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To bombard the Donbas with RS-80 aircraft missiles? "Stimulus" for the Ukrainian military-industrial complex

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Out of cartridges



Apparently, the conflicting forecasts of network experts for once came true: Ukraine really began to experience a serious shortage of ammunition, including for artillery and MLRS. This joyful for Donbass news voiced on Ukrainian television by the ex-head of the Security Council of Ukraine Alexander Turchinov. He also said that recently Ukraine has practically lost the ability to produce ammunition.

“You know, now such a terrible conflict has begun again around Nagorno-Karabakh. This conflict shows that large-scale use of weapons, artillery weapons, multiple launch rocket systems. I just know our reserves. For some positions, sorry, we may have enough ammunition for a week of active hostilities. This is dangerous, we need powerful reserves, powerful own production of modern weapons - this is what we have been doing throughout the entire time. You know, I was directly involved in the missile program of Ukraine. And it hurts me to watch how it all freezes without any explanation. "

- said Turchinov.

Necessity for invention is cunning: Kiev is already looking for ways to find alternative ways to destroy the population of Donbass.

Chronicles of Ukrainian peacefulness


On October 12, on the air of one of the Ukrainian TV channels, the former speaker of the Ukrainian General Staff Vladislav Seleznev voiced the "peace-loving" initiatives of Kiev: to compensate for the lack of ammunition with unguided aviation missiles RS-80. According to Seleznev, Ukraine received large stocks of RS-80s from the USSR, and later the missiles were modernized, in 2018 Voennoye Obozreniye already wrote on the tests in Ukraine of samples of an 80 mm unguided aviation missile. This is the RS-80 Oskol missile, which in Kiev was called "entirely Ukrainian design."

Vladislav Seleznyov also expressed confidence that the use of such ammunition in Donbass will not only provide an additional incentive for the work of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex, but also fully comply with the terms of the Minsk agreements, since "they are not prohibited by this document."

Earlier, the Ukrainian holding company Artyom, which is part of Ukroboronprom, announced its early readiness to transfer several hundred RS-80 missiles to the Ukrainian Armed Forces. According to representatives of the Artyom company, the design of the missile provides for the possibility of equipping it with various warheads and fuses, including for combating UAVs as part of anti-aircraft missile systems.

“Thanks to intensive work, we managed to fulfill our contractual obligations ahead of schedule and we are ready to symbolically transfer the first batch of these newest missiles by the Day of the Defender of Ukraine. Due to the increased weight of the warhead, the RS-80 can penetrate 400 mm of armor at a launch range of 1,2–4 kilometers. We are convinced that it will worthily prove itself in the service and look forward to continuing the production of the RS-80 for the needs of the security and defense forces of Ukraine ",

- said the head of the enterprise Vladimir Zimin.

What are words worth?


By themselves, such statements by Ukrainian speakers during the truce and in the context of the discussion of the upcoming meeting in the Normandy format are not only invaluable, but also make us think seriously about the viability of any attempts to seriously negotiate or discuss any issues with Ukraine. At the same time, here, of course, it is necessary to make a serious amendment to the Ukrainian projection, which may well be crowned with another cut of budgets and a couple of victorious reports, in order to then sink into oblivion. At the same time, it would be silly to believe that Ukraine can be held back from the shelling of Gorlovka or the outskirts of Donetsk with the RS-80. Suffice it to recall that in 2014 the use of Tochka-U ballistic missiles was discouraged only by the fact that the vast majority of missiles fell without firing, and some exploded at the start.

Probably, the seriousness of this situation should be studied in detail, and not only at the level of the people's militia corps, but also at the level of Russian experts. And also to give appropriate publicity to the statements of the Ukrainians. However, everyone is already accustomed to the fact that not only words, but also real war crimes in Kiev meet only the duty “deep concern”.
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  1. Hunter 2
    Hunter 2 19 October 2020 15: 09
    -2
    Well, yes, with a range of 1.2 - 4 km, just a "strategic" missile!
    They are doing everything in order to finally destroy their Aviation (its pitiful remnants).
    1. novel66
      novel66 19 October 2020 15: 28
      +2
      but there is a modification with SPEL - arrow-shaped striking elements, a bunch of feathered nails are knocked out and thrashed across the area
    2. Grei
      Grei 21 October 2020 06: 24
      0
      As I understood from the article, the S-80 missiles are going to be used from the ground (like martyrs) and here something else is important, but what about accuracy? The S-80 is actually NUR. And in order to pierce 400mm of armor, you still need to hit it. And about the drone, I generally keep quiet.
  2. Asad
    Asad 19 October 2020 15: 13
    +9
    The author's surname must be written from above so that it can be seen whether it is worth wasting time or not!
  3. svp67
    svp67 19 October 2020 15: 16
    +1
    Forgive me, but the missiles inherited from the USSR cannot inspire confidence, when used ... All storage periods have already expired. I don't know what they are counting on ...
    1. novel66
      novel66 19 October 2020 15: 28
      +1
      from the USSR - they can !!
      1. svp67
        svp67 19 October 2020 16: 33
        +2
        Quote: novel xnumx
        from the USSR - they can !!

        And the time hasn’t decayed, for so long?
        1. novel66
          novel66 19 October 2020 16: 35
          -1
          Soviet - no!
          1. svp67
            svp67 19 October 2020 16: 49
            +3
            Quote: novel xnumx
            Soviet - no!

            Well, of course, the communists had their own laws of chemistry
            1. novel66
              novel66 19 October 2020 16: 59
              +2
              based on scientific materialism
        2. Revolver
          Revolver 19 October 2020 17: 11
          +6
          Quote: svp67
          And the time hasn’t decayed, for so long?

          I have zinc Soviet revolver cartridges, 1950s release. I've already shot half of it, so far not a single misfire.
          1. Aviator_
            Aviator_ 19 October 2020 19: 03
            +2
            About 20 years ago, he worked at a ballistic stand, fired rifle cartridges manufactured in 1946. For a hundred of them there were 2 substandard - they gave an increase in muzzle velocity by 50 m / s compared to the rest.
            1. Undecim
              Undecim 19 October 2020 22: 51
              +4
              In 1983 we used 7,62 x 54R cartridges from 1943 for PKT. And there were never any delays in shooting.
              1. Aviator_
                Aviator_ 19 October 2020 23: 10
                +2
                There were no delays either. The cartridge is the same -7,62 x 54R. According to the conditions of the experiment, the shooting was single. But the composition of the gunpowder has clearly changed - instead of the typical 780 m / s (with a shot barrel), I got once 915, and another time 880 m / s.
                1. Undecim
                  Undecim 19 October 2020 23: 15
                  +4
                  For the sake of interest, we compared the results of firing old and new cartridges, there was practically no difference, despite the fact that the reduction to a normal battle was carried out with "fresh" cartridges.
                  1. Aviator_
                    Aviator_ 19 October 2020 23: 20
                    +2
                    That's what I say - 2% substandard after 50 years of storage. A fast-flying object was needed, so he worked on a ballistic stand, they fired from the barrel of a carbine in 1891/30, the muzzle velocity on the new barrel should be 830 m / s, on the shot it was about 780 m / s.
              2. The leader of the Redskins
                The leader of the Redskins 20 October 2020 13: 57
                +1
                An acquaintance from Ukraine, a captain - a tanker, said that in 2014, when the next BTG was being prepared, zinc was also caught in the 1943 PKT. The rest, though "fresher", but also. And the shells, that, in general, from the 60s to the 80s. The latest, if I'm not mistaken, 1986.
    2. Avior
      Avior 19 October 2020 15: 35
      +4
      We are talking about a new PC-80, not Soviet ones.
      Produced at Artem, they want to increase the state order
  4. Prisoner
    Prisoner 19 October 2020 15: 18
    +1
    "You know, I was directly involved in the missile program of Ukraine. And it hurts me to watch how all this freezes without any explanation."
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 19 October 2020 17: 16
      +2
      Quote: Captive
      Freeze your program to the morgue.

      Yes, he himself would look bad in the morgue, on the dissector's table. And you do not need to freeze, he is already frostbitten all over his head. Diagnosis - brain malfunction.
  5. Ros 56
    Ros 56 19 October 2020 15: 24
    -1
    Let Donbass be given a chance to sweep away this Banderlog scum without any pity for the Lyakhs and other striped lackeys. Though Novorossiya will breathe deeply.
    1. Egor-dis
      Egor-dis 20 October 2020 16: 40
      0
      Quote: Ros 56
      Let Donbass be given a chance to sweep away this Banderlog scum
      They won't, because "Minskunet's alternatives". And there is no one to sweep away. Because, through the efforts of "military experts", "observers" and other "vacationers" brought in by the north wind, the army of Novorosiya (in the sense of the People's Militia) was drained into the toilet. Looking at everything that is happening in our country, I began to understand why Stalin arranged such repressions in the army.
  6. aleks neym_2
    aleks neym_2 19 October 2020 15: 29
    0
    Poles have already made such an assembly. and ahead - the Arabs on the Mercier!
  7. JonnyT
    JonnyT 19 October 2020 15: 36
    0
    Chi zrada or peremoga?
    Something I am completely confused in the Ukrainian independent politics
    1. Stasi
      Stasi 20 October 2020 10: 03
      +1
      Quote: JonnyT
      Chi zrada or peremoga?
      Something I am completely confused in the Ukrainian independent politics

      Do you want to sort out the square, or "independent"Ukraine's policy?
  8. Brturin
    Brturin 19 October 2020 15: 38
    0
    let from what they will, as an example, Belarusians show "Flute" ...
    https://topwar.ru/167429-belorusskaja-promyshlennost-pokazala-novuju-rszo-flejta.html
    ! one bites, the second jumps like crazy, and the third, bastard, in his own bullets "
    1. Stasi
      Stasi 20 October 2020 10: 13
      +2
      Quote: BrTurin
      let from what they will, as an example, Belarusians show "Flute" ...

      Apparently, the Bandera battalions will not bother and will supply standard aviation "barrels" to NURS.

      But the Belarusians, they showed, they showed it ... Interestingly, their launch tubes are lengthened in comparison with the standard ones in order to increase the accuracy, or have they remained the same?
  9. ZEMCH
    ZEMCH 19 October 2020 15: 56
    0
    “You know, now such a terrible conflict has begun again around Nagorno-Karabakh. This conflict shows that, first of all, there is a large-scale use of weapons, artillery weapons, multiple launch rocket systems. I just know our reserves. For some positions, sorry, we may have enough ammunition for a week of active hostilities. This is dangerous, we need powerful reserves, powerful own production of modern weapons - this is what we have been doing throughout the entire time. You know, I was directly involved in the missile program of Ukraine. And it hurts me to watch it all freeze without any explanation. "

    Undoubtedly, he still wants to "drink", whatever he does, everything is lost and settles in his pockets, well, he pointed out the guilty, he is preparing for the elections.
  10. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 19 October 2020 16: 25
    +4
    It is a pity there was no "scout Kuznetsov" to spank Turchinov's nits.
  11. Igoresha
    Igoresha 19 October 2020 16: 53
    +1
    Suffice it to recall that in 2014 the use of Tochka-U ballistic missiles was discouraged only by the fact that the vast majority of missiles fell without firing, and some exploded at the start.

    Yes, there was such a launch, moreover, a Ukrainian saboteur filmed his hit on some plant in a video from the site of a high-rise building.
    1. Serge Koval
      Serge Koval 20 October 2020 08: 44
      0
      Gunpowder may become damp, but TNT decomposes over time into its constituent elements and can detonate when lying down. Let them use it. How many letok ukroreykh lost and how many of these missiles will lose !!!
  12. Revolver
    Revolver 19 October 2020 17: 30
    +3
    The Arab Allah-Babakhi have long been placing missile aviation units on trucks, making an improvised MLRS.
  13. Niel-le-Calais
    Niel-le-Calais 19 October 2020 18: 13
    -2
    For some positions, sorry, we may have enough ammunition for a week of active hostilities

    large-caliber RTZO, arts.
    You know, I was directly involved in the missile program of Ukraine. And it hurts me to see how it all freezes without any explanation. "

    it's about Alder and Neptune.
  14. parusnik
    parusnik 19 October 2020 18: 28
    +2
    There is no doubt about the "peacefulness" of the Kiev authorities. smile They are so "peaceful" that they cannot eat.
  15. iouris
    iouris 19 October 2020 20: 00
    0
    ... and even things may come to the point that they will offer to use "Greek fire". They can read a textbook on the history of ancient Ukraine.
    1. Megatron
      Megatron 20 October 2020 03: 35
      +1
      Why are you so. Wide proto-ears can throw lightning with their own hands!
  16. Pamir
    Pamir 19 October 2020 21: 35
    -1
    In fact, where everything is bought and sold, you probably need to act differently, quietly pay for the reduction of ammunition warehouses, the heads of warehouses, and everything will be in openwork as in a warehouse in Balakleya. Greed for enrichment feeds everything. But to pay after a quick deed. Those who are reasonable against the ATO, the main thing is to prove by deeds.
  17. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 19 October 2020 23: 18
    0
    To report, as well as to grind with your tongue, is not carrying bags of cement))))