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How strong is the firepower of tanks in the combat units of the Russian army?

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From the rather interesting article "Status Overview tank troops of the Armed Forces of Russia ", published on the basis of open sources, it follows that in combat units of the Russian army in 86 tank battalions there are 2685 tanks of various modifications T-72, T-80, T-90 and about 400 T-72 tanks in training centers. The composition of the tank fleet by types of tanks and their number in the troops can be presented in the following table.



Based on this information and based on the number and types of tanks in the combat units of the Russian army, it is possible to assess their technical level and capabilities, for example, according to one of the main criteria - the firepower of a tank. Firepower is determined by the main, auxiliary and secondary armament of the tank, the used ammunition and fire control systems.

All these tanks are equipped with modifications of the 2A46 cannon and the same machine guns as auxiliary and additional weapons. The use of the same gun makes it possible to use on all tanks a full set of existing and prospective artillery ammunition, limiting only the length of promising ammunition due to the sweeping of the automatic loader.

The effectiveness of the use of the weapons of these tanks is seriously different in terms of the ability to conduct effective fire due to the fundamentally different sighting systems of the gunner and commander and the tank's fire control systems.

According to the structure of fire control systems, these tanks can be divided into two groups: the T-72B, T-72BA, T-72B3, T-72B3M family of tanks and the T-80BV, T-8BVM, T-80U, T90A family of tanks.

Firepower of the T-72 family of tanks


The T-72 family of tanks has never had a full-fledged integrated MSA. The concept of sighting systems on them turned out to be far from the best; over time, simplified sights and devices were installed on tanks without serious linking into a single whole. In terms of fire efficiency, they were significantly inferior to the second group of tanks, and this trend extended to the latest models of tanks of this family.

Tanks T-72B and T-72BA are equipped with the simplest sighting systems, laid down in the distant 60s on the T-64A tank. The gunner's sighting system 1A40-1 of the T-72B tank (1985) and the T-72BA tank (1999) is based on the 1K13 sight without stabilization of the field of view with a night channel, providing a range of vision in the passive mode of 500 m and in the active mode of 1200 m. the sight has a built-in laser channel of the Svir guided weapon for firing only from the spot with a 9M119 laser-guided missile at 1200 m at night and at a range of up to 4000 m during the day.

The TPD-K1 sight was left as a backup sight. This is a modification of the TPD-2-49 sight with stabilization of the field of view only vertically, into which a laser rangefinder was built. Instead of TBV, there is a ballistic corrector for entering meteorological ballistic corrections into the sight to develop aiming angles and lateral lead, while the gunner must shift the aiming mark by the lead angle. The commander's sighting system includes the simplest unstabilized day-night sight TKN-3MK with a night vision range of up to 500 m, that is, the commander's ability to detect targets is much worse than that of the gunner.

On the T-72B3 (2011) tank, instead of the 1K13 sight, the Sosna-U multichannel sight with stabilization of the field of view vertically and horizontally is installed, containing an optical and thermal imaging channel with a night vision range of up to 3500 m, a laser guidance channel for a Reflex-M guided missile », Laser rangefinder and automatic target tracking with the output of the field of view on the gunner's and commander's monitors. The sight provides shooting from a standstill and on the move with a Reflex-M rocket at a distance of up to 5000 m.

The ballistic corrector calculates the aiming and lead angles and automatically enters them into the gun drives. At the same time, the Sosna U sight is located to the left of the TPD-K1 sight installed in the most optimal zone of the gunner's work, and when working with a multi-channel sight, it must deflect its body to the left, which creates serious difficulties in its work.

The commander's primitive sighting system based on the TKN-3MK day-night sight remained unchanged, while duplicate firing from the cannon from the commander's seat was implemented.

On the T-72B3M modification (2014), the commander finally got a perfect sighting system. Instead of TKN-3MK, a panoramic thermal imaging sight PK PAN "Falcon Eye" was installed with two-plane independent stabilization of the field of view, a laser rangefinder, television and thermal imaging channels, providing a range of vision during the day and at night up to 4000 m. The complex provides the commander with all-day and all-weather observation and search for targets, as well as effective firing from a cannon, coaxial and anti-aircraft machine guns.

Firepower of the T-80 and T-90 family of tanks


On another group of tanks (T-80BV, T-80BVM, T-80U and T-90A), a different principle of building an integrated control system was implemented, laid down on the T-64B (1976) and T-80B (1978) tanks and led to the implementation on the tank T-80U (1984) the most advanced MSA. The sighting system of the T-80BV tank includes a gunner's sight "Ob" with a two-plane system of stabilization of the field of view, an optical channel, a laser rangefinder and a receiving channel of the radio command guidance system of a guided missile "Cobra". The digital ballistic computer calculates the aiming and lead angles from weather ballistic data and automatically enters them into the gun drives. The gunner's sight was integrated with the Buran night sight, and remote control of the Utes anti-aircraft machine gun was provided through the TKN-3MK commander's sight.

A more advanced sighting system was installed on the T-80U tank, the Ob gunner's sight was replaced with an improved Irtysh sight with a laser guidance channel for the Reflex missile, and instead of the TKN-3MK commander's sight, the PKN-4S commander's day-night complex was installed with stabilization of the vertical field of view and night infrared channel with a vision range of 1000 m and providing remote control of the anti-aircraft installation and duplicated control of fire from the gun from the commander's seat.

In connection with the serious lag of the sighting systems of the T-72 family of tanks on the T-90 tank (1991), it was decided to install the gunner's sighting system 1A45 of the T-80U tank with the Irtysh sight and the Reflex guided weapons and the PKN-4S commander's sighting system , which immediately increased its firepower compared to the T-72B tank.

On the modernized T-90A tank (2006), the sighting system was seriously modernized, instead of the Buran gunner's night sight, a second-generation Essa thermal imager was installed with a night vision range of up to 3500 m and an automatic target tracking. The commander's sighting system has also undergone major changes. Instead of the PKN-4S sighting complex, a PK-5 combined telescopic sight was installed with independent stabilization of the field of view vertically and horizontally, a laser rangefinder, with television and thermal imaging channels providing a vision range of up to 3000 m. The introduction of a laser rangefinder into the sight allowed the commander to significantly to increase the effectiveness of duplicated firing from a cannon.

Not so long ago, the modernization of the T-80BV tanks to the level of the T-80BVM (2017) began, instead of the Essa thermal imaging sight and the Ob gunner's sight, a modernized Sosna-U multi-channel sight of the latest generation was installed with the replacement of the Cobra guided weapons by the Reflex -M ". It should be noted that all T-80BV tanks are subject to modernization to the T-80BVM level, since the production of the Ob gunner's sights and the Cobra guided weapons complex has long been discontinued.

Prospects for modernizing tanks


Today, only T-72B3M, T-90A, T-80BVM and T-80U tanks (651 out of 2685 tanks) have perfect sighting systems, which is 24% of the total fleet of tanks in combat units, that is, they are seriously inferior in firepower western designs.

A potential adversary has a much better situation in this matter, there, for a long time, on all modifications of tanks with M1A2 and Leopard 2A2, the gunner has installed multi-channel sights stabilized in two planes with visual and thermal imaging channels and laser rangefinders, and the commander has panoramic multi-channel sights with thermal imaging and television channels and laser rangefinders. Sighting systems are linked into a single digital tank control system, which ensures high efficiency of firing.

For Russian tanks, perfect sighting systems for the gunner and commander have already been developed, which are not inferior to Western models, but they have not yet come to their mass introduction on the existing generation of tanks in service. All this suggests that a serious modernization program is required for most of the tanks in combat units. Apparently, it is most advisable to gradually equip these tanks with a single unified Kalina fire control system, which includes a modernized multi-channel gunner's sight Sosna-U and a multi-channel panoramic sight of the commander's Falcon Eye, providing all-day and all-weather detection and destruction of targets by the gunner and commander with linking them into the digital information and control system of the tank. In terms of the effectiveness of firing, these tanks will be close to the level of the Armata tank or at its level.

At the same time, it is worth equipping the existing generation of tanks with a system of network-centric control of tanks on the battlefield and their interaction with a similar system of the Armata tank, which is so necessary at this stage, if it ever reaches the army.

The implementation of such a program largely depends on the capabilities of the industry for the production of components and component systems for the tank. In this regard, it is worth considering whether it is necessary to drive mass production of tanks with the same firepower that can be achieved cheaper by upgrading the existing fleet of tanks in the army and many thousands at storage bases.
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  1. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 18 September 2020 05: 16
    14
    Of course, patriots every day ask thousands of Armata for armament.
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 18 September 2020 15: 53
      13
      Today, only T-72B3M, T-90A, T-80BVM and T-80U tanks (651 out of 2685 tanks) have perfect sighting systems, which is 24% of the total fleet of tanks in combat units, that is, they are seriously inferior in firepower western designs.

      In other words, only on the basis of these data, the current armored component of the RF Army can be safely considered unfit for combat, not meeting current requirements. If you "dig" into the weakness of the available tank ammunition and outdated armor protection, the conclusions will be even sadder. Is it only against the disgruntled "natives" as part of the "under-duelist guard" will do. Obviously, in the opinion of the Gauleiters, this is enough.
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 18 September 2020 19: 33
        +4
        "The best radar is the samurai's eye looking through the scope." (c)
        1. Lexus
          Lexus 18 September 2020 20: 09
          +3
          hi Straight into the crosshair ... From the "street", not from your tank (highly desirable) ..
      2. Boris Chernikov
        Boris Chernikov 18 September 2020 23: 28
        11
        I wonder why the author forgot to include the T-72b3 in the list of those with sights? Oh yes ... 24% and 651 sounds impressive, not like 1 vehicles and 200% ...
      3. Volder
        Volder 19 September 2020 22: 58
        +5
        Quote: lexus
        If you "dig" into the weakness of the available tank ammunition and outdated armor protection, the conclusions will be even sadder.
        We have normal ammunition there, we even have guided ones. And the armor is supposedly outdated compared to what? Western armor? I beg you ... do not tell my slippers!
      4. English tarantas
        English tarantas 21 September 2020 00: 07
        0
        consider incapable

        Well, why all at once disappeared, so the author mentioned the Leopards and Abrams, the joke is that the same Americans have a ratio two times better than "651 tanks out of 2685". Only a two-fold superiority, and if you count the NATO hundreds and dozens .......
        the infirmity of available tank ammunition and outdated armor protection

        And yes, the shells were not delivered, although the DZ armor pulls out well, although the last one was normally closed 72B
    2. w70
      w70 19 September 2020 10: 56
      0
      Generals always prepare for the last war, but in Russia reserve sergeants are also preparing for it
    3. Stalllker
      Stalllker 20 September 2020 02: 21
      0
      I think these are not patriots, but trolls demand
  2. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 18 September 2020 05: 27
    +7
    It is sad.
    86 tank battalions have 2685 tanks of various modifications T-72, T-80, T-90, and about 400 T-72 tanks in training centers.

    There are only 80 T-90s and T-500s, and in training manuals, is it worth counting the dead.
    1. svp67
      svp67 18 September 2020 13: 34
      11
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      There are only 80 T-90s and T-500s, and in training manuals, is it worth counting the dead.

      "Killed" at rembases. And the table does not indicate the number of tanks in various storage bases and tank reserve bases ...)))
      And in general, the article contains a number of inaccuracies that hurt the eye, especially knowing that it was written by a person who worked for a long time in the field of designing tanks
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 18 September 2020 14: 46
        +1
        Quote: svp67
        "Killed" at rembases. And the table does not indicate the number of tanks in various storage bases and tank reserve bases ...)))

        There is simply no such information in open sources. In addition, they actively take from there. The T-80 in the Far East was already taken from storage bach because it was necessary to somehow block the border with Ukraine. T-72 B3M mainly went there.
        It goes without saying about Syria and Donbass. So how much "liquidation" there is is a question.
        1. Romario_Argo
          Romario_Argo 18 September 2020 16: 06
          +8
          There is simply no such information in open sources.

          It is more correct to consider the firepower of a tank, even a T-72B3, as a strengthening of a motorized rifle platoon, in the format of a company of 3 platoons:
          to the platoon:
          1. on 3 BMP-2M (Bakhcha-U)
          3 2A72 (30-mm to 4-km) 12 ATGM (5 km), 3 PKT (7,62x54 - 1,5 km), 3 PKM (7,62x39 - 1,5 km), 24 AK
          2. on 3 BMP-3
          3 2A46 (100 mm up to 6 km) + 8 SD (5 km)
          3 2A72 (30 mm to 4 km), 3 PKT (7,62x54 - 1,5 km), 3 PKM (7,62x39 - 1,5 km), 15 AK
          and this is where it reveals itself (+) sector tank sight T-72B3 to defeat heavy armored vehicles in sectors of neighboring platoons
          кOr in short, to understand this you need to draw a map of fire, with relief, landmarks, etc.
          - without this, no where, it's useless to do scribbling here
          1. Thomas N.
            Thomas N. 19 September 2020 08: 32
            +4
            Quote: Romario_Argo
            to the platoon:
            2. on 3 BMP-3
            3 2A46 (100 mm up to 6 km) + 8 SD (5 km)

            2A46 is a 125 mm tank gun
        2. Lexus
          Lexus 18 September 2020 16: 07
          -3
          It goes without saying about Syria and Donbass.

          hi About the ostentatious "Tank Biathlon", in which the equipment consumes an already meager motor resource and is frankly buried by the "Papuans", in the key of its "beneficiaries", everything is also clear.
          1. svp67
            svp67 18 September 2020 20: 05
            +8
            Quote: lexus
            About the ostentatious "Tank Biathlon", in which the equipment consumes an already meager motor resource and is frankly buried by the "Papuans",

            This is an ADVERTISING COMPANY selling our tanks
            1. Lexus
              Lexus 18 September 2020 21: 16
              0
              Sergei, with dubious success. The contracts already signed have been implemented exclusively on Soviet "tracks" or out of political motives, but have nothing to do with window dressing. No new buyers! And what do they want to entice them with? This?



              Can you imagine the order of the sums spent on this "show"? No, “biathlon”, like other “olympiad-championships” of defective managers, “didn't shoot” and is absolutely unprofitable. Moreover, given the fact that it distracts already scarce resources from rearming the RF Armed Forces with new equipment, it is criminally harmful.
              1. Boris Chernikov
                Boris Chernikov 18 September 2020 23: 33
                +1
                laughing Well, the support services were crap ... by the way, the next day they shot normally
                1. Lexus
                  Lexus 18 September 2020 23: 49
                  -3
                  Did they have to move the targets vigorously to catch the TUR? Enter, perhaps, into the "hero carriage" so that the mothers of normal boys do not mourn.
                  1. Boris Chernikov
                    Boris Chernikov 18 September 2020 23: 57
                    +1
                    request and I have to do with if some boobies did not check the ATGMs before launches, while others did not calibrate the gun and the control system?
                    1. Alf
                      Alf 19 September 2020 13: 09
                      +2
                      Quote: Boris Chernikov
                      request and I have to do with if some boobies did not check the ATGMs before launches, while others did not calibrate the gun and the control system?

                      And these are the best crews ... And we laugh at the Chinese tanks, whose tracks broke and the roller fell off ...
                      1. Boris Chernikov
                        Boris Chernikov 21 September 2020 09: 10
                        +1
                        1) who told you that these are the best crews?
                        2) if the rules of work by the reindeer in the warehouse were violated, how can the crew influence this?
                      2. Alf
                        Alf 21 September 2020 18: 55
                        0
                        Quote: Boris Chernikov
                        1) who told you that these are the best crews?

                        Do you think that flyers are sent to such competitions from a corner forgotten by God?
                        Quote: Boris Chernikov
                        2) if the rules of work by the reindeer in the warehouse were violated, how can the crew influence this?

                        Actually, before a competition of SUCH level, the materiel must be checked three times.
                      3. Boris Chernikov
                        Boris Chernikov 21 September 2020 20: 20
                        0
                        laughing yeah, schaz .. there is a carriage and a small cart .. or tell me that three times someone checked the missiles and did not see that they were gone?
              2. Passing
                Passing 19 September 2020 11: 06
                +1
                Well, several missiles did not hit, what is the crime? Obviously, the probability of defeat cannot be 100%. Even for more advanced missiles, it is far from 100%, to say nothing of extremely primitive tank complexes. Now, if they brought the total number of launches, and calculated the percentage of hits, it would be meaningful.
          2. SAG
            SAG 19 September 2020 11: 31
            +5
            Can you imagine the order of the sums spent on this "show"?

            Yes, that's right, let the old Soviet shells get expensive in warehouses, and the tankers sit in parts and paint the grass, which is preparing intensively for combat. Straight bravo. Let's not train anyone for the Olympic Games ... You generally imagine the order of numbers for the training of tens of thousands of athletes and the entire infrastructure. It would be better to be silent, not to show their stupidity.
            1. English tarantas
              English tarantas 21 September 2020 00: 20
              -2
              So our athletes show good results at the Olympiads and the sport pays off. And here they still spend more, and the image only falls: "let's show the whole world for huge money what kind of oblique weapon we have." They would shoot themselves with practical blanks ...
          3. svp67
            svp67 19 September 2020 11: 41
            +1
            Quote: lexus
            and what do they want to lure them with? This?

            There are always "punctures" and the main thing is to draw conclusions from them in time and prevent them from happening again.
          4. Crimean partisan 1974
            Crimean partisan 1974 20 September 2020 13: 02
            0
            No new buyers! And what do they want to lure them with? ......... it’s not possible ..... here’s an ambush ..... in principle, the Kornet ATGM is practically the same as the tank Reflex ....... Prove that armored vehicles of Western countries did not burn in Syria and Iraq. including the vaunted leo and measurements ?????? Well prove it
    2. Volder
      Volder 19 September 2020 23: 06
      -1
      Quote: Odyssey
      It goes without saying about Syria and Donbass.
      There are no Russian tanks from the regular army of the Russian Federation. Perhaps Syria bought export versions of the T-72 with coarse characteristics, but that was a long time ago, and the tanks in any case belong to Syria and cannot be taken into account in statistics. Well, you have no proof about Donbass ...
  3. Boris Chernikov
    Boris Chernikov 18 September 2020 23: 32
    +3
    There is no link to all the tanks, because the list was compiled by the respected altyn73 and he collected all the tanks that he could according to publications ... and the author, yes, a few facts hang out
  • Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 18 September 2020 05: 30
    +1
    It would be nice, of course, to have all the best. But that's what the talent of a commander is for, in order to achieve the maximum possible result with the available means.
  • sen
    sen 18 September 2020 05: 34
    +3
    All T-72 tanks of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are being upgraded to the T-72B3M modification. At the end of the Army Games - 2020, this was announced by the head of the Russian Ministry of Defense Sergei Shoigu.
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 18 September 2020 05: 41
      12
      and by 2030, they will be upgrading to the T-72B4M modification, there is room to strive ...
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 18 September 2020 06: 22
        21
        I am generally shocked that the troops still have those modifications on which I still served!
        1. mmaxx
          mmaxx 18 September 2020 07: 18
          10
          Yeah. It sucked in those days. Still, you can't. It was all right to fight the Chinese in those days. And with NATO - no chance.
          1. _Ugene_
            _Ugene_ 19 September 2020 21: 54
            -2
            And with NATO - no chance.
            to fight with NATO in any case without a chance, the scale is not the same, compare the economy of the Russian Federation and all NATO countries, therefore our strategic nuclear forces are our everything, and the rest of the army is for local conflicts
            1. Volder
              Volder 19 September 2020 23: 21
              -2
              Quote: _Ugene_
              And to fight with NATO in any case without a chance, the scale is not the same, compare the economy of the Russian Federation and all NATO countries
              What does the economy have to do with it? Do you think that the German economy in 1939 was better and more powerful than all those European countries combined, which surrendered to the mercy of the Wehrmacht? Russia has more tanks, MLRS, all kinds of missiles and artillery than NATO. Half of NATO's equipment is incapable of combat, which they themselves publicly admit.
              1. _Ugene_
                _Ugene_ 20 September 2020 16: 26
                -1
                do not compare with the year 39, now the ratio of conventional forces between NATO and the Russian Federation is far from in our favor and the lag is only growing
              2. English tarantas
                English tarantas 21 September 2020 00: 24
                +1
                Do you think that the German economy in 1939 was better and more powerful than all those European countries combined, which surrendered to the mercy of the Wehrmacht?

                Excluding France, each individual economy is weaker, some collectively weaker. But the British, for example, although they ran out of money, but the Lend-Lease gave them the economy and crushed them.
        2. svp67
          svp67 18 September 2020 13: 35
          11
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          I am generally shocked that the troops still have those modifications on which I still served!

          You will be even more shocked to learn that there are tanks in storage on which the "grandfathers" served ...)))
          1. The leader of the Redskins
            The leader of the Redskins 18 September 2020 15: 03
            +8
            About the bins of the Motherland is a separate conversation. Everything can be found there. And "revolvers", probably, have been stocked up for half of the country.
            But the fact that "Svir" is still in operation ...
            1. svp67
              svp67 18 September 2020 20: 03
              0
              Quote: Leader of the Redskins
              But the Svir is still in service ..

              Almost not ... have not been released for a long time, and those that are already in the majority for analysis
          2. MrFox
            MrFox 26 September 2020 10: 17
            0
            When he served as an urgent officer, the officers said that new carts were still in storage warehouses.
            DMB-85
        3. English tarantas
          English tarantas 21 September 2020 00: 22
          0
          Yeah, this was not the case during the wild west)
    2. Boris Chernikov
      Boris Chernikov 18 September 2020 23: 36
      0
      winked here is an important point ... how many of those T-72s will remain ... now there are about 1 cars, but they will look at three things:
      1) the world situation;
      2) the cost of T-14;
      3) The price of T-90M or T-72B Breakthrough-2 .. let's say so
  • apro
    apro 18 September 2020 05: 38
    12
    It is interesting to consider the power of tank subunits in tanks, but tanks are a part and, moreover, not the most important one. Much more important means of providing ... self-propelled guns, air defense equipment, reconnaissance, engineering support, and infantry filling. If one of these elements is eliminated then power catastrophically zero. the tank, no matter how good it is ... in a single question does not solve ...
    1. English tarantas
      English tarantas 21 September 2020 00: 26
      0
      if one of these elements ... is zeroed ....... does not solve a single question ...

      Cho forgive me?
  • Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 18 September 2020 06: 23
    +1
    I don't see any major conflicts. There's nowhere to rush.
    I see color revolutions, sanctions, the destructive role of the Central Bank and the Ministry of Finance as branches of the IMF and FRS.
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 18 September 2020 23: 14
      +1
      Quote: Tank jacket
      I don't see any major conflicts.

      And when you see you think we will have enough time and money for rearmament?
      1. Tank jacket
        Tank jacket 18 September 2020 23: 17
        0
        Yes. We have a tank conveyor ... What do you have? Car service for four)
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 18 September 2020 23: 47
          0
          I'm glad that you have a tank conveyor in your basement, riveting tanks at a thousand per minute. This will undoubtedly save Russia in difficult times.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 18 September 2020 06: 28
    -7
    Armata tank for parades ...
  • Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 18 September 2020 07: 35
    +7
    Quote: parusnik
    Armata tank for parades ...

    The USSR's tank superiority did not save it from collapse. The war is cold ...
    1. apro
      apro 18 September 2020 07: 55
      20
      Quote: Tank jacket
      The USSR's tank superiority did not save it from collapse.

      So it's all about the tanks ??? Or someone weakened by the head ...
      1. Tank jacket
        Tank jacket 18 September 2020 08: 58
        +3
        War is a complex of measures aimed at capturing foreign natural, energy and human resources.
        Russian President Vladimir Putin took part in the Action Forum. Regions ”, which was held by the All-Russian Popular Front (ONF) in Yoshkar-Ola (Mari-El). This was reported today, April 25, 2016 by the Kremlin press service
        The question was raised about the information war against the Russian Federation. Putin agreed that there is indeed an information war against Russia. The head of state recalled his first presidential term, when he had to resolve a difficult conflict in the North Caucasus.

        “You may have forgotten a little, but I remember everything: during the active events and difficult events in the Caucasus, I heard enough of myself and saw enough,” Putin said.

        The president also agreed that an information war is the reaction of Russia's “opponents” to strengthening the country.

        “Very few people need an effective, sovereign player, they are trying to besiege him. If they behaved quieter than water below the grass, they would be good for everyone, but they would lose their significance, and the next step would be the loss of sovereignty and prospects for the future, ”the President stressed.

        Putin added that Russia's "opponents" would come up with some kind of information attacks on Victory Day, Duma and presidential elections.

        In addition, the Russian leader criticized the participation of foreign foundations in Russian education. Putin said that according to his data, in Russia, education, not only preschool, but also school, "is engaged in everyone, anyone - some foreign funds climb, finance someone."
        1. apro
          apro 18 September 2020 09: 02
          12
          Quote: Tank jacket
          In addition, the Russian leader criticized the participation of foreign foundations in Russian education.

          The key phrase ... first, these foundations, non-profit organizations gain access to the informational educational space of Russia ... and then wonder what they are doing wrong ... why did they let it in? Or again a multi-move?
          1. Volder
            Volder 19 September 2020 23: 27
            0
            Quote: apro
            or again a multi-pass?
            This is democracy.
        2. Alf
          Alf 18 September 2020 12: 26
          +4
          Quote: Tank jacket
          In addition, the Russian leader criticized the participation of foreign foundations in Russian education. Putin said that according to his data, in Russia, education, not only preschool, but also school, "is engaged in everyone, anyone - some foreign funds climb, finance someone."

          And what measures did he take?
          1. Tank jacket
            Tank jacket 18 September 2020 12: 38
            +3
            Is the law on foreigners suitable?
            1. Alf
              Alf 18 September 2020 13: 01
              +3
              Quote: Tank jacket
              Is the law on foreigners suitable?

              With what result is it applied? And is it applied at all?
              1. Tank jacket
                Tank jacket 18 September 2020 13: 17
                +4
                Have you heard of fines even at book fairs? Memorial shot at 600 tr. 4 September...
                1. novel66
                  novel66 18 September 2020 13: 28
                  +4
                  fine? I have to beat ... something bloodthirsty today ...
                  1. Tank jacket
                    Tank jacket 18 September 2020 15: 26
                    0
                    Roman, the ruble is more painful bully
                2. Alf
                  Alf 18 September 2020 13: 49
                  +4
                  Quote: Tank jacket
                  Have you heard of fines even at book fairs? Memorial shot at 600 tr. 4 September...

                  Who is Memorial? What does it really affect? No matter what. But those who actually influence the development of the country are not even touched by a finger. The same Ministry of Culture or Ministry of Education.
                3. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 18 September 2020 15: 46
                  20
                  Quote: Tank jacket
                  Memorial shotgun for 600 tr

                  When will Yeltsin Center ogreb? wink
                  The list of foreign agents should be seriously expanded, including all government officials who invest gold reserves in the debt obligations of the countries of potential adversaries, and managers of state corporations who spin money in ovshore.
                  PS Note - I'm not drowning for the Memorial! wink
                  1. Tank jacket
                    Tank jacket 18 September 2020 15: 49
                    -4
                    How did you vote on the Constitution?
                    1. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 18 September 2020 15: 54
                      +8
                      I do not go to events that are not provided for by the electoral legislation.
                      What's the connection with my comment? Moreover, most of the amendments are spoilers. Such as the Russian language, territorial integrity.
                      1. Tank jacket
                        Tank jacket 18 September 2020 15: 55
                        -6
                        And I'm too lazy to explain, don't blame me ...
                      2. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 18 September 2020 17: 29
                        +2
                        Quote: Tank jacket
                        And I'm too lazy to explain, don't blame me

                        What nonsense - I told you in plain text that I did not go to the vote.
                      3. Tank jacket
                        Tank jacket 18 September 2020 17: 32
                        -7
                        It's all the same laziness, mother ...
                        What will Putin say on 22.09.2020/XNUMX/XNUMX?
                        And what will suit the financialintern and the Clintonoids for this date?
                      4. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 18 September 2020 17: 46
                        +5
                        You remind me of someone ...
                      5. Tank jacket
                        Tank jacket 18 September 2020 18: 18
                        -4
                        The manual does not order to voice Putin's speech at the UN General Assembly. September 22, 2020? Understand...
                        There are no answers either, and I understand that. The salary is sacred ... The kids are there, the communal apartment ...
              2. parusnik
                parusnik 18 September 2020 18: 37
                +2
                All our dialogue, both yours and mine, with the opponent - in the elderberry garden, in Kiev, the uncle. laughing
              3. Tank jacket
                Tank jacket 18 September 2020 19: 06
                -4
                Quote: parusnik
                All our dialogue, both yours and mine, with the opponent - in the elderberry garden, in Kiev, the uncle. laughing

                Please tell us which country has the world's only tank conveyor? Thank. bully
                And how many tanks are there on the continent and in general, who will sit in them
                [Center][09
              4. Tank jacket
                Tank jacket 18 September 2020 19: 22
                -3
                Will these tunnels sit in leopard-2? wassat
                Suddenly the nail files will be forgotten, and then bam ... Falling down ...
              5. parusnik
                parusnik 18 September 2020 21: 41
                +4
                And where do I have it written about the number of tanks? laughing
        3. Alf
          Alf 18 September 2020 19: 51
          +1
          Quote: Tank jacket
          How did you vote on the Constitution?

          Vs.
          1. Tank jacket
            Tank jacket 18 September 2020 20: 17
            -4
            Against sovereignty ... Accepted ... Makhno? Or how Krasnov? Anyway, in the end, for Elizabeth ... which is an Englishwoman Gadya ... wassat
          2. Alf
            Alf 18 September 2020 20: 37
            +5
            Quote: Tank jacket
            Against sovereignty ... Accepted ... Makhno?


            The border with the PRC has not been approved, with Japan, too. You can also bargain, the constitution allows ...
            According to the laws.
          3. Tank jacket
            Tank jacket 18 September 2020 20: 48
            -12 qualifying.
            Krasnov means.
          4. Alf
            Alf 18 September 2020 20: 50
            +4
            Quote: Tank jacket
            Krasnov means.

            Zaliz is credited, go to the manager for a bonus.
          5. Tank jacket
            Tank jacket 18 September 2020 20: 55
            -9
            Haven't seen each other for a long time, soldier ..
          6. Tank jacket
            Tank jacket 18 September 2020 21: 12
            -9
            Alf, you're in luck ... the master of knives does not touch the old men of the Urals ...
          7. Tank jacket
            Tank jacket 18 September 2020 22: 14
            -7
            If and when the National Guard fails, we will put on the same camouflage and bring the matter to the victorious winked
          8. MrFox
            MrFox 26 September 2020 10: 20
            0
            When the Union began to pour in camouflage was missing?
      2. Lexus
        Lexus 18 September 2020 22: 16
        +6
        The "zhupan" has a familiar handwriting ... of one "washed away" tanker, who loves to "sniff". wink
      3. Alf
        Alf 18 September 2020 22: 18
        +5
        Quote: lexus
        The "zhupan" has a familiar handwriting ... of one "washed away" tanker, who loves to "sniff". wink

        As the saying goes, the rich they are, so they are happy.
      4. Lexus
        Lexus 18 September 2020 22: 28
        12
        Teaching in a correctional group is hard work.
      5. Tank jacket
        Tank jacket 18 September 2020 22: 50
        -8
        Hard work for 2 percent ...
  • frog
    frog 18 September 2020 16: 19
    +1
    He said the same. What more ...
  • Revival
    Revival 18 September 2020 17: 09
    +2
    And why is this passage about nothing and everything on a whole sheet?
    1. Tank jacket
      Tank jacket 18 September 2020 17: 11
      -8
      I'm too lazy to explain to you hi
      By the way, what will Putin talk about at the UN General Assembly on September 22, 2020 ???
      1. Revival
        Revival 18 September 2020 17: 22
        +4
        About the fact that while he is president ...
        1. Tank jacket
          Tank jacket 18 September 2020 21: 47
          -4
          So is Merkel's chancellor ... And the President of Singapore, and Milo Djukanovic?
          1. Revival
            Revival 19 September 2020 01: 11
            +3
            Uh-huh, "as long as I am president, there will be no pension ..." only he
  • IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 18 September 2020 23: 18
    +3
    Quote: Tank jacket
    Putin added that Russia's "opponents" would come up with some kind of information attacks on Victory Day, Duma and presidential elections.

    From this point of view, Putin himself is an opponent of Russia with his blocking of mausoleums with Yeltsin centers and other sluggish de-communization with the nullification of the constitution and the non-revision of the results of privatization.
  • Boris Chernikov
    Boris Chernikov 18 September 2020 23: 37
    0
    crying there, after Comrade Stalin, the beginning began to weaken in their heads ... alas, the Leader could not create a working system for reproducing the Elite of the country's leadership
  • figwam
    figwam 18 September 2020 10: 06
    10
    Quote: Tank jacket
    The USSR's tank superiority did not save it from collapse.

    Sometimes a country can be destroyed without tanks, but when it doesn't work, then tanks go into battle.
    1. Tank jacket
      Tank jacket 18 September 2020 15: 21
      -2
      And remember the article by Shpakovsky, in which there was a hint that the Tagil residents and the Lining ruined the USSR, they put out a lot of T-72 tanks, and now to shift it to Armata and voila, the article "Lining has ruined Russia" is ready ...
      1. Revival
        Revival 19 September 2020 01: 13
        +3
        Nothing, now the mistakes have been taken into account, they won't do much more ...
  • Grandfather
    Grandfather 18 September 2020 11: 28
    +4
    [quote = Tank jacket] [quote = parusnik] Armata tank for parades ... never, a little thicker carrot from a neighbor, or a woman tastier, was not saved from treason, the whole trouble is in politics and ideology.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 18 September 2020 18: 31
    0
    The USSR's tank superiority did not save it from collapse.
    .... And the technologically advanced and expensive Tigers and Panthers, Nazi Germany from defeat ... So there are a lot of tanks, too, will they not save Russia already? The war is cold .. smile
  • Alvis07
    Alvis07 18 September 2020 09: 33
    +2
    By themselves, just numbers and names do not say anything. But the overall figures are comparable to those of Saddam's army on the eve of Desert Storm. The author, is it possible to make a comparative analysis of Saddam's Iraqi tanks before the start of Operation Desert Storm and the power of tanks in combat units of the Russian army now? The common base for both Iraq and the Russian Federation is the same, of course, the Russian army now has new tanks on the old basis. It would be interesting to make a tactical analysis based on the new realities of combat.
  • Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 18 September 2020 09: 34
    +6
    From a rather interesting article "Review of the state of the tank forces of the Armed Forces of Russia", published on the basis of open sources, it follows that in the combat units of the Russian army in 86 tank battalions there are 2685 tanks of various modifications T-72, T-80, T-90 and more about 400 T-72 tanks in training centers. The composition of the tank fleet by types of tanks and their number in the troops can be presented in the following table.

    It's strange. The table indicates that the troops have 558 T-72B3 and 248 T-72B3M. At the same time, last year it was written that the army received about 1000 T-72B3. what
    1. bnm.99
      bnm.99 18 September 2020 13: 10
      +9
      The discrepancies in the figures are due to the fact that Yura Apukhtin took these figures from the article https://altyn73.livejournal.com/1437693.html, but did not bother to read this article normally and, as usual, "forgot" to indicate it as the primary source
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 18 September 2020 14: 37
        +4
        Quote: bnm.99
        The discrepancies in the figures are due to the fact that Yura Apukhtin took these figures from the article https://altyn73.livejournal.com/1437693.html, but did not bother to read this article normally and, as usual, "forgot" to indicate it as the primary source

        More precisely, he indicated the name of the original source, but did not indicate the author and the site:
        From a rather interesting article "Review of the state of the tank forces of the Russian Armed Forces", published on the basis of open source materials, it follows that in the combat units of the Russian army in 86 tank battalions there are 2685 tanks of various modifications T-72, T-80, T-90 and about 400 T-72 tanks in training centers.
  • Just a Traveler
    Just a Traveler 18 September 2020 12: 43
    +1
    Quote: Tank jacket
    I don't see any major conflicts. There's nowhere to rush.
    I see color revolutions, sanctions, the destructive role of the Central Bank and the Ministry of Finance as branches of the IMF and FRS.


    All the same, this is not possible ... it speaks of the professional suitability of the country's military leadership and the irresponsible attitude towards tank crews.
    The miser pays three times, and not with money, but with their lives ((((
    1. Alf
      Alf 18 September 2020 14: 58
      +6
      Quote: Just a Traveler
      This indicates the professional suitability of the country's military leadership and the irresponsible attitude towards tank crews.

      So not the leadership and not their children will sit in tanks.
  • alexmach
    alexmach 18 September 2020 13: 05
    +2
    I wonder how relevant are the data given in the table? According to rumors, the modernization of tanks to T72B3 and B3M should already be completed, and in the author's table, the number of non-modernized ones is still greater than the number of those that have undergone modernization.
    1. Odysseus
      Odysseus 18 September 2020 14: 33
      +6
      Quote: alexmach
      I wonder how relevant are the data given in the table? According to rumors, the modernization of tanks to T72B3 and B3M should already be completed

      2700 in service, relevant. The data in the table is somewhere around 2018. T-72 B really should be smaller now, T-72B3 more.
  • Alexfly
    Alexfly 18 September 2020 13: 10
    0
    And what did you want, there is no denyuzhek, even on the AK-12 ... it was cheap, making the AK-74 in a practical way and that's it ...
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 18 September 2020 14: 45
      +8
      Quote: AlexFly
      And what did you want, there is no denyuzhek, even on the AK-12 ... it was cheap, making the AK-74 in a practical way and that's it ...

      When the T-72B3 was ordered, it was not only about the money, but also the timing: it was necessary to urgently change 2-2,5 thousand "first line" tanks that were built in the USSR. So the capital T-72B with minor modernization was the best solution: the output was a tank that was better and newer (due to overhaul) of what formed the basis of our armored vehicles mod. 2010. For this was based on Soviet-made T-72A and T-72B (and there were also "extreme cases" - such as T-62M and T-55AM).
      1. Alf
        Alf 18 September 2020 15: 00
        +3
        Quote: Alexey RA
        So the capital T-72B with minor modernization was the best solution: the output was a tank that was better and newer (due to overhaul) of what constituted the basis of our armored vehicles mod. 2010.

        So it is necessary not to equalize on BTV arr. 2010, but on Leopard-2, and even on Abrams and Leclerc.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 18 September 2020 15: 18
          +4
          Quote: Alf
          So it is necessary not to equalize on BTV arr. 2010, but on Leopard-2, and even on Abrams and Leclerc.

          They tried - exactly in 2010. You remember everything ended with what: in 2010 the cost of the T-90 was 70 million rubles, and in 2011 UVZ already requested 118 million. The military-industrial complex quickly responded to the increase in the military budget. smile
          1. Revival
            Revival 18 September 2020 17: 15
            0
            Well then, of course, it's better to paint the old ones, to hell with those tankers
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 18 September 2020 17: 38
              +5
              Quote: Revival
              Well then, of course, it's better to paint the old ones, to hell with those tankers

              You can buy new ones, 63 cars a year.
              The court divisions will have enough, and the rest - to hell with those tankers ©, let them fight as before, on the T-62M against the T-72SIM. If only their 30-year-old cars get out of the park.
              1. Revival
                Revival 18 September 2020 17: 51
                +1
                No.
                If everything is really bad, this does not mean that you just need to do it badly.
                We need to buy not 63 cars, that's all!
                But we can't, well, it's clear, the price is clear to those who ...
                1. Alexey RA
                  Alexey RA 21 September 2020 11: 56
                  0
                  Quote: Revival
                  If everything is really bad, this does not mean that you just need to do it badly.
                  We need to buy not 63 cars, that's all!

                  Good to be healthy and rich. ©
                  That's just not the United States. And no budget will be enough to pay for all the Wishlist UVZ. Who Said 118 Million Is The Final Price? A monopolist cannot do that.
                  1. Revival
                    Revival 21 September 2020 12: 11
                    0
                    And who said that a monopolist should be able to do whatever he wants?
          2. Boris Chernikov
            Boris Chernikov 18 September 2020 23: 43
            +1
            by the way .. this led to the fact that instead of ordering the T-90A, they began to make B3 lol
          3. storm
            storm 19 September 2020 03: 31
            +3
            First, 70 million in 2011 cost almost "naked" T-90, and "stuffed" with French electronics, from AZ and DZ T-90 pulled already at 118 million / unit.
            And who prevented Prime Minister Putin in 2011 from seating the Defense Ministry and UVZ at the negotiating table and agree on 80-90 million rubles / piece with an annual purchase of 100 - 150 units. new T-90 MS.
      2. Revival
        Revival 18 September 2020 17: 13
        +1
        And what kind of urgency was it that you had to cost a little capital?
        Remind to which front they went straight from the factory workshops?
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 18 September 2020 17: 34
          +4
          Quote: Revival
          And what kind of urgency was it that you had to get by with a small capital?
          Remind to which front they went straight from the factory workshops?

          The urgency was called "loving all the time." The BTV tank fleet for 2011 was a sea of ​​T-72A and B, produced during the Soviet era and operated since the same time. In this sea "those over thirty"new T-90s stood out as rare islands, which were purchased at 63 vehicles a year. A couple of years more at such a pace - and we would have remained with tbn only in court divisions. And the rest of the units would be" tank "only on paper, even with the formal availability of equipment ...
          The second problem is UVZ's appetites. 70% increase in the price of the T-90 for the year - this, sorry, does not fit into any gate. After announcing the new price, the Commander-in-Chief of the SV in the hearts gave up that it was cheaper to buy Leopards.
          Plus 08.08.08, after which the army team began to ask hard-hitting questions - like, how did it turn out that your division, listed as "constant combat readiness", went into battle with the Georgian T-72 on the "bald" T-62M (really "bald" - on a part of the tanks there was not something like DZ, but even "Ilyich's eyebrows")?
          1. Revival
            Revival 18 September 2020 17: 48
            -1
            So what? It doesn't explain it in any way.
            A repetition with Georgia was not planned urgently, and so on.
            So you just had to "paint"?
            1. Boris Chernikov
              Boris Chernikov 18 September 2020 23: 45
              +1
              stop tanks were not painted ... the first tanks came from storage bases ... in one even the body of a homeless man was found, the poor fellow froze, all the tanks were sorted out, capitalized and brought to the level ..
              1. Revival
                Revival 19 September 2020 01: 14
                +2
                Yeah, we already understood how much ...
                1. Boris Chernikov
                  Boris Chernikov 19 September 2020 09: 27
                  +1
                  oddly normal, the Pine sight is quite at the level, the LMS is also more / less modern, the most important thing is that the AZ and the cannon have been modernized for the most modern shells .. If the MO decides on some B4, then there will most likely be another DZ, panorama, perhaps KAZ and the Armed Forces of Ukraine, BUT most likely there will be a mandatory modernization of the AZ and Guns to the level of T-14 ... otherwise it makes no sense ..
                  1. Revival
                    Revival 19 September 2020 11: 30
                    +1
                    Pine agrees about the sight, but we were just told that it is far from "not only everyone, few people." This is one of the questions
                    1. Boris Chernikov
                      Boris Chernikov 21 September 2020 09: 15
                      +2
                      the T-72B3 has it, But the author lost half a thousand cars at the turn in order to get a beautiful figure for himself ... with the same success we can say that there are no modern tanks in Russia, because less than 10 tanks have a panoramic sight ..
                      1. Revival
                        Revival 21 September 2020 10: 47
                        0
                        You can say that if a modern tank has it, and you can say so 2 times if enemy tanks have it
                      2. Boris Chernikov
                        Boris Chernikov 21 September 2020 12: 48
                        0
                        laughing and who specifically, half of NATO does not have it, and yes .. the concept of "put" is vague-the tank MUST detect and hit the enemy at effective distances .. T-72B3 will detect an enemy tank at 3,5 km will be able to hit at 2 km. so shouting about "he's bad" is stupid
                      3. Revival
                        Revival 21 September 2020 13: 37
                        0
                        The whole question is at what distance leopards, abrams are able to detect and hit t72
                      4. Boris Chernikov
                        Boris Chernikov 21 September 2020 13: 45
                        0
                        on the same 3,5 km to see and strike in the same way from 2 km ... sorry, but then it is already problematic ... the horizon of the earth, so to speak, does not allow further 5 km on an even field to see further)
    2. Alf
      Alf 18 September 2020 19: 50
      +2
      Quote: Alexey RA
      Plus 08.08.08, after which the army team began to ask hard-hitting questions

      Have the army team brought the army to such a state?
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 18 September 2020 22: 18
        +5
        After 08.08.08, the army team was stuffed with bundles of money in their mouths so they wouldn't snap.
      2. Boris Chernikov
        Boris Chernikov 18 September 2020 23: 46
        +1
        Well, do not hang Ilyich's eyebrows, this is a gabzdets .. unsubscribes, but when the "tank Ace 08" Georgian T-72 burned on an old T-62 .. this is not even comme il faut
        1. Alf
          Alf 18 September 2020 23: 48
          +3
          Quote: Boris Chernikov
          Well, do not hang Ilyich's eyebrows, this is a gabzdets .. unsubscribes, but when the "tank Ace 08" Georgian T-72 burned on an old T-62 .. this is not even comme il faut

          Was it really? For the sake of all gods, briefly, in a nutshell, without references, just very interesting. request
          1. Boris Chernikov
            Boris Chernikov 18 September 2020 23: 52
            +1
            well, I certainly don’t remember ... if I’m not mistaken in the 888 war, several "tank aces" were formed on our side .. which burned 1-3 Georgian tanks, here one of them fought in an old T-62 against Georgian T-72 which the Israelis modernized for Tbilisi
          2. Boris Chernikov
            Boris Chernikov 18 September 2020 23: 56
            +1
            found.. crying Neff, Vitaly Vitalyevich knocked out the T-72 Georgians, then the tank was set on fire from the RPG, and then, during the evacuation of the crew, mines were covered with ... a heroic man ... soldier
            1. Alf
              Alf 19 September 2020 00: 16
              +1
              Quote: Boris Chernikov
              found.. crying Neff, Vitaly Vitalyevich knocked out the T-72 Georgians, then the tank was set on fire from the RPG, and then, during the evacuation of the crew, mines were covered with ... a heroic man ... soldier

              sad soldier
      3. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 21 September 2020 11: 59
        0
        Quote: Alf
        Have the army team brought the army to such a state?

        The army had T-72Bs in storage. But this went into battle in South Ossetia:
    3. storm
      storm 19 September 2020 03: 43
      +2
      In 2011, several tank repair plants were idle in the country with practically no orders. Nobody canceled the medium repairs with the restoration of combat readiness of tanks for 5-7 years with a small upgrade of the SDU, but not for 56 million, like the ugly T-72 B3, but for 15-20 million / unit.
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 19 September 2020 17: 17
    0
    AK 12 has already produced over 100000 for the army.
  • iouris
    iouris 18 September 2020 13: 24
    +2
    If the power is not strong enough, then it is not "power", but a malaise. So can you count on an armored component? Question.
    1. Odysseus
      Odysseus 18 September 2020 14: 36
      -2
      Quote: iouris
      If the power is not strong enough, then it is not "power", but a malaise. So can you count on an armored component? Question.

      For a regional conflict a la war with Ukraine is still enough.
      Nobody is going to fight NATO and China. But hypothetically, the war with NATO in general will not be a land war. With the PRC, only nuclear weapons. On earth, no chance.
  • Nastia makarova
    Nastia makarova 18 September 2020 13: 29
    -1
    and where 10 thousand what is in storage?
    1. alexmach
      alexmach 18 September 2020 16: 10
      -1
      In storage, and there, apparently, will remain
      1. Boris Chernikov
        Boris Chernikov 18 September 2020 23: 47
        +1
        well why .. they will slowly sell it ... well, maybe they will give birth to something like a "cheap heavy infantry fighting vehicle" from the T-72A, but this is from the realm of fantasy
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 18 September 2020 23: 57
          -1
          will slowly sell

          And who needs them? And even so much.
          1. Boris Chernikov
            Boris Chernikov 18 September 2020 23: 58
            0
            laughing BLM ... the same Syrians will gladly buy themselves tanks for a small sum
        2. storm
          storm 19 September 2020 04: 32
          +3
          A heavy infantry fighting vehicle based on the T-72 seems like a pipe dream.
          Instead of heavy infantry fighting vehicles that can simultaneously perform three important tasks:
          - deliver assault infantry and sappers to the front line,
          - to support them with fire,
          - to destroy tank-hazardous infantry and ATGM crews of the enemy, thereby covering their tanks.
          For some reason, our Ministry of Defense chose to purchase combat vehicles to support tanks that can only fight against tank-hazardous infantry and armored vehicles of the enemy, and who will deliver the infantryman to the front line is again unknown ...
          Given that we have chosen the most expensive version of the BMPT-3 based on the T-90 with 5 crew members, it becomes clear that this is another "parade" party.
          In motorized rifle brigades, where the T-72 is mainly in service and the constant 15-25% undersupply of the infantry as an "ersatz" substitute for the infantry would be quite suitable "budget" BMPT-2 based on the T-72 with 3 crew members and without two "stupid" AGS in fenders containers.
          If you put the AGS, then one and in the rear of the combat module as a light mortar, which is very convenient in urban conditions when you need to throw grenades on the roof of a house where grenade launchers and snipers have sat down or to support your infantry with fire on a parallel street.
          1. Boris Chernikov
            Boris Chernikov 19 September 2020 09: 25
            0
            1) The Ministry of Defense has not yet chosen anything, and only in the Caucasus this year will it be decided to take or not to take and where to insert what into the composition.
            2) Taking into account the love of our Ministry of Defense for purtoberations, anything can happen easily and naturally, but I personally only see the conversion of old T-72s into something like BMPT-like, or BMP-t ... there are not very many other options ..
            3) about the version based on the T-90 or T-72 .. if you remember that the army wants to save money, then they may well say to themselves that it is necessary to make a BMPT based on the T-72 .. especially since there are no difficulties there .. about AGS ..that, logically, you need to remove one operator .. and pair the AGSs in the LMS and the possibility of aiming with the handles - bring one through the remote control to the mechanical drive - suddenly the target will see sooo close and leave one to the operator himself - let him look for the target .. + the ability to intercept control for vehicle commander ..
            4) Behind the AGS do not put a word at all, so the guidance angles do not allow .., and it's easier to remake the module in front to increase the guidance angle ..
    2. storm
      storm 19 September 2020 03: 50
      +2
      In order to move the 10-12 thousand T-72 and T-80 stored at the bases under the open sky, they need to be transported to tank repair factories and a "medium repair" with minor modernization worth 15-20 million rubles per tank should be carried out.
      To restore the entire reserve tank fleet will cost somewhere in the 200-250 billion rubles.
  • Odysseus
    Odysseus 18 September 2020 14: 42
    +4
    The article is interesting. Thanks to the author. The open source figures are just that.
    It is curious that of the 2700 remaining tanks, 2500 were made in the USSR. For 30 years, 200 tanks were made for our own army ...
    However, this reflects the current realities. As for the author's proposal for the further modernization of the T-72 sighting system, I think this is the way they will go. The only question is the number of tanks that can be upgraded.
  • Radikal
    Radikal 18 September 2020 14: 50
    +3
    Quote: sen
    All T-72 tanks of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are being upgraded to the T-72B3M modification. At the end of the Army Games - 2020, this was announced by the head of the Russian Ministry of Defense Sergei Shoigu.

    Exactly! Only he kept silent about the fact that we will arm foreign armies with relatively modern T-90s and their modifications. sad
  • Radikal
    Radikal 18 September 2020 15: 29
    +3
    Quote: Tank jacket
    ... In addition, the Russian leader criticized the participation of foreign funds in Russian education. Putin said that, according to him, in Russia, education, not only preschool, but also school, "is engaged in everything, anyone - some foreign funds climb, finance someone."
    Was he the type to complain? To whom, and to whom? lol
    1. Tank jacket
      Tank jacket 18 September 2020 16: 43
      -1
      It was 2016 ... bully And the information war against Russia has been waged since the time of Ivan the Terrible.
      The murders of Ivan the Terrible and Pavel 3 Mi-6 were recently declassified, so think about when the murder of Skripal will be declassified.
      1. Revival
        Revival 18 September 2020 17: 18
        +1
        wassat
        ............
        1. Tank jacket
          Tank jacket 18 September 2020 17: 19
          -3
          Essentially there?
          1. Revival
            Revival 18 September 2020 17: 28
            0
            What kind of creature is this and the answer, and then I think with pithiness went too far.

            But now there is no time to write to you more, all in anticipation of "what will Putin talk about at the UN General Assembly on September 22, 2020 ???".

            So you understand, it's not up to this now ... I'm afraid to miss
      2. Revival
        Revival 18 September 2020 17: 21
        +1
        I do not agree!
        Mi6 has been fighting this fight for a long time!
        For example, they still haven't declassified the killing of the last woolly rhino!
        1. Tank jacket
          Tank jacket 18 September 2020 17: 23
          -5
          Pavel the first was killed by MI6.
          Rasputin is a victim of MI6.
        2. Tank jacket
          Tank jacket 18 September 2020 17: 25
          -5
          Ivan the Terrible is killed by MI6.
  • VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK
    VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK 18 September 2020 18: 07
    -4
    An article just to write! Who needs these numbers, us or a potential enemy! In due time for such an article would be put up against the wall. And you all rushed to discuss!
  • ole1
    ole1 18 September 2020 18: 22
    +1
    I wonder how good / bad Pine-U is in relation to scopes on second Leopards?
    1. strelokmira
      strelokmira 18 September 2020 20: 21
      +1
      I wonder how good / bad Pine-U is in relation to scopes on second Leopards?

      As a specific sight, the most recent Sosna - in which thermal imagers of 3 generations (sort of like either on Korean matrices, or on copied domestic ones) are perhaps not much inferior. Early pines with 1 and 2 generations are already of course significantly losing.
      And if you look at the complex by means of detection, then there is a complete trash of course, there are no panoramic sights, the electronics are outdated, the LMS also does not shine, etc.
      1. ole1
        ole1 18 September 2020 20: 45
        0
        So it seems they write that on the T72 B3M (2016) they put a new panoramic sight for the commander, they did not seem to be installed on the early T72 B3.

        And there was also the OMS Kalina. Or is it just for the T90 M?
        1. Boris Chernikov
          Boris Chernikov 18 September 2020 23: 48
          +1
          there is no panoramic sight ... if it appears, then at the next iteration / upgrade ... there is just a sight
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 18 September 2020 18: 41
    0
    "How strong is the firepower of tanks in the combat units of the Russian army?" At a level slightly below average - since there are no modern ammunition in the armament of the tank forces, but what is the development of the mid-80s and early 90s.
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 18 September 2020 23: 37
      +2
      Effective managers somehow haven't bothered to do it for 30 years. Everything was thought that you can cut the loot endlessly and dreamed of Europe from Lisbon to Vladivostok. But as it turned out for Europe, our newly-made merchants boyars did not make faces and had to grudgingly throw a couple of rubles for the defense of the state and retrain as patriots. Yes Vadim?
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 19 September 2020 17: 13
        0
        No, this is due to the fact that the tank duels of the Ministry of Defense reduces to zero, but everything that is available to fight against infantry and lightly armored vehicles of the enemy has been more than slightly modernized and continues to be produced - and the fight against tanks was given to self-propelled ATGMs with Cornet Storm Chrysanthemum and artillery and MLRS with guided cumulative shells and cluster homing warheads with a shock core and kamikaze drones. No one will climb into the frontal on tanks.
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 19 September 2020 18: 27
          0
          I'm glad you agree with me. laughing
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 21 September 2020 00: 32
            -2
            No, because you're not talking about garbage.
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 21 September 2020 00: 43
              0
              You offend. I do not claim your laurels. laughing
  • Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 18 September 2020 21: 47
    -3
    Quote: Tank jacket
    So is Merkel's chancellor ... And the President of Singapore, and Milo Djukanovic?
    wassat
  • storm
    storm 19 September 2020 03: 12
    +4
    The T-72 is outdated even despite the modernization and spending 90 million rubles per unit on its restoration. there is no point.
    To concentrate all the forces of the tank factories and the Ministry of Defense on the production and procurement of the T-90 M "Breakthrough - 3", bringing their number in the troops to 26-27 to 1550 units (50 tank battalions).
    That is, every year it is necessary to modernize 100 combatant T-90A and produce 200 new T-90 M.
    This should have been done since 2011, and not fed with fairy tales about 2300 Armat by 20g and at the same time spending huge amounts of money on modernizing the T-72 B3.
  • philosopher
    philosopher 19 September 2020 07: 07
    +2
    Quote: Romario_Argo
    PKT (7,62x54 - 1,5 km), 3 PKM(7,62x39 - 1,5 km)

    How long have PKT and PKM started to differ in the used ammunition?
  • bubasa
    bubasa 19 September 2020 13: 55
    +1
    It is enough to look at the events from the Middle East, and the defeat of everything and everything from the western shaTank-building ... to talk about much better, you need to take into account not only the technical characteristics in the range, the number of planes, but take into account the operation, combat experience, convenience and a lot other factors that make the technique really an assistant, and not a box with a bunch of exclamation marks "how cool we wrote it here", and the events of the Middle East show that the situation declared by the author "the situation is much better", the situation in fact turns into a hollow djopa;) Here they wrote what kind of cool medicine, science, law enforcement, economics and education in the West and the United States in particular. But as we say, "spring will show who shit where" ... covid came and the Hollywood scenery was asleep, medicine - 0, education - 0, science - 0, economics - 0 (bravura about the GDP of the purchasing power of the EU and the US turned out to be a hat and the question arises, can all economists be sent to uranium mines? all the same stupid) and the subsequent riots showed that both society in the EU and the United States are a set of people who hate each other, and the United States is the mentality of individuals in human form - the mentality of nomads and a camp with the brain of marauders. That fits into the behavior of the country. So these ratings of aircraft, tanks and other things - the events in the Middle East showed that even the aborigines cannot push the fufel to the west, guano is immediately visible. True, we still have liberals and others, say different non-brothers, who are ready to eat shit with a spoon if only it was written made by in yusa / yesa. And such become just apparently for the number of characters are written, because they are out of touch with reality. It is a pity that the topvar is slipping into avia.pro and zen ...
  • Diverter
    Diverter 19 September 2020 19: 00
    +1
    The efforts of factories should be directed to:
    modernize all T 80s and equip them with the Marines, the Northern Military District (some kind of command () and the Air Defense Forces.
    all T 72 and T 90 should be upgraded to a single level and unification.
    everything that does not lend itself to modernization / unification for warehouses.
    slowly produce T 14 and others like him.
    1. Alf
      Alf 19 September 2020 21: 38
      +3
      Quote: Saboteur
      everything that does not lend itself to modernization / unification for warehouses.

      Or sell to different bantustans, and then download money from them for MOT and BC. And there will be money, and we will shove off the old, and we will tie them to ourselves.
      1. Diverter
        Diverter 19 September 2020 23: 59
        +2
        for this T 62, T 64 and T 55 are
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 20 September 2020 00: 28
    +1
    T-90 according to other sources up to 500.
  • evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru
    evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru 21 September 2020 22: 03
    +1
    Yes, everything is bad with the tanks ... It happens if for decades PICTURE LIFE, and not w and t. What does the state ,, Russia Capitalist ,, (,, RK ,,) to the tankers? Which of the ,, effective managers ,, or ,,,,,,,,,, served in the tank troops? Got into the tank (will the stomach allow?)? Did he pilot it, fired a gun? Overcome a water barrier along the bottom? Who of them burned in armor in Chechnya, Georgia, Syria?
    They don't really know anything about armor and don't want to know!
    How can the crew escape from a wrecked tank? Is it interesting too? Why does the Merkava of a small country in this regard, three heads, taller, worry them? Where to store the duffel bags and overalls of the crew, and x worries? Why is the 72 machine gun not remote controlled on the T-12,7? Is it difficult to fix it? It just doesn't care! To bring female crews to biathlon is interesting, exciting and entertaining for them. And to carry out planned modernization of each car is boring and not interesting.
    Where is the tech in the troops? Where are the smart repairmen and the relevant departments? They are absent as a class. Effective managers ,, from the army ,, and probably do not know such words, as, for example, ,, technician-lieutenant ,, ,, ,, ,, lieutenant-engineer ,,.
    There are no subdivisions attached. Where are the armored infantry on heavy armored personnel carriers, armored artillerymen, mortar men, and gunmen? There is nothing. There are ,, show-off, ,, bravado ,, ,, show-off ,,. ,, Yes, we are them, these foes ...! ,, Oh well.
    ,, Do not say ,, gop ,, ... ,, It is not a fact that one century of this saying