States.
                  So why "drive the wave" and sprinkle ashes on your head? After all, it is clear in advance that the emphasis in recent years has been placed on completely new types of weapons, which "not friends" called cartoons. It is with this type of weapon that it is supposed to change the emphasis in a retaliatory strike against an adversary, since in conventional types of weapons, as well as in ships, we are not rivals to NATO and Co.
                  And so that "all at once" - we do not have enough strength. Even the USSR with its allies could not pull ... The same China with its financial capabilities did not reach the United States. And it won't be long enough. And the navies of France, England, the same Japan did not disappear anywhere, and did not disappear.
                  That's why
                  Quote: stalkerwalker
                  Are we on fire with the number of ships? No one to serve? In any case, we are losing to the United States in this matter. What's the hurry?

                  hi
                4. timokhin-aa
                  timokhin-aa 30 December 2020 20: 49
                  +10
                  This state of affairs did not develop during this outgoing year. The crisis in the fleet renewal program did not even mature yesterday. And in the arms race, the capacities of the Russian shipyards will never be enough to compete with the capacities of competitors from the United States.


                  You have just competently explained that it is not about the United States and it is not necessary to chase after occupation, but for your tasks you need combat-ready forces, and not who knows what kind of big money.
                  And we are building exactly the second.
            2. lubesky
              lubesky 30 December 2020 16: 41
              +6
              Quote: stalkerwalker

              By God, your words remind me of the unforgettable comrade Tukhachevsky, who demanded and built armored vehicles in unthinkable quantities and of terrible quality. And when the Panzerwaffe, together with the Luftwaffe, rolled out thousands of Betheskas and twenty-sixths in oncoming battles, an understanding came that victory is achieved not by number, not by number.

              To be fair, NOT to argue with you, I want to note that it is the number with ..
              The main advantages of the Wehrmacht in the summer campaign of the 41st:
              - concentration (grouping of the strike force of the superior enemy force in a SPECIFIC section of the breakthrough) in the directions of the main strikes of combat-ready, mobile formations equipped with radio communications, capable of deep panzerwaffe breakthroughs and autonomous initiative in the depths of the enemy's rear, in isolation from the rear and material base.
              - streamlined and honed during campaigns in Europe, command and control and interaction with the fleets of the Luftwaffe
              - a comprehensive strategy for breaking through fortified areas - airstrike, artillery barrage, a mechanized strike with a breakthrough in a specific sector of the front to the depth and grinding the enemy's rear, routing command and control headquarters of formations, eliminating ammunition and enemy property
              The Red Army mastered all these advantages of the Wehrmacht by the end of 43, and subsequent operations showed the USSR's ability to carry out large-scale military operations on a previously unseen scale.
              So the catastrophe of the 41st showed precisely the superiority of command and control, the ability of the Wehrmacht to form a NUMERICAL and equipped advantage in specific sectors of the front. With all due respect
            3. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 30 December 2020 20: 11
              +3
              Quote: lubesky
              So the catastrophe of the 41st showed precisely the superiority of command and control, the ability of the Wehrmacht to form a NUMERICAL and equipped advantage in specific sectors of the front.

              Duc .. Who can argue.
              But we like to compare figures. So it turns out that 3,5 thousand panzers trampled 10 thousand Russian tanks in the summer-autumn of 41.
              Quote: lubesky
              With all due respect

              Mutually.
              hi
            4. SVD68
              SVD68 31 December 2020 08: 01
              +3
              Quote: stalkerwalker
              But we like to compare figures. So it turns out that 3,5 thousand panzers trampled 10 thousand Russian tanks in the summer-autumn of 41.

              Does not exceed. They don't fight with tanks alone. And the overall aspect ratio:
              Army Group North - 793 thousand people. / PribOVO - 349 thousand people
              GA "Center" - 1453 thousand people. / ZAPOVO - 791 thousand people.
              GA "South" - 1556 thousand people. / KOVO and OdVO - 1412 thousand people.
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 30 December 2020 14: 58
        +2
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        Again. We take TRPKSN TK-208.
        1980 - launched
        The acceptance certificate was signed on December 29, 1981. The ship is in service, but in fact - it is not completed yet. therefore, although it was included in the KSF on February 9, 1982, it still remained at the wall. But in December 1982, the ship enters its first BS
        TK-12.

        EMNIP, there were problems not so much with SSBNs as with weapons. For the ship entered service two and a half years earlier than the P-39 SLBM was adopted. In 1981, the Navy actually adopted a test bench for new SLBMs.
  10. DrEng527
    DrEng527 30 December 2020 15: 01
    +1
    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    However, the ship with critical imperfections will not be sent to the places of permanent basing - there is no one there to finish them.

    Well, he will stand at the pier - everyone is fine: he handed over the plant, the fleet took over, the team was appointed, the service was going on ... request
  • Bez 310
    Bez 310 30 December 2020 10: 48
    -2
    Quote: stalkerwalker
    Tu-22 M was born

    The plane is terrible, a breakthrough compared to the Tu-16,
    did not, supersonic and wing - conjuncturism, I even
    I don't understand what can be upgraded there in the variant
    М3М.
  • Narak-zempo
    Narak-zempo 30 December 2020 14: 38
    +2
    Quote: stalkerwalker
    the ships were launched, the acceptance certificate was signed, bonuses were issued, and the crew began to fight for survivability at the berth wall

    Exactly. The labor feat of the plant should pass without pauses into a conditionally combat feat of the crew. Hello, country of heroes! .. laughing
    Quote: stalkerwalker
    And I will remind you about the history of the Tu-22

    The flight crew simply did not grow up morally and professionally to the Tu-22.
    1. Bez 310
      Bez 310 30 December 2020 15: 11
      0
      Quote: Narak-zempo
      The flight crew simply did not grow up morally and professionally to the Tu-22.

      Why do you think so?
      Have you flown this plane?
      1. Narak-zempo
        Narak-zempo 30 December 2020 15: 12
        0
        Quote: Bez 310
        Why do you think so?
        Have you flown this plane?

        No. But it is clearly designed for supermen.
        1. Bez 310
          Bez 310 30 December 2020 15: 15
          +1
          Quote: Narak-zempo
          No. But it is clearly designed for supermen.

          It’s like ...
          I know several pilots who have flown this type -
          quite ordinary people, so they think that the plane
          just "unlucky".
          1. Narak-zempo
            Narak-zempo 30 December 2020 15: 16
            +2
            Quote: Bez 310
            It’s like ...
            I know several pilots who have flown this type -
            quite ordinary people, so they think that the plane
            just "unlucky".

            I'm talking about the first Tu-22, not the Tu-22M.
            1. Bez 310
              Bez 310 30 December 2020 15: 16
              0
              Quote: Narak-zempo
              I'm talking about the first Tu-22

              And I'm talking about him ...
    2. Pamir
      Pamir 30 December 2020 20: 29
      -3
      If the flight crew did not grow up to the 35nd in 22 years, then wait for the crews to grow to the 22nd century?
  • DrVintorez
    DrVintorez 30 December 2020 17: 27
    +7
    Quote: stalkerwalker
    During the years of the ever-memorable USSR, it happened exactly as I mentioned - the ships were launched, an acceptance certificate was signed, bonuses were issued, and the crew began to fight for survivability at the berth wall, since the build quality and components were clearly not up to par. And almost always sea trials ended, if not an emergency, then an emergency situation.

    and how do these ships still go?
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 30 December 2020 20: 08
      -1
      Quote: DrVintorez
      and how do these ships still go?

      And so ...
      "If you don't know, we'll teach.
      If you don't want to, we'll force it. "
  • Grits
    Grits 1 January 2021 16: 43
    0
    Quote: stalkerwalker
    That is why, in the 80s of the last century, the navigation was carried out in the water area of ​​the White Sea, where the nuclear submarines, under the cover of a tug with a pontoon, went to the area of ​​a 70-meter underwater plateau in the Umba region.

    So now everything is the same - nothing has changed. He personally participated in the tests. So there is no need to say that in Soviet times it was like this, and in the present - like this. Everything is the same, this is a developed practice.
  • DrEng527
    DrEng527 30 December 2020 14: 59
    0
    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    3 GIANT SSBNs of project 941

    isn't it 5?
  • Bez 310
    Bez 310 30 December 2020 10: 31
    +1
    Quote: stalkerwalker
    Or did the history of the Tu-22 teach you nothing?

    Tell this story.
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 30 December 2020 10: 38
      +3
      Quote: Bez 310
      Quote: stalkerwalker
      Or did the history of the Tu-22 teach you nothing?

      Tell this story

      This story in all its glory was described in his book by V. Reshetnikov, who flew the Great Patriotic War on the IL-4, who at one time held the post of Commander-in-Chief of the DBA.
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    2. IL38
      IL38 31 December 2020 17: 35
      -2
      Greetings M.V.
      Chuloshnikov yours? Or Primorsko-Kamranjskiy?
      The day before yesterday they buried (((
      1. Bez 310
        Bez 310 31 December 2020 18: 50
        0
        Quote: IL38
        Chuloshnikov

        This is such a life ...
        1. IL38
          IL38 1 January 2021 09: 07
          -3
          I cheated in due time.
  • Sling cutter
    Sling cutter 30 December 2020 10: 08
    +2
    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    An absolute lie. Firstly, there is no such thing as GPV 2020. There was GPV 2011-2020, and it was a miserable failure, which is why it was abandoned.

    Meet and do not spoil the mood of the uryaskakuasam.
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 30 December 2020 10: 25
      +5
      Quote: Stroporez
      Check it out

      Yes, it's me as usual :))))))) Happy New Year! hi
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 30 December 2020 10: 29
        +2
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        Happy New Year!

        Thank you! Let's hope for changes in the new year. drinks
  • Gvardeetz77
    Gvardeetz77 30 December 2020 12: 27
    +5
    I wonder if the author reads the comments on his article? If he reads, then he will have enough courage to enter into a discussion after such poking his nose, well, or admit he was wrong if he agrees with the criticism ...
  • lubesky
    lubesky 30 December 2020 12: 44
    +3
    Don't you see anything positive at all in the large-scale weapons program? All plans were thwarted, everything is bad. It seems to me that this program is unprecedented in its potential, and not in intermediate results. Can't you see the prospects?
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 30 December 2020 12: 59
      +3
      Quote: lubesky
      Can't you see the prospects?

      "Here are the king, my wife,
      even if it is green
      But then - there is a prospect!
      No mother-in-law ... (not at all) "
      Quote: lubesky
      Don't you see anything positive at all in the large-scale weapons program?

      I see, of course. After 10 years of wild 90s and 10 years of the strongest economy on the Armed Forces in 2000-2009, the country's leadership, after Georgia climbed on our peacekeepers, suddenly remembered that the Russian Federation has armed forces that need at least some acceptable contain. And finally it began to allocate funds for this.
      But at the same time, literally all the mistakes that could be made were made (starting with the appointment of Serdyukov as Minister of Defense), and especially many - in the state armaments program. Yes, as a result of innovations, we have received more or less combat-ready Armed Forces, which can actually do something today. And this is positive. But I am not inclined to sing hosanna to our leadership for the fact that it finally began to allocate money for the Armed Forces and (albeit not immediately) put a somewhat sane leader at the head. This is his responsibility. But to applaud him for constantly stumbling into the GPV
      1. lubesky
        lubesky 30 December 2020 13: 05
        +3
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        But I am not inclined to sing hosanna to our leadership for the fact that it finally began to allocate money for the Armed Forces and (albeit not immediately) put a somewhat sane leader at the head. This is his responsibility. But to applaud him for constantly stumbling into the GPV

        And I did not speak about hosanna to the leadership. I talked about the positive and the prospects. In general, I consider the development of the country's armed forces of pure water - the coincidence of the interests of the elites to protect the loot and the philistine notions of great power. At the same time, although this is a coincidence of interests (I must say accidental) of the elites and society, I think the very scale of the state order and weapons by body movement is very useful for the development of the military-industrial complex, KB and Armed Forces and the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks) - a joke))
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 30 December 2020 14: 33
          +1
          Quote: lubesky
          place with that, although this is a coincidence of interests (I must say accidental) of the elites and society - I think the very scale of the state order and weapons by body movement is very useful for the development of the military-industrial complex, KB and the Armed Forces and the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks) - a joke))

          This is, of course, without a doubt. The military-industrial complex literally kept itself on the edge.
      2. lubesky
        lubesky 30 December 2020 13: 31
        +4
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        Quote: lubesky
        Can't you see the prospects?

        "Here are the king, my wife,
        even if it is green
        But then - there is a prospect!
        No mother-in-law ... (not at all) "

        In general, your hot position on this issue is deeply understandable and close to me, it is immediately clear that you are a person who deeply personally experiences this issue, like me. However, I dare to note - how demandingly and dashingly you assess the capabilities of our Fatherland and the military-industrial complex, the economy and the government, of course, the keyboard almost does not limit your ambitions and flight of imagination (you yourself said about understanding the crushed state of the military-industrial complex and the Armed Forces, which means some kind of inconsistency in your analysis of the execution of the planned figures themselves)), in comparison with the possibilities and plans of the USSR. And that the plan itself was initially impracticable and overestimated - such a thought never crossed your mind by chance? The far-sighted and wise leader of a huge power from an expert from Chelyabinsk (albeit respected by me) is just what distinguishes the METHOD of setting goals and objectives on a national scale, namely, it did not occur to you that the final figures in pieces for ships and other weapons were only by landmarks, and most likely by less important values ​​and the plan hid MORE important goals and tasks in the course of the plan itself, options for adjusting or changing it (you quite rightly noticed the interlocutor about not knowing how to change the plan, but did you pin him so badly?), determining the SCOPE of the collapse of the system of cooperation of the military-industrial complex and related industries and the ability of the military-industrial complex itself to such achievements? I am sure that at SEVMASH the new armament plan loudly and sincerely amused the plant's team, but in the process of implementation it became not at all funny, because the plan must be fulfilled. So the whole mass of intermediate goals and objectives was fulfilled and is being carried out, which was much MORE IMPORTANT than the final numbers you condemned in pieces. According to Serdyukov - but it never occurred to you that given the scale of what was conceived, it was necessary to put at the head of the ministry the frost of the Menshikov furniture maker, so incompetent in military affairs and not responsive to the hazing of generals and the traditions of the ministry, so that with his competence he did not interfere with competence and foresight of the SUPERIOR and did everything according to a pre-approved plan, as preparation for reforms? Arrange a terribly incompetent cleansing and redundancies, which looked like that for the townsfolk and generals, in order to pave the way for a competent executor who will not have time and leisure before a carpet fight against the thieving generals and local leaders?
        On the scale of such a HUGE country, you need to think further and look wider. Don't you think that there are no very smart and forward-looking managers in a top-level team?
        The task was deliberately overstated by the Supreme. Not everything was realized. But if you look without emotion, in the bottom line, important directions have been pushed off the ground.
        - restoration of the chain of cooperation of the military-industrial complex and related industries
        - reconstruction and replenishment of the absent (disappeared, remaining on the fragments of the USSR) production of cooperation in many directions
        - mastering a partial and deep modernization of weapons at the HH (the fate of this scrap metal was unenviable 5 years ago)
        - restoration of the potential to return to the combatant and linear units of the mass of equipment with partial modernization in the event of a local conflict of high intensity (mobilization component - about which our hearts ache)
        - the GO system, its mobilization component, combat readiness and potential has been moved from a dead center (to the supreme - the fate of the GO structure was obvious)
        - restoration of the potential for the construction of military facilities (civilian dual-use - covid hospitals)
        - filling the design bureaus and development departments of the military-industrial complex with monetary and material parts, the emergence of potential and profitability of promising developments
        - active development, sea trials and development of equipment and weapons of deep modernization and promising models have begun
        - the chain of state orders has shifted and expanded the potential for the development and testing of new shooting and launch systems
        - large and large-scale military exercises with the involvement of modernized and promising models filled the exercises themselves with meanings, tasks and morale, faith in their service of the cadre, expanded the potential and development of troop management (a wound that has not healed since the summer of 41)
        Maybe I didn't take into account a lot, but in the end I consider such gestures to be very useful for RA and positive. The rest of the problems pale in comparison with the opening prospects and, most importantly, in terms of the mobilization component and the universal coverage of all types of armed forces. Given the current state of Russia and the government, its economy, this gives some hope for the future, at least in the development of the armed forces, supporting them in a combat-ready state, especially against the background of a complete and partial failure in the social sphere, the economy and everything else ...
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 30 December 2020 14: 57
          +9
          Quote: lubesky
          And that the plan itself was initially impracticable and overestimated - such a thought never crossed your mind by chance?

          I wrote about this in 2017. Here.
          Quote: lubesky
          namely, it did not occur to you that the final numbers in pieces for ships and other weapons were only guidelines

          Look, I myself am a planning economist. And I work by profession. So, all of the above has a place to be. And yes, indeed, this is the right move - to set deliberately high goals and objectives.
          "You want a lot - you will receive little! But this is not a reason to want a little and not get anything" (c)

          But it doesn't work that way. You can set tasks 30-40% higher than real ones. 100% stupid. And we have an almost fourfold deviation.
          And there is no need to talk about cooperation. Not a single, I stress, ANY competent manager would ever raise a hand to make the revival of the fleet dependent on the Ukrainian and German engine building. And how many more such mistakes were made - not to list.
          In general, it is not necessary about the HPP. Tired, honestly
          Quote: lubesky
          According to Serdyukov - but it never occurred to you that given the scale of what was planned, it was necessary to put at the head of the ministry a hoarfrost furniture maker-Menshikov, who is so incompetent in military affairs and not responsive to the hazing of generals and the traditions of the ministry, so that his competence does not interfere with competence and foresight of the SUPERIOR and did everything according to a pre-approved plan, as preparation for reforms?

          For this "preparation for reforms", which dealt a severe blow to the Armed Forces, from which they cannot recover to this day, and in many positions - it is possible that Serdyukov should be put up against the wall. If he acted according to a previously approved plan, those who drew up this plan should be shot. Dot.
          This "thought", which you present to me as a revelation, has been known to me for a long time. It is completely absurd and has nothing to do with reality, because the mass of its transformations, including the reduction of military educational institutions, the introduction of a brigade system for the formation of ground forces, "price wars" with the military-industrial complex, orientation on imported weapons, turning upside down and, in fact , complete destruction of the procedure for creating new equipment, new principles of command with division by military districts, etc. etc. there is sabotage in its pure form, the consequences of which will be felt for a very, very long time.
          Everything else that you have listed DOES NOT REQUIRE either Serdyukov or HPP.
          1. lubesky
            lubesky 30 December 2020 15: 28
            +1
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

            This "thought", which you present to me as a revelation, has been known to me for a long time. It is completely absurd and has nothing to do with reality, because the mass of its transformations, including the reduction of military educational institutions, the introduction of a brigade system for the formation of ground forces, "price wars" with the military-industrial complex, orientation on imported weapons, turning upside down and, in fact , complete destruction of the procedure for creating new equipment, new principles of command with division by military districts, etc. etc. there is sabotage in its pure form, the consequences of which will be felt for a very, very long time.
            Everything else that you have listed DOES NOT REQUIRE either Serdyukov or HPP.

            Do you seriously think that all the transformations really came from Serdyukov ???

            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            If he acted according to a previously approved plan, those who drew up this plan should be shot. Dot.

            Based on my question above - will they put themselves against the wall?
            I agree with you about the mistakes, I initially did not dispute your remarks, I just started our dialogue with the fact that do you see positive shifts and prospects? You answered it to me and we have similar thoughts. You correctly noted the reason for the transformations - the clash with Georgia, but unfortunately the goal does not make me happy (despite the coincidence of interests), and the goal of the transformations is to protect the loot from external competitors, and the goal should be based on the interests of the FATHERLAND. I think this very thought shows well that your comments on Serdyukov and other mistakes do not have any far-reaching discrepancies with my thoughts.

            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            This "thought", which you present to me as a revelation, has been known to me for a long time. It is completely absurd and has nothing to do with reality.

            I have bad news for you - this "thought" is reality, although I sincerely understand the reasons that do not allow you to accept it. Everything we have THERE is planned and implemented in this way, and of course NOT in the interests of the common people. He is not at all stupid to be mistaken with Serdyukov - this is reality, not a revelation ...
      3. DrEng527
        DrEng527 30 December 2020 15: 07
        +4
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        (starting with the appointment of Serdyukov as Minister of Defense),

        Really? how else to crush the Arbat military district and cleanse these Augean stables? They have been on the defensive since the 1930s, even the IVS with the case of the aviators could not break through ... request And Serdyukov could ...
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        Yes, as a result of innovations, we received more or less combat-ready Armed Forces, to
        But GDP is not to blame for this - you are funny ... bully
  • SID
    SID 30 December 2020 10: 37
    0
    Enlighten, who knows, about the pictures in the article:
    - what is the purpose of the inclined platform on the tank conveyor?
    - What kind of shop is this, where are the MiG-29 and Yak-130?
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 30 December 2020 11: 29
      +3
      Quote: SID
      - What kind of shop is this, where are the MiG-29 and Yak-130?

      This is not a MiG-29, but someone from the Su-30 family - you can see the tail between the engines.
      And the photo is very similar to the Final Assembly Shop in Irkutsk.

      There is another photo here: https://topwar.ru/59303-proizvodstvo-samoletov-su-30-i-yak-130-irkutskiy-aviacionnyy-zavod.html
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 30 December 2020 10: 38
    0
    Cool stand on the photo. Tank in "on a round tray" on the right. Adjustment and coordination of the gun and stabilizer?
  • SID
    SID 30 December 2020 11: 03
    +2
    "The military-industrial complex of Russia remains one of the most competitive in the Russian economy ..."

    After reading this, I did not read further, looked at the pictures ...
  • iouris
    iouris 30 December 2020 12: 02
    -1
    The military-industrial complex appeared in the USA. This is a phenomenon unique to the United States. The essence is the development and testing of "advanced" technologies in the US Armed Forces in order to ensure technological, economic, military-political leadership and US domination in the world. To achieve this goal, the so-called "consumer society" was formed in the United States, and a specific subject of law was created - "consumer", whose right to the safe consumption of "standard" products of (private) corporations (which later became TNCs) undertook to be guaranteed by the state (USA). The "safety" of the consumer is achieved by introducing into production "safe" (approved by the US administration) technologies tested in the US Armed Forces. Before the advent of the military-industrial complex, the state (the US administration) could not interfere in the affairs of private business that paid taxes.
    Thus, the military-industrial complex exists only in the United States. In this sense, there was no military-industrial complex in the USSR; there is no military-industrial complex in the Russian Federation.
  • A_Lex
    A_Lex 30 December 2020 13: 06
    +10
    By 2020, within the framework of the State Arms Program 2011–2020, the indicator of the equipment of the Russian armed forces with new equipment was necessary bring to 70 percent.


    Pivot percentages should be banned because they are very easy to manipulate. A person perceives the value of 100% as a kind of absolute criterion of sufficiency, respectively, the closer to this indicator, the better it seems. At the same time, as applied to military equipment, first of all, it is not the quantity itself that should be of interest, but the staffing with specific types of equipment with specific functions in specific troops, which makes it possible to fulfill the developed plans for which this equipment is ordered.

    equipment indicator of the Russian armed forces new technology


    I'm not interested in the amount of new technology. Because the word "new" has no specific meaning. Interested in the amount of current technology. Up-to-date means a technique that fully complies with industry standards at the moment. In this sense, the 636.3 technique is certainly new, simply because it was built from zero, but not up-to-date.

    At the same time, at the end of 2020, the Russian Navy received 29 ships, boats and submarines.


    Mixing rank 1-2 ships with boats in one heap, as well as using the word "ships" immediately after the summary figure, purely for the sake of giving the reader the impression that exactly 29 ships arrived at the fleet, this is a trivial manipulation for powdering the brain as, for example, in the store they sculpt a price tag of 49.59 in an attempt to outwit the buyer so that it seems to him that the product is worth less than in reality.

    This practice should be abandoned. If you can't, then at least rearrange the words and write like this "29 boats, ships and submarines." See? The effect of "29 boats" is quite different. But this is more honest, because of these 29 surface ships and submarines make up a smaller part.

    Under the current contracts of the Russian Aerospace Forces until the end of 2024 should get a total of 22 fifth generation fighters, and in total by 2028 the number of serial Su-57s in the army planned to bring up to 76 cars. Previously these plans were announced by the president Russia's Vladimir Putin.


    Taking into account the existing chronic practice of disruptions to the planned dates, which is coquettishly called the phrase "shift to the right" devoid of specific semantic content, one can ignore the current plans. Moreover, as practice has shown, even the alleged authority of a person who has been convincingly stating that the plans will allegedly be carried out does not save from delays in deadlines. Therefore, all words and expressions like "should receive", "will", "planned", "plans voiced by the president" are essentially a fantasy on the topic of future events, which are now trying to sell in the form of supposedly events that will definitely happen, which means they ALREADY can be attributed to the category of "perfect events".

    In the future, these submarines I can be carriers of hypersonic missiles "Zircon". According to information from open sources, this anti-ship missile will be able to reach speed Mach 8, which makes it the fastest anti-ship missile in Russia.


    One should not talk about future events as if they have actually happened in reality. Zircon's trials are NOT yet complete. Serial production is NOT established. When the rocket will appear in the standard nomenclature of ships and how long it will take is unknown. But for those who want to translate the future into the present, none of this matters. Only 2 magic spells referring to the future tense, "can become" and "can achieve" work miracles in terms of perception of reality, and literally in the next sentence the rocket is ALREADY "the fastest anti-ship missile in Russia". Bravo to the wizards.

    In general, it can be noted that the Russian military shipbuilding entered record numbers for the modern history of Russia... For the first time at the same time for the needs of the Navy in the country was carried out construction of 22 ships of the far sea zone... TASS news agency reports.


    Above in the article, ships were clearly separated from submarines. Of the ships of the far sea zone, 22350, 11711, 23900 are now being built and their number is clearly less than 29. And even if we add 885 to them, the total figure will still be less than 29. So it’s not clear where the real record is, except perhaps the desire to the record was, for which you can go by the way of standard and usual manipulations with numbers.
  • senima56
    senima56 30 December 2020 14: 04
    0
    Good news! drinks The main thing is not to slow down the rate of rearmament! good
  • _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ 30 December 2020 16: 02
    +1
    an article in the style of the USSR, the main thing is to put the dust in your eyes, I would like to read an article on this topic with objective data and not bravura manipulation of numbers
    1. iouris
      iouris 30 December 2020 22: 18
      0
      Maybe you are on the CIA website?
  • Antonio_Mariarti
    Antonio_Mariarti 30 December 2020 19: 39
    -1
    I am very glad that we have finally fulfilled it and I hope that now the budget for military spending will be reduced and transferred to other areas. Although, looking at the item of expenditure and how much of the budget is classified, it does not inspire such optimism.
  • Diverter
    Diverter 30 December 2020 22: 33
    +1
    Well what can I say. This is all very good. Less than we all wanted / dreamed of, but still a good result!
  • Xscorpion
    Xscorpion 31 December 2020 12: 01
    0
    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    Quote: stalkerwalker
    Or were there few cases when, in the Soviet years, ships were launched, which stood at the outfitting berth, waiting for the completion of work for months?

    In the last Soviet years Sevmash for 10 years, from 1982 to 1991, built and handed over to the fleet
    8 PLAT Project 671
    3 PLAT Project 971
    6 SSGN project 949A
    3 GIANT SSBNs of project 941
    6 SSBNs of project 667BDRM
    At the same time, I am only talking about ships laid down in 1982 or later, about those that were laid down earlier and I do not even mention being completed.
    So don't tell me about the USSR

    Andrey, ask how many dozens of submarine accidents there were over the same period of time, how many submarines and hundreds of people died because they handed over raw trash. In the USSR there was practically not a single accident-free year, sometimes they lost several submarines a year. Maybe just because to do it was necessary to normally, and not to chase the quantity, cheerfully reporting to the authorities about the implementation of the plan?
    1. A_Lex
      A_Lex 3 January 2021 00: 29
      +1
      Maybe just because it was necessary to do it normally, and not to chase the quantity, cheerfully reporting to the authorities about the implementation of the plan?


      Since 1991, exactly 1 submarine of project 885 has entered the fleet. in almost 30 years. The more boats, the more the chance of accidents. The fewer boats, the less chance of accidents. If there are no boats at all, the probability of boat accidents is zero.
  • Escobar
    Escobar 31 December 2020 12: 22
    0
    Read what according to the rearmament program the fleet should have received by 2020 and what it got in the end
  • Tests
    Tests 31 December 2020 20: 04
    +2
    stalkerwalker (call me simply - Ilyich), dear, please share on what specific order of SEVMASH, just launched, the crew began to fight for survivability. For one thing, just tell me whether the crew was first or second.
    "And almost always sea trials ended, if not an emergency, then an emergency situation." - What project are you talking about? What specific order? Let us immediately list the Heroes of the Soviet Union, holders of the orders "Battle Red Banner", "For Personal Courage", "Red Star", which received these high awards directly at the outfitting embankments of SEVMASH or during tests, both military and civilian specialists ( to make your task easier, we will take only the workers of "Arctic" and SEVMASH, we do not take specialists from Gorky, Leningrad, Sevastopol, Miass, Kaunas and other cities of the USSR).
    "That is why, in the 80s of the last century, the navigation was carried out in the waters of the White Sea, where the nuclear submarines, under the cover of a tug with a pontoon, went to the area of ​​a 70-meter underwater plateau in the Umba region." Were the pontoons for "Granite" and "Shark" different? And for "Azukh" and "Bukakh" that "Zvezdochka" modernized, were there more pontoons, or were they taken at SEVMASH? And for the "Clamshells" pr. 675, for diesels? "Sharks" and diesels, agree slightly different, no? Who built these pontoons, when and in what workshops? And on the White Sea what tug pulled them to Umba? One or two? And where did those pontoons stand between tests, at which pier of the Belomorsk naval base or at SEVMASH? And who served the pontoons? In a year, they will become overgrown with rust by a wave, polished and beaten by ice ...
    Sea baiting is a necessary thing, especially before the New Year, THANK YOU VERY MUCH!
    Everyone on the "V.O." Happy New Year! Far Easterners - Happy New Year!
    In 4 hours I will raise a glass of champagne in St. Petersburg, and meanwhile I went, at the direction of my youngest daughter, to peel pomegranates and grind nuts for the Pomegranate Bracelet salad.
    Happy Holiday !!!
  • pexotinec
    pexotinec 1 January 2021 01: 27
    +1
    That is why these figures cannot please me, they are on paper! Really less. Judging by the way they steal, that's okay. Really look at what came from the new technology to the troops !!! Really, the central districts received rearmament !!! I don't want to enter the Chinese border! This feeling is protected only by the mask! There was a congratulation from a big official, and he congratulated me, dear Muscovites and Russians! Lord, bring me back in line.
  • Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 1 January 2021 17: 28
    +3
    The results of the year are lousy.
    At the end of the year, our SZ.
    Everything has failed. Deadlines ruined all to put it mildly.
  • Sergey Nikiforov
    Sergey Nikiforov 2 January 2021 08: 07
    -1
    I will express my personal opinion. The development of the military-industrial complex is certainly good. Such huge numbers. Everything is fine. Only one thing. But, who is going to fight with the country that has officially announced its nuclear doctrine.? Is it not similar to the well-known policy that if there are no enemies, then create them and then it is easiest to push all the mistakes in the economy onto the notorious enemy forces The easiest way is to simply apologize for the real drop in income and go from the 20/20 strategy to state regulation of food prices. A breakthrough in the development of the development of the military-industrial complex in the longer term will not lead to a contribution to the development of the economy Yes, of course, now salaries, taxes But the materials are spent and are a dead weight The production technology of the same Yars is hardly applicable in the national economy and there are many such examples For a long time rassusolivat But a question to readers, among whom there are many military pensioners According to Rosstat's summary, inflation for 2020 is 4,9%, and how is military pension? Here's where your efforts
  • Born_of_SSSR
    Born_of_SSSR 3 January 2021 19: 51
    +1
    Blah, blah blah ... custom article ...
  • Dmitriy66
    Dmitriy66 4 January 2021 12: 40
    0
    I read the article.
    I read the comments so far.
    Pleased with Andrey from Chelyabinsk)).
    The article was reminiscent of an editorial in the Pravda newspaper.
    I'm nostalgic, but ... I understand that they are cheating, but I don't understand where))
  • ilia3075
    ilia3075 5 January 2021 16: 08
    -1
    Not much off-topic, this concerns the so-called pseudo-patriots who love Russia, but hate the state, in this case Putin, because it is so, but in modern realities on the international arena we say Putin, we mean Russia, we say Russia, we mean Putin .All Russian pseudo-patriots and liberals from time immemorial cover up the desire to destroy Russia with beautiful words. Like, we just adore Russia to the point of pain in our livers, but we hate power, since Russia is Russia, and power, be it a tsar, emperor, general secretary or president ( underline) must be overthrown or destroyed for the sake of mythical goals, be it 1825. The Decembrist uprising (in fact, the first attempt at the liberal Maidan, in modern terms) .Thanks to Nikolai1, who crushed this case in the bud, then all sorts of commoners, etc. Recall the legendary words of Herzen about who was awakened by the Decembrists, and commoners, and Petrashevists, and then the era of terrorist bombers has come, who simply staged terror in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Zasulich, Perova and others, etc. And then Ulyanov-Lenin with his legendary phrase: "We will go the other way" and after all I got it. I must say, his stubbornness inspires respect. And Perestroika, when liberalism, led by all dissident evil spirits, went to destroy the country with the same words: “We love the country, but we hate the state.” And every time the liberals succeeded, be it the February bourgeois revolution or a coup d'etat Yeltsin in '91, all this plunged the country into a global zho..y, but under nice words.