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Bayraktar Akinci: Turkey's largest attack drone

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The major military conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh, which began on September 27, 2020, attracted the attention of the whole world and seriously influenced the interest in the unmanned aviation... In light of the ongoing conflict, Turkish attack UAVs, including Bayraktar TV2, are of the greatest interest. However, this drone is no longer the pinnacle of Turkish UAV development. Baykar Makina has developed a larger strike drone with greater strike capabilities, Bayraktar Akinci, the first photos of which were leaked to the press back in 2018.


What is known about the tests of the new drone


Bayraktar Akinci is already comparable in size to full-fledged fighters. In terms of its size, it noticeably surpasses Bayraktar TV2. The first photographs of the new device appeared on the Internet in June 2018, at that time the development of a new attack drone was already underway. The entire preliminary design phase of the new UAV was completed by Baykar Makina engineers by June 2019, after which the ground testing phase of the unmanned aerial vehicle started in August.

It is known that Turkey has developed this drone in cooperation with Ukrainian specialists. Employees of the Ukrspetsexport company, which is part of the state defense concern Ukroboronprom, took part in the development of the new attack UAV. The Ukrainian side has contributed to the drone project primarily with engines and composite materials. The project also took into account the experience of Ukrainian aircraft designers in the design of large aircraft.

The new attack UAV made its first independent flight on December 6, 2019; the drone then spent only 16 minutes in the air. The tests were carried out at the Corlu airfield, located in northwestern Turkey in the Tekirdag province. It is here that the manufacturer's flight training center is located. The second test flight was completed on January 10, 2020 and lasted more than an hour. In August 2020, the second prototype Bayraktar Akinci began flying. In total, representatives of the Baykar Makina company have already conducted at least five successful tests of two flight prototypes of the new attack drone. Including flights at an altitude of 30 thousand feet (approximately 9150 meters).


According to the preliminary plans of Baykar Makina, the adoption of the new attack UAV into service should take place by the end of 2020. The first deliveries of aircraft to the Turkish armed forces are scheduled to begin as early as 2021.

Flight technical capabilities of the Bayraktar Akinci strike UAV


In terms of its flight performance and dimensions, the novelty of the Turkish defense industry is noticeably superior to its predecessor Bayraktar TV2. In terms of its size, the Bayraktar Akinci is comparable to the American reconnaissance and strike UAV MQ-9 Reaper ("Reaper"), surpassing the American vehicle in terms of maximum take-off weight. At the same time, in terms of its flight performance, Akinci falls short of its American counterpart, although it is a significant step forward for the Turkish defense industry. At the same time, in terms of its combat capabilities, Akinci is as close as possible to the "Reaper", and in some ways, perhaps, even surpasses it.

The new UAV is a reconnaissance and strike high-altitude long-range unmanned aerial vehicle. The drone is quite large, suffice it to say that it outperforms American F-15 / F-16 fighters in wingspan. The wing span of Bayraktar Akinci is 20 meters, the length of the craft is 12,2 meters, and the height is 4,1 meters. The maximum take-off weight declared by the manufacturer is 5500 kg. In this case, the maximum payload mass is 1350 kg (the "Reaper" - 1700 kg). In this case, the weapons, according to the materials presented on the official website of the manufacturer, can be placed on eight external suspension points.


The flight performance of the novelty is very high. The declared operating altitude is 30 feet (approximately 9150 meters), and the aircraft's service ceiling is 40 feet (approximately 000 meters). In this case, the drone can stay in the air for up to 12 hours. Like its predecessor, the drone has a fairly advanced AI and can fly in fully automatic mode. The device will land on its own, take off, fly in cruise mode.

The power plant of the new attack UAV is represented by two Ukrainian modernized turboprop engines AI-450 with a capacity of 450 hp. each. The engines were developed by the specialists of the Ivchenko-Progress enterprise. It is also possible to install more powerful 750 hp engines. The power of the engines is sufficient to provide the Akinci strike drone with a maximum flight speed of 195 knots (approximately 360 km / h), and a cruising speed of 130 knots (approximately 240 km / h).


The Turkish engineers increased the survivability of the apparatus due to the system of software and hardware with triple redundancy. The installation of anti-electronic jamming systems on UAVs is emphasized separately. Such systems are especially relevant when the enemy uses electronic warfare equipment. Bayraktar Akinci will become a drone with its own artificial intelligence system, which should maximize flight autonomy, as well as the level of awareness of the situation on the patrol route, including target identification and determination of their coordinates.

The combat capabilities of the Bayraktar Akinci drone


The new Turkish drone is designed to deliver air strikes against enemy ground targets, as well as conduct operational-strategic aerial reconnaissance. In addition to guided missile weapons and guided aerial bombs, the drone can carry various means of electronic reconnaissance. A feature of the drone will be the presence on board of a radar with an active phased antenna array, which will allow the drone to independently identify air targets. Also, the device will receive an air collision warning station and a synthetic aperture radar to obtain radar images of the earth's surface, regardless of meteorological conditions. The drone will also carry the Aseslan CATS optical reconnaissance, surveillance and targeting system.

Also, the manufacturer expects to place on board the device the equipment necessary to detect the radars of enemy air defense systems with the possibility of their subsequent destruction with a wide range of guided munitions. One of the tasks of the new attack and reconnaissance drone should be to reduce the load on classic fighter aircraft.

The range of used ammunition is quite extensive. Here and free-falling bombs Mk-81, Mk-82, Mk-83, including in the version of conversion to high-precision weapon (JDAM), and small-sized guided bombs MAM-L and MAM-C, which are the main armament for the Bayraktar TV2 drone, and 70-mm laser-guided CIRIT missiles, as well as the L-UMTAS ATGM in the air-based version with a launch range 8 kilometers.


It is curious that the device also received the ability to use guided air-to-air missiles, which allows it to attack air targets. In particular, it is reported that Akinci can become a carrier of Turkish Gokdogan (Sapsan) and Bozdogan (Krechet) missiles, which were created in Turkey to replace the American AMRAAM and Sidewinder air-to-air missiles on F-16 fighters. These are the first missiles of this class created in Turkey. They were developed as part of the country's ongoing import substitution program for American weapons. UR Gokdogan refers to melee missiles and is equipped with an infrared homing head. In turn, Bozdogan is a medium-range missile, it received a radar seeker.

Among the features of the drone, Turkish developers attribute the fact that Akinci will be the first commercially available UAV capable of launching an air-launched cruise missile. The arsenal of this drone includes the Turkish SOM-A cruise missile. A cruise missile with a length of 4 meters and a weight of 620 kg is able to hit targets at a distance of up to 250 km. The mass of the high-explosive fragmentation warhead is 230 kg. Guidance system - inertial, combined with GPS.
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 23 October 2020 05: 57
    11
    It has a declared operating altitude of 30 feet (approximately 9150 meters) and a service ceiling of 40 feet (approximately 000 meters).

    It seems like someone let slip that 16 km is its maximum height ... the machine is certainly dangerous for an enemy who does not have advanced air defense.
    Almost round-the-clock work on the battlefield ... the poet's dream ... reconnaissance and observation of the enemy and an instant strike on him if necessary.
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 23 October 2020 06: 11
      +7
      Yes, it's not funny anymore.
      But I think that the EW adherents will now begin to praise their totems. And offer to give them to almost every company and separately standing equipment.
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 23 October 2020 06: 25
        +5
        But I think that the EW adherents will now begin to praise their totems.

        This is just a half-measure ... the fight against UAVs should have a systemic character, only then it will be possible to successfully fight them ... so far, the fight against them resembles mending holes in a trishka's caftan.
        1. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 23 October 2020 16: 37
          +2
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          so far, fighting them resembles mending holes in a trishka's caftan.

          with whom? with piston shit the size of a regular plane? Which short-range air defense system will have problems with this target?
          1. alexmach
            alexmach 24 October 2020 10: 39
            +6
            with whom? with piston shit the size of a regular plane? Which short-range air defense system will have problems with this target?

            Hmm .. Wasp, Thor, Tunguzka ... Sobsvenno everyone whose ceiling does not reach his workers 9 km.
            1. Sanichsan
              Sanichsan 24 October 2020 17: 02
              +4
              good day hi
              Quote: alexmach
              Hmm .. at Wasp, Thor, Tunguzka ...

              from this list Thor is already past. he has a ceiling of 12 km. Osa - MANPADS. Tunguska artillery complex. you can add Shilka to it. they have similar tasks.
              Thor, Buk, Pantsir, S300, S400, these are only domestic complexes for which this drone is an easy target. add to this all the fighter aircraft with air-to-air missiles.
              it can be successfully applied only against the Papuans who have no money more than the last century's MANPADS request
              1. The eye of the crying
                The eye of the crying 24 October 2020 20: 13
                0
                Quote: SanichSan
                Thor is already past. he has a ceiling of 12 km


                It has a ceiling of 12 km at what range?
                1. Sanichsan
                  Sanichsan 24 October 2020 21: 46
                  0
                  Quote: Eye of the Crying
                  It has a ceiling of 12 km at what range?

                  What's the difference? we're here about the possibility. short-range complexes can, medium-range complexes (C300, Patriot) are guaranteed to be shot down. yes
                  1. The eye of the crying
                    The eye of the crying 24 October 2020 22: 47
                    0
                    Quote: SanichSan
                    who cares?


                    Big. So you can shoot him down with a machine gun.
                    1. Sanichsan
                      Sanichsan 25 October 2020 00: 16
                      0
                      Quote: Eye of the Crying
                      Big. So you can shoot him down with a machine gun.

                      in in. and you here draws such assumptions to prove that the shock UAV is a wunderwafe!
                      1. The eye of the crying
                        The eye of the crying 25 October 2020 00: 58
                        -1
                        Quote: SanichSan
                        you here draws such assumptions to prove that the shock UAV is a wunderwafe!


                        Just so that you understand for the future - the wunderwaffe does not exist. And no one is proving to you that a certain weapon is a wunderwaffe.
              2. alexmach
                alexmach 24 October 2020 21: 36
                +1
                from this list Thor is already past. he has a ceiling of 12 km

                Perhaps I confused it with a dagger ... below is a good question about range
                Osa - MANPADS

                Exactly, MANPADS, you can carry it in your pocket.

                Tunguska artillery complex

                What do you mean, but these cylinders are probably hung on him for beauty?

                Thor, Buk, Pantsir, S300, S400, these are only domestic complexes for which this drone is an easy target

                Thor is perhaps at the limit of possibilities.
                Carapace - yes, especially with a new long-range missile, only this is not a military complex.
                С300, С400 - well, they also forgot the С-500.
                Beech - well, this one is perhaps the most adequate to the task.
                1. OgnennyiKotik
                  OgnennyiKotik 24 October 2020 21: 53
                  -7
                  Akinchi can only be guaranteed to shoot down C300 / 400 extreme modifications.
                  Armed with JDAM at an altitude of 12 km and a range of 28 km, Akinchi can reach the BUK, S300 / 350/400
                  Armed with Miniature Bomba (GBU-39) at an altitude of 12 and a range of 70-100 km, only extreme modifications of the C300 / 400
                  Armed with a SOM-A with a guaranteed range of 180 km (2012), I don't know what will get it, the next versions of the SOM Turks promised to increase the range to 500 km.
                  1. Sanichsan
                    Sanichsan 24 October 2020 22: 14
                    +3
                    Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                    Akinchi can only be guaranteed to shoot down C300 / 400 extreme modifications.

                    and aviation. it is, as it were, intended for this. interception of air targets, seizure of air superiority .. have you heard?

                    Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                    Armed with Miniature Bomba (GBU-39) at an altitude of 12 and a range of 70-100 km, only extreme modifications of the C300 / 400
                    Armed with a SOM-A with a guaranteed range of 180 km (2012), I don't know what will get it, the next versions of the SOM Turks promised to increase the range to 500 km.

                    3M14 - range 1500 km. Well? all surrender and abandon aviation and air defense? wassat
                    1. OgnennyiKotik
                      OgnennyiKotik 24 October 2020 22: 24
                      -5
                      Quote: SanichSan
                      and aviation. it is, as it were, intended for this. interception of air targets

                      Based on the airfield or flying beyond the range of AIM-120 with Akinchi or F-16
                      Miniature Bomba (GBU-39) is a gliding aerial bomb weighing 140 (113) kg with a range of 60 km against mobile targets and 100 km for stationary targets.
                      1. Sanichsan
                        Sanichsan 24 October 2020 23: 14
                        +2
                        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                        Based on the airfield or flying beyond the range of AIM-120 with Akinchi or F-16

                        hmm .. that is, Akinchi flies with the AIM-120 (those that the United States sold them 20 years ago), that is, does not pose a danger to ground targets? And the enemy, of course, will not use their air-to-air missiles, despite the fact that the radar on the plane is more powerful than on this drone? interesting assumption ... but with such assumptions, sticks and nails are much better! The Chinese have killed 11 Indians with sticks and nails, and drones have not yet shot down a single aircraft, despite the fact that they have been flying for 20 years. request
                        I ask you to think of something other than "Akinchi will win everyone if they don't resist and attack him" hi
                  2. alexmach
                    alexmach 24 October 2020 23: 00
                    +3
                    Armed with Miniature Bomba (GBU-39) at an altitude of 12 and a range of 70-100 km, only extreme modifications of the C300 / 400

                    Can a low-speed turboprop aircraft be allowed to fly a GBU at such a range?
                    Armed with a SOM-A with a guaranteed range of 180 km (2012), I don't know what will get it, the next versions of the SOM Turks promised to increase the range to 500 km.

                    Yes, but to launch from such a range, it will already need target designation. In addition, it is not clear what this COM purpose is. I still proceed from the confrontation with Akinchi armed with long-range ATGM.
                    1. OgnennyiKotik
                      OgnennyiKotik 24 October 2020 23: 24
                      -2
                      Quote: alexmach
                      Can a low-speed turboprop aircraft be allowed to fly a GBU at such a range?

                      Yes. Here is a video of the tests.
                      Quote: alexmach
                      Yes, but to launch from such a range, he will need target designation

                      We need coordinates.
                      Quote: alexmach
                      In addition, it is not clear what this COM purpose is.

                      Cruise missile 180-500 km. Works on land and sea targets. Any target at this distance + UAV range (3000-8000 km.)
                      Quote: alexmach
                      Akinchi armed with long-range anti-tank systems.

                      Little point. MAM-L can carry Bayraktar with Anka and range like ATGM. Akinchi and Aksungur are too expensive for them it is better to hang radar, electronic warfare, JDAM, GBU, AIM120, KR (naturally Turkish counterparts), Bayraktar and Anka consumables.
                      1. alexmach
                        alexmach 24 October 2020 23: 49
                        0
                        Little point. MAM-L can carry Bayraktar with Anka and range like ATGM. Akinchi and Aksungur are too expensive for them it is better to hang radar, electronic warfare, JDAM, GBU, AIM120, KR (naturally Turkish counterparts), Bayraktar and Anka consumables.

                        I think, yes. It's just that the same COM is a tactical level weapon. It seems to me that it is strange to oppose its carrier with military air defense intended for direct protection of troops. Well, let it not ATGM let JDAM but not SOM.
                      2. OgnennyiKotik
                        OgnennyiKotik 25 October 2020 00: 00
                        -3
                        Quote: alexmach
                        It seems to me that it is strange to oppose its carrier with military air defense intended for direct protection of troops.

                        In general, I agree. Therefore, I'm talking about Miniature Bomb (GBU-39), they are relatively cheap. In the Turkish version, 140 kg, 100 km according to statistics, 60 km on a moving target. This is natural against air defense and in the area where it is, after the suppression of air defense on the ground Teber 81/82 (JDAM) and MAM-L. Aksungur flew 28 hours with 12 MAM-Ls. The variability is high.

                      3. OgnennyiKotik
                        OgnennyiKotik 25 October 2020 00: 09
                        -2
                        If there is no modern air force with a large number of AWACS and fighters, the latest missiles and bombs, there is nothing to do in modern warfare. Ground air defense is carried out at a time, then the destruction of ground troops.
                      4. alexmach
                        alexmach 25 October 2020 00: 52
                        -1
                        You can’t argue with that
                      5. D16
                        D16 25 October 2020 16: 20
                        +2
                        Ground air defense is carried out at one time, then the destruction of ground troops.

                        laughing As the last epic battle for Idlib showed, as soon as a sane military air defense appears on the theater of operations, the Bayraktars first begin to end, and then they stop starting. lol
                  3. D16
                    D16 25 October 2020 16: 13
                    0
                    Yes. Here is a video of the tests.

                    And at what range did he throw it? laughing It can drop, but it will fly almost like FAB-250.
              3. D16
                D16 25 October 2020 16: 07
                +3
                Armed with Miniature Bomba (GBU-39) at an altitude of 12 and a range of 70-100 km, only extreme modifications of the C300 / 400

                In order to throw JDAM at 28 km, and GBU-39 at 100, the speed of this pepelatsa must be at least transonic. I'm afraid it won't work on his motors. Therefore, he is food for almost all modern air defense systems. Remember that the higher he climbs, the less benefit he gets.
            2. Sanichsan
              Sanichsan 24 October 2020 22: 03
              0
              Quote: alexmach
              What do you mean, but these cylinders are probably hung on him for beauty?

              you do not confuse wink air defense systems are near (Wasp, Tunguska, all sorts of MANPADS), Small (Thor, Shell), medium (C300 conditionally, I will describe below how I understand it), large (C400, C500) radius.
              since we are talking about complexes short rangethen they can, but are not guaranteed. depends on the conditions. medium-range complexes are already guaranteed.
              Quote: alexmach
              Thor is perhaps at the limit of possibilities.
              Carapace - yes, especially with a new long-range missile, only this is not a military complex.
              С300, С400 - well, they also forgot the С-500.
              Beech - well, this one is perhaps the most adequate to the task.

              C500 did not forget. it's just that his tasks are somewhat different.
              about the uncertainty about the C300 and our other S.s, some believe that the C300 is that tractor with four pipes, but this is not at all the case. Line C is a complex, which means, first of all, a means of detection. their means of destruction may be similar. therefore, I find it somewhat difficult to classify these complexes, moreover, they are constantly being modernized and used in a single air defense system, so in the case of Russia it is difficult to say what range they work together and the means of destruction are the same.
              this is my personal understanding of the issue. I'm not an expert anti-aircraft gunner wassat
        2. Petro_tut
          Petro_tut 1 November 2020 07: 26
          -1
          Sobsvenno everyone whose ceiling does not reach his workers 9 km.


          Yes, just wait a bit, and a projectile for an air defense with a mixed thrust will appear, which allows it to stay in the air for a longer time and thereby increase the ceiling of downed targets, well, or an air defense drone will be made with a pair of air-to-air missiles, the size is smaller, the visibility is less, the price is lower
  2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 23 October 2020 18: 43
    -1
    Quote: Leader of the Redskins
    But I think that the EW adherents will now begin to praise their totems. And offer to give them to almost every company and separately standing equipment.

    laughing good
  • Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 23 October 2020 06: 22
    0
    Turkey has developed this drone in cooperation with Ukrainian specialists
    That Ze and the Sultan were kissing on the gums! Partners, you see. And not like ours! No.
    1. Narak-zempo
      Narak-zempo 23 October 2020 08: 44
      -15 qualifying.
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      That Ze and the Sultan were kissing on the gums! Partners, you see. And not like ours!

      It is not entirely clear what the kakly could do there. Is that AI to code. Well then, this car is terrible, first of all, for the one who uses, and secondly, for civilians who just happened to be near laughing
      1. Narak-zempo
        Narak-zempo 23 October 2020 08: 54
        -19 qualifying.
        Well, the first minus from Svidomites.
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 23 October 2020 11: 15
        10
        Quote: Narak-zempo
        It is not entirely clear what the kakly could do there.

        They wrote:
        The Ukrainian side has contributed to the drone project primarily with engines and composite materials. The project also took into account the experience of Ukrainian aircraft designers in the design of large aircraft.

        The power plant of the new attack UAV is represented by two Ukrainian modernized turboprop engines AI-450 with a capacity of 450 hp. each. The engines were developed by the specialists of the Ivchenko-Progress enterprise.

        In short, Antonov and Ivchenko. Perhaps Boguslaev will also connect. Since Soviet times, everything has been fine with motors in Ukraine.
        1. Narak-zempo
          Narak-zempo 23 October 2020 11: 48
          -4
          Quote: Alexey RA
          and composite materials

          Hmm. Doubtful.
          There they even have construction fittings (metal, plastic) entirely Turkish, they don't know how to make their own. Not like aviation composites.
          Well, if you consider that plywood is, in fact, a composite, then it is possible laughing laughing laughing
          The last Carpathian trees were put under the knife wassat
        2. Looking for
          Looking for 23 October 2020 14: 27
          11
          CHECK YOUR NOSE !!! There was no UKRAINE in Soviet times !!! There was a UKRAINIAN SOVIET SOCIALIST REPUBLIC. And this, as they say in Odessa, is two big differences.
        3. Alexey G
          Alexey G 24 October 2020 09: 57
          0
          So it's from the Soviet ... now it's different ...
          1. alexmach
            alexmach 24 October 2020 10: 44
            +4
            Nevertheless, they supply components for Turkish UAVs that do not perform well in regional conflicts, while in Russia they have not been able to complete UAVs of the same class for 10 years.
      3. Narak-zempo
        Narak-zempo 23 October 2020 14: 52
        -10 qualifying.
        I don’t understand, like a military-patriotic site, where are so many minusers sympathetic to ukram from here?
        1. Hypertension
          Hypertension 23 October 2020 20: 53
          +5
          Quote: Narak-zempo
          I don’t understand, like a military-patriotic site, where are so many minusers sympathetic to ukram from here?

          Firstly: do not confuse the jingoistic patriotic with the military-patriotic, and secondly: they do not sympathize with the ukram here, but respect the opponents, which is right.
          1. Alexey G
            Alexey G 24 October 2020 09: 59
            -2
            These two states have never been respected opponents in the history of wars ...
            1. Narak-zempo
              Narak-zempo 24 October 2020 10: 57
              -6
              Quote: Alexey G
              These two states have never been respected opponents in the history of wars ...

              Directly removed from the tongue.
      4. alexmach
        alexmach 24 October 2020 10: 40
        0
        The article actually says what they did there.
    2. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 23 October 2020 09: 51
      +6
      Turks came to Zaporozhye for a long time and looked. AI-450 has already been tested at Anka. Now the Progress ZKMB is making a Turkish order, but since the Progressists themselves will not pull it, Motor will get part of the order.
    3. Alexey G
      Alexey G 24 October 2020 09: 55
      -1
      These are the kisses of two political dead ...
  • Hypertension
    Hypertension 23 October 2020 20: 49
    0
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    It seems like someone let slip that 16 km is its maximum height ... the machine is certainly dangerous for an enemy who does not have advanced air defense.

    And who has advanced air defense? There have been such countries once, twice. And so, this UAV is beautiful, dog, you can't argue ... Everything is according to the precepts of Tupolev ...
    1. Alexey G
      Alexey G 24 October 2020 10: 03
      -2
      Yes, the Old Testament technique with the New Testament marriage ...
  • APASUS
    APASUS 23 October 2020 21: 35
    0
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    It seems like someone let slip that 16 km is its maximum height ... the machine is certainly dangerous for an enemy who does not have advanced air defense.

    With this size and advanced air defense is not needed and the S-75 will be enough.
  • smart ass
    smart ass 30 October 2020 11: 03
    0
    The Russian army is full of such machines))))
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 23 October 2020 06: 31
    17
    And we were told that the Selyukov aviation industry had died, but they are also developing developments ..
    1. mark1
      mark1 23 October 2020 06: 43
      26
      They also produce composites of the required quality.
      And the engines are quickly developed and put into series.
      Underestimating the enemy has led to problems many times.
      1. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 23 October 2020 09: 54
        +3
        Well, engines aren't being developed anymore. AI - 450, 500 is a rather old development. There were simply no buyers, so it was not produced in large quantities. Now they have found application. I will not say about composites, I know what are used in the manufacture of blades for helicopters. But their quality has not yet been verified.
        1. Zufei
          Zufei 23 October 2020 10: 21
          +1
          Development is underway. You underestimate.
          1. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 23 October 2020 10: 42
            +4
            Money is needed for development, and Progress has gone through another reduction and is now on a four-day period.
            1. Zufei
              Zufei 23 October 2020 10: 46
              18
              I work for Ivchenko-Progress. AI-500 does not exist. AI-450 of various modifications has a power of about 400-750 hp. There are turboprop and turboshaft modifications.
              1. TermNachTer
                TermNachTer 23 October 2020 12: 38
                -2
                Well, let it be called - MC - 500, do you feel better? Or has its design changed?
                1. Zufei
                  Zufei 23 October 2020 13: 21
                  +7
                  MS-500 is a parallel project of Motor Sich. Has no relation to Bayraktar.
                  1. TermNachTer
                    TermNachTer 23 October 2020 18: 19
                    -3
                    So AI - 450 also has nothing to do with "bayraktar".
                    1. Zufei
                      Zufei 23 October 2020 20: 39
                      +3
                      Have you read the article? Bayraktar Akinci contains a pair of AI-450T.
                      1. TermNachTer
                        TermNachTer 23 October 2020 23: 00
                        0
                        I told you about "Bayraktar TV - 2". I know that the Turks ordered the engines and that part of the order will go to "Motor", but I thought it was for "Anka".
            2. Narak-zempo
              Narak-zempo 23 October 2020 14: 54
              -11 qualifying.
              Quote: TermNachTER
              Money is needed for development, and Progress has gone through another reduction and is now on a four-day period.

              I confirm.
              I am a resident of Kiev, daughter of an engineer, the salary is given out as in the 90s with old groats.
        2. shahor
          shahor 23 October 2020 18: 06
          0
          Quote: TermNachTER
          Well, engines aren't being developed anymore.

          We have just signed a contract - they will make engines for the new Turkish Kyrgyz Republic. After all, Yuzhmash. You can't drink the skill ...
          1. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 23 October 2020 18: 20
            +1
            Do you know what Yuzhmash and its design bureau were doing? What kind of crap is KR?)))
            1. shahor
              shahor 23 October 2020 18: 40
              0
              Quote: TermNachTER
              What kind of crap is KR?)))

              Do you even read the comments that you are trying to comment on? We are talking about engines for kr.
              1. TermNachTer
                TermNachTer 23 October 2020 22: 58
                0
                Yuzhmash made ICBMs and space rockets. What they now want to "sell" the MO Banderland is called: "Give us money, and then you will look for a long time"))))
                1. alexmach
                  alexmach 24 October 2020 10: 48
                  0
                  According to the rumors of eyewitnesses at Yuzhmash, everything was very bad 15-20 years ago.
                  1. TermNachTer
                    TermNachTer 24 October 2020 13: 33
                    -2
                    I don't know about 15 - 20. But now - "darkness". The plant is disconnected from the heat supply, it works 1-2 days a week and then, basically, the management.
                    1. alexmach
                      alexmach 24 October 2020 21: 41
                      0
                      Even then, as they say, there were only pensioners, and no new developments - only the baggage of the 60s
                    2. shahor
                      shahor 24 October 2020 23: 06
                      0
                      Quote: TermNachTER
                      The plant is disconnected from the heat supply, it works 1-2 days a week and then, basically, the management.

                      Are you talking about the Khrunichev plant?
                      1. TermNachTer
                        TermNachTer 24 October 2020 23: 35
                        +1
                        I don't have the habit of writing about what I don't know. I wrote about Dnepropetrovsk. And if you feel bad in Russia, come to Banderlyand, in a couple of months Russia will be like a holiday for you)))
          2. Zufei
            Zufei 23 October 2020 20: 46
            +2
            Yuzhmash is not engaged in turbojet engine
    2. Borz
      Borz 24 October 2020 09: 30
      0
      Selyuki are still capable of producing components, but the ability to independently design and create a large aircraft is approaching zero. Even high-quality repairs are not able to perform, remember the scandal with the repair of the MiG-21 for the Croatian Air Force.
  • Alex 2020
    Alex 2020 23 October 2020 06: 42
    25
    Why can the Turks create a decent strike UAV in a short time and put it into production, but Russia cannot? They will create a "no analogs" layout, at best a few (no more than 2) samples and ..... that's it. Fairy tales begin that just about, already tomorrow, well, as a last resort, the day after tomorrow will go into series ... and except for exhibitions and parades is nowhere to be seen.
    1. Thrifty
      Thrifty 23 October 2020 07: 15
      +7
      Alexey2020 - the first reason is the lack of microelectronics in our country, especially the military class, and a powerful lobby from among the military, "fighting" battles of the early 20th century!
      1. Narak-zempo
        Narak-zempo 23 October 2020 15: 11
        -3
        Quote: Thrifty
        Alexey2020 - the first reason is the lack of microelectronics in our country, especially the military class, and a powerful lobby from among the military, "fighting" battles of the early 20th century!

        Why, aliexpress was also blocked with sanctions? laughing
        1. D16
          D16 25 October 2020 16: 40
          -1
          Why, aliexpress was also blocked with sanctions?

          The Turks will soon have to order components on aliexpress laughing .
    2. Ka-52
      Ka-52 23 October 2020 07: 16
      -5
      Why can the Turks create a decent strike UAV in a short time and put it into production, but Russia cannot?

      Well, if you think with your head, you will find the answer. Attack UAVs are good for low intensity localized wars. Or specific operations. Russia is now investing funds (not so big, maybe patriots like to yell "where is everything?", But do not like to pay taxes) in the production of controlled aircraft - MFIs, fighters, fighter bombers, helicopters, etc. The UAV sector is closed mainly by reconnaissance drones, the saturation of which is, in principle, satisfactory. Attack drones are funded more on a leftover basis. Therefore, bawl "how long ?!" worth after thinking and trying to find the answer hi
      1. Alex 2020
        Alex 2020 23 October 2020 07: 35
        0
        It was a rhetorical question! If I had written it as it is, I would have gotten banned again.
      2. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 23 October 2020 07: 38
        -1
        Quote: Ka-52
        Attack drones are funded more on leftover basis

        Attack drones are needed, of course. But combat aircraft are orders of magnitude more effective. Those who do not and will not have it will have to arm themselves with such drones. This is a weapon for local wars. Against an enemy that does not have a serious air defense system. The Russian army will have such. But so that right now it would be worth shouting - oh, we will lose the war tomorrow! We do not have attack drones with a combat load of 100 kg ... The reconnaissance drone will "illuminate" the target, and long-range artillery or from an aircraft will smear it with a thin layer. And about the fact that we do not have microelectronics of the "military" class? Well, why do we have publicly available information about what kind of "defense" electronics are produced and who? It's like it was at least chipboard and it is. But in reality - much steeper classified. Russia DOES NOT SELL such electronics in open markets, and does not advertise for it.
        1. Ka-52
          Ka-52 23 October 2020 07: 52
          0
          that's right
        2. Captain Pushkin
          Captain Pushkin 23 October 2020 15: 11
          +9
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          This is a weapon for local wars. Against an enemy without serious air defense

          And who are we with for the last 3 decades and in what conflicts have we really fought?
          It is in local wars. It is with an enemy that does not have serious air defense.
        3. core
          core 24 October 2020 04: 21
          0
          good comment
    3. Bagatur
      Bagatur 23 October 2020 07: 54
      +3
      Turkish drone with Ukrainian engines, filling from the west. They got it pretty well. Oh, Russia? Russia sent Su 25 to Syria for reconnaissance and the guy died ... The country paid for the lag with his life.
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 23 October 2020 08: 20
        +4
        Quote: bagatura
        Russia sent Su 25 to Syria for reconnaissance and the guy died ... The country paid for the lag with his life.

        Complete nonsense. Reconnaissance stormtrooper? When were Dronov in Syria in the sky - like mosquitoes in July? Stop spreading fakes, retarded ...
        1. Gvardeetz77
          Gvardeetz77 23 October 2020 09: 36
          +8
          Advanced, if Dronov were like mosquitoes in July, then Alexander Prokhorenko would be alive now, and if there were at least some drums, then Roman Filippov. And so we cover our backlog with people's lives.
          1. Mountain shooter
            Mountain shooter 23 October 2020 09: 43
            +4
            Quote: Gvardeetz77
            And so we cover our backlog with people's lives.

            And you go there too? Compare the calibers of ammunition. Which were used by our aviation, and which are used by attack drones. Will you fight a lot against underground shelters and caches that the howitzer shell does not take? Full of "shock troops" for amers fly ... And they fought a lot in Mosul and Raqqa? Not everything is as it seems to you. And stop singing fairy tales about "backward" Russia. For a long time already "does not roll" ...
          2. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 23 October 2020 11: 35
            +8
            Quote: Gvardeetz77
            Advanced, if Dronov were like mosquitoes in July, then Alexander Prokhorenko would be alive now

            Alexander Prokhorenko was an advanced aircraft control officer of the MTR. Specialists of this profession are in all the major armies of the world - FAC, TACP, JTAC. Even despite the presence of a UAV.
            And specialists "from the other side" in Afghanistan, Iraq or Syria are also trampling the ground and doing the same thing as senior lieutenant Prokhorenko. In Herat in 2009 Staff Sgt. Robert Gutierrez Jr. (JTAC), being surrounded with the group, continued to coordinate airstrikes, even with a penetrating chest wound.
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 23 October 2020 13: 10
              0
              As if 11 years have passed. And are you sure that if there were drones, it would be needed there?
              1. Alexey RA
                Alexey RA 23 October 2020 14: 00
                +5
                Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                As if 11 years have passed. And are you sure that if there were drones, it would be needed there?

                Well here's 2018: awarding two JTACs for excellent performance during Operation Faryab Response.
                Staff Sgt. Stephen Mynatt from the 13th Air Support Operations Squadron at Fort Carson, Colorado, and a senior airman from the 19th Air Support Operations Squadron at Fort Campbell, Kentucky, each received an Army Commendation Medal during their deployment to Bagram and additional regional locations.

                Or 2019: Kentucky Air National Guard Special Ops Tech. Sgt. Daniel Keller received the Air Force Cross for the courage and heroism shown on 16.08.2017/XNUMX/XNUMX when organizing the evacuation of his colleagues who were wounded during the operation to storm the fortified positions of IS. In short: having received a concussion in the explosion, he was able to examine possible landing sites for evacuation helicopters, chose the best one and then directed the aircraft to suppress the firing points that interfered with the evacuation.
                In 2020, the Italians wrote about their JTACs interacting with the F-35.
                1. IS-80_RVGK2
                  IS-80_RVGK2 23 October 2020 18: 17
                  -3
                  Actually, the question is how much it would be needed there in the presence of drones. Circumstances vary.
                  1. alexmach
                    alexmach 24 October 2020 10: 54
                    0
                    Not needed at all, they just risked his life and gave him a reward. These are the Americans, they are stupid (c)
            2. Narak-zempo
              Narak-zempo 23 October 2020 15: 16
              -11 qualifying.
              Quote: Alexey RA
              In Herat in 2009 Staff Sgt. Robert Gutierrez Jr. (JTAC), being surrounded with the group, continued to coordinate airstrikes, even with a penetrating chest wound.

              I don’t believe, mattresses cannot do that, only ours, well, the Germans are a little (and even then not modern rainbow ones).
              1. Alexey RA
                Alexey RA 23 October 2020 20: 07
                +8
                Quote: Narak-zempo
                I don’t believe, mattresses cannot do that, only ours, well, the Germans are a little (and even then not modern rainbow ones).

                In-in ... first we spread propaganda about the soulless, lazy and cowardly Yankees, and then we are surprised that for some reason the reality does not correspond to it. Like the Japanese after the first six months of the war. smile

                I just looked at the details of that battle - the sergeant had two ribs punctured, a shoulder blade, blood went into the chest, a lung collapsed. The medic managed to restore lung function, but when he demanded to take off his bulletproof vest and body kit to take care of the wound, the sergeant refused, saying that he could not be left without communication (and he was right - without JTAC the group would have gone to bed). In general, he lost more than 2 liters of blood, hobbled along with the group one and a half kilometers to the evacuation zone, at the same time aiming evacuation helicopters on it and controlling the work of the A-10 and F-16 at firing points that hindered the group's advance. The hospital has 7 operations, 3 blood transfusions.
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    4. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 23 October 2020 09: 57
      +1
      No drone can replace a normal aircraft, at least in the near future. When technologies allow to abandon the control operator altogether, it will be a 6th generation aircraft.
      1. Snail N9
        Snail N9 23 October 2020 10: 08
        +7
        No drone can replace a normal aircraft, at least in the near future.

        Exactly. This is exactly what our so-called "generals" said and say about drones ... - they have a "mantra" like this, they constantly repeat it "at all angles" - this is one of the main reasons why Russia is catastrophically lagging behind in unmanned aerial vehicles. aviation.
        1. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 23 October 2020 10: 11
          -4
          If it comes to a direct clash between Russia and Turkey, will their UAVs against the Russian Aerospace Forces greatly help them? When airfields and command posts are destroyed, communication channels are suppressed.
          1. Prahlad
            Prahlad 23 October 2020 12: 25
            +9
            On local sites, how will they help. There will be a picture like in Karabakh
            1. TermNachTer
              TermNachTer 23 October 2020 12: 28
              -3
              In local areas, it may be, until serious air defense and electronic warfare arrives there.
              1. Prahlad
                Prahlad 23 October 2020 12: 34
                +6
                Even these air defense systems do not help yet ... faith in them has been undermined, I generally keep quiet about the rab, it looks more like cutting the dough than a serious argument against the UAV. Soon the drones will be autonomous, then the slaves are generally useless here. Russia does not need to invest billions in this railroad. Dead end branch
                1. OgnennyiKotik
                  OgnennyiKotik 23 October 2020 12: 51
                  +4
                  Quote: Prahlad
                  about the rab I generally keep quiet, it looks more like a dough cut than a serious argument against the UAV. Soon the drones will be autonomous, then the slaves are generally useless here.

                  This has been known for a long time to those who have even the slightest understanding of radio physics.
                  Rate the comments https://topwar.ru/106457-v-rf-razrabotan-kompleks-reb-dlya-borby-s-miniatyurnymi-bespilotnikami.html
                  Quote: Prahlad
                  Russia does not need to invest billions in this railroad. Dead end branch

                  I strongly disagree. Electronic warfare is a component of combined arms combat. Air and naval systems simply cannot fight without it, land systems are needed, but they do not need to be turned into a wunderwolf, like we do. EW has 3 main areas of suppression, defense, reconnaissance. All of them are needed, but they work according to the laws of radio physics, not magic.
                2. TermNachTer
                  TermNachTer 23 October 2020 13: 19
                  -5
                  Go to Wikipedia - Khmeimim))) UAVs cannot fly there, you see the weather is not flying))))
          2. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 23 October 2020 13: 14
            +5
            Global conflicts are not yet visible. But at the same time, there are a lot of local ones where drones are really needed. And in general, drones are needed not only for war. There are tons of other tasks.
          3. t-12
            t-12 23 October 2020 19: 48
            0
            If it comes to a direct clash between Russia and Turkey, will their UAVs help them greatly against the Russian Aerospace Forces?
            Yes, they will. Unmanned aerial vehicles (not only flying, but also ground-based) will be the first to bomb Russian airfields, headquarters and communication points. And there will be nothing to strike back.
            1. D16
              D16 25 October 2020 17: 00
              -2
              The only conflict where Turkish UAVs met, although not immediately, with a sane military air defense was in Idlib. Judging by the results, they quickly ended.
      2. lelik613
        lelik613 23 October 2020 18: 31
        +1
        The forty-ton drone is still redundant, as are the Sushki 27 families both in Syria and in Karabakh. And in a big war, drones will intercept a significant range of functions of manned aircraft.
    5. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 23 October 2020 10: 41
      15
      Well, I realized that this weapon is useless, unnecessary for us, and in general, electronic warfare will win everything? It is very similar to a poor family in which a child asks for new clothes, but there is no money for it, so they persuade that these clothes are not needed.
      American drones made more than 3400 sorties during the Vietnam War, Israel used them in all wars since 1967.
      They say that UAVs are suitable for wars against the Papuans, but there are no other wars. Afghanistan, Chechnya, Syria would not help drone UAVs there? Is the combat load low? Predator C has a payload of 2,9 tons, Reaper takes 8 Hellfire, Axungur flew with 12 MAM-L for 28 hours. One sortie minus 8/12 tanks, BMP, jihad mobiles. They still need to be found, it's good if you find 2-4 per flight. Well, you can't leave cast iron from a UAV, for this Su25 / 24 needs to be substituted under MANPADS.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 23 October 2020 14: 00
        +8
        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        Well, I realized that this weapon is useless, unnecessary for us, and in general, electronic warfare will win everything? It is very similar to a poor family in which a child asks for new clothes, but there is no money for it, so they persuade that these clothes are not needed.
        American drones made more than 3400 sorties during the Vietnam War, Israel used them in all wars since 1967.
        They say that UAVs are suitable for wars against the Papuans, but there are no other wars. Afghanistan, Chechnya, Syria would not help drone UAVs there? Is the combat load low? Predator C has a payload of 2,9 tons, Reaper takes 8 Hellfire, Axungur flew with 12 MAM-L for 28 hours. One sortie minus 8/12 tanks, BMP, jihad mobiles. They still need to be found, it's good if you find 2-4 per flight. Well, you can't leave cast iron from a UAV, for this Su25 / 24 needs to be substituted under MANPADS.

        One of the clearest comments about electronic warfare and UAVs on the site!
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 23 October 2020 14: 04
          +1
          Thanks for the approval hi
        2. dauria
          dauria 23 October 2020 17: 00
          -7
          One of the clearest comments about electronic warfare and UAVs on the site!

          Of course !!! laughing And if Israel sold tents for tourists, they would become essential equipment for "any modern army."
          Of course they are needed, of course they will be useful. In the army, both an electric kettle and an iron with a "grinder" are needed. But enough about "the greatest breakthrough of all time", fed up. One of the means of intelligence. In addition, not tested in a real batch. No more.
          1. Vitaly gusin
            Vitaly gusin 23 October 2020 18: 24
            +6
            Quote: dauria
            In addition, not tested in a real batch.

            I am already writing about "KIND". But for YOU, personally, once again from people who understand something and can understand it.
            http://www.vko.ru/voyny-i-konflikty/mir-galilee-razgrom-dlya-rtv
            In June 1982, during the First Lebanon War during Operation Artsav-19, the largest air battle since the Second World War took place in the skies over Lebanon, in which the Israelis with the help of UAVs AQM-34, Tadiran Mastiff and IAI Scout defeated the air defenses of Syria and Lebanon. Syria lost 86 combat aircraft and 18 air defense systems. This was achieved thanks to combining UAVs with on-board television cameras and missiles guided with their help.
            Tel Aviv made a decision - to destroy the Syrian air defenses in the Bekaa Valley. 9 June 1982. In 14.00, the Israeli Air Force exposed its positions ZRV and RTV with surprise air strikes. In just two hours, 19 spy has been completely destroyed. Another 4 srdn were seriously damaged. Heavy losses suffered and units of PTB. Not a single Israeli aircraft was hit during a massive attack of air defense weapons.
            Peter Moiseenko
            Colonel, Head of the Tactics Department
            and weapons of radio engineering troops
            Military Academy of Aerospace Defense,
            Candidate of Military Sciences

            Valentin TARASOV
            Major General, Associate Professor, Department of Tactics
            and armament of radio engineering troops of the Military
            Academy of Aerospace Defense,
            Candidate of Military Sciences, Professor
            1. dauria
              dauria 23 October 2020 18: 45
              -4
              [quote candidate of military sciences, professor] [/ quote]

              Enough, fed up. Now on to the case. In the late 70s, it was seriously believed that a squadron of helicopters would burn a tank division and not frown. Where are the attack helicopters now? That's right ... sitting on the ground as a future consumable. Necessary but expendable
              It's the same with the UAV. The crow shits on his head, while the grandfather finds an old double-barreled gun, while he unearths cartridges in the closet, hidden by his wife from sin. The infantry will grow teeth very quickly. Delov ... stations for targets with low RCS, a single field and relatively cheap missiles, both from the ground and in combination with air-to-air. Well, and practicing tactics.
              And for the Jews and Arabs. We received newsletters from those years. And an interesting thing ... The Arabs showed surprisingly tolerable results. Not the Vietnamese, but the reputation of the F-15 and especially the F-16 was badly tarnished even by these disorderly Syrians.
              By the way, I give an idea. Jews, it's time for you to deploy and sell and the means of fighting the infantry with these your UAVs. Selling dandruff - why not "vparit" and shampoo from it?
              1. Vitaly gusin
                Vitaly gusin 23 October 2020 19: 19
                0
                Quote: dauria
                Where are the attack helicopters now?

                (Source: Israel Air Force; published August 30, 2020)
                Newly division attack helicopters The US Air Force conducted exercises in southern Israel. The exercise involved about 40 crew members, including regular and reserve personnel, as well as about 14 Apache helicopters from both US Air Force attack helicopter squadrons located at Ramon AFB: 113th (Hornet) Squadron, which operates Saraf ... "(Apache Longbow) and 190th (" Magic Touch ") Squadron, which is operated by" Peten "(Apache).
                Boeing delivers 2500th AH-64 Apache helicopter
                Today's electronic Apache model includes integrated technologies, including communications and navigation capabilities to enhance situational awareness and coordination; new, faster multi-core mission processor for advanced system integration; and maritime fire control radar capabilities for vessel detection and identification, as well as shorter durations.
                Quote: dauria
                By the way, I give an idea

                It is corny and simple.
                Read more. Then there will be no need to write about crows or shampoo.
                1. dauria
                  dauria 23 October 2020 20: 22
                  -2
                  Read more.

                  Eh ... !!! Yes, if I knew how to read ... I would now work as a mechanic at Krasnoye Sormovo. wink
                  The UAV is a trifle. And they will not look like the "Bleriot" of the First World War, but on the F-35 without a pilot.
                  Better be afraid of a terrible weapon - the decision of the Chinese to allow a third child for a family and the moment when they are on par with the United States in terms of warheads.
                  1. Vitaly gusin
                    Vitaly gusin 23 October 2020 21: 49
                    0
                    Quote: dauria
                    Eh ... !!! Yes, if I could read.

                    Let me help you!
                    The online primer is a whole complex of entertaining games aimed at learning letters and learning to read syllables, words and simple sentences.
                    https://bukvar-online.ru/
                    And your dream will come true.
                    Quote: dauria
                    I would now work as a mechanic at Krasny Sormovo.

                    Quote: dauria
                    UAV is a trifle

                    The Bundeswehr will soon be armed with Israeli reconnaissance and strike drones. Yesterday, July 26, 2020, the press service of the Israeli Aerospace Industries company on its official YouTube channel published a video of the first flight of the Heron TP drone.

                    Quote: dauria
                    Better fear a terrible weapon - the decision of the Chinese to allow a third child into a family

                    In China, families may be allowed to have a third child. The proposal was put forward by the representative of the southern province of Guangdong Zhu Leyu, writes the Global Times.
                    I promise you it will not affect your life in any way.
                    1. dauria
                      dauria 23 October 2020 22: 11
                      +1
                      I promise you it will not affect your life in any way.


                      Still would be reflected. How much of it is left there, my life. But in general - thank you, approved in the decision. The technically competent old man related to the army no longer appears here. There is nothing more to do on the so-called "military" survey. Five years ago it was a smoking room for military specialists. Now the google-enlightened party has little idea how many day-to-day workers are in the company.
                      Well, the last Mohicans like the Nexus, goodbye.
      2. Andrey sh
        Andrey sh 24 October 2020 19: 20
        -2
        Strongly they helped amers in Afghanistan?
    6. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan 23 October 2020 11: 18
      14
      Why can the Turks create a decent strike UAV in a short time and put it into production, but Russia cannot?


      Because Turkey uses technologies, equipment and various ready-made modules of advanced developed countries (for example, a sighting complex from Bayraktar from Canada), and Russia has to do it all itself and start from scratch, and our industrial base, especially in terms of electronics, is much inferior to the West.

      Miracles do not happen, we are lagging behind the West in industrial terms in all directions.

      That is why our ARVs are more like schoolchildren's handicrafts, but in their case they already become full-fledged fighters, and they are also inconspicuous and economical and they do not risk people when they are not needed.

      And we all send an analogue of the Il-2 (Su-25) into battle, and he will live there until he meets the MANPADS.

      We need to draw conclusions and change, develop our industry and electronics. Otherwise, we will soon be rolled out as Armenians in Karabakh.
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 23 October 2020 12: 55
        -6
        Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
        Miracles do not happen, we are lagging behind the West in industrial terms in all directions

        Forgive me, what industry do you work in? Can I specifically? And not information from Lenta or a merchant?
        1. Ratmir_Ryazan
          Ratmir_Ryazan 23 October 2020 15: 04
          +6
          Do you want to object to something? Well, write in which industry are we not inferior to the West? You can be seen as a person from all industries at once and clearly want to talk about our achievements.

          Only now I have a question, why on the shelves of our stores everything except for the product is mostly imported from a toothbrush to a car?

          Where can we see the successes of our industry to the extent that we can proudly declare that we are in no way inferior to them?
          1. Andrey sh
            Andrey sh 24 October 2020 19: 16
            -2
            We look at the Russian hunter and Turkish UAVs. They differ by no means in favor of Turkey. An expensive infection in the Russian Federation will not be able to release much, but the Turks also have problems with this ... There are much more problems with light UAVs and their number - mastodons are good at chasing a weak enemy and nothing more. Here is the loss to China with drones - this is serious. And the US doesn't seem to be losing to them either ...
    7. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 23 October 2020 12: 41
      -3
      By the way, Canada has stopped supplying optoelectronic units and engines, the older brother has banned them. So now the Turks will have problems. They took the engines from Ukraine. But as soon as the Washington Reich Chancellery says: "Stop." This source will also be covered.
      1. Oquzyurd
        Oquzyurd 23 October 2020 13: 05
        +3
        "Canada has stopped deliveries of optoelectronic units and engines" It does not matter. Optoelectronic units are let in by Aselsan (Turkey), engines are serially made by TEI (Turkey)


        Engines PG50, PD170, PD220, serial, for UAVs.
        1. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 23 October 2020 13: 21
          -1
          Yeah, just some kind of casting still doesn't work. They bought IT in Austria, but after the Turkish killer surrendered there, they won't buy it.
      2. donavi49
        donavi49 23 October 2020 13: 07
        11
        Canada has never supplied engines.

        There are different - Austrian Rotaxes (which, for example, cannot be dragged into Russia in any way, only Reds less adapted for UAVs, and now Leonardo is going to buy Rotaxes - 0% chances even for a one-time purchase sad ) and their TEIs (now they mainly go to UAVs from the corporation - TAI) family and large series.




        The ball was also replaced by import. I just bought Selzhuk in Canada - cheaper and better optical channel. Now they will buy in the same place where they buy TAI (ASELFLIR-400 from the Turkish manufacturer Aselsan) - there the optical channel is worse, and the thermal one is even better + an anti-fog channel with a separate channel, and not by emulation like from Canadians. That is, the quality of daytime films will drop (but it will grow into fog), but nighttime films through the tepak will be much more interesting. Well, this station is more expensive than the Canadians.


        You can scold the tomato sultan as much as you like, watch the chronicles of the falling lyre. But it cannot be denied that all those years when Turkey could buy everything without restrictions, they were very intensively engaged in buying technology and establishing their own solutions. Therefore, now they are quite ready for import substitution and entering the large arms market as a leading exporter and a tough competitor to those who sold arms and technology to Turkey 10 years ago.
        1. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 23 October 2020 13: 23
          0
          I apologize for the engines, I confused them with the helicopter ones. And do they make or buy the matrices for everything that you have listed?
          1. donavi49
            donavi49 23 October 2020 13: 44
            +7
            By the age of 10, they mastered their production of matrices and lenses. Now they produce the whole range of products:
            https://www.aselsan.com.tr/en/capabilities/electro-optic-systems

            Ready-made products are actively sold, for example to Ukraine:




            And they even open factories with partners, for example, in Kazakhstan they are already sharpening lenses for Kazakhstan Aselsan Engineering, and they are even considering Russia for sale (Turkey supplies components to a partner in Kazakhstan, and Kazakhstan supplies an assembled product to Russia - a 5-point scheme):
            This year we signed an agreement with Uzbekistan - we supply products there... In addition, we are working on issues of cooperation with other neighboring states, including Kyrgyzstan, with Tajikistan. Negotiations underway with Russia.
            We produce night vision devices and sights, thermal imaging sights, LPR (laser reconnaissance device), they combine both a thermal imaging channel and an optical, rangefinder. In addition, we produce daytime optical sights. Modern combat has its own characteristics, we take them into account. For example, we have a small reflex sight. We combined it with the PSO - this is the scope of a sniper rifle. That is, a serviceman who fights in an urban setting, in the event of going out into a large open space, can shoot at long distances, and he does not need to change the sight. He already has a unified optical device.
            1. TermNachTer
              TermNachTer 23 October 2020 14: 07
              0
              Actually, I'm on the matrix - if you don't understand. As far as I know, matrices are produced by only a few countries on the planet - 5 - 6. It's a very complicated tsyatska. I have not heard that Turkey has established their production, at least by the piece.
              1. Oquzyurd
                Oquzyurd 23 October 2020 23: 15
                -1
                This video is more than two years old. You may see the thread.

                1. TermNachTer
                  TermNachTer 23 October 2020 23: 35
                  -2
                  Now such films are sent from Karabakh, you can just cry. Unfortunately, no one knows where the truth is and where it is drawn. If Turkey produces everything by itself, why was it necessary to buy blocks in Canada? Nowhere to spend money?
                  1. Oquzyurd
                    Oquzyurd 24 October 2020 00: 14
                    0
                    Business, Canadian ones are cheaper. But they bought only for Bayraktar TV2. (Cheap UAVs) Local ones also produce theirs, for Anki-S (expensive UAVs), and in total they are more sophisticated than Canadian ones. If Canadians do not sell, they will install their own to Bayraktar TV2.
                    1. boriz
                      boriz 24 October 2020 12: 28
                      +2
                      The video does not quite understand the level of work with silicon wafers. Either they own them, or they bought them, cut them into chips and put them in cases. The processing of the wafers during the growth of the structures is not visible.
                      And so, impressive. For a country of the level of Turkey, it is very good.
    8. Grits
      Grits 23 October 2020 14: 08
      +3
      Quote: Alexey 2020
      Why can the Turks create a decent strike UAV in a short time and put it into production, but Russia cannot?

      Another 10 years of the exam and our level will be - only airships.
    9. Narak-zempo
      Narak-zempo 23 October 2020 15: 00
      -8
      Quote: Alex 2020
      Why can the Turks create a decent strike UAV in a short time and put it into production, but Russia cannot? They will create a "no analogs" layout, at best a few (no more than 2) samples and ..... that's it. Fairy tales begin that just about, already tomorrow, well, as a last resort, the day after tomorrow will go into series ... and except for exhibitions and parades is nowhere to be seen.

      And we can, and such that the Turks never dreamed of.
      That's when they launch into the series something even remotely similar to "Hunter", then we'll talk.
      1. The eye of the crying
        The eye of the crying 24 October 2020 19: 42
        +3
        The hunter is an experimental apparatus. It is not mass-produced and is unlikely to be.
    10. Sanichsan
      Sanichsan 23 October 2020 16: 44
      -4
      Quote: Alexey 2020
      Why can the Turks create a decent strike UAV in a short time and put it into production, but Russia cannot?

      why did you decide what it is decent UAV? any aircraft modeller at home can create a drone with GPS or Glonas navigation, but creating what they want in the army is a little different. other requests, so they make a strike "Hunter", and not a twin-engine training target.
      1. The eye of the crying
        The eye of the crying 24 October 2020 19: 45
        +2
        Quote: SanichSan
        any aircraft modeler at home can create a drone with GPS or Glonas navigation


        ... as well as with radar, missiles, bombs, and with a ceiling of almost 13 km. Aircraft modellers have to spit it all once.
        1. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 24 October 2020 20: 00
          -2
          Quote: Eye of the Crying
          ... as well as with radar, missiles, bombs, and with a ceiling of almost 13 km.

          Do you seriously want to claim that these are outstanding characteristics that give this drone some kind of protection? from whom? from the Papuans with AK?
          what will prevent the fighter of the last century, the mig-29 or f-16, which almost everyone has, to shoot down this bucket with a rocket air? what will prevent the S300 or Patriot complex from shooting down this subsonic target with a missile?

          the fact that the Turks at the factory can assemble an aircraft with the flight characteristics of the Second World Aviation is of course cool! wassat but I don’t understand where is the breakthrough and achievement?
          1. The eye of the crying
            The eye of the crying 24 October 2020 20: 07
            0
            Quote: SanichSan
            Do you seriously want to claim that these are outstanding characteristics that give this drone some kind of protection?


            I want to say that the statement about the model aircraft was, to put it mildly, unwise.

            Quote: SanichSan
            what will prevent the fighter of the last century, the mig-29 or f-16, which almost everyone has, to shoot down this bucket with a rocket air?


            Self-defense rockets can interfere.

            Quote: SanichSan
            what will prevent the S300 or Patriot complex from shooting down this subsonic target with a missile?


            Are we talking only about the S-300 and the Patriot, Torah and Armor already out of the game? Then only the tactics of application. By the way, the Hunter is also subsonic.

            Quote: SanichSan
            but I don’t understand where is the breakthrough and achievement?


            The achievement here is that the Turks did not do this before. Russia is not doing it now.
            1. Sanichsan
              Sanichsan 24 October 2020 21: 09
              -1
              Quote: Eye of the Crying
              I want to say that the statement about the model aircraft was, to put it mildly, unwise.

              and what's not smart about that? I wrote that there is nothing new and breakthrough in this pipilatse, from the word at all. visit the aircraft modeling forums. the drones I have described have been assembled at home and launched for five years now.
              Quote: Eye of the Crying
              Self-defense rockets can interfere.

              what kind? those who even cannot shoot down this aircraft? such will definitely not interfere with a supersonic fighter with a ceiling of 18-20 km wink
              Quote: Eye of the Crying
              Are we talking only about the S-300 and the Patriot, Torah and Armor already out of the game?

              that's an example. his and Pantsir and Thor will get the rest of the short- and medium-range air defenses. Do you want me to give the entire list of short and medium-range air defense systems of Russian production and foreign manufacturers? no, that's yourself wink
              Quote: Eye of the Crying
              The achievement here is that the Turks did not do this before. Russia is not doing it now.

              why spend serious resources to create this if we have had much better for a long time? I understand why Turkey needs such aircraft. they have a sadness with their own aircraft industry, they do not have their own attack aircraft, bombers and fighters. some kind of ersatz is needed. but why should Russia spend serious resources on this?
              reconnaissance drones design and make. it is clear why. they make it possible to realize the strike potential of the ground group. why drums? we are working on similar projects, but this is clearly not a priority. by the way in the USA too wink
              1. The eye of the crying
                The eye of the crying 24 October 2020 21: 13
                0
                Quote: SanichSan
                and what's not smart about that?


                Almost everything.

                Quote: SanichSan
                Self-defense rockets can interfere.

                what kind?


                The names are indicated in the article.

                Quote: SanichSan
                his and Pantsir and Thor will get the rest of the short- and medium-range air defenses.


                No. Because the maximum height of the defeat is not reached at the maximum range, and Akinchi will not come close. So with a guarantee - only S-300/400.

                Quote: SanichSan
                why spend serious resources to create this if we have had much better for a long time?


                For instance? Just don't talk about the Hunter - it's an experimental device.

                Quote: Eye of the Crying
                not a priority. by the way in the USA too


                Have you heard about equipping the MQ-9 with air-to-air missiles and the competition for a new UAV that will replace the MQ-9? OK.
                1. Sanichsan
                  Sanichsan 24 October 2020 21: 42
                  0
                  Quote: Eye of the Crying
                  The names are indicated in the article.

                  And now you want to declare that this ersatz has the same aerial combat capabilities as a fighter specialized for these tasks? by the fact that you can hang a Turkish handicraft on the sidewinder on it? isn't it funny to you yourself? laughing
                  Quote: Eye of the Crying
                  No. Because the maximum height of the defeat is not reached at the maximum range, and Akinchi will not come close. So with a guarantee - only S-300/400.

                  more Beech, Patriot and a lot of things in the middle range. and again, aviation. request
                  Quote: Eye of the Crying
                  For instance? Just don't talk about the Hunter - it's an experimental device.

                  Tu-22, Tu-160, Su-30, etc. conventional aircraft have significantly better flight characteristics and a significantly higher combat load, as well as significantly better detection capabilities. will you ignore it further to admire the drone?
                  Quote: Eye of the Crying
                  Have you heard about equipping the MQ-9 with air-to-air missiles and the competition for a new UAV that will replace the MQ-9? OK.

                  Have you heard of the cancellation of development of the MQ-9 replacement in 2018? cut as well as another 200 programs due to the fact that the US budget is not rubber.
                  and look to the facts! How many attack drones does the United States have and how many planes and why the F-15x are accepted and financed, and the replacement for the attack UAV is sent to the archive?
                  1. The eye of the crying
                    The eye of the crying 24 October 2020 22: 46
                    0
                    Quote: SanichSan
                    And now you want to declare that this ersatz has the same aerial combat capabilities as a fighter specialized for these tasks?


                    I don't even know where you got it from. I wanted to say exactly what I said - self-defense missiles can prevent a fighter from shooting it down. And, what a horror, even to shoot down a fighter.

                    Quote: SanichSan

                    Quote: SanichSan
                    why spend serious resources to create this if we have had much better for a long time?
                    Quote: Eye of the Crying
                    For instance? Just don't talk about the Hunter - it's an experimental device.


                    Tu-22, Tu-160, Su-30, etc. conventional aviation


                    No more questions.

                    Quote: SanichSan
                    Have you heard of the cancellation of development of the MQ-9 replacement in 2018?


                    In 2018? Cool. Here, I found a link for you: https://topwar.ru/171991-vvs-ssha-nachali-oficialno-iskat-zamenu-bespilotniku-mq-9-reaper.html

                    Quote: SanichSan
                    and look to the facts! how many attack drones does the USA have


                    500-600, too lazy to look for exact numbers.

                    Quote: SanichSan
                    a replacement for the shock UAV is sent to the archive


                    Stupidity.
                    1. Sanichsan
                      Sanichsan 25 October 2020 00: 13
                      0
                      Quote: Eye of the Crying
                      I don't even know where you got it from. I wanted to say exactly what I said - self-defense missiles can prevent a fighter from shooting it down. And, what a horror, even to shoot down a fighter.

                      Yes they can. these are air-to-air missiles, but the chances of a fight with an aircraft are extremely small request or even a tank can shoot down this UAV when it drops by 1 km, and the tank will shoot at it with a crowbar. he has no armor, so it will definitely destroy! wassat
                      you are completely playing with your "assumptions" ...
                      Quote: Eye of the Crying
                      No more questions.

                      strange .. no questions, but there are fantasies about the UAV request
                      Quote: Eye of the Crying
                      In 2018? Cool. Here, I found a link for you: https://topwar.ru/171991-vvs-ssha-nachali-oficialno-iskat-zamenu-bespilotniku-mq-9-reaper.html

                      what about the date in the article about placing a tender for development? and where to go? will not, will remain obsolete with the MQ-9. request
                      Quote: Eye of the Crying
                      500-600, too lazy to look for exact numbers.

                      I will greatly disappoint you .. MQ-9 in the US is 98. not 500, not 600 or even 100.
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                      2. OgnennyiKotik
                        OgnennyiKotik 25 October 2020 00: 30
                        -1
                        Quote: SanichSan
                        I will greatly disappoint you .. MQ-9 in the US is 98. not 500, not 600 or even 100.


                        By October 2007, the USAF owned nine Reapers, [17] and by December 2010 had 57 with plans to buy another 272, for a total of 329 Reapers.
                        The USAF operated 195 MQ-9 Reapers as of September 2016,[1] and plans to keep the MQ-9 in service into the 2030s.

                        The USAF ordered a total of 259 Predators, and due to retirements and crashes the number in Air Force operation was reduced to 154 as of May 2014.

                        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Atomics_MQ-9_Reaper
                        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Atomics_MQ-1_Predator

                        588 were purchased by Reapers and Predators, 250-349 in service now. This is without naval and other UAV classes.
                      3. Sanichsan
                        Sanichsan 25 October 2020 00: 51
                        0
                        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                        588 were purchased by Reapers and Predators, 250-349 in service now. This is without naval and other UAV classes.

                        yes, you could dig deeper hi
                        only the essence of the matter does not change anyway. they still have more than 10 times more planes yes
                        why do you think? may be due to the fact that the strike UAV is a very niche and narrow-profile technique, in contrast to the aircraft, which surpasses the UAV in carrying capacity, speed, maneuverability and detection means wink
                      4. OgnennyiKotik
                        OgnennyiKotik 25 October 2020 00: 57
                        -1
                        Reapers and Predators are UAVs from the 90s, new ones will start arriving very soon. Turbofan and turbojet engines with all the capabilities of modern manned aircraft.
                      5. Sanichsan
                        Sanichsan 25 October 2020 01: 10
                        0
                        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                        Reapers and Predators are UAVs from the 90s, new ones will start arriving very soon.

                        in which "very soon" when only this year was placed development tender? is it soon in 15 years? or as with the American missile defense, 30 and no result?
                        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                        Turbofan and turbojet engines with all the capabilities of modern manned aircraft.

                        the problem is not to stick the engine into the glider, the problem is to effectively control this later.
                        just think why the remote control module is not plugged into the F-35 instead of the cockpit? maybe because it can't be done?
                2. OgnennyiKotik
                  OgnennyiKotik 25 October 2020 00: 39
                  -1
                  Information on other UAVs for 2014:
                  As of January 2014, the US military operates a large number of unmanned aerial systems (UAVs or Unmanned Air Vehicles): 7,362 RQ-11 Ravens; 990 AeroVironment Wasp IIIs; 1,137 AeroVironment RQ-20 Pumas; and 306 RQ-16 T-Hawk small UAS systems 491 RQ-7 Shadows; and 33 RQ-4 Global Hawk large systems. [1]
                3. The eye of the crying
                  The eye of the crying 25 October 2020 00: 53
                  0
                  Quote: SanichSan
                  will greatly disappoint you.


                  Not too much. And not you, but your inability to work with information.
                  Quote: SanichSan
                  only the chances of a fight with an airplane are extremely small
                4. Sanichsan
                  Sanichsan 25 October 2020 01: 00
                  0
                  Quote: Eye of the Crying
                  Not too much. And not you, but your inability to work with information.

                  but your ability to work with information is impeccable! wassat
                  after this:
                  Quote: OgnennyiKotik

                  By October 2007, the USAF owned nine Reapers, [17] and by December 2010 had 57 with plans to buy another 272, for a total of 329 Reapers.
                  The USAF operated 195 MQ-9 Reapers as of September 2016, [1] and plans to keep the MQ-9 in service into the 2030s.

                  The USAF ordered a total of 259 Predators, and due to retirements and crashes the number in Air Force operation was reduced to 154 as of May 2014.

                  write this
                  Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                  588 were purchased by Reapers and Predators, 250-349 in service now. This is without naval and other UAV classes.

                  Explain how your colleague from 195 and 154 got 250-349 and as a result 588? really want to?
                5. OgnennyiKotik
                  OgnennyiKotik 25 October 2020 01: 08
                  -1

                  a total of 329 Reapers.
                  +
                  a total of 259 Predators
                  total 588 issued
                  195 MQ-9 Reapers as of September 2016
                  +
                  154 as of May 2014
                  Maximum 349 in service, in any case, some part was out of order, in terms of dynamics it is definitely not more than 100 units.
                6. Sanichsan
                  Sanichsan 25 October 2020 01: 31
                  +1
                  Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                  Maximum 349 in service

                  in in .. maximum. and this is somehow not 500-600.
                  but even 500-600 is incomparable with the number of aircraft hi even the country that has the greatest achievements in this area does not rely on strike UAVs. is there a version why? wink
          2. The eye of the crying
            The eye of the crying 25 October 2020 00: 55
            0
            Quote: SanichSan
            only the chances of a fight with an airplane are extremely small


            He will not "engage", he will simply fire a rocket. Just as the air defense systems do not "enter into battle". They just shoot.

            Quote: SanichSan
            I will greatly disappoint you ..


            Your inability to work with information is disappointing (not much - to be expected).
          3. Sanichsan
            Sanichsan 25 October 2020 01: 36
            +1
            Quote: Eye of the Crying
            He will not "engage", he will simply fire the rocket.

            of course not. and will not release a rocket. he will receive a rocket because the aircraft's ability to detect targets is incomparably higher.
            and so, your drone received a rocket and, together with high-precision weapons, flies to the ground in a beautiful burning ball .. what next?
            Quote: Eye of the Crying
            Your inability to work with information is disappointing (not much - to be expected).

            but yours are impressive! come up with 350 out of the planned 580, that's cool! expert level of work with information good
          4. The eye of the crying
            The eye of the crying 25 October 2020 02: 33
            -1
            Quote: SanichSan
            and will not release a rocket.


            Because of fear laughing

            Quote: SanichSan
            but yours are impressive! come up with 350 out of the planned 580, that's cool!


            So what? I was wrong less than 2 times laughing If you do not understand the phrase "too lazy to look for exact numbers", I am not your doctor.
          5. Sanichsan
            Sanichsan 25 October 2020 16: 53
            0
            Quote: Eye of the Crying
            So what? I was wrong less than 2 times

            significantly more than two.
            since the MQ-1 was decommissioned in 2018, and you count them. and MQ-9:
            The USAF ordered a total of 259 Predators, and due to retirements and crashes the number in Air Force operation was reduced to 154 as of May 2014.

            as a result, for 2020 0 MQ-1 and about 150 MQ-9. that is, I was mistaken less than 2 times wink
            by the way, both that data and my 98 are taken from the same wiki wink
            Quote: Eye of the Crying
            Because of fear

            Of course not. from the rocket. request there by the way it is written about it. wink
          6. The eye of the crying
            The eye of the crying 25 October 2020 17: 20
            0
            Quote: SanichSan
            I was wrong less than 2 times

            significantly more than two.


            Shta? 363 MQ-9 and 268 MQ-1 were delivered to the US Air Force, these are 631 machines. Even if half is lost, more than 300 cars remain. I named the numbers "500-600". So do not blame your sore head on a healthy one.

            Quote: SanichSan
            I was mistaken less than 2 times


            Congratulations on this achievement.

            Quote: SanichSan
            from the rocket.


            The drone also has rockets. He can shoot too. And your confidence that the drone will not have time to fire is rooted only in your imagination.
          7. Sanichsan
            Sanichsan 25 October 2020 17: 49
            0
            Quote: Eye of the Crying
            What?

            and that! wassat
            Quote: Eye of the Crying
            363 MQ-9s were delivered to the US Air Force

            363 was not delivered. It is a buy plan that has not been implemented. next year the last batch of 24 MQ-9 and total number of purchased is 337 excluding losses. while in 2014, of the 259 purchased in the ranks, 154 remained.
            Quote: Eye of the Crying
            and 268 MQ-1, this is 631 cars.

            one more time, MQ-1 removed from service in 2018... their 0, zero, zero, no. request
            and so, about 150 plus zero is 631? interesting math what
            Quote: Eye of the Crying
            The drone also has rockets. He can shoot too. And your confidence that the drone will not have time to fire is rooted only in your imagination.

            again. yes, there are missiles, yes, maybe, but the plane is much better adapted for air combat and has much more opportunities to hit the UAV first.

            PS
            from an article on finding a replacement for MQ-9:
            “Reaper has become a great platform for us. Four million flight hours is just an undeniable advantage in low intensity combat, and it certainly saves lives. But when we look at high intensity combat, we just can't bring them to the battlefield. It's easy to get them down», - said Will Roper, Air Force Assistant Secretary for Procurement, Technology and Logistics... According to Roper, in the current environment, the MQ-9 cannot be used in a possible conflict with Russia or China. whereas its use in low-intensity conflicts “requires too much money and labor».
            I think this is a good point in the discussion about the outstanding capabilities of the UAV bully
          8. The eye of the crying
            The eye of the crying 27 October 2020 03: 16
            +1
            Quote: SanichSan
            and that! wassat


            Yes, I screwed up here. Forgot that the MQ-1 had already been decommissioned.

            Quote: SanichSan
            next year the last batch of 24 MQ-9s will be purchased and the total number of purchased is 337 excluding losses


            This means that I was mistaken not less than 2 times, but more than 2 times. I hope you did not write the intelligence report based on numbers clearly marked as "too lazy to look for accurate data" laughing

            Quote: SanichSan
            again. yes, there are missiles, yes, maybe, but the plane is much better suited for air combat


            It just means that he has more chances in a duel situation. Nobody argues with this. But the drone also has a chance.
          9. Sanichsan
            Sanichsan 27 October 2020 13: 57
            -1
            Quote: Eye of the Crying
            This means that I was mistaken not less than 2 times, but more than 2 times. Hope you didn't write the numbers based intelligence clearly marked as "too lazy to look for exact data"

            exactly wassat
            you know, I really do not presume to say which of us was more wrong bully information based on Wikipedia, and this is a so-so source ... more or less confidently we can talk about 313 purchased, that is, those who actually entered the army, and a possible increase in this figure to 337 in 2021. but this does not include losses.
            however, it is also a fact that even the United States does not see the prospects for the use of attack UAVs in a serious conflict request and it turned out to be expensive to drive the Papuans with them ...
            Quote: Eye of the Crying
            It just means that he has more chances in a duel situation. Nobody argues with this. But the drone also has a chance.

            and here I agree with you soldier in general, comparing military equipment in dueling conditions is nonsense. under real conditions, the result is influenced by a huge number of factors. there the French in Dien Ben Phu totally outnumbered the Vietnamese in almost everything, but still lost request

            total: shock UAVs have their own niche of application under certain conditions, but at the current level of technology development are not a replacement for strike aircraft. well, apparently the control problems at high speeds have not been solved request
            PS
            IMHO for reconnaissance UAVs while more perspectives.
          10. The eye of the crying
            The eye of the crying 27 October 2020 14: 30
            0
            Quote: SanichSan
            at the current level of technology development are not a substitute for strike aircraft


            In general, they are not, but in private (Karabakh), they are already.

            Quote: SanichSan
            IMHO reconnaissance UAVs still have more prospects.


            Here are more prospects for combat UAVs. Intelligence technology is already mature. And combat - from MQ-X to Loyal Wingman through the C-70.
          11. Sanichsan
            Sanichsan 27 October 2020 14: 39
            0
            Quote: Eye of the Crying
            Here are more prospects for combat UAVs. Intelligence technology is already mature. And combat - from MQ-X to Loyal Wingman through the C-70.

            until the management problem is resolved it is a dead end. a response delay of 1-2 seconds or more is very critical in battle, and given the fact that this is a technique for tens and hundreds of millions of eternal greens, it is not at all cost-effective request
            perhaps the development of AI will solve problems request but it's not there yet.
            and where are the intelligence agencies already mature? the same first steps. yes, they are more confident than the drone UAVs, but only in view of the lower technical requirements. request
          12. The eye of the crying
            The eye of the crying 27 October 2020 14: 53
            0
            Quote: SanichSan
            a response delay of 1-2 seconds or more is very critical in battle


            Where does it come from? Just for the record - combat drones are already being made partially autonomous, and in the future they will become "partially piloted" (or even completely autonomous).

            Quote: SanichSan
            and where are the intelligence agencies already mature? the same first steps. Yes


            These "first steps" are already 20+ years old (and if you count from Firebee, then all 50). Now in service - from RQ-4 to small drones for infantry.
          13. Sanichsan
            Sanichsan 27 October 2020 15: 30
            0
            Quote: Eye of the Crying
            Where does it come from?

            from where and always. there is always a delay for operator actions, and the longer the range, the higher the delay. do you know physics request
            Quote: Eye of the Crying
            Just for the record - combat drones are already being made partially autonomous.

            right. in a low-intensity conflict without active opposition it works, but with active opposition it is already a problem.
            Quote: Eye of the Crying
            and in the future they will become "partially manned" (or even completely autonomous).
            I wrote about it. but so far this is the equivalent of a propeller aircraft that has a low survivability crane in the A2D2 zone request
            Quote: Eye of the Crying
            These "first steps" are already 20+ years old (and if you count from Firebee, then all 50). Now in service - from RQ-4 to small drones for infantry.
            yes, but no one can grab a single combat control map with information updated in real time, otherwise they carried out air reconnaissance in the first world request so with modern capabilities but at the level of the methods of the last century.
          14. The eye of the crying
            The eye of the crying 27 October 2020 18: 34
            0
            Quote: SanichSan
            but so far this is the equivalent of a propeller aircraft that has a low survivability crane in the A2D2 zone


            While. But Loyal Wingman's trials are already underway. The first aerial combat with a jet drone is planned for 2021.

            Quote: SanichSan
            but no one can grab a single combat control map with information updated in real time


            Not relevant. Can't brag or can, but doesn't brag - that doesn't stop recon drones from being mature technology.
  • Reiter
    Reiter 25 October 2020 12: 47
    +3
    For some reason, the Armenians are not very good at shooting down these drones, and they even have the SU-30, but something is interfering. And even if they were shot down, then any equipment is destroyed, it is important that shock drones allow the crew to strike at the enemy without risking it. In Syria, Russian Su and Mi helicopters were shot down. These losses might not have happened. In the United States, they are quite serious about creating strike drones. They have already been created and used for decades. The hunter is a single specimen. Russia uses only manned aircraft so far. And where it is possible and necessary to get by with shock UAVs too. The Russian armed forces now and for decades simply do not have a choice between attack aircraft and UAVs, amers, Israelis and Turks have such a choice, and la, they all have aircraft piloted at the same time. Do not forget that UAVs, unlike manned vehicles, can hang over the battlefield for days, UAVs have their own firmly based niche on the battlefield. It is criminal and stupid not to notice the obvious. The future belongs to robots. We hope that we still have a better person working on the battlefield directly, but if you read the latest news on AI developments, you will understand that AI on the battlefield is by no means a distant future, that while we see a unit Hunter nearby with almost a single Su-57 attached to the operator's control, in the USA the AI ​​already confidently outperforms the most experienced fighter pilots in dogfighting. And we will all send people to the slaughter in the old fashioned way, because outdated generals and such experts, as you think, were yesterday. Coming up with excuses for inaction and stupidity is a criminal undertaking.
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 23 October 2020 07: 12
    -2
    And how much Turkish is in it? The microelectronics are clearly Israeli, the optics are German, the body materials are from Asia. ... Team hodgepodge, although let's be honest, we have nothing of the kind! And yes Sergey hi , namesake, one AI specialist at one time pointed out to me that there is no Artificial Intelligence as such in any laboratory on the planet yet! Therefore, in the description of the technique, it is more accurate to write "onalog of Artificial Intelligence"!
    1. Mister X
      Mister X 23 October 2020 07: 40
      +4
      Quote: Thrifty
      body materials from Asia. ...

      hi
      The article states that Ukraine
      The Ukrainian side has contributed to the drone project primarily with engines and composite materials.
      Author: Yuferev Sergey
  • Victor Tsenin
    Victor Tsenin 23 October 2020 08: 43
    +3
    Several times there is AI, artificial intelligence ... Why they fool people with this marketing is not clear, there are purely automation and algorithms, it is clear that there are no thinking machines and will not be very soon.
  • bars1
    bars1 23 October 2020 09: 09
    -2
    Meanwhile, in Russia in December 2019. a contract was signed for the ROC "Altius-RU" to create a reconnaissance and strike UAV ...
    1. Alexey Bobrin
      Alexey Bobrin 23 October 2020 19: 46
      -3
      It has long been concluded. Wake up
  • OgnennyiKotik
    OgnennyiKotik 23 October 2020 10: 23
    +3
    They have the Aselsan Miniature Bomb gliding bomb in their weapons nomenclature. 145 kg, range up to 100 km. This is already against the BUK, the "old" S300.
    1. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 23 October 2020 12: 30
      -2
      Pictures are beautiful. Let them be sent to Karabakh, let's see what it will be like in reality.
      1. WapentakeLokki
        WapentakeLokki 23 October 2020 20: 14
        +3
        ..and you are still READY personally (from the bottom eats.t.no) to look at the attack of the Turkish UAV ??? ..really, you are either VERY brave (or, most likely, a civilian squad .. never hit by bombing (well, or mortars, which is very similar)) .. maybe Turkish UAVs are not Uber vyffe, but Armenians do not have in every platoon on the Armor (as, indeed, even Shilki of the times of Afgan), which means they dominate the sky of Karabakh (as in the distant 41 Ju-87 in the sky of the USSR) .. and the end of this domination is not in sight .. (and even in the Russian army something it is not very noticeable drills on countering UAVs) - which means that our boys MAY find themselves in the position of Armenians .. and what's wrong in my calculations ???
        1. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 23 October 2020 23: 04
          -2
          In Afghanistan, I happened to come under fire. Tomorrow I will just celebrate my Day. You very rightly noted that the UAV is not a wunderwaffle, if the Armenians were preparing, it would be very different. But in general, despite the novelties and the fact that they used everything they could, Azerbaijan did not succeed in practically anything. The safety zone has fulfilled its role.
        2. Narak-zempo
          Narak-zempo 25 October 2020 08: 55
          0
          Quote: WapentakeLokki
          but the Armenians do not have in every platoon the Pantsir

          Those. came to where it began, shock UAVs are against the Papuans, who do not have normal air defense (although in this case a comparison with monkeys is more appropriate).
    2. stone
      stone 23 October 2020 17: 28
      -3
      Do I understand laser or GPS guidance? And this is yesterday. In any case, the Turks are so far only in the role of catch-ups, of course not without success. But they are far from the United States or Israel on UAVs, except for one, advertising. Here they are number 1 in advertising. wink
  • farm2009
    farm2009 23 October 2020 10: 41
    -2
    Bad idea, dear and healthy, everybody gets knocked down and very fast.
    1. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan 23 October 2020 11: 20
      +3
      Something, neither in Idlibi, nor in Libya, nor in Karabakh, was quickly shot down, everywhere the UAVs made a huge contribution to the results of the battles.

      Despite the loss of some of them, they inflicted enormous damage to the enemy in equipment and people.
      1. farm2009
        farm2009 23 October 2020 12: 21
        0
        Bayraktars are much less than this, and their visibility is naturally much lower and then they are knocked down, and this mastodon will light up on all radars.
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 23 October 2020 12: 29
          +4
          Quote: farm2009
          this mastodon will light up on all radars.

          They have weapons that allow you not to enter the zone of destruction of the air defense system. We have against them guaranteed C300 / C400 extreme modifications.
          1. farm2009
            farm2009 23 October 2020 12: 30
            -1
            And the aviation? Which will detect such a healthy target from a long distance.
            1. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik 23 October 2020 12: 36
              +1
              It depends on what kind. Akinchi has a radar station with AFAR and AIM120 missiles. Generation 3-4 jet aircraft are more noticeable than composite slug. You can make traps. Bayraktar / Anka in electronic warfare performance as a decoy, the fighter is aimed at them, a pair of Akinchi launch 4 AIM120s from a large sector, the fighter is guaranteed to be hit.
              1. farm2009
                farm2009 23 October 2020 12: 51
                -1
                You have drawn conditions convenient for yourself, but it will not be so. The planes also have electronic warfare, there are AWACS planes, and planes do not fly by 1.
                1. OgnennyiKotik
                  OgnennyiKotik 23 October 2020 13: 00
                  0
                  So the Turks have more than enough AWACS aircraft and fighters, if not the largest air force they have, then definitely in the top 3 in their region.
                  Akinchi and Aksungur are full-fledged combat units, the next step is to create a jet drone with a greater combat load and capabilities. Most of the equipment will come from propeller-driven UAVs, they are already working on this, they will appear in the next 1-2 years.
                  1. farm2009
                    farm2009 23 October 2020 13: 09
                    -3
                    In short, what am I leading to. These UAVs are expensive, they are produced slowly, the visibility is high, they cannot make an anti-missile maneuver, any modern missile fired at them is considered almost 100% shooting down. They will only shoot down the path.
              2. stone
                stone 23 October 2020 17: 40
                -2
                Radar with AFAR in serial production
                Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                It depends on what kind. Akinchi has a radar station with AFAR and AIM120 missiles. Generation 3-4 jet aircraft are more noticeable than composite slug. You can make traps. Bayraktar / Anka in electronic warfare performance as a decoy, the fighter is aimed at them, a pair of Akinchi launch 4 AIM120s from a large sector, the fighter is guaranteed to be hit.

                And what kind of radar station is already being installed or in the plans. Are you sure what happened to AFAR?
                1. OgnennyiKotik
                  OgnennyiKotik 24 October 2020 02: 44
                  0
                  They don't say exactly yet. Info from the official site.
                2. stone
                  stone 24 October 2020 07: 56
                  -3
                  Well, as I thought, sheer blah .. blah .. blah. Also AIM 120 ?! Oh well laughing
      2. Andrey sh
        Andrey sh 24 October 2020 19: 13
        -1
        And there were modern air defense systems?
  • xomaNN
    xomaNN 23 October 2020 10: 52
    +3
    The use of uk..r in this UAV is alarming. aircraft engines from Zaporozhye. Such orders keep uk..r afloat. industry. What is not good for the Russian Federation and the LPR.

    And on barter, the same UAVs can be delivered to Ukraine by the "friends" of the Turks.
  • Gunther
    Gunther 23 October 2020 11: 27
    -1
    Quote: Narak-zempo
    Quote: Uncle Lee
    That Ze and the Sultan were kissing on the gums! Partners, you see. And not like ours!

    It is not entirely clear what the kakly could do there. Is that AI to code. Well then, this car is terrible, first of all, for the one who uses, and secondly, for civilians who just happened to be near laughing

    engines, the Turks may be left without Canadian engines, fall under sanctions, so they are insured.
  • mark_rod
    mark_rod 23 October 2020 13: 08
    +1
    Quote: 7,62x54
    And we were told that the Selyukov aviation industry had died, but they are also developing developments ..

    Less zomboyaschik should look. There we are ahead of the planet in all respects ...
  • Old26
    Old26 23 October 2020 13: 29
    +1
    Quote: Narak-zempo
    It is not entirely clear what the kakly could do there.

    And you can't read the article carefully? Whose motors are on this drone?
  • certero
    certero 23 October 2020 14: 55
    0
    But it’s not a pity for such a missile s-300 or even 400. Large drones are just slow-moving, very simple targets for normal air defense systems.
  • Trojan_wolf
    Trojan_wolf 23 October 2020 16: 59
    -2
    A large cabinet falls down loudly.
  • Asad
    Asad 23 October 2020 17: 03
    -2
    At this rate, in cooperation with partners, thanks to the presence of 400, they will be honored for a similar installation!
  • high
    high 23 October 2020 18: 30
    0
    It is strange that the author did not mention that Ankara acquired the UAV production technology from Israel.
    https://riafan.ru/1284415-izrail-predostavlyaet-turcii-vysokie-tekhnologii-chtoby-oslabit-sar

    By the way, today Turkey cannot produce drones because of their use in Karabakh:
    Canada has stopped selling components to Turkey .... .....
    1. Trojan_wolf
      Trojan_wolf 23 October 2020 18: 50
      0
      That's where the legs grow from, otherwise the great Ottomans! Cost the Canadians to slow down and that's it!
    2. Oquzyurd
      Oquzyurd 23 October 2020 23: 33
      -1
      "By the way, today Turkey cannot produce drones because of their use in Karabakh:
      Canada stopped selling components to Turkey. "A person who does not know the topic, and at the same time talks on the same topic, is equal to a blind man, fantasizing about his surroundings ...
  • Operator
    Operator 23 October 2020 18: 35
    -5
    Wingspan 20 meters, speed 360 km / h, height 9 km - an ideal target for air defense.
  • Alexey Bobrin
    Alexey Bobrin 23 October 2020 19: 45
    -1
    In short, there is a competition on the network among Russian experts who will best advertise Turkish UAVs))
  • senima56
    senima56 23 October 2020 19: 46
    +2
    This is a country that has never had its own aircraft industry, unlike Russia (USSR)!
    It's a shame that we have to catch up! fool
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 23 October 2020 20: 04
    +1
    The presence of AFAR significantly increases the possibilities (in particular
    it becomes possible to protect yourself in the air from other aircraft),
    but the cost of the product jumps sharply.
    Therefore, if a small medium-height striker with optics is shot down, there is little loss
    compared with its strike capabilities, then the shooting down of such a high-altitude reconnaissance
    drummer - a serious blow to the Air Force. Such UAVs cannot be mass produced.
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 23 October 2020 20: 27
      +1
      Akinchi can be used to cover the work of medium-altitude strikers and scouts. Now they do the F16. A "long arm" appeared in the form of Aselsan Miniature Bomb against medium-range air defense systems, long-range SOM strait and ships. Plus, during hot periods, the carrier of a large amount of MAM-L, his cousin Aksungur carried 12 pieces for 28 hours. In terms of carrying capacity, Akinchi can carry 40 pieces of them (really why?) And classic JDAMs. These UAVs fit their tactics, a partial replacement for the F16.
      Another point is that almost all the avionics from Akinchi and Aksungur can be transferred to the jet UAV being created, this will greatly simplify the task.
      1. Oquzyurd
        Oquzyurd 24 October 2020 20: 40
        +1
        The Baykar company announced that the radius (from ground control) of the Bayraktar TV2 flight was increased from the previous 150 km to 300 km, while at the ground station, no significant changes were made to the antennas.
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 24 October 2020 20: 49
          0
          Most likely as a result of practice. Stupidly the operators were sent to such distances. That 150 that 300 km are conditional figures, in reality it can be more and less, depending on the conditions.
          1. Oquzyurd
            Oquzyurd 24 October 2020 21: 48
            +1
            Today UAV https://haqqin.az/news/192355
          2. Oquzyurd
            Oquzyurd 24 October 2020 22: 50
            +1
            On video 0,56 sec. up to 1,16 sec. The trajectory puzzled many (?)


            1. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik 24 October 2020 22: 53
              0
              Cool. Kargu experienced?
              1. Oquzyurd
                Oquzyurd 24 October 2020 23: 10
                0
                No, it's either the MAM-L that's so agile, or it's the Kamikaze Alpagu, I think.
                1. OgnennyiKotik
                  OgnennyiKotik 24 October 2020 23: 34
                  -1
                  Too maneuverable, of course this angle can be. But definitely not Harop and its analogues. It looks more like a helicopter UAV.
              2. Oquzyurd
                Oquzyurd 26 October 2020 00: 51
                0
                You were right, the Turkish experts say it is Kargu
                1. OgnennyiKotik
                  OgnennyiKotik 26 October 2020 00: 56
                  0
                  It looks like all the latest systems are being tested there.
                  1. Oquzyurd
                    Oquzyurd 26 October 2020 01: 06
                    0
                    Most likely. Real battles cannot be compared with exercises.
    2. stone
      stone 24 October 2020 08: 02
      -1
      Yes, there is no AFAR. Only statements and plans. In general, the concept of replacing a fighter-bomber with a huge low-speed drone with bombs and BB missiles is questionable.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 24 October 2020 09: 55
        0
        Well, the conflict of the Turks with countries without aviation shows that, in combination with the KAB and ATGM, they solve issues and problems.
        1. stone
          stone 25 October 2020 08: 01
          0
          So I don't argue. I'm talking about radar with AFAR and air-to-air missiles, which was proudly announced by a comrade - an advertising agent of the Turkish military-industrial complex
  • sharp-lad
    sharp-lad 23 October 2020 20: 32
    -1
    It's time to return to service the aircraft 7 and YAK 3.
    1. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 24 October 2020 03: 25
      0
      ... and arm them with missiles
      1. sharp-lad
        sharp-lad 24 October 2020 13: 10
        0
        For a slowly flying and unhurriedly maneuvering drone, missiles will be superfluous, except for self-defense against enemy fighters. hi
        1. The eye of the crying
          The eye of the crying 24 October 2020 13: 11
          0
          The ceiling of this drone is a couple of kilometers higher than that of the proposed fighters.
          1. sharp-lad
            sharp-lad 24 October 2020 13: 14
            0
            Don't take the proposed models so seriously! smile I gave them only as an example. hi
            1. The eye of the crying
              The eye of the crying 24 October 2020 13: 18
              0
              Quote: sharp-lad
              Don't take the proposed models so seriously!


              I am not considering. But you can only discuss what is explicitly proposed. You did not offer any MiG-21, although it looks more reasonable as a drone fighter.
              1. sharp-lad
                sharp-lad 24 October 2020 13: 29
                0
                Instantly supersonic, attacking low-speed targets with cannon fire by 21 will be more than difficult, and spending missiles will be too expensive.
                But you can only discuss what is explicitly proposed.
                I just suggested the idea of ​​using a small, more or less high-speed, tuboprop, armored, armed with machine guns and small-caliber cannons, maybe a pair of airplane self-defense missiles to destroy small, slow-flying and maneuvering drones with small overloads. smile
                1. The eye of the crying
                  The eye of the crying 24 October 2020 13: 38
                  +1
                  Quote: sharp-lad
                  wasting rockets is too expensive


                  EMNIP, R-77 is several times cheaper even than Bayraktar TB-2, and Akinchi is more expensive than TB-2.

                  Quote: sharp-lad
                  I just suggested the idea of ​​using a small, more or less high-speed, tuboprop, armored, armed with machine guns and small-caliber cannons, maybe a pair of airplane self-defense missiles to destroy small, slow-flying and maneuvering drones with small overloads.


                  It is clear (except that Yak and La are piston-type). But it makes no sense to make the aircraft turboprop and "more or less high-speed" if the conventional MiG-21 is cheaper. They knew how to automatically bring it to the launch line 50 years ago, so the unmanned MiG-21, in my opinion, is an absolute hunter for drones of the Bayraktar or Reaper level. With only one hitch - the MiG-21 is no longer produced smile
                2. OgnennyiKotik
                  OgnennyiKotik 24 October 2020 13: 40
                  -1
                  We need a single-engine, jet, subsonic, massive, cheap drone. With a payload of 3-4 tons. With cheap V-V missiles, gliding bombs and all the rest of the aviation armament complex. All these Bayraktars come from the 90s, new drones are coming to replace them. It is necessary to act proactively, not to stop old threats.
                  1. Andrey sh
                    Andrey sh 24 October 2020 19: 08
                    0
                    The efficiency of the jet is not very efficient - they will not be able to fly for days.
          2. Andrey sh
            Andrey sh 24 October 2020 19: 09
            -1
            The La-7 is comparable. And this is with a pilot and in a wooden version!
            1. The eye of the crying
              The eye of the crying 24 October 2020 19: 13
              0
              Just one and a half kilometers lower. What nonsense.
  • high
    high 24 October 2020 05: 52
    0
    Quote: Oquzyurd
    A person who does not know the topic, and at the same time argues on the same topic, is equal to a blind person, fantasizing about his surroundings ...

    Read more, then you will know that not only Canada has stopped supplying components for Turkish drones, but the United States has stopped supplying communication systems for Turkish Bayraktar drones.

    https://ru.armeniasputnik.am/world/20201022/25015773/Viasat-perestal-postavlyat-sistemy-svyazi-dlya-dronov-Bayraktar---armyanskaya-obschina-San-Diego.html
    https://focus.ua/world/464529-kanada_zapretila_postavku_komplektuiushchikh_dlia_turetskikh_bpla_na_fone_obostreniia_v_karabakhe
    1. SHAH
      SHAH 24 October 2020 20: 38
      0
      So Turkey will look for a way out, or its own developments, or joint, or industrial espionage, or ...
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 24 October 2020 09: 52
    +1
    Gliding bombs will increase the enemy's air defense system losses.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 24 October 2020 09: 57
    +4
    Despite the performance characteristics of the aircraft, I will say one thing ..... The Turks have good designers and the car turned out to be beautiful. And our wonderful designers - to learn and learn.
  • Andrey sh
    Andrey sh 24 October 2020 19: 07
    -2
    Maybe it's time to take a blueprint for some kind of LA-7 and modify it a bit to an unmanned version of an interceptor fighter? Modern engine, new materials instead of wood and 6-8 points of suspension. Cheap and cheerful.
  • Bogatyrev
    Bogatyrev 24 October 2020 20: 14
    +1
    If the airspace of the battle zone is saturated with enemy UAVs, then the presence of a radar and the ability to shoot down air targets will give a huge advantage. A real quality advantage, decisive in some situations.
    The Turks are surprisingly developing military technology.
    As always, we are waiting for the pendel.
    1. Shahno
      Shahno 24 October 2020 20: 19
      +2
      It is strange that you are surprised. Even Israelis admit that it is the only military force to be reckoned with in the region. With all due respect, Iran is still strong only by religious extremism ...
  • SHAH
    SHAH 24 October 2020 20: 35
    0
    The country is developing, time is working for those who move forward.
  • aliev58
    aliev58 26 October 2020 16: 15
    0
    And Pantsir-M, will this Turkish barn fill up? And at what altitude and range?
  • lBEARl
    lBEARl 26 October 2020 19: 45
    +1
    Large dimensions - high RCS + low speed. The radar on it will be clearly worse than that of a combat aircraft. All this looks very much like a good target for air defense. Baykotar wins due to stealth. This UAV has a niche - a carrier of cruise missiles. Its purpose is to partially replace tactical aviation and reduce the risk of its losses. such as the loss of Tu 22m3 in the war 08.08.08.
  • Azimuth
    Azimuth 27 October 2020 01: 07
    0
    The role of strike UAVs is too inflated, reconnaissance ones are much more important, as an important element of modern information support for combat. Strikes are much more effective, simpler and more economical, and war is also an economy, inflicted by classical means of destruction of land, sea and air. Providing constant and reliable information in real time to subunits, even at the battalion-division level, gives a much greater gain in every sense than the sorties of a squadron of attack UAVs. There is a struggle to provide almost an individual infantryman with information, modern equipment is being developed, and somewhere it is already being adopted, but we are fixated on shock UAVs. Attack UAVs are effective weapons only against either a weak or non-systemic enemy that does not have elementary trained troops. It may be relevant to use, and even then to a limited extent, loitering ammunition to combat air defense systems and communication centers.
    The work of reconnaissance UAVs in conjunction with AWACS aircraft similar to Hawkeye and Eriay is also very effective.

    Imagine an armored battalion in a holding or staging area, at one of the deployment lines. In the presence of accurate information in real time, the battalion will be withdrawn as soon as possible by an air strike, whether by artillery, bombs or missiles with submunitions with the simplest guidance systems. It will take much more time and money to hit this target with shock UAVs.
  • Alexey Bobrin
    Alexey Bobrin 28 October 2020 10: 21
    +1
    1 shot С400 costs less than 1 Bayraktar ТB2 about 10 times, and this one is even more expensive
  • VOENOBOZ
    VOENOBOZ 28 October 2020 21: 44
    0
    What a super pilot without a pilot can do so much and so much can be hung that full-fledged aviation cannot do. And how much fuel for 24 hours, and what height should it be, so that it would not be exposed, and much more everything is in question. Gold straight unit.
  • garik77
    garik77 30 October 2020 21: 10
    0
    Very big. In a collision with a normal air defense, they will blame them like they do not.