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How fighter pilots go to the toilet

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Source: mil.ru/Press service of the RF Ministry of Defense


How fighter pilots go to the toilet during a flight is a fairly popular question from ordinary people, addressed to military pilots. Pilots are people just like all of us, so nothing human is alien to them. But to fulfill natural needs at an altitude of thousands of meters at supersonic flight speed, while in a closed aircraft cockpit, is not an easy task. Naturally, engineers and designers have foreseen this possibility. In all armies of the world, the problem is solved plus or minus in the same way. And if in large aircraft, such as strategic bombers or transport aircraft, you can find an almost ordinary toilet, then the situation with fighters is more complicated.

How the problem with the toilet on board is solved in Russia


It is necessary to understand that in strategic and tactical aviation the onboard toilet problem is handled in different ways. At the same time, the question is more acute in tactical aviation. In large aircraft, which are all strategic bombers and missile carriers, as well as aircraft of military transport aviation, the problem is solved in the same way as in passenger aircraft or long-distance trains. The dimensions allow designers to create almost ordinary toilets in such machines, adjusted for air placement.

All modern strategists are equipped with toilets with toilets, so that if the pilot is pressed in flight, he will be able to take advantage of the benefits of civilization with peace of mind. In strategic bombers, which can be in the sky during a standard flight for 12 hours or more, and sometimes even a day, there are not only toilets, but also portable stoves or microwave ovens to warm up and cook food.

How fighter pilots go to the toilet
What the "nasty bucket" looked like in the early series Tu-95

The famous strategic Tu-160 has a separate compartment with a toilet, however, not everyone who is not closely familiar with the plane will recognize the toilet in this room. There is a fairly high-tech design with a folding toilet. But nevertheless, a special room has been allocated for the latrine. Until the early 95s, there was no separate room for a toilet in Tu-1980 bombers. The Soviet pilots had nothing to hide, so the toilet was installed right behind the radio operator's workplace right in the cockpit. For obvious reasons, no one liked to use it. Although it is hard to believe that during many hours of flights, there was no situation when the pilot would want to go "in a big way", here you really don't want to, but still use the available amenities, even if such a toilet bowl in the cockpit received the nickname "nasty bucket" from the pilots ". In the Tu-95MS bombers, starting from 1981, apparently, a separate toilet cabin did appear.

In transport aviation, everything was even simpler. In older aircraft, such as the An-12, the problem was solved as simply as possible - a large galvanized or plastic bucket in the cargo hold, which could be covered with a lid. In more modern machines, the Il-76M and An-124, there were separate toilet modules, close to those that can be found on passenger aircraft. The situation with the A-50 was curious. This Soviet AWACS aircraft with a crew of up to 15 people initially might not have received a toilet. There is a legend that the onboard toilet of a simple design on board the aircraft appeared only after the personal intervention of the Chief Marshal of Aviation P. S. Kutakhov, who, to put it mildly, was not enthusiastic about the idea of ​​using a bucket in an airplane worth a third of a billion dollars.


Toilet compartment in Tu-160 with an unfolded toilet

How is the toilet problem solved in Russian fighters?


In fighters and frontline bombers, the toilet problem is much more acute. Initially, they were designed for flights of a couple of hours at most, but taking into account the development of technology and the appearance of flying tankers, the planes began to spend 12-15 hours in the sky due to refueling. In such a situation, no pilot can tolerate. True, in tactical aviation, only a problem with a small need is solved. As a rule, such machines never have a toilet, this is typical for airplanes of all countries. For this reason, pilots have at their disposal special hermetically sealed containers for collecting urine, called sanitary tanks or sanitary tanks. Such containers can be found on the Su-27 and MiG-29 fighters, as well as on the Su-34 front-line fighter-bombers.

The sanitary tank itself is the most simple device in design, which every pilot has. Outwardly, it is a metal tank that has a fairly wide neck. The inside of the cistern may contain special chemicals that neutralize unpleasant odors. A simple and time-tested device that has not changed on domestic aircraft for decades. But there are some inconveniences: the pilot needs to free his hands in order to unfasten the overalls, leaving the control of the car for a while.


Source: foxbat.livejournal.com

For the fifth generation fighters in Russia, a fundamentally new device has already been created - special underpants with a hood. Back in 2013, the latest device was demonstrated by representatives of OJSC NPP Zvezda. Special underpants with the PZh-1 fluid receiver make life much easier for the pilot, since he no longer needs to unbutton the harness, flight overalls, and also be distracted from direct control of the aircraft in order to empty his bladder. In the cramped cockpit of modern fighters, when the pilot is dressed in a special anti-overload suit and is fastened to the ejection seat, it is not so easy to go to the toilet, so the PZh-1 is a rather progressive system.

These melts with a draft began to be developed back in the early 1990s specifically for the MiG-31 interceptor fighters, whose pilots can patrol the airspace for many hours. As Vladimir Ushinin, the chief specialist of OAO NPP Zvezda, said in an interview with Izvestia in 2013, the PZh-1 complex was compatible with survival kits not only for the MiG-31 aircraft, but also for the Su-27 and Su-30 aircraft. The device, by the way, was once purchased by the Chinese along with the purchased Su-27 fighters.

According to the developers, PZh-1 is an ordinary cotton panties / swimming trunks, in the groin area of ​​which there is a special reservoir, where the liquid goes. This tank is connected to the on-board sewage system using a hose with a bypass valve. This system, due to the ejector supplied with hot air, when activated, ensures that the pilot's urine is removed overboard the fighter.

Special panties with PZh-1 liquid receiver

How are things going with air toilets in the USA?


Americans have similar problems and solutions. There are separate toilet cabins on strategic aircraft and transport vehicles, everything is quite simple there. But with fighter aircraft, difficulties also arise. As the American pilots say, they also cannot go to the toilet in a big way, but it is really possible to cope with a small need, however, the process, as in the case of Soviet / Russian lugs, requires some skill.

While the cockpit of a modern fighter jet is an ultra-modern space with the utmost emphasis on ergonomics and convenience, there is simply nowhere to place a toilet. All buttons and controls are located so that the pilot can easily reach them in any situation, the plane and the pilot simply become one. All this is complemented by helmets with information display, and soon augmented reality systems will be added to this. Despite all the observed technological progress, the solution to the problem of the physiological needs of the pilot has remained practically unchanged for decades. Perhaps, the problem will be completely solved not in such a distant future, but only with a complete transition to unmanned aircraft. In the meantime, the pilots of the F-15 and F-16 fighters, as well as their colleagues flying on the fifth-generation F-35 aircraft, are forced to use the simplest devices.

On training flights, which rarely last more than 1,5 hours, there is simply no need for a toilet on board the fighter, especially if you do not drink coffee or tea in mugs before the flight. However, modern combat missions or flights across the Atlantic in time began to take 8-10 hours, and some American pilots of F-15E fighter-bombers spent 15 hours in the sky, performing combat missions in Afghanistan. And this is already a problem. No pilot can take that much. On such long flights, American pilots use small pouches made of durable polymer material, affectionately known as Piddle Packs.


Piddle Packs Used by American Pilots

The device is a simple flexible plastic container that contains a special chemical in the form of small, absorbent, spherical granules. The filling of the container turns urine into a gel, eliminating unpleasant odors. The bags are equipped with a special lock, but even in case of heavy overloads, difficult maneuvers or damage, the gel is unlikely to leak out or create inconvenience once it is in the cockpit.

With a simple scheme and principle of operation of the device, in order to use it in flight, you need to have a certain skill and preparation. Just imagine that you want to go to the toilet in a moving car with a plastic bottle on hand, while you need to maintain a speed limit and not leave the lane. Now imagine a pilot in the cockpit of a fighter, who is in incomparably more difficult conditions. He controls a supersonic aircraft that flies at an altitude of several thousand meters above the ground, making maneuvers in three-dimensional space not only horizontally, but also vertically. Here it is already not so easy to unzip the zipper on the flight suit, and the pilot still needs not to make sudden movements so as not to accidentally touch some toggle switch.
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  1. nnm
    nnm 14 December 2020 18: 06
    +46
    So this changes everything! And then I was in traffic jams, I suffered all the time!
    And where can you order panties with a hood?
    I agree to family polka dots, generations not lower than 4 ++!
    No run!
    1. Bashkirkhan
      Bashkirkhan 14 December 2020 19: 04
      +30
      For Moscow traffic jams, by the way, these nishtyaks are not at all superfluous, you can stir up some kind of startup on the topic of the struggle of conscience and honor with natural needs. The idea for a startup is a toilet on wheels. A bathroom can be found in a traffic jam using the app. You just need to be in time, until these were taken up by Yandex, and "YaSortir" did not appear.
      1. Fizik M
        Fizik M 14 December 2020 19: 37
        -16%
        Quote: Bashkirkhan
        Only

        Monsieur LIAR, YOU have been asked a question https://topwar.ru/178067-aprksn-vladimir-monomah-proizvel-zalpovyj-pusk-chetyreh-mbr-bulava.html#comment-id-11054239
        if you please answer for your lying bazaar
      2. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 14 December 2020 20: 38
        +1
        Quote: Bashkirkhan
        can I stir up some kind of startup

        The trailer has a personal dry closet.
        Cheap and angry
        1. Bad_gr
          Bad_gr 15 December 2020 00: 02
          0
          Quote: Lipchanin
          Cheap and angry

          Put this instead of the driver's seat - and no problem
      3. Starover_Z
        Starover_Z 15 December 2020 00: 46
        +1
        Quote: Bashkirkhan
        For Moscow traffic jams, by the way, these nishtyaks are not at all superfluous, you can stir up some kind of startup on the topic of the struggle of conscience and honor with natural needs.

        So if there are traffic jams in the same places, then let Sobyanin build multi-level toilets there!
        If you have to stand for a long time, then you can jump out for a few minutes. The task of the Moscow mayor's office!
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 15 December 2020 01: 16
          +1
          Quote: Starover_Z
          So if there are traffic jams in the same places, then let Sobyanin build multi-level toilets there!

          For motorists, special bottles were produced for urine.
        2. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 15 December 2020 03: 33
          +1
          Quote: Starover_Z
          and jump out for a few minutes.


          You jumped out, and I sat in your place and left laughing
      4. qQQQ
        qQQQ 15 December 2020 11: 45
        0
        Quote: Bashkirkhan
        For Moscow traffic jams, by the way, these nishtyaks are not at all superfluous, you can stir up some kind of startup on the topic of the struggle of conscience and honor with natural needs.

        Everything has already been invented, special urine bags are sold, like American ones, only there is not chemistry poured, but something like a diaper, it has been in the car for several years, a fairly small package, just in case.
      5. Alexander Vorontsov
        Alexander Vorontsov 16 December 2020 12: 18
        +1
        With a simple scheme and principle of operation of the device, in order to use it in flight, you need to have a certain skill and preparation. Just imagine that you want to go to the toilet in a moving car with a plastic bottle at hand, while you need to maintain a speed limit and not leave the lane. Now imagine a pilot in the cockpit of a fighter, who is in incomparably more difficult conditions. He controls a supersonic aircraft that flies at an altitude of several thousand meters above the ground, making maneuvers in three-dimensional space not only horizontally, but also vertically. It is already not so easy to unzip the zipper on the flight suit,

        Why unbutton your suit?

        In diving we use urinators on dry suits, because time in the water can be up to a day, and it is necessary to consume liquid, and accordingly it is necessary to go to the toilet.

        To do this, a special "condom" is put on the penis, produced in 5 sizes with honey glue (light) on the inner walls. At the end there is a valve to which the tube is connected. The main thing is to "shave" otherwise then either cut or epilate.

        You just pee like nothing else. Psychologically, it’s true at first it’s difficult to force yourself to pee in your pants. But .. by an effort of will, you can teach yourself)))






        PS
        By the way, the device you mentioned, as I understand it, is put on a member BEFORE departure. And not during the pilot begins to get a member and urinate in the cockpit))))
        Here's another female version)))

    2. Vladimir 62
      Vladimir 62 15 December 2020 04: 09
      +3
      and what would blow overboard too? and now imagine you are standing in a traffic jam and everyone has such panties with a hood wink
      1. A B B A
        A B B A 11 March 2021 08: 36
        0
        Bottom line: the drivers solved their problems, and the asphalt of the road was washed
    3. maagalex
      maagalex 16 December 2020 01: 57
      0
      https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000510410655.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.27424c4ddeWWSM
      Everything was invented for a long time and costs a penny
  2. Theodore
    Theodore 14 December 2020 18: 08
    +2
    And how you can't do it on the train! Althoughyay! It could be used as a secret weapon! laughing
    1. nnm
      nnm 14 December 2020 18: 12
      +1
      This system, due to the ejector supplied with hot air, when activated, ensures that the pilot's urine is removed overboard the fighter.
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  3. Siberian 66
    Siberian 66 14 December 2020 18: 15
    +4
    "According to the developers, the PZh-1 is an ordinary cotton pants / swimming trunks, in the groin area of ​​which there is a special reservoir, where the liquid goes. This reservoir is connected to the on-board sewage system by means of a hose with a bypass valve. This system is due to an ejector fed hot air, when activated, ensures that the pilot's urine is evacuated overboard the fighter. "

    That is, with special dexterity, you can surprise potential partners a little unpleasantly at the next close contact?
    1. pytar
      pytar 14 December 2020 18: 35
      +13
      That is, with special dexterity, you can surprise potential partners a little unpleasantly at the next close contact?

      They were already surprised in Space, because ... laughing "UFOs spotted from the ISS by an astronaut turned out to be drops of urine from Russians":
      https://iz.ru/1093199/2020-11-28/zamechennye-s-mks-astronavtom-nlo-okazalis-kapliami-mochi-rossiian
      1. nod739
        nod739 14 December 2020 23: 53
        0
        And it was the other way around ... read how the Americans flew on the shuttle. Yes, and on Saturn. And about the story, how something burst there)) and the rest of the flight took place in a fecal-dispersed atmosphere
      2. shonsu
        shonsu 16 December 2020 11: 22
        0
        Ahaha! How was it determined? Taste? Mmm, Svechnikov! lol laughing
    2. A B B A
      A B B A 11 March 2021 08: 38
      0
      What kind of "close contact" are we talking about?
  4. Petrograd
    Petrograd 14 December 2020 18: 28
    +22
    I remember the service in the navy, when on watch (I was the helmsman), I asked the watchman to run away to the wind for good, he touched his ears and said dry - it doesn’t pour, so you will tolerate repeat
    1. Andrey NM
      Andrey NM 14 December 2020 19: 08
      +2
      Yeah ... As in a joke: what is the main thing in a tank during a battle?
      You don't have to run far in the boat, the urinal is just a stone's throw away. The main thing there is not to get confused in a pile of pants.
      1. DBB4247
        DBB4247 14 December 2020 20: 25
        +6
        In the boat you need to be ABLE to use the latrine, otherwise there will be a very big trouble!
        1. Andrey NM
          Andrey NM 14 December 2020 20: 37
          +3
          Quote: DBB4247
          In the boat you need to be ABLE to use the latrine, otherwise there will be a very big trouble!

          I meant the urinal in the wheelhouse enclosure. Well, downstairs in the latrine, the pedal must be pressed carefully. True, sometimes you can see how the bubbles gurgle. You can press the pedal before making sure there is no pressure. Well, look at the manometers.
          1. rudolff
            rudolff 14 December 2020 23: 30
            +5
            Hi Andrew! In practice, I was at the 613th project in Liepaja. So there is a latrine (hole) in the retractable fence, probably the main one. When surfacing, all take turns there, at the same time you can smoke.
            1. Andrey NM
              Andrey NM 15 December 2020 06: 41
              +3
              Hello Rudolph! And the theme is so gorgeous. Topical for pilots and submariners. And as we just don't talk about airplanes here, we still go to the Navy :).
              1. rudolff
                rudolff 15 December 2020 08: 16
                +2
                By the way, yes! The topic is gorgeous and worthy of a separate article on the SP. It will seem like a trifle to many, but what a serious problem it really is!
                If the pressure is not checked, not equalized, such a cheerful geyser can turn out. And then, if not for combat, the ventilation of perfume and in the neighboring compartments ... On the nuclear submarines it is simpler, but on the old diesel-electric submarines, after all, you can't even wash properly.
      2. Petrograd
        Petrograd 15 December 2020 00: 01
        +2
        On the box (as we affectionately called our ship Mpkproekt 1124m, we still had to manage to reach the latrine, and if it also “chatters.” Then the task becomes more complicated, plus a bunch of buttons. the vest was also a flannel Dutch woman, she also fastened on the back in front and on the sides with buttons - in short, the wind does not blow beautifully, but putting on and taking off is a hassle and figs with him for the navy is my happiest time drinks
        1. rudolff
          rudolff 15 December 2020 08: 23
          +2
          I got to the fleet after an urgent "in boots" and the naval uniform at first created a lot of problems out of habit. An itch, you run into the latrine, feverishly fumble with your hand in front, and there is nothing there! No fly, nothing!
          lol
        2. Serg65
          Serg65 16 December 2020 11: 51
          +1
          Quote: Petrograd
          Lanele Dutch woman, she also fastened on the back in front and on the sides with buttons-shorter

          what Is it possible in more detail ... about a Dutch woman with hooks ???
          1. Petrograd
            Petrograd 16 December 2020 14: 15
            0
            Did I write hooks ??? There were loops on the sides in the area of ​​the seams and in front there was also a loop for buttons, when you put on trousers all this business can be fastened, although I honestly admit why I don’t know why these difficulties?
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 16 December 2020 14: 22
              +1
              Quote: Petrograd
              On the sides in the area of ​​the seams there were loops and in front there was also a loop for buttons, when you put on trousers all this thing can be fastened

              For the life of me, I don't remember these "loops" .... if there were "loops" then the trousers should have had buttons too .. but they were not there!
  5. iouris
    iouris 14 December 2020 18: 30
    +7
    And how do the caps go? Interesting. We didn't go through it.
    1. Reviews
      Reviews 14 December 2020 19: 17
      +1
      Quote: iouris
      And how do the caps go? Interesting. We didn't go through it.

      On the shuttles, astronauts wore diapers.
    2. EvilLion
      EvilLion 15 December 2020 08: 16
      0
      Jokes aside, but it's easier to keep them away from fighters. And there will be no need to solve such problems.
  6. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 14 December 2020 18: 34
    +16
    I remember I was in a traffic jam for 4,5 hours. Already a tear from my eye ran away so much. And there were no magic cowards.
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 14 December 2020 19: 07
      +4
      Quote: 7,62x54
      And there were no magic cowards.

      "You're lying, you won't get through!" Avarice failed ... I decided to save money! There are "magic cowards"! Pampers are called! yes
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 14 December 2020 20: 42
        +5
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        There are "magic cowards"!

        Mom sewed me panties from birch bark
        So that the priest does not sweat and do not bite mosquitoes laughing
    2. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 14 December 2020 22: 57
      +4
      After arriving in Rostov and sticking out there in a traffic jam near the firecracker market that had just burnt down, I prepared a liter bottle of Kuban "Home Wine" - a very convenient bottle with a wide neck. Screw cap. The only inconvenience will be when using it on the move. and it will not be very convenient to tighten the cork, or rather the lid, as on cans.
      As for the wine, I liked the semi-dry red better. The wine is not expensive (140 rubles / l), but I liked it.
    3. Petrograd
      Petrograd 15 December 2020 00: 10
      0
      It is really difficult to get a bottle of lemonade or soda, but you can take your time and without pressure yes
  7. Thrifty
    Thrifty 14 December 2020 18: 37
    +1
    I still did not understand how fighter pilots poop, and where? So they wear "gold" in overalls, the whole flight? belay
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 14 December 2020 19: 00
      +8
      I don’t know about fighter pilots, but my uncle told me about the old "strategists". He was a techie with those.
      We saw the board. Twelve hours. Well, they say - then wait for that. The team lined up. Are waiting. Here it is - a bomber. Decreases, touches, rolls along takeoff. Each technician monitors the state of what he was responsible for before takeoff. It seems that everything is in place, and then the uncle notices that the commander of the board shows some movements towards the tail, pokes his finger, gestures. The entire calculation studies the tail unit on a rolling plane. Everything is okay!
      The plane froze. The techie rushed to the tail, and the uncle to the commander:
      - What about the tail ?!
      - Nothing ... I asked to take the bucket there ... It was impatient at the very landing. Okay, now it's just a shower ..
      And no one whinnied, did not apply. Everyone got it right.
    2. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 14 December 2020 19: 28
      +1
      Quote: Thrifty
      how do fighter pilots poop, and where?

      Where, where ... that's about the pilots fighters-bomber Su-34 (bombers are from the "evil one"!) I will say:The aircraft package includes a compact dry closet and a pair of su-27 sanitary tanks. The pilots usually go to the luge for small needs, but in the dry closet - in other cases) In the normal state, the dry closet is folded and put in a rack. In addition, in the same compartment there is a microwave oven for heating food, next to it there is a food ration and a first aid kit. Well, if you imagine a little, then you might think about diapers ...!
    3. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 14 December 2020 20: 47
      -1
      Quote: Thrifty
      So they wear "gold" in overalls for the whole flight?

      After the flight, they rent yes laughing
      Children even carry it with them.
      So they are arranged that there is no discomfort.
      Snipers also use this when tracking a target for hours.
  8. Bez 310
    Bez 310 14 December 2020 18: 56
    +5
    And on Tu-22m3 there is no toilet bowl ...
    1. Avior
      Avior 14 December 2020 19: 27
      +9
      A bucket with a lid?
      I have a friend who flew in a transport Anya as a cargo escort as a crew member.
      They tolerate as much as possible, do not drink water. Who is the last, he endures smile
      1. Bez 310
        Bez 310 14 December 2020 20: 56
        +2
        Quote: Avior
        A bucket with a lid?

        There is nothing of the kind, there is not even a hint of a toilet.
        In general, it can be very difficult at times ...
      2. Petrograd
        Petrograd 15 December 2020 00: 15
        -1
        I will not faint, but I read that the flyers also have a diet, especially before departures, so as not to postpone surprises in flight often and God forbid that they are carried
    2. Left shot
      Left shot 16 December 2020 21: 36
      0
      His task is to break through the air defense at lightning speed, strike and not return. Why is there a toilet?
  9. BAI
    BAI 14 December 2020 18: 58
    +4
    I immediately remembered anecdote.
    A Su-30 is flying, and 2 F-16s are being made nearby: we can do it anyway, and so, but you can't.
    Well, the pilot of the Su-30 says, yes I can, then you can never.
    So what? Show me!
    Please.
    10 minutes pass, nothing happens.
    F-16 pilots - so what can you do?
    Pilot Su-30. Yes, during this time I went to the toilet and drank coffee.

    This system, due to the ejector supplied with hot air, when activated, ensures that the pilot's urine is removed overboard the fighter.

    As far as I understand, this suction device was bought in a sex shop.
    1. Petrograd
      Petrograd 15 December 2020 00: 22
      -2
      Well, it's easier for you to train easy-behaved ladies to create the effect of a pressure difference (well, you understand, why it is convenient and pleasant for flyers, too, you need to pamper not only chocolate repeat
    2. EvilLion
      EvilLion 15 December 2020 08: 27
      0
      The anecdote is most likely from machinima by curl, and there is a fighter and transporters.
    3. Intruder
      Intruder 15 December 2020 20: 49
      0
      Bravo hi , anecdote on the topic :)))
  10. Kote Pan Kokhanka
    Kote Pan Kokhanka 14 December 2020 19: 03
    +1
    As far as I remember, the MiG-31 has a full toilet.
    1. Reviews
      Reviews 14 December 2020 19: 18
      +6
      Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
      As far as I remember, the MiG-31 has a full toilet.

      Whereeee ??! Two conventional fighter cockpits. The Su-34 has a bio-storage facility.
    2. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 14 December 2020 20: 51
      +1
      Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
      As far as I remember, the MiG-31 has a full toilet.

      In which place?
    3. akarfoxhound
      akarfoxhound 15 December 2020 02: 14
      0
      Cool, can you share your memories? laughing
  11. Avior
    Avior 14 December 2020 19: 25
    +4
    How fighter pilots go to the toilet

    They don't go to the toilet, they sit in the toilet! smile
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 14 December 2020 20: 52
      +1
      Quote: Avior
      They don't go to the toilet, they sit in the toilet!

      Chukchi is not a reader, he is a writer laughing
  12. xomaNN
    xomaNN 14 December 2020 19: 25
    0
    In traffic jams on the roads of Moscow, drivers limit themselves to PET containers for P-skaki wassat

    But for the pilots, yes, it is difficult and inconvenient to pee ...
    1. Bolt cutter
      Bolt cutter 14 December 2020 20: 16
      +1
      In traffic jams on the roads of Moscow, drivers limit themselves to PET containers for P-skaki
      Drivers of famous London red doubledeckers drink drinks from wide-mouth bottles while driving, as if specially invented by marketers for recycling like the above-described sleds. Throw it out, twisting the plug, through the window onto the road wassat It is necessary to look, passing by the roadside, otherwise they will crush such a "chemical munition" with wheels - and a shower (clean laughing ) will become a necessity.
    2. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 14 December 2020 20: 53
      +1
      Quote: xomaNN
      But for the pilots, yes, it is difficult and inconvenient to pee ...

      Such a saying.
      If you want piss, take off your pants laughing
  13. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 14 December 2020 20: 01
    +1
    If you really want ... then you can!
  14. RoTTor
    RoTTor 14 December 2020 20: 05
    0
    Authors ...
    AWACS aircraft - have always been previously part of the air defense aviation, P.S. Kutakhov had nothing to do with them.
    These were Tu-126s, stationed in Siauliai and there were only 8-9 sides.
    And the case with the filthy bucket is real, only the then air defense aviation commander Savitsky appeared in it.

    In order not to pee in flight, the custom appeared - to pee on the landing gear before flight.
    How, 3 hours before departure, he was preparing for a long flight on the U-2 spy plane, already in the cockpit, is described in the memoirs of the shot down Powes.

    Our long-range escort fighters of both Lavochkin and Tu-128, which worked with AWACS aircraft in the Arctic Ocean, had no toilet facilities at all

    So that there are no toilet problems on bombers and transport equipment, the food ration is such that after it it does not pull on the pot.
    1. Avior
      Avior 14 December 2020 20: 30
      +4
      In order not to pee in flight, the custom appeared - to pee on the landing gear before flight.


      although they have conveniences
      smile
      1. Simargl
        Simargl 14 December 2020 20: 48
        +2
        Quote: Avior
        although they have conveniences
        Gagarin cast it and bequeathed to the rest.
        Traditions.
      2. Pushkar
        Pushkar 14 December 2020 21: 06
        +4
        Quote: Avior
        although they have conveniences

        There was a bike about Savitsky. They gave him an American helicopter on skids for his office needs. Before taking off, the "Dragon" walked around the helicopter, did not find the wheel and refused to fly.
    2. Bez 310
      Bez 310 14 December 2020 21: 01
      +1
      Quote: RoTTor
      So that there are no toilet problems on bombers and transport equipment, the food ration is such that after it it does not pull on the pot.

      And you can learn more about what is so special about
      these board rations that "after him does not pull the pot"?
    3. Stas Sv
      Stas Sv 14 December 2020 22: 15
      +1
      I agree to all 100%! soldier
      I wanted to answer right away, and then decided to read the comments. The article is so-so half-truth and has been sucked out of the Internet.
      Well, about the An-12 in particular - yes, the soldiers had a bucket, but it was in the pressurized compartment! Because how will you get into the cargo room at a height of 6-7 thousand?
      However, the civil An-12 (former military) are all retrofitted with dry closets.
  15. DBB4247
    DBB4247 14 December 2020 20: 39
    +3
    There was such a legend in the fleet. In the 60s, a certain lady turned out to be the chief designer of a high-speed torpedo boat. Everything was normal on it, even a small enclosure for the galley was attached. But they forgot about the latrine. The boat went through sea trials for a long time, not everything went well. The crew adapted at the very least: they hung on the run by the cut of the stern with their fifth point and, convulsively clinging to the flagpole, emptied themselves. And the spray from below turned it all into a kind of bidet. But once the Chief Designer went to the running gear ... Here ... The whole series was wrapped up for revision
  16. ustavshiy shmel
    ustavshiy shmel 14 December 2020 20: 52
    +3
    Neither the A-50 'nor the A-50U have toilets. More precisely, there is a small compartment for it, and there is a bucket. Once, when Ivanov was still the Minister of Defense, he flew on our plane to a joint exercise in Belarus, we were given a biocapacity in the toilet compartment. We were delighted ... We thought at least one semblance of a toilet bowl would be. Took away, parasites FSOshniki lol wassat
  17. nznz
    nznz 14 December 2020 21: 00
    +23
    It's not that simple. Sorry, I'll take time. I worked on Novaya Zemlya, my wife spent 42 days with him, then I flew in and another 42 days with the baby. The katan was stocking up on the sun all summer.
    But it was time to move home. I managed to get on a military board, bypassing the murky Aeroflot flights on Nizhny-Arkhara flights, and then hang out at the airport with a child and wait for boarding Amderma-2. As a military aircraft, I landed on Burevestnik and by lunchtime you were in the MSC, spent the night with my sister with a reyenk and in the morning in Astafyevo at the airfield, there I entered the flight list and stay with the group that then moves into the plane. plane. A pressurized cabin for 12 people, packed tightly there. Everyone wanted to get to Rogachenvo directly in 24 hours without any interruptions or waiting for the flight. In the morning they took me to boarding, nothing foreshadowed trouble. The trouble was on the train when my son was only 5.5 years old, a native New Zealander asked for the toilet and dirtied it so I was in despair. they looked at me, at the child, and skalai-go daddy, we'll take it away, a child is a child. Well, then the last throw. For a little while the kid was having fun, everything is fine. Many people got on the plane in the pressurized cabin. The cargo hold is battened down, it is empty. The flight mechanic, according to the laws of hospitality, fastened a rectangular samovar to the bulkhead, smashed some sweets and cookies for tea. We fly, the commander of the ship is in the glass bow, the navigator below looks through the glass barrel downward. The mechanic is pushing on the threshold with his legs dangling into the cockpit. People read newspapers, are busy with killing time. The motors hum quietly, smoothly. I was dozing, and suddenly my son fiddles with me. In the silence, he clearly said: "Dad, I want to poop." It hit me like an electric shock. It's not possible a bucket or a toilet bowl, and at least something remains in the hold, it is cut off by a door tightly. It's warm and you can breathe only here in the cockpit. We flew high. what to do? I pretended that I had not heard ... but a minute later I again heard the familiar phrase. In anguish I examined the passengers; their faces were stern; the military sailors, in black iron coats, silently looked at me. I didn't know what to do. Opposite was a huge midshipman with a mustache like Pesnyary's. He reproachfully said to me: "Well, why are you torturing a child? Let him take a shit!" ... To this day, I remember this long time of the person. I did not hesitate to spread the glossy issue of Spiel-info in 2 layers. unlaced the kid, and he did his job, quickly and clearly). I also quickly drank it up and laced it back up. I folded the newspapers into a bag, and put them in double bags from under something. I hid everything in my backpack. However, you can't pack the smell like that. '' The passengers were still sitting with lumpy faces, but suddenly the commander's voice came from the wheelhouse. Mechanic, someone died on the plane? What is the stench?
    The onboard mechanic cheerfully reported - the commander, it's a child crap. And then everyone laughed .. and I have some kind of relaxation. The new land did not accept us, 5.5 o'clock was all for nothing, the window closed and we were turned into Katutnino due to the weather. As soon as we sat down, I liquidated the package. We sat for three days waiting for the weather. Then the weather took pity and we flew away and successfully landed in Rogachev. Before boarding the plane, all the passengers passing by us were quietly interested, Valya, did you poop? The son confidently nodded his head and the reassured passengers took their seats. these are the toilets .. in memory like yesterday.
    1. nznz
      nznz 14 December 2020 21: 16
      +3
      for what. you understand that from the anecdote the words cannot be thrown in - I did not swear the word is not abusive ..
      1. iouris
        iouris 14 December 2020 23: 04
        0
        Come on. It is always like this with them: there is, but there is no word. Political correctness, swing it there ...
    2. Stas Sv
      Stas Sv 14 December 2020 22: 25
      +1
      Quote: nznz
      Pressurized cabin for 24 people

      Forgive it where you saw such a pressurized compartment on the An-12 ???
      1. Laksamana besar
        Laksamana besar 15 December 2020 00: 33
        +1
        Initially (about the first 100 aircraft) the middle part of the fuselage of the An-12 was sealed, then they stopped producing such.
        1. Stas Sv
          Stas Sv 15 December 2020 15: 11
          +1
          I mean, uncle and son flew in Irkutsk cars, I suppose.
          But the "old men" who flew on the An-12 all their lives never remembered about it belay
      2. nznz
        nznz 15 December 2020 23: 45
        0
        How can I describe it, I'm not a pilot. But believe me when flying, let the pilots tell you. The room is small, it seems they called it a pressurized cabin. I have tied up with NZ since 90 and did not fly. by memory. but he definitely was.
    3. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 14 December 2020 23: 37
      +1
      Bravo, comrade!
  18. Pushkar
    Pushkar 14 December 2020 21: 01
    +2
    People, given the American experience, it is enough to have a bag with cat litter in the car. That's the whole startup.
    1. Petrik66
      Petrik66 15 December 2020 09: 37
      0
      and if you need to twist the barrel or Nesterov's loop? As then? The tray can fail, twist, and yours arrives for you?))))
    2. Left shot
      Left shot 16 December 2020 21: 38
      0
      Yes, you can just put a tray with filler in the corner of the cabin and all the problems. If desired and by and large ...
  19. agoran
    agoran 14 December 2020 21: 26
    +3
    Well, in IBA the flight is usually 50-60 minutes, then no problem.
    At the "Start" during the flights, pilots and technicians were fed in the same hall. Separate tables were for the "companions" and for the squadrons, the RP were served by waitresses out of turn.
    So, for the pilots, for the first time, only borscht or soup with dumplings, and for techies, pea soup with smoked meats (yes, they cooked well and tasty, you could even make an order for lunch on a normal, non-flight day).
    We secretly exchanged plates, there were never any problems.
  20. rudolff
    rudolff 14 December 2020 23: 35
    +8
    I had to fly on VTAashny IL-76x. There is a normal toilet, but no one used it, so as not to bother with the tank at the airfield later. There is an ordinary bucket. Endured by the one who went first. All endure to the last, until someone can stand it.
    wassat
  21. akarfoxhound
    akarfoxhound 15 December 2020 02: 38
    +3
    Where did the author get the idea of ​​a separate booth in the Tu-95MS? All the same and in the same place - behind the "emperor of communication". In Tu-22 there are adaptations "for small", but no one has ever used or uses them: firstly, no one will take out and rinse the container for you, and secondly, to do this in a fitted outfit, fastened on, you need to have a farm up to your knees ... Young people who come to regiments 22 usually, when passing tests for admission to flights, are played, driving according to the knowledge of the cockpit fittings, they show "What kind of funnel is this?" "Yes fur knows him!" "This is an emergency SPU, in case of failure of the main" (aircraft intercom) "Be sure to check before the flight. Ori here, I will listen to the operability in the next cabin."
    In the front-line small aviation, this is generally out of the question. For the first time I hear for the filipersky pants of the MiG-31 crews, not what I see. Author, where did you get this? A habit is developed - whether you want it or not, you go off before the flight. And not on pneumatics, God forbid!, But behind the tail of your swallow, behind the bumpers. And nothing, in a fighter plane for a couple of hours, in a transport or Carcass 22nd 4-5 hours and you don't remember. A sharp memory pops up as you get out of the cockpit. The crew has this reflex over the years, like Pavlov's dog. Do not drink in liters of water before a long stretch - and you will be happy.
  22. Li17
    Li17 15 December 2020 06: 55
    0
    Quote: nnm
    So this changes everything! And then I was in traffic jams, I suffered all the time!

    And in order not to suffer, I have been driving an ordinary 0,7 jar for many years. Our psychology has always amazed me, I will suffer ... Why? We are all waiting for someone to do something to us!
  23. EvilLion
    EvilLion 15 December 2020 08: 22
    0
    From the memoirs of Australian pilots in Indochina during WWII. Everyone at the base has some kind of intestinal infection, then the person is completely healthy, then it hurts sharply, and on flights he took off, everything is fine, then once, and all that remains is to shit either for himself or in the cockpit.
    1. Stepan S
      Stepan S 8 February 2021 22: 24
      0
      Now there are no problems with this - I took it, took a pill of loperamide and didn't want to go to the toilet for two days.
  24. Narak-zempo
    Narak-zempo 15 December 2020 09: 04
    -2
    The development of neurointerfaces over time will make it possible to make cyborg airplanes, where the pilot will only have a brain with a power supply system and leads to sensors and control surfaces.
  25. Petrik66
    Petrik66 15 December 2020 09: 35
    0
    My grandfather fought on the Il 2 from 1942 to 45. So he told me that in the morning everyone walked to the wind and did not eat anything during the flights, since it was possible to do it at once. Not from fear, because immediately after the flight, fear and nerves went away, but from surprise, when they hit you, it came out differently.
  26. Lelik76
    Lelik76 15 December 2020 13: 51
    0
    Quote: BAI
    I immediately remembered anecdote.
    A Su-30 is flying, and 2 F-16s are being made nearby: we can do it anyway, and so, but you can't.
    Well, the pilot of the Su-30 says, yes I can, then you can never.
    So what? Show me!
    Please.
    10 minutes pass, nothing happens.
    F-16 pilots - so what can you do?
    Pilot Su-30. Yes, during this time I went to the toilet and drank coffee.

    This system, due to the ejector supplied with hot air, when activated, ensures that the pilot's urine is removed overboard the fighter.

    As far as I understand, this suction device was bought in a sex shop.

    With the hot air, the author of the article certainly went too far. On the Su-30SM, for the ACS system (as it is called), air is simply taken from the SCR and is not at all hot, the same air is used to cool radio equipment blocks, for example. So basically, the pilot on this machine can allow him to suck ... urine overboard.
    1. mmaxx
      mmaxx 16 December 2020 17: 04
      0
      There even this tube comes out. Below in the area under the cockpit. A little to the port side. Mm 10. It also sticks out by 10-15 mm
  27. PilotS37
    PilotS37 15 December 2020 14: 45
    0
    There was such a story in the late 1980s ... Without documentary evidence.
    The test pilots of the Sukhoi Design Bureau flew to test the in-flight refueling system on the Su-27UB (for the first time in the USSR such a system was installed on the Ten). It was supposed to fly from Moscow to Komsomolsk and back. Without landing, of course. The flight was very long (more than 12 hours), but somehow the "fighter" design bureau did not finish it: the pilots guessed to put talcum powder in overalls (so that those asses would not sit out), but "toiletries" were not provided ...
    In short, it DID DIFFERENT on the way back ... At first, the pilots were trying to interrupt the flight and land somewhere, but they were ordered to fly further. "How are we to be?" - "Go under yourself! Not young ladies, tea!" ... well, someone went ... And talcum powder reacted with urine and this mixture began to burn the causal place ... They say that the rest of the way the guys walked on afterburner, although this is not economical.
    After this story, the General ordered a full toilet on the future Su-34. Fortunately, there is a lot of space there.
    1. Lelik76
      Lelik76 15 December 2020 17: 00
      0
      On the Su-27UB (the one that was even without a refueling bar), each pilot had a 2-3 liter sanitary tank. It was installed on the port side and had a hose with a funnel-shaped receiver. I personally saw when these machines were assembled at our factory.
      1. PilotS37
        PilotS37 15 December 2020 17: 19
        0
        Quote: Lelik76
        On the Su-27UB (the one that was even without a refueling bar), each pilot had a 2-3 liter sanitary tank. It was installed on the port side and had a hose with a funnel-shaped receiver. I personally saw when these machines were assembled at our factory.

        I repeat, I don’t have any documents, but this story was circulating in KB at that time.
        That UB was experienced - maybe they started putting on the series later?
  28. fliger85
    fliger85 15 December 2020 19: 07
    0
    We flew in the Su-25, and there were no such breakdowns, but there the flight was 40-50 minutes ...
  29. Sea breeze
    Sea breeze 17 December 2020 10: 11
    0
    The problem with the toilet on board can be solved by the command * Put on diapers!)))
  30. Bshkaus
    Bshkaus 18 December 2020 11: 41
    0
    For five years I didn’t give the author pluses for articles, but here I deserved it. There is a nuance with PZH-1: any awkward movement can pinch "the basis of Mr. Pe-Zhe's life" like "nettles". In any case, I once injured the most expensive because of the formed folds. That just not experience for the sake of the homeland)))
  31. REZMovec
    REZMovec 20 December 2020 15: 08
    0
    Quote: Alexander Vorontsov
    With a simple scheme and principle of operation of the device, in order to use it in flight, you need to have a certain skill and preparation. Just imagine that you want to go to the toilet in a moving car with a plastic bottle at hand, while you need to maintain a speed limit and not leave the lane. Now imagine a pilot in the cockpit of a fighter, who is in incomparably more difficult conditions. He controls a supersonic aircraft that flies at an altitude of several thousand meters above the ground, making maneuvers in three-dimensional space not only horizontally, but also vertically. It is already not so easy to unzip the zipper on the flight suit,

    Why unbutton your suit?

    In diving we use urinators on dry suits, because time in the water can be up to a day, and it is necessary to consume liquid, and accordingly it is necessary to go to the toilet.

    To do this, a special "condom" is put on the penis, produced in 5 sizes with honey glue (light) on the inner walls. At the end there is a valve to which the tube is connected. The main thing is to "shave" otherwise then either cut or epilate.

    You just pee like nothing else. Psychologically, it’s true at first it’s difficult to force yourself to pee in your pants. But .. by an effort of will, you can teach yourself)))






    PS
    By the way, the device you mentioned, as I understand it, is put on a member BEFORE departure. And not during the pilot begins to get a member and urinate in the cockpit))))
    Here's another female version)))


    The main thing is, having accustomed sebch to pee in your pants, not to do it on the shore, in the city, for example, when you are walking with your girlfriend / wife;)
  32. ua1osm
    ua1osm 20 December 2020 16: 21
    +1
    And if diarrhea, crap? How to be? We need combat diapers!
    And the outboard urine removal system must have reliable valves, otherwise the vacuum in the stratosphere can tear off the penis)).
    Even the respiratory system in case of failures on the MiG-31 led to the death of the crew and to a catastrophe.
  33. Shirts
    Shirts 23 December 2020 15: 15
    0
    https://aliexpress.ru/item/32968709717.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.264d33edJUtXMa&_ga=2.185357097.16523698.1608725498-1969349889.1608107135
    The Chinese, as usual, copied everything a long time ago. By the way, I bought the kit and am not complaining. Very convenient in traffic jams in the car.
  34. Vladimir Alekseevich
    Vladimir Alekseevich 29 January 2021 12: 34
    0
    It is necessary to make wider use of the idea of ​​encapsulating excrement and firing a shot towards a potential enemy. Add such an opportunity to the list of tactical and technical capabilities of bombers and fighters, as well as tanks and artillery :)
  35. seacap
    seacap 30 January 2021 11: 07
    +1
    Already got with this article, concerned about enuresis, the most pressing problem in aviation and astronautics. The people do not look, and the article is stubbornly and forcibly, directly manic in the 10th circle, is crammed into the site, for what purpose, at the request of the workers? Lushe would have raised issues of general education and upbringing, discrimination on the basis of professional qualifications for military personnel and military veterans in the issue of pension provision, professionalism of the media, etc. etc., there are many pressing and critical issues. It seems to me that the questions of physiology and methods of meeting the natural needs of whoever it is are not so urgent as to be raised again and again from year to year with the persistence of an oligophrenic person.
    1. A B B A
      A B B A 11 March 2021 08: 49
      0
      when you are pinned down, but it’s impossible to go, I’ll see how you will be worried about the issues of "general education and upbringing, discrimination on the basis of professional qualifications of military personnel and military service veterans in the matter of pensions, media professionalism, etc., etc. . "
  36. YOUR.
    YOUR. 8 March 2021 21: 04
    0
    Someone from deep Zamkadye is now reading these comments and thinks:
    - Fighters? MKAD? Traffic jams? No, have not heard! :)
  37. A B B A
    A B B A 11 March 2021 08: 46
    0
    You are here about diapers. But the problem is that the thinking of a modern person in this regard is probably different from the thinking of an old person of Soviet times. And the whole thing is that then there were no diapers, and the children were drummed into the idea that they had to stop pissing in their pants, they had to go to the toilet. And the man, growing up, got used to the fact that pissing in his pants was not comme il faut, and went to the toilet. Now how? He pisses from birth in pants, then all childhood - in diapers. That is, he gets used to pissing without taking off his pants. It is probably easier for him in the situations described in the article. True, something else is interesting here: what if you forget to wear it? And out of habit writing-writing ... You get used to good things quickly