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The wings that we gave America

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The wings that we gave America
Example: S-38, a flying boat designed by Sikorsky over New York


Of course, the leader in this matter is Igor Ivanovich Sikorsky.

The praise for the American planes on our pages has been done not so much, but enough and in all fairness.

Clever girls from the USA dragged specialists from all over the world and made them Americans. This is common knowledge. Various conflicts around the world helped a lot in this. The revolution in Russia was no exception.

The Russian emigration did not just add to the engineering fund of the United States. In fact, refugees from Russia have made a very, very worthy contribution. Not one iconic aircraft was created by our compatriots.


In principle, even we have written so much about this person that it is difficult to add something else. But Sikorsky was not a lone designer. His firm, Sikorsky Aircraft, had a staff of more than two hundred people, almost all of whom were emigrants from Russia.

The firm did not create many iconic aircraft, but the world's first serial R-4 helicopter is enough.


I mentioned another interesting person in my story about an American fighter jet. Good (in my opinion) fighter.

Remember Boris Polevoy's The Story of a Real Man? How did Alexei Meresiev show as an argument an article about Lieutenant Karpovich, who flew to the First World War on a prosthesis?

We are talking about Alexander Nikolaevich Prokofiev-Seversky.


Not a lieutenant, but a midshipman aviation Of the Baltic fleetOn July 6, 1915, while returning from a combat mission, he was blown up by his own bomb and was seriously wounded. His right leg was amputated. Nevertheless, he decided to return to the ranks and persistently learned to walk, first with crutches, and then with a prosthesis. And then he began to fly again. Participated in air battles and won.


Who was the first to fly with a prosthesis, Yuri Gilscher or Alexander Seversky, is not clear even now. The fact is that the first (and second) pilot to fly a combat aircraft with a prosthetic leg was a pilot of the Russian air fleet, is indisputable.

In addition to Polevoy's story, Prokofiev-Seversky got into literature as the hero of AI Kuprin's story "Sashka and Yashka". Pages in VS Pikul's novel "Moonzund" are dedicated to him.

Not only a pilot (and a very good one), but also an excellent organizer, before the revolution Prokofiev did a lot for the development of Russia's naval aviation in the Baltic. And then, not accepting the new regime, he left.

In the United States, Prokofiev adopted his father's artistic pseudonym, Seversky, as his surname. It was easier for Americans to pronounce than Prokofiev. And he created the Seversky Aircraft company, which also attracted many compatriots from among the emigrants.

Later, Seversky in 1939 was not quite legally removed from the management of the company and took up expert work for the benefit of the US Air Force and ended his career as a military adviser to the US government.

And the company that Seversky created was renamed into ... Republic Aviation and under this name it released the R-47 Thunderbolt aircraft, which became one of the best fighters of the Second World War and the A-10 Thunderbolt-2 attack aircraft named in his honor ", Or" Warthog "who serves in the US Air Force today.


Seversky worked in Seversky Aircraft together with another native of Tiflis, Alexander Nikolaevich Kartveli.

Kartveli became the chief designer of the Seversky Aircraft company, and after Seversky's dismissal he headed the company.


It is precisely to the work of Kartveli that "Republic" owes the appearance of such aircraft as "Thunderbolt", "Thunderstrike", "Thunderchief" and "Thunderbolt-2".


The first American helicopter was built by the Helicopter Corporation of America. The head and chief designer of the company bore the name Botezat.


Georgy Alexandrovich Botezat was from Moldavia, from an old noble family. And he also did not find his future at home.

In the United States, Botezat took up technical development. On December 18, 1922, the first helicopter flight took place under the control of Botezat himself. The device took off from the ground to a height of about 2 m and was in the air for 1 minute. 42 p. This was the first successful helicopter flight in the United States.


From December 1922 to April 1923, more than 100 test flights were performed on the Botezat helicopter. The maximum flight duration was 3 minutes. The helicopter could lift up to four people, reached a flight altitude of up to 10 m, developed a speed of up to 50 km / h, and was able to hover motionless above the ground.

Botezat also developed a new type of fan device, like an axial turbocharger, which received registration on American ships and tanks.

Konstantin Lvovich Zakharchenko.


As a very young man he came to the USA, where, while studying at the university, he founded an aircraft manufacturing company with his classmate and friend James McDonnell. Yes, the very same McDonell-Douglas afterwards.

The firm built one plane, then Zakharchenko left for China. There he built an aircraft plant and adjusted the work of the design bureau at the plant, launching the first Chinese production aircraft "Fuxing" of his design into series.


In 1943, Zakharchenko returned to the McDonell Aircraft company re-created by James, where he built helicopters. At the end of his career, Zakharchenko took up the development of a rocket weapons.

Michael Gregor, a talented aerodynamicist and designer, worked as a designer at Curtiss-Wright.


His real name is Mikhail Leontievich Grigorashvili, a talented Russian test pilot and owner of the first Russian plant for the production of propellers of his own design. By the way, during the First World War, the military department, due to the 3000 screws manufactured by Grigorashvili, did not know any problems in this regard.

Grigorashvili also built light aircraft, and even built an FDB-1 fighter in Canada. Since he was most often referred to as Michael Gregor, few people noticed that he was from Russia.

Boris Vyacheslavovich Korvin-Krukovsky.


In my opinion, the loss for Russia is comparable to the loss of Sikorsky. A military pilot, a pioneer in the introduction of radio in aviation, he lost his entire family in the crucible of the revolution.

Arriving in the USA, he took up hydrodynamics, built flying boats. 1925 Korvin-Krukovsky becomes vice-president of the EDO company, which worked in seaplane aviation. The floats of this company have been used in hundreds of models of seaplanes in more than two dozen countries (including the USSR).

But the main merit of Korvin-Krukovsky is that it was he who helped Sikorsky in the creation of the company, the selection of personnel, as they will now say, "promotion".

In general, the losses that Russia suffered in the form of emigration of aviation engineers is not easy to imagine. In the First World War, Russia even had its own aircraft industry, but it was very, very insignificant. There were no engines, all the planes built by Sikorsky, Lebedev, Gakkel and others flew exclusively on imported engines.

But there was a real design school that designed aircraft and trained personnel. And these shots left the country at one (well, not at one) moment.

Vladimir Klykov, a designer of the Douglas Aircraft firm, participates in the creation of the DC-3, which, like the Li-2, worked throughout the Great Patriotic War as the most massive transport aircraft.

Mikhail Vatter, a student of Zhukovsky himself, built a flying boat RVM Mariner for the Glen Martin company. And who can say that this was not one of the best boats of that time?

Fyodor Kalish, an employee of Consolidated, established the licensed production of Katalin in the USSR.

Janis Ackerman at Boeing designed the wings for all Fortresses.

Mikhail Strukov built transport aircraft at the Chase firm. The S-123 had no equal for a long time.

Vladimir Klykov collaborated with the firms Ercraft Development, Detroit Aircraft Corporation, Douglas, West Coast Ercraft. Made strength calculations for more than 60 aircraft models. Author of over 200 scientific publications in the field of aerostatics, hydrodynamics, strength.

Satin, Petrov, Makhonin, Kuznetsov, Nikolsky, Bensen, the Islamov brothers ... The list could go on and on.

This, unfortunately, is a fact: the number of Russian engineers who worked to create the power of the United States in the sky was in the hundreds. And these were not just immigrants who could be entrusted with a slide rule, they were cool engineers and designers.

Yes, they had to spend a lot of time “start over”, but nevertheless, they passed these stages and continued to work on the aircraft.


In our press (especially on the Internet), from time to time, there are openly provocative articles about how the "sword for Nazi Germany" was forged in the USSR. But we forged not only for Germany (if we did, I personally consider it nonsense), our former compatriots worked both in Great Britain and in France. But the USA became the main place of application of forces. What I had to regret, probably, but a little later.

And it's great, of course, that not everyone left. That there were those who were able to forge both the shield and the sword of our aviation. But losses are worth regretting and remembering.
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  1. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 20 October 2020 05: 17
    +4
    losses are worth regretting and remembering.
    Sikorsky regretted until his death that he had left his homeland ...
    1. Borik
      Borik 20 October 2020 18: 16
      12
      But not a few Russian aviation engineers remained in the USSR. And they didn’t regret not leaving for the USA but staying in Russia
      1. yehat2
        yehat2 20 October 2020 18: 26
        0
        Under Stalin, living in the USSR was sometimes difficult, there was a period and dangerous, but very interesting and everyone could find what to build for their future. Therefore, we did not regret that we stayed.
        1. Vladimir Mashkov
          Vladimir Mashkov 21 October 2020 11: 18
          -1
          Yes, Russia is generous with talents! Some even left it for various reasons. But the majority, until their deaths, yearned for Russia (whatever it was called). Why? REAL Russians (Russians), ALWAYS yearn for Russia outside Russia, wherever they are and no matter how well they are arranged! And only children, their descendants, born in a foreign land, are deprived of nostalgia for the homeland of their ancestors.
        2. astepanov
          astepanov 21 October 2020 17: 40
          +4
          Quote: yehat2
          but very interesting and everyone could find what to build for their future.

          And what do you think, what could ALL geneticists, who were let into the spray, headed by Academician Vavilov, have been able to build for their future? And have you heard anything about Academician Ipatiev, the largest Russian chemist of the 20th century? Have you read about the executed creators of "Katyusha" Kleimenov and Langemak? No, it is not customary to talk and write about them, the very memory of them was uprooted. The Queen was miraculously lucky, and twice: the first time - that they did not shoot, the second - that he was late for the steamer with convicts, which drowned. These were all people who did not need to be forced to work hard - they plowed themselves, building their country, but decided for them that they did not need to live. And thus the creation of advanced weapons, aviation, petrochemistry, and television for the country was postponed for decades ... No, I am not nostalgic for those years - although the current regime is also disgusting.
      2. the Saint
        the Saint 20 October 2020 20: 37
        -32 qualifying.
        Of course, they ducked from hunger in the Gulag or from a bullet in the back of the head from the NKVD executors with a smile and shouts "Long live the VKPB and the great Stalin."
        1. A. Privalov
          A. Privalov 21 October 2020 00: 43
          +8
          I also met even more abrupt arguments on this topic. Like, all these inmates were simply blessed with power. Instead of rolling a trolley, waving a pickaxe, felling wood, or, in general, taking a walk to the Butovo landfill, they were doing what they loved.
          Yes, these "scientists", they are knocked on their heads. Family and freedom even interfere with them. And in sharashkas, they were not distracted by either grumpy wives or snotty kids, they worked for themselves for the good of the Motherland in complete pleasure. Without problems with equipment, without searching for the right materials - everything was immediately delivered to them on demand. Here are the results, in a list, speak for themselves ...
          Well, maybe someone was a bit hurt, tormented, working with the genitals clamped in the doorway, the stump is clear, not easy, but this method, as it turned out, was very helpful in increasing labor productivity. Well, of course, there was such a time, otherwise it was impossible. For then, all the sufferers were showered with all sorts of goods - apartments, cars, summer cottages, unprecedented mortals ...
          1. My doctor
            My doctor 21 October 2020 13: 46
            -2
            Quote: A. Privalov
            , working with genitals squeezed in the doorway, the stump is clear, not easy, but this method, as it turned out, greatly contributed to the increase in labor productivity.

            What interesting thoughts. If we develop this further, then absolutely everything can be justified. If this were true, then convicts would still be in use. But that doesn't work. The engineers' scuffles mostly copied foreign designs. Do not forget, because of the economic depression, the United States traded with the USSR in technological goods, and there is no need to remind about ties with Germany before World War II.
            1. A. Privalov
              A. Privalov 21 October 2020 14: 07
              0
              Quote: MyVrach
              Quote: A. Privalov
              , working with genitals squeezed in the doorway, the stump is clear, not easy, but this method, as it turned out, greatly contributed to the increase in labor productivity.

              What interesting thoughts. If we develop this further, then absolutely everything can be justified. If this were true, then convicts would still be in use. But that doesn't work. The engineers' scuffles mostly copied foreign designs. Do not forget, because of the economic depression, the United States traded with the USSR in technological goods, and there is no need to remind about ties with Germany before World War II.

              Sharashki were in use until the death of the Best_Friend_Physician.
              But even after his death, they did not disappear without a trace, but turned into "mailboxes" and separate cities - with an even stricter secrecy regime. In some of them, yesterday's prisoners continued to work as civilian specialists: some were kept under a nondisclosure agreement, others by scientific perspectives.
          2. astepanov
            astepanov 21 October 2020 17: 42
            +1
            Quote: A. Privalov
            For then, all the sufferers were showered with all kinds of benefits

            True, often posthumously - but this, as grit, costs and trifles.
        2. blackice
          blackice 21 October 2020 05: 36
          -6
          In any topic, you just shit.
          Can't you do anything else?
      3. KERMET
        KERMET 20 October 2020 21: 52
        0
        By the way, Sikorsky offered Polikarpov to run together, but he refused
        1. sh3roman
          sh3roman 22 October 2020 13: 10
          +1
          Kalinin, in my opinion, also advised, he either could not, or refused, as a result was shot, in 1938.
      4. Terrible GMO
        Terrible GMO 21 October 2020 03: 28
        +5
        Quote: Borik
        But not a few Russian aviation engineers remained in the USSR. And they didn’t regret not leaving for the USA but staying in Russia

        And many of them ended their lives in the dungeons of the NKVD and camps. As "enemies of the people". Like many pundits before and after them.
      5. Yuri Nemov
        Yuri Nemov 21 October 2020 10: 45
        +6
        Well, yes, Korolev and Tupolev were sent to the camps under Stalin, what is there to be sorry about? Almost all of the 200 members of the RAS were repressed in one way or another. Stalin supported Soviet science with "paternal concern."
      6. Igor Semenov
        Igor Semenov 21 October 2020 14: 13
        -1
        So they confessed their thoughts.
      7. astepanov
        astepanov 21 October 2020 15: 49
        +8
        Quote: Borik
        And they didn’t regret not leaving for the USA but staying in Russia

        And many more engineers remained in Russia - in unknown graves. Has anyone heard of Academician Ipatiev? According to chemists, Russia has provided three great chemists - Lomonosov, Mendeleev and Ipatiev - and nothing is known about the latter in wide circles. And I did not know anything about him, except that I read when I was in the seventies at the university, that there is such a reaction - Ipatieva.
        Before and after the revolution, he created the explosives industry in Russia, the production of benzene, toluene, discovered catalytic cracking and much more. He founded many chemical institutes and universities. But when, in the thirties, his students and staff began to be shot and imprisoned, he left for Germany for treatment. When Hitler came to power, he moved to the United States. There he discovered methods for obtaining high-octane fuels and technologies for increasing the yield of gasoline from oil. The first allowed British aircraft to have a speed advantage over German ones - and Britain got off easy in the war. The second allowed the Americans to export fuel to the USSR under Lend-Lease.
        Ipatiev was a member of many academies, published more than 200 patents, and until the end of his days ask to be allowed to return to his homeland. They say that a deep old man cried in front of Gromyko. But they were not allowed, they were not even allowed to bury them in their homeland, and even the name itself was deleted from history. For what? For not going under Stalin's butt?
        And what about the fate of another chemist, Udris, who was imprisoned for allegedly wanting to blow up the leader of the peoples? Udris developed the technology for the production of phenol and acetone, necessary for the production of plastics and explosives. Having got to the sharashka, he worked at an enterprise that he himself created - a simple apparatus operator. The explosion was left without an eye. Ironically, he hanged himself just on the day when the decree on his rehabilitation and awarding a state prize was issued - and never found out about it.
        People like Sikorsiy are lucky. They managed to realize themselves, albeit in a foreign land. And in the USSR, geneticists were massacred, a lot of missilemen were wiped out ... However, it is not customary to talk about this again: they say, there were "some excesses" and "mistakes on the ground." But this cost us, in the end, technological and scientific lagging behind and chronic fear of the party power.
        I will probably write an article about Ipatiev. The military power of Russia largely stems from his writings. And I will write about Udris.
      8. sh3roman
        sh3roman 22 October 2020 13: 06
        0
        Kalinin and Grokhovsky did not "regret" !!!!!! that they were shot. The latter was shot at 43, when every engineer was worth its weight in gold.
    2. Machito
      Machito 20 October 2020 18: 18
      +4
      The Russian land is still not depleted in talent, unlike the United States, which buys brains all over the world. I would like our leadership to better feed our "brains" than someone's raking hands.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 20 October 2020 18: 59
        -3
        Quote: Bearded
        The Russian land has not become scarce in talents even now

        The Russian land, it is like a Russian stove, gives the spirit to bread, so does the earth to man.
      2. the Saint
        the Saint 20 October 2020 20: 39
        -15 qualifying.
        Quote: Bearded
        I wish our leadership better feed our "brains"

        Is it really better than the Russian Guard and the army, on whose bayonets and clubs our permanent leadership has been resting for more than 20 years?
        1. dmmyak40
          dmmyak40 20 October 2020 22: 41
          +4
          I see you wrote a message right from the cell with a bayonet in your back and a club between your legs in between the bloody tortures of Gabney?
          Go away, Uncle Klaus. Where do other Santas live ...
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            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 20 October 2020 22: 56
              +2
              Quote: el Santo
              mental development, erudition, "education" and ingenuity, I surpass you by a head

              Creative class?
              1. the Saint
                the Saint 20 October 2020 22: 57
                -14 qualifying.
                10 years since I have not worked, but I earn
                1. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 20 October 2020 22: 58
                  +1
                  Quote: el Santo
                  10 years since I have not worked, but I earn

                  I don’t work, but I earn money - how’s it?
                  1. the Saint
                    the Saint 20 October 2020 23: 01
                    -12 qualifying.
                    Formed assets during the period of active labor activity)
                    Now I use and develop them - I cut coupons, in general.
                    1. Ka-52
                      Ka-52 21 October 2020 10: 15
                      +3
                      Formed assets during the period of active labor activity)
                      Now I use and develop them - I cut coupons, in general.

                      judging by the description, he distributes coupons and flyers near the metro.
                  2. VORON538
                    VORON538 21 October 2020 01: 13
                    -3
                    He doesn't seem to work as a troll on Russian sites and gives money :)))
            2. Fitter65
              Fitter65 21 October 2020 00: 14
              +4
              Quote: el Santo
              I tell you, soldier, not a "fighter", not a "warrior", not a "lower rank", so that every collective farm ... with dirt under her nails poked me.
              In mental development, erudition, "education" and intelligence, I surpass you head and shoulders, what you noticed and what makes you nervous.

              Oh, the next southern part of the horse, going south, appeared. Judging by what was written, with all its education, it remained a portion of oats that passed through the digestive tract of the same horse.
              1. the Saint
                the Saint 21 October 2020 00: 15
                -14 qualifying.
                I always admired the famous barracks humor, but this time it turned out too intricate. I bet "bad".
                And I wait in response to a stupid and meaningless "alaverdi", of course.
                1. Fitter65
                  Fitter65 21 October 2020 11: 35
                  +3
                  Quote: el Santo
                  I bet "bad".

                  And the qualifications and level of knowledge allow you to evaluate other people? I would like to remind you that having a diploma is not an indicator of intelligence.
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            4. dmmyak40
              dmmyak40 21 October 2020 13: 38
              +2
              Oh, you, Grandpa Klaus! You are a primitive creature. It's like a carpenter versus a carpenter ... To call a veteran Aeroflot a soldier. They teach you badly, badly. I won't repeat about the materiel, but something needs to be done with it.
              And about the collective farm and the dirt under the nails I sincerely laugh! Thank you very much! There are not so many reasons in life now to smile.
              Bukhty me, ignoramus, an engineer-pilot, an instructor pilot with experience and honors from the Leningrad Academy of Civil Aviation of the times of the USSR about my superiority, and I will listen ...
              1. the Saint
                the Saint 21 October 2020 14: 57
                -4
                Was it taught at the Leningrad Academy to poke and be rude, to send strangers for a comment that did not come to your taste?
                I myself am a native of Leningrad, but I behave in this way only in response to such a provocation.
                And the limits from the collective farms with "dirt under the nails", peeling "seeds" and picking the nose, and then studied at the universities of the city abound. Now those who remained in the city and their offspring proudly call themselves "Petersburgers". Surely, some may present with honors.
                1. dmmyak40
                  dmmyak40 21 October 2020 16: 37
                  -1
                  No, the Academy taught something different: talk to everyone in his language. Here I am with you in your language and I am conducting a conversation.
                  Oh, Leningrader! A son / daughter / wife of an officer / sailor affected by the regime? The army offended you? With what? Tanks on the Champ de Mars smeared the opposition rally?
                  I am not from a collective farm, but from a state farm, not even from the central estate. Is it confusing to you? Me - no.
                  Yes, yes, the limit. She has gotten you all, native Leningraders and Muscovites ... "We, the old cultural figures ..." It's good that there were no such Santa Claus among my fellow listeners.
                  Be healthy, smoking room!
                  1. the Saint
                    the Saint 21 October 2020 16: 44
                    -3
                    Well, I guessed again .. That is, I did not guess, but guessed.
                    Eck you got mad at the native Leningraders who taught and fed you in school. Like that ungrateful dog biting her feeding hand.
                    1. dmmyak40
                      dmmyak40 21 October 2020 16: 49
                      -1
                      You are a native Leningrader like a "sieve from a dog's tail": you yourself, read what you write. Thank God, I have been taught all my life by real People, and not the same "Santa Claus".
                      Continue pouring slop on Russia and its people: you see, not only will there be enough milk.
                      1. the Saint
                        the Saint 21 October 2020 17: 41
                        -2
                        Those who have revised the duroscope are characterized by intolerance towards objective views and constructive criticism.
                        Well, yes, I'm not a Muscovite, unfortunately, and I'm not a collective farmer - not everyone is so lucky in life.
      3. RealPilot
        RealPilot 20 October 2020 21: 15
        10
        Yes, excellent specialists have left.

        However, it is difficult to predict the disclosure of talent in other conditions from where it happened. That is, those who left could simply remain unknown and mediocre, or they could show themselves even better at home! History does not know the subjunctive mood request

        And yes, we must create better conditions for our personnel! I, as a teacher at the Moscow State Technical University. Bauman, I see a lot of talented youth. Some say they want to leave, while others are staunch patriots. This is fate, I am loyal to everyone.
        I try to teach well good
        And I hope that industrial and educational policy will change for the better! We, in general, have no other way ...
        1. yuratanja1950
          yuratanja1950 20 October 2020 21: 35
          -2
          Quote: RealPilot
          those who left could simply remain unknown and mediocre, or they could show themselves even better at home!


          The whole problem is that somehow one of the main reasons for the departure of the same Igor Sikorsky is somehow bypassed ... At Trotsky's suggestion, a certain company went about the uselessness of aviation, they began to cut and break Sikorsky's heavy aircraft ... I'm afraid to be mistaken, but it seems , some indirect (if not the most direct) participation was also Tukhachevsky ...
          So ... it's not that simple ... hi
          1. A. Privalov
            A. Privalov 21 October 2020 00: 17
            11
            Quote: yuratanja1950
            The whole problem is that somehow one of the main reasons for the departure of the same Igor Sikorsky is somehow bypassed ... At Trotsky's suggestion, a certain company went about the uselessness of aviation, they began to cut and break Sikorsky's heavy aircraft ... I'm afraid to be mistaken, but it seems , some indirect (if not the most direct) participation was also Tukhachevsky ...
            So ... it's not that simple ...

            Sikorsky left on February 18, 1918. Trotsky had no time for him, and Tukhachevsky was still nothing. hi
          2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 21 October 2020 13: 34
            0
            ... At the suggestion of Trotsky, a certain company went about the uselessness of aviation, they began to cut and break Sikorsky's heavy aircraft ... I'm afraid to be mistaken, but it seems that some indirect (if not the most direct) participation in this and Tukhachevsky

            Yeah ...
            I'm afraid to be mistaken, but is it not in this alternative reality of yours that Trotsky was cut with a chainsaw in the brothel of Cartagena?
        2. dauria
          dauria 21 October 2020 14: 13
          +1
          Some say they want to leave, while others are staunch patriots. This is fate, I am loyal to everyone


          Left and left. I do not blame, but for me they no longer belong to Russia. Americans. We left from devastation, hunger, unemployment. Created by the way, not by the Bolsheviks, but by the tsar, who got into the war and his lovely courtiers, who threw him off in February and brought the country to complete collapse for eight months.
          They also fled from Germany during such periods. And after the first and after the second war. In the same USA, and voluntarily under contracts. They were taken to us as prisoners voluntarily and compulsorily. The choice of a person. Kurt Tank and Willie Messerschmitt did not want to become Americans. One worked for the Hindus, the other for the Egyptians. But they remained Germans.
      4. gvozdan
        gvozdan 20 October 2020 22: 18
        -4
        Brains from a fair feeding grow fat, and only the need for invention is cunning.
      5. YOUR
        YOUR 21 October 2020 02: 40
        +2
        In general, it is terrible when people with knowledge and skills do not find application for themselves in the country and leave abroad, giving other countries the opportunity to take a leading position in science and industry ...
    3. Alt 22
      Alt 22 20 October 2020 18: 52
      -2
      By the way, I wrote a letter to Stalin with a request to be allowed to return.
    4. Civil
      Civil 20 October 2020 19: 30
      -8
      They hid in the decaying West, they worked for us, the guys from the NKVD knew their business.
      1. the Saint
        the Saint 20 October 2020 23: 53
        -7
        Vasily Mikhailovich Blokhin (January 7, 1895 - February 3, 1955) - worker of the Soviet state security organs, major general (1945). One of the most famous direct executors of death sentences during the period of mass repressions.
        According to various estimates, over the years of service, Vasily Blokhin personally shot from 10 to 15 thousand people. At the same time, he participated in the loudest executions. It was he personally who executed Tukhachevsky, Yezhov, Frinovsky, Koltsov, Babel, Meyerhold. He also led the mass execution of interneed Polish officers near Tver in Katyn.
        Vasily Blokhin headed the firing squad of the OGPU under the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR back in 1924. It was then that his signature first appeared under the acts of executions. The last execution he made on March 2, 1953 - three days before Stalin's death.
        1. your1970
          your1970 25 October 2020 00: 52
          -1
          In theory, one could believe ... But there is a nuance - the generals do not shoot themselves ... Except in special cases ...
          But such cases obviously won't be 15 thousand ...
          So - "Nonsense ..." (C) NM
          1. the Saint
            the Saint 25 October 2020 13: 06
            0
            Quote: your1970
            generals do not shoot themselves ..

            the logic of a typical representative of the "army community" winked
            First, generals are not born. Secondly, the person simply liked the execution process itself, and who would forbid the general to shoot personally - Generalissimo Stalin?
            1. Oleg Bykov
              Oleg Bykov 27 October 2020 13: 13
              0
              "It was then that his signature first appeared under the acts of execution." - signature as a direct executor?
              1. the Saint
                the Saint 27 October 2020 15: 13
                0
                Who knows? Who will prohibit signing the deed of execution after handwritten execution for the sake of pleasure?
                Vasily Mikhailovich Blokhin personally shot, according to one source, 15 thousand people, but it is believed that on his conscience up to 50 thousand human lives. He killed Tukhachevsky, Yakir, Uborevich, Kosior and other prominent figures of that time. Unlike his colleagues in the deadly craft, he lived to old age and did not lose his mind. During the executions, he always observed safety precautions, did not drink alcohol and put on a leather apron and gloves so as not to stain his clothes with blood.
                Blokhin tuned in to the executions: he read books about horses and drank not vodka before executions, like his craft colleagues, but several cups of strong tea. In Katyn, he killed 700 people.

                Peter Ivanovich Maggo has killed more than 10 thousand people for many years of participation in executions. He began serving in a punitive detachment, after which he became the head of the internal prison of the Cheka, and later - the commandant of the Lubyanka. According to the recollections of colleagues, Maggo liked to kill. The executioner considered execution to be a special art and loved to share his experience.

                Nadaraya Sardion Nikolayevich worked as the head of the internal prison of the NKVD of the Georgian SSR, and later became the head of the personal security of Lavrenty Beria. On his account, up to 10 thousand people were shot.

                The brothers and executioners Vasily and Ivan Shigalevs were distinguished by their responsibility and diligence. For their almost 20 years of firing squad service, the brothers received many awards, including military ones, although they have never been to the front.

                In his youth, Latvian Ernst Ansovich Mach tended cattle, but the revolution helped him become a prison warden, and later - an employee of the NKVD. For 26 years, Mach participated in the executions of prisoners. It is not known exactly how many people he killed over the years, but it is clear that the count goes to thousands. Mach was dismissed from the service due to a mental disorder provoked by "nervous" work.
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    6. the Saint
      the Saint 20 October 2020 20: 33
      -17 qualifying.
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      Sikorsky regretted until his death that he had left his homeland ...

      and cried daily, praying for a portrait of Stalin. And the Italian aristocrat Bartini at the same time danced a tarantella in the USSR, exuberantly rejoicing in his happiness with luck and spitting on various polycarp, tupolev, and petlyakovs, creating airplanes behind a thorn.
      1. Storm Uesugi
        Storm Uesugi 25 October 2020 05: 28
        0
        well, a foreign specialist in the ussr would not be shot
        1. the Saint
          the Saint 25 October 2020 13: 02
          0
          I was wrong about the Red Baron, aristocrat and $ millionaire Bartini, who was also arrested. Former Italian Baron accused of spying for Mussoliniwinked
          And the Soviet authorities also continued to use Bartini after his arrest in 1938. He was also kept in the so-called "sharashka" - a closed prison design bureau.
          The rocket engineer Sergei Korolev, the creator of the rocket and space system, calls him his teacher.
    7. Igor Semenov
      Igor Semenov 21 October 2020 14: 11
      -1
      but did not dare to return laughing
  2. Alien From
    Alien From 20 October 2020 18: 17
    +2
    The novel surprised me. Thank you, informative.
  3. lelik613
    lelik613 20 October 2020 18: 18
    +1
    ... Petka. But there is a nuance ... (c) You yourself know who
  4. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 20 October 2020 18: 23
    15
    A list worthy to bow your head in respect. But I don't understand the position of the author:
    Clever girls from the USA dragged specialists from all over the world and made them Americans.
    These (and not only) talented people, again, correctly said not only from Russia, were pulled to America on the lasso? Seduced by some exorbitant amounts? Did you promise political or economic preferences?
    No! They were simply given the opportunity to create what they wanted, what they decided to invest their lives, their last savings, mind ...
    Our talents, who made their way from the lower classes, were forced to serve time in sharazh, then exist in communal apartments, eat special rations and ... be afraid, afraid, afraid! For myself, for my family, for every word.
    And, after all, not everyone lived to see their release from the SKB ...
    So the overseas country simply gave scope to talent. And people sailed there on steamers to make the Russian dream come true in the American manner.
    1. paul3390
      paul3390 20 October 2020 18: 42
      -7
      Our talents, who made their way from the lower classes, were forced to serve time in sharazh, then exist in communal apartments, eat special rations and ... be afraid, afraid, afraid! For myself, for my family, for every word.

      Well, yes, apparently out of fear and hunger, they were the first to fly into space, reached parity with the West in all directions, built advanced aircraft, tanks, cars, rockets, nuclear power plants, etc., etc. After all, Soviet people are capable of this only from a terrible alteration ..
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 20 October 2020 19: 00
        +7
        Study the biography and memoirs of the same S.P.Korolev! And then try to build irony.
        1. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 20 October 2020 19: 43
          +3
          Sergei Pavlovich had to act more carefully. Do not take on failed projects, so that later you do not get a deadline for the denunciation of your colleagues. And he himself wrote several "signals", to put it mildly. On colleagues. Five of his "signals" were published about a month ago, but Kostikov turned out to be more successful. But Glushko - no, and his relationship with Korolev soured forever.
          1. The leader of the Redskins
            The leader of the Redskins 20 October 2020 20: 05
            +6
            And paul ... He believes that Sikorsky's contemporaries worked as in paradise. His commentary is an example of one-sided knowledge of history or mono perception of it.
          2. Avior
            Avior 20 October 2020 21: 27
            +3
            What are the 5 signals?
            Can you drop the link, what are the signals and where are they published?
            1. Aviator_
              Aviator_ 20 October 2020 21: 49
              +2
              There was a note on Zen. Sorry, I didn't save the link. Naturally, this is still that dump, but the very fact of the disgusting relationship between Glushko and Korolev is known. He wrote (Korolev) to Kostikov and to someone else. The time of writing - from the beginning of the 30s, even under Tukhachevsky, and up to 37. In Khrushchev's time, Sergei Pavlovich was canonized, so he became ideal, already disgusting.
              1. the Saint
                the Saint 20 October 2020 22: 12
                -1
                Quote: Avior
                There was a note on Zen.

                And some of his fellow travelers, a captured fascist from Germany, was not mentioned in that article?
                Helmut Gröttrup (German Helmut Gröttrup; February 12, 1916, Cologne - July 4, 1981, Munich) - German rocket engineer, specialist in control systems, deputy Dr. Steinhof (head of the ballistic and guided missile control group in Peenemünde). He headed a group of German rocket specialists, exported in 1946 from Germany to Gorodomlya Island on Lake Seliger.
                1. Aviator_
                  Aviator_ 20 October 2020 23: 22
                  +1
                  In principle, Grettrup was not mentioned, since it was about the 30s. Here Kostikov was and Glushko was.
                  1. the Saint
                    the Saint 20 October 2020 23: 27
                    -3
                    I agree. A fascist on the Russian rocket horizon later appeared, simultaneously with von Braun overseas.
                    But Comrade Stalin also did not doze in the 30s and early 40s, putting things in order in the future missile forces and shooting in time whoever needed, like Langemak, far-sightedly anticipating the German threat.
              2. Avior
                Avior 20 October 2020 22: 14
                +9
                I read quite a lot of dirt on Korolyov in the style that he was stealing money and the like, as upon close examination, all this turned out to be a lie or, in principle, unverifiable statements.
                Therefore, I am very skeptical that information that no one knows could have surfaced somewhere on Zen.
                As for the conflict between Glushko and Korolyov, both were not honey in character, domineering and ambitious, but it had nothing to do with that particular case, just found a scythe on a stone.
                1. Aviator_
                  Aviator_ 20 October 2020 23: 19
                  0
                  but it had nothing to do with that particular case

                  Unfortunately, it did. He, of course, did not steal money, this is nonsense, he, obsessed with his idea, could well allow both overspending and misuse (which he was later recalled). But the attitude in this creative environment was different. Like the gunsmiths at the same time, Shirokorad wrote that Nudelman got the design bureau of Taubin, who had sat down on the denunciation of his colleagues, at his disposal (I'm not very sure what exactly it was), after which Nudelman's career went uphill. And as for the relationship between Korolev and Glushko, how could these two constructors compete if they were engaged in, in principle, different objects? This is not Ilyushin and Tupolev, and not Kamov and Mil.
                  1. Avior
                    Avior 20 October 2020 23: 39
                    +4
                    As much as they could.
                    The conflict between them in an acute form, for example, arose from a technical issue about management, as they say.
                    Glushko considered gas-dynamic rudders to be promising, and Korolev was a deflected thrust vector.
                    It got to the point that the kings independently developed a non-core issue for themselves.
                    Two people with ambition will always find a reason for conflict.
                    I personally saw more than once how two professors, doctors of sciences at each other, except perhaps with their fists, did not rush when arguing over a matter that was trivial from my point of view.
                    Moreover, in life both were intelligent, decent people.
                    But both with ambition. Therefore, I am not surprised by the conflicts in this environment.
                    As for the Queen, I had a dispute on this topic with one of the participants.
                    So, about money issues, they are not in the first sentence, which was canceled, or in the second.
                    So, he was not imprisoned for this, but the fact that this was not included in the verdict, suggests that if there were violations, they were so insignificant that the investigators, who clearly had an orientation to imprison, did not catch on to them.
                    1. Aviator_
                      Aviator_ 20 October 2020 23: 53
                      -1
                      As far as I know, gas rudders are barbaric, to poke graphite rotary planes into a jet stream, as von Braun did on his A-4. But it was necessary quickly, it did not work out otherwise. Then, naturally, this decision was abandoned. The main question is the choice of fuel - fluorides or cryogenic fuel, here they strongly argued with each other, but this was only an excuse. The basis of hostility is the end of the 30s. There first sat Korolev, and then Glushko. And Kostikov was declared the genius creator of the M-13 MLRS. And I know firsthand about relations in applied science.
                      1. Avior
                        Avior 21 October 2020 07: 23
                        +3
                        About Kostikov's "signals" is well known, but about Korolyov I heard for the first time, so I asked you, it surprised me.
                        hi
                      2. Aviator_
                        Aviator_ 21 October 2020 08: 05
                        -1
                        I myself was surprised to learn about them, probably more sources will emerge, it will be necessary to fix them.
                      3. Igor Semenov
                        Igor Semenov 21 October 2020 17: 01
                        0
                        In garbage dumps like Zen, they will surely surface, do not hesitate
                      4. Aviator_
                        Aviator_ 21 October 2020 19: 02
                        0
                        In trash heaps like Zen

                        I wrote that this is a trash heap. Yes, and the entire Internet is a trash heap, but sometimes you can find information there - there is no other source. Only a critical analysis saves from rotten information. And a number of canonized personalities also cause a critical attitude towards them even without Internet with Zen.
  • Storm Uesugi
    Storm Uesugi 25 October 2020 05: 29
    0
    but the machines did not learn to do this)
  • Alesi13
    Alesi13 20 October 2020 19: 03
    0
    Here are the clever ones
  • Valdaev
    Valdaev 20 October 2020 18: 23
    +1
    I would call the article "Wings that the Bolsheviks profuse"
    1. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
      tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 20 October 2020 19: 12
      -4
      NOT Bolsheviks - but Russia ...
      1. the Saint
        the Saint 20 October 2020 22: 13
        -3
        NOT Russia - but the USSR
  • Gato
    Gato 20 October 2020 18: 34
    +8
    And it's great, of course, that not everyone left. That there were those who were able to forge both the shield and the sword of our aviation. But losses are worth regretting and remembering.

    I agree 100%. And those who left for the 90s are also worth regretting and remembering. Or not?
    1. faiver
      faiver 20 October 2020 21: 06
      -1
      Quote: Gato
      Or not
    2. the Saint
      the Saint 20 October 2020 22: 15
      -5
      No! Curse and forget. Their Nobel Prizes, received over the hill, are only humiliating to us.
    3. smihko
      smihko 21 October 2020 04: 47
      +1
      We must remember and not allow this anymore
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 20 October 2020 18: 46
    +4
    Those losses are old, this is history. But we must regret those who are leaving their homeland now.
  • BAI
    BAI 20 October 2020 18: 48
    12
    They left, they are leaving and will be leaving. Like it or not, the United States has created a better system for promoting talent than the USSR (RF).
    I can throw one more topic to the author: the United States jumped forward on rockets with solid propellants when our solid propellant developer left for them. The USSR was guided by liquid fuel and rockets with solid rocket fuel were not in demand. And then I had to catch up. Do not ask the last name, I do not remember, 30 years have passed since I found out, and the event itself happened much earlier.
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 20 October 2020 18: 55
    +1
    "Backward" pre-revolutionary Russia. I never said that there were no problems in it, there were and there were many of them, but it was not a third world country either.
    1. the Saint
      the Saint 20 October 2020 22: 17
      -3
      Quote: Dart2027
      but it was not a third world country either.

      I'm embarrassed to ask, but what kind of 3rd world existed during the tsarist regime or the Mongol-Tatar yoke?
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 20 October 2020 22: 55
        -2
        Quote: el Santo
        but what kind of 3rd world existed during tsarism or

        I'm embarrassed to ask, why don't you write in accordance with the language norms adopted during the tsarist era?
        1. the Saint
          the Saint 20 October 2020 23: 11
          0
          I didn't exist then, but do you remember those times well?
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 21 October 2020 06: 30
            -2
            Quote: el Santo
            do you remember those times well

            Well, you don't understand why I use modern language phrases when talking about those times, so I'm asking.
            1. the Saint
              the Saint 21 October 2020 11: 25
              +2
              Using the already outdated language about the "third world" and the place of Russia before the revolution, you are not entirely right. The West attributed Russia, rather, to the colonial rather than to the industrial countries.

              Western scientists and politicians without illusions assessed the results of the capitalization of Russia at the end and beginning of the century. Of the many works, it is extremely rare to come across those in which enthusiastic judgments about the state of the Russian economy at that time were given. Thus, Michael Court writes: “Despite progress in the past thirty years, Russia was still a largely agrarian peasant country in 1892. Its rivals in Western Europe, on the contrary, were modern industrial powers, and although Russia was politically independent, its economic relations with Western Europe were of the classical colonial type. Russia served Europe as a market for industrial goods and a source of raw materials "He also cites a reference to Witte, who warned: the strengthening of foreign ownership in the Russian economy" may gradually pave the way for powerful political penetration by foreign powers ". In other words, "Russia could easily have become another India or China - colonized and dismembered by the industrial West."

              It was along this path that Russia followed, but did not reach it only thanks to the Bolshevik revolution.

              And here is how Palmer and Colton assess Russia from a geostrategic standpoint, drawing attention to its "duality". They write: "From the time of Peter the Great and earlier, it has always been directed to both Europe and Asia. It was European, and at the same time outside Europe, and even against it. And if around 1900 it was the least developed country among major European powers, at the same time it was the most industrial and developed part of the non-European world. "
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 21 October 2020 13: 22
                0
                Quote: el Santo
                The West attributed Russia, rather, to the colonial rather than to the industrial countries.

                Actually, I meant those who are now saying that RI was so backward that there is nowhere else to go.
                Quote: el Santo
                It was along this path that Russia followed, but did not reach it only thanks to the Bolshevik revolution.

                Don't. Russia gradually carried out industrialization, without shock jerks, but at a lower cost, and if we take into account the general devastation after the Civil War and the complete breakdown of the entire state system, Churchill's phrase about the plow and the bomb begins to look a little different.
                1. Squelcher
                  Squelcher 21 October 2020 15: 03
                  -1
                  Years of sour propaganda and cranberries are doing their job, so it is not surprising that the current adherents of communism are shedding dirt on the history of the Russian Empire with pleasure and maniac tenacity. At the same time, they are greatly offended when historical facts do not fight with their "exceptionally correct" vision of history.
                  1. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 21 October 2020 17: 17
                    0
                    Quote: Squelcher
                    so it is not surprising that the current adherents of communism are pouring dirt on the history of the Russian Empire with pleasure and maniac tenacity

                    Unfortunately. The funny thing is that by doing this they only provoke a response in relation to the USSR, in the history of which you can also find many controversial points.
  • Undecim
    Undecim 20 October 2020 18: 57
    13
    The author can safely begin the cycle "Our gifts ...". There will be a place for the articles "Ships that we donated", "Television that we donated", "Motorcycles that we donated", "Archeology that we donated", "Geology that we donated" and much more.
    Moreover, as the countries that received gifts, there will be at least two dozen countries.
    Moreover, this process began by no means in 1917, and not several centuries earlier.
    Another attempt by Tsar Boris Godunov to train a group of eighteen young Russians in leading European educational institutions ended with a "gift." Because of the turbulent internal events, the students were forgotten for a while, and when they did, attempts to find and return to their homeland "young specialists"
    stov "were unsuccessful.
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 20 October 2020 19: 04
      +8
      "Literature that we donated"
      I burst into tears crying
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 20 October 2020 19: 38
        +5
        “I protest, Dostoevsky is immortal” (c).
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 20 October 2020 19: 49
          +4
          Guberman, even more so.
    2. Old partisan
      Old partisan 20 October 2020 19: 29
      +2
      And a separate line should be - Plutonium accumulated by the country which we donated (thanks to Adamovich and
      Yeltsin).
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 20 October 2020 19: 46
        +7
        Quote: Old Partisan
        And a separate line should be - Plutonium accumulated by the country which we donated (thanks to Adamovich and
        Yeltsin).

        You are confusing something.
        The agreement on the disposal of weapons-grade plutonium was signed under Putin. And it provided for the disposal of 34 tons of weapons-grade plutonium (25 tons in the form of metal and 9 tons in the form of dioxide powder). For the Russian Federation, disposal was to be carried out by using plutonium as MOX fuel with subsequent combustion in the BN-600 and BN-800 fast reactors at the Beloyarsk NPP. That is, they did not give anything to anyone - weapons-grade plutonium was used domestically.

        And we "donated" diluted weapons-grade uranium - the HEU-LEU agreement (Gor-Chernomyrdin). More precisely, they were not fried, but sold in the USA at a price lower than the same product made in USA. Than actually inflicted a nuclear strike on the enrichment unit of the US nuclear industry. The fact is that American "effective managers", in pursuit of profits and dividends, naturally bet on cheap Russian uranium, leaving their industry with practically no orders (our uranium was not enough for the entire market). As a result, the US enrichment plants were forced to abandon the planned reconstruction (switching to centrifuges) and sharply reduce their output. So what at first glance seemed to be a betrayal in the long run turned out to be cunning plan to strangle competitors. smile
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 20 October 2020 20: 08
          +3
          Hmmm. Interesting deal. Thanks, I didn't know!
        2. Nikolai Korovin
          Nikolai Korovin 20 October 2020 22: 41
          0
          So they still use diffusion technology? As the unforgettable O. Bender used to say, "The cabman is a carriage of the past, you can't go far in it. Besides, there live small mice in the lining." I remember that in a book published in the United States in 1948 entitled "When Russia Will Have an Atomic Bomb," the answer was - not earlier than 1956, but most likely - never. Why? Because in Russia the automotive and watch industries, in particular, are underdeveloped. Clever guys ... "What do you want, boy? - Shillin. - And what else? - Another shillin. - What an unusually developed child you have, Mrs. Smith!"
    3. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 21 October 2020 08: 35
      +1
      interesting, but about the "gift" in the person of Alfred Rosenberg will be in this cycle?
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 21 October 2020 09: 05
        +4
        This will be another cycle - "Their gifts".
        True, the turbopatriots will be against it.
    4. Igor Semenov
      Igor Semenov 21 October 2020 17: 05
      0
      and you get the cycle "The Polymers We Lost". (((Sadly, but it is
    5. sh3roman
      sh3roman 22 October 2020 13: 23
      0
      Even earlier, under Ivan the Terrible, several people were sent to study in London, in the end, all remained in the "decaying west"
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 22 October 2020 13: 31
        +2
        Under Boris Godunov.
        1. sh3roman
          sh3roman 7 November 2020 19: 42
          0
          No, even earlier, it was under Ivan 4
  • Constanty
    Constanty 20 October 2020 19: 05
    +2
    While the choice of Sikorski, who, although he came from the Polish farming nobility, but felt like Russian !, no wonder, Kartveli, being a Georgian, surprises here - he was born and lived in the Russian Empire, but on this basis, most of the Polish aircraft manufacturers could be united here. , also born before the First World War, formally on the territory of the Russian state.

    Surprisingly, the absence of Vladimir Nikolaevich Ipatiev, whose contribution to the development of aviation (although he was a chemist) cannot be overestimated !!!
  • xomaNN
    xomaNN 20 October 2020 19: 15
    +2
    The fact is, the United States is like a vacuum cleaner pulling in talents from all over the world. It is not harmful for Russia to adopt such tactics.
    Now IT specialists of Belarus are fleeing from Belarus ... They are fleeing to the Baltic States, Ukraine. They are glad to receive them there. Why not lure them to the Russian Federation?
    1. Alf
      Alf 20 October 2020 22: 30
      +8
      Quote: xomaNN
      Why not lure them to the Russian Federation?

      How to lure? Big salaries? Free apartment? Working in this disgrace-skolkovo? The government does not want to feed its own people, and even more to lure others.
      1. Squelcher
        Squelcher 21 October 2020 15: 08
        -2
        The power of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation supports and sponsors with the people's money, the people do not want to voluntarily feed the parasites.
        A year ago he crossed paths with an atishnik, on a family vacation in Thailand, judging by his communication, he did not complain about his salary. Now a professional who performs his work efficiently and quickly is highly appreciated.
        1. Alf
          Alf 21 October 2020 15: 13
          0
          Quote: Squelcher
          Now a professional who performs his work efficiently and quickly is highly appreciated.

          I agree. There are only two points. The first is that the need for such pros is relatively small and, as a rule, all these places are tightly occupied. And the second one, and there are so many IT specialists for a fig?
          1. Squelcher
            Squelcher 22 October 2020 00: 18
            +2
            In modern Russia, the trouble is not in IT specialists, but in professionals, ranging from officials to ordinary sellers in stores. Only a few can and want to do their job qualitatively, but the demands are as if they are shock workers of production and labor.
    2. Igor Semenov
      Igor Semenov 21 October 2020 17: 06
      0
      Apparently, something does not suit them in Russia. I'm afraid to even think that ...
  • mihail_mihail0620
    mihail_mihail0620 20 October 2020 19: 22
    +2
    This, unfortunately, is a fact: the number of Russian engineers who worked to create the power of the United States.

    Why did they work? They are still working.
    Translation of design work in Russia "Boeing" began in the first half of the 1990-s. In 1998, the Moscow Design Center (MCC) was opened, in which all the 12 engineers from the Design Bureau named after N. S.V. Ilyushin. Ten years later, a small branch turned into the largest engineering center outside the US - today 150 staff members work at Boeing MCC, and more than 1000 employees from Russian design bureaus are involved in the design work on the topic “Boeing - Civil Aviation”. It looks like this: formally, Russian engineers work in Russian design bureaus, but the results of their activities, in agreement with the management of Russian companies, are transferred to the Boeing Center. Since 1998, Russian experts participated in 250 projects of American companies, including large-scale projects as 747 Boeing Converted Freighter, Boeing 737-900ER, Boeing 777F, Boeing 767-200SF / 300BCF, the new aircraft family 747 Boeing 747-8 and even flagship model - Boeing 787 Dreamliner.


    Center of Moscow, 17 / 9 Newspaper Lane. On the upper floors above McDonald's is the ICC "Boeing"
  • Unknown
    Unknown 20 October 2020 19: 34
    -1
    Well, everything, the United States without emigrants from Russia, never when they did not achieve success in aircraft construction. mind was not enough. they had their own designers and entrepreneurs, a dime a dozen, the same William Boeing, Grover Löning, and many others. The USA was already the leading industrial country in the world at that time, it is not Tsarist Russia, which lags behind in all industrial indicators. so they left, and the fool with them. the Lomonosovs, Mendnleyevs, Kulibins, Polykarpovs, Kalashnikovs and others, come from the people, and not from an almost degenerate nobility. after the VOR, when study became compulsory for all the people, many nuggets more abruptly than Sikorsky appeared, for example, Mikhail Leontyevich Mil, and they created equipment at the world level.
  • gridasov
    gridasov 20 October 2020 19: 49
    +4
    The irony is that even now Russia is losing both inventors and discoveries.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 20 October 2020 19: 53
    +3
    So America was a country of emigrants, and even now it pulls from everywhere!
    What's so new about that?
    To regret the past, a waste of time .... let's leave this topic to science fictional alternatives.
  • Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 20 October 2020 19: 57
    +6
    Later, Seversky in 1939 was not quite legally removed from the management of the company and took up expert work for the benefit of the US Air Force and ended his career as a military adviser to the US government.

    Just a citizen of Seversky deviated from the party line by selling planes to Japan via Siam. This deal, even carried out through an intermediary, attracted unhealthy attention of government agencies to the company - and therefore, against the background of a sharp growth in the US army and for the sake of future government orders, it was decided to donate Severskiy.
    Incidentally, this is a good example of how the "moral embargo", which was formally voluntary and optional, de facto turned into an obligation. If you want to work with the state, be so kind as to strictly observe even non-binding rules.
  • Bagatur
    Bagatur 20 October 2020 20: 23
    0
    Kril who flew to America. They did not give anything, they left where the freedom to fly as you like!
  • Eug
    Eug 20 October 2020 20: 51
    +5
    The impossibility of self-realization in the homeland and the possibility of it "over the hill" is one of the most important reasons for emigration. It would not hurt officials and other "statesmen" to remember this constantly ..
  • The eye of the crying
    The eye of the crying 20 October 2020 22: 09
    +2
    "We" is already the Russian Empire. But.
  • Roman1970_1
    Roman1970_1 21 October 2020 00: 00
    +2
    Georgy Alexandrovich Botezat was from Moldavia, from an old noble family. And he also did not find his future at home.


    And the rest did not find a future either.
    Therefore, we left. And if they stayed, it’s not a fact that they would have been allowed to work in the aviation industry, but there’s nothing to say about creating their own company.
    Many would be repressed
  • smihko
    smihko 21 October 2020 00: 15
    -1
    It was not only the aviators who left then. Stepan Timoshenko is an outstanding engineer in the field of strength of materials! I still have his books published in America on my desk. And he could have worked for Russia, although before the revolution he lived in Kiev. How many has the country lost "thanks" to the communists and Lenin-Stalin, and Gorbachev-Yeltsin? God forbid another revolution ... God forbid ...
    1. Igor Semenov
      Igor Semenov 21 October 2020 17: 11
      +1
      They (talented people) are also leaving under Putin.
  • apro
    apro 21 October 2020 01: 17
    -2
    It’s a strange article. What does it mean, donated? If the engineers emigrated to the SGA, it’s probably on their own initiative, and not on assignment. And probably nothing connected them with the country ...
  • Iskazi
    Iskazi 21 October 2020 03: 32
    -3
    Somewhat sad ..., but such is life ..., before the 1st World War, 10% of the US population was Russian-speaking ..., the peak of emigration was the reign of both Alexander ..., under Nicholas II, everything continued, squeezed out of all .., the Bolsheviks ended up without personnel at all ... or with poor quality. Now we have the same process ... in Russia there is no opportunity to engage in real affairs, both before Soviet Power and after it ..., a brief Stalinist outburst, a spark that the current regime successfully floods and is likely to flood. In the best traditions of Russia - "which we have lost."
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 21 October 2020 14: 43
      0
      Quote: Iskazi
      they squeezed out everyone .., the Bolsheviks ended up with no personnel at all ... or with poor quality.

      Quote: Iskazi
      brief Stalinist splash, spark,

      Excuse me - how does one combine with the other?
  • Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 21 October 2020 08: 28
    +1
    Georgy Alexandrovich Botezat was from Moldavia, from an old noble family.


    nonsense. Botezat was born in St. Petersburg. Father is a Bessarabian nobleman, mother is a Russian noblewoman.
  • gridasov
    gridasov 21 October 2020 08: 51
    -4
    Let me give you a small example. Our development of a fundamentally new mover has deep foundations in the analysis of the fact that the process provided by the device is fundamentally more rational. The device changes the way to create all kinds of mobile flow converters. In general, the perspective is both obvious and necessary. But, no reaction.
    1. Undecim
      Undecim 21 October 2020 11: 24
      +7
      The device changes the way to create all kinds of converters
      The "podeod" that creates the "everything" is, of course, an outstanding invention. Gridasov, teach your bot to write without errors.
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 21 October 2020 15: 46
        +2
        Quote: Undecim
        The "podeod" that creates the "everything" is, of course, an outstanding invention. Gridasov, teach your bot to write without errors.

        An old typewriter "Adler" was bought at the bazaar, which lacked the letter "e" and had to be replaced with the letter "e". Therefore, the very first attitude, sent by Ostap to the stationery store, sounded like this: “Let the courier comrade Panikovsky go to the courier for the Black Sea department for 150 rubles (one hundred and fifty days) of office supplies and credits for the account of Pravleniy in the city of Arbatov. APPENDIX. Basic applications ".

        - Here the god of the fool sent the commissioner for hooves! - Ostap was angry. - You can't charge anything. I bought a typewriter with a Turkish accent. So I'm the head of the department? You pig, Shura, after that!
        © Ilf and Petrov. Golden calf.
      2. gridasov
        gridasov 21 October 2020 16: 25
        0
        I already apologized that my device was buggy.
        1. gridasov
          gridasov 21 October 2020 16: 52
          -1
          In general, whether I am one-legged or hunchbacked, burr or others, it is important that I propose solutions. Provocateurs tend to look for methods to destabilize the author.
          1. Undecim
            Undecim 21 October 2020 19: 45
            +4
            i offer solutions
            You cannot customize your bot, but you are aiming at universal problems. Here you have a comrade-in-arms, claims to be a demiurge.
  • yehat2
    yehat2 21 October 2020 11: 26
    +3
    Quote: el Santo
    Of course, dying of hunger in the Gulag

    you instead of Solzhenitsyn read the reviews of those who really were there
    they do not talk about any hunger; in general, their story is very different from what Solzhenitsyn says.
    But you, of course, like a parrot, just picked up what they say around and mumble without even knowing what.
    As for the shootings and the NKVD. And read, for example, the commission for rehabilitation under Khrushchev.
    There, more than 95% of the cases remaining after the rehabilitation made by Beria were reviewed - less than 0.1% were found to be incorrect sentences. And Khrushchev was very interested in confirming his accusations against Stalin.
    So more of this was justified. Or do you think that at that time everything was right and calm?
  • Nitarius
    Nitarius 21 October 2020 12: 43
    -4
    author ... remember one simple thing! who serves the homeland .. Homeland and responds! and who went there .. then the homeland will not immediately respond ..! and there is nothing to humiliate other equally famous designers. .type those smart and left! the best remained at home!
  • Igor Semenov
    Igor Semenov 21 October 2020 16: 57
    0
    The wings that Russia has lost. It will be more correct
  • yehat2
    yehat2 21 October 2020 23: 03
    -1
    Quote: astepanov
    And what do you think, what could ALL geneticists, who were let into the spray, headed by Academician Vavilov, have been able to build for their future?

    that's not necessary about Vavilov.
    he was punished because during the famine he abandoned the selection of seeds for the village and, let's say, did a number of daring things, and the people at that time were quick to reprisal after several years of civil war and the events of WWI, and regardless of the power or personality the leader. And it was worth considering.
    And others were far from with a halo.
    1. sh3roman
      sh3roman 22 October 2020 13: 30
      +1
      Kalinin, Grokhovsky, Taubin, Langemak ?????? In the studio information for what they shot
      1. yehat2
        yehat2 22 October 2020 15: 46
        0
        Kalinin. Here it was the same as with Grokhovsky - patronage through the chain Alksnis - Tukhachevsky, denunciation in 38, the struggle between Tupolev and Chernyshev, for the curtailment of Grokhovsky's works in favor of others, "more worthy".
        As a result, it turned out that, formally, he was a projector, embezzler, pest, associated with the Tukhachevsky conspiracy, there was a denunciation of him from his own team. Along the way, it was drowned by those who, at its expense, tried to push through the production of DB-2, which would give them buns and cover their backs from unpleasant questions. He was one of the last to be killed by Yezhov's team of ukhars. By the way, all the NKVD officers involved in the death of Kalinin were themselves shot in 39-40 under the leadership of Beria.
        Grokhovsky - for large embezzlement and a number of direct violations of orders, while the connections with the executed Alksnis and Tukhachevsky somehow influenced. He did a number of useful works for the material base of the Airborne Forces, but also a number of dead ends, in addition, as far as I know, he fell under the biased census of the money spent on projects - a real exhaust. Moreover, the figure of the benefactor of many executed and retracted designers, Yakovlev, was again lit up.
        Taubin - for his MP-6 cannon, he voiced half the recoil from the real one (and there is evidence that it is 2.5 times), which, when trying to install it according to calculations, could lead to massive destruction of aircraft wings. A similar false story took place with the AP-12,7 machine gun, which fired poorly. Both samples were put into production. At the same time, Taubin was actively covered by those who appreciated his work and also suffered for it. As a result, the revealed inapplicability of these samples became a disaster for mass armament in aviation. If this had not happened in 41, it could have gotten away with it, but Taubin was shot for blatant sabotage in wartime.
        Langemak is Yezhov's victim in the well-known events of the purges.
        Thus, there was no intentional "case" against the designers on the part of the government, Stalin or his associates. These losses are associated with other processes.
  • Buchenland
    Buchenland 27 November 2020 04: 24
    0
    Clever girls from the USA dragged specialists from all over the world and made them Americans. This is common knowledge.


    Well, no one dragged Sikorsky, he himself, deliberately left