Transparent ocean of the future - how real is it?

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Artificial intelligence, swarms drones, new detection systems, heavy-duty and compact pulse generators, ships without a crew - what will be the future of the navies of any country?


Source: lockheedmartin.com

Dangerous shores


This question is asked, perhaps, in all developed countries of the world and not only by developers weapons and military experts. An interesting opinion was expressed by Andrew Davis of our beloved "The National Interest".



Davis believes that in light of the development of modern means of fighting ships, the latter will soon find it increasingly difficult to approach the coastline of any developed state without the threat of damage.

It is logical. Two or three dozen hypersonic missiles fired from coastal installations will cost immeasurably less than, say, an aircraft carrier that they hit. Yes, modern facilities naval AA defense can reflect the blow or reduce its damage. Or they may not reflect.


Source: Russian Ministry of Defense, mil.ru

In any case, the coastline is moving away from where the sea meets land (for ships), to the point where coastal anti-ship missiles will reach.

And behind this hypothetical line, expensive ships with numerous crews simply have nothing to do.

And what about ships without a crew? And what about ships that have the ability to stealthily approach the shores?

Good questions.

In the second case, of course, we are talking about submarines, and not about "stealth" frigates or destroyers.

And it may well turn out that swarms of unmanned vehicles (not necessarily flying), controlled by artificial intelligence, supported by satellites in orbit, equipped with new signal detection and processing systems, will be able to finally and irrevocably send the very idea of ​​camouflage and covert movement of ship groupings and individual ships.


And then what will it cost, say, landing ships that cannot approach the landing site, or patrol corvettes that are unable to pursue a submarine?

It turns out that the best way to mitigate this problem is to build as many low-cost, remotely controlled combat platforms as possible, the loss of which will not affect either the budget or human potential.

This, however, does not at all solve the issues of amphibious operations, one way or another related to the approach to the coastline.

With submarines, the situation can also be quite peculiar.

A network of unmanned trackers deployed in a specific area and connected via satellites to an artificial intelligence system is armed, for example, with a quantum detection system.

Quantum magnetometry


Actually, work on airborne quantum radars is already underway in a number of countries. Quantum magnetometry is also quite a real thing. The German company Fraunhofer-Gesellschaft has been working on the creation of a quantum drive magnetometer for a year (developed by the Fraunhofer Institutes of Freiburg society).

In general, the Germans had a slightly different task than the detection of submarines, but the atomic bomb appeared somewhat earlier than the nuclear power plant.

The point is that any submarine would have a very difficult time avoiding the attention of such a detection network equipped with quantum magnetometers capable of capturing even small magnetic fields. And if we are talking about a modern submarine ...

The only question is in solving the problem of power supply and the size of the magnetometer.

And here the development of such a purely peaceful organization as the Deep-ocean Assessment and Reporting of Tsunamis, part of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), can come to the rescue. The oceans are already littered with sensors of this organization. And NOAA satellites vigilantly receive their signals, processing incoming information in order to warn of tsunamis, typhoons, hurricanes and other natural disasters.

That is, there is already where to start. What difference does it make whether to track an incipient wave or an atomic missile carrier under it?

The magnetometer doesn't care. The submarine is easier to spot. So experts (for example, Roger Bradbury of the Australian National University) believe that the "transparent ocean" is a reality. And the concept of building a fleet must be approached differently than before.

But this does not mean that submarines will completely or partially leave the scene. On the contrary, rather surface ships, the movement of which cannot be concealed, will go to historyhow the battleships left. As unnecessary.

It is clear that not all. Still, a certain part of the support ships and attack ships will remain. But the submarines will not only remain, but their role will be even more significant. The time when unmanned vehicles with magnetometers will flood the oceans will not come soon. Therefore, it makes sense, Bradbury believes, to pay attention to the development of submarines. A submarine that can withstand new tracking means is a very powerful move in the tactics and strategy of the future.

Network-centric battles


Accordingly, the corvette comes out on top among surface ships. Not an aircraft carrier, not a cruiser, not a destroyer. A small, cheap corvette capable of tracking down and destroying a submarine in conjunction with unmanned aerial vehicles.


That is, we get a picture of the following plan: a corvette, which, using various drones, correcting its actions through satellites with other tracking and detection devices, will track down enemy submarines.

And what about submarines? Will they just hide in the deep?


Each submarine has torpedo tubes, through which the boat can also release its unmanned vehicles, which, rising closer to the surface of the water, will interfere with enemy vehicles, work as decoys, generating acoustic or magnetic signatures, or communicate with its satellites to determine where the enemy ships are.

That is, everything that today we call network-centric wars. But with an emphasis on the fact that anti-submarine warfare and attacks from submarines will become the basis at sea.

Uncrewed


And here is literally one step to fleets, consisting of unmanned ships. From the drone boat to Poseidon. Indeed, why not build a fleet of unmanned ships? And in the place in the ship, which is occupied by the crew's life support system, "brains" and an additional supply of fuel will be installed, increasing the autonomy.

And aircraft carriers in this case can be used not only as carriers of attack aircraft, but also as platforms for the delivery of such vehicles, controlling them via satellites from a safe distance from the very coast, to which there is no point in approaching.


The same is true for submarines. It all starts with an underwater vehicle carrier, like the Russian K-329 Belgorod. And how it will end is very difficult to say.

But in fact, in the next few decades, we will obviously be able to witness a difficult battle of designers for increasing the working depth for submarines, saturating them with unmanned aerial vehicles for various purposes and, quite naturally, the emergence and deployment of new means of tracking submarines on the water surface.

Here we can agree with Davis and Bradbury that the next round of evolution is the creation of new (and no less deadly) ships and vehicles, the essence of which boils down to only one thing - control over territories and possible impact on the enemy. Nothing new.

Hyper transparency


However, the idea of ​​a "transparent ocean" is very interesting. But here it is up to the developers of magnetometers (quantum and conventional) and other equipment of the future. It will be able to provide detection of ships and submarines at the most unimaginable distances and depths.
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  1. +9
    2 December 2020 05: 12
    Here you can agree with Davis and Bradbury is that the next round of evolution is creation new (and no less deadly) ships and vehicles, the essence of which is only one thing - control over territories and possible impact on the enemy.

    Or you may not agree, because the world in the relations existing in this way is a desert. if not worse. What does this world look like, in which everyone devours their own kind?
    However, the idea of ​​a "transparent ocean" is very interesting.


    For the time being, for the time being. This interest is contraindicated for our state. He would have to deal with assets and dividends ... Determine the transparency of the movement of capital from Russia to the West ... Study the activities of officials and figure out whose mill they pour water ...
    Thank you, Roman, for your time. Only the effect of this article is similar to that of a symphony orchestra playing a concert in a chicken coop.
    1. +5
      2 December 2020 08: 11
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Only the effect of this article is similar to that of a symphony orchestra playing a concert in a chicken coop.

      sighed heavily ... I will go out of the "chicken coop" ... I will smoke.
      1. +1
        2 December 2020 11: 00
        Quote: Aerodrome
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Only the effect of this article is similar to that of a symphony orchestra playing a concert in a chicken coop.

        sighed heavily ... I will go out of the "chicken coop" ... I will smoke.

        just wondering, admit it, but it's nice to hide the skis ... to smoke ... and cho ... I'm doing this. the Force will arrive with you ... ")
  2. +1
    2 December 2020 05: 55
    Pictures are beautiful ...
    1. +2
      2 December 2020 11: 26
      Japanese animators know a lot about beautiful techniques. (The plane from the last picture was able to turn into a robot)
  3. +4
    2 December 2020 06: 06
    In the wars of the future, 3D printers will move out and print robots ...
  4. +5
    2 December 2020 07: 23
    ... from our favorite "The National Interest".

    Do not generalize ... or "our beloved" in quotation marks ..
    Two or three dozen hypersonic missiles fired from coastal installations will cost immeasurably less than, say, an aircraft carrier ...

    The combat radius of the IB of the air group will soon approach 1000 km. But launching a rocket at such a distance, but at a maneuvering target, is not an easy task ...
    ... then what will it cost ... amphibious ships that will not be able to approach the landing site ...

    BDK will go to the coast after the maximum suppression of the coastal defense and the enemy's air force. First (since we are talking about the future), the swarm of drones must destroy the enemy swarm, and only then send mechanical marines winked
    Accordingly, the corvette comes out on top among surface ships. Not an aircraft carrier, not a cruiser, not a destroyer. Small cheap corvette ..

    For coastal defense.
    And for active naval defense, for counterattacks and offensives, for strikes against enemy communications? All tasks cannot be assigned to the pl. They barely manage to cope with their own.
    Eh, the future, who knows ...
    1. 0
      2 December 2020 07: 32
      Will not be, amaze will not be amazed...
      There are so many assumptions that it's time to guess on a camomile.
      I will say so about myself - I read it, but in the spirit of the article: I didn't understand ...
    2. -1
      2 December 2020 09: 18
      The combat radius of the IB of the air group will soon approach 1000 km. But launching a rocket at such a distance, but at a maneuvering target, is not an easy task ...
      On a maneuvering target ??? Are you talking about an aircraft carrier ??? Today, missiles and UAVs successfully destroy any compact ground targets, even actively maneuvering ones - such as a moving tank, a car or a group of soldiers !!! And this in camouflage conditions, at night and in difficult terrain !!!
      Any surface warship from a small destroyer to a large aircraft carrier is a huge target in an absolutely open and level sea space - I think these are very simple targets at the current level of development of attack missile and UAV technologies !!!
      1. -3
        2 December 2020 09: 26
        Today, missiles and UAVs successfully destroy any compact ground targets, even actively maneuvering ones, such as a traveling tank.

        How far?

        UAV against an aircraft carrier? Well, then UAVs should be the size of a fighter and there should be a dozen of them (minimum) - but this is already a distant future ...
        Rockets? Range ... target designation problems ... the number of missiles ... and the quality of missiles that will confidently hit a target at a distance of hundreds of kilometers.
        All this is real, but very difficult ...
        1. +2
          2 December 2020 09: 53
          UAV against an aircraft carrier? Well, then UAVs should be the size of a fighter and there should be a dozen of them (minimum) - but this is already a distant future ...
          Nothing of the kind - today several medium-sized UAVs are quite capable of inflicting such damage on an aircraft carrier to disable it - and this is the very thing that is needed during the war !!! An aircraft carrier that stopped accepting or sending planes is a burden for its own - it's even worse than they would simply drown !!!
          1. +1
            2 December 2020 19: 52
            Quote: Selevc
            UAV against an aircraft carrier? Well, then UAVs should be the size of a fighter and there should be a dozen of them (minimum) - but this is already a distant future ...
            Nothing of the kind - today several medium-sized UAVs are quite capable of inflicting such damage on an aircraft carrier to disable it - and this is the very thing that is needed during the war !!! An aircraft carrier that stopped accepting or sending planes is a burden for its own - it's even worse than they would simply drown !!!

            You first find an aircraft carrier in the ocean ...
            overcome his lines of protection ...
            An aircraft carrier is not equal to a civilian cruise ship ...
            1. -3
              2 December 2020 22: 07
              You first find an aircraft carrier in the ocean ...
              overcome his lines of protection ...
              An aircraft carrier is not equal to a civilian cruise ship ...
              Have you ever seen what a ship looks like at sea ??? This is a mountain of metal on a flat sea surface that can be seen for many kilometers - which, given the modern means of reconnaissance and observation (air, space, radar, etc., etc.), only a blind observer is capable of not notice !!!

              It was in the middle of the last century that there were problems with the search and detection of surface targets, and now - electronics have long ago made a revolution in military intelligence !!!

              overcome his lines of protection ...
              What are the boundaries of protection ??? I remember how the American patriots defended Tel Aviv (against the old, incidentally, and rather slow-moving Soviet missiles) - don't tell my slippers !!! Or another example from a real war - I remember how the Argentines from the flying junk sunk the newest British destroyer with a slow-speed missile - one !!! And then, to wash off the shame of the sea failure, the British told the whole world bikes like - the radio station was turned off, the commander was drunk, the crew was playing poker ... - well, in general, such bullshit!
              For modern strike weapons - maneuvering and high-speed - there are no aircraft carrier defense lines !!!
              1. +1
                3 December 2020 11: 37
                Have you ever seen what a ship looks like at sea ??? This is a mountain of metal on a flat sea surface that can be seen for many kilometers - which, given the modern means of reconnaissance and observation (air, space, radar, etc., etc.), only a blind observer is capable of not notice !!!


                The radio horizon of a surface radar station is tens of kilometers, a flying plane is hundreds. The launch range of the CD from ships is thousands.
                You would at least read the memories of those who were looking for these ships ...
                1. -1
                  4 December 2020 02: 15
                  Quote: timokhin-aa
                  You would at least read the memories of those who were looking for these ships ...

                  1982 of the year? what
                  your physics has not changed yet and the radar is seen at 3 km as the first one? bully
      2. +1
        3 December 2020 11: 31
        You must first find this ship))) Somehow ...
    3. +2
      2 December 2020 10: 39
      Quote: Doccor18
      BDK will go to the coast after the maximum suppression of the coastal defense and the enemy's air force.

      Can you find out, what do you think, "why" in general in today's situations and in the future BDK?
      In my "misunderstanding", the main task of the BDK is the transportation of equipment and l / s across a water barrier (sea, ocean) to the coast, where it cannot get on its own, for the subsequent fulfillment of tasks depending on the armed opposition of forces.
      In a global military conflict, the seizure of territories (landing on a bridgehead, attack on the move) does not matter. Destroying anything that could pose a threat from afar (with a long arm) and waiting for the worms to complete the soybeans' disposal of the corpses. Exactly. Nobody will build, install or create anything on someone else's territory, except for those who "dream" of territorial wars due to the absence (small area) of their own lands.
      Quote: Doccor18
      For coastal defense.
      And for active naval defense, for counterattacks and offensives,

      Leave these dreams of sea battles. AUGs were created exclusively for aggression against third world countries, and the means of destruction already today make it possible to "fill up" the main trough for 1500 km. In the future, this distance will only grow.
      1. -4
        2 December 2020 10: 57
        .. why "in general in today's situations and in the future of the BDK?

        They are not needed. Deprecated. But...
        It is very expensive to build an adequate number of UDCs, even for the United States. Therefore - the good old BDK, which more often perform the work of conventional transport.
        in a global military conflict, the seizure of territories (landing on a bridgehead, attack on the move) does not matter.

        In the global nuclear .. nothing will matter .. the curtain.
        In a regional conflict, the landing will take place. In each case, the tasks will be different.
        Attack on the move ... I think you need to forget about that. The time of the Napoleonic wars is long gone. On the move, you can get it so that then there will be nothing to leave ...
        1. 0
          3 December 2020 11: 32
          In the global nuclear .. nothing will matter .. the curtain.


          But no, I have already posted an article on this topic, will soon be moderated.
  5. 0
    2 December 2020 07: 32
    Roman, it's too early for us to go so far in our dreams! To begin with, you need to create a normal naval fleet from modern destroyers, cruisers, submarines, aircraft carriers, and not only from rocket rickets, and under-carvets and semi-frigates, especially without normal air defense on them! !!
  6. +4
    2 December 2020 07: 44
    Novel. You will explain to yourself what kind of animal such a quantum magnetometer is. And it immediately turns out that everything is not so rosy
  7. +3
    2 December 2020 08: 42
    It certainly sounds beautiful - a quantum magnetometer, I only remember that I first saw a quantum manitometer 40 years ago with ordinary geophysicists who made a detailed survey of the site. So there is nothing particularly new here.
  8. +4
    2 December 2020 08: 58
    I will add, for today, a fantastic idea of ​​the development of the submarine fleet - the construction of ships from non-magnetic materials - in full or to the maximum - a kind of underwater stealth for magnetometers ... Well, in the order of morning delirium winked
  9. +1
    2 December 2020 10: 08
    And from all that has been written here, I only care about the network of autonomous sensors that are constantly at sea.
    Hollywood has played on this idea in the cinema. I was also surprised why, for example, the Kuril straits are not packed with such buoys, or the approaches to Murmansk and Vladivostok. Indeed, in fact, on a cheap disposable buoy, which a conventional PLO aircraft is armed with, put a long-playing power source and tie it to an anchor, then here it is a ready-made network. Stay at home and see who and where swims near your shore.
    And what to send towards, a corvette, an aircraft carrier or an unmanned boat, the next question is.
  10. -10
    2 December 2020 10: 24
    There is only one defense against the transparent ocean - a sharp reduction in the size and, accordingly, the strength of the target in the magnetic dimension: namely, the transition to 1-kiloton nuclear submarines and 40-ton AUVs.

    AUV "Poseidon" has already become a factor that burns fiercely among Russophobes and technodes ... fishing of all stripes bully
    1. +1
      3 December 2020 11: 33
      Minusanul along with the others.
      1. -7
        3 December 2020 11: 34
        ... Russophobes and technodes ... mi bully
        1. +2
          3 December 2020 11: 35
          No, along with others who are not prohibited by the state from having a driver's license and making transactions with real estate
          laughing
          1. -7
            3 December 2020 12: 19
            The regional "state", obviously laughing
            1. 0
              3 December 2020 15: 17
              No, in Okrainsky people like you are considered normal.
              1. -1
                4 December 2020 02: 20
                Quote: timokhin-aa
                No, in Okrainsky people like you are considered normal.

                look who's Talking wassat
  11. +3
    2 December 2020 11: 20
    Where is the world heading ?!
    At the dawn of socialism, people dreamed of communism. So what?
    Or is the improvement of means of destroying a person the meaning of human existence?
    Everything that a person produces is tomorrow's garbage.
    To the question of what awaits the Navy of all countries in the future, there is an answer - disposal ..... no matter how perfect they are.
  12. +4
    2 December 2020 12: 39
    Quantum magnetometry is also quite a real thing. The German company Fraunhofer-Gesellschaft has been working on a quantum drive magnetometer for a year now.
    Well, the authors of the VO site do not need to delve into technical issues, so as not to generate all sorts of nonsense about "quantum drive magnetometers".
    Quantum magnetometer, a device for measuring weak magnets. fields based on the determination of the frequency of the quantum transition paramagn. particles from one Zeeman sublevel to another, was created and used a long time ago.
    With regard to the detection of submarines, a superconducting quantum interferometer (SQUID, Superconducting Quantum Interference Device) is considered, a highly sensitive device for converting magnetic flux into an electrical signal of direct or alternating current, the action of which is based on the phenomenon of quantizing magnetic flux in a superconducting ring with Josephson contacts included in it. And we are not talking about its development (developed back in the 60s). but in highlighting the desired signal, since this device catches even the distant echo of solar storms.
    Recently, it was reported that the Chinese from the Shanghai Institute of Microsystems and Information Technologies at the Chinese Academy of Sciences succeeded, but so far no confirmation has followed.
  13. +2
    2 December 2020 13: 17
    Submarines and their problem have been around for over a hundred years, rockets and their problem have been around for over 80 years. The modern world does not like problems - given the speed of development of technology, so it should be expected that a wonderful immune strategy, based on the vanderwafles developed during the 20th century - could suddenly collapse like a house of cards in literally a decade and a half. We should actively catch up with the developed powers in the field of electronics and robotics, otherwise we risk missing the swan song of this revolution.
  14. Eug
    +2
    2 December 2020 14: 08
    The prospect of unmanned vehicles, as for me, will very much depend on the noise immunity of communication facilities, because control will (most likely) be carried out precisely through communication channels. I do not believe in autonomous artificial intelligence, as for me, it is capable of logical choice only under formalizable circumstances. Predictive algorithms, in my opinion, will definitely not replace human intuition in the near future. Rather, a person will be "educated and educated" so that he will think and act according to some strict rules (like most doctors, they treat strictly according to protocols and not a step aside), and then these rules can be formalized ...
    1. 0
      2 December 2020 19: 58
      Quote: Eug
      The prospect of unmanned vehicles, as for me, will very much depend on the noise immunity of communication facilities, because control will (most likely) be carried out precisely through communication channels. I do not believe in autonomous artificial intelligence, as for me, it is capable of logical choice only under formalizable circumstances. Predictive algorithms, in my opinion, will definitely not replace human intuition in the near future. Rather, a person will be "educated and educated" so that he will think and act according to some strict rules (like most doctors, they treat strictly according to protocols and not a step aside), and then these rules can be formalized ...


      After 5 years. no fighter pilot can beat a car ...
      For the control of the aircraft is completely subject to the laws of aerodynamics, and all the behavioral models of the pilot - operate in accordance with the laws of aerodynamics - and this is calculated by modern "expert systems" / "big date" / etc - once / twice ...

      Therefore, just a couple of drones, working in pairs, will simply drive the manned aircraft to attack each other.

      Now it is being introduced into URVV missiles.
      1. Eug
        +1
        2 December 2020 22: 13
        Pack attack? Reception is interesting and has the right to exist. But for any TECHNICAL action there is always a TECHNICAL opposition, finding it is a matter of time and the qualifications of specialists. But it is far from always possible to intuit and predict a person's actions.
        1. 0
          6 December 2020 17: 30
          A similar missile is currently being tested in Russia. Warhead conventional.
      2. +2
        3 December 2020 11: 34
        After 5 years. no fighter pilot can beat a car ...


        No longer can. But as soon as we move from a duel to a group battle, everything changes dramatically ...
    2. 0
      4 December 2020 02: 24
      Quote: Eug
      I do not believe in autonomous artificial intelligence, as for me, it is capable of logical choice only under formalizable circumstances.

      sail to a certain geographic point and destroy what is defined for AI as a target, what's the problem?
      Quote: Eug
      Predictive algorithms, as for me, will definitely not replace human intuition in the near future.

      what for is this heresy in combat use? request
  15. +3
    2 December 2020 18: 12
    Pictures are touching. Starting from the first, which depicts a beautiful start of the old P-15, to the rest, it seems, taken from the magazine "Young Technic" of the 60s of the last century from the competition "World of Tomorrow"
  16. +2
    2 December 2020 19: 38
    The sofa expert in me suggests a different scenario:
    1. Introduce into the training program of the Navy in the use of orientation and navigation aids, which were used in the 17th - 20th centuries, up to sextants, damn it.
    2. Introduce terrain orientation by compass, sun and stars, reading real tablet maps, understanding the location of "neighbors" and communicating with them by methods and means of information exchange that are completely independent of satellite constellations into the training program for landowners.
    3. Putting the most modern means of destroying the entire information-navigation satellite grouping of the enemy into near-earth orbit.

    At hour "H", first of all, all satellites of the enemy are destroyed, and then, troops trained to work "on the ground" by real methods of combat destroy the blind, deaf, helpless and confused enemies. And no matter how many drones a person has - without satellite navigation and communications, they lose the lion's share of their capabilities, and soldiers accustomed to "gadgets" will be confused for some time.
    We can still launch satellites into orbit, and therefore one of the most important directions for us can and should be the methodology of a surprise strike on the enemy's satellite systems when the army is ready to coordinate its actions in the absence of information support from space.
    Pretending that you are preparing for a network-centric battle, it is very useful to have at hand a simple method of translating combat operations into a format convenient for you, because, as Sun Tzu said: "War is a way of deception."
    I think so.
  17. +1
    2 December 2020 19: 50
    Another example of the deepest delusion in cause and effect.
    Calculating abstract horses in vacuums ...
    here it is "It's logical. Two or three dozen hypersonic missiles fired from coastal installations will cost immeasurably less than, say, an aircraft carrier that they hit."

    There will never be 2-3 dozen hypersonic missiles cheaper than an aircraft carrier ...
    NEVER!
    For.
    The development of hypersonic missiles is prohibitively expensive.
    In order to have a really prepared infrastructure for the use of coastal complexes, you need to have:

    1. An ideal road network designed for really heavy vehicles - hypersonic anti-ship missile launchers. - how much is one square meter of road in the city limits? about a million? How much will it cost to lay road infrastructure on the coastline, for example, in the Far East?
    And the road is not easy to build, it also needs to be maintained. Repairs. snow removal (example of Vladivostok 3 weeks ago, when they still cannot restore power supply in the city)
    Trillions?
    I'm not kidding - 450 kilometers of access roads under the project of the bridge to Sakhalin cost four times more than the bridge to Sakhalin itself ...

    2. Ideal means of reconnaissance or target designation.
    A fully deployed, multiply redundant, constantly replenished satellite constellation for reconnaissance and target designation of sea targets, which will monitor the Far East coast in real time. with a minimum coverage of 2000 miles.
    This will make 3 dozen satellites, very expensive satellites.
    To them the entire infrastructure of control, support, spaceports. rockets, manufacturing plants. working and engineering personnel)
    Trillions.

    3. Ideal air defense of the area.
    Including ZGRLS,
    five airfields of fighter aircraft with a couple of hundred of the most modern interceptors.
    a pair of airfields for the most modern PLO aircraft (a couple of dozen) and RTR (half a dozen) and AWACS (half a dozen) and tankers (10-20 units).
    Fully equipped with trained personnel, with developed military camps with all the infrastructure ...
    It includes several regiments of long-range air defense systems, short and medium-range air defense systems, cover for large air defense systems. Road support, energy supply.

    4. Developed border service with anti-sabotage focus.
    A huge number of border posts and a huge number of highly qualified personnel.


    Everyone must be found, taught, paid for work ...
    This is in fact tens of trillions, if not hundreds of trillions of rubles.
    In order to ensure that when an aircraft carrier approaches, it is guaranteed to shoot at it with two or three dozen hypersonic missiles. with an unknown result.
    And if all of the above is not there, then there will be no guaranteed chance of launching these very missiles.
    1. +1
      4 December 2020 02: 49
      Quote: SovAr238A
      The development of hypersonic missiles is prohibitively expensive.

      the development of aircraft carriers costs even more prohibitive money, and the construction and maintenance of an order of magnitude more prohibitive.
      Quote: SovAr238A
      1. An ideal road network, designed for really heavy vehicles - hypersonic anti-ship missiles launchers.

      Are you seriously??? this thing without any "ideal road network" works great.

      or do you want to state that the hypersonic missile will be larger? Or maybe the photo is an example of an "ideal road network"? lol
      Quote: SovAr238A
      2. Ideal means of reconnaissance or target designation.

      what for? all this can be achieved at a lower cost. it is enough to detect the approach of the enemy on distant approaches, and this can be done by submarines, satellites, the civilian fleet, undercover intelligence and TD. you only need to fully control the area in which the enemy is located.
      Quote: SovAr238A
      3. Ideal air defense of the area.

      to fire a hypersonic missile? Air defense?
      Quote: SovAr238A
      4. Developed border service with anti-sabotage focus.

      but isn't she? belay
      Quote: SovAr238A
      Everyone must be found, taught, paid for work ...
      This is in fact tens of trillions, if not hundreds of trillions of rubles.

      uh huh. look at the military budget of the Russian Federation. here, in fact, part of this budget is enough for this. there are not only these issues being resolved.
      Quote: SovAr238A
      And if all of the above is not there, then there will be no guaranteed chance of launching these very missiles.

      dooo belay but Colonel Van Riper ditched the American strike group, without all these frills and even without hypersonic missiles, having at his disposal a small number of cruise missiles and small ships wink
  18. +1
    3 December 2020 00: 10
    The next war is interesting, but if there is no war in the next 5 years.
  19. -2
    3 December 2020 07: 58

    The time when unmanned vehicles with magnetometers will flood the oceans will not come soon.

    To be precise, never.
  20. 0
    31 January 2021 16: 14
    Beautiful photos - dad, mom, child.