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PLA Navy becomes the largest fleet in the world

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Chinese President Xi Jinping at a Navy ceremony. Photo by Xinhua


On September 1, the US Department of Defense published a new report, "Military and Secure Developments Involving the People's Republic of China 2020", dedicated to the defense capabilities of the People's Republic of China. Along with other topics, the document examines the development of the naval forces. According to the estimates of American specialists, the PLA's fleet has already become the largest in the world in terms of the number of combat units.

General trends


The report notes that by now the PRC has created a fleet, which includes approx. 350 pennants. This number includes more than 130 ships of the main classes. Such successes are due to the development of the design school and the shipbuilding industry. In terms of tonnage and the number of ships under construction, China now surpasses any other country.

For comparison, the general indicators of the second largest fleet - US Navy. At the beginning of 2020, there were 293 ships in service. Thus, military shipbuilding has become one of the areas where the PRC has caught up with the United States or surpassed them.

The development of the PLA Navy continues. Its main method is the gradual abandonment of old offshore platforms with limited capabilities in favor of modern multipurpose combat units. To date, the core of the fleet consists of ships of a new construction with expanded anti-aircraft, anti-ship and anti-submarine capabilities.


Destroyer "Nanchang" pr. "055". Photo Cjdby.net

In this case, we are talking about the development and construction of ships of all main classes and ranks. Aircraft carriers, destroyers, landing ships, submarines of different classes, etc. are under construction at the same time. Much attention is paid to the development of technologies and the creation of new ship systems for various purposes.

In the recent past, the main goal of the development of the fleet was to ensure maximum combat capability within the nearest seas. The current doctrine provides for further improvement of the Navy for effective work in remote areas.

Underwater priorities


The Pentagon believes that one of the priority areas in the development of the PLA Navy is the development and construction of new submarines. Now the PRC has only four nuclear strategic missile carriers, and two more are under construction. There are also six multipurpose nuclear submarines and 50 diesel-electric ships. It is assumed that until the end of the twenties, the submarine forces will be maintained at the level of 65-70 pennants.


Corvette "Type 056". Photo Wikimedia Commons

One of the main tasks in the context of submarine forces is the construction and deployment of strategic SSBNs. Type 094 submarines are under construction, capable of carrying 12 JL-2 ballistic missiles. Last year, a dozen such SLBMs were shown at the parade in honor of the 70th anniversary of the PRC, which indicates the readiness of at least one ammunition for the submarine. Thus, Type 094 becomes the first full-fledged representative of the maritime component of the strategic nuclear triad.

Construction of a new generation SSBN Type 096 is underway. The Pentagon believes that due to this, by 2030, the PLA Navy will have up to eight strategic missile carriers of two projects.

In parallel, the construction of underwater "hunters" with a nuclear or diesel power plant continues. Diesel-electric submarines of the pr. "Type 039A / B" are produced in large series. By 2025, their total number will exceed 25. The appearance of an improved multipurpose nuclear submarine "093B" is expected, capable of attacking surface and coastal targets.

Surface achievements


At the end of last year, the first aircraft carrier of its own construction, Shandong, was admitted to the Navy. They also developed their own project, according to which the next ship is now being built. It will be larger than its predecessors, will receive a flat flight deck and launch catapults. It is expected that such an aircraft carrier will join the ranks of the Navy no later than 2024, and after it new ships will be built.


Strategic missile submarine pr. "094". Photo US Naval Institute

Ships of other classes are being built at a high rate. Thus, at the end of 2019, the laying of the sixth Type 055 destroyer took place. The lead ship of this project was handed over to the Navy in January; three more will follow before the end of the year. By the beginning of this year, the construction of the 23rd Type 052D destroyer was launched. In the following months, two more buildings were laid. Construction of a series of 30 Type 054A frigates was completed last year.

Measures are being taken to increase the potential of the Navy in the coastal zone. The main one is the construction of Type 056 (A) corvettes. Of the 70 planned for operation, 42 have been commissioned. Such corvettes differ in modular architecture and can be equipped with different equipment. In particular, the latest ships in the series are optimized for anti-submarine missions.

The construction of the amphibious fleet continues. In 2020, the introduction of the eighth Type 071 UDC is expected. Also this year, the lead ship, project "075", launched in 2019, will begin service. Completion of the second UDC of this type has already begun, and the third is also laid. Three ships with a displacement of 40 thousand tons will significantly expand the landing capabilities of the Navy.

Missile potential


The main strike means of the surface forces of the Navy and multipurpose nuclear submarines are cruise missiles of various types. So, on modern low-rank ships and on modernized old ships, YJ-83 missiles with a range of up to 180 km are used. More modern combat units receive YJ-62 products, flying 400 km. Some of the latter ships are equipped with the YJ-12A complex (285 km).


Launching the lead UDC "Type 075", September 2019 Photo of the PLA Navy

The command of the Navy speaks openly about the difficulties with the introduction of long-range missiles. Their use requires special reconnaissance and target designation tools capable of identifying targets beyond the radar horizon of the carrier ship. In this regard, the development of a variety of shipborne, aviation and satellite complexes.

The problem of mass character


Pentagon analysts counted in the Chinese Navy approx. 350 warships, boats and submarines of different classes and designs. In terms of the size of the payroll, the Chinese fleet is indeed the largest in the world and surpasses all competing navies, including the US. However, such findings from a recent report only take into account quantitative indicators, not qualitative ones.

The most popular model in the PLA Navy is the Type 022 missile boat. The boat has a displacement of only 220 tons and carries eight C-801 missiles with a firing range of less than 200 km. "Type 022" have been under construction since the beginning of the 80s, and by now more than XNUMX units have been delivered to the fleet. Thus, almost a quarter of the payroll of the Navy falls on the "mosquito fleet" of boats of just one project. At the same time, one should not forget about the less massive missile and artillery boats in the amount of several dozen.


UDC pr. "071" accompanied by two boats "Type 022". Photo US Naval Institute

However, larger ships - the corvettes of the project "056 (A)", also reached mass production. These ships with a displacement of 1500 tons and a length of 90 m carry a multipurpose weapon system for work on different purposes. So, the main striking means are YJ-83 missiles in the amount of 4 pieces. The Navy wants 70 of these corvettes, and more than half of these plans have already been completed.

We should also recall the 7500-ton Type 052D destroyers, ordered in the amount of 25 units. More than half of such an order was successfully completed, and the ships entered the combat composition of the fleet.

Larger combat units, such as destroyers or UDC, have to be built in much smaller batches, although they regularly leave the stocks and replenish the Navy. Aircraft carriers, in turn, are "piece goods" and may appear no more often than once every few years. However, such ships are not required in large numbers.

Quantity and quality of


The total number of pennants in the PLA Navy is of some interest, but attention should be paid to the development trends of the fleet. First of all, the pace and volume of construction attracts attention. The forces of several large factories ensure the parallel production of ships of different types, and annually they hand over up to 12-15 large orders, not counting various boats, auxiliary ships, etc.


The boat "Type 22" is the most massive model of the Navy. Photo US Naval Institute

Multipurpose destroyers of several types are gradually becoming the backbone of the fleet in quantitative and qualitative terms. With their help, the Navy is able to display the flag at a great distance from the bases and solve combat missions within the nearest "chains of islands". Measures are also being taken to develop the aircraft carrier and amphibious fleet, taking into account the basic needs of the Navy and current threats. Construction of a full-fledged naval component of the strategic nuclear forces has begun.

Thus, the Chinese naval forces are gradually becoming one of the key "players" in the region, and only the US Navy can compete with them on equal terms. China's shipbuilding plans are scheduled for several years ahead and provide for the further development of the fleet. The growth of its indicators and the expansion of capabilities will affect the military-political situation in the Pacific Ocean. And therefore, the current Pentagon report is unlikely to be the last document with frightening details of the development of the PLA.
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  1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
    Kote Pan Kokhanka 3 September 2020 05: 25 New
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    What can I add, well done Chinese!
    1. Ragnar Lodbrok
      Ragnar Lodbrok 3 September 2020 06: 32 New
      18
      Everything went to this ... There is only one thing left to congratulate, let's not talk about sad things ...
    2. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich 3 September 2020 06: 45 New
      12
      Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
      then add here, well done Chinese!

      well done, of course yes. what will they do when they turn around, where will they look at their awakened ambitions and who will be given a check to pay them?

      I am sure that both Russia and the United States are painfully puzzled by the hungry dragon.

      so compliments are correct and everyone needs to cover soft places urgently, otherwise the reptile will bite.
      1. Narak-zempo
        Narak-zempo 3 September 2020 08: 46 New
        -19
        Russia has nothing to worry about. After all, "Russian and Chinese are brothers forever" laughing
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 3 September 2020 08: 50 New
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          Yes, it is proven by Damansky! laughing
          1. Narak-zempo
            Narak-zempo 3 September 2020 10: 22 New
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            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Yes, it is proven by Damansky! laughing

            But the Father of Nations should not have been thrown out of the Mausoleum ...
          2. Nemchinov Vl
            Nemchinov Vl 4 September 2020 21: 42 New
            0
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Yes, it is proven by Damansky! laughing
            and even earlier .... and the conclusion of peace in the "Star Temple" ...?!
      2. antivirus
        antivirus 3 September 2020 09: 08 New
        +8
        The growth of its indicators and the expansion of capabilities will affect the military-political situation in the Pacific Ocean.

        - not mentioned Indian
      3. snake
        snake 3 September 2020 12: 34 New
        -1
        Quote: Maki Avellevich
        what they will do when they turn around, where they look at their awakened ambitions

        For a seed, a couple of proverbs: Nature does not tolerate emptiness, Where it is thin - there it breaks, A holy place is never empty.
        And now the map:

        Thinking, reflecting, visualizing ...
        Given that, as such, the war is likely not to be. Migration, displacement, assimilation and other scientific (and not only) terms and concepts.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 3 September 2020 16: 33 New
          +6
          Quote: serpent
          Thinking, reflecting, visualizing ...

          Given in China morgue average hospital temperature.
          This map makes it much better to understand where the vector of Chinese settlement is directed.

          They are clearly not drawn to the north. smile
          1. Oquzyurd
            Oquzyurd 3 September 2020 18: 57 New
            +1
            It doesn’t pull the number by their standards, but over 300 million live in the north of the country. sad Note that the Russian Federation has a population of 30 million from the Urals to smoked.
            1. CSKA
              CSKA 7 September 2020 13: 24 New
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              Quote: Oquzyurd
              It does not pull the number by their standards, but over 300 million live in the north of the country. Note that the Russian Federation has a population of 30 million from the Urals to smoked.

              Their north is like our Rostov region and Krasnodar Territory.
          2. snake
            snake 3 September 2020 19: 12 New
            0
            In the west of China there are mostly mountains.
          3. Per se.
            Per se. 4 September 2020 05: 48 New
            +4
            Quote: Alexey RA
            This map makes it much better to understand where the vector of Chinese settlement is directed.
            Here is a map of the settlement of the prefectures of the Japanese, they are clearly not drawn "to the north" either. I personally had a chance to talk with one Japanese, according to him it turned out that it was too cold in Hokkaido, but Japan really needs the islands from the Kuril ridge.

            By such a crafty logic, Russians are not drawn to the Far East, and Antarctica should not be needed by anyone, but for some reason it has been scandalously divided into sectors for a long time. It is unlikely that the riches of Siberia and the Far East are not interesting to our Chinese "comrades", our government has already unilaterally donated strategically important sections of Russian territory to the PRC during the "demarcation" of the border, but the "comrades" soon made claims to the regions of the Altai Territory. There is no need to naively flirt with China, for that is not why the West "fattens" it alongside Russia.
          4. Imperial Technocrat
            Imperial Technocrat 4 September 2020 20: 02 New
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            By the way, the population of China is only in the region of 400-450 million India - about 215 million
        2. Angelo Provolone
          Angelo Provolone 4 September 2020 02: 00 New
          +6
          Migration, displacement, assimilation

          Yes, yes, yes ... You might think ...
          There have been no Chinese here since the beginning of the XNUMXs. They are cold here, and most importantly, salaries in China have become no less.
          North Koreans have passed away since the beginning of 2010.
          In Vladivostok, there are more Uzbeks with Kyrgyz than all Asians put together 10 times.
          Migration, displacement, assimilation
          - it must be replaced by genocide of the local population, that is, Russians. Namely: rampant corruption of the authorities.
          Here is the latest news from Vladivostok:
          The most expensive prickly spruce on the FarPost.ru website is a six-meter tree for 90 rubles. The average retail price of seedlings 000-2 meters high is 2,5-20 rubles. Whereas the city administration signs a purchase at 000 rubles per tree, and there are only 30 of them (quite a wholesale volume).

          https://www.newsvl.ru/vlad/2020/08/18/192378/
          Add to this the infill of the city. Few squares, narrow roads, traffic jams, problems with garbage disposal, garbage mafia. The region is mired in corruption. This all reduces the quality of life of the population and there is a general migration from here of the population to the western regions.
          If they did with the governor of Primorsky Krai what people would go out with Furgal not to a rally, but to puting. So it got it all. Outright theft, corruption ... The Moscow mafia regards the region as a place where one can steal in silence. And they are pulling both local and Moscow ... In front of the eyes of people, they tug at the "blanket" ...
          In general, the problem is not assimilation, but genocide.
          1. PROVINCIAL
            PROVINCIAL 4 September 2020 09: 27 New
            +2
            I agree to all 100. I will only add that not only you alone have this problem. Rather, it is a problem for the entire country. The question is - when will THEY get drunk, and will not start working for money and fear, but for conscience?
        3. smart ass
          smart ass 4 September 2020 14: 33 New
          +1
          It turns out that the Chinese will seize Africa and Australia)) they have no atomic bomb)
          1. snake
            snake 4 September 2020 15: 41 New
            +1
            It is still up to them to go / swim. And the sparsely populated DV - here it is - extend your hand.
    3. Finches
      Finches 3 September 2020 07: 10 New
      -1
      Well done! But when I look at photos of Chinese weapons, not only ships, but in general - they still lack the grace of lines inherent in Russian weapons! I don’t want to say anything about combat readiness, but just the visualization - even here in the photo you can see by the contours of the ships, the hieroglyphic shape ... laughing
      1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka 3 September 2020 09: 29 New
        +4
        But the camouflages are futuristic!
      2. snake
        snake 3 September 2020 12: 36 New
        +5
        Quote: Finches
        all the same there is no grace in them lines inherent in Russian weapons!

        What's this! Have you seen them corrupt? That is who lacks "grace" for sure! Indeed, it is difficult to look graceful with 9 grams in a thieving head.
      3. Charik
        Charik 3 September 2020 20: 37 New
        +1
        does not matter - the grace of the lines
    4. Civil
      Civil 3 September 2020 11: 41 New
      13
      During the lifetime of one generation, the communists of the PRC brought the country to the world leaders in everything, the army, the standard of living. And without any Ukraine.
    5. iouris
      iouris 3 September 2020 15: 44 New
      0
      You can add: a war won against someone. All around there are enemies.
  2. reader65
    reader65 3 September 2020 05: 33 New
    19
    And they put a thief against the wall ...
    1. iouris
      iouris 3 September 2020 15: 45 New
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      If the Chinese thieves are shot with only one AKM, then their number will still grow steadily: well, a very huge country.
  3. Magic archer
    Magic archer 3 September 2020 05: 50 New
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    So in 91-92, in the West Military District there was a good article about the Chinese Navy. I remember that the Chinese fleet lags behind in quality all NATO fleets, and even more so the American one. The missile armament was considered obsolete, since it was basically copies of old Soviet missiles of the 60s. The nuclear submarines were also in their infancy, there was no full-fledged unsuitable SSBN! They only dreamed of aircraft carriers. And now, 30 years have passed. Bravo!!! A strong economy, communism and competent development did their job. The Chinese still cannot finish only the nuclear submarine. But even then this is a matter of time.
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 3 September 2020 08: 27 New
      +2
      Quote: Magic Archer
      Strong economy, communism and smart development

      especially, of course, communism)
      1. Magic archer
        Magic archer 3 September 2020 11: 58 New
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        Well, for some reason, Russia also had a strong fleet only under the USSR. No analogy, right)? And by the way, I'm not a communist.
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 3 September 2020 12: 25 New
          -10
          Quote: Magic Archer
          No analogy, right)?

          absolutely none. Do you think that the "Chinese miracle" is the merit of the communist doctrine?
          1. Magic archer
            Magic archer 3 September 2020 12: 35 New
            11
            Is not it so?! China's economic miracle is a consequence of smart country management. And it is the communists who are in power in China wink
            1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 3 September 2020 12: 59 New
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              Quote: Magic Archer
              And it is the communists who are in power in China

              Come on - nominally communists. The reformers had no way out - they had to preserve the vertical and make it workable under the new conditions. And it would be absolutely irrelevant whether the CPC party or something like the "People's Confucian Rice and Justice Party" was called.
              1. Per se.
                Per se. 3 September 2020 14: 01 New
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                Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                nominally communists
                We can say, "national-communists", it will be more accurate, the fact that the Chinese "comrades" have nationalism already casts doubt on their entire "communism", which is international by definition. By the way, the German National Socialist Party, under Hitler, was related to Soviet socialism only in a play on words. What do I agree with Vladimir (Magic archer), it was socialism that pulled China out of the mud, or rather, the help of the Soviet Union. Without this help, without the support of the USSR, the Chinese would have failed.

                Why did the "Chinese miracle" become possible further, why did the West invest in China? So, after Damansky, after the PRC became an enemy of the USSR, the masters of world capitalism in the Chinese "national communists" saw instead of the defeated Third Reich, the first western anti-USSR, a new, already eastern anti-USSR. They turned a blind eye to the "commies", and to terry piracy and theft of technology. In addition, as it turned out, colossal profits can be made from counterfeit goods, and in this China has become a kind of new "Klondike" for big business. Therefore, no one is spreading rot on China, there is no isolation and sanctions, this is money and politics, where a new monster is being raised against Russia on the empty Russian borders.

                To rejoice for China ... It is unlikely that the Chinese military will walk along the bottom of the ocean in the United States, will not even float on their new UDC, but the empty rich Russian lands are just very close, if our bourgeois do not sell them or hand them over to " rent ". We will not survive without socialism, Russia and without "commies", with capitalism and oligarch brothers, spread rot and imposed sanctions. Because there is still the Soviet potential, the Soviet spirit, which will be destroyed by Western ghouls from transnational monopolies and their bad boys, buy and sell that they smartly sell the remnants of Soviet greatness and natural raw materials, puffing their cheeks just for ratings, in ostentatious butting with Western masters who keep their treasures.
              2. Fmax
                Fmax 4 September 2020 11: 10 New
                0
                That's just what Comrade Xi said.
        2. Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Kote Pan Kokhanka 3 September 2020 16: 49 New
          -6
          Quote: Magic Archer
          Well, for some reason, Russia also had a strong fleet only under the USSR. No analogy, right)? And by the way, I'm not a communist.

          Not only. During the years of the Russian Empire, we confidently occupied the 3-5th line of the great maritime powers.
    2. Ryusey
      Ryusey 3 September 2020 12: 16 New
      -2
      It remains only to prove in practice that he is worth something, which will soon happen, and they are unlikely to withstand the states.
      1. Magic archer
        Magic archer 3 September 2020 12: 19 New
        +1
        Well, initially the task was to surpass Japan. Which was eventually done. And the appetite comes with eating. So they decided to make it oceanic. And to be honest, I don't believe in direct clashes. Plus, the Americans have a huge advantage in the submarine fleet, which the Chinese perfectly understand
    3. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 3 September 2020 23: 42 New
      +1
      The private sector provides approximately 75% of GDP and 90% of jobs in China.
      The state controls the energy sector, part of the mining industry
      and most of the military-industrial complex.
  4. Greenwood
    Greenwood 3 September 2020 05: 50 New
    +7
    Soon our officials will conclude that it is unprofitable to build ships at domestic shipyards and will order them in China.
    1. saigon
      saigon 3 September 2020 06: 00 New
      +8
      Whether it is profitable or not is the second question, but our rates and theirs are the first number!
      We must always remember China is more dangerous for us than the United States and Europe, while we are friends and then what?
      1. Nastia makarova
        Nastia makarova 3 September 2020 08: 45 New
        0
        why is China dangerous? just do not say that they need the lands of siberia)))) they do not need land, they need resources that they can easily buy for pennies without any wars, why take risks and seize territory if you can buy everything
        1. saigon
          saigon 3 September 2020 09: 22 New
          +6
          Find a map of China during the Tang and Han dynasties, so they have not forgotten how the Japanese have a leap into the northern territories, so the Chinese (Han) have for the wall domains of previous eras.
          Of course, they don't yell loudly, but that is what it is.
          And we must be taken into account for them - hu, that is, barbarians and that they know very well how they do not rub gloss into round faces.
          1. Nastia makarova
            Nastia makarova 3 September 2020 09: 40 New
            -4
            while there is nuclear weapons, they will not stick their heads, it is easier for them to buy everything, now the land is not the most important thing
            1. saigon
              saigon 3 September 2020 14: 21 New
              +1
              Anastasia understand one Chinese (Han) at the core and always an agricultural nation and land means a lot to them.
              Land is always land, territory is always important.
        2. Postum
          Postum 3 September 2020 09: 24 New
          +6
          He doesn't need land, yeah, that's why he recently chopped off a piece of Tajikistan from them
          1. Nastia makarova
            Nastia makarova 3 September 2020 09: 49 New
            -5
            it was 2011 and did not chop off, but passed it on himself !!!
            1. Postum
              Postum 3 September 2020 12: 55 New
              -2
              It was in 2011 and now in this
        3. Grazdanin
          Grazdanin 3 September 2020 09: 41 New
          +4
          Quote: Nastia Makarova
          why is China dangerous?

          In Afghanistan, they fought against us with Chinese weapons, spooks trained by Chinese instructors. There were many times more Chinese weapons and instructors than the United States.
        4. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 3 September 2020 09: 43 New
          -4
          Quote: Nastia Makarova
          they need resources that they can easily buy for a penny without any wars

          Where do they buy resources for a penny? Specifically - what and from whom?
          1. Nastia makarova
            Nastia makarova 3 September 2020 09: 50 New
            0
            gas, timber, oil, fertilizers
            1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 3 September 2020 09: 52 New
              -3
              for a penny? Will you give us the contract prices?
              1. Nastia makarova
                Nastia makarova 3 September 2020 10: 42 New
                -2
                read at least for gas, at what discounts it is sold
                1. smart fellow
                  smart fellow 4 September 2020 10: 32 New
                  +1
                  Sold at market prices. Discounts were received by Ukraine and Belarus. For other products, incl. China also did not receive any discounts on military-industrial complex products. This is for Armenia, Tajikistan, etc., where other considerations were included, not just economic ones. Even Turkey, for example, received a loan to build a nuclear power plant. China, however, was also offered, but the Chinese refused. There is money, why pay interest. China has always tried to limit as much as possible in obtaining technology, but this has not always been possible. For example, they were denied the technology of aero-finishers and Russian experts were delighted that this would extend the term for the introduction of aircraft carriers by 2-3 years required for development on their own. But China got them from Brazil and reduced this period to 3 months.
                  It's like with Japan. It seems that Russian NG is cheaper than the Middle East, but in fact, Japan also buys LNG from South America under long-term contracts cheaper than Russian and Russia has no prospects for gas with Japan. For that, Sakhalin LNG from our own plant is enough - it provides multi-vector, which is why Lukashenka is criticized in this way.
                  1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 4 September 2020 11: 24 New
                    +1
                    I will never understand this arrogant attitude of the "big brother" in relation to the Chinese. Where does this disdainful arrogance come from: "they buy for cheap", "steal technology", "stupidly copy"? What naphthalene did these commentators get out of?
        5. Egor53
          Egor53 3 September 2020 10: 10 New
          -6
          There is no need to tell us liberal tales about the fact that "China buys resources from Russia for a penny." This is a blatant lie.
          China buys resources from Russia at market prices.
          China buys gas through the Power of Siberia at a price more than 2 times higher than Germany buys from us. The payback period for the Power of Siberia gas pipeline (with the entire infrastructure, including the Amur GPP) is only 4,5 years. This does not happen with purchases at cheap prices.
          1. frog
            frog 3 September 2020 10: 35 New
            +2
            The payback period for the Power of Siberia gas pipeline (with the entire infrastructure, including the Amur GPP) is only 4,5 years.

            But for some reason, there are persistently vile rumors that this "Force" is not even half full ... It is clear that the State Department is trying with might and main .... So he poisoned the fighter, the SP-2 Schaub was not allowed to finish building .. ..
            1. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 3 September 2020 13: 27 New
              +1
              The crisis in the yard and the fall of the Chinese economy, have you noticed?
              1. frog
                frog 3 September 2020 13: 56 New
                0
                But how to say, like there is some kind of hat, not without it wink
                On the other hand, there were nasty rumors before that, and not only about the loading of this very force ... And in the replica of tovarischa, somehow the moment about crises was not mentioned repeat Like, wow, how this craft pays off ... So thanks for the remembrance, but not to me hi
                Anyway, with this very payback of our great achievements, everything is ... ambiguous. For various reasons, of course, but some of them, unfortunately, are known to us fellow
          2. Dmitry V.
            Dmitry V. 3 September 2020 13: 35 New
            +2
            Quote: Egor53
            There is no need to tell us liberal tales about the fact that "China buys resources from Russia for a penny"


            Remind me how the Russian Federation was divorced in strength?
            First, an agreement was signed for the construction of a gas pipeline, and prices began to be coordinated "after" - they dumped so much that they even had to decide at the highest level - with the involvement of Putin and Xi.

            A similar trick was once performed with the Kazakh pipeline - when the money has already been invested in the pipeline, the supplier has no choice but to agree to the conditions of the Chinese.

            This is to the question of analysts and risks, which were not foreseen before the construction of the negotiating part on the gas price.

            From this, the branch to China is not filled - there are cheaper suppliers :))
            1. frog
              frog 3 September 2020 13: 57 New
              +1
              What boring things you say, however repeat
            2. frog
              frog 3 September 2020 13: 59 New
              +2
              And still in pursuit, so to speak ...
              The Ministry of Finance has removed from the monthly release on purchases / sales of foreign currency according to the budget rule data on the expected additional or shortfall in oil and gas revenues. Now it is impossible to estimate the budget losses from the reduction in oil and gas exports

            3. frog
              frog 3 September 2020 20: 38 New
              0
              And yet again in pursuit, it happened repeat
              Gazprom has started designing a new gas trunkline - Power of Siberia-2, said Alexey Miller, Chairman of the Management Board, at a conference call dedicated to the Day of Oil and Gas Industry Workers.

              “This year we have started designing a new gas pipeline - Power of Siberia-2. The task of this main gas pipeline is to unite the gas transmission systems of the east and west of the country, ”Miller said opening the meeting.


              Somehow a rake comes to mind wink
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 3 September 2020 08: 00 New
      +7
      Why not. For example, Marshal Rokossovsky and General Chernyakhovsky. Formally, it was developed by a St. Petersburg company and laid down at the Nevsky Shipyard on October 17, 2018, and at Chernyakhovsky at the Nevsky Shipyard on April 23, 2019.

      However, in fact, the ships were designed by the IIB (Odessa), and the Kuzey Star shipyard built for 14,1 billion rubles.

      And now, the head is already lowered.


      1. frog
        frog 3 September 2020 10: 37 New
        +6
        If you count all the projects of the IIB that we have in production, it will SUDDENLY become clear that this Ukrainian office is almost a monopoly on the market of civil ... legal proceedings. We will not mention the quality of projects repeat
        1. Avior
          Avior 3 September 2020 11: 07 New
          0
          http://www.meb.com.ua/projects.html
          interesting desk
          1. frog
            frog 3 September 2020 11: 12 New
            +3
            Yes not that word laughing But her works are even more interesting am and ... how it works so joyfully to this day. Already, the management of the USC has changed (which cheerfully pulled her up)))), but things are still there. Although in certain things they have quite a pluses. But the borscht as a whole turns out to be completely inedible. wink
          2. frog
            frog 3 September 2020 13: 57 New
            +1
            It's funny, minus for a link to the officialdom wink
    3. strelokmira
      strelokmira 3 September 2020 20: 56 New
      0
      Soon our officials will conclude that it is unprofitable to build ships at domestic shipyards and will order them in China.

      Do not be afraid, for them not to build a fleet at home, not to order abroad is equally unprofitable wink
  5. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 3 September 2020 06: 07 New
    +8
    I am not a naval commander, not a naval expert, but even then I understand that we are far behind our eastern neighbor, both quantitatively and qualitatively. And that doesn't make me happy.
    1. madrobot
      madrobot 3 September 2020 11: 14 New
      -9
      we are far behind our eastern neighbor, both quantitatively and qualitatively

      Are you serious? Or, within the framework of the concept, "all polymers have been fucked up"?
    2. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 3 September 2020 13: 29 New
      -10
      We should not worry about our lagging behind the PRC in terms of the Navy.
  6. certero
    certero 3 September 2020 06: 16 New
    -3
    Quote: saigon
    We must always remember China is more dangerous for us than the USA and Europe,

    Yes of course. After all, it was from China that Russia was invaded several times over the past two hundred years, and it was with China that we fought in the most terrible wars?
    China is quite a normal neighbor for our country. As long as Russia has a yokerbaton, China poses no danger. On the contrary, a developed state to which our Oil and Gas can be sold
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 3 September 2020 06: 23 New
      -7
      Quote: certero
      On the contrary, a developed state to which our Oil and Gas can be sold

      with the "Nord Stream" China sent us far and without bread. so nafig him raseyskiy gas.
      1. Graz
        Graz 3 September 2020 08: 01 New
        +8
        there are several branches going to China under the general name Power of Siberia, why you wrote this fake is not clear
      2. Egor53
        Egor53 3 September 2020 10: 16 New
        -1
        Grandfather Old is not only old, but also not very smart. (Maybe because he lives spiritually in Ukraine)
        China still needs Russian gas, and for the next 100 years. Gas from the Power of Siberia costs China at least $ 150 per 1000 cubic meters cheaper than LNG from Qatar. And Russia receives for gas from the Power of Siberia more than 2 times more than from the Nord Stream 1.
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 3 September 2020 11: 03 New
          +1
          Quote: Egor53
          Gas from the Power of Siberia costs China at least $ 150 per 1000 cubic meters cheaper than LNG from Qatar.

          Why, then, China imported 7 billion cubic meters of LNG in June, and only 2.6 billion cubic meters via the pipeline?
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 3 September 2020 23: 47 New
      0
      "On the contrary, a developed state to which our Oil and Gas can be sold" ////
      ----
      A developed state will not be able to push anything. Because it is developed and
      itself dictates its conditions to the resource-supplying countries.
  7. Plowman
    Plowman 3 September 2020 06: 20 New
    11
    Do not forget that 40-45 years ago, China wore straw hats and tattered trousers, today it is the world's economy, which boldly squeezes the United States. And our democrats in 30 years gave birth to only 140 billionaires in whom 90% of the country. Remove imports and store shelves will be empty. Those who cannot effectively invest in the development of the country must be expropriated, and let them start from scratch.
    1. Egor53
      Egor53 3 September 2020 10: 20 New
      -5
      Plowman, do you also want to remove food exports from Russia somewhere? And what about the export of nuclear fuel? By the way, soon the coronavirus vaccine will also be exported from Russia ... to the whole world.
    2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 3 September 2020 12: 48 New
      -1
      Quote: Plowman
      Do not forget that 40-45 years ago, China wore straw hats and tattered pants,

      If we go directly from the pants to the topic of the Navy, then this is what the Chinese Navy was like in 1960:


      The main force was the boat fleet, in which the navy, the people's militia and irregulars were engaged in island mopping-ups from "spies from Taiwan" and the fight against drug trafficking. Mao had no special naval ambitions; he lost interest in the navy. And then - discord with the Union and the cult revolution, which knocked down the fleet completely. Only with the approval of the new course in the early 80s, little by little, China began to get out of stagnation.
  8. Sailor
    Sailor 3 September 2020 06: 26 New
    +3
    This is because rich people are investing in the country, and not looted and taken out!
  9. Doccor18
    Doccor18 3 September 2020 07: 07 New
    +1
    A report that has only one goal - to knock out as much as possible from the Senate for the military-industrial complex corporations. Quantity in modern warfare is not as important as quality. If the Chinese Navy will become the first, then in 20 years of persistent Chinese work and huge capital investments. In the meantime, 2nd place, and this is without taking into account the atomic component.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 3 September 2020 07: 56 New
      13
      Well, according to AUGs, something like that. They have to do 35 AUG by 40-6.

      As for quality, another pair of destroyers was recently launched in Dalny.
      On August 29, 2020, the Dalian Shipbuilding Industry Company (Group) (DSIC), which is part of the Chinese state shipbuilding corporation China Shipbuilding Industry Corporation (CSIC in Dalian, hosted a launching ceremony eighth destroyer of project 055 и 052th Project XNUMXD destroyer.


      In Russia, ships of this type are not yet built or even contracted. For 64 and 112 missiles of the main types. The updated Gorshkovs have a maximum of 56 missiles, which are being laid since last year. If that - in general, rockets +/-. For destroyers 052D / 055, the main anti-aircraft missile system originates from the S-300PMU ammunition load, the main strike missile YJ-18 is a caliber made according to the clever scheme of close cooperation AA, but without direct deliveries. As a result, they bypassed the ban on 300 km of range, since this is their rocket formally.
  10. donavi49
    donavi49 3 September 2020 08: 10 New
    +5
    YJ-12A


    So far, only on 956 destroyers. The head one recently flashed at the exercises with new things - a VPU for Shtil-1, a new air defense missile system for completing the HHQ-10, new torpedoes (their MK46 clones), new electronic weapons, and the main missile system - 8 supersonic missiles YJ-12A.




    137 on a similar upgrade
  11. Kolin
    Kolin 3 September 2020 08: 45 New
    -1
    That's good, plus the destroyer, minus the brigade.
  12. silver_roman
    silver_roman 3 September 2020 11: 00 New
    +1
    With all due respect to the Chinese Navy:
    With their help, the Navy is able to display the flag at a great distance from the bases and solve combat missions within the close "chains of islands"

    this phrase says a lot.
    I looked at the tactical and technical characteristics of the strategist, their type-094, this is essentially our Project 667 Squid. the Chinese were helped to build by our specialists from Rubin. This is essentially technology from the 70s. A huge hump under an ICBM, which will greatly affect the noise level, I generally keep quiet about the performance characteristics of an ICBM. There is even no confirmation that they have separating warheads. The throw weight is also small, the range is 7-8 thousand km. The rest of the projects did not look, in particular, the same corvettes, frigates, destroyers. I think that the technological level of atm is the same. Massiveness is great, but you also need to improve the quality. The pace is phenomenal.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 3 September 2020 11: 41 New
      +7
      With regard to nuclear-powered ships, everything rested on Bohai. It was introduced only at the end of 2018 after reconstruction, and then, only the first stage. Well, when completed, it will be the world's largest shipyard (and probably the most equipped with advanced manufacturing solutions) for nuclear submarines.

      Another point is their surface fleet, this is a showcase, PR, advertising and that's all. But the underwater one is actually secret and is only exposed on special occasions. For example, Xi's visit to the modernized boat 093 - the underwater Caliber was lit.


      And the visit of the Chinese Star to the base showed the upgraded boat 093A:
      A rare public appearance of the Chinese modernized multipurpose nuclear submarine Type 093A. The improved version is equipped with launchers for vertical launch of cruise missiles.


      They not only rivet diesel engines with VNEU, but also boast active export contracts. For example, USC has not been able to find buyers for 636 boats for 6 years already.


      Surface ships of all classes are riveted. And the weapons systems there are original from Russian or based on them. So, cursing backward Chinese ships, you curse calibers, calibers1, 9M96, 48N6.
      1. silver_roman
        silver_roman 3 September 2020 12: 16 New
        +1
        Do you want to say that their "calibers" are similar in performance characteristics to ours? the same 48N6 and 9M96? Based on external sources, they are significantly inferior. It's just that I was greatly confused by the performance characteristics of their ICBMs, the number on type 094, type 094 itself. Do you think that a maximum of 3 individual guidance units (and that is not a fact) is an indicator of a modern strategist? It would be interesting to know about their radar, PAR (afar / pfar), etc.
        VNEU is, of course, very good. It is because of the absence of VNEU on our 636 that they are not for sale. By the way, where did they get VNEU?
        Quote: donavi49
        The improved version is equipped with launchers for vertical launch of cruise missiles.

        What's so surprising about that? the main thing is not the mines, but the performance characteristics of missiles, control units, etc.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 3 September 2020 13: 39 New
          +4
          their "calibers" are similar in performance characteristics with ours?


          AA worked in their development on outsourcing, which now includes the developers of Caliber. And their YJ-12 (which is supersonic) was helped to do in KTRV. In this way, China receives the necessary means of destruction, without any restrictions on export supplies.

          48N6 and 9M96


          And here, on the contrary, they went into self-making. Their rockets are significantly different both in terms of murzilka and externally here.

          It's just that I was very confused by the performance characteristics of their ICBMs, the number on type 094, type 094 itself. Do you think


          And this is antiquity. Just at that level of production, for China it was the maximum possible. In those years, the strongest SERIES surface ship built in China was this one. Compare with the heir - higher in the post.

          And the most modern, problematic, semi-experienced, which could not be built in series - this one. Famous Chinese frigates and destroyers with crotal instead of air defense systems and a wild zoo of systems. And which were built, just at the pace of the USC.


          By the way, where did they get VNEU?


          Did it yourself according to the official version (or not yourself - according to the unofficial version). In general, they began to make Stirlings back in the 19th century, and put on boats in the 80s. No hi-tech, but there are nuances and requirements for the production base.

          the main thing is not the mines, but the performance characteristics of missiles, control units, etc.


          Well they have a YJ-18 serial rocket. What are the performance characteristics - the Chinese are talking about 1000-1200 km subsonic. Well, even 500 is quite good and usually enough.

          They have any control center, do not forget who is the first in space launches in recent years and who has a bunch of different interesting satellites appeared in the last 5 years.
  13. Dmitry V.
    Dmitry V. 3 September 2020 11: 54 New
    +3
    The natural "explosive" growth of the PRC Navy is associated with the aging of ships of previous projects and the successes of the last decade in the development of modern weapon systems.

    While at the port of TavKR Kiev, in Tianjin, I noticed that many nodes were removed for study - these are powerful e-mails. motors, gearboxes, drives - i.e. those units that are only in large warships that were not previously supplied from the USSR to the PRC.
    The study of large units, + the wide range of units available for civilian shipbuilding, clearly gave the shipbuilders of the PRC an impetus to develop new large ships.
    The body will remain a body if it is not provided with large-sized electric motors, instrumentation, gearboxes, auxiliary mechanisms, etc.

    Yes - Kiev was outdated - not much can be learned from it.

    The sale of a more modern aircraft carrier TAVKR of project 1143.6 was criminal (!) - these are two decades of development of units and mechanisms of large warships, which the Chinese have passed in 7 years.

    Comparing the "stuffing" of both TAVKR, one can understand the trends and main directions of military engineering thought.
    Almost for nothing, the PRC received samples of technical solutions for thousands of nodes that were previously inaccessible to them - a colossal leak of knowledge and technology, creatively reworked and improved by engineers of the Celestial Empire.
    1. Avior
      Avior 3 September 2020 12: 07 New
      +4
      Is it only Kiev?
      The Chinese also got Minsk.
      and he and the other - for a song.
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 3 September 2020 13: 48 New
      +3
      Well, they take out the trash. The last people were taken out just the other day.


      It remains to saw a few old 053s - but they are kept for training (as in the Navy missile boats with Malachite).


      Well, there will remain 5 relatively new 053s, for which there is an active modernization program + old destroyers with drum launchers and S-300F - a total of 10 pieces.

    3. Nemchinov Vl
      Nemchinov Vl 4 September 2020 22: 55 New
      0
      Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
      The natural "explosive" growth of the PRC Navy is associated ...
      in my opinion, with the consistency of their approach to the shipbuilding programs of the Navy PLAC (!)... If our Navy wanted the same, then now, first of all, they would not order under the motto - "we will build now what we can now" (like again 8 units 20380 !!), regardless of their incapacity, for their intended purpose (PLO / OVR) (!)... Analytical work was carried out on the main species / classes ships for the Navy, and the direction of funds is now primarily on problem areas (!).

      Example: if the construction speed of the 22350 series is inhibited by the creation of gearboxes, then for them (22350) must be financed (to stimulate the "Star gearbox" as much as possible), and as soon as they can increase the assembly speed of gearboxes, lay them in parallel at the second shipyard ("Yantar" or "Star" in Bolshoi Kamen) (!)... if now it is not possible to build 22350M (although I would be more impressed by pr. 11560 with modern weapon systems...), then you need to figure out why (?!) ... first, - already now to test at the stand a new power plant (for it) from M-90FR and M-70FRU, with gearboxes (!). the second already now know exactly who will provide for the production of a GAK like "Zvezda-2" or newer and better, but serially and quickly supply them to shipbuilders (?!)... etc....
  14. 3-e-09
    3-e-09 3 September 2020 12: 40 New
    -7
    Of course, the US Department of Defense needs oh how long to work with methods of calculation and statistics so that there are no more such shameful publications for the United States that the PLA fleet has already become the largest in the world in terms of the number of combat units.
  15. xomaNN
    xomaNN 3 September 2020 14: 47 New
    0
    Can the Chinese, clenching their teeth and forgetting the quotation books of Mao, comprehend the whole experience of shipbuilding. Our and foreign backlog helped them to develop and build their own military NK.
  16. Lesorub
    Lesorub 3 September 2020 15: 13 New
    +1
    PLA Navy becomes the largest fleet in the world

    Pyakut like cakes - China can afford it economically - and I think it's not a chapel.
  17. Charik
    Charik 3 September 2020 20: 30 New
    +1
    The command of the Navy speaks openly about the difficulties with the introduction of long-range missiles. Their use requires special reconnaissance and target designation tools capable of identifying targets beyond the radar horizon of the carrier ship. In this regard, the development of various ship, aviation and satellite systems is required. With Zircon, then you have to suffer about the control center?
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 4 September 2020 08: 34 New
      0
      Yes .. We didn’t want to remember this for a long time.
  18. Connor MacLeod
    Connor MacLeod 4 September 2020 00: 11 New
    +1
    Good news! The Chinese have built an ocean-going fleet clearly not in order to conquer Siberia. The main thing is for the PLA Navy to show itself in all its might - in the Persian Gulf or elsewhere. This will divert most of the resources of the US Navy and free our hands. Hurry ...
  19. prior
    prior 4 September 2020 14: 41 New
    0
    What is communist ideology doing to the country!
    This is me about China ...
  20. Polar Bear
    Polar Bear 4 September 2020 16: 32 New
    0
    So, in just 30 years we switched places with China. They are ahead in all respects, and the Russian Federation is trailing far behind. And no one prevented the Russian Federation from choosing the same development path for feeding the CPSU is much cheaper than greedy oligarchs who will not get drunk.
  21. Imperial Technocrat
    Imperial Technocrat 4 September 2020 19: 58 New
    0
    But so far the American and Russian are stronger

    Not to mention other types of troops