Anti-aircraft gun-missile complex short-range "Pantsir-С1" 96K6

The “Patsir-С1” CMS is the development of the “Tunguska-M” CMS system. Externally, anti-aircraft systems are very similar, but are designed to perform different tasks. ZATRK "Patsir-С1" is intended for air defense of important and strategic objects.


The first developments on the creation of an anti-aircraft complex are being carried out according to the order of the Soviet air defense in accordance with the OCR “Roman” since the middle of 1990. The gun-rocket anti-aircraft complex was proposed as a short-range system for covering troop groups and C-300 / C-300В complexes. A little later, it offers the SV, Navy, Airborne. When designing a short-range system, materials from the Tunguska-M project 2K22М were used.

Anti-aircraft gun-missile complex short-range "Pantsir-С1" 96K6


The first prototype of the new complex called “Roman” (Pantsir-С1) was ready for 1994 year. The following year, first shown on MAKS-1995. Due to poor financing, the complex was not acquired by the customer. More or less, funding for the project began in 2000 — funding was provided by the UAE. By 2005, the main customer of the Pantsir-C1 anti-aircraft gun missile system is becoming the Russian Air Force. At present, the need for such a complex is estimated at 100 units. The main tests of the complex took place in 2006-07. The serial production of the Pantsir-С1 complex begins with 2007. It is carried out at the Tula enterprise “Shcheglovsky Val” With the 2008 of the year, the missile defense system “Pantsir-S1” is in service with the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. In the same year, the arrival of the first short-range complexes in the Russian Air Force was expected.

The first ZPRK DB "Pantsir-S 1" entered service in the number of 10 units in the Russian Air Force in the spring of 2010. According to the available information, up to 2015, more 10 complexes will be put on combat duty. Until 2020, it is planned to provide the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation with hundreds of missile defense missiles of the Pantsir-С1 database.

As part of the work on the Pantsir-C1 project, according to the ESCTA development program, the following experimental design works are being carried out to create interspecific complexes:
- Redoubt;
- Pantsir-SM;
- anti-aircraft gun and missile system;
- Armor-С1;
- Gladiator.


Prototypes, models and built instances:
the first prototype is the Roman complex consisting of:
- anti-aircraft artillery systems 2X4 9М311;
- artillery armament gun 2X30mm 2А72;
- used chassis - Ural-5323-20;
- diesel engine with turbocharging YMZ-238B 300 hp;
- wheel formula - 8X8 with 2-me front driven axles;
- payload up to 16 tons.



ZPRK DB "Pantsir-С1" - the basic version (prototype) consisting of:
- anti-aircraft artillery systems 2X6 57Е6Е;
- artillery 2 cannon for 2X30mm 2А38М;
- used chassis - MZKT-7930;
- wheel formula - 8X8 with 2-me front driven axles;



ZPRK DB "Pantsir-С1" - the basic version of the sample 2006-07 g, consisting of:
- anti-aircraft artillery systems 2X6 57Е6Е;
- artillery 2 cannon for 2X30mm 2А38М;
- used chassis - KAMAZ-6560;
- wheel formula - 8X8;
- bulletproof cockpit armor;
- HP 400 diesel engine;
- speed up to 90 km / h;
- range to 500 kilometers.



ZRPK 96K6-1 or BM 72В6Е, consisting of:
- anti-aircraft artillery systems 2X6 57Е6Е;
- artillery 2 cannon for 2X30mm 2А38М;
- used chassis - type "Voshchina-1";



ZPRK DB "Pantsir-S1E" - export version for the United Arab Emirates in the composition:
- used chassis - MAN-SX45



Project version of the complex "Pantsir-С1" MAKS-2009 consisting of:
- used chassis - MZKT-7930
- wheel formula - 8X8.



Serial ZRPK database "Pantsir-С1" consisting of:
- anti-aircraft artillery systems 2X6 57Е6Е;
- artillery 2 cannon for 2X30mm 2А38М;
- used chassis - KAMAZ-6560;
- S-band radar module;



Export version of ZPRK DB consisting of
- anti-aircraft artillery systems 2X6 57Е6Е;
- artillery 2 cannon for 2X30mm 2А38М;
- used chassis - GM-352М1Е;
- wheel formula - tracked;
- bulletproof booking;
- speed up to 70 km / h;
- range to 600 kilometers;
- optoelectronic station.



Tracked version ZPRK BD "Armor –С1" consisting of:
- anti-aircraft artillery systems 2X6 57Е6Е;
- artillery 2 cannon for 2X30mm 2А38М;
- used chassis - GM-352М1Е;
- wheel formula - tracked;
- tracking radar (avionics).



The device complex 96K6
The complex is built on a modular design that can be installed on any chassis. The design of the complex consists of the following modules:
- module with weapons;
- tower installation;
- control module;
- module BOT



A module with weapons carries rocket and artillery weapons:
- 12-guided bicalyber anti-aircraft 2-x 57-6E stepped missiles with a starting engine (launch stage), detachable at the beginning of the flight trajectory. Marching stage - warhead, contact and non-contact fuses, onboard equipment complex. Aerodynamic scheme missiles "duck". At launch, a rocket reaches a speed of 1300 m / s for a few seconds. The length of the 320 rocket centimeters, weight 74.5 kilogram, weight 20 warhead kilogram. The 57EX6E SAMs are designed to hit air targets at an altitude of 5-15 000 meters and a distance of 1-20 kilometers. Chance to hit - 0.7-0.9. The response time of the complex is up to 6 seconds. Missiles provided with radio command guidance;



- two twin automatic guns 2А38М caliber 30mm. The type of ammunition used - armor-piercing incendiary projectiles. The guns are designed to destroy airborne objects at altitudes up to 3-km and distance to 4-km. Shells have an initial speed 960 m / s. The 5 cannons fire rate is thousands of high / min., In the early 2А72 version, the firing rate did not exceed 700 high / min. 842 gram ammunition weight, 389 gram weight. Guidance is carried out using radar data (PAR) or by means of an infrared sight.

The tower installation bears the armament module, radar, optoelectronic detection systems, the S-band SOC, the navigation system, and the weapons and equipment drives.

The control module has control equipment, communication facilities and additional equipment. It is the calculation of the combat vehicle - the commander of the machine, the gunner, the operator.

A feature of the complex is the possibility of combining a system of multi-channel capture and tracking of air objects with artillery weapons. "Pantsir-С1" can be used for firing at ground objects. To increase the noise immunity of the SU ZUR can change the frequency of radiation with a maximum speed up to 3.5 thousands of IMC / s under the laws of pseudo-randomness in a wide range. The complex has the ability to perform combat missions, both offline and as part of a unit (air defense). The first prototype could fire only from a place. The following, upgraded versions (SU), provided the possibility of firing on the march.

Detection and tracking systems:
- radar station with a phased cm-band antenna array 1PC1-1Е;
- radar stations with phased antenna arrays of cm and mm 1PC2 and 1PC2-1E Helmet ranges for tracking airborne targets and missile guidance;
- an autonomous optical post consisting of an optoelectronic complex with a thermal imaging long-wave receiver (infrared direction finder) for additional target search according to radar detection with the determination of the angular coordinates of objects and missiles. It is applied at any time of the day;
- a central computing complex designed for digital processing of incoming signals and auto-tracking of targets. At the same time it is possible to track two targets for radar and optical-electronic channels. Providing firing at the target with two missiles. The maximum speed of capture of air objects to 10 units per minute;
- Radar module SOTS S-band, designed to detect, recognize and auto-track targets in the presence of active or passive interference in the detection range and tracking more than 40 kilometers. At the same time, target tracking up to 40 units is possible.

Possibilities of combat use of the complex:
- single (autonomous) performance of combat missions - detection, tracking, defeat of targets with their own means, without attracting additional funds;
- performance of combat missions as part of a battery - one of the complexes works as a BM and a gearbox simultaneously. The rest of the complexes (3-5 units) are connected to it in order to get target indications and production for firing targets;
- performance of combat missions as part of a battery with a standard CP - the complexes are connected to the CP, which is in charge of the control center for each complex. ZPRK DB "Pantsir-С1" fire at targets;
- performance of combat missions as part of a battery with a full-time gearbox and early warning radar - the radar issues information to the gearbox, which processes it and issues the target control center to the complexes to carry out fire on targets;
- performance of combat missions in the auto mode by external target designation as a separate combat unit or in a subunit consisting of several BM.

Battery Composition:
- 3-6 BM ZPRK DB "Pantsir-S 1";
- control point (battery);
- 1-3 TZM from the calculation of the machine on the 2 BM. TZM performed on the chassis KAMAZ-6560. It is provided with manipulators (crane type). Carry stock - 24 transport container with missiles and artillery kits;



- training equipment;
- maintenance and repair tools which include MRTO (technical support machine);
- tuning machine (alignment) of the systems and complexes Pantyr-С1.



Modifications of the complex:
- ZPRK "Roman" - the first prototype, made on the chassis Ural-5323-20. Created in 1994;
- ZPRK 96K6 - serial version, made on the chassis of KAMAZ-6560. Created in 2005 year.
- ZNRK 30YU6 “Armor – С1-О” - remodeling version 96K6 “Armor-С1”. No tracking radar, optical control system installed weapons.
- “Pantsir-С1” of stationary version - a draft version of ZPRK without a chassis;
- “Pantsir-S1E” ZTRK - ZNRK 96K6 “Pantsir-S1” of export purpose, made on the MAN chassis. Used equipment of foreign manufacture. SAM - 9М311;
- “Pantsir-2E” ZTRK is a special model developed in 2006 year. Tracking radar with improved parameters;
-ZPRK 96K6-1 "Armor-С1" (BM 72В6Е) - a modification of the complex, made on the chassis "BAZ-6909-019";



- The Pantsir-C1 radar station with the S-band radar module. The prototype of the complex according to the TZ MO RF TsKBA. Successfully passed the test in the middle of the year 2011.
- ZPRK "Pantsir-M" (Palitsa) - ship modification of the complex. Prototype development in progress. It is expected to install complexes on the TKR 11435 project, approximately up to 6-TPRK. Installation is planned for the modernization of TAKR.
- The Pantsir-ME ZRSR is an export modification of the Pantsir-M ZPRK.

Reporting dates:
- 2008 year - adoption for service in the Armed Forces;



- 2010 year - the Air Force of the Russian Federation receives the 10-m of the missile defense system "Pantsir-C1";



- 2010 year - the manufacturer received orders with a total value of 2.5 billion dollars, which corresponds to a minimum of 175 units Pantyr-С1;
- August 2012 of the year - scheduled to be fired at the Pantsir-С1 complexes at the Ashuluk training ground.
Export shipments:
- Algeria - it is planned to deliver 38 complexes to 2016;



- Iran - probably is armed with 10 complexes "Pantsir-C1E";
- Morocco - an order was made for the 50 of the Pantsir-C1E complexes;
- UAE - from 50 complexes at the time delivered about 30 units. Expected closing order this year;



- Oman - probably is armed with about 12-t complexes "Pantsir-S1E."
- Syria - is in service with about 36 units PTR-C1E. 22.06.2012 of the year from the Syrian anti-missile defense missile "Pantsir-C1E" shot down a Turkish intelligence officer "RF-4E";

The main characteristics of the ZRPK 96K6:
- estimated cost (export) - 13-14.7 million dollars;
- combat weight - 20 000 kilogram (depending on the chassis);
- combat crew - three people;
- translation into a firing position - less than 5 minutes;
- reaction time of the complex - no more than 6 seconds
- detection range over 36 kilometers;
- tracking distance more than 30 kilometers;

Cannon-rocket armament:
two twin anti-aircraft machine 2А38М
- ammunition - 1400 shots;
- effective range of destruction to 4-x kilometers;
- fire speed (total) - 5 thousand high / min;
- ammunition - armor-piercing incendiary;
12-guided anti-aircraft missiles 57-6-E
- performance - supersonic 2-x speed solid;
- missile guidance - radio command;
- rocket length - 3.2 meter;
- flight speed max / average - 1300 / 700 m / s;
- speed of the target to be hit up to 1000 m / s;
- effective range of 1.2-20 kilometers;
- target height to 15 kilometers;
- caliber –90 / 76 bicalyber;
- weight - 74.5 kilogram;
- BB weight - 5.5 kilogram.


Additional Information:
In 2012, at the open scientific and technical conference of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation and RARAN, the assessment of the Pantsir-С1 system was announced.
The main advantage of the DPRB database "Armor-C 1" - automatic operation.
The main disadvantages according to field testing:
- low possibility of firing air objects flying and maneuvering with the course parameter 2-3 km;
- the possibility of hitting targets flying at speeds of 400 m / s and more (TTX - 1000м / s) was not confirmed;
- at maximum range, fire is conducted on air objects flying at a speed of less than 80 m / s;
- used bikalibernaya missile has guidance errors for actively maneuvering targets;
- not received confirmation of the possibility of destruction of tactical missiles or their units;
- small-scale targeting of missiles;
- ineffective coordination of elements of missiles;
- a noticeable influence of weather conditions on the detection range of air objects;
- overall characteristics and the complete absence of armor will not allow the use of the complex in the forward order of the covered units;
- dimensions of the BM ZPRK BD "Pantsir-С1" do not allow to move it by rail;
- the time required to transfer the complex to the combat position exceeds the stated time by 1.5 times.
- big time of shipment of ammunition with TZM (up to 30 minutes).
- there is no accurate data on the safety of fire of missiles;
- the existence of the possibility of overturning when firing from artillery weapons;
- dependence on import element base;
- tracked complex costs almost 50 per cent more expensive than the wheel variant

Summarized:
- in terms of cost-effectiveness, the Pantsir-С1 is COST;
- Active X-ray means lead to unmasking of the complex;
- it may take more than three years to transfer the REA complex to the domestic element base;
- for the expediency of using "Pantsir-С1" will require a lot of work on the coordination of various programs.


Information sources:
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/197121.html
http://pvo.guns.ru/panzir/index.htm
http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-558.html
http://army.lv/ru/pantsir-s1/703/461
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu50snDorVY
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  1. Isr
    Isr 17 August 2012 09: 36 New
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    Victor Volsky
    Yorktown, Virginia
    Website: volsky.us
    RAID TO SYRIA
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    The destruction of the Syrian nuclear facility in itself dealt a severe blow to the ambitions of Syria and Iran. But, probably, the allies in the anti-American and anti-Israeli coalition were even more shocked by the fact that the Syrian air defense system, considered one of the most powerful in the world, turned out to be absolutely powerless against Israeli aviation. The prestige of Moscow was also seriously affected, for the latest Russian-made air defense equipment is on guard over the Syrian borders. The Iranian military is stunned by how helpless the Russian air defense system turned out to be, on which Iran spent a lot of money for itself and for its impoverished ally Syria. Last summer, the first batch arrived in Damascus as part of a dozen ordered in Moscow anti-aircraft missile and artillery systems “Shell-C1”. The total supply volume is 50 complexes, some of which are probably intended for Iran, if only because Tehran has fully paid for the order worth $ 400 million.
    1. viruskvartirus 17 August 2012 11: 11 New
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      Yes it is necessary to supplement their C-300. I think they’ll manage together ... and it’s advisable to add Tor-M2 there .... and most importantly, the 55Ж6ME multifunctional radar systems and radio reconnaissance stations and passive locations (SRTR) “Valeria” is bigger ... then there will be a lot of order. ..
    2. Stealth
      Stealth 17 August 2012 13: 21 New
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      Actually, really modern air defense systems have already begun to arrive in Syria after of this incident, the same Shell-C1 appeared only in 2008, and Buk-M2 even in recent years. For some reason, the Jewish comrades did not mention this ... And they carried out their raid in advance, obviously not too eager to test the capabilities of the latest air defense systems. Well, with what Syria already had by that time, they had learned to fight quite well.
      In any case, the Shell is not a panacea for all ills, but a short-range complex. It is effective in an air defense system combining various air defense systems, RTV, RTR, electronic warfare systems using modern ACS.
    3. Yars 17 August 2012 14: 15 New
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      Isr are you going to hike a regular Masonic bot, except for nonsense to spread nothing else taught?
      1. Isr
        Isr 17 August 2012 20: 37 New
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        YRS, you were modest, one Jew fighter called me that: "Jewish, Zionist creature." Seeing such comments, I do not even turn to the site administration to remove and punish the offender. Let everyone see the spiritual and mental squalor of the writer. By the way, I often meet the word “campaign”, it is meaningless, and as a rule, not very competent people use it. Can you explain what it is?
        1. slas
          slas 17 August 2012 21: 48 New
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          Quote: Isr
          By the way, I often meet the word - "campaign", it is meaningless,

          The word * campaign * is an analogue of expressions - * looks like * * apparently *. And here is your
          Quote: Isr
          Let everyone see the spiritual and mental wretchedness of the writer

          --- you do not paint well, no matter how hi
        2. saper
          saper 18 August 2012 00: 07 New
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          there are a lot of children on this site! they all know, experts in everything! despite the fact that most mothers do not let go of the army

          take it easy on this site a lot of children! they all know, experts in everything! despite the fact that the majority will not go into the army - mom will not let go laughing
          down here someone wrote "I read on forums tth of this zrk ... "
          although honestly I also do not like Jews)

          take it easy on this site a lot of children! they all know, experts in everything! despite the fact that the majority will not go into the army - mom will not let go laughing
          down here someone wrote "I read on forums tth of this zrk ... "
          although honestly I also do not like Jews)
        3. crazyrom 20 August 2012 07: 58 New
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          Well called! And by the way, what would you do in a hated Germany? They soaked yours for nothing, and you live with them. We would go to our Israel, closer to people like you, it’s probably so good to live there, since they have come there from all over the world.

          In general, this article about Russian weapons, what have you forgotten here? Go to the Israeli forums to discuss your excellent Israeli weapons, do not stop us from discussing ours and we will not stop you from discussing yours.
          1. Isr
            Isr 7 September 2012 13: 48 New
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            Quote: crazyrom
            We would go to my Israel

            I am in my Israel. And it’s really good for us here and not only for us, Arabs from all over the Arab Maghreb and Iranians and Russians from all over Russia have gathered here and who are not here. And all of us are well together, which I also wish you.

            Quote: crazyrom
            This article is about Russian weapons, what have you forgotten here?

            An Israeli plane overcame Russian air defense and gouged the reactor. So this site is perfect.
            If I am bothering you, then forgive generously, step aside and do not take part in our discussion, no one forces you to read unpleasant truths.
    4. Pacifist 17 August 2012 15: 02 New
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      If we were the same moral monsters like you and your masters, then every MIG-25 flying over Tel Aviv would not carry fotics, but bombs and you would not climb out of the basements. I’m telling you like a Russian Jew, I’m telling a brainless idiot.
      1. Isr
        Isr 17 August 2012 20: 40 New
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        Jewish, Zionist creature, brainless Masonic bot - let's get something new, original.
        1. Van
          Van 17 August 2012 23: 00 New
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          Quote: Isr
          let's get something new, original.

          Do not worry! Ahmadinejad will provide you soon.
        2. Nikopol
          Nikopol 18 August 2012 19: 08 New
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          You yourself are Mrs. originality. The Israeli flag next to the flag of Germany - is not this, the height of originality. laughing laughing laughing
        3. Andy 20 August 2012 12: 07 New
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          why did you come here? provoke insults yourself. I was always surprised how you Jews like fairy tales about the Holocaust. why fairy tales will explain. some Jews fought against fascism. honor and glory to them. many Heroes of the Soviet Union. and the other part served as guards in concentration camps and pushed their fellow tribesmen in the crematorium furnace to serve the SS men. a curious page in your story, isn’t it? but you don’t like to remember about it. but how your fellow tribesmen like Novodvorskaya are fighting with our memory, calling our grandfathers, veterans, occupiers. The USSR lost 7 million people in that war — Russians, Belarusians, Ukrainians, Estonians, Jews, and other nationalities. And we remember the fallen regardless of nationality. you have the Holocaust-they say only you died. More drawn to some kind of wild business idea.
          why did I write this? just to remind you how capable of lying. and even I am surprised by your hatred of Russia, because you were not burned there at the cost of the Inquisition in the Middle Ages (as in Spain), nor was there an Auschwitz for you. Against this background, do you personally claim any kind of respect?
          1. Isr
            Isr 7 September 2012 17: 19 New
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            you confused, everything that is said here is about Russians. It was they who served as guards in Nazi camps (up to 70% of the concentration camp workers were Russians), they pushed us in the oven, we remember that. a curious page in your story, isn't it? but you don’t like to remember about it. We lost the most in this war, the highest percentage of deaths among Jews. Your grandfathers occupied all the Baltic countries, half of Poland, Bukovina, part of Finland before the war, and then they took the Jews to the gulag. Why did I write this? Just to remind you how you constantly lie.
            I don’t remember Russia in any way, but the USSR, I remember with horror, if pogroms were constantly staged in old Russia, then in the USSR with its musty, stuffy bone atmosphere I was suffocating, my youth was gone, I had no reason to go, at Moscow State University they didn’t take it, they simply didn’t even listen to my answers, the candidate, which was ready, still at the university, then I couldn’t attach anywhere, nobody wanted to take it, etc. etc.
      2. Isr
        Isr 7 September 2012 17: 04 New
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        You are not a Russian Jew, you are lying, you are an ordinary, ordinary, grayish anti-Semite and fascist. A Russian Jew should have a head on his shoulders, but this is not observed for you, a Russian Jew cannot have even the smallest thought of bombing a peaceful city, and the Nazis have a normal way of thinking. So I figured you out, my anti-Semitic.
        By the way, “the flies flying over Tel Aviv” is also one of the fairy tales that feed you, continue to believe further, life is completely different, all these Russian-speaking flyers who believed in these fairy tales were shot down, and then yours slowly took them away , and it’s a pity, it was necessary to do this in public, and then twist the video with these “heroes” on the Internet. Well, okay, next time we’ll do it.
    5. Esso 17 August 2012 17: 20 New
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      Dear, do not read the Western yellow press, brains will float with fat. Do not write nonsense!
      1. Isr
        Isr 7 September 2012 17: 23 New
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        Dear, do not read the Russian press.
        So there is no other.
        Here is no and do not read and do not write nonsense!
    6. vikruss
      vikruss 17 August 2012 18: 18 New
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      You contradict yourself., Even in your short bluff ... As for <the latest anti-aircraft technology>, ... <the most powerful in the world> you probably went to the Amer school for a long time, they said that and continue to say similar things about the Iraqi company in 1991 of the year. To "win up" a bit of fame for the defeat of the old Soviet technology ... which, by the way, was simply abandoned. The carapace is then part of the new technology, and he got into Syria after the incident. Anyway, the air defense of any country is a whole complex of systems. If a country does not want to acquire protection systems in time ... then you (Isr) can go on talking for a long time, but you deserve nothing more than contempt. fool
    7. slas
      slas 17 August 2012 18: 53 New
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      Oh well it can't be smile
    8. Oleg Rosskiyy
      Oleg Rosskiyy 17 August 2012 20: 44 New
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      Quote: Isr
      Last summer, the first batch arrived in Damascus as part of a dozen ordered in Moscow anti-aircraft missile and artillery systems “Shell-C1”

      Soon the S-400 complex will be delivered to Iran, then the United States will allow you to strike at Iran, and you will feel the difference between a Palestinian shepherd with New Year's firecrackers and a normal army with adequate air defense.
    9. Rossmk 17 August 2012 23: 04 New
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      Yes, because it is necessary to combine them with complexes of the S-300 type. Then they will be effective. Short-range complexes in such "loneliness" do not show their full effectiveness.
    10. Nikopol
      Nikopol 18 August 2012 19: 06 New
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      Loved your post ...
      If you throw out a frank duck, season it at least a little - it’s inedible. (Don’t be friends with mathematics - 50x15 = at least 750 million, not 400 like in your article. And where does poor Syria get “nuclear” technologies from?) It was easier to write that this is a joke ...
    11. Insurgent
      Insurgent 18 August 2012 23: 10 New
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      Put chyusha on the f-4 zits, there was Israeli equipment so that there was still no armor from Syria, and then the Israeli media wrote that the s-300 was
  2. sxn278619
    sxn278619 17 August 2012 09: 57 New
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    All the wars waged by the Arabs show that they do not know how to use their own equipment in manual mode. Therefore, "The main advantage of the air defense system" Pantsir-C1 "is its automatic functioning."
    Pressed a button and jump into the trench.
  3. Pravdoruba
    Pravdoruba 17 August 2012 10: 27 New
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    It is sad if, since 2008 (the adoption of the S-1), "children's sores" and shortcomings have not been eliminated.
  4. viruskvartirus 17 August 2012 11: 07 New
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    I read at various forums the assessments of identified shortcomings and people agree in one half of the said nonsense ... for example - there is no confirmation of the possibility of hitting tactical missiles or their units (this is a slightly short-range complex, you also want to shoot down ballistic targets); -dimensional characteristics and the complete absence of armor protection will not allow the complex to be used in the front ranks of concealed units (put on an armored chassis); - the possibility of hitting targets flying at speeds of 400 m / s and more (TTX - 1000m / s) was not confirmed (so find the targets and shoot); and in general the car is developing and improving (cars for Algeria) and it is MUCH more powerful than the Tunguska ....
    1. Passing
      Passing 17 August 2012 16: 35 New
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      Quote: viruskvartirus
      so find the targets and shoot

      And who should do this? Sergeant Pupkin, Bashar Assad, Pushkin? Or maybe all the same KBP with MO? And if they don’t itch, then maybe the experts aren’t talking nonsense, maybe it is necessary to raise the question more sharply? We have a bunch of anti-aircraft weapons with a stated speed of targets hit at 1000 m / s, but there are no targets for real verification. This is already, as it were, not nonsense, it is already, as it were, not a crime against the country's defense capability!
      1. beard999
        beard999 17 August 2012 20: 09 New
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        there are no targets for real verification

        We have RM with such speeds. This is not a complete list - MR-9ITs-B (983 m / s, min. ESR 0,2 sq. M.), Armavir (1050 m / s, min. EPR 0,1 sq. M.), Korshun (1200 m / s, min. ESR 0,2 sq. M.), “Tit-6” (1200 m / s, min. EPR 0,08 m. Sq.), “Strizh-5” (1200 m / s, min. ESR 0,1 sq. m.), Kaban (1440 m / s, min. EPR 0,015 sq. m.), Strizh-M-1B (1800 m / s, min. EPR 0,1 sq. m. .), "Strizh-M-3" (3000 m / s, min. ESR 0,1 sq. M.).
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          Passing 17 August 2012 21: 06 New
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          Ok, I didn’t know that we have so many of them, so the question is being addressed to the Moscow Region, the question remains for the design bureau - there are targets, have the shell specifications been publicly announced when they deign to confirm the words with deed?
          1. beard999
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            Quote: Passing by
            MO the question is being removed, the question remains for the KBP - there are targets, have the TTX of the Shell been publicly announced when they deign to confirm the words with deed?

            This is not an easy question. First of all, it is not known how reliable the information is that there were no such tests. If you personally believe in this, then the questions should not be asked just at the KBP, namely, the RF Ministry of Defense. The fact is that before the official adoption of the 96K6 into service, the complex went through a full cycle of factory and state tests. Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, what took it into service without confirming the TTX declared by the developer? If so, then this is the problem of the military, not the KBP. But to be honest, I believe in this version, with great difficulty. Knowing the attitude of the current leadership of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation to our defense industry, it would certainly not be silent about the problems of the supplied military hardware. It would sound a trumpet on every corner. There are enough examples. Nevertheless, I have never heard official (!!!) claims against the “Shell” by the RF Ministry of Defense. Moreover, the Ministry of Defense has already purchased 38 BM of this SAM, and plans to purchase more than 100 BM by 2020 http://top.rbc.ru/society/23/01/2012/634401.shtml?print. And it does not seem that the military have claims to this ZRPK on the tests http://www.function.mil.ru/news_page/country/[email protected] Buy "Shell" and other countries. According to open data, about 150 ZRPK were contracted by foreign customers. Dmitriev, in general, assures us that a "line has formed" behind the "Shell" http://www.arms-expo.ru/049056050057124050055051054050.html. I believe this means that the complex is fully consistent with the declared characteristics.
            As for the well-known “report” about the alleged shortcomings of the Pantsir air defense missile system, the representative of KBP at TVM 2012 said to me without hesitation that these were “tricks” of competitors. This means, of course, Almaz-Antey in general and NIEMI in particular with the Tor-M2 air defense system. Moreover, they become competitors not only domestically, but also in the foreign market - in particular in India http://armstass.su/?page=article&aid=105199&cid=25. In my opinion, this fully explains the raids on the "Shell".
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              The idea of ​​"competitors" is "striking", but such methods are not fair competition ...
  5. PLO
    PLO 17 August 2012 11: 45 New
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    IMHO, on the BAZ chassis the shell looks steeper than on the KAMAZ
    and if it is attached to the S-400 regiments, which are all on the BAZ chassis, then there would be unification
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    borisst64 17 August 2012 12: 53 New
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    The author duplicates the concepts of two and paired machine guns, everywhere shows the presence of FOUR anti-aircraft guns, although in reality on the Shell they are TWO and paired with each other, i.e. shoot simultaneously at one target.
    1. Bad_gr 17 August 2012 20: 03 New
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      Quote: borisst64
      The author duplicates the concepts of two and paired machine guns, everywhere shows the presence of FOUR anti-aircraft guns, although in reality on the Shell they are TWO and paired with each other, i.e. shoot simultaneously at one target.

      "..... In the Pantsir-C1 air defense missile system, 30A 2A38 quick-firing double-barreled anti-aircraft guns with tape power are installed (similar to the Tunguska air defense systems), which provide for firing of air targets at ranges up to 4000 m. With a firing rate of up to 5000 rounds per minute and the initial velocity of shells up to 970 m / s, ...... "
      http://www.arms-expo.ru/049051049049124057056050.html

      And that four trunks.
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        Nikopol 18 August 2012 19: 22 New
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        And that 2 trunks ... there are the same pictures, good for them, everything is visible.

        The shell artillery consists of two 30mm 2A72 automatic cannons. Single-barrel guns. Selective nutrition from two cartridge tapes with high-explosive incendiary and armor-piercing shells.
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          Quote: Nikopol
          The shell artillery consists of two 30mm 2A72 automatic cannons. Single-barrel guns. Selective nutrition from two cartridge tapes with high-explosive incendiary and armor-piercing shells.

          Give links to Shell-S with 2A72 guns (firing rate from 330 rds / min)
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          2A72 put on armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles.
          On Tunguska and the Shell there are 2A38 anti-aircraft guns and their further modifications.
          There are 2 automatic weapons on a combat vehicle. Each machine has 2 trunks. Total 4 trunks on each combat vehicle - Pupkin's Arithmetic for the first grade of a parish school.
          See the photo in the article - you can see two trunks on each machine there.
  7. Ratibor12
    Ratibor12 17 August 2012 12: 57 New
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    Quote: Isr
    The destruction of the Syrian nuclear facility in itself dealt a severe blow to the ambitions of Syria and Iran. But, probably, the allies in the anti-American and anti-Israeli coalition were even more shocked by the fact that the Syrian air defense system, considered one of the most powerful in the world, turned out to be absolutely powerless against Israeli aviation.


    A lot of nonsense (for internal use) was written in Paisland and Yusop ... indosia. Everyone is malicious - Vietnam and 1973 cannot forget. And many of their flyers then became deceased. How is it there? - "... a joyful little Arab woman with the top of the head of an Israeli pilot ..."
    And the future may look very different:
    "The destruction of Israel dealt a heavy blow to US positions in the Middle East. But the United States and England were even more shocked by the fact that their satellite, whose army was considered one of the most powerful in the region, was quickly and pitilessly destroyed."

    Anyone who constantly digs holes for others will find himself in a big deep well ... opera pit! And there will be no one to help him out - everyone else has long been sitting in his holes! :)
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    Something will be not enough of them (100 complexes are required)! Yes, such things should cover every airfield, every power station, every long-range air defense system and power! And it would be nice to have them on ships!
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      Shell-M - 2011 year. Marine version ...
  9. Vyalik 17 August 2012 14: 43 New
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    Does anyone know what the speed of reloading the complex?
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      Cooldown: 25-30min / min 1 rocket (Shell) 25-30min / min 4 rockets in the package (Torus) and tracked armor
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        Thank you. I understand that the whole package changes immediately?
        1. viruskvartirus 17 August 2012 21: 58 New
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          "The total reload time of 12 Shell rockets is equal to the total reload time of 8 Thor rockets.
          At the same time, the Shell rockets change “by the piece”, and the Thor rockets change with 4 rocket packages. "Http://forums.airbase.ru/2005/10/p2799626.html
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    and the rest of the troops will be suitable for caterpillar tracks, as the patency is higher !!
  11. Ostwind 17 August 2012 17: 34 New
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    And yet, the demand for this complex on the world market is pleasing.
  12. maxiv1979
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    let's objectively, the radar is not bad, if it was collected by the standards, the crew ... it’s clear, take it ... it’s able to shoot down, planes like f16 are screwed up, the target changes its coordinates dramatically
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    Well, if our advanced development does not put f 16.
    THAT is not a weapon for Russia, but a product for
    third world countries.
  14. maxiv1979
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    it’s not clear ... the platform is not important, but important. Radar and missiles are important, I have no doubt that it will be nice to shoot down, coordination on targets, work on targets of different complexes is important, that’s what you need to do ... now there is f-15 and let's land on it, as in Vietnam.
  15. dojjdik 18 August 2012 10: 24 New
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    on the crawler track-mod "shilka" excellent things especially in 4 mode; with regard to the lack of "detection when the radar is on", it’s also a mobile air defense — didn’t start up like a stump in one place — immediately change the position; even better strobe in motion (experience is needed) the most important thing is that they buy from us and do it right
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    In my opinion, the good promotion of the “Armor” in comparison with the “Thor” and dragging it into service instead of the “Thor” is nothing else. as an indicator of corruption and low professionalism of our MO. By and large, in terms of its performance characteristics, it does not stand close to the “Tor”, especially its latest modifications. This can result in irreparable consequences, God forbid, in which case. But who of the current military is thinking about this? Salvage overshadows common sense. In fact, can a bicaliber missile provide for the defeat of a high-speed maneuvering CC at the far boundary of the RF? And what about the exchange rate parameter ?. It turns out that in order to cover the dead zone of the S-300 or S-400 you need 2 "Torah", and the "Armor" - at least 4-5. The noise immunity of the Pantsyr by scanning a probing signal according to a random law is the day before yesterday. Anyway, the extreme points of the GL in frequency depend on the width of the waveguide wall. Powerful obstruction - and all problems for the IOS have been resolved. One can only regret this choice.
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    maxiv1979 18 August 2012 16: 16 New
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    Quote: okroshka79
    In my opinion, the good promotion of the “Armor” in comparison with the “Thor” and dragging it into service instead of the “Thor” is nothing else. as an indicator of corruption and low professionalism of our MO. By and large, in terms of its performance characteristics, it does not stand close to the “Tor”, especially its latest modifications. This can result in irreparable consequences, God forbid, in which case. But who of the current military is thinking about this? Salvage overshadows common sense. In fact, can a bicaliber missile provide for the defeat of a high-speed maneuvering CC at the far boundary of the RF? And what about the exchange rate parameter ?. It turns out that in order to cover the dead zone of the S-300 or S-400 you need 2 "Torah", and the "Armor" - at least 4-5. The noise immunity of the Pantsyr by scanning a probing signal according to a random law is the day before yesterday. Anyway, the extreme points of the GL in frequency depend on the width of the waveguide wall. Powerful obstruction - and all problems for the IOS have been resolved. One can only regret this choice.


    to the point, although I doubt that a powerful interference without an address will suppress the complex, let's see if we need to run it in ...
  18. okroshka79 18 August 2012 21: 01 New
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    And yet, the mm range of the “Armor” is very critical in terms of attenuation to smoke, drizzle, fog, snowfall, which dramatically reduces the range of its radar channels in terms of distance and, obviously, fire performance. Well, and yet, from the point of view of developing high-speed small-caliber artillery, the Shipunov firm does not have any raids, but there is simply no one to keep pace with the radar part of the air defense system for Almaz-Antey in our country. Here and do not go to the grandmother. By the way, one does not have to be very observant in order not to pay attention to the fact that almost all the videos showing the “Armor” firing at the CC are shown precisely by the firing of its artillery unit. Well and still, somehow "cannon" for a caliber of 30 mm does not sound. They used to be more modest. In particular, the ship "Dagger" was called ZRAK.
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    The carapace is beautiful equipment. And beautiful military equipment cannot be bad.
    Maybe soon we can make sure of it. Of course, if the hot heads of Iran’s neighbor do not cool down repeat
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    Author! It is shameful to write fake materials from the Life.ru web page about a conference that could not be a priori in the Moscow Region in view of secrecy ... And illiterate expressions on the parameters of the product speak of the deceit of the material!