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Military prospects of the Il-114-300

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The first flight of the experienced Il-114-300. Photo of UAC


On December 16, the first flight of the IL-114-300 prototype passenger aircraft took place. In the near future, all the necessary tests will be performed, after which the liner will go into series and go into operation. Due to its high technical and operational characteristics, such an aircraft is of interest as a platform for creating specialized modifications, incl. military use.

Basic platform


The first version of the Il-114 project was created in the late eighties; the first flight of such a machine took place in 1990. Due to the characteristic factors of that time, the liner did not reach a large series - until 2012, less than 20 aircraft were built. In 2014-15. work began on a new version of the Il-114-300 airliner. To date, such an aircraft has been brought to flight tests, and in parallel, the United Aircraft Corporation and Ilyushin are preparing for serial production.

The new version of the project retains the previous layout and almost the entire airframe structure. Il-114-300 is a twin-engine low-wing aircraft with a straight wing and traditional tail assembly. A highly efficient wing with advanced mechanization and a reinforced landing gear are used, which ensures operation on concrete and unpaved airfields.

One of the foundations of the new Il-114-300 project is modern engines. A pair of turboprop engines TV7-117ST-01 with a capacity of 3100 hp is used. with six-blade propellers SV-34.03, as well as an auxiliary power plant TA-1. Modern engines are distinguished by higher technical characteristics and increased efficiency.


On December 16, the main systems of the aircraft were tested. Photo of UAC

The aircraft is equipped with a modern fully digital flight and navigation system TsPNK-114M2. General aircraft systems have undergone serious processing with the use of new units. This simplifies operation with a simultaneous increase in key indicators.

IL-114-300 is approx. 28 m and a wingspan of 30 m. The maximum take-off weight is 23,5 tons, payload - 6,5 tons, or up to 68 passengers. The cruising speed is declared at 500 km / h, the flight range with maximum load is 1400 km. The aircraft requires a 1400 m runway.

Suggestions of the past


The Il-114 was originally developed as a passenger aircraft, but it was also considered as a platform for new modifications for various purposes. The issue of using different engines was being worked out, and in addition, an Il-114LL flying laboratory was built to test new avionics. At the level of proposals and projects, there were also military modifications with different functions and tasks.

In the mid-nineties, a cargo modification of the Il-114T was developed, which was of interest to both commercial carriers and the army. It featured a cargo compartment with appropriate equipment. To carry out loading and unloading operations behind the wing, on the left side, a large door was provided. The project was brought to flight tests, but then work stopped.

It was proposed to use high performance characteristics in the interests of the sea aviation... A project was proposed for the Il-114MP patrol / anti-submarine aircraft. It could carry radar, sonar buoys, magnetometer and other equipment for searching surface ships and submarines. It also provided for the installation of a variety of weapons - anti-ship missiles, torpedoes, etc.


New flights are expected in the near future. Photo of UAC

A simplified version of the Il-114MP - Il-114P was proposed. It was a patrol aircraft for the observation and protection of territorial waters and the exclusive economic zone. With the help of the Strizh multicomponent complex, he had to keep track of surface objects. Anti-submarine capabilities and weapons were not provided.

By installing the appropriate equipment, the base liner could be turned into a jammer or an electronic reconnaissance aircraft. Similar issues were worked out within the framework of the Il-114PR / PRP project. The Il-114FK project was proposed. Such an aircraft should have been equipped with photographic equipment and other devices for mapping the area. The materials on the Il-140 project were demonstrated - a long-range radar detection aircraft with a characteristic "mushroom" above the fuselage.

Thus, the fundamental possibility of rebuilding the base IL-114 liner into vehicles for a different purpose existed and was being worked out. It is obvious that the modern Il-114-300 has the same capabilities. At the same time, higher technical and operational characteristics will provide interesting results, increasing the overall efficiency of specialized samples.

Prospects for Directions


In the existing configuration of a passenger aircraft, the new Il-114-300 is of certain interest to the Russian Ministry of Defense. To carry out the transportation of the army, vehicles of this class are needed, and the existing fleet is distinguished by a high average age. At the same time, the Air Force in the future may order not only a passenger, but also a possible cargo modification. With the help of the new Il-114-300, it will be possible to replace the outdated An-24 and An-26.


Exhibition model of anti-submarine Il-114MP. Photo Vpk.name

It can be assumed that in the near future the idea of ​​a patrol / anti-submarine aircraft based on the liner will be developed again. Last year, the Ministry of Industry and Trade announced plans for the future replacement of existing ASW aircraft. In a short time, aircraft manufacturers had to submit their proposals, and by the end of the year, the ministry planned to choose the best ones. New messages about this project have not yet been received, which allows making forecasts. In particular, it can be expected that the industry has recalled the old Il-114MP project and proposes to implement it at a new technical level.

High flight performance in theory allows the Il-114-300 to be used as a base for air command posts, RTR and electronic warfare aircraft and other specialized equipment, and similar ideas have already been worked out. Whether they will return to these projects is unknown. It should be borne in mind that such a step will have serious positive consequences.

Obvious difficulties


If the Ministry of Defense decides to purchase Il-114-300 aircraft of various modifications, it will not be able to quickly obtain all the desired aircraft in the required quantities. Such rearmament and re-equipment of the Air Force and other structures will face a number of objective limitations and difficulties.

First of all, the difficulty is the unavailability of the base machine and the actual absence of its specialized modifications. According to current plans, testing of the prototype Il-114-300 will continue until 2022, at which time the aircraft will receive a certificate. Serial production will begin in 2023. UAC says about the possibility of building 12 aircraft annually. At the same time, there are already preliminary agreements for several dozen machines, and their implementation will take several years.

Military prospects of the Il-114-300

Various modifications of the base IL-114. Air International Magazine graphics

Projects for specialized modifications of the Il-114 were developed in the distant past and are obsolete. Creating new projects of this kind will take some time. Accordingly, testing and launching the production of anti-submarine, patrol, command, etc. modifications to the liner may be delayed for the distant future.

It is important that the real prospects for the projects of the hypothetical IL-114-300 family have not yet been determined. The Ministry of Defense has not yet disclosed its plans in this direction. It is quite possible that the aircraft will not interest the military as a platform for specialized equipment and will not receive appropriate development.

Clarity and uncertainty


The prospects of the Il-114-300 in its original passenger modification are obvious. In the coming years, this aircraft will be successfully tested and fine-tuned, after which the series will start and full-fledged operation will begin in several civilian airlines. The new aircraft will close one of the most important niches and reduce the dependence of Russian transportation on foreign products.

In the context of military use, the future of the Il-114-300 remains unclear. It may be interesting in the original modification and in the form of special versions - but there are no orders for them at the moment. Moreover, it is not yet clear whether they will appear in the future. Most likely, the situation will become clearer in the future, when the new civilian aircraft is ready for production and operation.
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  1. Alexey Sommer
    Alexey Sommer 18 December 2020 04: 22
    +15
    The IL 114 certainly has military prospects, and honestly, they are even better seen than civilian ones.
    This is at least a replacement for IL 20.
    1. figwam
      figwam 18 December 2020 07: 06
      +23
      The range would be greater for him, 1500 km is about nothing.
      1. Doccor18
        Doccor18 18 December 2020 08: 58
        +11
        Quote: figvam
        The range would be greater for him, 1500 km is about nothing.

        Exactly.
        Is the radius too small for anti-submarine and reconnaissance expeditions?
        Tu-214 seems to be a more suitable platform for these purposes ...
      2. venik
        venik 18 December 2020 18: 32
        -5
        Quote: figvam
        The range would be greater for him, 1500 km is about nothing.

        =========
        You are actually yourself have understood, WHAT did you write? 1 km is a FULL load range! In general, the dependence of the range on the load looks like this:

        So that there are no questions about primary source: http://www.ilyushin.org/images/air/4/Il-114-300/Il-114-300.jpg
        hi
        1. figwam
          figwam 18 December 2020 19: 15
          +13
          Quote: venik
          Did you actually understand WHAT you wrote?

          Do you think an aircraft for jamming or for radar reconnaissance will weigh as empty? There, one crew will weigh under 1.5 tons, plus equipment, while for such aircraft it is not the flight range that is important, but the combat radius, so it will be 1500 km.
        2. OpusD
          OpusD 11 February 2021 16: 23
          0
          + patrol speed in the zone, probably = 200 km / h. He can hang for 12-14 hours.
          Su 80 - lighter but as an AWACS aircraft in layout it would be ideal.
      3. sgrabik
        sgrabik 24 December 2020 01: 34
        +1
        I completely agree with this, the range must be at least doubled, the effective range of the naval versions of the aircraft must be at least 2800 - 3000 km, no less.
    2. Civil
      Civil 18 December 2020 09: 17
      +3
      Dear commentators, please explain:
      1. Why is such a long runway needed?
      2. Are the unpaved engines installed low.
      3. How is it possible to increase the range of this aircraft without making major changes to the design if there is AWACS equipment?
      4. Can he do it like AWACS?
      1. venik
        venik 18 December 2020 21: 08
        +8
        Quote: Civil
        4. Can he do it like AWACS?

        =========
        And why not?

        E-2D Advanced Hawkeye (weight-dimensional x-ki and flight characteristics are almost the same as IL-114-300):


        Embraer EMB-145SA (AEW & C) Brazil (very close in MGH and LTH)


        An-71 (this one is slightly heavier - maximum take-off weight of 30 tons versus 23 for Il-a):


        SAAB S 100B Argus (Sweden - this one is easier - only 13.5 tons)


        Fairchild S.88 (Tp.88С) Sweden-USA (this one is generally much lighter - only about 7 tons)
      2. Boris Chernikov
        Boris Chernikov 19 December 2020 17: 52
        +2
        Well, about the range .. in theory, you can install equipment and add. tanks on the basis of the remaining stocks by weight .. but not knowing how much the equipment will weigh .. this is poking your finger
    3. tolancop
      tolancop 18 December 2020 15: 08
      +20
      IL-20 is a variant of IL-18. Compare at least the declared ranges of the IL-114 - 1400 km and IL-18 - 6500 km.
      Incl. no modification of the IL-114 can replace the IL-20, the classes of machines are completely different.
      1. venik
        venik 18 December 2020 20: 25
        +3
        Quote: tolancop
        Incl. no modification of the IL-114 can replace the IL-20, the classes of machines are completely different.

        ========
        Various! The Il-20 has a takeoff weight 3 (THREE!) Times more than the Il-114! Tu-20R was prepared to replace the Il-214.
        And from the Il-114-300 a relatively light "patrolman" or a RER or EW aircraft can turn out. Something like "Hawkeye" or Breguet "Atlantic".
        1. Boris Chernikov
          Boris Chernikov 19 December 2020 17: 53
          +3
          it is a pity that with the 214th constant plugs ... and so there is a whole series of cars asking
          1. ZEMCH
            ZEMCH 22 December 2020 19: 24
            +1
            So the 214th is only for MO and is available in various configurations
            1. Boris Chernikov
              Boris Chernikov 22 December 2020 22: 49
              -1
              with them so far very, very deaf
              1. ZEMCH
                ZEMCH 23 December 2020 02: 29
                +1
                Quote: Boris Chernikov
                with them so far very, very deaf

                5 Tu-214SR, 3 Tu-214R, 2 Tu-214ON do you think a little? )))
                1. Boris Chernikov
                  Boris Chernikov 23 December 2020 21: 03
                  -3
                  The fact of the matter is that there is a request for 50-60 vehicles, not to mention AWACS and Patrolmen for the fleet ... but things are still there ... 1 vehicle a year or two ... this is nothing
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    5. Radiator
      Radiator 27 December 2020 07: 24
      0
      To offer to replace the unsurpassed legend Il-18/20 at sea, with a strategic range, a regionalist with a range 4 times shorter - this must be smoking something absolutely lethal ...
  2. krops777
    krops777 18 December 2020 04: 28
    +5
    The maximum takeoff weight is 23,5 tons, the payload is 6,5 tons, or up to 68 passengers.


    And if all passengers of 100kg mean on such lines, as a rule, all fly with a load, then this is already 6,8t. The AN-24 has a more passenger capacity: 48-52 people with the same payload. Commerce however.
  3. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 18 December 2020 04: 35
    +11
    The first version of the Il-114 project was created in the late eighties; the first flight of such a machine took place in 1990.
    Not only galoshes were made in Soviet times, it turns out that it would hardly have been possible to rewire galoshes.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 18 December 2020 12: 50
      +3
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      Not only galoshes were made in Soviet times, it turns out that it would hardly have been possible to rewire galoshes.

      So this is the same Soviet defense industry that VVP spoke about after galoshes (in the videos for the fighters for the USSR, this part is cut off so as not to tear the template for them):
      We had a defense industry - cool, strong, and we are still proud of it. We are grateful to our grandfathers and our fathers for creating such a defense after the Great Patriotic War.

      From the audience: ... And the first satellite.

      Vladimir Putin: Both the first satellite and the first man in space are our common pride, these are the achievements of the Soviet government, of which we are all proud. These are nationwide achievements.

      But consumer goods ... Zhirinovsky has already said this. Where were they? There were none. Let's not lie to each other and the people. The people know what was and what was not.
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 18 December 2020 13: 48
        +11
        I don’t remember galoshes in my life, but a color TV in '84. and a washing machine and two cold weather, one of them is the Donbass 60 shaggy year, and everything else, quite.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 18 December 2020 15: 52
          -2
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          I don’t remember galoshes in my life, but a color TV in '84.

          The color TV of that time is Russian roulette. He could work normally, or he could drive a blizzard due to a poor-quality power circuit (or poor-quality installation). Or regularly die due to the failure of the chromaticity unit. And could and in general bring light and warmth into the house.
          1. Avior
            Avior 18 December 2020 22: 47
            +3
            And he could even bring light and warmth into the house.

            due to the voltage multiplier ....
        2. tag17
          tag17 26 December 2020 14: 31
          +1
          There were thin, pointed galoshes, as we were looking for them !!! They were used as climbing shoes. People who understand, when seen in a backpack, always smiled. Rock climber.
  4. andrewkor
    andrewkor 18 December 2020 05: 34
    +13
    I am sincerely happy for the Russian aircraft manufacturers. Keep it up!
    The article does not mention the plant that will mass-produce this handsome man. Or has the UAC not yet decided on this?
    At TAPOiCH (although it is no longer there) there is still some reserve of parts of the 114th, up to 10 sets. How will this be used?
    A couple of years ago, three sets of the 76s were taken to Taganrog from Tashkent by self-pickup on trailers, such is the precedent!
    Hello everyone from Tashkent!
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 18 December 2020 05: 42
      +5
      Quote: andrewkor
      The article does not mention the plant that will mass-produce this handsome man.

      Lukhovitsky
      1. andrewkor
        andrewkor 18 December 2020 06: 16
        +3
        Sorry, but where is this?
        1. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 18 December 2020 08: 21
          +12
          Sorry, but where is this?

          In the Moscow region, beyond Kolomna, closer to Ryazan.
          1. andrewkor
            andrewkor 18 December 2020 12: 19
            +2
            Thanks for the info, I'll look at the map.
            1. Aviator_
              Aviator_ 18 December 2020 12: 41
              +4
              Aerodrome "Tretyakovo"
  5. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 18 December 2020 06: 09
    +7
    there are currently no orders for them. Moreover, it is not yet clear whether they will appear in the future.
    but the whole article turned out.
    And so on the topic, then, IMHO, it is too small for a patrolman. More precisely, the range and duration are not suggestive.
    As a replacement for the An-24, it is quite, but the ramp An-26 is unlikely.
    And it seems that yesterday they wrote about the price that they are asking for a lot.
    1. andrewkor
      andrewkor 18 December 2020 06: 18
      +16
      The "unfortunate" Il-26 is planned to replace the An-112.
  6. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 18 December 2020 06: 15
    +12
    Quote: Alexey Sommer
    replacement of IL 20.

    IL20 range 5000 km, speed 650 km / h.
    IL114 range 1500 km, speed 500 km / h.
    And the carrying capacity is also different.
    Some kind of replacement is strongly not equivalent.
    1. Koval Sergey
      Koval Sergey 18 December 2020 10: 27
      +18
      A bit wrong. For IL-114, the range is indicated at maximum load. The IL-20 will also have significantly less than 5000 km.
      1. sgrabik
        sgrabik 24 December 2020 01: 45
        0
        Well, after all, 5000 km is not 1500 km, the difference is noticeable.
  7. Hagen
    Hagen 18 December 2020 07: 02
    +3
    In the context of military use, the future of the Il-114-300 remains unclear

    As for the transport performance, there is such an assumption, will the Il-114 collide with the Il-112 in the same niche? They are excellent in the type of execution, but the parts of the carrying capacity are approximately equal, the engines are the same, the basing possibilities are similar. Why does the Defense Ministry need different types of aircraft for "related" tasks? Tupolev at one time saved the design capacity when passenger aircraft were designed using the military backlog. With the Il-114, everything is different ... This is probably why the military version 114 is not particularly visible.
    1. Genry
      Genry 18 December 2020 10: 53
      +3
      Quote: Hagen
      As for the transport performance, there is such an assumption, will the Il-114 collide with the Il-112 in the same niche?

      You are confusing a transport vehicle and a truck.
      IL-112 is a purely transport aircraft with a ramp for arrival.
      IL-114 can be a truck with a wide side door for loading pallets and containers.
      1. Hagen
        Hagen 18 December 2020 12: 51
        0
        Quote: Genry
        You are confusing a transport vehicle and a truck.

        Maybe. But I remember that An-24 worked in the passenger role, as a transport operator with a ramp, and a truck (An-24T, An-26-100). And in all roles he coped. I thought, maybe they just decided to use the groundwork for the Il-114 from the Soviet times, because the car was flying, but still it was almost completely redesigned. How much will these savings push exploitation? Why not initially make 112 the base for different modifications, because maintenance and repair of the same type of equipment is always cheaper.
        1. Genry
          Genry 18 December 2020 12: 59
          +4
          Quote: Hagen
          An-24 worked in the passenger role, as a transport operator with a ramp, and a truck (An-24T, An-26-100). And he coped in all roles.

          The transporter was only An-26, and even then with a very weak floor, which, when rolling / transporting wheeled vehicles, had to be reinforced with beams. It was no longer used for its intended purpose.
          Quote: Hagen
          Why shouldn't 112 initially be made basic for different modifications? After all, maintenance and repair of the same type of equipment is always cheaper.

          112 and 114 differ only in the airframe, so you can consider it as one airplane.
          But 114 will never make a transport, and 112 fat will not make an economical wagon.
          1. Hagen
            Hagen 18 December 2020 13: 16
            -1
            Quote: Genry
            112 and 114 differ only in the airframe, so you can consider it as one airplane.

            In principle, the main thing is to finally fly. 24 and his entire family has long been asking for a replacement.
  8. Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 18 December 2020 07: 40
    0
    As an anti-submarine and reconnaissance aircraft - no doubt. Electronic warfare - very likely. The transport worker is not even funny.
    1. Desperado
      Desperado 18 December 2020 11: 49
      +5
      The PLO turboprop aircraft is already the last century. We need an analogue of the P-8 Poseidon. Of the close machines, only the Tu-214 is suitable, since there is already a Tu-214R, the glider needs to be modified for PLO tasks, and the 38x fleet is changed ...
  9. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 18 December 2020 08: 23
    +4
    The Ministry of Defense has not yet disclosed its plans in this direction. It is quite possible that the aircraft will not interest the military as a platform for specialized equipment and will not receive appropriate development.

    What choice does MO have? If you look at the competitors, patrol and AWACS aircraft are massively made of them. For a submarine aircraft, it may be small. The same It-18 has 4 theaters. Americans dklla Poseidon based on the mass B-737. If we take our new missile anti-ship missiles, then they just need a control center in the middle and far sea zone.
    1. Genry
      Genry 18 December 2020 11: 24
      -3
      IL-114, with maximum fuel load, can fly 5000 km (10 hours, no payload), which allows it to be used, with modern light equipment, as a patrol aircraft. If a target is detected, you can call an anti-submarine aircraft, ship, helicopter or ekranolet.
      Of course, a specialized drone with the same function is possible.
      1. faiver
        faiver 18 December 2020 20: 32
        +1
        If a target is detected, you can call an anti-submarine aircraft, ship, helicopter or ground-effect aircraft.
        - And the 78th Air Force. bully
        Why should I drive twenty-eight aircraft when you can get by with one, but the truth is not that ... hi
        1. Genry
          Genry 18 December 2020 21: 34
          0
          Quote: faiver
          Why should I drive twenty-eight aircraft when you can get by with one, but the truth is not that ...


          Why "not this", if you really do not have to attack the submarine in the coming years - the presence of "this" patrolman, albeit without a weapon, already performs a forbidden function.
          And an anti-submarine torpedo can also be delivered with a rocket, because riding on an aircraft on duty simply kills its resource.

          And what is your rejection with the number 28?
          1. faiver
            faiver 19 December 2020 07: 10
            0
            And what is your rejection with the number 28?
            - no rejection
      2. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 19 December 2020 12: 17
        0
        Il still considered options with lengthening the fuselage.
  10. Errr
    Errr 18 December 2020 08: 58
    +2
    From the text of the article:
    One of the foundations of the new Il-114-300 project is modern engines. A pair of turboprop engines TV7-117ST-1 with a capacity of 2900 hp is used. with six-blade propellers SV-34.03, as well as an auxiliary power plant TA-1.
    In fact:
    One of the foundations of the new Il-114-300 project is modern engines. Used a pair of turboprop motors TV7-117ST-01 by power 3100 h.p. in takeoff mode with six-blade propellers AV112-114as well as an auxiliary power unit TA-12.
  11. Errr
    Errr 18 December 2020 09: 18
    +4
    From the article:
    The aircraft requires a 1400 m runway.
    It's already funny. The length of the Il-114-300 takeoff run is 750 m, and the run length is 550 m. A class D runway with a length of only 1000 m is quite suitable for it.
    1. Genry
      Genry 18 December 2020 11: 08
      +4
      Quote: Herrr
      Already funny.

      Laugh if you need to abort takeoff at the decision point.
      1. Errr
        Errr 18 December 2020 12: 26
        +6
        Thanks for the adjustment. hi
        Indeed, the Il-114 requires a class G runway with a length of at least 1300 meters (see table below).
        1. Genry
          Genry 18 December 2020 12: 46
          +3
          Quote: Herrr
          at least 1300 meters long

          750 + = 550 1300
          hi
          1. Errr
            Errr 18 December 2020 13: 42
            +1
            Interesting arithmetic. smile
            It is not clear only why it does not work out so smoothly with regard to the An-24. In terms of the length of the takeoff run and the run along the runway, the total is 850 + 580 = 1430 [m]. He, too, is allowed on the G-class runway, but with such arithmetic, he no longer fits into the minimum 1300 m for the strip of this class. what We'll have to write it down in riddles. smile
            1. Genry
              Genry 18 December 2020 13: 51
              +3
              Quote: Herrr
              We'll have to write it down in riddles.

              There are no riddles.
              In fact, there is still temperature with humidity (the higher the humidity or temperature, the lower the air density and the higher the landing / lift-off speed and the greater the take-off / run), so they look specifically at the length of the runway by the weather and the height of the airfield.
              1. Errr
                Errr 18 December 2020 17: 47
                +2
                This is all clear. It is only unclear that the An-24, which has a take-off run of 1430 meters, is allowed to use a strip 1300 meters long (which is shorter than this very amount by as much as 130 meters), and the Il-114 with a similar amount of 1300 meters cannot do the same on a runway with a length of, say, 1200 meters (which is less than the same amount of its take-off run-run by only 100 meters, i.e. less than in the case of the An-24). For, so to speak, purity of reasoning, I propose to consider the parameters of the state of air (temperature, pressure, humidity, etc.) in both cases the same. As they say, we will equalize the chances of these aircraft. smile
                1. Genry
                  Genry 18 December 2020 18: 29
                  +1
                  Quote: Herrr
                  It is only incomprehensible that the An-24, which has a take-off run of 1430 meters, is allowed to use a strip 1300 meters long (which is shorter than this very amount by as much as 130 meters),

                  And who told you that he would be allowed such a takeoff?
                  There are strict rules (formula) that relate takeoff conditions to the length of the runway, air density and the degree of aircraft load (relative to the normal takeoff weight).
                  If your runway is class G (1300m), but not of sufficient length (1430m), then you will not be released. Unload the plane and fly. The shortened stripes just show that more is brought here than taken away.
                  1. Errr
                    Errr 18 December 2020 18: 35
                    +1
                    Well, then everything is clear. smile
                    Thank you for the clarification. hi
  12. Koval Sergey
    Koval Sergey 18 December 2020 11: 17
    +13
    As the author correctly noted, the patrolman is still several years away, subject to the decision to build. And they are needed today. In any case, we live with the overwhelming superiority of the other side.
  13. Eug
    Eug 18 December 2020 11: 56
    +4
    What is surprising - if everything without any special problems (pah-pah-pah) turns out with 114, then why such problems with 112? Is it really just because the 114th was developed by "old" specialists?
  14. Scharnhorst
    Scharnhorst 18 December 2020 13: 39
    +2
    I see only two objective reasons for the construction of such an aircraft from the past: a) to bypass possible sanctions on Boeings and airbuses to fly to Crimea, and not only for Russian airlines; b) give work to engine builders so as not to lose the industry following the example of Ukraine. In the past, the Europeans had an Atlantic patrolman / anti-submarine ship of about the same plan - sunk into oblivion! Even then, the larger and more multifunctional R-3C Orion was supplanted. As for the Moscow Region, it is only suitable if it is a dog without fish and pike, but for Pobeda on the Moscow - Belbek route it will be very useful even in summer. As V.V. Zhirinovsky - he would fly himself!
    1. faiver
      faiver 18 December 2020 20: 28
      +2
      to bypass possible sanctions on Boeings and Airbus to fly to Crimea
      - we have a bunch of places not in the center of the country, for example, beyond the Urals, where you can fly only by plane at an hour ...
      but for "Victory" on the route Moscow - Belbek it will be very useful even in summer
      - not useful, he will not pull this distance, about 2 thousand. km. bypassing Ukraine.
  15. Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 18 December 2020 17: 29
    0
    it would not be bad to have an electronic warfare aircraft, but for PLO it seems to me better to use the BE200, it has been serial for a long time, it will turn out faster
    1. faiver
      faiver 18 December 2020 20: 22
      +1
      We have problems with the production of the Be-200
      1. Vladimir1155
        Vladimir1155 19 December 2020 01: 35
        0
        what are your problems with the BE200? more specifically
        1. faiver
          faiver 19 December 2020 07: 02
          +1
          and you look how many planes are built per year
          1. Vladimir1155
            Vladimir1155 19 December 2020 20: 26
            -1
            looked .... what's the problem?
            1. faiver
              faiver 19 December 2020 21: 05
              +1
              those. 16 aircraft produced in almost twenty years, despite the fact that there are orders for the aircraft, is this not a problem? This is an undoubted success of course ...
              1. Vladimir1155
                Vladimir1155 19 December 2020 22: 29
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                Quote: faiver
                it's not a problem

                the plant has made 16 planes that fly successfully, are exported .... what's the problem? orders be more critical of wikipedia write it to the cIA, have you seen these orders? have you read them? did you get money on them? nobody saw them
                1. faiver
                  faiver 20 December 2020 01: 22
                  +1
                  nobody saw them
                  - no one saw them because we cannot establish normal production ...
                  1. Vladimir1155
                    Vladimir1155 20 December 2020 17: 23
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                    Quote: faiver
                    Nobody saw them because we cannot establish normal production ...

                    once again .... 16 aircraft have already been produced, this is called mass production, they all fly, there is no mass return of accidents, they are exported ... the aircraft is specific, such aircraft are always small-scale ... where did the rumor about problems come from. .. more specifically ... is there infa? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o59XSxaJX3A
                    1. faiver
                      faiver 21 December 2020 00: 23
                      -1
                      16 aircraft have already been produced, this is called serial production
                      - this is not a serial production, but a handicraft, during the First World War in four years more than seventy Sikorsky bombers "Ilya Muromets" were produced, this is serial production, if you don't understand this, well, call your mind, I can't lend you hi
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              2. Minato2020
                Minato2020 24 December 2020 05: 08
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                Quote: faiver

                those. 16 aircraft produced in almost twenty years, despite the fact that there are orders for the aircraft, is this not a problem? This is an undoubted success of course ...


                From comments on the Internet
                Eaero (Eaero)
                "... Sorry comrades, but all these disputes between selling and not selling, to whom and on what terms, are very premature. Several years ago I tried to place an order for 2 firefighters and 2 passengers, and even an option for 2 units. Nothing happened for a reason extremely low productivity of the aircraft plant. In the article, all the numbers are there, 7 units are working and 12 units are in different stages of construction. How many years of work are such "outstanding" indicators? I hope that Rogozin will put things in order in this mess.
                And with the question to sell or not? There is such a concept as "wet leasing", that is, renting an aircraft with a crew. Within a month, I will bring those who wish to rent a Be-200 under this scheme for at least 10 aircraft with a geography of flights from Northern Europe to
                Micronesia. But where can we get these 10 planes? With this rate of "shock" labor in 10 years, maybe they will build ((... "

                Taken from an article on TopVara
                https://topwar.ru/64087-k-rossiyskomu-be-200-proyavili-interes-v-ssha-i-evrope.html
        2. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 19 December 2020 12: 21
          0
          Problems with turbojet engine .... and not the interest of the military. And they have the money.
          1. Vladimir1155
            Vladimir1155 19 December 2020 20: 30
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            are working on a domestic engine, but interest needs to be developed, the first plane has already been announced by the respected army general and minister Sergei Shoigu (purchased for the Navy), God forbid it will be effective and the series will begin
        3. ZEMCH
          ZEMCH 22 December 2020 19: 56
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          Quote: vladimir1155
          what are your problems with the BE200? more specifically

          The largest and poorly solvable, with engines))), or SaM-146, or PD-8, another Ukrainian
      2. Minato2020
        Minato2020 24 December 2020 05: 00
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        Quote: faiver
        We have problems with the production of the Be-200


        "... Russia has a unique chance to gain a foothold in the unusual segment of aircraft construction. Our Be-200 seaplanes may be in demand not only as rescue or fire fighting aircraft, but also for passenger transportation. Interest in such winged aircraft is shown by the countries of Southeast Asia, where it is necessary reliable communication between the many islands Unfortunately, this market tidbit is starting to slip out of our hands ...
        ... It is very indicative that the island Indonesia chose to contact not the Be-200, but the Canadian company Viking Air Limited, which is just intending to start producing seaplanes. They bought all the rights to the Bombardier CL-415 from Canada's leading airline a few years ago. Production is just getting better, but a contract has already been signed for the supply of 7 aircraft to Jakarta ...
        ... In terms of its performance, carrying capacity and flight range, the Canadian seaplane is very seriously inferior to the Russian one.
        Our Be-200 is better, but the domestic manufacturer has not been able to solve its problems for several years. The result is natural ... "

        https://topcor.ru/9724-ostavshis-bez-dvigatelej-rossija-proigryvaet-bitvu-gidrosamoletov.html
  16. Mikhail S.
    Mikhail S. 18 December 2020 20: 30
    +1
    "UAC says about the possibility of building 12 aircraft annually"
    TWELVE A YEAR!
    1. Minato2020
      Minato2020 24 December 2020 05: 16
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      Quote: Mikhail S.

      "UAC says about the possibility of building 12 aircraft annually"
      TWELVE A YEAR!


      Well, that is, perhaps no one will be responsible for this figure - an airplane per month.
  17. Mikle2000
    Mikle2000 19 December 2020 17: 34
    +1
    To repeat the AN-26 from the 50s, and to put it bluntly, with unclear possibilities for mass production (both the airframe and the engines) and pass it off as a success - this is completely beyond good and evil.
  18. OpusD
    OpusD 20 December 2020 23: 06
    +1
    Somewhere I came across that he can hang over the patrol area for 14 hours. They patrol not at cruising speed, but at a much lower speed. P8 Poseidon, patrol speed 333 km / h, 12 hours. can hang.
  19. RoTTor
    RoTTor 24 December 2020 23: 59
    0
    This plane was needed yesterday for an urgent replacement of the long-obsolete, but so far irreplaceable An-24 and An-26.
    I flew well!

    Alas, the remnants of the ukraviaprom are not capable of mass production and are not needed either in Ukraine, or in the post-Soviet space and in third world countries.

    ANTONOV lost this niche and this market, if not forever, then for a very long time. And no Western foreign countries will ever help Ukraine and "ANTONOV" - they have their own planes and their own interests, which must be pushed, including to Ukraine.
    It is worth recalling how the Soviet aviation industry used to work.

    https://www.facebook.com/Transpress_viczel-178637738821455
  20. Radiator
    Radiator 27 December 2020 07: 20
    -1
    After the new sanctions of American gopniks, you can forget about the export of MS-21 and Il-114-300
    1. Zementbomber
      Zementbomber 23 January 2021 04: 55
      0
      Export of the Il-114-300 could have been forgotten without any sanctions.
    2. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 25 January 2021 17: 41
      0
      And what will stop them?
  21. Zementbomber
    Zementbomber 23 January 2021 04: 54
    0
    Only light administrative military-technical cooperation and mariner patrol for the BO FSB aircraft.
    Other real "military perspectives" - at the 114th no.
    Although ... - Comrade. Shoigu and Be-200ES ordered ... fool
  22. Zementbomber
    Zementbomber 23 January 2021 04: 58
    0
    With the help of the new Il-114-300, it will be possible to replace the outdated An-24 and An-26.


    Brad. Great. The Il-114-300 is only able to replace the An-24, and that is only partially. An-26, he basically replaced not will be able to due to VPH, restrictions on basing and lack of a ramp.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 25 January 2021 17: 41
      0
      Not Brad. Il112 - will replace cargo modifications ....
  23. Lew
    Lew 4 February 2021 16: 47
    0
    for transport in the full sense of the word and purpose, you need a ramp .... that's just, even having made a ramp, what can drive there? bike? And if there is no ramp, then this is not a transport plane. It's specialized. Scout, director, carrier, postman, but not transport.
  24. LOCOMOTIVE VL60 LOCOMOTIVE VL82
    LOCOMOTIVE VL60 LOCOMOTIVE VL82 12 February 2021 17: 56
    0
    Perhaps he has the prospect of becoming the most versatile aircraft
  25. All the details
    All the details 12 February 2021 20: 58
    0
    Strange article. Already adopted for the Air Force Il-112. The only problem will be the engines and their number. Who will make them SERIOUSLY. On Klimovo they are forced to make TV3-117 for helicopters. Own (!) Engines. Because they were developed and brought to mind under the leadership of Izotov in Leningrad. Khokhlov got it BY DISTRIBUTION in the practice of the USSR. And after the collapse, no one moved about intellectual property. So that Motor Sich would pay. And now the Il-114 and Il-112. You need a lot of engines for a series of aircraft ... Where is the money, Zin?
  26. Dkuznecov
    Dkuznecov 18 February 2021 00: 00
    0
    Final article - we can
    only nobody needs it.
    I always look at the last paragraph.
    For thirty years as it was, so
    and remained a "promising" project,
    that is, lying in the bottom drawer of the table.
    Since there is nothing new, so we rush,
    as a famous comrade,
    (forbidden mentions on this resource),
    with a written sack.
  27. In a d and m
    In a d and m 20 February 2021 05: 32
    0
    "Opening the airspace over Crimea for NATO," Russia at risk ?!
    ...
    Risks NATO if it flies.