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Armored vehicles of Germany in the Second World War. Heavy tank Pz Kpfw VI Ausf In "Tiger II" (Sd Kfz 182)

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Armored vehicles of Germany in the Second World War. Heavy tank Pz Kpfw VI Ausf In "Tiger II" (Sd Kfz 182)
Tanks Pz.Kpfw. VI Ausf. In "Tiger II" of the 503rd battalion of heavy tanks during exercises at the Miley-le-Camp training ground in France in September 1944



Following the trend of improving the allies' tanks (first of all, the Soviet Union) in terms of increasing armor protection, the German command reasonably wished to strengthen tank weapons by adapting the strongest field towed 88-mm anti-tank guns adopted by 1943 for the year and better known as 43 XTNX and Cancer 43 / 41 (Panzerabwehrkanone). An armor-piercing projectile (weight 10,2 kg) produced from these guns with an initial speed of 1000 meters per second pierced 2 millimeters thick at an angle of 132 degrees to the normal at a distance of 30 thousand meters, and even more sub-caliber - more.

The technical specification for the car, which exceeded the "Tiger" in firepower and other parameters, was issued in August 1942 by Henschel and Porsche design offices, that is, long before the final development of the KwK43 gun. An important requirement was the rational location of the corps armor plates as on Soviet T-34 tanks.

F. Porsche and E. Aders again began the competition, whose car will be recognized as the best. As before, Porsche lost. He simply began to customize the Tiger to the new requirements. On the tank "type 180" in the turret, shifted forward, the designer offered to install the 150-mm cannon (L / 37) or 105-mm with the barrel length 70 klb. However, soon he left this venture and began to create VK4502 (P). But the great need for scarce materials, such as copper, put a cross on this tank.

The first sample of Aders was also rejected, but the second machine VK4503 (H) was adopted. The prototype was made in October 43-th year. True, Aders was asked to include in the car some successful constructive findings of the MAN company, which at that time was working on the Pz Kpfw Panther II. The customer required to unify the next generation of serial machines.


Variants of a heavy tank VK 4502 designed by Porsche with front and rear turret placement


Heavy tank Pz Kpfw VI Ausf In "Tiger II" with a Porsche Tower


Heavy tank Pz Kpfw VI Ausf B "Tiger II"


The layout of the heavy tank Pz Kpfw VI Ausf In "Tiger B"


Production of tanks Pz Kpfw VI Ausf In the "Tiger II" Sd Kfz 182 (in the domestic literature known as the "Royal Tiger"), began in January 44-th year. At the beginning, two “sixs” left the assembly line of the Henschel company. Despite this, the Royal Tiger 1944 tanks were launched in 377, and 45 machines were launched from January to March in 112. Maximum production per month - 84 tank - accounted for August 44-th year. In total, 489 "Royal Tigers" was built.

The first 50 Pz Kpfw VI Ausf B had streamlined towers designed by Porsche. The base of the commander's turret protruded beyond the side wall of the tower. Noticeable "zaman" created a rounded frontal part of the tower. This specific term subtly characterized the main drawback of the design: the projectile, which fell into the sloping armor, ricocheted down and punched a thin cover of the hull. Since July, the cars of 44 of the year have begun to complete with a simpler tower of the Aders design, which in the frontal part had 185-mm armor instead of 100-mm at the Porsche tower.

In addition to the powerful gun, the Tiger II was distinguished by its booking and rational hull form. The upper front sheet, having a thickness of 150 millimeters, was set at an angle 50 ° to the vertical.

The 100-mm bottom sheet was installed at the same angle. On 25 degrees, the upper side walls were inclined, on 30 degrees, fodder armor plates, the lower ones were located vertically. The thickness of the hull walls was - 80 millimeters, the roof and the bottom - 40-42 millimeters; stern and sides of the tower - 80 millimeters. Sheet stern had a slope 21 degree. However, homogeneous armor (had a lower content of alloying additives due to a deficit associated with the loss of the Ukrainian raw material base) was inferior in terms of the projectile resistance of the armor used earlier on Elefants and Tigers. Before welding, the armor plates were connected in a complex way with the help of spikes, “dovetail” and the like.

The third part of the ammunition - 22 projectile unitary charge in a horizontal position - located in the stern large niche of the tower near the breech of the gun. This, together with the loading mechanism, facilitated the work of the loader and increased the combat rate of fire.

"Royal Tigers" were equipped with high-quality optical devices. The tank commander also had a panoramic artillery sight. Consequently, the firing range is now limited to only the maximum angle of elevation of the gun - 15 degrees (for comparison, the “Elephant” - 14 degrees., The “Tiger” - 10 degrees.).

In contrast to the "Panther" and "Tiger" tower did not have a polycom. The mechanical drive of the rotation of the tower (as in the "Tigre") was complemented by hydrostatic. The commander and the gunner could control the tower.

To reduce the gas content of the fighting compartment, there was a system for purging the bore of the cannon with compressed air after the shot before the shutter opened. The commander's turret was similar to the Panther turret. Through the hatch, made in the rear of the tower, made the replacement of the barrel of the gun, loaded ammunition. In addition, he served to leave the tank in an emergency. In the rectangular door there was a pistol embrasure.

German paratroopers ride on the armor of the tank Pz.Kpfw. VI Ausf. B "Tiger II" ("Royal Tiger") during the offensive in the Ardennes


In the stern there was a power plant - “Maybach” HL230P30, the same as on the “Panther”. “Tiger” transmissions differed from each other only in some details: on the Ausf B, the turning mechanism lacked two degrees of freedom for straight-line movement. To control the rotation mechanism served as hydraulic steering wheel; backup was a mechanical drive.

More significant were the differences in the chassis. Dual rollers, having internal depreciation and a chess arrangement, did not enter the intervals with the neighboring blocks, but alternated on short and long axes of balancers. Suspension - single, torsion bar. The first and ninth nodes had hydraulic shock absorbers. Combat track width - 800 millimeters. When being transported by railways, they were replaced by narrow 660 vehicles with millimeters, external rollers were removed. The upper branches of the tracks were covered with screens that protected the machine from the cumulative projectiles.

In a duel battle, the Royal Tiger surpassed all tanks used in World War II. He had the greatest combat weight - 68 tons. Commander tanks were equipped with additional. radio station.

New tanks armed heavy tank battalions of the Wehrmacht and the SS troops. They fought on the Western and Eastern fronts, especially intensely in the 44 year in the Ardennes and in Poland. The last time these vehicles participated in the battle in the March 45 offensive in Hungary in the Lake Balaton region, where most of the Tiger II was destroyed by the Red Army.

Technical characteristics of the heavy tank Pz Kpfw VI Ausf In "Tiger II":
Year of manufacture - 1944;
Combat weight - 68000 kg;
Crew - 5 man;
Main dimensions:
Housing length - 7260 mm;
Length with a gun forward - 10260 mm;
Width - 3760 mm;
Height - mm 3080;
Security:
The thickness of the armor plates of the frontal part of the body (angle of inclination to the vertical) - 150 mm (50 degrees);
The thickness of the armor plates of the hull sides (inclination to the vertical) - 80 mm (25 degrees);
The thickness of the armor plates of the frontal part of the tower (angle of inclination to the vertical) - 180 mm (9 degrees);
The thickness of the armor plates of the roof and the bottom of the case is 40 mm;
Armament:
Brand gun - KwK43;
Caliber - 88 mm;
Barrel length - 71 CPB .;
Ammunition - 72 shot;
The number of machine guns - 2;
Caliber - 7,92 mm;
Ammunition - 5850 cartridges;
Mobility:
Type and make of engine - "Maybach" HL230P30;
Engine power - 700 l. with.;
Maximum speed on the highway - 35 km / h;
Fuel stock - 860 l;
Cruising on the highway - 170 km;
The average ground pressure is 1.07 kg / cm2.

German tank Pz.Kpfw. VI Ausf. B "Royal Tiger" rides along the column of captured American soldiers in Belgium


A Hungarian soldier smokes along with a member of the machine gun crew of the SS of the tank Pz.Kpfw. VI Ausf. B "Tiger II". Hungary. End of December 1944 of the year


The crew of one of the German heavy tanks Pz.Kpfw. VI Ausf. B “Royal Tiger” of the 503 heavy tank battalion in Budapest, during Operation Panzerfaust


German heavy tank Pz.Kpfw. VI Ausf.B “The Royal Tiger” from the 503 heavy tank battalion in Budapest, during the operation “Panzerfaust”


German and Hungarian soldiers at the tank Pz.Kpfw. VI Ausf. B “Royal Tiger” from the 503 heavy tank battalion in Budapest, during Operation Panzerfaust. In October 1944 of the year, the Germans, fearing the loss of the oilfields of Hungary, carried out a coup d'etat in Budapest, as a result of which power passed to Ferenc Salashi


Tiger II (Pz.Kpfw VI Ausf. B "Tiger II" with a Porsche Tower) of the 1 Company of the 503 Tank Battalion (1./sPzAbt 503), burnt by the crew. The tank from the 503 th battalion was towed by the “Bergepanter” (evacuation vehicle based on the Panther tank), from which this photograph was taken


German heavy tank "Tiger II" wounded in Germany


Downed German tank Pz.Kpfw. VI Ausf. B "The Royal Tiger" ("Tiger II") with the Soviet trophy number 300. The tank has traces of fire - detachment of the coating "zimemer" on the tower


Shot in board Pz.Kpfw VI Ausf. B “Tiger II”, tactical number of 331, commander of 3 company Rolf von Westernhagen of 501 th battalion of heavy tanks, operating as part of the SS 1 th tank corps. Padded with battery SU-100 under the command of Captain Vasilyev (1952 th self-propelled artillery regiment). On board, you can see the number (93) of the Soviet trophy team. Hungary, Lake Balaton area


Senior Lieutenant Kirill Derevyanko - Assistant front-line cameraman Nikolai Prozorovsky - at the downed German heavy tank Pz.Kpfw. VI “Tiger II” during the Balaton operation.


German heavy tank Tigr II, stuck in wet meadows. The surroundings of the Czech city of Trebon. May 1945 g


German heavy tank Pz.Kpfw. VI Ausf. B “Royal Tiger” from the 501 Heavy SS Tank Battalion (SS-Pz.Abt. 501), shot down on Rue Haut Rivage in the Belgian city of Stavelot


Downed German tank Pz.Kpfw. VI Ausf. B "Royal Tiger" №321 from the 502-th tank battalion with a gun from the tank "Panther".
On the morning of 28.03.1945, during a German counterattack near the village of Küstrin-Kitz (Küstrin-Kietz), the tank hit a mine, lost its course, but continued firing from a cannon. As a result, he was finished off with a trophy "faustpatron"; only one person remained alive from the crew.
Unusual tank armament is associated with difficulties supplying German troops in the last months of the war. Instead of the damaged original gun during the repair, a gun from the Panther tank was installed.


Soviet officers inspect the destroyed heavy tank Pz.Kpfw. VI Ausf. B "Royal Tiger" from an unidentified unit. The right officer has a cavalry Hungarian saber in his hands. Balasnodi Road - Armat, Hungary


Heavy tank Pz.Kpfw. VI Ausf. B “The Royal Tiger” of the commander of the 3 Company of the heavy tank battalion “Feldhernhalle”, abandoned near the city of Székesfehérvár. The number of the Soviet trophy team "333"


Heavy tank Pz.Kpfw. VI Ausf. B "Royal Tiger" from the 501-th SS Heavy Tank Battalion, stuck and destroyed by Soviet artillery. The number of the Soviet trophy team "95". Lake Balaton District


Heavy tank Pz.Kpfw. VI Ausf. B "Royal Tiger" from the 509 th heavy tank battalion captured by Soviet troops. The tank was abandoned without fuel, but the car was fully operational. White paint on the tank caused by Soviet soldiers to avoid a collision with a tank of vehicles during night driving. Budapest district


American soldiers on the captured German tank "Royal Tiger". The Royal Tiger with the tactical number 2-11 from s.Pz.Abt 506 was lost by the Germans 15 in December 1944 a day before the start of the Ardennes offensive. The tank was repaired by the American 129 repair battleground


General Eisenhower, commander of the Allied forces in Europe, and a German heavy tank Tiger II in the area of ​​the city of Shambua in France. "Falez boiler"
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  1. Civil
    Civil 17 August 2012 09: 09 New
    +1
    for the main battle tank, 68 tons are heavy, 88 mm caliber is small, 35 km and the speed failed ...
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 17 August 2012 09: 39 New
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      Quote: Civil
      88 mm caliber is small


      Then there were no competitors 8-8, the 88-mm KwK 43 cannon is one of the world's best tank guns of the Second World War. At a distance of 1500 m, its armor-piercing projectile penetrated 215-mm armor, that is, within the range of a direct shot (for the Central European theater of operations, this is 1800 m), it was capable of hitting any Soviet, American or English tank. at a distance of 2,5 km, it penetrated Sherman and T-34 tanks through the tower of the Tiger-B tank, an 88-mm cannon pierced right through from a distance of 400 m.

      without sighting, the Royal Tiger hit targets at a distance of up to 2000 meters, and on standing tanks could fire at distances of up to 4000 meters. The accuracy of the battle with the 88-mm KwK 43 gun was very high: the average deviation of the armor-piercing projectile of the aiming point when shooting from a standpoint at a distance of 1000 m did not exceed 260 mm vertically and 210 mm horizontally.

      The best performance was only the Soviet gun D-25T heavy tank IS-2 - respectively 170 and 270 mm.
      1. Kars
        Kars 17 August 2012 10: 09 New
        +4
        There was another 105 mm gun --- but with it the Tiger 3 / E-75/90 was planned

        The biggest drawback is the lack of a powerful engine, and the line-up with a front transmission compartment.

        And as a tank destroyer, he proved his effectiveness.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 17 August 2012 10: 51 New
          0
          Is the IS-2's performance worse?
          1. Kars
            Kars 17 August 2012 10: 53 New
            +1
            Quote: Krasnodar
            Is the IS-2's performance worse?

            Which ones?
            IS and CT are slightly different purposes and concept tanks.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 17 August 2012 11: 04 New
              0
              The thickness of the armor, its quality, power, power reserve, and so on ... Where can I read about this? I read somewhere that a sufficiently powerful gun (100 mm?) Lost German in rate of fire, since it was with separate loading? And the commander’s review was worse?
              And what was the difference between the concept of their combat use?
              1. Kars
                Kars 17 August 2012 11: 10 New
                +1
                Quote: Krasnodar
                Where can I read about it?

                http://www.battlefield.ru/
                http://www.achtungpanzer.eu/

                Even here you can find through a search.
                Quote: Krasnodar
                (100 mm?)

                122 mm

                The validator still read the mat part (this is without a hindrance)
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 17 August 2012 11: 39 New
                  0
                  Thank! Read it! A lot of conflicting information, unfortunately ... I realized the difference in the concept!)))
      2. Diesel
        Diesel 17 August 2012 20: 51 New
        0
        Quote: Vadivak
        At a range of 1500 m, her armor-piercing projectile pierced 215 mm armor

        This is apparently the data on the "Too optimistic (c)" German method of measuring armor penetration .....
    2. Tirpitz
      Tirpitz 17 August 2012 09: 54 New
      +1
      I would say that the quality of the armor failed (it was low in the last years of the war), although I did not notice a penetration in the photos in the forehead.
      1. Kars
        Kars 20 August 2012 20: 44 New
        0
        Quote: Tirpitz
        although I didn’t notice breaking through the forehead in the pictures
  2. maxiv1979
    maxiv1979 17 August 2012 09: 59 New
    0
    the gun is really not bad, the effect is only for the shells, and the crew’s shell shock from getting and not penetrating is doubtful, the projectile is lightweight, the caliber is small.
    Quote: Vadivak
    without sighting, the “Royal Tiger” hit targets at a distance of up to 2000 meters, and on standing tanks could fire at distances of up to 4000 meters


    I won’t argue about the accuracy of the battle, but these numbers cause a lot of doubt, especially when compared with the effective ranges of modern tank guns with much larger initial projectile speeds
    1. Kars
      Kars 17 August 2012 10: 10 New
      0
      Quote: maxiv1979
      especially when compared with the effective ranges of modern tank guns with much larger initial projectile velocities

      And about the thickness of the armor of the opposing tanks did not forget?
    2. borisst64
      borisst64 17 August 2012 13: 31 New
      0
      Quote: maxiv1979
      modern tank guns with much larger initial projectile velocities


      Now the tank guns are smooth, rifled more long-range.
    3. lelyk72
      lelyk72 7 September 2012 10: 03 New
      0
      The royal tiger has a muzzle velocity of 1000m / s. Tell me, which gun has a "much higher" muzzle velocity today, and what exactly is this speed ??????
      1. Kars
        Kars 7 September 2012 10: 26 New
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        Quote: lelyk72
        which gun has an initial speed today


        The average 1600 m / s in modern 120-125 mm guns.
        1. lelyk72
          lelyk72 7 September 2012 11: 14 New
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          1. Please do not forget that we are talking about conventional shells, we do not take into account any effective missiles ....
          2. What is the model of the tank and the model of the gun, and, if possible, a reference .........
  3. Kostyanich
    Kostyanich 17 August 2012 10: 13 New
    +1
    I wonder how to tow such monsters to tow for repair
    especially if the harp has flown
  4. Pacifist
    Pacifist 17 August 2012 10: 20 New
    +2
    Symbolically, the Americans painted a star on the forehead of a tiger.
    In general, a serious car. Good German. Although the enemy was, but strong and talented.
    1. Stas57
      Stas57 17 August 2012 11: 39 New
      +1
      and what is symbolism?
      1. Pacifist
        Pacifist 17 August 2012 15: 11 New
        +3
        On the frontal sheet of a tiger, a star is hung upside down ... an inverted pentogram symbol of the devil ...
  5. maxiv1979
    maxiv1979 17 August 2012 10: 41 New
    +1
    Quote: Kars
    And about the thickness of the armor of the opposing tanks did not forget?


    Yes, I meant such parameters as the direct shot range, for example, how the gunner worked for 2-4 km is unclear, even without shooting) there is great doubt about the quality of the optics from the middle of 44g somewhere, and it is a priori recognized as excellent, although it is reliably known that, for example, the quality the armor is already frankly nonsense in tiger 2, the action of the projectile when it hits the thick foreheads and the perfectly licked towers of Soviet armored vehicles is interesting, even if it hits the shell at such ranges, or simply ricochet. And in general, with such a mass and a purely Fri gun, this is a self-propelled gun with a tower, a pillbox in one word, not a tank)
    1. Kars
      Kars 17 August 2012 10: 58 New
      0
      Quote: maxiv1979
      Yes, I meant parameters such as the range of a direct shot, for example, how the gunner worked for 2-4 km
      They worked, and why without sighting? Of course, I didn’t hear at 4 km, but 2.5 km have pretty reliable data.
      Quote: maxiv1979
      and it is a priori recognized as excellent, although it is reliably known that, for example, the quality of armor is already frankly nonsense in tiger 2,

      How does the lack of alloying steels among Germans affect optics?
      Quote: maxiv1979
      interesting is the effect of the projectile when it hits thick foreheads and the superbly licked towers of Soviet armored vehicles,

      Are you talking about the 45 mm VLD T-34-85? Or about its own 90 mm Tower? This is not taking into account that from large distances they fired mainly on the sides of tanks that did not expect anything.
      Quote: maxiv1979
      this is a self-propelled gun with a tower, a pillbox in one word, not a tank

      This does not stop him from destroying the enemy’s tanks when the chassis is operational and has fuel. These were the last attempts of German tank building — and the illusive hope of a change in outcome.
    2. lelyk72
      lelyk72 7 September 2012 10: 06 New
      0
      The quality of the armor was low due to the loss of alloying deposits in Ukraine (Nikopol, Manganese, etc.), and what could prevent the Germans from making traditionally high-quality optics ????
  6. master_rem
    master_rem 17 August 2012 11: 54 New
    +1
    Everyone noticed am laughing an inverted five-pointed star on an American trophy?
  7. Nubia2
    Nubia2 17 August 2012 11: 58 New
    +1
    Tank brute force.
    The cannon, of course, is excellent, but the cannon of an ordinary Tiger coped well with all the tanks of that period.
  8. Brother Sarych
    Brother Sarych 17 August 2012 14: 01 New
    0
    A terrible opponent - it’s good that half a thousand did not succeed!
  9. bistrov.
    bistrov. 17 August 2012 14: 04 New
    +2
    The Germans seem to be a smart, practical nation, but like children they were fond of "gigantomania". Well, it would be good, it was at the level of experimental samples, like "Mouse", which was created in 2 copies, and to create and mass-produce a tank weighing 70 tons, but at the same time use serial Maybach engines for this, the same ones that were used on simple "Tigers". True, they installed another gun, just the KwK 36 that was on the Tiger was lengthened to 71 caliber, instead of 56, which made it possible to increase the muzzle velocity of the projectile to 1000m / s. The decrease in the power-to-weight ratio has further exacerbated the disadvantages inherent in an ordinary "Tiger", i.e. led to a decrease in mobility on the battlefield, and overcoming water obstacles generally became an intractable task, which in general sharply reduced the already low tactical mobility of heavy tank battalions. And although the R-7 tanks are considered the most powerful tanks of the Wehrmacht, their use did not make any changes on the battlefield, of the 489 tanks produced on March 1, 1945, 192 vehicles of this type remained. These "attempts" of German engineering thought to re-seize primacy on the battlefield can be described in only one word: - "gamble", like the Hitler regime in general.
    1. Stas57
      Stas57 17 August 2012 14: 22 New
      +2
      The Germans seem to be a smart, practical nation, but like children they were fond of "gigantomania".

      Russians seem to be a smart, practical nation, but as children they were fond of "gigantomania", they stamped KV-shek, but they thought about 100-ton ISs ... wink
      Oh, and what kind of projections were there, compared to which the KV-5-children's bicycle ... Thanks sober heads quickly cooled many.

      but seriously
      this is a race who has more, when otherwise, in a different way, it sucks, and it stops until someone comes up with something new, and again the next race is already in this "new", and it has always been and will be
      1. bistrov.
        bistrov. 17 August 2012 15: 58 New
        +2
        Quote: Stas57
        until someone comes up with something new

        Nemnev had a P-4 tank, I consider it the best German tank, although officially the P-5 "Panther" is considered such. It was relatively cheap, quite mobile and well protected, after modernization it was equipped with a 75 mm long-barreled semi-automatic gun, blown with compressed air after a shot, the same as on the Panther, the design and manufacturing technology were well developed. This tank was practically equal to the T-34 and surpassed it in fire and anti-tank power. Rather than building a "garden", inventing Tigers, Panthers, it would be logical to take all possible measures to increase the production of these tanks. And if the Germans had taken this path, the result of the war would have been different, or it would have lasted much longer.
        1. lelyk72
          lelyk72 7 September 2012 10: 08 New
          0
          In general, I agree with you, only there were a LOT of these "ifs", not only with regards to T4.
  10. Albaros
    Albaros 17 August 2012 15: 08 New
    +3
    Cool car. If in the Ardennes there were at least five hundred of them, and even with air cover, from the American "comrades" only fluff and feathers would fly.
  11. bistrov.
    bistrov. 17 August 2012 15: 34 New
    +4
    Quote: Stas57
    Stamped HF Shek

    KV was created back in '39, showed itself well in the Finnish conflict, had a fairly high mobility, quite powerful weapons at that time, although it was somewhat "raw" and required fine-tuning, but was urgently launched into series, just like T-34, due to the impending war. These two models of the tank, without any special design changes, "fought" the entire war (the IS-2, this is a modernized KV), were relatively cheap, which made it possible to produce them in large quantities, were maintainable, in addition, they had high mobility on the battlefield and excellent maneuverability, practically "fought" on equal terms with German heavy tanks. I will not now discuss the strengths and weaknesses of various models of German and Soviet tanks, but the very fact that Soviet tanks came to Berlin speaks volumes. After the war, both the T-34 and IS-2 for a long time (for example, the IS-2 only in 95 removed from storage bases) were in service with the Soviet Army. Yes, there were in the Soviet Union and rather curious and projects, and models of "tanks", for example the tank "Begemot", built in 3 copies in the design bureau of J. Kotin. The tank had the undercarriage of three standard KVs, connected longitudinally into one whole, a ship diesel as an engine, two 152 mm guns, one 50 mm gun, a Katyusha and a flamethrower. Two tanks even took part in hostilities, but as you can see, things did not go beyond experiments. Prudence prevailed.
    1. Prohor
      Prohor 18 August 2012 21: 13 New
      0
      That's all right. Only "Behemoth" seems to be grandmother's fairy tales, is there any confirmation of its existence?
    2. Alex
      Alex 17 February 2014 14: 55 New
      +1
      Quote: bistrov.
      tank "Begemot",построенный in 3 copies in the design bureau of J. Kotin.
      Come on, tell you fairy tales, "Behemoth" is a figment of the imagination of some artists.
  12. Argonaut
    Argonaut 17 August 2012 16: 01 New
    +2
    Soviet and German armored vehicles in World War II were the best in comparison with other countries. As proved in practice.
    1. Alex
      Alex 17 February 2014 14: 56 New
      +1
      Quote: Argonaut
      Soviet and German armored vehicles in World War II were the best in comparison with other countries.
      Well, so whoever fought has better weapons. The logic of war, however ...
  13. Robinson
    Robinson 17 August 2012 16: 24 New
    +1
    "Royal Tiger", whatever you say, a powerful machine.
  14. panzer
    panzer 17 August 2012 16: 38 New
    +4
    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2012/159/xyri276.jpg

    Recently I was in the tank museum in Münster and saw this kitty "live". Impressive !!!! Especially when you see T-34-85 or SU-100 next to him. Eternal memory and eternal glory to those who tore this beast !!!
  15. Ostwind
    Ostwind 17 August 2012 17: 22 New
    +1
    The "Royal Tiger" is a formidable, perfect machine, but at the same time, while diverting significant production and material resources, it did not justify itself by being simply not brought to mind by the machine
  16. maxiv1979
    maxiv1979 17 August 2012 18: 29 New
    -1
    I just wanted to point out several factors, I served in the tank regiment of the ZKV and I know that at a range of 1.8 and above, it is very difficult to get in and if hit, this rebound is likely to be 90%. Are you trying to tell me that Tiger 2, with an armor of 100 mm and higher (at t 34-85-90 mm and higher) from a distance of 1,5 km m above, pierced the armor of our tanks, sorry, I do not believe how the optics of 44 years of tigers and their crews, as well as in armor penetration, have objective data, see the USSR penetration and fighting protocols, and I do not believe that decaying armor (which the German tank crews certainly knew) contributed to GREAT armor penetration, rather an ordinary pillbox, lacking in all its properties

    Again, I heard about panzerfausta, the undoubted weapon of the infantry of Germany, but about KT2, no one speaks, rather an ordinary Fri tank or self-propelled
    1. Kars
      Kars 17 August 2012 18: 49 New
      0
      Quote: maxiv1979
      it’s very hard to hit and if hit, then the rebound goes with a probability of 90%.

      long served? what is the effective distance for modern guns indicated in 3000-4000 meters?
      Quote: maxiv1979
      (at t 34-85-90mm and above

      Where is the T-34 100 mm and above? Isa has a 90 mm side.
      Quote: maxiv1979
      from a distance of 1,5 km m higher, piercing the armor of our tanks, sorry, I do not believe

      Faith is faith.
      88mm gun KwK 43 L / 71

      Armor-piercing projectile: 100m 500m 1000m 1500m 2000m
      Panzergranate 39 203mm 185mm 165mm 148mm 132mm
      Panzergranate 40/43 237mm 217mm 193mm 171mm 153mm
      Quote: maxiv1979
      decaying armor (which undoubtedly the German tankers knew about) contributed to the GREAT armor penetration,

      And where does the armor to penetrate? What would a Fritz with his horseradish armor take several hits of 100 and 122 shells here is a report
      http://www.battlefield.ru/was-tiger-really-king.html

      So I don’t understand what you are arguing about --- the T-34-85 with its 45 mm VLD could be knocked out also from 3500-4000 meters, and it won’t hit.
      Quote: maxiv1979
      see the breakout and struggle protocols of the USSR

      I did not understand this phrase what to watch then?
      1. maxiv1979
        maxiv1979 17 August 2012 18: 57 New
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        at 3km-4km, very hard to get, almost impossible

        I indicate 3km-4km, I was still flattered, real, 1,5-8km
        Quote: Kars
        And where does the armor to penetrate? What would a Fritz with his horseradish armor have to take was a few hits of 100 and 122 shells here is a reporthttp: //www.battlefield.ru/was-tiger-really-king.html


        what are you arguing about, I’ve got some hit reports, tiger2, when it got into the armor, missed the shell and went away for cracks along the 2km km, feces armor, i.e. took everything, its armor, a lot of representatives beat ...
        1. Kars
          Kars 17 August 2012 21: 31 New
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          Quote: maxiv1979
          tiger2, when hit in armor, missed a missile in the course of bk with 2km

          Bk is the side? So any tank breaks into the side.

          "1. The quality of the armor of the Tigr-B tank compared to the quality of the armor of the Tigr-N, Panther and Ferdinand SU of the first releases has sharply deteriorated. In the armor of the Tigr-B tank from the first single hits cracks and spalls are formed in the armor from a group of projectile hits (3-4 shells) spalls and large breaks are formed.
          2. For all units of the hull and turret of the tank, the weakness of the welds is characteristic. Despite careful implementation, the seams during firing behave significantly worse than it did in similar designs of tanks "Tiger-N", "Panther" and SU "Ferdinand".
          3. The armor frontal sheets tank thickness from 100 to 190 mm when hit 3-4 armor or high-explosive projectiles artillery systems caliber 152, 122 and 100 mm, the distance 500-1000 m, cracks, spalling and fracture of the welds, disrupting the operation of the transmission and the failure of the tank as irretrievable losses.
          4. The BS-3 (100 mm) and A-19 (122 mm) cannon armor-piercing shells penetrate through the 500-600 m into the edges or joints of the hull of the Tiger-B hull.
          5. The BS-3 (100 mm) and A-19 (122 mm) cannon armor-piercing shells penetrate through the 1000-1500 tank front sheet through the front sheet of the turret of the Tigr-B tank.
          6. Armor-piercing 85-mm shells of D-5 and C-53 cannons do not penetrate the front hull of the tank hull and do not produce any structural damage from the 300 distance.
          7. The side armor plates of the tank differ in sharp unequal strength compared with the front plates and are the most vulnerable part of the armor hull and turret of the tank.
          8. The hull side plates and turret of the tank are punched by armor-piercing shells of the 85-mm domestic and 76-mm American cannon from the 800-2000 distance m.
          9. The side sheets of the hull and turret of the tank do not penetrate the 76-mm domestic cannon with armor-piercing shells (ZIS-3 and F-34).
          10. American 76-mm armor-piercing shells pierce the side plates of the Tigr-B tank from 1,5-2 times as large as domestic 85-mm armor-piercing shells. "



          Replace Tiger B with Is-2 or Pershing M26 there will not be much difference if they do not show even worse results, and this, taking into account the conditional armor alloy.
      2. bistrov.
        bistrov. 17 August 2012 20: 06 New
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        Quote: Kars
        what is the effective distance for modern guns indicated in 3000-4000 meters?

        Most modern tanks have a smoothbore gun. The stem is fired with an active-rocket projectile, firing control with a laser rangefinder and an electronic ballistic computer. For example, the T-90 tank is not considered a weapon, but a universal launching device through which you can "launch" a guided anti-tank missile, up to 5 km. The hitting accuracy in this case is close to absolute. When shooting from rifled guns, previously used on tanks, the laws of "dispersion" were in effect, the further the firing distance, the greater the error.
        1. Prohor
          Prohor 17 August 2012 21: 13 New
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          Actively reactive ?! Never heard of such tank ammunition! Don’t share the link?
        2. Kars
          Kars 17 August 2012 21: 27 New
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          Quote: bistrov.
          active rocket

          If KUV is 4-5, I would say so. And the effectiveness of 3-4 km means that it must also penetrate armor of a certain thickness.
          Quote: bistrov.
          . When firing from rifled guns, previously used on tanks, the laws of "dispersion" were in effect,

          The rifled cannon of the Challenger 2 tank ensures the destruction of the type-Tank target with an unguarded high-explosive armor-piercing projectile at a distance of 8 km.
          1. bistrov.
            bistrov. 17 August 2012 22: 12 New
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            Quote: Kars
            The rifled cannon of the Challenger 2 tank ensures the destruction of the type-Tank target with an unguarded high-explosive armor-piercing projectile at a distance of 8 km.

            Have you seen enough commercials? The only case is described when the T-55 tank was hit at a distance of 5 km in the Iraq war! Apparently by accident.
            1. Kars
              Kars 17 August 2012 22: 17 New
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              Quote: bistrov.
              Have you seen enough commercials?


              Go to the British and refute, prove that you can’t hit the target 3 by 10 meters from 8 km.

              Uniquely among NATO main battle tank armament, the L30A1 is rifled, because the British Army continues to place a premium on the use of high explosive squash head (HESH) rounds in addition to APFSDS armor-piercing rounds. HESH rounds have a longer range (up to 8 kilometers / 5 miles) than APFSDS, and are more effective against buildings and thin-skinned vehicles
          2. Prohor
            Prohor 17 August 2012 22: 44 New
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            What is a high-explosive armor-piercing projectile? If it is at least partially cumulative, it will strike at such a distance where the projectile is generally capable of flying.
            1. Kars
              Kars 17 August 2012 22: 54 New
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              This is English know-how.

              http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%B1%D0%BE%D0%B9%D0
              %BD%D0%BE-%D1%84%D1%83%D0%B3%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D1%81%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1
              %80%D1%8F%D0%B4
              1. Prohor
                Prohor 18 August 2012 09: 24 New
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                Thanks for the link, curious ammunition. The same British, it seems, during the war had a similar anti-tank grenade sticking to their armor with a plastic explosive.
                So sirs strive with peers to pump up the tank! laughing
  17. maxiv1979
    maxiv1979 17 August 2012 19: 24 New
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    I served in .. Guards. tank regiment ... a bps hike with 2 km gives a rebound on T62 armor (equal to 200 mm almost 100%) with an armor equal to 100 mm, such a rebound is 36% and not penetration equal to 90%, I do not believe in ct2, or rather, beat, pierced the armor Ussr tanks undoubtedly, but when otvetka ... disintegrated into its component parts)
    dot-great! the tank is not very
  18. Prohor
    Prohor 17 August 2012 21: 17 New
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    Something I have little idea of ​​how the barrel was purged with compressed air technically - does anyone know?
    I wonder why no one thought of the receiver (or ejector), which, I recall, already had on the T-10, in the war? Simple, because, like three pennies - a steel cylinder and a dozen inclined holes in the barrel.
  19. maxiv1979
    maxiv1979 18 August 2012 07: 22 New
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    Quote: bistrov.
    Most modern tanks have a smoothbore gun. The stem is fired with an active-rocket projectile, firing control with a laser rangefinder and an electronic ballistic computer. For example, the T-90 tank is not considered a weapon, but a universal launching device through which you can "launch" a guided anti-tank missile, up to 5 km. The hitting accuracy in this case is close to absolute. When shooting from rifled guns, previously used on tanks, the laws of "dispersion" were in effect, the further the firing distance, the greater the error.


    there is a mistake) everywhere ...
  20. bairat
    bairat 19 August 2012 08: 10 New
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    bistrov.,
    Quote: bistrov.
    The Germans seem to be a smart, practical nation, but like children they were fond of "gigantomania".

    They lacked practicality, what are the self-propelled guns worth, how much did they drink to our tankers of blood. Technological, cheap, inconspicuous on the battlefield. They became especially effective after the turn in the war, when the Germans began to retreat. Burning a couple of tanks from an ambush and quickly retreating to a reserve position was their favorite technique.
  21. Alex
    Alex 17 February 2014 15: 03 New
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    Yeah, serious beast, you won’t take it with any gun. However, they also twisted his tail. Why don’t you say that in 1944-45 there was nothing for Hans to catch, no tricks would help. But it’s scary to think about what would happen if they conspired with our allies. How much more blood would have spilled ...