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A word about black tank overalls

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A word about black tank overalls

Very often, when watching films about the war, about the USSR army and the Russian army, I hear from former and current tankers, soldiers and officers claims to the filmmakers about the quality of the work of military consultants and other specialists. Like, where did they even get such a form? Where do these overalls come from? Why is the armament of the crew not in accordance with the regulations? ..


There are many complaints. Indeed, it is strange to hear from a specialist who has sometimes served for more than a dozen years in tank troops, such expressions. Especially somewhere in the country or in the garage, where on each hook hangs something received from the native army. From a headset to an old jumpsuit with a diamond pattern and a yellow T-62 on the chest.

To somehow calm the critics of military consultants, I had to bury myself in the military history... It turned out that a simple question about the clothes of a soldier or an officer can be no less interesting than a good detective story. There were even discoveries.

Tankmen of the Red Army


We are used to the fact that tankers look the same in Soviet films about pre-war and war times. Black overalls, a helmet and a pistol on his belt.

Alas, I will disappoint you, the first overalls were blue. More precisely, dark blue. And they were called like this: overalls for the driver. Simply because they were issued to drivers of almost everything that could drive. The crew wore the usual field uniform.

The jacket and trousers were simply sewn to each other at the waist. Accordingly, such a jumpsuit was buttoned up from top to bottom. The industry also did not experiment with fabric. Plain cotton fabric. And this element of military clothing was intended simply to protect the mechanic's uniform from technical dirt when repairing equipment.

Hence, some of the features of this item of clothing. First of all, valves. These are special overlays on buttons and pockets, which covered the buttons on the chest and belt and the top pocket. On the pockets, the flaps were fastened with a button. Further, there are drawstrings on the sleeves and at the bottom of the trousers. They were used to tighten clothes on the wrists and ankles. The third element is knee pads. Somewhat unusual for a modern soldier - diamond-shaped.

Pockets. The jumpsuit had only two pockets. One on the left side of the chest and one on the right thigh. Unlike later Soviet overalls, the chest pocket was actually a pocket and not a pistol holster.

In principle, the jumpsuit was quite successful. Except for some details. First of all, color. The dark blue did not hide the oil and grease stains that appeared when repairing cars. Therefore, fairly quickly, the dark blue color was replaced by black. However, even in the initial period of the Great Patriotic War, there were a lot of dark blue tankers in the army.

The second drawback is rather spicy. The overalls were completely unsuitable for the natural needs of the tanker. If it was still possible to go “on the small” somehow, then “on the big” ... That is why, even in the pre-war period, a detachable valve was made behind.

By the way, jump overalls in the Soviet Army copied tank ones and were also sewn with valves. Veteran skydivers remember the "comfort" that the overalls provided to meet these very needs. Especially on the landing site, before boarding, many experienced this “pleasure” firsthand.

A small digression from the main topic


The most recognizable element of a tanker and, in my opinion, the most beloved element, is the tank helmet. Although today such helmets are used not only by tankers, but also by infantrymen, artillerymen, sailors and even paratroopers. However, in the latter case, the helmet is somewhat simplified.

The helmet, more precisely, the headset, has a very successful design. That is why it has practically not changed to this day. The history of this accessory for a tanker began in the mid-30s of the last century. The need to develop a special headgear was caused by the rapid development of tank forces.

The headset was made of tarpaulin. True, this fabric is related to soldiers' boots only by the name of the manufacturer. Plain fabric rubberized with rubber. Rollers stuffed with horsehair or other components were sewn onto the helmet. Special valves for headphones are sewn directly opposite the ears. Pleated lining (summer) or natural fur (winter). Adjustment to the size of the tanker's head is made using straps at the top and on the back of the head.

Sometimes special glasses were included in the headset. There was no single design for glasses, but in most cases they were a half mask with two side and two front glasses. In the Red Army, glasses were quite a rare occurrence simply because the glass was constantly breaking.

And one more interesting fact. It is connected with personal weapons crew. Pistols, revolvers in the initial period, and then TT were in all crew members. By the way, the holsters were specially designed as combined. For carrying both pistols. They were worn over a jumpsuit on a belt. However, when the crew got into the car, there were often delays due to the fact that the holster got stuck.

It was then that the special chic of Soviet tank crews appeared. Holster with shoulder strap. Outwardly, this method of wearing was not very different from the belt one, but it gave huge advantages in time in case of getting stuck. The fact is that the waist belt performed a completely different function. He pressed the holster strap to the tankman's body. And in the event of a jam, it was enough to unfasten the belt.

And the last interesting fact. Soviet tankmen were never given tarpaulin boots! According to the orders of the People's Commissar of Defense, tankmen were given only cowhide or yuft boots! Tankers were not given any tarpaulin boots or boots.

War and form


The Great Patriotic War made some adjustments to the clothes of tankers. First of all, the jumpsuit became mandatory for all crew members. This was caused by the desire to save the crew when the vehicle was defeated. An additional layer of fabric was theoretically supposed to protect the tanker's body from burns. Which, in principle, is quite logical.

However, in practice, the situation looked completely the opposite. Almost all crew members took part in the repair and maintenance of combat vehicles. Naturally, during such work, the uniform was soaked in drops of fuel and oils. It turned out that after a certain time the overalls not only did not save from fire, but, on the contrary, became an additional factor in the death of tankers. The driver mechanics suffered especially.

Few people know, but they tried to solve this problem during the war. In 1943, a special fire-retardant tank suit was created. It consisted of a jacket with a hood, trousers, a mask and gloves. It was created from a double-layer tarpaulin impregnated with OP. On tests, the suit showed quite serious protection. 10 to 20 seconds.

However, in combat conditions, the suit prevented the crew from performing combat work. Therefore, the tankers did not like him. But the suit was not "lost". At least in Soviet times, such suits were often used when working as welders. Even today, finding such a suit is not a problem.

And what about the tankers? The wartime tankers were also saved by a remedy, which saves today from coronavirus and diarrhea. Laundry soap! The overalls were washed whenever possible. How effective it was, I can't say, no research was carried out, but I think the soldier cannot be fooled. If he washes his uniform instead of resting, it means something.

Time of testing and searching


The post-war period is characterized by frequent experiments with uniforms. Tankers have finally abandoned the classic overalls. The tank jumpsuit became a suit. Trousers and a jacket have become an independent piece of clothing. Good or bad, I can't say. In some cases, a suit is better, in others, a jumpsuit.

The main thing that was preserved for tankers was black. Jackets and trousers periodically changed their style, the number of pockets, buttons with zippers, but remained black. And this continued until 1980. That is, before the start of active hostilities in Afghanistan.

The fact is that the tankers and mechanics-drivers of combat vehicles and self-propelled guns were well educated by the Soviet Army and were proud of their black overalls. However, after the enemy began to actively use the PTS, it turned out that even an almost entire crew or mechanic, after leaving the wrecked car, became almost the main target of the spooks. The black color did not particularly mask him among the other soldiers.

Already in 1981-82, the mechanics-drivers of combat vehicles practically abandoned black overalls and fought in the usual field uniform. The tankers remained true to their color.

Those who visited the river in the early 80s remember how many "experimentalists" there were then. The uniform was tested in combat conditions almost constantly. Everyone has experienced it. And the infantry, and the airborne forces, and tankers as well. It was then that the first camouflaged tank overalls and the first gerbils appeared. By the way, gerbils took root just then. Alas, the simple solution that just suggested itself then was not found.

Modern solution to the problem of survivability of the crew of a combat vehicle


Is there a solution to the problem of the survival of a tank crew when a combat vehicle is defeated? No matter what the designers say, no matter what protection systems are installed on the tanks, the combat vehicle is obviously in a losing situation in front of the PTS. Simply because in battle the tank must be in the first echelon, at the very spearhead of the attack. And he acts most often against a well-prepared enemy defense.

If you now ask the tankers who served in the last 10-15 years about the uniforms of the tank troops, the picture will turn out to be no worse than a kaleidoscope. Soviet overalls, camouflage, black Russian overalls. Someone will tell you about "cowboys". And everyone will tell the truth.

I have already written above about a simple solution, to which we had to come back in the 80-90s of the last century. It is quite possible that this decision was reached then, but the turmoil in the country, all these perestroika, glasnost, and other breaks in society across the knee did not allow the plan to be realized.

You can’t grasp the immensity! It is impossible to combine all the necessary qualities in one, even ideal form. Will tankers stop refueling and maintaining their combat vehicles? Or will they not drip fuel on themselves, wipe their oiled hands on their overalls? Of course not. The tank is not only the crew's combat vehicle, it is their home. But it is also a machine that always needs attention.

Has the dirt, dust and weather changed? "Tanks are not afraid of dirt" canceled? Or are there no more swamps and breakdowns on the road? So you need a jumpsuit. It is for the repair and maintenance of machines needed. For marches needed. For everyday combat training needed. And this overalls will be slightly different from those that were on the tankers in 1941-1945. And it will burn the same way.

But why should a tanker study, maintain equipment, go through marches and shootings and fight in the same uniform? The tankers chose the black color not from their own ambitions, but simply because it is the most practical color for training and servicing tanks. And they changed into an ordinary gerbil in battle simply because it gives an additional chance to survive.

May 20, 2017 in the 4th Guards Tank Kantemirovskaya Order of Lenin of the Red Banner Division named after I. Yu.V. Andropov celebrated the 75th anniversary of the 12th Guards Red Banner Shepetovsky Orders of Suvorov and Kutuzov, 2nd Class, Tank Regiment. It was there that the new uniform for tankers was shown. The same ingenious solution that I wrote about above.

Do you work in the park? Do you service a technician? Get a black, true tank, comfortable and practical jumpsuit. And he takes it on his head. Field exit? Shooting? March? Replace it with another tank legend - a headset.

Getting ready for battle? Attack or repel the enemy's attack? Change the overalls to a "digital", to overalls impregnated with a special fire retardant solution. The material of the overalls protects against small fragments. Moreover, these overalls make the crew invisible to thermal imagers and other technical equipment of the enemy. And change the classic headset for a special helmet made of composite material.

Just? Indeed, simple. But it took a lot of blood and many lives to reach this simplicity. It took a sea of ​​soldier's sweat.

A common item of clothing for a serviceman, of which there are dozens, and sometimes hundreds, for some military specialties. But how difficult was the fate of this simple and ordinary (even for civilian life) tank overalls, the pride of tankers ...
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  1. Hunter 2
    Hunter 2 17 September 2020 18: 04
    +8
    The dream of all tractor drivers and combine operators of the USSR times! good
    1. Finches
      Finches 17 September 2020 18: 24
      +8
      I used to go .. Well! For BTV drinks
  2. sergo1914
    sergo1914 17 September 2020 18: 06
    18
    In our technology, you can't go without a headset. In practice, he beat off his entire head. At work, I climbed into products exclusively with a headset. The house is lying somewhere.
    1. Cetron
      Cetron 17 September 2020 18: 46
      12
      They ripped off the tongue, once climbed without a headset - I had to sew up my forehead in the medical unit, a scar for life and science too!
    2. Doliva63
      Doliva63 17 September 2020 20: 34
      24
      Quote: sergo1914
      In our technology, you can't go without a headset. In practice, he beat off his entire head. At work, I climbed into products exclusively with a headset. The house is lying somewhere.

      Somehow on the march I was suddenly "seasick". He opened the hatch and began to crawl out into the air. But the hatch did not get up on the stopper and began to close at the first bump. A terrible blow to the head. Glory to the headset! And the "motion sickness" immediately passed and did not come again laughing
      1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
        Boris ⁣ Shaver 17 September 2020 22: 50
        +5
        Quote: Doliva63
        And the "motion sickness" immediately passed and did not come again

        Patent this method of healing))
      2. mmaxx
        mmaxx 18 September 2020 07: 06
        +4
        A friend of my mother's son remained disabled. Huddled in a sitting position and that's it. He could only blink his eyes. You're lucky.
    3. kapitan92
      kapitan92 17 September 2020 22: 35
      +8
      Quote: sergo1914
      In our technology, you can't go without a headset. In practice, he beat off his entire head. At work, I climbed into products exclusively with a headset. The house is lying somewhere.

      Sergey, hi
      I'm not a tanker, but I will speak out.
      Maybe it's time to switch to modern "headgear" for tankers. Means of destruction of a tank are changing, ammunition is changing, everything is changing !!!
      Maybe it's time to move on to something like that, which will protect against secondary damage in the tank, light and comfortable.
      Materials have changed, armored ceramics, Kevlar, polyamides, and many others have appeared.

      Why not? Or "women still give birth"?
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 17 September 2020 23: 06
        10
        I am a tanker in the past. You know, I've been looking at the photo of helmets of the type you specified for a long time. I honestly don't know! On the mind, yes - Kevlar will protect from a splinter or even a bullet, but how about convenience?
        I should try to jump back and forth in it, sit in the car ...
        But it will not be possible to do one thing in a helmet - unbutton the laryngophone in and throw the headset on your back so that it dangles there, and the wind walks through your hair)))
        1. kapitan92
          kapitan92 17 September 2020 23: 11
          +4
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          But it will not be possible to do one thing in a helmet - unbutton the laryngophone in and throw the headset on your back so that it dangles there, and the wind walks through your hair)))

          good drinks
          This is a memory of youth and wonderful times. Eh! Time is running out!
          For this case, so that the wind blows, you need to keep it in the tank, and it looks like a hussar, but to fight, I think, is safer in a "light and reliable helmet". hi
        2. Dmitry Zabelin
          Dmitry Zabelin 24 September 2020 12: 04
          +1
          For tankers and mechanized drivers there is a uniform with impregnation, light armor, a loop on the armor to pull it out of the hatch and a titanium pad for a helmet with recesses for headphones. In Chechnya, in 2006 or 7, they began to give them. Maybe earlier, I don't remember anymore
      2. Bad_gr
        Bad_gr 18 September 2020 00: 05
        +4
        Quote: kapitan92
        Maybe it's time to switch to modern "headgear" for tankers.

        Modern Russian protection kit for crew members of armored vehicles 6B15 "Cowboy"

        ".... Protection set 6B15" Cowboy "provides protection for the neck, shoulders and groin area of ​​the tanker, transportation and placement of standard weapons, as well as other items that are included in the standard equipment of servicemen of this type of troops. In addition, the suit ensures the smooth performance of the entire spectrum functional tasks by any member of the crew of a combat vehicle for 2 full days (48 hours). The armor-protective elements of the suit are made of ballistic fabric based on high-strength Russian Armos fiber, which has moisture and oil-repellent treatment. ... " https://topwar.ru/18055-individualnyy-zaschitnyy-komplekt-tankista-6b15-kovboy.html
        1. kapitan92
          kapitan92 18 September 2020 00: 27
          +5
          Quote: Bad_gr
          Modern Russian protection kit for crew members of armored vehicles 6B15 "Cowboy"

          I read about this kit. I'm not sure if all the armored units got this.
          hi
        2. Serg koma
          Serg koma 18 September 2020 12: 18
          +4
          Do you put on a helmet-cover on a headset? belay The "head" is twice as large as in a headset.
      3. domokl
        18 September 2020 04: 08
        +2
        Quote: kapitan92
        Maybe it's time to move on to something like that, which will protect against secondary damage in the tank, light and comfortable.

        Read the last part carelessly. It is these helmets that will be used in a combat situation according to the order of the RF Ministry of Defense.
        1. kapitan92
          kapitan92 18 September 2020 10: 01
          +1
          Quote: domokl
          It is these helmets that will be used in a combat situation according to the order of the RF Ministry of Defense.

          The crew will be handed out before the battle! laughing
      4. Ivan Tixiy
        Ivan Tixiy 18 September 2020 19: 27
        +2
        Yes, they have already invented it for a long time. My question is when the old stocks run out. Immediately invented by the writers of the intelligentsia, try to insert "women still give birth", "no man, no problem." No wonder it is believed that one intellectual will shed so much blood that no general dreamed of ..........
      5. Alex1949
        Alex1949 26 September 2020 16: 09
        +1
        I saw on TV that a new headset is being proposed in the form of a helmet to protect against bullets and shrapnel. They just forgot that the tank helmet protected both the throat and neck from hypothermia. And there was also a winter helmet, a fur one. In winter, any frost was not terrible. The proposed new one does not have these functions. This is bad.
    4. EvilLion
      EvilLion 18 September 2020 09: 14
      -1
      But the Germans conquered the entire WWII without headsets.
  3. polpot
    polpot 17 September 2020 18: 10
    +8
    In 1987 we wore outfits in the kitchen or in the park, a black overalls were very comfortable.
  4. da Vinci
    da Vinci 17 September 2020 18: 17
    12
    Several kits for each type of robot are great, especially for peacetime. Only in combat conditions you cannot put a cabinet on a tank. soldier
  5. Reviews
    Reviews 17 September 2020 18: 22
    +2
    Not very informative, but interesting article.
  6. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 17 September 2020 18: 27
    22
    I have in my personal collection two more Soviet headsets. Winter and summer - a gift from an uncle.
    I have never heard of kersey helmet phones, but I perfectly remember the veteran's performance in front of us. He then brought his legend. Genuine leather headset! We all felt her and feigned envy.
    Well, as for the "brilliant" solutions ... I have my own vision. You can do with one overalls. But it should be made of non-combustible fabric, with well-thought-out pockets and a valve and ... the colors of general military units, but with pre-applied stains that imitate drips of oil, dirt and rust! This will create a camouflage effect and will not annoy the bosses!
    1. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 18 September 2020 00: 19
      +4
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      I have my own vision. You can do with one overalls.

      If you remember from the films, all the security officers are in leather jackets. Where did the jackets come from? Cars purchased abroad were equipped with clothes for the driver. All leather. She has good fire resistance. (Yes, I got it in oil, wiped it with a cloth - and again clean).
      On expensive cars of that time, the seats were trimmed with expensive fabric, but the driver's seat was trimmed with leather (here, for practical reasons, since the fabric under the driver would not remain clean for long.)
      1. Bad_gr
        Bad_gr 18 September 2020 00: 32
        0
        I remembered when I myself served (Debrecen, Hungary) Summer overalls were issued to the training ground in winter, we wore them over the PSh and greatcoats. Often the overalls were with holes and fragments of overcoats peeped into these holes. In general, all this did not look very good. There was no such disgrace in the linear parts.
      2. ycuce234-san
        ycuce234-san 18 September 2020 02: 37
        0
        the matter under the driver would not remain clean for long

        Now there are Teflon-based fabrics that are difficult to get dirty and easy to wash - this is for technical work. And as for the fire-fighting properties of clothing - it is wiser to issue a separate fire-protective and loose-fitting suit, such as a Hungarian jacket and harem pants with a thick upper layer of micro-perforated fire-resistant silicone rubber, heavily reinforced with fiberglass and metal foil, for such a case - this material burns and burns out very much and it is very bad and does not allow burning liquids to quickly get on the body, and you can quickly throw it off while remaining in a tight camouflage jacket. It is difficult to combine all the requirements in one suit and it is better to have a separate technical equipment and a separate fire protection one.
      3. domokl
        18 September 2020 04: 11
        +1
        Quote: Bad_gr
        Cars purchased abroad were completed with clothes for the driver

        Exactly. It's not for nothing that I inserted leather boots when the infantry walked in coils. By the way, for some time headsets were also made of leather. Even during the war, many tankers had such, and the commanders of brigades and above almost always received leather helmets.
      4. Abram Ivanovich
        Abram Ivanovich 18 September 2020 11: 37
        +1
        I had that jacket ... It was inherited, it was 50 years old, and at least she could get henna. Just fucked up to complete impossibility :)
      5. Serg koma
        Serg koma 18 September 2020 12: 37
        +3
        Quote: Bad_gr
        All leather. She has good fire resistance

        The tankers had a uniform made of leather, until there were such numerous troops, then only the command staff remained, then they also remained without "skin".



    2. domokl
      18 September 2020 04: 06
      +2
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      I've never heard of tarpaulin helmet phones

      Your headsets are made of tarpaulin ... laughing You just know that the tarpaulin for soldiers' boots and the tarpaulin for headsets are different materials. The article has an indication of this. The material of tarpaulin is called so by the name of the manufacturer-Kirovskiy plant of artificial leather. KIROVSKIY ZAVOD
    3. mmaxx
      mmaxx 18 September 2020 07: 02
      +2
      The opposite is true. The bosses should always have a reason to get to the bottom of the subordinate. Dress code is the most obvious. Eh ...
  7. Lopatov
    Lopatov 17 September 2020 18: 32
    +3
    Already in 1981-82, the mechanics-drivers of combat vehicles practically abandoned black overalls and fought in the usual field uniform.

    laughing
    Did they have a choice?
    1. domokl
      18 September 2020 04: 13
      +2
      laughing Exactly. They just didn't wear overalls and that's it ... They rode as naked as the troops ...
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 19 September 2020 09: 43
        0
        Quote: domokl
        So.

        ??
        Here in our infantry mechanics were not worn by tankers either ... Because they were not given them out.
  8. BARKAS
    BARKAS 17 September 2020 18: 35
    +3
    Our self-propelled gunners also had such a uniform, only green, very comfortable, especially in winter.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 17 September 2020 18: 39
      +7
      Quote: BARKAS
      We self-propelled gunners, too, this uniform was only green

      Green is also a tank.

      Quote: BARKAS
      very comfortable especially in winter

      It was winter not on cotton, but on fur. That was really cool.
      1. Alexga
        Alexga 17 September 2020 18: 48
        +1
        In the conditions of the Mongolian winter, fur overalls turned out to be more comfortable and warmer, the fur was blown by the winds there. In the first winter I got a fur coat, and then I realized why those who hibernated there for 3-5 winters were laughing loudly at me.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 17 September 2020 18: 52
          +2
          The "slide" had to be dressed up 8))))) The Soviet canvas "slide" with tent impregnation was not blown by the wind.

          It was at one time a fashion among Siberian students, a leather jacket and a down jacket on top.
          1. Alexga
            Alexga 17 September 2020 18: 57
            +4
            Well, how to say, in the army they wear what they give out. The exception were high fur boots, which they tried to take off, but the felt boots were wiped after a few days. There is frost, but no snow!
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 17 September 2020 19: 02
              +3
              Quote: AlexGa
              The exception was the fur boots that were trying to remove

              When Dad served in ZabVO, it seemed like they were allowed without questions.

              Quote: AlexGa
              but the boots were wiped after a few days.

              And felt? Which with gray thick tops and soles like high fur boots, felt-rubber. There were none?
              1. Alexga
                Alexga 17 September 2020 19: 12
                +4
                No, there were none. Such, probably, did not reach Transbaikalia. In post-Soviet times, they tried to issue them in Belarus, but with local winters with rains, it was hard and uncomfortable, and then ankle boots and fur ankle boots came for everyday wear. And once we got cool leather gloves of exceptional quality.
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 17 September 2020 19: 21
                  +4
                  Quote: AlexGa
                  but with local winters with rains, hard and uncomfortable

                  In Kolomna, they were great. Guards, field trips, practical exercises
                  Then, in SKVO, they gave out slightly different ones, with black or dark blue felt and soles, like those of kirzach. Those were really getting wet and falling apart.
      2. domokl
        18 September 2020 04: 17
        +1
        Quote: Spade
        Green is also a tank.

        Self-propelled guns, by order of the People's Commissar of Defense, dressed according to tank standards. Moreover, after the universalization of the chassis of tanks and self-propelled guns, mechanics = drivers, after being cured in hospitals, could be sent both to tank units and to artillery. Depending on the need and state of health.
  9. Bormanxnumx
    Bormanxnumx 17 September 2020 19: 41
    0
    The headset was made of tarpaulin. True, this fabric is related to soldiers' boots only by the name of the manufacturer. Plain fabric rubberized with rubber.

    So it seems like kersey boots are also made of cotton fabric impregnated with rubber?
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 17 September 2020 21: 03
      0
      Apparently the author adheres to the version that the word "tarpaulin" came from the abbreviation KIRovsky Zavod of some kind of products, I don't remember exactly. There are other options for the formation of the word, but it's hard for me to imagine a helmet made of this synthetics. I saw leather.
      1. Free wind
        Free wind 18 September 2020 03: 14
        +1
        The author most likely does not know the "DERMANTIN" beast of especially valuable breeds, many products were sewn from its skin. laughing
      2. domokl
        18 September 2020 04: 20
        0
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        Apparently the author adheres to the version

        In principle, a very good version. But this name is not written because. It's just that in some documents of that time, the material of the headset was indicated exactly. In particular, the order of 36 ...
        1. Free wind
          Free wind 19 September 2020 04: 11
          0
          And here is a very interesting situation, tarpaulin, tarpaulin boots began to be sharpened from September 41. And the author wrote about 36 years old, even then the kersey was mentioned. ... Maybe someone knows about this? And we ate kirzuha.
  10. Clear
    Clear 17 September 2020 19: 42
    +6
    Tankmen of the Red Army

    These (in the photo) and our other wonderful guys-tankers, who broke the back of all the vaunted ... from the 1st to the 7th SS Panzer Corps ...
    I am sure that the current tankers will not shame their Glory! drinks

  11. Undecim
    Undecim 17 September 2020 19: 51
    +8
    the first overalls were blue. More precisely, dark blue. And they were called like this: overalls for the driver.
    In accordance with the "Provisional Regulations on the Clothing Allowance of the Red Army in Peacetime", which came into effect on January 1, 1929, a "worker suit - overalls" was introduced for the supply of the Red Army.
    Plain cotton fabric.
    The fabric was not ordinary, but rather durable - nanka.
    Therefore, fairly quickly, the dark blue color was replaced by black.
    1935 for the supply of the Red Army, a new sample of summer overalls was received - made of dark blue cotton fabric. It consists of a combination of a jacket and wide trousers, which are one piece in the front and detachable at the back. The collar of the jumpsuit is fold-over and fastens with a hook. The sleeves of the overalls are three-seam, with elbow pieces and with drawstring straps for tightening the bottom of the sleeve. The lower legs have tabs and buckles for tightening. Knee pads are stitched on the knees of the jumpsuit, and leis are on the seat. The belt fastens with a metal buckle to support it at the waist, two hooks are sewn on the sides. The jumpsuit has one pocket on the left side of the chest, covered with a flap, with a button fastening, and one pocket on the right side, covered with a half-flap, with a button fastening. The front slit of the jumpsuit has a zipper.
    It was in it that Soviet tankers met the war. In dark blue.

    And with the beginning of the war, sometimes they sewed "from what was." Therefore, there are black and gray, and even "khaki".
    But the official black color for tan overalls was adopted in 1947. And even during the war, "zippers" were often changed to buttons.
    1. swnvaleria
      swnvaleria 17 September 2020 20: 47
      0
      I heard that when they began to receive Lendleigh tanks, the set included overalls, beautiful, with lightning, but when it came to battles when leaving a wounded car, there were cases when these lightning cling to everything that was possible and the euphoria about beauty quickly passed
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 17 September 2020 21: 06
        +6
        My grandfather did not receive a Sherman. There were chocolates, scarves, socks, gloves. Even a bottle of whiskey and a can of stew in the barrel were smeared with grease, but there were no clothes.
        1. swnvaleria
          swnvaleria 17 September 2020 22: 27
          +1
          this is me from some kind of program, whether "the armor of Russia" or from a documentary film shot for the day of victory, heard a veteran tanker there talking about lightning on lendly lease suits, and my grandfather told me how, towards the end of the war, a bucket was hung on the barrel of t 34, whatever to be like IS 2, the German did not really want to fight against IS2
          1. kytx
            kytx 18 September 2020 06: 35
            +1
            The Americans supplied Shermans to China in this configuration
            from thompson and helmet to clothes, I don't know how they guessed with the size
        2. mmaxx
          mmaxx 18 September 2020 06: 56
          +1
          Someone just stole it earlier. They even ripped the leather / dermantin from the seats. Just turn away.
          1. swnvaleria
            swnvaleria 18 September 2020 11: 38
            0
            for what boots were sewn from this leatherette!
      2. Undecim
        Undecim 17 September 2020 23: 32
        +3
        There were no overalls in the kit. Sukhpay was. What size jumpsuit should I put?
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 17 September 2020 21: 05
      +7
      Quote: Undecim
      the "work suit - overalls" was introduced.

      That is, it was a "work" uniform. And not "special", which later began to refer to the tank overalls ...
      By the way, the author forgot about this moment ...
      Including for work on equipment, a working FD is intended


      It just needs to be supplied to the troops. Instead of saving, replacing with a substitution.
      1. mmaxx
        mmaxx 18 September 2020 06: 54
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        Plus comment. But the answer is: ha ha ha!
        All these pictures are invented for high management. But in fact ... one set of hb was worn out in the trash and that's it.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 19 September 2020 09: 39
          0
          Quote: mmaxx
          All these pictures are invented for high management. But in fact ... one set of hb was worn out in the trash and that's it.

          It was in the working room that they went to school in the dining room. True, for some reason, blue.

          Well, I wrote about the substitution below.
          1. mmaxx
            mmaxx 19 September 2020 10: 47
            0
            School .... This is for future officers. And the soldier will go anyway. To overcome steadily.
  12. Astra wild
    Astra wild 17 September 2020 19: 59
    +5
    Quote: AlexGa
    In the conditions of the Mongolian winter, fur overalls turned out to be more comfortable and warmer, the fur was blown by the winds there. In the first winter I got a fur coat, and then I realized why those who hibernated there for 3-5 winters were laughing loudly at me.

    All the same as: fur warmth and fur was blown by the winds. It’s not logical
    1. Alexga
      Alexga 17 September 2020 21: 30
      +1
      I'm sorry, I wanted to write a cotton jumpsuit.
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 18 September 2020 04: 02
        0
        Quote: AlexGa
        I'm sorry, I wanted to write a cotton jumpsuit.

        You forgot to write that fur overalls were issued to officers, and wadded overalls were issued to conscripts. When there were no fur in the warehouses, the officers received cotton wool (it was necessary to "fight" in something).
        To be honest, the winter field uniform for the "combined arms" was inconvenient not only because it was a "stake", but also because it had to be contrived to sew on epaulettes, put on a belt, an officer's bag ...
        Fur "tankers" were very prestigious. And regimental commanders (sometimes) did not disdain not only them, but also flight jackets.
  13. Astra wild
    Astra wild 17 September 2020 20: 02
    +6
    Author, check your work would win 50% if you add illustrations
  14. Undecim
    Undecim 17 September 2020 20: 13
    +9
    The headset was made of tarpaulin. True, this fabric is related to soldiers' boots only by the name of the manufacturer. Plain fabric rubberized with rubber. Rollers stuffed with horsehair or other components were sewn onto the helmet. Special valves for headphones are sewn directly opposite the ears. Pleated lining (summer) or natural fur (winter). Adjustment to the size of the tanker's head is made using straps at the top and on the back of the head.
    In the mechanized troops (later the armored vehicles) of the Red Army, military personnel were equipped with helmets of the 1931 model and the 1934 model. Since at that time the army did not have radio stations and intercoms, helmets were not helmets.

    Helmet of the 1931 model.

    Helmet of the 1934 model.
    Initially, helmets were made of chevrette, a type of leather made by chrome tanning of sheep and ram skins. The main feature of the material is its small thickness (0.6-1.5 millimeters).
    However, avisent soon began to be used - an aviation tarpaulin - a dense cotton fabric.
    From "tarpaulin" - cotton fabric impregnated with synthetic rubber, they began to sew during the Great Patriotic War. By the way, this is not the same tarpaulin as on the boots - multilayer fabric treated with film-forming substances.
    And in 1936, bosoms for headphones were added to the helmet and the helmet became a headset.
  15. Dmitry Nikolaevich 69
    Dmitry Nikolaevich 69 17 September 2020 20: 57
    0
    He served in Czechoslovakia in 1987-89. The tank suit was black, then in 1988 they began to issue green ones.
  16. faterdom
    faterdom 17 September 2020 21: 37
    +6
    Winter helmets cost 25 rubles. And they were an enviable prey for a cunning demobilization, or someone else with sticky hands. And they were kept for them as for fur products - fivefold, that is, 125 rubles apiece. Therefore, having adopted his first communications platoon in his career, where there were several dozen of these helmets, he had to immediately put them in a bag - and home, to the hostel, because in a part of such a reliable place where they were not spioneers did not exist. He took with him exactly as much as he needed to the exercises, the division commander was always zero, taking into account the size of his large head.
    The second such coveted object were aviation watches (I still don’t understand - who needed them and why?) And testers.
    The "tanker" suit was of course a separate value, there was no "Afghan woman" yet, and in practice it was just much more convenient in practice.
    1. mmaxx
      mmaxx 18 September 2020 06: 50
      0
      How familiar is it ...
  17. saygon66
    saygon66 18 September 2020 01: 17
    +2
    - It seems like black overalls were worn by "clean" tankers, and green ones - by BMP crews, tankmen in tank battalions of motorized rifle regiments and self-propelled guns.
    - And there were also separate sets - a shirt and pants. On the shirt, one of the two breast pockets was made under a holster, made of leatherette ... and with a diamond above the pocket.
  18. svp67
    svp67 18 September 2020 01: 35
    +2
    Alas, I will disappoint you, the first overalls were blue.
    The first special clothing was LEATHER. There is such a Soviet film "Hot Days" in 1935, where the shape of our armored vehicles is well shown, there, by the way, the headset is not yet the same as we used to see ... But there are already "mono" overalls, these are those that are "dark blue "



    In general, I agree that there should be one uniform for work in the park and for training, but for a battle different, with bulletproof vests and new headsets, of the type that never went into series, still Soviet "Piastres"
  19. ecolog
    ecolog 18 September 2020 01: 38
    +1
    I wonder why the German tank crews of the Second World War are all in caps and they are not wearing some kind of protective headgear. in the pre-war photos they have some berets, then they are not. They didn't care about fighting in tanks?
    1. Avior
      Avior 18 September 2020 02: 24
      +3
      ... Already during the campaign in Poland, the head of the German tankers was covered only by caps. The reason for the abandonment of helmets by the Germans is still the subject of bitter controversy between experts and amateurs. According to one version, the pre-war German tank helmets simply did not dock with the radio equipment that German tank units had relied on very seriously from the very beginning of World War II. According to another version, the German tanks were quite spacious and comfortable, so head protection was not required. One way or another, for the entire period of the war, the Panzerwaffe did not introduce a special headgear that tankers would wear in a tank.

      In my opinion, although it was spacious, but a helmet would not hurt
      1. kytx
        kytx 18 September 2020 06: 48
        +1
        This is generally a mystery
        ours had headsets, the Americans had
        And the Germans drove all the war in berets and caps
        The version about the open space is not correct, in the same Sherman there was enough space.
      2. saygon66
        saygon66 18 September 2020 11: 13
        +2
        - In the late thirties they had a special headdress, in the form of a beret ...
      3. Bad_gr
        Bad_gr 18 September 2020 19: 40
        +1
        Quote: Avior
        In my opinion, although it was spacious, but a helmet would not hurt

        The helmet has another feature that no one mentioned: sound insulation. It is quite noisy from a running engine in a tank and, interestingly, it is problematic to talk to each other without a helmet, and if in a helmet, even if it is not connected, you can talk (speech is less clogged with engine noise).
        1. Avior
          Avior 19 September 2020 09: 11
          +2
          The Germans had headphones, they wore them over the cap, so the noise situation was similar to the helmet.
          And to talk in a tank instead of a microphone, tankers use a throatophone - it is placed directly on the vocal cords.
  20. Free wind
    Free wind 18 September 2020 04: 20
    0
    The article is interesting, but there are unclear points. How can a suit be made of tarpaulin, and even the welders are now working in it. Can tarpaulin with fireproof impregnation. Many things were made from the skin of young dermantine, well, from leatherette, for some reason the author writes in a circular about the tarpaulin. Kirza, in addition to boots, went to the manufacture of field bags and for holsters, it was offhand, of course, they were made of genuine leather. I don't like overalls. The degree of contamination is different for the jacket and trousers. Plus, the sleeves of the jacket get dirty much faster, no matter how hard you try. many repairmen use oversleeves and it is inconvenient to wash. A jacket + trousers or semi-overalls are much more comfortable, well, there are people with a non-standard figure, they look funny on short-legged overalls. To the comments. Felt is made from goat fluff, especially valuable from rabbit fluff, went for hats and for valuable things, do you think that felt boots will be made from felt? Well, maybe they did it for generals, marshals, but there was more of a piece production. Gray felt boots, just not dyed. In felt boots for consumer goods, everything goes in a row of low quality, even cow wool from tanneries, so felt boots of this color were obtained. And it does not stand out so much in the snow as black ones, and even more so in the withered grass. Boots with rubber soles were heavy; in civilian life they preferred to use galoshes. There are special ones for boots. Unts probably have not seen many. Their sole is made of thick felt, there is no rubber there since birth. But many glued rubber to the soles, micro-pores, or used galoshes. NATO tankers have long used body armor and helmets. Is it possible to get into a tank in armor here? I remember Rogozin got stuck in the hatch, so they pulled him out in unison. As for a ride on a tank without equipment, the NATO man will be screwed up on the first number, in case of emergency he will not receive a nichrome.
    1. Captain45
      Captain45 19 September 2020 19: 22
      +1
      Quote: Free Wind
      To the comments. Felt is made from goat fluff, especially valuable from rabbit fluff, went for hats and for valuable things, do you think that felt boots will be made from felt?

      I remember that my dad once boasted that in his youth he had shoes, which he called "burki", such type of felt boots, but with leather soles and "unsoiled" that is, trimmed with leather along the edge. So, in the 50s, felt cloaks were like we did in the 80s, Adidas sneakers, well, very cool. Those. felt was used for the production of civilian footwear, albeit not in large quantities, but there were, by the way, generals' felt cloaks, too, in which G. Zhzhenov walks, playing a general in the movie "Hot Snow".
      1. Free wind
        Free wind 20 September 2020 02: 00
        0
        The cloaks were of course, I didn't know that they were felt. There were also goodbye youth shoes. Winter is close, we need to prepare.
  21. mmaxx
    mmaxx 18 September 2020 06: 47
    -1
    Our superiors think that a soldier needs several clothes for different occasions is something incredible. A turning point in consciousness. How many years did it take ...
  22. Recoil
    Recoil 18 September 2020 11: 33
    +1
    Winter overalls + felt boots are something)))) Yes, I was not cold, but the mobility was very conditional. And the standard for landing differed from winter to summer by only 3 seconds)))) How much dexterity and agility you need to have, so that you can jump on your armor in a wadded suit and felt boots?
  23. Slug_BDMP
    Slug_BDMP 18 September 2020 12: 07
    +1
    The helmet is our everything!
  24. Tarasios
    Tarasios 18 September 2020 13: 00
    +1
    Quote: Cetron
    They ripped off the tongue, once climbed without a headset - I had to sew up my forehead in the medical unit, a scar for life and science too!

    Perhaps they are hiding something from us and Harry Potter was a young tanker? ;))
  25. deddem
    deddem 18 September 2020 13: 08
    0
    The most offensive is that the idea of ​​a two-piece uniform for tankers was implemented back in the 1930s by all the beaten French: ((

    Tenue de Travail (work uniform) - canvas wide pants with drawstrings at the bottom and a tight canvas jacket with a built-in belt, yes.

    Tenue de Combat (combat uniform) - the same pants, plus a 3/4 length leather jacket and a steel (duralumin for radio operators) helmet with a head shock absorber and headphone slots in leather straps. Plus glasses with shatterproof glass and rubber seals that fit tightly to the face.

    True, Frenchmen were often lazy to change their pants and went into battle in oiled work pants.
    And helmets and goggles had a small nomenclature of sizes, which is why for people with even a slightly non-standard head, the slots under the ears did not match the ears, and the seals in the glasses interfered with the view.
  26. seacap
    seacap 18 September 2020 15: 11
    0
    Quote: kapitan92
    Why not? Or "women still give birth"?

    And how in this "pot" for days at a temperature of 60-70 degrees? Can you imagine the "armor" and "oven" inside somewhere in the Astrakhan region, in the Caucasus, not to mention the distant southern countries, such as Equatorial Africa? In the same DRA, the uniform was often "times" headset-pants-boots (sneakers). Almost all of our armor is not "Abrams and Leclercs", if there is any kondishin, it is in the form of a fan that blows with the effect of a blowtorch or purely symbolic and even more for cooling equipment. Hence the preference for flammable cotton and other natural fabrics. By the way, the black tank overalls in the 80s and 90s were supplied with fire retardant impregnation.
  27. moreman78
    moreman78 18 September 2020 15: 18
    +1
    Why NOT ONE ILLUSTRATION, there is only one photo! Is it hard to google on the internet? After all, a mass of photos and pictures could have been added to the article for clarity.
    1. Avior
      Avior 19 September 2020 09: 17
      +1
      I think it's not so simple.
      We can post anything in the comments, this is private communication, the editorial board must take into account possible copyright and rights of copyright holders, it is more difficult for them.
  28. Tarasios
    Tarasios 18 September 2020 15: 30
    0
    Quote: moreman78
    Why NOT ONE ILLUSTRATION, there is only one photo! Is it hard to google on the internet? After all, a mass of photos and pictures could have been added to the article for clarity.

    it's so simple. The author laid out the article at night looking. Overalls for tankers are black. That is - black overalls on a black night would still not be visible;)
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  30. Petrograd
    Petrograd 18 September 2020 17: 36
    0
    [/ i] The overalls were completely unsuitable for the administration of natural needs [i]and this apparently does not take into account at all that the servicemen are also lyudin in the navy, the same garbage until you unbutton these countless buttons, so either it’s already transferred or in the wash repeat
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  32. Alecsandr
    Alecsandr 19 September 2020 11: 14
    +1
    A story from life. He served in a tank regiment. We receive new winter tank overalls. Even before they had time to sign the names on them, several sets mysteriously disappear right from the locker. The company officer immediately demobilized - you sent them home in parcels. The inquiry lasted a long time. and the investigation of who, what and how, but everything is useless. There are many post offices in Klaipeda - you can't go around everything. And the parcels, apparently, were sent by civilians. In short, everything stalled. Old overalls were washed to replenish the presence and that's all. These eagles were in its time. And most importantly, and in the company no one let slip whose hands it was. And winter overalls in civilian life are a good thing to go fishing.
  33. Maxim Aranson
    Maxim Aranson 19 September 2020 12: 36
    0
    If my memory serves me correctly, the blue dense cotton fabric (I don’t remember what it was called? Twill?) Was used to make workwear back in the 19th century and has proven itself very well. Therefore, at first they used it.
  34. Severok
    Severok 20 September 2020 12: 02
    0
    Quote: Ivan Tixiy
    Yes, they have already invented it for a long time. My question is when the old stocks run out. Immediately invented by the writers of the intelligentsia, try to insert "women still give birth", "no man, no problem." No wonder it is believed that one intellectual will shed so much blood that no general dreamed of ..........

    change the word "intilligent" into two words - "effective manager" and everything will fall into place.
  35. Lexa-149
    Lexa-149 20 September 2020 12: 53
    +1
    Replace it with another tank legend - a helmet.

    A helmet is not a headdress, like a beret or a cap. The headset is a machine accessory.
  36. certero
    certero 22 September 2020 20: 25
    0
    It's simple, as soon as money appears, three sets of clothes can be made at once. And if not, then no.
  37. Yaroslav Tekkel
    Yaroslav Tekkel 2 October 2020 01: 29
    0
    The most offensive is that the idea of ​​a two-piece uniform for tankers was implemented back in the 1930s by all the beaten French: ((

    And by whom all? They were beaten only by the Germans at the beginning of the war, but the Germans, frankly, beat many people then. Then the French received normal supplies, communications and air support and fought no worse than the British with the Americans, and for Bir-Hakeim and Domper and the Russians in their best moments would not be ashamed.