152-mm towed howitzer 2A61 "PAT-B"

The 2А61 howitzer is one of the newest artillery pieces of the Russian army. The howitzer was developed by the State Unitary Enterprise Plant # 9. The first data on 2А61 was published in 97. Its appearance is due to the fact that after the transfer of NATO field artillery to 155 caliber of millimeters, the firepower of the Russian motorized rifle artillery brigades (regiments) equipped with 122-mm howitzers, was inferior to the corresponding forces of the NATO member countries.

The new howitzer, which is classified as a regimental one, was developed on a three-sided modified carriage of an X-NUMX millimeter howitzer D-122. This became possible after installation on the muzzle of the muzzle brake of the latest design, which absorbs most of the energy recoil.

The use of a three-sided gun carriage allows circular fire at vertical angles from -5 to + 70 degrees. The gun carriage is equipped with the shear doshyl mechanism, which allows fire with a rate of fire of up to 8 shots per minute. On the top machine to protect the design from small fragments and bullets weapons there is a light shield cover.

For firing of howitzers are used shots of separate cartridge loading, also used in systems of the same caliber - D-1, D-20 and ML-20. According to its ballistics, it corresponds to the ballistics of the 152-mm howitzer ML-20, developed on charge No. 3.

To translate the 2А61 into the stowed position, the movable beds are reduced to a fixed frame of the mast and fixed. The fixed frame itself and the trunk were connected in the muzzle. For towing was used pivot beam, which is fixed on the muzzle. Translation between combat and marching positions and back seven people trained calculation is performed in two minutes.

Due to the relatively small mass of the howitzer (4,3 thousand kg compared to the 5,65 thousand kg of the D-20 howitzer of the same caliber), it can be towed using the same means of thrust as the X-NUMX-mm howitzer D-122. The maximum speed on the highway at the same time may be 30 km / h.

Based on the 152-millimeter howitzer, the 2-61 developed its version with the 155-millimeter barrel. This option howitzer was export.

Specifications towed howitzer 2A61 "PAT-B":
Calculation - 7 people;
Mass - 4,3 t;
The length in the stowed position - 6360 mm;
Height in the stowed position - 2200 mm;
Width in the stowed position - 1970 mm;
Track - 1840 mm;
The gun - 152-mm rifled howitzer 2А61;
The weight of the OFS shells is 43,56 kg;
Rate of Fire - 6-8 shots per minute;
The initial velocity of the projectile - 540 m / s;
Elevation angle - from -5 to + 70 degrees;
The angle of horizontal guidance - 360 degrees;
The minimum firing range - 4000 m;
Maximum firing range - 15014 m;
Highway towing speed - up to 80 km / h.

Comments

[Prohor]

Is there a photo of this magnificent, in general, howitzer in Chechnya? In Dagestan? At least in military exercises?
They put a lot with the 155 mm barrel for export, huh ?!
Another masterpiece of Russian gunsmiths, which, by tradition, wasn’t needed by Russian pederal generals!

[lotus04]

Quote: Prokhor

Another masterpiece of Russian gunsmiths, which, by tradition, wasn’t needed by Russian pederal generals!

Right! The first time I see this beauty. Well. God grant we will get, and if it is impatient, then accelerated.
Pancake! The photo is 2004! Where is she, in what warehouses is she gathering dust?

[Prohor]

Acceleratedly - it was possible in the Soviet Union, now hardly. If it is in space, the pinnacle of technological progress, and then an endless series of problems has gone, what can we say about a simpler technique.
We have the only turner-drunk at our factory, so we can’t drive them out for drunkenness, because we won’t find another ... Turner !!! Elementary parts, do not believe it - even the bolts! - We bring from China what guns there!

[PLO]

it is not accepted into service for a simple reason - it is not needed!
towed artillery systems are abandoned in favor of self-propelled and there is no place for her in the army

range is relatively small since the gun mounts and possibly the barrel are not designed for a full charge

it’s enough to drive the Papuans through the mountains and the old 122mm d-30 if you really need to, but just for the sake of this it’s pointless to somehow include these guns in the regular staff

you are just like a child, saw a toy and scream GIVE

[curious]

PLO
Papuans are not bad and use 120 mm mortar to "drive", especially with modern mines

[Prohor]

Papuans - and firecrackers with fireworks are possible!
Are we not Papuans themselves for an hour? With a wired connection in the army and tarpaulin boots?

[edge]

don’t drive, boots are universal shoes, socks in boots on the 3rd day of the raid are covered, you have to take 5-6 pairs with you, and the place in the rd needs other equipment.

[DIMS]

It's just that normal boots should be supplied to the troops, not "crocodiles"

[Prohor]

And the fact that a soldier spanks for three days in the 21st century is a sign of civilization? Just the same "Papuanism"!

[Lieutenant colonel]

Do you think wired communications in the US (any other army) are not used at all? If so, then there is one advice - read and learn more. There are books such as the field charter (USA), there are on the Internet.

[lotus04]

Quote: olp

you are just like a child, saw a toy and scream GIVE

Once they did, it means they needed it. Each type of weapon has its own purpose. If "MSTA" is still in the 80s, then this weapon is much younger. Pay attention at least to the muzzle brake. So it was created for some of its tasks.

carriage and possibly the barrel is not designed for a full charge

Interesting you put it. Typically, both the barrel and the gun mount are calculated on a full charge, plus a margin. In your opinion, is this some kind of underfill?

[DIMS]

He expressed himself most likely correctly. It hurts the maximum range is small.

[Lieutenant colonel]

Your commentary and series of guns and sparrows and fish. The range of the system is determined from the need to solve certain fire tasks. Firing tasks are solved to a certain depth of the battle formation of the enemy troops. Attention is the question - if the depth of combat order of the enemy troops is about 10 km in defense, the firing position of their artillery is 3-5 km from the front line - what range do we need? And so, as a lyrical digression, the howitzer replaces the old D-30 old former regimental brigade artillery, and there is still army artillery with the corresponding range of fire, etc.

[DIMS]

Attention is the question - if the depth of combat order of the enemy troops is about 10 km in defense, the firing position of their artillery is 3-5 km from the front line - what range do we need?

And since when did she begin to make 10 km, especially with modern maneuvering defense and offensive? As with reserves, control points and rocket and art. enemy batteries fight?

I don’t even speak about hostilities in local ones; there it is of little use. Neither cover routes, nor work on call intelligence. units - the range is too short, respectively, more batteries are needed, which means more base centers, and therefore more troops.

And so, as a lyrical digression, the howitzer replaces the old D-30 old former regimental brigade artillery, and there is still army artillery with the corresponding range of fire, etc.

In our district, only the DShBr had D-30s. The motorized rifle regimental artillery was represented by 2S3. As for "and there is also an army" - look at the number and state of art. brigades, you will understand everything yourself.

[Lieutenant colonel]

Maneuvering defense is used in cases where it is possible to leave part of the territory, positional - when leaving the territory is not acceptable. I'm sorry, I didn’t hear about offensive maneuvers.
The maneuvering defense of the enemy (we say the enemy - we mean the NATO bloc) is built on the principle of several lines deep in depth, firing ambushes and deep echelon fire of missile forces and artillery, the lines of attack of army and front-line aviation, the lines of operations of the POS and anti-tank forces (in general, like in positional defense, the depth is greater). The depth of defense of the PB, BCH is up to 3 km, along the front it can be 2-2.5 km, the depth of inter-position space can be up to 3 km, the second echelon can also be up to 3 km deep (depending on where the MBBR operates, in this case the USA) and I think you count it yourself. The Germans have slightly less standards.
In the glorious DVO D-30 were also at the motorized rifle, I emphasize, they were. Now there is in the OVDBr. I don't know more about the staff of the art brigades of the new look. In the mountains, the D-30 was also used with good results. And "base centers" somehow did not set, there were enough firing positions of batteries, very rarely a division. But the question is - who intelligence agencies are you going to support? Which link? To answer this question, it is necessary to know the zones of action of the reconnaissance bodies, which are of different sizes for the reconnaissance of the brigade, army and front. The range of actual fire D-30, 2S3 is enough to support brigade reconnaissance. What other comments will there be?

[uncle gosh]

I would like to know the armament of the art brigades, in connection with the constant statements about the transition to self-propelled artillery. But in the 26th art the self-propelled divisions were taken away, since not a single crew could shoot at the breakthrough! And the divisions, the corps are just for that.

[PLO]

Once they did, it means they needed it. Each type of weapon has its own purpose. If "MSTA" is still in the 80s, then this weapon is much younger.

read Victor’s comment below, he saw her back in '85
back in the 80s, the 122mm caliber was considered unpromising and a decision was made to transfer the entire howitzer artillery to 152mm
It was to replace the 122mm D-30 that Pat-B was developed, the requirements for it were the same as for the D-30, lightness, air mobility, etc.

Interesting you put it. Usually, both the barrel and the gun carriage are designed for a full charge,

read the article carefully
the carriage was taken from 122mm d-30 with minimal modifications, the ballistics from the d-20 were on charge 3, but still I had to make a new high-performance muzzle brake so that the carriage would not fall apart

the howitzer was developed as a regiment so the range of 15 km fully met the requirements of that time

with amers, by the way, on m777 and the barrel is longer and the carriages are stronger due to some sophisticated recoil devices + use of titanium
naturally the price is much more


now the USSR is gone, there are no more regiments, the army is smaller, the decision was made to make the artillery all self-propelled, there is no place for it in the current army, except maybe the airborne forces, but it seems to me that the Ministry of Defense itself has not decided how to reform the airborne forces, therefore

[Su24]

Amer actively use a similar M777 and are not going to remove it from service.

[DIMS]

M777 is absolutely not the same. And much easier and normal firing range

[Baron Wrangell]

In our country, the D-30 was called the "Armenian cannon", since it drove backwards when towed by a breech, unlike the artillery booked behind the bed. And finally it was a wonderful weapon!
I think on the field to each trunk there is always a shot!

[January]

Something Americans are just increasing the production of their analogues - see M777.
Because you can quickly transfer helicopters.

[Sober]

Prohor,

If we are already in astronautics, the pinnacle of technological progress, and then an endless series of problems has begun, what can we say about a simpler technique.

Well, yes, yes, yes, if there are problems in the overly complex space program, then there will be difficulties in the manufacture of matches))) Well, you compared .. there are no words!

[Prohor]

You would read further about the turner and bolts!
And my comparison is quite adequate: if what was done according to the highest category, went into the "average", then the "average" (at the level of guns) category in our country - generally no longer, it went into the minus!
I work at an industrial enterprise, there is a lot of technology - I know what I'm talking about.

[Victor]

Quote: lotus04

Pancake! The photo is 2004! Where is she, in what warehouses is she gathering dust?

I'll upset you even more. The first time I saw this gun in 1985 year, as a fourth-year cadet at the Kolomna Artillery School. This year, three newest prototypes of that time, towed versions of SPRUT, PAT and MSTA, were brought to our school at the department of artillery armament. The guns were in a special building under seven locks. They were shown to us with the windows closed with blackout curtains, and the records were kept only in secret notebooks. So here.

[curious]

Unfortunately, the next Soviet backlog dusting in the backyards

[DIMS]

Were you in the "high-rise"? They threw out everything except 2C19

[Victor]

Quote: DIMS

Were you in the "high-rise"? They threw out everything except 2C19

No, in the hangar near the back gate, where there is access to the church and the airborne complex.

[DIMS]

I know. By our time, the hangar has been turned into a utility room for the "iron chair".

In vain the school was dispersed. We Shumeev was the head, the best teachers from the Ukrainian artillery to himself.

[Civil]

maybe the range is still right .. with the corresponding BP

[avdkrd]

Quote: Prokhor

Another masterpiece of Russian gunsmiths, which, by tradition, wasn’t needed by Russian pederal generals!

What is a masterpiece? 4000 M MAXIMUM RANGE ????? MASS 4300KG ???? 43,56KG WEAPON WEIGHT ???? MASTERPIECE??? What are the advantages of this masterpiece over the mortar? An example of a mortar of the 1947 model SKB-21:
weight - 1470 kg
range -750 - 8040m
the mass of the shell (mines) - 41,14 kg
Of course, the rate of fire is below 3-5 rounds per minute, but look at the mass and cost (it seems to me even 3 mortars will be cheaper than 1 howitzer)

[BlitzZ]

Of course, I understand that so many years have already passed, but it says in black and white that the maximum range is just over 15 km and the rate of fire is 6-8 rounds per minute. What did you read?

[maxiv1979]

mix the enemy with shit ... bravo!

[Skiff]

Clear fluff, a bag of St. TNT will arrive at 15 km and even the badges will not be found

[Ilhar]

It seems to me that this howitzer is not being adopted because it has a maximum firing range of 2.5 times lower than that of similar NATO models.

[Nicholas C.]

This is a regimental gun. She doesn’t need to shoot further.

[Ilhar]

Well, first of all, there are no regiments in the RF NE, except for the Far East.
Secondly, even before, divisional artillery didn’t shoot further than 20 km.
Thirdly, I do not know the towed, barreled artillery models, armed with the RF NE, firing at a distance of at least 30 km.

[Lieutenant colonel]

There are no regiments in the Far East either.

[Ilhar]

But what about the 18th division in the Kuril Islands?

[Lieutenant colonel]

May God grant them to remain a division further. Good mix. But the fate they have is the same as say 130, 127, etc. pulad. Unfortunately.

[Brother Sarych]

It looks great, but the firing range is really not enough for such a caliber!
It’s somehow wrong to give the enemy nearly ten kilometers of advantage in the range of fire ...

[DIMS]

They wanted to create a compact lightweight artillery system, most likely for the Airborne Forces. At the same time sacrificed range

[Pinochet000]

By modern standards, to be objective, the firing range of 15km

for this caliber is not relevant (counter-battery merges only because of range), but if you fight in the mountains with partisans, then the norms ... IMHO. 2C1-15,2km (122mm) 1970, 2C3-24km (152mm) was produced since 1967.

[DIMS]

Still, 2C3 and 2C19 are better for partisans. The peculiarity of such actions is artillery in base centers, sometimes displayed on a half-direct and direct fire. Self-propelled in this case is more convenient

[edge]

you see you didn’t have to run uphill, in the mountains the abortion needs a strong ammunition

[DIMS]

You can shoot smoke, if the gap is lost.
True, defenders will start yelling about the inhuman use of white phosphorus. Israelis burned this chip

[Su24]

What if an active rocket is used?

[Prohor]

Octopus - it is clear who, Msta-river, and PAT - what is it?

[Brother Sarych]

And look at the title of the article?

[Prohor]

So I ask - what does this word from the name of a howitzer mean?

[DIMS]

The title is harsh truth

[Prohor]

Bravo, DIMS! Now I understand !!!

[E.S.A.]

Pat - regimental artillery mattress.

[Mikhado]

Great thing. At the level, or perhaps better, of the world analogues of this class. Here, recently, an article about a British howitzer was - there is an OPEN sector of horizontal aiming near the ground ... but comment. As for the range - this thing can be thrown by a helicopter into a place inaccessible to a conventional gun - an island in the middle of swamps, a mountain platform, etc., from where it SUDDENLY opens fire, being closer to the enemy and having, possibly, more favorable sectors of fire. Again, the range, apparently, for a conventional projectile, is the same with the bottom gas generator, and ARS - that’s a larger range.

[Pinochet000]

Quote: Mikhado

At the level, or perhaps better, of the world analogues of this class

Watching what kind of conflict we are considering, compare with the M777A2, for example, simply artillery of such a caliber will be calculated primarily with the help of artillery radars and instrumental reconnaissance tools, which have been developing very rapidly lately ..... again ... IMHO. And PAT-B Towed, the position to change, like self-propelled guns, does not work ... IMHO

[Mikhado]

Who do you love more - dad or mom? Who is stronger - a whale or an elephant?

Comparison of HEAVY SPG and airborne guns is just as funny. Each has its own niche and task.

[DIMS]

This "Pat" is heavy for air transportable ones.

[edge]

not a good machine, two camels are easily extended

[DIMS]

But the Mi-8 on the external sling is not.

[Lieutenant colonel]

"PAT-B" can be transported on an external sling Mi-8 MTV, naturally without power supply. Therefore, it is airmobile, which cannot be said about art. systems on the armor base. In general, the dispute is stupid - artillery is needed both trailed and self-propelled and it should perform its tasks and not be "universal". An airmobile brigade cannot be created without trailed implements.

[Swag]

This is an export option.

[SMUTIAN]

They say D - they wrote off 30ku, and 155mmku is not yet new
put into service, it turns out.

Although the campaign from D - 30tok we still naughty and naughty

[DIMS]

Yes, they were not written off anywhere, as they were in service in the Airborne Forces and DShBr, and they are. There is nothing to replace them, and "Pat-B" is not an option.

[Prohor]

Yeah! AK, RPG-7, D-30 and T-72 - it's forever, it seems!
Even as a child in "Serving the Soviet Union!" I saw all this, I am already forty - now the children see it. You look, and great-grandchildren will get it ...

[DIMS]

The towed guns live long. ML-20 born in 1937 is still fully operational, and no one complains.

[edge]

Prokhor, good weapons always live long and faithfully serve.

[Prohor]

But who argues with this ?!
And the flint axes of the Proto-Slavs were good, and the akinaki of the Scythians, and Chokhov's "Unicorn", and the "three-line"!
But samsara is so arranged that there is nothing eternal in it, and the good is always replaced by the better. But in Russia, the next change is delayed, in my opinion.
And the fact that we were always a little ahead in armament allows us to stay afloat, but, it seems, is already a little behind the rest ...
I was very glad to be mistaken !!!

[maxiv1979]

howitzer is not bad, only the better than those that are in service is not clear

[Sober]

howitzer is not bad, only the better than those that are in service is not clear

caliber

[Nikodim72]

But are they in service with the Russian Federation and how many of them do not mean ..?

[Prohor]

Since it is unknown, it means there is none of it, a couple of exhibits.

[Sober]

good gun, only an old 90s release! although relevant and right now) but what about the ammunition, can you use the new on it?

[Dnepropetrovsk]

Artillery is the god of war, do not forget this.

[Russen barbar]

Artillery is distributed in power depending on the size of the connection.
Very weak in the battalion, weak in the regiment, medium in the division, strong in the corps, very strong in the reserve of the main command.
152 mm howitzer 2A61 - regimental gun. It weighs less (4,4 tons) and less in size (6,4 m). Not the most long-range. Up to 15 km with OFS. For AR OFS are not given. Either there is no data, or shells.
The 152 mm howitzer 2A65 is a divisional gun. It weighs more (7 tons) and more in size (12,7 m). Already a full 25 km with OFS (29 km with AR OFS).
Compared to the 122 mm howitzer D-30, the 152 mm howitzer 2A61 is 1 ton heavier, 60 cm higher and 1 meter longer.
The firing range of 122 mm D-30 in the OFS is 15 km, in the AR of the OFS - 22 km.
What's the point? The U.S. Army received a 155mm howitzer M777. It replaces the old 155-mm Medium Towed Howitzer M198, which was 1 in 1 similar to our 152 mm 2A65 in size, weight, and ballistics. The new M777 in size and ballistics as 2A65, but in weight already as 2A61. Our industry cannot achieve such ease, so in firing from 155 mm the M777 will have to compete in 152 mm 2A65, and in mobility in 152 mm 2A61.

[Sergei N 58912062]

It is possible that it is this gun that will be installed on the second version of the Zauralets-D SAO.