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F-35: and light is found at the end of the tunnel!

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The team of authors 2Business Insider "in the American edition" We are The Mighty "reflects on the prospects for the fifth-generation fighter F-35, around which so many spears have already been broken that it is possible to fence off more than one land airfield.


On the one hand, everything is clear and understandable. The Americans have a flying "Armata", production and sales have been established, now it remains only to think over how to use this aircraft. Because only the defeated target justifies the means spent on the means of destruction, right?

Maybe florid, but vital.

And what did the Americans come up with in order to achieve their American Dream, namely, a capable (I'm not talking about F-22) fifth generation aircraft.

And in their opinion (which we, if we dispute, then only slightly), the F-35, which can do almost everything in air combat, will now receive a new option: to shoot down intercontinental ballistic missiles.


Further, a direct quote from an article in the American media:

Ballistic missiles, such as those that North Korea is perfecting to reach the United States with a nuclear warhead, pose a huge threat to the United States as they return to the atmosphere at speeds tens of times the speed of sound.

The United States is using advanced radars and ground-based missile interceptors to engage missiles on a downward trajectory. This method has been compared to hitting a bullet in a bullet, and it was really only successful against non-maneuvering targets at close range.

But there are many reasons to doubt that the US missile defense against North Korea will work. And advanced ICBMs with multiple warheads or dummy warheads are likely to confuse missile defenses and render them useless.

But when the ICBM takes off from the launch pad and picks up speed, the entire missile becomes its sole target.

Then why not shoot it down with an air-to-air missile from an F-35?

The US Air Force has had air-to-air missiles for decades that target hot flying targets, and ICBMs in their first stage are, in fact, that.

Well, probably everyone has questions. And most importantly: how dangerous North Korean ballistic missiles are weapons for the USA?


Hwaseong, whatever the number after the name, is not a weapon worth building an army of fifth generation fighters. Yes, it is ballistic, yes, medium-range, but at best it can threaten the very edge of Alaska. This is in the most optimistic case. Neither the United States nor Russia will be patted on the head for an attempt on the edge, since our land is actually nearby.

Reaching the territory of the United States, and even in such quantities that it would really threaten the country's existence - sorry, this is not about the DPRK's nuclear missile program.

But in the absence of a maid ... But we are talking about her at the very end.


In 2007, Lockheed Martin received $ 3 million to carry out work and testing of air-to-air missiles for the destruction of both missile systems and launching missiles. The tests carried out in 2014 were successful.

Strange, but even the Americans note that there was no “peremogi” celebration this time. Although the entire program of "promotion" of the F-35 was built precisely on such performances, telling about the achievements and superiority.

And in our case - for some reason, silence. It is strange, especially when you consider that the United States knows how to brag about their achievements like no one else.

Patrick Evans (US Department of Defense):

It would be inappropriate to speculate on the future capabilities or objectives of the weapons system. I can tell you that the F-35 is a multi-role fighter, and therefore the most diverse tasks can be assigned to it.



Duncan Hunter (Member of the House Armed Services Committee):

All we plan to do is hit targets with F-35 air-to-air missiles in the first 300 seconds it takes for the missile to take off. Since in some places North Korea is only 75 miles across, this is within the range of the F-35 missiles.

By the way, Hunter accused the leadership of the military-industrial complex that the work did not start earlier, and $ 40 billion was spent on the creation of ground-based anti-missiles.

So, in principle, the F-35, which has stealth and anti-missile capabilities, is ideal for penetrating North Korean airspace. All of the technology used to create the Lightning and its weapons makes it the best aircraft for the job.


But then the most unpleasant thing for the Americans begins.

To hit the launching ICBM with a missile launched from an aircraft is not so difficult. But for this, the first thing to do is to get closer to the launcher, that is, almost to enter the country's airspace.

And any normal country (or almost normal) will regard such a maneuver as a reason for what? Yes, to declare war. Or, in the case of Korea, for an immediate strike at Japan, which they have long regarded unevenly.

In fact, so far, all missiles designed in North Korea do not threaten the United States in any way. Simply because they are all unable to reach US territory. So there was a bobble here with motivation.

If North Korea did threaten the United States or its allies with a sufficient number of ICBMs of sufficient range, then yes, their interception of the F-35 could change the course of the game.


US intelligence and satellite orbital constellation are able to make every effort to maintain the secrecy of the North Koreans and provide a pair of aircraft carriers at the right time in neutral waters, but in the range of the F-35.

And in this case, yes, an unobtrusive aircraft could come within the range of launching its missiles at a starting ICBM. There is a possibility that the air defense may not detect it.

However, as already noted, North Korea as the center of the Global Evil, and even threatening the United States with its missiles, does not look perfect. And the missiles are rather weak, and the quantity ...


And what do you order those in the Pentagon to do?

It is necessary to look somewhere for external enemies, who simply need to be blamed for the construction of the F-35 and interceptor missiles. We need an enemy. This is an old trick, but why invent something new if the old one works great?

Libya ... Iraq ... Iran ... Syria ... Everyone who could be accused of developing nuclear and chemical weapons has already been accused and blown to pieces.

Russia? Alas, it doesn't fit. So to take and fly up to the locations of our ICBMs is from the realm of fantasy. These 1100 km of combat radius are in Russian realities laughter through tears.

China? Roughly the same. Where the Chinese hide their missiles, everything will be calm there. The F-35 again lacks the strength to fly.

What a blessing that there is North Korea! And she has rockets! Right then, Mr. President Trump deployed the aircraft carriers, very right. As I knew directly that the Koreans would come in handy.

So, then, defeat the North Koreans in your own style, so what? Yes, no one would need these F-35s. Well, perhaps, Israel would be useful.

And now - beauty! North Korea's pitiful missiles give, make it possible to spend another couple of tens of billions of dollars and still find a basis for the use of the F-35.


So well done guys from the "Business Insider" team, who issued such a luxurious justification for the F-35 to remain in service.

Keeping the United States safe from possible attacks from such a terrible state as North Korea is precisely the task for the latest fifth-generation fighter-bomber.

So yes, the Lightning pilots will have to get trained, budgets have to be drawn up and used, and the Lightnings will defend the US against North Korean missiles.

Is it funny? Yes, in general it's funny. And if you think about the budget figures that will need to be mastered, nothing funny. The clean water business is on anti-missiles, F-35s, and the hard-line North Koreans.

However, everything is as usual.

Source: https://www.wearethemighty.com/news/how-the-f-35-can-succeed-where-us-anti-missile-defenses-fail.
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  1. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 8 October 2020 05: 56 New
    +5
    Recently, Jewish comrades are not so strong in defending the F35, maybe they got something?
    1. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich 8 October 2020 06: 53 New
      +5
      Quote: Pessimist22
      Recently, Jewish comrades are not so strong in defending the F35, maybe they got something?


      well you are right! in the article about North Korea and America, you are primarily concerned about the Jewish comrades.
      ps we understood everything.
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 8 October 2020 07: 28 New
      +7
      So it is no longer interesting to stand up for his defense. There is no intrigue.
      The plane took place. His opponents also understand this. fellow
      No attacks - no defense.
      1. Pessimist22
        Pessimist22 8 October 2020 07: 46 New
        +8
        Clearly, well, personally, I think the rumors of his radar invisibility are greatly exaggerated.
        1. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 8 October 2020 09: 14 New
          +6
          Not better than the F-117, anyway. And we know about the same as his radar visibility ..
      2. Same lech
        Same lech 8 October 2020 08: 31 New
        +7
        The plane took place. His opponents also understand this.

        Where did it take place?
        In advertising, yes, I agree ... in real combat with a strong enemy, no ... on the couch, I and the IDF will put one left. smile hi
        1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
          Sidor Amenpodestovich 8 October 2020 09: 08 New
          +2
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          Where did it take place?

          I think, first and foremost (and maybe the only one) - in the number of built copies.
        2. dauria
          dauria 8 October 2020 11: 00 New
          +6
          Where did it take place?
          In advertising, yes I agree ..

          And I will support the "warrior" .. This is a new generation F-16. Relatively cheap air fighter. Massive workhorse.
          Here at VO it is accepted in full force - "Yes, he does not have a boosted supersonic sound !!!"
          Let's take an objective look. Supersonic is not only an advantage, but also a disadvantage. You have to pay for everything. In this case, they pay with a low degree of bypass of the engines. Effective at supersonic, but voracious at "near sound".
          There are no "three-circuit" engines (more precisely, with a variable bypass ratio) yet. Will appear. But the F-35 made a compromise for the sake of range. And I would not call it purely "ground shock". This is exactly the MFI. Perfectly balanced in tasks and characteristics.
          1. Alien From
            Alien From 8 October 2020 14: 38 New
            +4
            Here I agree with you and Voyaka too!
        3. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 8 October 2020 12: 38 New
          +8
          "in real combat with a strong enemy there is no" ////
          ----
          And who are they? - real fights with a strong opponent? laughing
          What do you demand from the F-35 that no other modern one has?
          fighter?
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      3. Ali
        Ali 8 October 2020 19: 59 New
        0
        Quote: voyaka uh
        So it is no longer interesting to stand up for his defense. There is no intrigue.
        The plane took place. His opponents also understand this.
        No attacks - no defense.

        voyaka uh. You are joking? Justify your pearl! The disadvantages of the F-35 are above the roof! Moreover, major flaws are inevitable a priori! Aerodynamics, sacrificed for "stealth" - puts a big cross on the F-35, like an airplane ...
        1. Ali
          Ali 8 October 2020 20: 20 New
          -1
          voyaka uh (Alexey) and everyone who sympathizes with you! The other day was shows the launch of RVV-BD R-37M from the board of a Su-35S fighter - ... sneaked up on the F-35 unnoticed. Did the VO website miss this event to please the Russophobes and their strategists?
      4. Bad_gr
        Bad_gr 9 October 2020 00: 55 New
        +2
        Quote: voyaka uh
        The plane took place. His opponents also understand this.

        Held as a commercial project. How much it turned out as a combat aircraft is a question. They are in no hurry to try them out in battles.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 9 October 2020 01: 49 New
          +3
          In battles with whom? belay
          There are no air battles. And in shock missions, he participates with might and main.
          1. Ali
            Ali 9 October 2020 19: 22 New
            -2
            Quote: voyaka uh
            There are no air battles. And in shock missions, he participates with might and main.

            voyaka uh (Alexey). The F-35 strike missions are a bluff and nothing more ... Only a real air battle with a worthy enemy, for example, at least with the Su-35S, which will have the RVV-BD R-37M on board, will solve it!
      5. Bobik012
        Bobik012 23 October 2020 19: 59 New
        0
        Come on. The situation with the f-117 will repeat itself: the money will be beaten off, the hype will subside, and they will slowly write it off. Bo shit! Meanwhile, production of the f-15E resumes. Why would ?!
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 23 October 2020 20: 08 New
          0
          "In the meantime, production of the f-15E resumes. Why?" ///
          ----
          Besides, the F-15s are getting old, and the F-22s are no longer produced.
          And the F-35 is replacing the large fleet of F-16s, which are written off or given away.
    3. antivirus
      antivirus 8 October 2020 07: 50 New
      +2
      To hit the launching ICBM with a missile launched from an aircraft is not so difficult. But for this, the first thing to do is to get closer to the launcher, that is, almost to enter the country's airspace.

      -There is a reason to sell our С300-400 sooner - how much will the Yapas pay for canceling such a deal? or us for refusal or the United States for continuing sanctions
      1. g1washntwn
        g1washntwn 8 October 2020 08: 21 New
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        Quote: antivirus
        To hit the launching ICBM with a missile launched from an aircraft is not so difficult.

        In theory. ICBMs in the acceleration section - 5-7 km / sec, explosive missile - 1,2-1,5 km / sec. Since shooting only in pursuit or with very strong lead, then either another special hypersonic anti-missile missile is needed, or you need to constantly watch the carousel around the boundaries of the proposed points and flight directions of these ICBMs at a decent height.
        The F-35 is not suitable for this, the "ripper" converted into an EOTS carrier with a pair of anti-missiles - yes. A non-massive launch can be thoroughly thinned out ...
        ... if the enemy does not take any resistance at all before his launches.
        1. Bormanxnumx
          Bormanxnumx 8 October 2020 09: 11 New
          -2
          Quote: g1washntwn

          In theory. ICBMs in the acceleration section - 5-7 km / sec, explosive missile - 1,2-1,5 km / sec.

          https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASM-135_ASAT
          6.6km / s in the distant 1984)
          1. g1washntwn
            g1washntwn 8 October 2020 09: 25 New
            +6
            ASAT: Length - 5420 mm; Launch weight - 1180 kg
            F-35: compartment - judging by the nomenclature (about 5 m); the mass on ALL internal pylons is slightly more than 2 tons.
            ... exactly inwards F-35 fit so as not to say goodbye to stealth?
            1. Bormanxnumx
              Bormanxnumx 8 October 2020 11: 08 New
              -5
              Quote: g1washntwn
              .. exactly inside the F-35 is placed so as not to say goodbye to stealth?

              Are you sure that the Americans will not be able to modify N is the number of carriers for the standard use of such a missile. And since the 84th year, the dimensions can "finish"
              1. g1washntwn
                g1washntwn 8 October 2020 12: 22 New
                +6
                In the sense of? To cut out the F-35 compartment more than half a meter longer and just make anything twice as thick? Because even two interceptor missiles on board are not at all a guarantee of intercepting even one launch.
                I wrote from the beginning - a new rocket is needed. I admit to make a compact version of ASAT, abandon a separate kinetic interceptor and put on a strict diet. But then we forget about the transatmospheric interception and return to fairy tales how several interceptor missiles are stopped from "statischilometers" of the enemy's ICBM and OTRK armada.
      2. Bobik012
        Bobik012 23 October 2020 20: 03 New
        0
        In order to hit a starting ICBM, it would be nice to know that it is about to start, and to know very well in advance and not to be mistaken from the moment of launch. I remember the tale about mice, a cat and a bell :-)
    4. ZEMCH
      ZEMCH 10 October 2020 18: 15 New
      +2
      Quote: Pessimist22
      Recently, Jewish comrades are not so strong in defending the F35, maybe they got something?

      I think we understood one thing - to remake the plane for ourselves, leave it working, throw it out that doesn't work, don't pay for it that doesn't work. But also apply it based on their interests and the concepts of using such weapons. Those. for ground targets, without entering the air defense zone or the borders of the country, which is considered the aggressor)))
  2. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 8 October 2020 06: 01 New
    +1
    shoot down intercontinental ballistic missiles.
    Right ! Goodness should not be lost.
  3. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 8 October 2020 06: 45 New
    +3
    The F-35, which can do almost anything in aerial combat, will now receive a new option: shoot down intercontinental ballistic missiles.
    belay And here Stealth technologies will show themselves! .. crying
  4. Gunther
    Gunther 8 October 2020 06: 46 New
    +4
    Quote: Pessimist22
    Recently, Jewish comrades are not so strong in defending the F35, maybe they got something?

    they did realize that f35 is a flying bucket with nuts, but they will not tell us goyim - they are so cunning, these tovarischi.
    1. Yngvar
      Yngvar 8 October 2020 06: 55 New
      +1
      But what marketing! :)
    2. A. Privalov
      A. Privalov 8 October 2020 08: 55 New
      +9
      Quote: Gunter
      they did realize that f35 is a flying bucket with nuts, but they will not tell us goyim - they are so cunning, these tovarischi.

      I can't argue with anything. You are absolutely right!
      "Flying buckets with nuts" are currently produced in more than 550 copies (134 in 2019), they are located at 21 bases in eight countries of operators around the world, more than 1000 pilots and about 9000 technicians have been trained for them, the cumulative flight time of buckets exceeded 250 thousand . hours.
      Tell me, please, what can they do against the formidable "eighth flight prototype of the 2nd stage"? Yes, absolutely nothing. Well, really, where are they and where is this "prototype"?

      In a word, while we cannot watch with great pleasure how the "best in the world", "unparalleled" "experimental prototypes" are made, we are left with disgust to admire the production of "buckets with nuts". hi

      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 8 October 2020 09: 11 New
        +1
        Rolling honorary pennant "Capitalist Labor Brigade".
        Awarded once a month to production teams and togas of capitalist competition. The pennant is received only by the team that in the current month had no violations of labor discipline: absenteeism, drunkenness at the workplace, removal of scarce materials and components from the territory of the enterprise, submitted and implemented a larger number of rationalization proposals, worked more hours at the sponsored agricultural farm, etc.
      2. Sidor Amenpodestovich
        Sidor Amenpodestovich 8 October 2020 09: 17 New
        +7
        Quote: A. Privalov
        "Flying buckets with nuts" are currently produced in more than 550 copies (134 in 2019), they are located at 21 bases in eight countries of operators around the world, more than 1000 pilots and about 9000 technicians have been trained for them, the cumulative flight time of buckets exceeded 250 thousand . hours.

        When it comes to the undoubted merits of the F-35, it is always not its performance characteristics and some features and achievements that are called, but the number of copies produced and operating countries.
        Why is that?
        1. A. Privalov
          A. Privalov 8 October 2020 09: 22 New
          0
          Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
          ... and the number of copies produced and the operating countries.
          Why is that?

          All for the simple reason that it is this mass character that allows you to identify any design flaws, carefully study and find technical solutions to eliminate them.

          A dozen different-colored prototypes of the main competitor of this device in no way can give its designers and manufacturers a clear picture of the real situation regarding problems and bottlenecks in the design. It is possible that it is for this reason that not a single serial copy has been released to this day.
          1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
            Sidor Amenpodestovich 8 October 2020 09: 25 New
            +5
            Did it ever occur to you that the mass character is explained not so much by a successful design as by the absence of competitors?
            As it was said in the old advertisement: "With all the wealth of choice, there is no other alternative."
            It never occurred to Israel, Italy, the Netherlands, Japan, etc. Could the Americans have made an offer that they could not refuse?
            All for the simple reason that it is this mass character that allows you to identify any design flaws, carefully study and find technical solutions to eliminate them.

            Early access or beta test for customer money. Very pragmatic.
            I wonder if Lockheed got the idea from Gabin, or Gabin from Lockheed?
            1. A. Privalov
              A. Privalov 8 October 2020 09: 34 New
              -4
              Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich
              Did it ever occur to you that the mass character is explained not so much by a successful design as by the absence of competitors?
              As it was said in the old advertisement: "With all the wealth of choice, there is no other alternative."
              It never occurred to Israel, Italy, the Netherlands, Japan, etc. Could the Americans have made an offer that they could not refuse?

              Coming to your head is definitely a good thing.
              And good offers are even better. laughing

              I can name a couple of countries that have received an offer to purchase a device from competitors. Some --- refused right away, others - after long deliberation, others decided to wait until the "competitor" releases at least something real, but their patience is not unlimited.

              For Italy, the Netherlands, Japan, etc. I won't say, but we needed an airplane from which we could throw out unnecessary electronic stuffing and put everything of our own, including avionics, fire control systems, etc. We could adapt ammunition for our own armament. Something like that... hi
              1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
                Sidor Amenpodestovich 8 October 2020 09: 41 New
                0
                Coming to your head is definitely a good thing.

                That is, what I have stated has never occurred to you before? Hence the confusion and an attempt to evade the answer with the help of irony.
                I hope your vanity has not suffered much. However, I don't care.
                Is it Italy, Israel, etc. were interested in the Su-57, thought, decided and lost patience? And Turkey's F-35 is no longer shining.
                1. A. Privalov
                  A. Privalov 8 October 2020 09: 55 New
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                  Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich
                  Coming to your head is definitely a good thing.

                  That is, what I have stated has never occurred to you before? Hence the confusion and an attempt to evade the answer with the help of irony.
                  I hope your vanity has not suffered much. However, I don't care.
                  Is it Italy, Israel, etc. were interested in the Su-57, thought, decided and lost patience? And Turkey's F-35 is no longer shining.

                  Perhaps it did not occur to you (this is me without any irony) that both Israel and Italy know and understand perfectly well that there is no point in being interested in something that actually exists only on paper.
                  As a result, Israel received 4 F-20s in 35 years (too lazy to look for Italy), and 57 Su-0s were transferred to the active forces.
                  So it's good that you didn't waste your time.
                  I hope your vanity has not suffered much. However, I don't care.
                  hi
                  1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
                    Sidor Amenpodestovich 8 October 2020 10: 04 New
                    +4
                    Quote: A. Privalov
                    Perhaps it did not occur to you (this is me without any irony) that both Israel and Italy know and understand perfectly well that there is no point in being interested in something that actually exists only on paper.

                    Not understood. Do you really admit that Israel or Italy could consider the possibility of buying the Su-57, if it is ready and supplied by the Russian Aerospace Forces?
                    1. A. Privalov
                      A. Privalov 8 October 2020 10: 31 New
                      -5
                      Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
                      Not understood. Do you really admit that Israel or Italy could consider the possibility of buying the Su-57, if it is ready and supplied by the Russian Aerospace Forces?

                      Of course not. You could have guessed for yourself.
                      But the Hindus considered. They came to us three years ago to feel the F-35 physically, to see the production of the wings, to ask about the views of electronic baubles, etc. They also visited the Italians. They were all unanimously told that in any case, it is better to hold a tit in the hands.
                      The Indians abandoned the Su-57, but the truth is they did not go to the F-35. This is their decision. hi
                      1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
                        Sidor Amenpodestovich 8 October 2020 10: 57 New
                        +2
                        Quote: A. Privalov
                        The Indians abandoned the Su-57, but the truth is they did not go to the F-35.

                        I think the Indians abandoned the Su-57 for the same reason that they cannot see the F-35, namely: they will not be allowed to produce such equipment on their territory, and the cut-down characteristics do not suit them.
                        While there is an impression that the French are throwing them with engines for the "Rafale".
                      2. A. Privalov
                        A. Privalov 8 October 2020 10: 58 New
                        -2
                        Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich
                        Quote: A. Privalov
                        The Indians abandoned the Su-57, but the truth is they did not go to the F-35.

                        I think the Indians abandoned the Su-57 for the same reason that they will not see the F-35, namely: they will not be allowed to produce such equipment on their territory.
                        While there is an impression that the French are throwing them with engines for the "Rafale".

                        These are the personal problems of the Hindus. hi
                    2. Voyager
                      Voyager 8 October 2020 12: 07 New
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                      Quote: A. Privalov
                      But the Indians were considering. About three years ago they came to us to feel the F-35 physically, to see the production of the wings, to inquire about the views of electronic baubles, etc. They also visited the Italians. They were all unanimously told that in any case, it is better to hold a bird in hand.
                      The Indians abandoned the Su-57, but the truth is they did not go to the F-35. This is their decision.

                      Either you are deliberately lying, or you write about what you do not understand, which is not the first time in general. The Indians considered participating in the joint development of an FGFA based on the Su-57, but this is not the same thing. The stumbling block in the abandonment of the project was the set the teeth on edge by the demand of the Indians to transfer technology to them and to develop production of almost key nodes on their territory. So do not flaunt the Indians who have only dances with their ass around the chairs in their minds.
                    3. A. Privalov
                      A. Privalov 8 October 2020 12: 33 New
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                      Quote: Voyager
                      Either you are deliberately lying, or you write about what you do not understand, which is not the first time in general. The Indians considered participating in the joint development of an FGFA based on the Su-57, but this is not the same thing. The stumbling block in the abandonment of the project was the set the teeth on edge by the demand of the Indians to transfer technology to them and to develop production of almost key nodes on their territory. So do not flaunt the Indians who have only dances with their ass around the chairs in their minds.

                      Reduce your head, sir.
                      The Indian military believes that the Russian fighter that is being created does not meet the stated requirements of secrecy. Also, the Indian side believes that Russian-developed combat avionics, radars and sensors do not meet the standards of a fifth-generation combat aircraft.
                      Point.
                      Everything else, from the evil one.
                      These are definitely not Israel's problems. hi
                    4. Voyager
                      Voyager 8 October 2020 17: 17 New
                      +3
                      I see no reason to reduce the pressure until you stop, within the framework of your cheap trolling, ripping out of context the theses that are convenient for you.

                      The reason for the winding down of the 11-year program of the Indian Air Force is cited as insurmountable discrepancies in technological and financial questions. Meanwhile, in the future, the Indian side admits the revision of the agreement on FGFA, and also does not exclude the purchase of ready-made Su-57 in the event that Russia meets the requirements of India.


                      Quote: A. Privalov
                      These are definitely not Israel's problems.

                      Well, discuss the problems of Israel, if you are so worried about them, on the appropriate resources. For what is not news about the F-35, so immediately your shifting from a sore head to a healthy one towards the Su-57.
                    5. A. Privalov
                      A. Privalov 8 October 2020 17: 47 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Voyager
                      I see no reason to reduce the pressure

                      Well then keep raising the pressure. Good luck. hi
                    6. MKPU-115
                      MKPU-115 8 October 2020 23: 45 New
                      +2
                      Alexander Privalov was blown away)))
    3. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 8 October 2020 11: 01 New
      -1
      Quote: A. Privalov
      we needed an airplane from which we could throw out unnecessary electronic stuffing and put all our


      And how, thrown away? Put? laughing
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 8 October 2020 11: 14 New
        -2
        Quote: Eye of the Crying
        And how, thrown away? Put?

        So that you do not even doubt. hi
        1. The eye of the crying
          The eye of the crying 8 October 2020 11: 29 New
          -1
          Oh really? laughing What, and radar, and OLS, and a computer system? Maximum - you added something of your own and modified the software (just finalized - if you threw away all the avionics, all the software would have to be written from scratch).
          1. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik 8 October 2020 11: 51 New
            +1
            Quote: Eye of the Crying
            radar, and OLS, and computer system?

            They can replace all this. They talked about the same radar with AFAR in 2005, in 2008 they showed it to the exhibition.
            In 2019, Israel sold $ 7,203 billion in arms. Their structure:
            Radar and electronic warfare systems - 17%;
            missiles and air defense systems - 15%;
            manned aircraft and avionics - 13%;
            observation systems and electro-optics - 12%;
            fire systems and launchers - 10%;
            UAVs and multicopters - 8%;
            intelligence systems, information systems and cyber technologies - 7%;
            communication and communication systems - 7%;
            transport and armored vehicles - 4%;
            services and others - 3%;
            ammunition and weapons - 3%;
            marine systems - 1%.
            1. The eye of the crying
              The eye of the crying 8 October 2020 12: 01 New
              +1
              Quote: OgnennyiKotik
              They can replace all this.


              They can say they can replace. But 1) it is not at all a fact that they can 2) not a fact that they would be allowed.

              Quote: OgnennyiKotik
              They talked about the same radar with AFAR in 2005, in 2008 they showed it to the exhibition.


              It means about nothing. Because the radar is not a cube that can be replaced with another cube.

              Quote: OgnennyiKotik
              In 2019, Israel sold $ 7,203 billion in arms.


              Generally irrelevant.
  5. OgnennyiKotik
    OgnennyiKotik 8 October 2020 09: 34 New
    -5
    Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
    "With all the wealth of choice, there is no other alternative."

    Quite right. For the money that the F35A is bought, there are no alternatives. The F35A costs $ 80-90 million, competitors with similar capabilities are just starting with 120 million. There are simply no F35B analogues. The F16 became the most massive, and the MiG 29 was the most downed aircraft of the 4th generation, not because of its flight characteristics. The whole complex is important, network-centric systems, avionics, and not paper flight characteristics that still need to be achieved.
    1. Engineer
      Engineer 8 October 2020 11: 52 New
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      Still too optimistic
      https://www.f35.com/about/cost
      At the end of 2019, the F-35A cost FROM 90 million, and this is the price for the plane
      The F-35A unit price, including aircraft and engine

      It is necessary to look at the structure of a specific contract, which may also include pilot training and other things.

      Zy Su-35 due to the collapse of the ruble may be cheaper
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 8 October 2020 12: 03 New
        -2
        Quote: Engineer
        It is necessary to look at the structure of a specific contract, which may also include pilot training and other things.

        I agree. In foreign sources, prices jumped 79,9 million per unit. The Polish contract has infa about 87 million per unit. In any case, less than 100 million. About the Su 35 there is infa about 104 million dollars, there is no other data. About the Polish contract:
        The contract value amounted to $ 4,6 billion, in addition to supplying the aircraft themselves, each of which cost Poland $ 87 million, it includes training for Polish pilots, the supply of flight simulators, as well as logistics support. Pilot training will begin in 2024, it will take place in the United States, Poland will receive the first F-35s in 2026.
        1. Engineer
          Engineer 8 October 2020 12: 15 New
          +2
          Let's dig a little more
          https://inosmi.ru/military/20180614/242475904.html
          $ 104 million for
          under the contract with Russia, the cost of the fighter also includes personnel training, airborne weapons, spare parts for engines, and equipment

          Polish contract per piece -144 million (32 pieces for 4.6 billion)
          Training is included and probably some other goodies.

          Su-35 for 2018 is more profitable in the first approximation.

          The ruble exchange rate at the beginning of 2018 is 57 rubles per dollar. Now 75. That is, Drying can be sold at 80 apiece with training
        2. g1washntwn
          g1washntwn 8 October 2020 12: 36 New
          0
          Quote: OgnennyiKotik
          as well as logistic support

          This is precisely the most powerful weapon of the United States. The first month there was a discount on the action, and then it started ... In addition, a convenient switch for "partners" in NATO so as not to twitch from the party line. Erdogan and S-400. Is not it so?
  • Filxnumx
    Filxnumx 9 October 2020 20: 14 New
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    And yet, why did you decide that this "bucket of nuts" must certainly be compared with something? You were told for THIS pepelats, and you answered: "myself!" And this is argumentation, I ask you?
    And it’s in vain that you express joy so violently for the numbers of release and flight time: for one summer it will be a little less than 55 flight hours per year (and then from 2012) !. Behind such "intensity" you still have to find and find all sorts of sores. And 570 (even more as of 01.10.2020) of the collected specimens leads to sad thoughts, sho "to be friends against" "light elves of tan", together with vassals, are collected not by high skill, but by a rough number. And until the complete eradication of any signs of all organic life.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 8 October 2020 07: 20 New
    -3
    For these purposes, there are destroyers and cruisers from Aegis. Japan, Korea and the USA.
  • Livonetc
    Livonetc 8 October 2020 07: 56 New
    +1
    "In 2007, Lockheed Martin received $ 3 million to carry out work and testing of air-to-air missiles to destroy both missile systems and launching missiles. The tests conducted in 2014 were successful."
    The sum of $ 3 million is not a typo?
  • Revolver
    Revolver 8 October 2020 07: 59 New
    +5
    And here, Roman, let me disagree with you. Yes, UNTIL Kim will not reach America, but hell knows what is drawn there on the drawing boards of his engineers. And even if you believe that nothing is being drawn, Japan is still an ally of the United States, with the corresponding obligations, and in the zone of destruction of these very missiles. So the task of countering these missiles by any means, including the F-35, has not been canceled. And taking into account the fact that the time for bringing these missiles on open launchers into combat readiness is calculated for many hours, and the satellites revolve around the ball and see everything, there should just be enough time for several F-35s, accompanied by tankers, to fly from Japan to missile launch line. And if they are based in South Korea, they will do without tankers.
    As for South Korea (also, by the way, a US ally and a probable target for Kim), then the main danger here is not from large, but piecemeal missiles, but from dozens, if not hundreds of old, almost still wartime, Soviet barreled artillery set up along the border in concrete fortifications, capable of covering Seoul within minutes of ordering. Even if we assume that in 5 minutes they will be suppressed by return fire (the estimate is more than optimistic), these are hundreds of HE shells of large (mainly 152 mm) caliber that will plow Seoul so that Mommy don’t worry. And even if Israel sells to the South Koreans all the available installations and missiles of the Iron Dome (which will not happen), so many shells, with all the desire, will not be intercepted with the technical level available anywhere on the planet today.
    1. ZEMCH
      ZEMCH 10 October 2020 13: 15 New
      +1
      Quote: Nagan
      And here, Roman, let me disagree with you. Yes, UNTIL Kim gets to America

      Kim gets to the US bases, which are key in this region, for example Guam.
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  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 8 October 2020 10: 02 New
    +5
    IMHO, an owl on the globe in the article.

    Just include logic.
    Korea threatens Japan (a US ally), Japan has F35, America tests and sells missiles and techniques primarily to Japan for their F35, does something for itself, and continues to develop the technology further for itself and for sale.

    $ 3 million for testing - it's just almost nothing ...

    No one is going to wind up F35 without it, the release and sales continue (to the envy of competitors)

    And only in hurray-articles owls and globes ... "However, everything is as usual"
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 8 October 2020 10: 19 New
      0
      Quote: Max1995
      And only in hurray-articles owls and globes ... "However, everything is as usual"

      Quite right. In addition to allies in the Asia-Pacific region, the United States has many bases. They need to be protected.
  • Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 8 October 2020 10: 27 New
    -3
    First, make a spinning stick with a cotton swab, and then figure out how to sell it as an automatic ear pick. They spent the money, riveted the planes and then it turned out that in modern realities they are useless expensive rubbish, now they are thinking about what else to knock out money for.
    It is not so easy to shoot down an ICBM, this requires a very short reaction of a fighter from the moment an ICBM is launched to the moment an air-to-air missile is launched; you certainly can't hide. It also needs a new large-size super-high-speed rocket, and the F20 has limited interior space.
  • The eye of the crying
    The eye of the crying 8 October 2020 10: 52 New
    +3
    What a blessing that there is North Korea! And she has rockets! Right then, Mr. President Trump deployed the aircraft carriers, very right. As I knew directly that the Koreans would come in handy.


    Why this clownery? There is nothing to write about - do not write. However, this can be said about the entire article.
  • Hermit21
    Hermit21 8 October 2020 11: 01 New
    +4
    And in their opinion (which we, if we dispute, then only slightly), the F-35, which can do almost everything in air combat, will now receive a new option: to shoot down intercontinental ballistic missiles.


    Not a word more, just tell their dealer's phone number
  • iouris
    iouris 8 October 2020 11: 06 New
    -4
    Che, Kim can only launch rockets with Trump's permission?
  • yehat2
    yehat2 8 October 2020 11: 55 New
    0
    Quote: voyaka uh
    The plane took place

    how to say
    functionally it seems to be ready, but real readiness is constantly in question
    in addition, its content is so high that in fact the content of 1 f-35 leads to the retirement of 2 other machines from the balance sheet.
    And this is where the problem arises, because there is no one to cover the f-35s themselves, and, accordingly, the ability to impose a battle from stealth distances is greatly reduced.
    In general, the F-35 remains, though a real aircraft, but with uncertain prospects and, oddly enough, with still a bunch of unsolved problems.
    I suspect that its existence is now associated with the development of UAV and drone programs.
    So it seems to me that you were in a hurry. Israel relies in its doctrine on the very difficult air counterattack capabilities, so the view from there is not entirely objective.
  • Undecim
    Undecim 8 October 2020 12: 15 New
    +6
    As long as the author sculpts his fiery political pamphlets, it is normal. But when it comes to technology, the lack of basic knowledge and logic immediately affects.
    Was it really hard to figure out how to overlay a map of the countries that had already bought the F-35 on the range of North Korean missiles? And then it turns out that for Australia, South Korea, Japan, Singapore, and potentially for Indonesia, the "anti-missile" option will be very much in demand.
    In general, it causes sincere laughter when numerous "experts" from the Internet try to be smarter than American arms manufacturers.
  • Berg berg
    Berg berg 8 October 2020 15: 28 New
    -2
    What became clear from the article F-35 putrid rotten rotten no one needed! and if this plane is bought from America, it is only because they cannot refuse! Well, in their right mind, you need an airplane with half-cut characteristics if you have a fist in front of your nose - they say if you don't buy, you'll get it in the muzzles!
  • Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 8 October 2020 16: 49 New
    +3
    In fact, so far, all missiles designed in North Korea do not threaten the United States in any way. Simply because they are all unable to reach US territory.

    If the DPRK does not have such missiles, then they cannot be shot down.
    And if, after all, the DPRK has such missiles, then they have already been "shot down" more than once, of course on paper, and a Boeing with a laser, and a drone with a rocket, and now the F-35.
    A common missile like AMRAAM is suitable for intercepting up to a height of about 25-30 km. For this, the F-35 must approach at such a distance to the launch site of the ICBM that it can be seen with the naked eye.
    To intercept the atmosphere, above 100 km, a more powerful rocket must be suspended and fired from the F-35. But the problem here is that at this altitude ICBMs on their way from the DPRK to the United States pass in space over the territory of Russia or very close. So the F-35 must be patrolled into Russian airspace, otherwise it won't catch up with the ICBM.
  • mark2
    mark2 8 October 2020 18: 09 New
    +3
    I read all the comments. No one wondered how to guess when the 300 seconds countdown will start? And this time is enough to aim the 35th on the target. Everyone rushed to debate the technical possibility of 35 to do this.
    Poplar is ready to fire in 2 minutes, but how long for Koreans? 300 seconds is from the moment of launch or from the moment of starting the deployment of the launch installation.
    The impression is that the Americans do not anticipate the factor of surprise. Eun will probably warn them in advance.
  • alex-sherbakov48
    alex-sherbakov48 9 October 2020 07: 29 New
    0
    There are too many unknowns to solve the problem of intercepting a missile at launch. Well, first of all, you need to know the launch time to the nearest second. And who will inform the amers? Spies? Option, but for this you need to have them. Secondly, you need to know the place from which this rocket will fly - there are probably not one, but several of them in the DPRK, how to guess from which place the rocket will fly? And thirdly, the fighter must be exactly in this place and at this time, and this is already a question of questions - who will allow them there.
  • Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 9 October 2020 10: 14 New
    0
    One Israeli F-35 has already been shot down. So now they are sitting and turnips scratching what to do. Still, the Syrians will be able to finish building the OTRK missile plant with the help of the Iranians, then the Americans and Jews will become sour. In response to their airstrikes on Israel and American bases on their territory, they will hit with rockets ..
    1. Tom Johnson
      Tom Johnson 14 October 2020 03: 46 New
      0
      Israelis wants 50 more F-35 and F-15SE. The F-15SE has an improved wing, wing load characteristics and more hard points as well as the same radar as the F-35, and a computer that can process 87 Billion instructions per second. F-15SE is a "Missile Truck" and the F-35 can send digital requests for direct action again targets both in the air and on the surface to the F-15. F-35 is a "sniper" calling in "artillery" from the F-15.
  • peter rusin_2
    peter rusin_2 9 October 2020 11: 38 New
    0
    The North Koreans need to sue in New York for the illegal use of the DPRK Brand as a worldwide evil, and thus causing severe moral suffering.
  • shonsu
    shonsu 9 October 2020 12: 20 New
    +1
    An ICBM launches a load into space after 300 seconds. In general, I wonder how you can react during this time, take off, aim and shoot down? Moreover, a rocket from an airplane. I can also believe that this can be done by deployed missile defense systems in Yu. Korea or Japan, but the planes simply won't have time to take off.
  • Brodyaga19
    Brodyaga19 10 October 2020 21: 41 New
    +1
    As I understand it, an aircraft cannot launch missiles from the ground, then the question is how will it shoot down missiles at the initial stage of flight? By the time it takes off, the train (rocket) will leave!
  • Tom Johnson
    Tom Johnson 14 October 2020 03: 40 New
    0
    This is 3 year old news! As for concept and implementation for BMD, as a spotter sending data to a DDG armed with SM-3 Block I and SM-3 Block II as well as SM-6, and then triggering a launch from the F-35 via NIFC-CA ... frequencies. Launch at the US and they will shoot your missile down and shoot something bigger back at the launch site before you missile crosses the horizon.
  • Tom Johnson
    Tom Johnson 14 October 2020 03: 48 New
    0
    North Korea just gave the Japanese a new reason to get back to AEGIS ASHORE.
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion 14 October 2020 15: 50 New
    0
    And the North Koreans were given their share of the cut?
  • whitebeard
    whitebeard 14 October 2020 19: 32 New
    0
    You can, of course, laugh, but the air defense of YuzhKor and Yapiya must somehow be reliably provided, because they can account for the largest number of relatively cheap short- and medium-range missiles. And ground air defense can be insufficiently effective at such a distance and number of launches. So the one who has something to laugh laughs well;)
  • Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 15 October 2020 10: 51 New
    0
    Quote: Tom Johnson
    This is 3 year old news! As for concept and implementation for BMD, as a spotter sending data to a DDG armed with SM-3 Block I and SM-3 Block II as well as SM-6, and then triggering a launch from the F-35 via NIFC-CA ... frequencies. Launch at the US and they will shoot your missile down and shoot something bigger back at the launch site before you missile crosses the horizon.


    The fact is that before launching, all satellites will be destroyed or damaged by electronic warfare means, both in the launch area and along the rocket's flight path. So you won't get a target designation right away. And when the bus throws warheads at targets, it will be difficult to intercept them.
  • PIT
    PIT 15 October 2020 14: 44 New
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    tin authors really compare North Korea and the United States? you collapsed from the oak? you will also calculate the balance of forces and the chances of winning a fly caught in a spider's web ... or a dragonfly flying into a car's glass ... Compare and count equal countries, and with equal countries, SCHOPIA loses in all respects ...
  • Freedim
    Freedim 16 October 2020 00: 14 New
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    In some cases, the light at the end of the tunnel can be a train ...
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra 16 October 2020 00: 50 New
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    And in their opinion (which we, if we dispute, then only slightly), the F-35, which can do almost everything in air combat anyway

    BGG))) He can't even fly supersonic - the coating falls off. That's that he is not capable of doing anything - that's true, because he flunked the state acceptance. They are masters of telling stories about him. It was only on May 19 that the F-35 crashed because the pilot's helmet-mounted information output stupidly left the helmet, there is simply no dubbing, so the pilot flew through the Belomor pack ... And you can spin tales about the price to American storytellers - as a result of calculating losses "events" is called the actual cost of the aircraft - $ 175,983,949. laughing
  • Alexex
    Alexex Yesterday, 23: 20 New
    0
    Собираются постоянно дежурить над Северной Кореей или корейцы заранее им сообщать время и место запуска??