Motivated cruelty. The sorrowful adventures of the "Royal Tiger" in Kubinka


Pz. Kpfw. Tiger Ausf. B. at number 102 before the execution in Kubinka. Source: warspot.ru


Everything is broken


For the first time, the "Royal Tigers" fell into the hands of Soviet soldiers of the 1st Ukrainian Front in mid-August 1944 in the village of Oglendov beyond the Vistula, north of the town of Stashev. This was a consequence of a failed battle for the Germans with heavy Soviet IS-2s, when the 501st heavy tank the battalion lost 12 vehicles. At the same time, two of them, numbered 502 and 102, turned out to be almost serviceable and, after cosmetic repairs of the tracks, could move independently. These were command vehicles with an additional sixth crew member and reduced ammunition. The Germans not only left combat-ready vehicles on the battlefield, but also provided the Soviet testers with detailed operating instructions. As a result, the 502nd and 102nd Pz. Kpfw. Tiger Ausf. It was decided to send B to Kubinka for detailed study. The first car is still alive, it can be seen in the exposition of the Patriot park, but the second took on the role of a victim of the Soviet artillery. But before these 68-ton monsters had to be delivered to the suburbs. Due to constant breakdowns "Tigers" appeared in Kubinka only on 26 September.


The second of the "Royal Tigers" that arrived in Kubinka with tower number 502. It is he who will take a place in the museum exposition. Source: warspot.ru

The impression was that the German tanks did not want to go to Kubinka at all. Before they got to the railway station, the Soviet tankmen drove them 110 kilometers across the Vistula. The following happened on Tiger B with tower number 102 during this run:
- the bearing of the left idler wheel hub has collapsed;
- the right side of the V-shaped engine overheated due to the installed late ignition;
- constant overheating of the gearbox due to poor cooling and 30-degree heat;
- destruction of a significant number of track fingers, especially in the frequent turns of the tank;
- rapid release of the tension of the tracks: it was necessary to stop for tension after 10-15 kilometers.

After unloading in Kubinka from the train platform, the right side gear was jammed at the tank. An autopsy showed that it completely collapsed for some inexplicable reason. Here the 502nd "Tiger B" was very useful, from which the live airborne transmission was removed.






Survivor of the 502nd Royal Tiger in Patriot Park. Photo by the author.

Upon the arrival of the couple in Kubinka, the terms of reference for the Scientific and Testing Armored Range of the GBTU of the Red Army for the study of the German cat No. 102 were issued by the deputy chief of the GBTU, Lieutenant General Ivan Adrianovich Lebedev. It is noteworthy that from the very beginning, the German tank was not compared with its predecessor, the Pz. Kpfw. Tiger Ausf. E, and was perceived by Soviet engineers as the successor to the PzKpfw V Panther. This was largely a consequence of similar design solutions and contours of the hull with the turret. In the conclusions, the engineers write as follows:

"Tanks" Tiger-B "represent the modernization of the main German tank" Panther "in terms of strengthening the armor and increasing the caliber of installed weapons."

Initially, the car, which passed only 444 kilometers before testing, had a 35-kilometer run on a dry country road. The goal was to determine the average speed of movement. Even this small gap, the tank could not pass without misadventures: it constantly knocked oil out of the right fan drive, which required regular stops for inspection and refueling. As a result, the average technical speed (including "pit stops") was only 11,2 km / h. Due to the gigantic fuel consumption, the tank's mileage on country roads did not exceed 90 kilometers. Is it a lot or a little? For example, the domestic IS-2 traveled 135 kilometers at one filling station, being content with 520 liters of diesel fuel. A heavy German for 90 km needed 860 liters, that is, about 970 liters per 100 kilometers! At the same time, the instruction stated that "Tiger B" should spend no more than 700 l / 100 km of track on country roads. Kubinka engineers wrote off such a monstrous gluttony for engine wear, which, we recall, covered 444 km. The Germans apparently did not have a working hour meter, so it was not possible to identify the real "mileage" of the "Maybach". Perhaps one of the reasons for such an overconsumption of fuel was the use of domestic KB-70 gasoline.


The nature of the destruction of the teeth of the rims of the drive wheel. Photo from test report

Before serious breakdowns, we managed to test the agility of the tank. For the site, we chose virgin soil with a grassy cover and a solid loamy base. The planetary slewing mechanism provided "Tiger B" with good agility, while the smallest radius of 2,2 meters was achieved in the neutral position of the gearbox. When we reached 6th gear (the turning radius had already reached 33,2 meters), the tracks failed, and it was no longer possible to turn the tank in 7th and 8th gears. The emergency happened, as during the evacuation from across the Vistula, with two tracks and at once with twelve fingers. This is what the report says:

"Due to the fragility of the material, the fingers break into several parts in the planes of the track eye joint."

When I ran 530 kilometers on the speedometer, it cut off all the bolts of the outer gear rim of the left drive wheel. After 17 kilometers, the left drive wheel broke down again and, in addition, the torsion bar of the front left road roller collapsed. She cut off all the fastening bolts of the ring gear and tore the ring itself in two. In total, the 102nd "Tiger B" covered 557 kilometers (113 of them in Kubinka) until the moment of complete failure of the right-hand side gear. Donor car # 502 no longer had side gears, so the Tiger-B stopped forever. The weak point was the roller bearing of the transmission drive shaft.

German trump cards


From a technical point of view, the biggest complaints from Soviet engineers in the Tiger B were caused by flimsy final drives, drive wheels and track fingers: it was these nodes that did not allow full sea trials of a heavy German tank. It can be assumed that even if these parts were in good order, something would still fail in an overloaded machine. The King's Tiger was too heavy.

Even during this short period of operation, Soviet engineers managed to surprise the transmission of a German tank. Despite the high cost and complexity of the gearbox in comparison with domestic counterparts, it was distinguished by high reliability and ease of use. Attention was drawn to the careful processing of the gearbox gear teeth and good lubrication, which in part ensured the durability of the unit. The impacts on the teeth were seriously mitigated by the use of constant-mesh gears, as well as the synchronization of the angular speeds of the switchable elements while simultaneously regulating the fuel supply to the engine.

Interestingly, the Soviet engineers actually accused the Germans of plagiarizing the well-known turning mechanism of the French Somua tank, in which the power when turning is split into two streams. One of the most important advantages of the German swing mechanism is the locking of the articulated gears of planetary gearboxes. What did this give "Tiger B"? First of all, the elimination of the "differential effect" in the rectilinear movement of the tracked vehicle, when the tank was pulled to the side with uneven resistance on the tracks. By the way, the previous Pz. Kpfw. Tiger Ausf. E did not have such knots to neutralize the "differential effect". The swing mechanism was also distinguished by ease of control due to the use of hydraulic servo drives, reduced load on the clutches and their less wear, as well as the absence of units requiring adjustment. However, all these trump cards crossed out the complexity, high cost and great weight.

Motivated cruelty. The sorrowful adventures of the "Royal Tiger" in Kubinka




Several episodes from the short career of "Tiger B". Source: waralbum.ru

In Kubinka, the convenience and ease of mounting / dismounting of the tank engine was separately noted. This was realized by means of a cardan connection between the motor and transmission, which excluded accurate alignment during installation. Due to the large MTO, the tank provided good access to most of the pipeline connections and control rods.

Despite all of the above, from the extensive list of technical trump cards of the Tiger B tank, engineers have identified only six that deserve attention in the development of domestic tanks. The air purification system for powering the engine (filters directly above the carburetors), automatic fire extinguishing in the engine compartment, semi-automatic gearbox control drives, battery electric heating and internal depreciation of the road wheels looked interesting. Thermosiphon heating of the engine in winter conditions also seemed important.

The tests of "Tiger B" did not end there. Ahead were firing from the main caliber and the destruction of the Teutonic armor by Soviet artillery.

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  1. Thrifty 30 July 2020 05: 26 New
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    "At the most interesting point ".... crying fool I look forward to continuing! negative To the author +!
    1. novel66 30 July 2020 12: 40 New
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      tomorrow would be ... otherwise I'll leave and won't read it ... but I want to!
    2. Alien From 31 July 2020 12: 04 New
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      I will join you, respect to the author! Intrigued ....)
  2. svp67 30 July 2020 05: 32 New
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    "Royal Tiger" is what finished off the German tank troops and the production of tanks completely, and it is good that such an eclipse descended on the "gloomy German genius"
    1. Mavrikiy 30 July 2020 06: 09 New
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      Due to the large MTO, the tank provided good access to most of the pipeline connections and control rods.
      It is possible to organize MTO, where they walk in growth ....... only "KT" was no longer a tank, but a fortress on wheels. repeat He appeared on time. It was because of the "menagerie" that we had colossal losses in the T-34. The Germans used them correctly, from ambushes. The losses of animals occurred during breakouts from the encirclement.
      1. alma 30 July 2020 06: 39 New
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        Ambushes on both sides were effective, starting with Katukov.
        1. Mavrikiy 30 July 2020 06: 46 New
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          Quote: alma
          Ambushes on both sides were effective, starting with Katukov.

          Ambushes are always effective! Only the effectiveness is different.
          1. Pravodel 30 July 2020 07: 09 New
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            Speaking of ambushes. Zinovy ​​Kolobanov in 41, near Leningrad, while in an ambush, knocked out 42 German tanks. True, he never received a Hero's star, although he has every right to do so.
            We could already have awarded the title of Hero of Russia posthumously.
          2. Alexey RA 30 July 2020 09: 25 New
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            Quote: Mavrikiy
            Ambushes are always effective! Only the effectiveness is different.

            Moreover, this performance may be on the side of those who were ambushed: "The BT tank was ambushed, where it was burned by an anti-tank gun dragged by the enemy."
            1. hohol95 30 July 2020 16: 56 New
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              War! And a lone tank with no infantry cover ...
              Cases were described when our tankers noticed the Germans in ambushes. We went around them on the flank or forced them to start moving by maneuver.
              And they won!
              Whoever first noticed is 50% in the win!
              1. Alexey RA 30 July 2020 17: 34 New
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                Quote: hohol95
                War! And a lone tank with no infantry cover ...

                Not just a war. And her first months. When they did not yet understand that these were not teachings, only denote actions here it will not be possible, and the enemy is not an intermediary, and will not turn a blind eye to mistakes.
        2. figwam 30 July 2020 10: 17 New
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          Junior Lieutenant Pegov knocked out two Panthers in an ambush on a light T-70 tank.
          1. novel66 30 July 2020 12: 33 New
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            of 45 ki panther ?? eagle!!!
            1. Sanichsan 30 July 2020 13: 50 New
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              Quote: novel xnumx
              of 45 ki panther ??

              and, pay attention to the photo, the second panther died without even realizing what happened. first turned the tower, but that's all they managed to do request as far as I remember, the panther crews did not leave the tanks.
            2. BAI
              BAI 31 July 2020 16: 43 New
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              And they brought down the Tiger.
      2. Mountain shooter 30 July 2020 07: 00 New
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        Quote: Mavrikiy
        He appeared on time. It was because of the "menagerie" that we had colossal losses in the T-34. The Germans used them correctly, from ambushes. The losses of animals occurred during breakouts from the encirclement.

        These animals ... Judging by the weakness of the chassis, they could not drive anywhere or even counterattack especially. Of course, the mighty cannon and thick armor gave them an advantage over the 34th, if they climbed "bare-chested on a machine gun" ... Our tankers learned not to do this, by 44th ... bypass the clumsy enemy, intercept communications, deprive him of fuel and ammunition ... and let it stand ... the crew will run away.
        1. Mavrikiy 30 July 2020 07: 02 New
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          it's hard to disagree. hi
          1. Mountain shooter 30 July 2020 07: 08 New
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            Quote: Mavrikiy
            it's hard to disagree.

            I heard that the "King Tiger" had an unreliable chassis, but so MUCH! It turns out that this monster had to be carefully delivered to the place, cover the flanks, cover with infantry and artillery. Use as a sedentary but powerful firing point. At 44, it was no longer possible to fight ...
            1. Mavrikiy 30 July 2020 07: 15 New
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              Quote: Mountain Shooter
              but that SO!

              Everything was fine. Technology, development. In fact, the lack of a ligature killed the beasts by the end of the war.
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              1. Andrey VOV 30 July 2020 12: 09 New
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                Why are you drawing here ... you are our idiot .. no one says that the technique was bad, but about certain shortcomings, did not learn to read at all?
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                  1. Romka47 31 July 2020 15: 58 New
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                    I will answer once for everyone, do not even write anymore, I will not answer, tk. it is not interesting to communicate with such illiterate and ill-mannered.
                    We won in 4 years, so they sculpted cons for you both ours and yours... You are not interesting here.
                  2. Andrey VOV 31 July 2020 16: 48 New
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                    To the insane, with excrement in his head, the article never mentions that ALL the technique was bad, so get out of here the pan-headed evil
            3. Alf
              Alf 30 July 2020 19: 32 New
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              Quote: Mountain Shooter
              I heard that the "King Tiger" had an unreliable chassis, but so MUCH!

              I heard somewhere that the German KT tankers called "a tank for one battle."
              1. AllBiBek 31 July 2020 23: 31 New
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                Well, don't tell me, the success of the Ardennes operation was ensured not least by these cats.
                True, there the enemy was not so much on the Shermans as on the Americans, but with the tank aces they were all sad.
                1. Alf
                  Alf 1 August 2020 17: 03 New
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                  Quote: AllBiBek
                  Well, don't tell me, the success of the Ardennes operation was ensured not least by these cats.

                  The success of the Ardennes was ensured by a cloudy sky, as soon as the sky cleared, the Allied aircraft reminded of themselves.
          2. hohol95 30 July 2020 08: 16 New
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            13 GTI.
            On February 15, 1944, he allocated 5 IS-85s to support a frontal attack on the village of Lisyanka. All 5 IS-85s were damaged. 2 burned out. Each tank received from 3 to 7 hits from a distance of 600-800 meters!
            On February 16, the village was surrounded and 16 Panthers, 2 Pz.IV and 2 StuG-ha were found there.
            1. Alexey RA 30 July 2020 09: 27 New
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              A classic example of what normal heroes always go around: where even the latest heavy tanks could not cope head-on, light and medium tanks won, bypassing the fortification knot.
              1. svp67 30 July 2020 10: 29 New
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                Quote: Alexey RA
                bypassed the fortification knot.

                Not just bypassed, but cutting supply routes
                1. hohol95 30 July 2020 16: 52 New
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                  So their supply routes were cut off before ...
                  Different books have different dates.
                  In one fight was 15 in another on February 19!
                  And the Germans dropped the fuel for the equipment from the planes (which means there was no longer a supply).
                  And at night, partially undermining the equipment, the Germans left!
                  There is no fuel. The shells were apparently already in short supply.
                  The day lasted and left!
                  The total number is indicated - 20 or 21 vehicles (either 2 or 3 Pz.IV was)!
                  But without any indication of knocking them out in the daytime battle!
                  And I think there might still be anti-tank weapons. But they are not listed as trophies!
            2. svp67 30 July 2020 10: 28 New
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              Quote: hohol95
              On February 16, the village was surrounded and 16 Panthers, 2 Pz.IV and 2 StuG-ha were found there.

              Why don't you continue that the Germans lost most of this equipment at the same time
              1. hohol95 30 July 2020 17: 09 New
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                Why don't you continue that the Germans lost most of this equipment at the same time

                No one disputes this fact!
                Interesting another!
                Where did the tanks from the Boecke tank regiment that were there at the beginning of the life of this unit on January 25, 1944 - 123 "panthers" and 69 "tigers"?
                After all, then they write only about 34 "tigers" and 47 "panthers"! Those who were in the regiment at the beginning of the offensive with the aim of unblocking the encircled German grouping near the town of Korsun-Shevchenkovsky, that is, on February 4.
                Distributed to other parts?
                1. svp67 30 July 2020 17: 25 New
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                  Quote: hohol95
                  Where did the tanks from the Böcke tank regiment go?


                  And no where, almost all where they were there and stayed ...
                  Read it, VERY interesting ...
                  Details on warhead.su:
                  https://warhead.su/2018/12/27/ostanovit-beke-tridtsatchetvyorki-protiv-tigrov-i-panter
                  Quote: hohol95
                  Distributed to other parts?

                  A new offensive by the Red Army led to the loss of Proskurov, where Soviet soldiers were met by a mass of abandoned and defective "panthers" of the Beke group.
                  It was difficult to fight against the "tigers" and "panthers" on the T-34-76, the appearance of ISs only gradually improved the situation. But by rounds, sweeping and tactically competent actions, it was on the T-34-76 in the winter of 1943-1944 that they liberated almost the entire Right-Bank Ukraine.
                  1. hohol95 30 July 2020 21: 59 New
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                    А
                    no where, almost everyone where they were there and stayed ...
                    Read it, VERY interesting ...

                    But the entire "progressive liberal world" knows that the losses of Boecke's regiment were only one "tiger" and four "panthers".
                    When the "Soviets" are destroyed, 267 tanks. Indiscriminately by type.
                    Whom does the "world" believe? Certainly not "Soviet propaganda" ...
                    1. svp67 1 August 2020 05: 31 New
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                      Quote: hohol95
                      Whom does the "world" believe? Certainly not "Soviet propaganda" ...

                      Yes ...
                      For fun, see this article from "Russian propaganda":
                      https://zen.yandex.ru/media/proarm/nemeckie-poteri-v-tankah-na-primere-opersvodok-shtaba-tankovoi-divizii-ss-leibshtandart-ag-za-dekabr-1943-goda-5f1d67952405822ad5d13390?&utm_campaign=dbr
            3. matross 30 July 2020 12: 51 New
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              Quote: hohol95
              13 GTI.
              15 February 1944 allocated 5 IS-85

              Not the GTTP, but the GTTP - the guards heavy tank regiment.
              The IS-85, by the way, is a small-scale vehicle, is there any point in discussing its combat use?
            4. Serg koma 30 July 2020 13: 11 New
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              Quote: hohol95
              Each tank received from 3 to 7 hits from a distance of 600-800 meters


              Tank IS-85, knocked out at Lysyanka. The numbers show the hits of German shells. 1944 g.
              Quote: hohol95
              to the village of Lisyanka


              More correctly, in Russian, Lysyanka (Ukrainian. Lisyanka)
              Quote: hohol95
              13 GTI.
              13th Guards. heavy tank breakthrough regiment (13th Guards TCCI)
          3. svp67 30 July 2020 10: 26 New
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            it's hard to disagree.

            At least some sensible thought has finally visited you ...
        2. CTABEP 30 July 2020 09: 07 New
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          Only the first Tiger from an ambush could work in the same way, but in a maneuver it could still do better than this miracle. And, most importantly, it was simpler and cheaper.
          1. novel66 30 July 2020 12: 48 New
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            yes, they had enough 4 ki of the latest modifications for their eyes, but such an impression on them was made by KV
            In the middle of the hangar there was a smoked monster without caterpillars, with armor resembling a lunar landscape.

            - What is it? - hoarsely Porsche.
            - It? Guderian's voice was sweeter than saccharin. - Oh-oh-oh, this is a very interesting thing. This is a Russian heavy tank. Half of the 6th division fired at him, and he stopped only when he ran out of fuel. Leeb went into hysterics ..
            1. Alf
              Alf 30 July 2020 19: 37 New
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              Quote: novel xnumx
              yes, they had enough 4 ki of the latest modifications for their eyes, but such an impression on them was made by KV
              In the middle of the hangar there was a smoked monster without caterpillars, with armor resembling a lunar landscape.

              - What is it? - hoarsely Porsche.
              - It? Guderian's voice was sweeter than saccharin. - Oh-oh-oh, this is a very interesting thing. This is a Russian heavy tank. Half of the 6th division fired at him, and he stopped only when he ran out of fuel. Leeb went into hysterics ..

              A gorgeous piece, there is also such a thing about Gran-Lee.
          2. matross 30 July 2020 13: 00 New
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            Quote: CTABEP
            the first Tiger from the ambush could work in the same way

            In the same way, he could not - the gun is shorter, armor penetration and flatness are worse. And armor protection is not the last thing for a heavy tank. hi
        3. Sanichsan 30 July 2020 13: 58 New
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          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          Our tankers learned not to do this, by the 44th ... bypass the clumsy enemy, intercept communications, deprive him of fuel and ammunition ...

          and they coped head-on. read about the battle near the city of Lisow. there the T-34-85 fought off attacks of 424 heavy tank battalion and a group of panthers for several days. It is interesting that, as a result, the Soviet tankers reported that they were fighting against the panthers, while the Germans reported to the headquarters that they had received in the head from the Soviet IS-2.
          1. Alf
            Alf 30 July 2020 19: 39 New
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            Quote: SanichSan
            Quote: Mountain Shooter
            Our tankers learned not to do this, by the 44th ... bypass the clumsy enemy, intercept communications, deprive him of fuel and ammunition ...

            and they coped head-on. read about the battle near the city of Lisow. there the T-34-85 fought off attacks of 424 heavy tank battalion and a group of panthers for several days. It is interesting that, as a result, the Soviet tankers reported that they were fighting against the panthers, while the Germans reported to the headquarters that they had received in the head from the Soviet IS-2.

            In the forehead, the T-34-85 and IS-2 do not differ much, only in the presence of a muzzle brake, and it is not very visible from afar.
            1. Sanichsan 30 July 2020 19: 50 New
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              Quote: Alf
              In the forehead, the T-34-85 and IS-2 do not differ much, only in the presence of a muzzle brake, and it is not very visible from afar.

              the Germans rather based their opinions on the scale of the losses. it is necessary to somehow explain that after 4 days of battles from 52 heavy tanks of which 23 are the most modern Tiger B, zero remained. if you report that they were crumbled by the medium tanks of the Soviets, then Hitler will be upset, and if Hitler is upset, then it is not known how it could end ... in 1944 Hitler was already very nervous.
              but so yes. from afar you can confuse .. if you try yes
              1. Alf
                Alf 30 July 2020 20: 16 New
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                Quote: SanichSan
                Quote: Alf
                In the forehead, the T-34-85 and IS-2 do not differ much, only in the presence of a muzzle brake, and it is not very visible from afar.

                the Germans rather based their opinions on the scale of the losses. it is necessary to somehow explain that after 4 days of battles from 52 heavy tanks of which 23 are the most modern Tiger B, zero remained. if you report that they were crumbled by the medium tanks of the Soviets, then Hitler will be upset, and if Hitler is upset, then it is not known how it could end ... in 1944 Hitler was already very nervous.
                but so yes. from afar you can confuse .. if you try yes

                It is truth too.
            2. swnvaleria 30 July 2020 23: 41 New
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              grandfather said that they put a bucket on the barrel of t 34, and the Germans, seeing from afar, tried not to enter into battle
          2. Serg koma 30 July 2020 22: 05 New
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            Quote: SanichSan
            the Germans reported to the headquarters that they had received in the head from the Soviet IS-2.

            "" Tigers "in the snow" Alfred Rubbel (.... retreated to the Dnieper, broke out of the Cherkassk "cauldron", but realized the hopelessness of the war only in Hungary ...)
            13 February 1944 city At dawn we continued our attack, turning from the northeast to the east, along the Medvin - Lisyanka road. Of seven enemy tanks T-34 / 85 and the Shermans emerging from Medvin's direction, six were hit.

            Well, I DON'T BELIEVE the Fritzian veteran, they could not have turned out 13.02.44/34/85 T/XNUMX I didn’t see it, I don’t know, but so vividly describes the fantasized feats.
            already in February 1944 to give the customer tanksequipped with a more powerful 85 mm gun, the quality of which had no complaints.
            One of the first units to receive T-34-85 tanks was the 38th separate tank regiment, staffed from the Dimitri Donskoy tank column.

            On the night of 23 to 24 March 1944 38th separate tank regiment, having completed a twelve-day march to the Uman area, immediately entered the battle.

            And yet, from the same place
            February 13, 1944 At dawn we continued our attack, turning from the northeast to the east, along the Medvin - Lisyanka road.

            No. 1-Lysyanka; No. 2-Medvin. I don’t understand where the “navigator” paved the way -from northeast to east, along the Medvin - Lisyanka road wassat
            "normal" heroes "always go around" (c) - through Vladivostok?
      3. svp67 30 July 2020 10: 24 New
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        Quote: Mavrikiy
        It was because of the "menagerie" that we had colossal losses in the T-34.

        Do NOT TELL the fairy tales following the "Hitler nedobitki". It is in their memoirs they describe how they "with one left", and even alone, destroyed such a number of our tanks, which we did not have at that moment in that area. They had a lot of photos and cameras, and for personal use, but none of them showed the field of tank battles with hundreds of our tanks destroyed ... in the second half of the war.
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        The Germans used them correctly, from ambushes. The losses of animals occurred during breakouts from the encirclement.
        Look at the combat paths of their heavy tank battalions ("tiger"), there you can clearly see where and how they lost their combat vehicles.
        And yet, battles on Lake Balaton, from what environment did they escape there?
        1. Garant_Solntselikij 30 July 2020 10: 56 New
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          Tales

          And the loss of the Red Army in 83 units of armored vehicles is also a fairy tale?
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            Quote: Garant_Solntselikij
            And the loss of the Red Army in 83 units of armored vehicles is also a fairy tale?

            No, this is official data.
            You just need to sort them out over the years:
            1941 - 20500 pcs
            1942 - 15000 pcs
            1943 - 22400 pcs
            1944 - 16900 pcs
            1945 - 8700 pieces, this is May 09, 1945
            That is, from the moment KT appeared on the fronts, and this is 1944, our losses did not grow, but remained, on average, the same.
            And now the main thing
            After the war, the GABTU conducted a study on the causes of the defeat of our tanks.
            The share of anti-tank artillery had about 60%,
            lost in battles with tanks 20%,
            howitzer artillery destroyed 5%,
            mine exploded 5%,
            the share of aviation and anti-tank infantry weapons accounted for 10%.
            I must say right away that our GABTU began to collect this information systematically since 1943, that is, from the moment when the battlefields began to remain behind us, and not only collecting information from our rembases
            So from what means of fire do we have the greatest loss of tanks, from the "tank menagerie" or from the enemy's anti-tank artillery?
            1. Bessarab 30 July 2020 19: 24 New
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              I forgot to add that about 5000 Soviet tanks drowned in swamps and rivers
              1. svp67 30 July 2020 19: 43 New
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                Quote: Bessarab
                I forgot to add that about 5000 Soviet tanks drowned in swamps and rivers

                ????? What is this for you? Do you think that the drowned cars were not included in the losses? So, no ... Loss is loss.
      4. Bessarab 30 July 2020 19: 32 New
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        In the described battle, the first two CTs were destroyed by Lieutenant Oskin's thirty-four from an ambush. The purpose of the ambush is to deploy the CT in the direction of the ambush, substituting the sides for the main forces, which was done .. Oskin and his crew survived. Oskin received the title of GSS
    2. CTABEP 30 July 2020 09: 06 New
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      And don't tell. Tigers and T4 would rivet - Victory would cost us more. And so everything is in the black, both our ancestors and us (there is an opportunity to admire such a beast :)).
      1. Sanichsan 30 July 2020 14: 10 New
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        Quote: CTABEP
        Tigers and T4 would rivet - Victory would cost us more.

        Tiger H was the same nail in the panzerwaffe's coffin as Tiger V. request more than 40% of losses - destruction by own crews. the price is also exorbitant.
    3. Ingvar 72 31 July 2020 09: 41 New
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      and it is good that such an eclipse descended on the "gloomy German genius"

      Plus a shortage of components for steel production.
  3. Mavrikiy 30 July 2020 06: 01 New
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    From a technical point of view, the biggest complaints from Soviet engineers in the "Tiger B" were caused by flimsy final drives, drive wheels and track fingers: it was these nodes that did not allow full sea trials of a heavy German tank.
    Yes, the German was lucky, he did not get to the USSR in 1941, and especially in 1944 in the swamps of Belarus. There his chassis would fall every 15 minutes. For monsters only fit the soil of Europe. request
  4. Free wind 30 July 2020 06: 29 New
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    This is a piece of iron!
    1. Mavrikiy 30 July 2020 06: 48 New
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      Quote: Free Wind
      This is a piece of iron!

      That's right, a piece of iron. The ligature was chronically lacking. request
    2. Lexus 30 July 2020 17: 05 New
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      This is a piece of iron!

      A wonderful porch would be made.lol
  5. carstorm 11 30 July 2020 07: 13 New
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    That's because of this, I have not yet dumped VO) Respect to the author.
    1. The leader of the Redskins 30 July 2020 07: 55 New
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      I agree. Such materials are less and less common. It's a pity. Five years ago, everything was somewhat different.
      1. carstorm 11 30 July 2020 08: 04 New
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        I know) so I often search here for something that I have not read over the years. and such materials are now like a breath of air. nice that there is someone else.
  6. Sahalinets 30 July 2020 07: 30 New
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    Well, the claim about the complexity of the units is certainly unfounded. If the Tiger-2 were riveted in thousands of pieces, one could blame for the cleverness. But here we are talking about a super tank, which was produced in the amount of 487 pieces ...
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      5-9 31 July 2020 16: 24 New
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      Do you see a causal relationship between quantity and complexity?
  7. Avior 30 July 2020 08: 47 New
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    Interesting article
    I didn't understand this place
    knocked oil out of the right fan drive

    Engine cooling fan?
    1. Undecim 30 July 2020 13: 46 New
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      Engine cooling fan?
  8. Undecim 30 July 2020 10: 33 New
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    These were command vehicles with an additional sixth crew member and reduced ammunition.
    The information is wrong. The commanding version (approximately 5 percent of all produced), the Panzerbefehlswagen Tiger Ausf.B, had a crew of five.
    There were two versions of the Panzerbefehlswagen Tiger Ausf.B: the first - Sd.Kfz.267, intended for long-distance communication with the battalion headquarters, and Sd.Kfz.268 - for aviation spotters.
    To accommodate additional radio equipment and the GG4400 electric generator, the ammunition load was reduced by 17 shells and 10 machine-gun belts.
    Panzerbefehlswagen Tiger Ausf.B Sd.Kfz.267 was equipped with FuG 5 and FuG 8, Panzerbefehlswagen Tiger Ausf.B Sd.Kfz.268 - FuG 5 and FuG 7.
    Externally, the tanks differed only in the presence of the Sternantenne D rod antenna.
  9. Operator 30 July 2020 12: 07 New
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    Hötzers are enough to shoot from ambushes.

    The "Royal Tiger" (God forgive me) of February 10, which crumbles to pieces every 1944 km, is a vivid example of the ... lism of Teutonic tank builders and tankers laughing
    1. novel66 30 July 2020 12: 54 New
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      Hötzers are enough to shoot from ambushes.
      or akht-aht
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        Alf 30 July 2020 19: 41 New
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        Quote: novel xnumx
        Hötzers are enough to shoot from ambushes.
        or akht-aht

        8-8 can not be quickly taken from the spot, after all, almost 4 tons of weight.
  10. Alexey RA 30 July 2020 13: 35 New
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    Due to the gigantic fuel consumption, the tank's mileage on country roads did not exceed 90 kilometers. Is it a lot or a little? For example, the domestic IS-2 traveled 135 kilometers at one filling station, being content with 520 liters of diesel fuel. A heavy German for 90 km required 860 liters, that is, about 970 liters per 100 kilometers! At the same time, the instructions stated that the "Tiger B" should spend no more than 700 l / 100 km on country roads.

    I immediately remembered:
    I, after I saw how when starting the Panther engine out of a temporary tank (a 20 liter plastic canister), gasoline decreases in front of my eyes, this is idling - I understand why German tanks cannot be called the best in that war ... Guys , 700 liters of 87th gasoline for the Panther and 1000 with a little for the royal Tiger per hundred kilometers - this is not treated by anything.
    © fvl_01
  11. Lexus 30 July 2020 16: 07 New
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    Ay-i-i-yay! Killed yougra
    Killed yougra. Killed
    Ay-i-i-yay! For no reason, # uki, soaked. (FROM)

    I read it in one breath. Thank!goodRather, a continuation!
  12. mark1 30 July 2020 18: 05 New
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    From the heart "like"
  13. Tuzik 30 July 2020 22: 29 New
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    Interestingly, I'm waiting for the continuation. Brutal beast.
    And what is in the second photo on the right on the tower? DZ? ))
    1. Alexey RA 31 July 2020 08: 57 New
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      Quote: Tuzik
      And what is in the second photo on the right on the tower? DZ? ))

      Spare tracks that act as additional armor. "Track shielding" was used by EMNIP, all the participants in that war.
  14. Split 30 July 2020 23: 10 New
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    Nice tank! "powerful killer" (c) Strongly influenced the E series, which, in my mind, was never implemented.
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      5-9 31 July 2020 16: 27 New
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      Good God! Useless and kind of good ...
      Relatives about Krishna ...
  15. times 31 July 2020 12: 50 New
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    With this Tiger, the Germans were too clever of course. 68 tons! No wonder it quickly went out of order.
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    5-9 31 July 2020 16: 29 New
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    Most of them were on the Western Front, in the East the soil did not fit stupidly ... And so .... More than half of the lost Tigers (both) were abandoned by the Germans .. In the first meeting, a couple of CTs were burned by the vulgar 34ka with 76mm ...
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      Quote: 5-9
      76mm ..

      From 85 mm.
  17. Oleg_p 31 July 2020 19: 06 New
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    I am always pinned by comrades "historians" - they read documents and draw very profound conclusions. The author, to his credit, is very careful with his conclusions.
    About the weakness of the caterpillar:
    During "Bagration" tanks T-34 passed "on the map" 600 km and more. What was the real mileage - well, obviously maybe 600 km. BUT! T-34, "medium" tank - the workhorse of raids deep into the defense for hundreds of kilometers. And "Bagration" would not have existed if it had not been possible to get hold of a trophy "calibration" for the fingers of the T-34 tracks. During the operation, they also changed their fingers. The caterpillar "tolerates" exactly one change of fingers, then the eyes break. It's even a shame to talk about such "little things" as the crowns of the driving wheels - consumables, like road wheels.
    KT, on the other hand, is a "heavy" tank. He has other tasks. Therefore, the destruction of the fingers of the caterpillars on a run of more than 500 km ... Well, let's say, in modern terms - a double guarantee resource. Well, throughout the walk, about the same song.
    What about an overweight machine: 56t is not overweight, and 68 is not at all? Is the 21% weight difference that critical? I would understand if the difference was 1,5-2 times, but less than 33%?!?!?! Who are you "hanging on to the ears"?
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    The Tigers and even the Royal Tigers did not have a decisive influence on the course of the war. But the T-34 and T-34-85 did. And no matter what they say, it is a fact.