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Warsaw Pact's weakest army

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The Warsaw Pact organization united the military-political and ideological allies of the USSR in Eastern Europe. But, despite the entry into the bloc of a number of countries led by the Soviet Union, he also had weaknesses.


What place did the Bulgarian people's army occupy in the police department


It’s worth mentioning right away that talking about the weakness or strength of various armies of the Warsaw Pact can be very arbitrary, especially if we are not talking about obvious bloc leaders like the armies of Poland or the GDR, but about “secondary” armies. As you know, the most popular in terms of training and weapons, and in terms of morale among all the ATS armies after the Soviet was the National People's Army of the GDR. The Polish People’s Army was in second place in size after the Soviet Army, but in terms of combat effectiveness it was still inferior to the NNA of the GDR.

This was followed by the Czechoslovak People's Army and the Hungarian People's Army, also well armed and trained. But the number of PRA was almost two times higher than VNA. The armies of the southern countries of the bloc were not particularly combat-ready, while Bulgaria was inferior to Romania in terms of the number and equipment of its armed forces. At the same time, the Bulgarians had an advantage over the Hungarians in that they had access to the sea and their naval fleet.

The Warsaw Pact did not pay much attention to the Bulgarian army. This was due to the remoteness of Bulgaria from the alleged main theater of operations in Germany. In the event of a conflict with NATO, Bulgarian forces should have fought on the territory of Greece and the European part of Turkey. Accordingly, the Greek and Turkish armed forces were potential opponents of the SUA (moreover, the latter did not have the bulk of them).

As a matter of fact, the weakness of the Bulgarian armed forces was traditional in the XNUMXth century: first, Bulgaria was the weakest ally in the four Germany - Austria-Hungary - Ottoman Empire - Bulgaria in the First World War, then - the weakest satellite of the Third Reich. However, in Bulgaria itself there was a completely different opinion about its military capabilities: for example, some articles of Bulgarian historians emphasize that, allegedly in the US CIA reports, the Bulgarian People’s Army was listed as the most efficient in the Warsaw Pact after the Soviet Army. No one in the public domain has ever seen these summaries ...

What was the Bulgarian National Army of the 1950-1980s.


The armed forces of the People’s Republic of Bulgaria in the 1950s and 1980s included ground forces, the air force, the navy, as well as construction troops, rear services, civil defense, and military educational institutions. The Bulgarian army was most reminiscent of the Soviet in structure, with uniforms, insignia, military ranks were almost completely copied from the Soviet, when comparing the armies of Bulgaria and, for example, the GDR, Czechoslovakia or Poland.


The BNA ground forces included 8 mechanized divisions and 5 tank brigades with approximately 1900 tanks. However, with such an impressive number of tanks, most of them by the standards of the 1970s - 1980s. was already obsolete. But Bulgaria had a fairly efficient air defense, which included 26 S-200 divisions, 10 S-300 mobile units, 20 SA-75 Volkhov and Sa-75 Dvina, 20 2K12 KUB complexes, 1 2K11 anti-aircraft missile brigade. Circle ", 24 mobile anti-aircraft missile systems" Osa ".

The Bulgarian Air Force was armed with about 300 aircraft and helicopters, mainly MiG-21, MiG-23, Mi-24 helicopters. The Bulgarian Navy included 2 destroyers, 3 patrol ships, 1 frigate, 1 missile corvette, 6 missile boats, 6 torpedo boats, etc. There were even 4 submarines in the Navy. In addition, the Navy included coastal artillery, naval aviation, battalion of the marine corps.

In addition to the army itself, Bulgaria also had Border Troops, which were part of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, but from 1962 to 1972. belonging to the Ministry of Defense of Bulgaria; Internal troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs; Troops of the Postal Committee (government communications); Troops of the Ministry of Transport (railway, construction units). The aggregate of all troops and armed formations of the NRB by 1989 amounted to 325 thousand people.

It should be noted that, along with Poland and Germany, Bulgaria was among the three countries of the Warsaw Pact, where the number of power structures that are not part of the Ministry of Defense exceeded the size of the army itself. So, an important task of the border troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Bulgaria was to protect the state border of the country with Greece and Turkey, and in fact - to protect the borders of the socialist bloc from NATO countries.

Interestingly, the existing alignment of forces has survived in our days: Bulgaria can hardly be called a militarily strong NATO country, even when compared with other East European states. It is not the last among the NATO armies in Eastern Europe only because of the collapse of Yugoslavia and the emergence of dwarf armies of newly minted states. Of course, the modern Bulgarian army is stronger than the Macedonian or Slovenian, but it can not be compared with the armed forces of the same Poland or Hungary.
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  1. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 11 July 2020 14: 11 New
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    Romanians and Bulgarians do not even know how best: when they fight for you or when against .....
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 11 July 2020 14: 16 New
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      Quote: Zaurbek
      Romanians and Bulgarians do not even know how best: when they fight for you or when against .....

      laughing laughing good cool joke ..
      1. Maksim
        Maksim 13 July 2020 23: 03 New
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        As they say - come on again, raskazivay.
    2. Insurgent
      Insurgent 11 July 2020 14: 25 New
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      Quote: Zaurbek
      Romanians and Bulgarians do not even know how best: when they fight for you or when against .....

      History, practice, statements of authoritative military leaders (romanian burden), they say that it is better - when against ...

      After the outbreak of the First World War, Romania hesitated for a very long time, whose ally to become Germany and Austria-Hungary, or still join the Entente with Russia? There is one curious legend about this difficult and long choice.

      Once the King of Prussia (and he is also the Kaiser of the German Empire) Wilhelm II asked the Chief of the Field General Staff, Count Helmut von Moltke, what he thinks of Romania.
      And then Colonel General Moltke replied: "We do not care, Your Majesty, on whose side Romania will enter the war. If ours, then it will take 10 divisions to save it from defeat. If against us, you will need the same 10 divisions to defeat it».

      And Romania did make its choice - in 1916, she became an ally of Russia and the Entente.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 11 July 2020 14: 35 New
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        And we must also study the question with whom these countries started the war and against whom they ended.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 11 July 2020 14: 37 New
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          Quote: Zaurbek
          And we must also study the question with whom these countries started the war and against whom they ended.

          If "offhand," in the context of the article, then Bulgaria fought against Greece and Serbia, one way or another allied with the Russian Empire ...
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 11 July 2020 14: 38 New
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            And finished how?
            1. Akuzenka
              Akuzenka 11 July 2020 21: 16 New
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              She graduated, as usual, in the camp of the winners. In my opinion, this was said in "The Adventures of the Good Soldier Schweik", only about Italy: If Italy ended the war on the same side as it started, then she managed to double over. Bulgaria is about the same.
              1. Zaurbek
                Zaurbek 11 July 2020 21: 24 New
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                I mean it. In time will overrun is also important.
                1. Akuzenka
                  Akuzenka 11 July 2020 21: 29 New
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                  How was the classic: ““ Can’t you betray this, do it in time? ”I can’t vouch for the accuracy of the quote, but the point is that it’s not angry with the Bulgarians, they mostly treat Russians well. But Bulgaria is not worth the respect. Loyalty to allied duty is not about her.
                  1. Zaurbek
                    Zaurbek 11 July 2020 22: 00 New
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                    ... and brothers, brothers, but we will always support the aggressor against Russia.
                  2. pytar
                    pytar 11 July 2020 22: 29 New
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                    Loyalty to allied duty is not about her.

                    Explain what you mean? What "allied duty" are you talking about?
                2. pytar
                  pytar 11 July 2020 22: 36 New
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                  In time will overrun is also important.

                  Justify your hardening! For my part, I will give similar examples from other states. hi
              2. cat Rusich
                cat Rusich 12 July 2020 14: 57 New
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                Alexander, the Royal Government of Italy declared war on the 3rd Reich on October 13, 1943. Bulgaria declared war on the 3rd Reich on September 5, 1944.
          2. Walking
            Walking 11 July 2020 16: 16 New
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            Quote: Insurgent
            Quote: Zaurbek
            And we must also study the question with whom these countries started the war and against whom they ended.

            If "offhand," in the context of the article, then Bulgaria fought against Greece and Serbia, one way or another allied with the Russian Empire ...

            Not only the Bulgarians fought against Romania and against the Russian army in the same Romania.
            1. pytar
              pytar 11 July 2020 17: 39 New
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              Not only the Bulgarians fought against Romania and against the Russian army in the same Romania.

              In the homeland of the Bulgarian nation - Friendship, occupied by Romania in 1913! They fought for their homeland, on their native land, among the Bulgarian villages and villages.
              1. Errr
                Errr 11 July 2020 21: 39 New
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                For yes, nyama minuses, shaking yes we will write - South Dobrudja. smile hi
                1. pytar
                  pytar 11 July 2020 22: 26 New
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                  For yes, nyama minuses, let’s shake and write - South Dobrudja.

                  Until 1978, Romania, Wallachia never owned a piece of land south of the Danube. And Sev. Dobrogea is the place where Kan Asparuh began his campaign creating Bulgaria in 680.
                  Err, write in Russian, more than the banner. Some kind of tova debat! wink
                  1. Errr
                    Errr 11 July 2020 23: 09 New
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                    drinks
                    In me nyama fear, brotherly. Tuk e vzmozhno citizens, and the title of veche is not me interest. smile
                    The Bulgarian people are much interested in exchange for the analytical and grammatical design. Tova e is a lot of unnecessarily for the Russian brain. Claims and exercises with machine tools. Thanks for the dissuasion. hi
                    PS And, in fact, it is possible in Russian ... lol
                    1. pytar
                      pytar 12 July 2020 00: 26 New
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                      I understood! hi Briefly, nai-good se, teach a hedgehog with a personal obschevanu!
                      And so, you're right! Bulgarian (and the ego-Macedonian dialect), the only of all Slavic languages, is still analytical. good According to the theory of linguistics, all languages ​​from time to time, developing, move (due to pass) from synthetic to analytical form.
                      1. Errr
                        Errr 12 July 2020 02: 31 New
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                        Quote: pytar
                        According to the theory of linguistics, all languages ​​from time to time, developing, move (due to pass) from synthetic to analytical form.
                        Don’t be angry, Boyan (patar is a traveler wink ), but the conversion of a synthetic language into an analytical language is not at all mandatory:
                        The general degree of complexity of the morphological structure of a word can be expressed by the number of morphs per average word form. This is the so-called synthetic index calculated by the formula M / W, where M is the number of morphs in a segment of text in a given language, and W (from the English word) is the number of speech words (word usage) in the same segment. Of course, for the calculation it is necessary to take natural and more or less typical texts in the corresponding language (usually texts with a length of at least 100 word usage are taken). The theoretically conceivable lower limit for the synthetic index is 1: for such a magnitude of the index, the number of morphs is equal to the number of word usage, i.e., each word form is single morphic. In reality, there is not a single language in which every word would always coincide with a morpheme, so if the text is long enough, the value of the synthetic index will always be higher than one. Greenberg received the lowest value for Vietnamese: 1,06 (i.e., 100 morphs per 106 words). For English, he received the figure of 1,68, for Sanskrit - 2,59, for one of the Eskimo languages ​​- 3,72. For the Russian language, according to the estimates of different authors, numbers from 2,33 to 2,45 are obtained.
                        Languages ​​with an index value below 2 (in addition to Vietnamese and English, Chinese, Persian, Italian, German, Danish, etc.) are called analytic, with an index value of 2 to 3 (in addition to Russian and Sanskrit, ancient Greek, Latin, Lithuanian, Old Slavic, Czech , Polish, Yakut, Swahili, etc.) - synthetic and with an index value of more than 3 (in addition to the Eskimo, some other Paleo-Asian, Amerindian, some Caucasian languages) - polysynthetic. ”
                        A source: http://web.snauka.ru/issues/2012/11/18549
                        Following the logic of my quote, it is obvious that the ancient language, the more synthetic it is.
                        But Vest is right to have studied the hezik e nai-kindness in the process of communicating from a true carrier to him. Not at me. And kato reigned in Siberia not a lot ... lol
                  2. AllBiBek
                    AllBiBek 12 July 2020 01: 57 New
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                    And tell me, if not difficult, your version of these events?

                    I more or less know the reasons for the formation and collapse of the Black Sea Bulgaria, and the history of Kotrag and Batbay too, but what Asparuh had there - well, they teach us this very superficially and with general brushstrokes.

                    PS Last season, the summer capital of Kubrat was excavated at zero and in the format of security excavations (that is, as quickly as possible and under the scope of the report). In archaeological literature known as the "Lisovskaya beam".
                    1. pytar
                      pytar 12 July 2020 11: 54 New
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                      These are very eventful periods in whole sweeping over 13 centuries. I will try to note some key points! Danube Bulgaria initially had much more territory north of the Danube than south. Kan Asparuh, after defeating Byzantium, initially occupied Dobrudzhi, and then Mysia. The decisive battle took place south of the Danube Delta, the Ongle camp of the Proto-Bulgarians was supposedly located there, as evidenced by recent arch. disclosures. From the 7th to the 9th century, all of today's Romania was part of Bulgaria for 2 centuries. The Bulgarian nation began to form south of the Danube, in Misia, Thrace and Macedonia from the middle of the 9th century, and the Romanian north of the Danube. The Danube served as a natural boundary between these peoples and no one climbed to the other, there were no mutual complaints, there were no disputes. Which in itself is unique in world history.
                      In the political relations between Bulgaria and Romania, the period from 1878 to 1940, when the wallpaper of the state became factors in the Balkans, has significance. For the participation of Romania in the Russian-Turkish war, Russia gave it to Northern Dobrudja. Bulgarian land with a predominant Bulgarian population.

                      Romania is extremely reluctant to accept this region. The reference of the Romanian king Carol I to the local Bulgarian population of that time is indicative. The Romanians hoped that they would receive from Russia a part of Bessarabia, where the Moldovan kindred population lived, as well as a lot of Wallachians. But RI took this area for herself!
                      In 1878, for the first time in history, Romania received land south of the Danube, with a foreign, non-Romanian population! Accordingly, a potentially conflict zone arose between the two peoples, who had never before been at war with each other! From the Berlin Treaty in 1878, a couple more pieces were added to this territory.
                      The Bulgarians, given the role of Romania in the liberation of Bulgaria, resigned to the loss of the North. Dobruji. The main enemy for Bulgaria remained the Ottoman Empire and scandalized the Romanians, it made no sense. Moreover, after the abdication of Batenberg in 1886, in Sofia they proposed to Karol I to become a Bulgarian prince! The Orthodox countries will unite the wallpaper, thus preventing future territorial disputes. Unfortunately in St. Petersburg, the Romanian king categorically objected, and refused to offer the Bulgarians.
                      During the 2nd Balkan War, Bulgaria was in a difficult situation - the army tried to drive the Greeks and Serbs from Macedonia, from where they refused to wail in violation of the union agreement! Turkey went on the offensive in the east. Thrace. To the north / U. Dobrogea, Mysia / there were no Bulgarian troops! For protection from the Romanian claim, Bulgaria was counting on agreements with Russia, which undertook to prevent the Romanians from attacking! But ... when 400 thousand. the Romanian army entered Y. Dobrudzhi and without meeting the Bulgarian troops reached 14 km. from Sofia, RI was silent ... Bulgaria was in a hopeless situation and capitulated. Lands with the Bulgarian population, conquered from so many victims in the war with Turkey, were in the hands of new occupants!
                      Romania occupied the southern Dobrudja, up to Varna. In the occupied territories, the beginning of the extrusion of the Bulgarian ethnic group.

                      Bulgaria could not reconcile with etim. 1/3 of the Bulgarian nation remained under the alien occupation! When the WWII broke out, the entire male population of the country went under the banner of the army! Bulgaria implemented the highest mobilization rate from all the warring countries in the PVM. With a population of 5,5 million, almost 900 thousand passed through the fronts. men. In 1916, Romania joined the Entente, and the Bulgarian army launched an offensive on Dobrudja. All Dobrudja was liberated and was under the control of the Bulgarian authorities until the armistice and the end of the WWII. As a result of the Nye Treaty, Sev. and South Dobrogea, were transferred from Romania again. Romanian authorities began ethnic cleansing and repression among the Bulgarian population. North Dobrudge settled the Wallachians, there are almost no Bulgarians left. She is still Romanian and will remain so.
                      But South Dobrudzha, all the same, was returned peacefully to the Bulgarians! This happened in 1940, when Romania found itself in international isolation. Trying to attract Bulgaria to their country, Stalin and Hitler, reinforced the idea of ​​international arbitration, regarding Y. Dobrudzhi. The Vienna Arbitration Tribunal awarded the right to Bulgaria, in the case of J. Dobrogea and Romania executed the decisions. Now between Bulgaria and Romania there are no contentious issues and relations are good. Economy cooperation is developing successfully! Generally with Romanian tourists here we have plenty! Due to the fact that the country’s wallpapers are members of the EU, there is essentially no border in Dobrudja, I personally crossed it several times on foot. hi
                      1. Liam
                        Liam 12 July 2020 12: 26 New
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                        Quote: pytar
                        For the participation of Romania in the Russian-Turkish war, Russia gave it to Northern Dobrudja. Bulgarian land with a predominant Bulgarian population.

                        How interesting ... it's a pity you just do not give the numbers and% of this prevailing Bulgarian population.
                        Perhaps because according to the census of 1878, 226.000 people lived in North Dobrudja (127.000 of them Muslims). Most of the Tatars (71.000) .Turks-49.000. Romanian-47.000.Prevailing Bulgarians 30.000.
                        In addition to the murky stories of the 11-12th centuries of the Northern Dobrudja, it had nothing to do with Bulgarian state entities
                      2. pytar
                        pytar 12 July 2020 12: 52 New
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                        I did not publish data on ethn. the composition of the population, even though there are quite detailed ones, as this goes beyond the scope of the topic under which we write. Ottoman ones can be considered more reliable, but there are also Romanian ones, which also indicate a minority of the Wallachian population there. Dobrudja was a part of all Bulgarian state formations and never in Wallachian / Romanian until 1878, with the exception of the anti-Ottoman alliance of Wallachia with Dobrudjan despotism in the 14th century. It is a fact. It should be borne in mind that the Bulgarians and Wallachians were in fairly close contact, especially during the general struggle against the Ottomans. For example, the Asenevtsi dynasty / 2 BHCs / have a Wallachian origin. These are close cultural peoples of the same Orthodox faith! There was nothing for them to share, the Danube between them, and they had one enemy!
                      3. Liam
                        Liam 12 July 2020 13: 00 New
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                        Quote: pytar
                        I did not publish data on ethn. the composition of the population, although there are quite detailed ones, since this goes beyond the scope of the topic under which we write

                        Commendable. It is a pity that you yourself and declare that

                        Quote: pytar
                        For the participation of Romania in the Russian-Turkish war, Russia gave it to Northern Dobrudja. Bulgarian land with a predominant Bulgarian population

                        And this is not true. The Bulgarians there were the 4th ethnic group in number. A little more than 10%.
                        How untrue it is that it is originally Bulgarian land. But you can not describe the role of the Bulgarians, for example, in the foundation and development of the main city of the region of Constanta. For the lack of such a role
                      4. pytar
                        pytar 12 July 2020 15: 21 New
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                        And this is not true. The Bulgarians there were the 4th ethnic group in number. A little more than 10%.

                        Very controversial hardening! I can set up a bunch of other statistics that disprove it. At the end of the post, I will explain why I do not think this is necessary!
                        It is not true that this is originally Bulgarian land.

                        This is the place where Balkan Bulgaria began before 13 centuries, and all the time it remained part of the Bulgarian land. Our opinions are different, we will not reach consensus.
                        You’ll find it difficult to describe the role of the Bulgarians, for example, in the foundation and development of the main city of the region of Constance.

                        I did not write anything about this. Since the first settlement / policy / was founded in this place in the VI century BC Greek settlers from the Asia Minor city of Miletus. From the VI century, it becomes part of the First, and later the Second Bulgarian Kingdom, to the ego of the end, when in the XIV century it remains within the borders of Dobrudzhanoto despotism. Since 1870, and the establishment of the Bulgarian Exarchy on the basis of the plebiscide of Constance, has been part of it. Romania until 1878 has nothing to do with the city. Even after the accession of S.D. to Romania, in 1889. an impressive Bulgarian church was built (at the current Strada Razoarelor at Strada Izvor) to the Bulgarian school (Şonţu Gheorghe Maior 7). In the following years, the Romanian authorities began to actively colonize the region. It is populated from all over the country by Romanians from all over the country in order to change the ratio of the ethnic composition of the population, which was previously composed in the predominant part of the Bulgars, Turks and Tatars. According to the Geographical Dictionary of J. Chankov in 1879, the year of Kyustendzh has approx. 5000 inhabitants, among them there are no Romanians. By 1918, the population of the city totaled more than 25 people, of which 000/1 were Romanians, and the remaining Bulgarians, Turks, Jews, Greeks and others.
                        Lastly, I will explain why now there is no sense in such disputes! The current border between Bulgaria and Romania has been around for 80 years. The ethnic composition of Dobrudja has long changed. None of the parties, even in theory, is thinking about changing the status quo. No one has a claim. Moreover, between Bulgaria and Romania, since the time of socialism, friendly good-neighborly relations have been established, which are an example for other countries! Entering the EU, the location of the physical border has diminished in importance. All Danube regions on both sides participate in joint EU programs on economic and cultural cooperation. The bridge over the Danube linking Bulgaria and Romania is called the "Friendship Bridge", which corresponds to the spirit of relations between the two countries! The endless stream of people, goods, investments goes in both directions. We are waiting for the construction of the second bridge, the bridges should be connected, not divided! Romania does not have conflicting interests south of the Danube; Bulgaria does not have such interests north. So, we will live with the present, the story is always ambiguous, but it should not be a cause for conflict. hi
                2. Bagatur
                  Bagatur 13 July 2020 21: 24 New
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                  No Vienna Arbitration! Tsar Boris wanted and managed to get a bilateral agreement with Romania! Craiovsk spodgba 07.09.1940/XNUMX/XNUMX. For the sake of this, after the war, the winners from the AHK canceled all the arbitrations of the Axis countries, but Bulgaria retained South Dobruja!
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    4. Legionista
      Legionista 11 July 2020 17: 04 New
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      If "offhand," in the context of the article, then Bulgaria fought against Greece and Serbia, one way or another allied with the Russian Empire ...

      Defending Serbia, how good did it end for the Russian Empire?
      The Bulgarians never directly took part in the road against Russia either in the First World War or in the Great Patriotic War.
      From a recent, Bulgarian soldiers refused !!! to shoot at targets made in the form of Russian soldiers. I think that in one of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation it would be a pleasure to shoot at such targets, without even thinking much.
      1. doubovitski
        doubovitski 11 July 2020 18: 11 New
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        Quote: Legionista
        If "offhand," in the context of the article, then Bulgaria fought against Greece and Serbia, one way or another allied with the Russian Empire ...

        Defending Serbia, how good did it end for the Russian Empire?
        The Bulgarians never directly took part in the road against Russia either in the First World War or in the Great Patriotic War.
        From a recent, Bulgarian soldiers refused !!! to shoot at targets made in the form of Russian soldiers. I think that in one of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation it would be a pleasure to shoot at such targets, without even thinking much.

        Learn the history of the Balkan Wars. And then you’ll understand that you wrote the shit. Two submarines sunk by the Bulgarian fascists. They replaced the Germans in Yugoslavia, fighting the Tito partisans. The liberated military units of the Germans arrived on the Eastern Front. Bulgarians have always fought with the Serbs, the all-time allies of Russia.

        Why Bulgaria fought against Russia in two world wars

        https://pikabu.ru/story/pochemu_bolgariya_voevala_protiv_rossii_v_dvukh_mirovyikh_voynakh_3691432
        1. Legionista
          Legionista 11 July 2020 18: 20 New
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          Learn the history of the Balkan Wars. And then you’ll understand that you wrote the shit.

          I didn’t baptize children with you, you don’t need to poke. I don’t care about the partisans of Tito. To admonish you, it is enough to recall that in Varna our Black Sea Fleet is right up to our the collapse of the USSR freely entered. And in Yugoslavia we pushed lips almost immediately after the war. Kicked out of Split's navy kicked out kicked us [quote partisans Tito [/ quote]
        2. Maksim
          Maksim 15 July 2020 15: 41 New
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          Quote: doubovitski
          Learn the history of the Balkan Wars. And then you’ll understand that you wrote the shit.

          Dear, although they have already answered you sensibly, please accept my very well-wishing advice. Forget what the media stuffed in your brain. Take a school history course. And I’m sure to remember a lot of interesting things.
      2. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 11 July 2020 21: 39 New
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        Quote: Legionista
        The Bulgarians never directly took part in the road against Russia either in the First World War or in the Great Patriotic War.
        From the recent, the Bulgarian military refused !!! to shoot at targets made in the form of Russian soldiers

        I will support the Bulgarian brothers! During the time of the VD of the USSR, it did not hold the occupying forces on the territory of Bulgaria, because Bulgarians were very warm towards Russian-Soviet. My father went there in the 84th on a business trip. The most positive impressions. And I will say this .... It’s not worth kicking at bad Bulgarians, Romanians and further on the list. We, ourselves, Russia, must become an attractive and strong power in all respects. Strong in defense, economy and very important, in culture we must become a world block. And then the buffer states, like moths, will come to us in the light of truth. How to become such a magical beautiful country ...? And you need, just nothing, the smallest of which greatness is born. And the name of this "little" ----- IDEA.
        1. pytar
          pytar 11 July 2020 22: 40 New
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          I will support your words! good Strong, civilizational-forming states are the center of gravity for small countries and peoples! It’s like with heavenly bodies! If you don’t put your country in order, there’s nothing to be angry with others! You must always start on your own! hi
        2. Legionista
          Legionista 11 July 2020 22: 45 New
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          There is no need to kick bad Bulgarians, Romanians and further down the list. We, ourselves, Russia, must become an attractive and strong power in all respects.

          good Strongly and unconditionally agree with your thesis!
        3. da Vinci
          da Vinci 12 July 2020 10: 06 New
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          Love and respect for power - not worth ANYTHING. How much we saw the betrayals of Africans, Arabs, the same "brothers" of the Slavs, including “brothers” of the Bulgarians who abandoned the USSR (long before 1991) for crunching a fresh green bill. And do not talk about the rulers of those countries, their own people chose (and continue to choose). They are friends with the USA for a long time, not for money, but because the USA are very tightly held for one place, and in which case they are tightly twisted for this place. Russia will not and will not have brothers, there will only be partners, this was understood and used in the West for a long time not by friendship, not by faith, not by ideology, but by “torsion force”.
          But I do not think that it is necessary to engage in "retention and torsion." Only beneficial (primarily for their country), business relations. IMHO.
          1. pytar
            pytar 12 July 2020 12: 29 New
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            Love and respect for power - not worth ANYTHING. How much we saw the betrayals of Africans, Arabs, the same "brothers" of the Slavs, including "brothers" Bulgarians

            Love, respect, is between people! Rulers, including Russian ones, always come from interests; there is no sentiment in politics! Theses about "betrayal" rotten roots! Each to each can exhibit a long list of claims! "All are bad, you alone are white and fluffy!" Bullshit of course! There is no benefit from such attacks, only harm!
            Only beneficial (primarily for their country), business relations.

            And yes, in that you are right, business relations are very important! One propaganda does not go far! hi
            1. Liam
              Liam 12 July 2020 12: 50 New
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              Quote: pytar
              Love, respect, is between people!

              Love and respect are only between personally known people. And these feelings arise on the basis of a person’s personal qualities, and not on a passport. Therefore, the assertion that ordinary Bulgarians massively respect ordinary Russians only for their nationality is the same demagogy as your opponents screaming about little brothers traitors who do not remember good.
              And stories about all the ruining rulers, fig leaf
              1. pytar
                pytar 12 July 2020 13: 05 New
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                Therefore, the assertion that ordinary Bulgarians en masse respect ordinary Russians only for their nationality is the same demagogy as your opponents screaming about brother traitors who do not remember good.

                You are wrong, since the number of people who are well related to Russian Bulgarians is really massive. They are most. This is confirmed by all opinion polls and studies, even American ones.
                And stories about all the ruining rulers, fig leaf

                Yes, I believe that politicians and rulers often spoil relations between nations. Yesterday's friends became enemies, but it was the other way around. So it is in history, whether you like it or not, without meaning ....
      3. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 13 July 2020 12: 48 New
        +1
        Quote: Legionista
        The Bulgarians never directly took part in the road against Russia either in the First World War or in the Great Patriotic War.

        In World War I, on the Thessaloniki Front, the Russian special infantry brigades fought just against the Bulgarian army.
        1. Bagatur
          Bagatur 13 July 2020 21: 40 New
          +2
          Namely, in Macedonia! You do not know that more than 10% of the Bulgarian army then a native of Macedonia! Over 85 soldiers! We had 000 infantry Macedonian division, 11 men. From the commander of the general Krustyu Zlatarev to the cooks and shoemakers from Macedonia. From Macedonia, I had 40 officers, including divisions, commanders, commanders .... They fought and died for their Fatherland, on their own land, for their people! The Russians came to Macedonia and Dobrudja to help our enemies. Don’t send Russia to conquer ... So we met as expected! Why are you so surprised?
    5. doubovitski
      doubovitski 11 July 2020 17: 55 New
      0
      No offhand. Bulgaria has always fought against Russia or against its allies. Starting from the First Balkan War, and ending with the Second World War.
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 11 July 2020 18: 02 New
        -5
        Quote: doubovitski
        No offhand. Bulgaria has always fought against Russia or against its allies.

        I did not want to aggravate, aggravate the Bulgarians present here ...
        But it turned out, judging by their comments, that they were not worth it yes
        1. Nagaibak
          Nagaibak 13 July 2020 22: 24 New
          -2
          Insurgent "I did not want to aggravate, bite the Bulgarians present here ..."
          A traditional mistake of the Russian people.))) For us everything goes through us and nothing is shy. That is accused of colonialism is still some sort of nonsense. And we kind of do not want to offend.))) And why look at them?))) I must admit that Alexander 2 made a mistake.))) That's all.))) Fighting with the Turks out of sympathy for the Bulgarian people is complete garbage.)) )
      2. Legionista
        Legionista 11 July 2020 18: 23 New
        +4
        They replaced the Germans in Yugoslavia, fighting the Tito partisans.
        The Germans in Yugoslavia and the Cossacks Pannwitz gladly replaced
      3. pytar
        pytar 11 July 2020 18: 38 New
        +7
        Bulgaria has always fought against Russia or against its allies. Starting from the First Balkan War, and ending with the Second World War.

        Do you read your links? Here is what it says:
        Bulgaria, who fought on the side of Germany in World War II, despite a widespread misconception, did not fight the USSR. She refused to declare war on the USSR and, unlike all German allies, did not send troops to the eastern front. Moreover, she maintained diplomatic relations with the USSR. In 1944, the USSR itself declared war on Bulgaria, but the matter did not come to military action. As soon as the Soviet army entered Bulgaria, a communist coup took place, and Bulgaria itself declared war on Germany.

        And about the events that led Bulgaria to the Central Forces camp, everything is very accurately described here:
        https://www.vedomosti.ru/opinion/articles/2017/10/20/738689-bratushki-bratoubiitsami
        There is also:
        https://ruskline.ru/news_rl/2019/09/16/tak_li_vinovaty_neblagodarnye_bratushki?page=5

        https://teleskop-by.org/2019/09/13/byli-li-bratushki-predatelyami-chetyre-mifa-o-bolgarii-v-gody-vtoroj-mirovoj-vojny/
        In RuNet there are abundant statis of accusations against the Bulgarians, but for some reason ALL such stats miss very important facts!
      4. alatanas
        alatanas 14 July 2020 21: 36 New
        0
        1) In the First Balkan War, Bulgaria fought with the Turks.
        2) In the Second Balkan War, Bulgaria fought with Serbia, Greece, Montenegro, Romania and Turkey.
        3) Yes. In WWII, Bulgaria fought with the Republic of Ingushetia in Macedonia (geographic region) and in Dobrudja (geographic region). Places with a predominant Bulgarian population (see San Stefano Treaty)
        4) In WWII, Bulgaria did not fight the USSR and was in the diploma. relations with the USSR until 05.09.1944/XNUMX/XNUMX
        5) From 05.09.1944/09.09.1944/XNUMX to XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX it was at war with Germany, the USA, England and the USSR
        6) After 09.09.1944, as part of the III Ukrainian Front, it fights in Yugoslavia, Hungary and Austria.
        Read the story in more detail and then draw general conclusions.
    6. Oleg Salov
      Oleg Salov 16 August 2020 02: 00 New
      0
      It's like in the war of 1812, when they entered Russia, all of Europe was part of the French army, and when they left Russia, European countries with their armies began to leave Napoleon, declaring war on him, and in World War II, almost all of Europe was in the troops of Hitler, but along the route of the red army across Europe, as well as in 1812, they began to leave the alliance with Germany, except for the Hungarians, they fought to the end, believed that for the atrocities that they did on our territory, we we will not stand on ceremony with them, we will take revenge, but we have always been generous and pitied the Hungarians, but not war criminals.
  • Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 11 July 2020 18: 28 New
    0
    after which the Germans took Bucharest and almost all of Romania
  • vladcub
    vladcub 11 July 2020 19: 21 New
    +1
    Cool story. Though in a satirical magazine
  • ycuce234-san
    ycuce234-san 11 July 2020 22: 44 New
    -2
    And then Colonel General Moltke answered ...


    This famous answer is a reference example of the limits of competence and their fundamental limitations.
    Indeed, it seems that in 1909 the Germans had already begun to produce a new type of automotive equipment, which is still in high demand in the army and to this day - all-wheel drive vehicles with internal combustion engines. But steamers and steam locomotives in oil heating, chemical plants, specific military equipment, such as submarines, airplanes and airships, existed decades before this conversation and were used in WWII. "And today [for the Germans] - there was a war."
  • Captivity
    Captivity 13 July 2020 05: 37 New
    -1
    It’s strange that you say that. Von Hindenburg, for example, believed that it was Romania who would decide who would win the war.

    The German high command was seriously worried about the prospect of Romania entering the war, Paul von Hindenburg writing:

    It is certain that so relatively small a state as Rumania had never before been given a role so important, and, indeed, so decisive for the history of the world at so favorable a moment. Never before had two great Powers like Germany and Austria found themselves so much at the mercy of the military resources of a country which had scarcely one twentieth of the population of the two great states. Judging by the military situation, it was to be expected that Rumania had only to advance where she wished to decide the world war in favor of those Powers which had been hurling themselves at us in vain for years. Thus everything seemed to depend on whether Rumania was ready to make any sort of use of her momentary advantage.

    But who is Moltke and who is Hindenburg?
  • pytar
    pytar 11 July 2020 16: 15 New
    +4
    Romanians and Bulgarians do not even know how best: when they fight for you or when against .....

    Everyone fights much better when they fight for themselves, in defense of their homeland. hi
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 11 July 2020 16: 19 New
      0
      And the little brothers protect their homeland in Russia.
    2. Hunter 2
      Hunter 2 11 July 2020 17: 10 New
      12
      In 1989, as a Pioneer flew to Bulgaria on vacation. I don’t know how things were with the army and the Navy, but - Good People.
      Money and apparently stamped in one place ... our pennies Perfectly replaced their "stotinka".
    3. doubovitski
      doubovitski 11 July 2020 17: 58 New
      -9
      Quote: pytar
      Romanians and Bulgarians do not even know how best: when they fight for you or when against .....

      Everyone fights much better when they fight for themselves, in defense of their homeland. hi

      Especially when you protect yourself from the Russians. You have sunk two of our submarines. Your volunteers fought on the Eastern Front. You killed the Yugoslav partisans, who, DEFENSE their homeland, freeing the Germans to send to the Eastern Front. You are still fighting with the monuments of your liberators.
      1. pytar
        pytar 11 July 2020 18: 01 New
        14
        "Victor Kuzmich", for the hundredth time you write the same thing on the VO forum, and I have already refuted you 99 times! Tell me ... are you a car accident ???
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 11 July 2020 21: 02 New
          +9
          Quote: pytar
          "Victor Kuzmich", for the hundredth time you write the same thing on the VO forum, and I have already refuted you 99 times! Tell me ... are you a car accident ???

          It would be better if it was a “machine”. Bulgarians for the Russians are fraternal people, even during World War I, under the leadership of the king from the dynasty of the Hohenzolerns, the Bulgarian war against the Russians was expressed in the almost universal "fraternization" of soldiers of both armies.
          1. pytar
            pytar 11 July 2020 22: 21 New
            +3
            It would be better if it was a “machine”.

            Such as those of VK, comments are full of ru-forums, where it’s all about Bulgaria! Like under stamping! They represent a selection of events taken out of context, and also as a headset, a lot of untruth! Explicitly compiled in one center! bully
            1. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 11 July 2020 22: 48 New
              +8
              Quote: pytar
              Explicitly compiled in one center!

              There is some truth in this, but this is not only about Bulgaria, it is also about Belarus, and about many other fraternal peoples to us. This is beneficial only to the enemies of Russia.
              1. pytar
                pytar 12 July 2020 00: 00 New
                +3
                There is some truth in this, but this is not only about Bulgaria, it is also about Belarus, and about many other fraternal peoples to us. This is beneficial only to the enemies of Russia.

                We are talking about the elementary tactics of etching nearby peoples! Especially active - Slavic! For example, when they write about the Poles - one negative and always "Poland participated in the division of Czechoslovakia" / disputed region. Silence /! Like, "Poles / all / bad, well, sooo bad!" In the parallel branches, the Czechs are already criticized, be sure to indicate that "the Czechs worked hard for the Nazis"! Tipo accomplices and, accordingly, "Czechs / all / very bad"! So in a row everyone you can think of! By the way, this is also on TV channels! The question arises - where in essence are the enemies of Russia?!?! belay
                1. aleksejkabanets
                  aleksejkabanets 12 July 2020 09: 02 New
                  +8
                  Quote: pytar
                  We are talking about the elementary tactics of etching nearby peoples! Especially active - Slavic!

                  Yes. Divide and rule. That's exactly what they do.
                  Quote: pytar
                  The question arises - where in essence are the enemies of Russia?!?!

                  Inside Russia. So it is in Bulgaria and in other countries. People of labor have nothing to share among themselves. I have no complaints either against the English miner Tom, or against the American turner Bill. In the days of the USSR, there was a good slogan "Unite the proletarians of all countries."
                  Quote: pytar
                  Tipo accomplices and, accordingly, "Czechs / all / very bad"! So in a row everyone you can think of!

                  Stalin said: "Hitlers come and go, but the German people remain." Only a foolish person can blame an entire nation for anything.
          2. alatanas
            alatanas 14 July 2020 21: 44 New
            0
            In Bulgaria, in the first place was the king, and the dynasty of Sax Coburg Gotha. The Hohenzolerns in Bulgaria have never worked.
            Read, Alexei story and do not make people laugh.
      2. Bagatur
        Bagatur 11 July 2020 18: 54 New
        -10
        And what did your boats do in our terriorial drive? The USSR did not officially fight against Bulgaria. The Soviet ambassador stood in Sofia, and the Black Sea Fleet of the USSR carried the communist PDB terrorist forces to us ... So they drowned correctly!
        1. pytar
          pytar 11 July 2020 22: 52 New
          -3
          So they drowned correctly!

          5 submarines. Of these, only one is probably drowned as a result of the shelling. Located very close to the coast. 1 ran into a bolg. mines, the second - north of the Romanian. The remaining 2 submarines are type stackers. The causes of drowning are not established categorically. But from the remains it can be judged that we are talking about explosions inside the buildings, probably as a result of the accident. hi
      3. pereselenec
        pereselenec 12 July 2020 01: 03 New
        -3
        Quote: doubovitski
        Especially when you protect yourself from the Russians. You have sunk two of our submarines. Your volunteers fought on the Eastern Front. You killed the Yugoslav partisans, who, DEFENSE their homeland, freeing the Germans to send to the Eastern Front. You are still fighting with the monuments of your liberators.


        What kind of evil Bulgarian-Bendera turned out to be. In general, we are not lucky with our neighbors. In the north, the Baltic states are then Poles-Benders, Ukro-Benders, Romanians, and on the southernmost borders the Georgian-Benders are fussing. And they are all plotting the wiles of poor Russian girl. And to the Yugopartizan brothers. laughing

        My heart feels that as a three-percent escapes to Rostov, the Belarussian-Bendera will expose their terrible grin. wassat
      4. Bagatur
        Bagatur 13 July 2020 21: 45 New
        -1
        Monuments to the army of RI 1877-1878 nobody touches! Ah, here the monuments of the occupying Red Army of 1944-1947 are a completely different matter!
  • Terenin
    Terenin 11 July 2020 18: 55 New
    17
    Quote: Zaurbek
    Romanians and Bulgarians do not even know how best: when they fight for you or when against .....

    What is the most successful army of World War II?
    Romanian
    Hitler reached Moscow, with Stalin to Berlin.
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 11 July 2020 19: 30 New
    +1
    The winged one immediately comes to mind: "God save me from friends, but I can handle the enemies myself." hi
  • 5-9
    5-9 12 July 2020 10: 14 New
    +1
    German General Staff ...
    My general, Italy has entered the war!
    Send 10 divisions against them.
    But she is on our side!
    Mmmmm ... Send them help 25 ...
  • antivirus
    antivirus 12 July 2020 20: 55 New
    0
    Of course, the modern Bulgarian army is stronger than the Macedonian or Slovenian, but it can not be compared with the armed forces of the same Poland or Hungary.

    the weakness of the modern army is the best that our friends can do for us Bulgarians and not against NATO
  • Archon
    Archon 13 July 2020 20: 24 New
    0
    When they don’t fight at all, it’s definitely better.
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    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 11 July 2020 14: 35 New
      +4
      Quote: Gado
      Another vyser in the direction of Bulgaria on the site of VO? Well, well, seen and more, rejoice.

      If you have your own, different assessment of the combat effectiveness of the NRB Armed Forces during the period of membership in the VD, give it yes
      1. Gado
        Gado 11 July 2020 14: 39 New
        +8
        There are so many strategists, tacticians, and generally "specialists" that I don’t think it’s proper to explain to you, I’m somehow uncomfortable.
        I served in the Bulgarian army and I know firsthand what the state of the armed forces was in those years. Now - so-so.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 11 July 2020 14: 42 New
          -4
          Quote: Gado
          I served in the Bulgarian army and I know firsthand what the state of the armed forces was in those years.

          And in orderto evaluate in comparison, you need to know the state of the allied armies.
          And in comparison with them, the NRB army was indeed frankly weak.
          Quote: Gado
          There are so many strategists, tacticians, and generally "specialists" that I don’t think it’s proper to explain to you, I’m somehow uncomfortable.

          A strange statement against the background of the fact that the article personally hurt you so much.
          1. Gado
            Gado 11 July 2020 14: 54 New
            15
            An article is concocted from nothing, literally. The author does not know anything about the state of AD in those years, but he worked for the money, that's all. As for whether it struck me or not - yes, it struck me, people who do not know anything about something but always write me, trying to look authoritatively and at the last word. And your comments are all the more inappropriate - you try to hurt me personally, most of the townsfolk VO play on this, they fill their ranks, that's all.
            All the best to you!
            1. Lara Croft
              Lara Croft 11 July 2020 15: 12 New
              0
              Quote: Gado
              An article is concocted from nothing, literally. The author does not know anything about the state of AD in those years, but he worked for the money, that's all.

              So you Insurgent and asked the anti-legacy question (personally not hurt you):
              If you have your own, different assessment of the combat effectiveness of the NRB Armed Forces during the period of membership in the VD, give it

              And you immediately turned on "stupid" and offended good, as well as gullible members of the forum angry :
              There are so many strategists, tacticians, and generally "specialists" that I don’t think it’s proper to explain to you, I’m somehow uncomfortable.

              It turns out, not an article as you said
              vyser in the direction of Bulgaria on the site VO
              and your comment fool
            2. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 11 July 2020 19: 32 New
              +5
              An article is concocted from nothing, literally. The author does not know anything
              Here it is - true !!! The last couple of years, this author is about nothing !!!
        2. Doliva63
          Doliva63 11 July 2020 21: 28 New
          +8
          Quote: Gado
          There are so many strategists, tacticians, and generally "specialists" that I don’t think it’s proper to explain to you, I’m somehow uncomfortable.
          I served in the Bulgarian army and I know firsthand what the state of the armed forces was in those years. Now - so-so.

          In the 85th, it seems, at the next Shield, my company captured the bridge together with the Bulgarians. Absolutely adequate, normally prepared. For the "blue" NNA East Germany were Slavs won laughing Then, in the tavern, the Germans said - without you they would not have been able. But this is only because the authority of the SA was in the ATS (and not only) unshakable. drinks
      2. alatanas
        alatanas 14 July 2020 21: 50 New
        0
        The weakest VD army, regardless of its size, was Romanian. This is according to the documents of the VD on the tasks of the armies in the southern theater of operations of the Warsaw military treaty.
        1. marat2016
          marat2016 2 September 2020 20: 54 New
          0
          Romanians were considered as possible opponents, despite the fact that they were formally in the OVD, at least in the documents of the ODVO of the late 80s it was said that they would have to fight against them, and not for them.
    2. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 11 July 2020 14: 35 New
      -6
      Brothers ... what to take from them. But the Turks love them.
    3. Bolo
      Bolo 11 July 2020 14: 56 New
      -1
      Another offended? How many more are you there? Again Alyosha monument paint in revenge grind?
      1. Legionista
        Legionista 11 July 2020 16: 31 New
        +6
        At the request of the Circassian public, a monument in the Adler district was demolished, opened only on June 30, that is, 10 days ago. He was demolished yesterday. Monument to the Russian soldiers of the XIX century who fought there.

        You will turn around you. In our country! Now! Demolished monuments to Russian soldiers! What do we blame the Bulgarians, if at home we can’t keep the memory?
        Why are you looking at a bitch in your brother’s eye, and you don’t feel the logs in your eye ... Hypocrite! first remove the log from your eye, and then you will see how to remove the knot from the eye of your brother.
        Matthew Ch. 7 tbsp. 3-5
      2. pytar
        pytar 11 July 2020 17: 53 New
        15
        Again Alyosha monument paint in revenge grind?

        Alyosha is doing well! The park around was landscaped the previous year. Every year, celebrations are held in memory of the dead owls. soldier! Of course, you won’t find a single line in Russian media for these reasons! About Bulgaria and the Bulgarians, only the bad!







        You better take care of your monuments in Russia.
        1. Terenin
          Terenin 11 July 2020 19: 03 New
          11
          Quote: pytar
          Alyosha is doing well! The park around was landscaped the previous year.

          Quote: pytar
          You better take care of your monuments in Russia.

          And thank you for "Alyosha", hi and worry about our monuments yes
      3. pereselenec
        pereselenec 12 July 2020 01: 13 New
        -1
        Quote: Bolo
        Another offended? How many more are you there? Again Alyosha monument paint in revenge grind?


        We also study:





        Maybe you will be consistent and presenting the Bulgarians for the monuments, present for them and the Circassians (and leave the article for inciting)?
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  • Miller
    Miller 11 July 2020 14: 32 New
    +6
    In the NNA of the GDR, ordinary and sergeant personnel were never involved in the implementation of households. works, unlike CA. So you can argue about the leader in combat efficiency.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 11 July 2020 14: 36 New
      +4
      And their discipline was on a different level.
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      2. Miller
        Miller 11 July 2020 14: 48 New
        -2
        It came to the point that the imitation charges on the exercises on the "battlefield" (by the arrival of E. Honneker) were established not by combat engineer companies, but by battalion officers. Here you have the whole combat readiness. And this is only one episode.
    2. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 11 July 2020 15: 17 New
      -2
      Quote: Miller
      In the NNA of the GDR, ordinary and sergeant personnel were never involved in the implementation of households. works, unlike CA. So you can argue about the leader in combat efficiency.

      Apparently you have information about the experience of the combat use of NNA GDR? No, I thought so ...
      Yes, NATO countries, incl. The United States, it was the SA that was afraid, and not any army from the ATS countries ...
      So consider that your spit (unsuccessful) towards SA has returned to you back ...
      1. Miller
        Miller 15 July 2020 18: 10 New
        -1
        I never spat and never even thought to spit in the direction of CA. And the information is available at first hand. And they were afraid of the SA because they remembered who defeated fascism.
  • Avior
    Avior 11 July 2020 14: 39 New
    +5
    The author forgot that the Bulgarians should not have opposed Greece and Turkey alone.
    For this there was a whole Odessa military district. He participated in exercises with the Bulgarians in the 80s, many spoke Russian reasonably well.
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 11 July 2020 15: 18 New
      -1
      Quote: Avior
      The author forgot that the Bulgarians should not have opposed Greece and Turkey alone.
      For this there was a whole Odessa military district.

      And the Southern Group of Forces SA ...
    2. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 11 July 2020 20: 19 New
      +4
      "The SUA ground forces included 8 mechanized divisions and 5 tank brigades as the main force"
      A military expert does not need to write like this - in this case, eight and five are written in words (and the number is written 8 md ... 5 tbr-eighth md ..) But. this is of course trifles ... Regarding the Bulgarian NE, there are three field armies and the 14th Army of the SA is understandable on the stream ..
  • Gado
    Gado 11 July 2020 14: 41 New
    11
    Quote: Avior
    The author forgot that the Bulgarians should not have opposed Greece and Turkey alone.
    For this there was a whole Odessa military district. He participated in exercises with the Bulgarians in the 80s, many spoke Russian reasonably well.

    And even write, that's how.
    1. Bolo
      Bolo 11 July 2020 15: 00 New
      -5
      And the point is that you write and speak Russian? To expel poison and anger from a Russian site, and then get 30 € for it?
    2. Insurgent
      Insurgent 11 July 2020 15: 04 New
      +1
      Quote: Gado
      And even write, that's how.

      Interesting to write yes

      Quote: Gado (Vasco) April 11, 2020 00:56
      If I were an anti-Russian bot, then I would not have been here for a long time.

      Brothering the Bulgarians, we have nothing more to do on this site. I urge you to delete your accounts and find a site in which we would be allowed to defend our opinions without hatred and lies.
      Dear moderators and administrators, stay in good health, thanks for the deleted comments and inappropriate warnings. All the best!


      He said goodbye, said goodbye, but didn’t say goodbye crying
      1. Gado
        Gado 11 July 2020 15: 12 New
        +2
        In, hurt! Bravo!
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 11 July 2020 15: 16 New
          -8
          Quote: Gado
          In, hurt! Bravo!

          It is foolish to flaunt their own worthless unscrupulousness yes .

          He said goodbye himself, he called his crowd of Chaldean minus-minors to blame, so what did he return, since here it is so "It smells like Russia"?
          1. Gado
            Gado 11 July 2020 15: 19 New
            +8
            I'm already in phantom mode, the conversation with you is uninteresting. Be a Russian patriot.
            1. Insurgent
              Insurgent 11 July 2020 15: 21 New
              -7
              Quote: Gado
              Become a Russian patriot.

              Here she is - ESSENCEgot out ...
              1. Gado
                Gado 11 July 2020 15: 31 New
                +7
                It’s not my fault that you can’t catch the irony, "a participant in an armed uprising."
                1. Insurgent
                  Insurgent 11 July 2020 15: 36 New
                  -2
                  Quote: Gado
                  that you don’t catch the irony,


                  Is that also ironic?

                  Quote: Gado
                  "participant in an armed uprising"


                  If so, then stupid, as I was de facto insurgent fighting in the militia (NM) of the DPR, and I consider myself a patriot of Russia, albeit so far divorced from the Great Homeland ...
            2. Dmitry Nikolaevich Fedunov
              Dmitry Nikolaevich Fedunov 11 July 2020 18: 18 New
              -4
              I'm already in phantom mode, the conversation with you is uninteresting. Be a Russian patriot. [/ Quote]
              To be more precise, the patriot of the young Russian Federation!)))))))))))
              Keep Alyosha - yet this is the memory of Russia!
            3. Emphasis
              Emphasis 11 July 2020 19: 33 New
              -3
              Comrade Insurgent is working hard at the media front. So do not try to prove something, since this is his job and here you will not master
          2. apro
            apro 11 July 2020 16: 11 New
            +7
            Insurgent ... what deep thought did you want to convey?
        2. pytar
          pytar 11 July 2020 16: 24 New
          +5
          Vasco, do not get fooled by these provocations. wink
          1. Terenin
            Terenin 11 July 2020 19: 10 New
            +7
            Quote: pytar
            Vasco, do not get fooled by these provocations. wink

            Colleagues, calmer. I would still take into account that nicknames and names are here depersonalized and, indeed, do not succumb to provocations.
  • Gado
    Gado 11 July 2020 15: 02 New
    +3
    Quote: Bolo
    And the point is that you write and speak Russian? To expel poison and anger from a Russian site, and then get 30 € for it?

    Try better, maybe I’ll say something personally to you.
  • Keyser soze
    Keyser soze 11 July 2020 15: 04 New
    10
    The author, yes, at least one figure and comparison and historical view would have done. The disgrace of journalism .... too lazy to argue with similar individuals. And there’s no time - you’ll make a line here and at that time we are protesting in the square, we are fighting with the police in order to remove our oligarchy, the Government and all the thieves in power. By the way, the Serbs attack their Parliament for the third day. The Greeks threw Molotov cocktails in Athens Parliament. Sofia, Varna, Plovdiv for the third day fighting the oligarchy in the streets.

    But they don’t tell you anything, because everything is perfect for you.

    Good luck to you with the newly reset king and the Sechins.
    1. Andrey VOV
      Andrey VOV 11 July 2020 23: 29 New
      +1
      My friend ... if you are Orthodox, you know very well that don’t panic with your Charter to someone else’s monastery ... but that you’re buzzing there ... so buzzing, others will come to these places and they will also peel like sticky .. .and rejoice and remember that you were very lucky in your time, not having made 16 a republic within the USSR, a fiery hello .. thanks for the delicious juices and tomatoes in the 70s
    2. Okolotochny
      Okolotochny 13 July 2020 17: 13 New
      +1
      Do you take an example from the Americans? Do not kneel yet? Yes, yes, thieves were driven out and you will live perfectly. Like adults, but already maidanutye.
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  • 1536
    1536 11 July 2020 15: 06 New
    +5
    Whether the army is weak or strong in Bulgaria, but today it is a country that is part of NATO. Poorly we “guarded” them in due time, so they fled to our geopolitical opponents, as they say now. This upset the balance of power in the Black Sea. It was not in favor of Russia. It remains only to rely on the natural wisdom of the Bulgarians and on the friendship of Bulgaria and Russia, if a new aggression of the Western European countries against our country happened.
    1. mag nit
      mag nit 11 July 2020 16: 47 New
      -1
      And again, these "wise brothers" will fight against Russia.
      1. apro
        apro 11 July 2020 17: 15 New
        +1
        Quote: mag nit
        And again, these "wise brothers" will fight against Russia.

        But Russians do not fight against Russia - Russia did not experience more damage than Russian actions from foreign conquerors. ...
    2. marat2016
      marat2016 2 September 2020 20: 56 New
      +1
      We were "badly guarded" ourselves, everything else (including the departure of the allies) the consequences, and not the most sad ones.
  • apro
    apro 11 July 2020 15: 08 New
    +2
    Today it’s possible to talk about the weakness of the BNR army ... but it was part of the internal affairs department. And if anything. To accomplish a combat mission with the organization’s organization is much easier than on its own. Successfully threatened NATO on the southern flank. And the situation for the security of the Soviet bloc was proper level. and the direct threat to the USSR was at a disproportionate level than today for Russia ...
  • Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 11 July 2020 15: 14 New
    +7
    And in the literature, for some reason, the weakest ATS army is almost always called Hungarian.
    1. Alf
      Alf 11 July 2020 18: 11 New
      +3
      Quote: Sergej1972
      And in the literature, for some reason, the weakest ATS army is almost always called Hungarian.

      More often Romanian.
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 12 July 2020 17: 41 New
        0
        I have never met such a statement. By all criteria, the Romanian army was stronger than the Hungarian.
  • pytar
    pytar 11 July 2020 15: 25 New
    10
    The author, in his discourse, makes one fundamental mistake! It does not take into account the moral spirit, motivation of soldiers! If the Hungarians, Poles, Romanians, Czechs, the main ideological motivation to fight against NATO, should have been a communist ideology, then with the Bulgarians it was somewhat different! For us, the original enemies were the Turks and Greeks, especially the first! Communist ideology was of secondary importance; few among it would be among the ATS countries that they would fight to the death! But against the Turks and Greeks, the Bulgarian soldier would undoubtedly fight decisively! Together with or without allies from the ATS! The Bulgarian soldier did not beat the enemies for the first time! Hungry, poorly armed, tattered, but patriotically motivated, he took to the knife, forts and fortified lines of enemies! One such fact speaks best of the bravery of the Bulgarian army: In Bulgarian museums 67 foreign battle banners captured in battles are stored! In foreign museums there is not a single Bulgarian military banner captured in the battle!

    And the Bulgarian people's army was not so badly armed! She had everything necessary for a successful confrontation with the armies of Greece and Turkey, despite the superiority of the latter in manpower!

    The combat readiness of the Bulgarian National Army was recognized by our opponents then. In today's Russia, for political reasons, it is customary to present everything related to Bulgaria in a negative light. This article is not an exception.
    In 2018, despite all the reductions, the Bulgarian army, according to the Global Firepower rating, is on the 60th position among 133 countries of the world, on the 15th place in the EU and on the 4th place in the Balkans. Since 2019, a plan has been launched to rearm all branches of the armed forces.


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    3. Legionista
      Legionista 11 July 2020 16: 15 New
      +8
      Hello brother! Do not lose the lot for all the Rusnatsi. The Imam Dobar is a Bulgarian friend, with someone else serving in a foreign legion. Thank you, write and remember the Russian language. hi
      I believe that the only allies of the Russians against Turkey were and will be Bulgarians and Armenians. This is genetic memory.
      Ruski and Bulgarian brothers in Christ! Amine!
      1. pytar
        pytar 11 July 2020 17: 29 New
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        Hello brother! I never think badly about Russians! Despite the frantic attempts of the provocateurs, the Russians and Bulgarians are brothers! A common civilizational code, one cultural space, faith and writing!

        God pazi Rusia and Bulgaria! Amine!
        1. Legionista
          Legionista 11 July 2020 18: 03 New
          +2
          Taka beche, ta e, vinagi Amine! :: hi
      2. vladcub
        vladcub 11 July 2020 19: 55 New
        +4
        Legionista, purely out of harm: on the eve of the Russo-Turkish war, Montenegro was thoroughly pressured so that Montenegro did not support Russia, but their prince did not succumb. Emperor Alexander then wrote: "well done Prince Nikolai."
        In my opinion, among the inhabitants of the Balkans, apart from the Bulgarians, Serbs were and will "love" the Turks.
        1. svp67
          svp67 11 July 2020 19: 58 New
          +2
          Quote: vladcub
          In my opinion, among the inhabitants of the Balkans, apart from the Bulgarians, Serbs were and will "love" the Turks.

          But most of all the "love" for the Turks is among the Greeks ... these "love" them so much that they "cannot sleep"
          1. vladcub
            vladcub 11 July 2020 20: 32 New
            +5
            Probably, the Turks tried in good conscience that they were so "loved". Or maybe they are "white and fluffy"?
        2. Legionista
          Legionista 11 July 2020 22: 41 New
          +1
          Good evening! hi
          In my opinion, among the inhabitants of the Balkans, apart from the Bulgarians, Serbs were and will "love" the Turks.
          After the Civil War, Russian emigrants were not sweet. Perhaps only in Bulgaria and the Kingdom of Serbs and Croats there was a human attitude. But this is my deeply subjective opinion.
    4. vladcub
      vladcub 11 July 2020 20: 12 New
      +4
      Pytar, regarding the banners, the so-called "Samara banner" you have a national shrine. It is the only one with a military award. If the nuns of the Iversky monastery could know about it! They would be happy
      P.S. It is a pity that the banner of "Princess Raina" has not been preserved. I have a comrade Bulgarian and he told me about the Futekova and Samara banner
      1. pytar
        pytar 11 July 2020 23: 25 New
        +2
        Yes! You are right, Svyatoslav! hi
        The Samara banner has the status of a national shrine! The original is kept in the museum.

        It is the only Bulgarian flag awarded from the most revered military order "For Courage"!
        Unfortunately, the communist authorities on September 15, 1946 eliminated this insignia. On May 21, 2004, by decision of the Parliament, the ego is being restored. This image is carved on the hillsides near to the village of Aldomirovtsi.

        The banner of Princess Raina from 1876 probably burned down in the Haskovo konak on February 19, 1878, when the city was taken, from the building of Gen. Gurko.

        But! As they say with us, do not burn, then what does not burn! Reinforced Raina, after the Liberation in 1901 in Sofia, she sews it again, precisely repeating the original! This banner is in the museum!
    5. Bagatur
      Bagatur 13 July 2020 21: 50 New
      +1
      Including the number and three banners of the Russian army, captured in Dobrudja in 1916 ...
    6. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 21 July 2020 10: 51 New
      0
      Can you tell me who is to the left of Todor Zhivkov? If you do not know that the person number one in the NRB is Zhivkov, then one gets the feeling that he feels himself equal to Zhivkov.
      1. pytar
        pytar 21 July 2020 12: 02 New
        0
        Can you tell me who is to the left of Todor Zhivkov? If you do not know that the person number one in the NRB is Zhivkov, then one gets the feeling that he feels himself equal to Zhivkov.

        Are you a military man on the left you mean? The one?

        These are General Dobri Marinov Dzhurov, a prominent Bulgarian politician, member of the Politburo of the Central Committee at the BKP and Minister of Defense during the socialist period of Bulgaria. Member of the communist resistance movement during WWII, partisan and commander of the Chavdar Partisan Brigade.
        I personally encountered him during the exercises. Moreover, the situation was quite comic! lol We built trenches / shelters for the army headquarters, on one hill from which the exercises were directed. It was winter, and we worked all night. In the morning, everything was ready, everyone was terribly tired, and then I, a young soldier, decided to dodge and rest a little. And where? Soldiers and officers walk around everywhere ... and I lay down on the ground, under some inclined wooden planes, which they put on the walls of trenches and shelters. They were bent slightly downhill to the truck. Not to say that it is comfortable, but the body was closed. Toka's head stuck out behind the rear rubber of the breastplate. And so, I settled down and even took a nap, despite the frost. People used to go there, but no one noticed me. At one moment, someone stopped next to me. I opened my eyes and see some boots right on my head! Looked up - horror! Gene. Dzhurov and several senior officers stopped talking to each other! I pretended to be "non-existent"! At one point, Gen. Dzhurov looked down, his gaze fell on me, he looked up again and ... with a cry he jumped away! I can imagine how frightened he was when he saw some kind of incomprehensible human head at his feet! Everyone looked at me and their eyes became round! Then it became even funnier, although I was not at all fun then ... laughing
        By the way, later, already in hiding, Gen. Dzhurov threw oranges at me / they were for the officers /, as if take the soldiers, give them to friends. He joked with me like, called "private - head without a body"! bully
        1. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 21 July 2020 13: 11 New
          0
          Thanks for the comment! Very interesting. I read about his partisan youth. And somehow I knew less about my activities as a minister. I can imagine what you experienced in that situation.) But I was wrong. I meant to the left of Zhivkov, and in the photo and in the video he is, of course, to the right.) A large tall man in civilian clothes in the foreground (there is also in the background, he is closer to Zhivkov) .In principle, I wonder who both of Zhivkov's companions to his left. It just seemed that the one holding on to the handrail somehow demonstratively behaved in the video as a figure almost equal to Zhivkov. It seems that he and Zhivkov have a tense relationship. I just read that even at the moment of Zhivkov's greatest influence, there was no complete unity on all issues in the leadership of the BKP and the NRB.
          1. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 21 July 2020 13: 15 New
            0
            And now I thought, maybe this is some kind of Soviet guest?)
          2. pytar
            pytar 21 July 2020 15: 59 New
            -1
            The one left in front / yellow-1 / - Petar Tanchev Zhelev , Bulgarian politician, Secretary (Chairman) of the party of the Bulgarian Agricultural People's Union (BZNS) from 1974 -89. In Bulgaria there formally existed a two-party system - BKP and BZNS / kazionny /. BZNS positioned itself as the heir to the most massive and influential leftist party in Bulgaria until 46 - BZNS. The BKP, having taken power, after 46, repressed the members and sympathizers of this party, which also split up. But the communists could not completely ignore it, which is why they created a collaborationist version of it. Typo BKP represents workers, and BZNS represents farmers-villagers. This is an imitation of "socialist democracy". The BZNS was completely controlled by the BKP, although formally its leader was the second in the hierarchy of the state after Zhivkov. You joked about their relationship right!

            About the man behind / green-2 / this Grisha Filipov , born on July 13, 1919, Kadievka, Slavyanoserbsk district, Yekaterinoslav province, Ukrainian SSR - Bulgarian state. activist, member of the BKP, chairman of the Council of Ministers of the NRB in 1981-1986. All his life he spoke with an accent in Bulgarian. He was very close to Todor Zhivkov and was considered his most likely successor.

            Sergey, you are very observant! good
            1. pytar
              pytar 21 July 2020 16: 16 New
              -2
              popr. right on the photo !!!
            2. Sergej1972
              Sergej1972 21 July 2020 16: 47 New
              +1
              Thank you for your attention! Very interesting! And by the way, I have long been interested in the topic of relations between the ruling communist parties and their junior partners in Bulgaria, Poland, the German Democratic Republic, and Czechoslovakia. I read somewhere back in Soviet times that the head of the BZNS always participated in meetings of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the BKP. This was considered an indicator of a relationship of trust. I looked at Wikipedia, they write that Tanchev, and before him, his predecessor Traikov was the first deputy chairman of the State Council of Bulgaria. And Traikov was even chairman of the Presidium of the People's Assembly in 1964-1971, until the State Council was created headed by Zhivkov.
              In the neighboring Kursk region, in the city of Zheleznogorsk, there were many Bulgarians, they were in the 60-70s. participated in the CMEA in the construction of a mining and processing plant, the children of the builders studied in the Zheleznogorsk schools. And in the Dmitrovsky district of the Oryol region, old-timers still like to remember the trip of the Minister of the timber industry of Bulgaria in the early 70s. Apparently, in addition to the official part, officials from both the Soviet and Bulgarian sides had a very good rest.) Now I looked at Wikipedia, then Yanko Markov, by the way, a member of the BZNS, was the Minister of Forestry and Timber Industry.
  • Vladimir M
    Vladimir M 11 July 2020 15: 39 New
    +8
    The Germans were the most combat-ready, and the devotees, Poles themselves on their own mind, one can argue about their reliability. The rest is so-so, only for mass. Although the Bulgarians can be distinguished separately.
    1. pytar
      pytar 11 July 2020 15: 58 New
      +4
      The Germans were the most combat-ready, and the devotees, Poles themselves on their own mind, one can argue about their reliability.

      One can argue about all, as to joy, it was not tested in practice ...
      Although the Bulgarians can be distinguished separately.

      There is nothing to argue about, for the Bulgarians, during socialism, the ideological and ethnic enemies were the same.
  • alone
    alone 11 July 2020 16: 05 New
    +8
    It’s hard to say anything about the ATS armies. .After the 45th year, not one ATS army really did not participate in hostilities .. To argue who is strong and who is weak is very controversial. And for me, the most combat-ready from the socialist armies were Vietnam and Cuba.
    1. pytar
      pytar 11 July 2020 16: 13 New
      +4
      Probably it is. For me, national-ethnic motivation is much stronger than ideological in most cases, although there are exceptions.
      1. iouris
        iouris 11 July 2020 16: 26 New
        0
        Quote: pytar
        For me, national-ethnic motivation is much stronger

        Not yet evening. Orientation changes under the influence of the prevailing winds.
        1. pytar
          pytar 11 July 2020 17: 32 New
          +1
          Not yet evening.

          ... and the night has not come yet. But even after the darkest night, dawn comes ...
          1. iouris
            iouris 11 July 2020 18: 16 New
            +1
            You look too pessimistic about the historical process. Will we not live till morning?
            1. pytar
              pytar 11 July 2020 18: 46 New
              +2
              You look too pessimistic about the historical process.

              On the contrary! I am an optimist in life and always optimistic towards the future! drinks
              Will we not live till morning?

              We will live to see many more in the morning! good
              1. Maksim
                Maksim 12 July 2020 21: 28 New
                +1
                And not such Empires were buried wassat crying
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      3. Legionista
        Legionista 11 July 2020 16: 44 New
        +2
        For me, national-ethnic motivation is much stronger than ideological in most cases, although there are exceptions.

        Correctnoto. You are assigned to maychinoto blah and krvta to bashchat.
        1. pytar
          pytar 11 July 2020 18: 12 New
          +4
          You are assigned to maychinoto blah and krvta to bashchat.

          Right! hi There’s nothing to argue with! And yet, some managed to put you in the cons! We can only be surprised at the mental structure of these individuals! belay
          1. Legionista
            Legionista 11 July 2020 18: 51 New
            +3
            We can only be surprised at the mental structure of these individuals! belay
            Unfortunately, you are right! I am ashamed of these individuals.
            Foolishness and ignorance bolest, which is difficult and even cured
    2. sevtrash
      sevtrash 11 July 2020 17: 17 New
      +1
      Quote: lonely
      After the 45th year, not one ATS army really did not take part in hostilities .. To argue who is strong and who is weak is very debatable. And for me, the most combat-ready from the socialist armies were Vietnam and Cuba.

      In Daman, in Afghanistan, the Soviet soldiers were not cowards? Yes, the Vietnamese have been fighting for decades. And the Cubans, apparently, were fighting in America and Africa.
      1. alone
        alone 11 July 2020 18: 23 New
        +1
        Quote: sevtrash
        In Daman, in Afghanistan, the Soviet soldiers were not cowards?

        Speaking of ATS armies, I mean those armies that are listed in the article .. The article discusses not the Soviet Army, but the allied ATS armies. hi
        1. sevtrash
          sevtrash 11 July 2020 19: 34 New
          +1
          Quote: lonely
          Speaking of ATS armies, I mean those armies that are listed in the article .. The article discusses not the Soviet Army, but the allied ATS armies.

          Your phrase sounded "... not one ATS army really did not participate in the hostilities ...", which, of course, also implies the Soviet army. The same applies to "... socialist armies ...". But Vietnam and Cuba did not enter the ATS.
          In general, it is hardly possible to exclude the Soviet army from the best. Or at least cool. hi
          1. alone
            alone 11 July 2020 21: 03 New
            +2
            Quote: sevtrash
            But Vietnam and Cuba did not enter the ATS.

            And therefore, he wrote socialist. I know that they were not part of the police department
  • iouris
    iouris 11 July 2020 16: 24 New
    +8
    The weakest link was the USSR and its armed forces. Or the most "democratic"?
    1. Legionista
      Legionista 11 July 2020 16: 36 New
      +2
      I agree categorically! Unfortunately, we “showered first”. And the Americans began to "lick" normally. Remember Yeltsin's indefatigable desire to send a contingent to Iraq as part of Operation Desert Shield and Desert Storm.
      1. iouris
        iouris 11 July 2020 18: 13 New
        +3
        We all understand that the “idol of communism” was overthrown, the USSR and the Department of Internal Affairs dismissed “our people”, parades on Red Square are held under understandable symbols. And what kind of people and for whom are they publishing this propaganda article?
        1. Maksim
          Maksim 12 July 2020 21: 17 New
          +1
          So at the parade the mausoleum is always behind the plywood - what a victory parade right now. One shame and shame.
    2. Yuri Sedov
      Yuri Sedov 14 July 2020 21: 05 New
      0
      The whole problem is money, when the USSR gave the go-ahead to the United States to turn $ into a commodity. Very quickly, this product was distributed around the globe (according to the principle of adjutant of the ataman Tavrichesky-Popandopolo, who offered the priest “cherenka” for the priest’s cross, saying: “Take everything, I'll draw it for myself”). Human corruption, greed is a problem of people.
  • sevtrash
    sevtrash 11 July 2020 17: 10 New
    +2
    I once read about Tu154, an airplane that required a high level of service. The Soviet Union supplied them to the Warsaw Pact countries. The GDR demonstrated the best level of support for their operation, then Czechoslovakia kind of. So in the Warsaw Pact, the GDR was more likely to come first. Of course, the USSR had the most powerful army in quantitative terms, this is undeniable. But, I think, in high-quality, training, the Germans at least did not concede. Although, for sure, somewhere there are analysis results, opinions of the then Soviet military commanders. You can roughly imagine, of course.
    By the way, the Hungarians fought quite stubbornly in World War II, as if they were not the last to fall away from Germany.
    1. vladcub
      vladcub 11 July 2020 19: 41 New
      +1
      It was such a thing
    2. Andrey VOV
      Andrey VOV 11 July 2020 23: 35 New
      +1
      fell away last because at 45 they finished them off ... yes and the Germans held on tightly to oil .. and so actually a large part of the fighting forces out ... not far from me, laid near Voronezh ... because apparently in the days of the USSR Voronezh did not become a city a hero
  • xomaNN
    xomaNN 11 July 2020 17: 26 New
    +9
    As a shipbuilder, I am also interested in the fleets of the countries where I am. He has been to Bulgaria more than once. In the same Sozopol was the base of the Bulgarian Navy. RK 205 of the project itself was seen there in 96 already a year. The year before last, in Varna, in the Maritime Museum, I saw our Soviet boats and native sea mines. So the fleet was small, but proud in Bulgaria (as part of the ATS).


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    2. vladcub
      vladcub 11 July 2020 19: 39 New
      +5
      By the way, the Bulgarian fleet was created by the Russians and the Bulgarians always remember this
    3. Maksim
      Maksim 12 July 2020 21: 15 New
      +1
      I read somewhere on the ru-forums about the plans for the action of the Bulgarian fleet and its participation in crossing the Straits. Even the circuit maps were. Although after Istanbul and Izmit turned into a desert after processing special ammunition, the straits could be stormed on mattresses. In fact, the author wrote a very, very weak article.
  • IL-64
    IL-64 11 July 2020 18: 04 New
    10
    Again, from scratch, they managed to arrange srach.
    Controversial article, criteria for weakness of BNA are not clear
  • Dmitry Nikolaevich Fedunov
    Dmitry Nikolaevich Fedunov 11 July 2020 18: 30 New
    10
    Quote: doubovitski
    No offhand. Bulgaria has always fought against Russia or against its allies. Starting from the First Balkan War, and ending with the Second World War.

    If only in WWII, there is no WWII (the uniqueness of this case is the opposite of the situation with Suomi: the Finns fought with the USSR, but not against the “allies”, while the Bulgarians, on the contrary, did not fight with the Russians, but fought with the “allies” - destroying Anglo-Saxon terrorists from air gangs that bombed women and children in cities).
    Yes, and for WWII: the blame for this is entirely on the authorities of the Republic of Ingushetia, who simply threw (and not for the first time) the Bulgarians as an “arbiter” of the results of the First Balkan War: transferring almost all of Macedonia with the predominantly Bulgarian population of Greece and Serbia; letting the Romanian jackals get the Bulgarian Southern Dobrudja.
    1. Legionista
      Legionista 11 July 2020 19: 03 New
      +8
      I agree with you categorically! And even when considering the WWII, it must be remembered that this was preceded by the Serbo-Bulgarian War of 1885, then the First and Second (Inter-Allied War) Balkan Wars. The role of Serbia is very ambiguous.
    2. pytar
      pytar 11 July 2020 19: 09 New
      +4
      transferring almost all of Macedonia with the predominantly Bulgarian population of Greece and Serbia; letting the Romanian jackals get the Bulgarian Southern Dobrudja.

      You, dear Dmitry, say everything correctly! hi
      My own grandfather from Bitola / Macedonia /. He fought in WWI along with his brothers there. 2 died, and he and some of his relatives crossed in Bulgaria. And mine on my mother’s side, from the region of Silistra / U. Dobruji /. They lived for some time under the Romanian occupation and it was a nightmare. During the liberation of the city of the Bulgarian army, before they retire, the Romanians gathered all the intelligentsia - teachers, priests, architects and so on. and stabbed them in the courtyard of the mayor’s. More than 250 people. Great-grandfather / teacher was / lucky, he managed to hide. When the Bulgarian army entered and saw this picture, they drove the Romanian army uncontrollably throughout Dobrudja, and even to Bucharest! Today, one third of the population of Bulgaria are descendants of refugees from Macedonia, Thrace, Western Krajina / this is in Serbia / and Dobrudja. hi
      1. vladcub
        vladcub 11 July 2020 19: 36 New
        +4
        Comrade Pytar, actually the Balkans, no offense, even that viper. Everything is so confused there that the devil will figure out where the original lands of the Bulgarians are, and where are the same Serbs or Romania.
        In each historical segment, either Bulgarians, then Serbs, or Romanians prevailed
        1. pytar
          pytar 11 July 2020 22: 07 New
          +6
          The Balkans, no offense, even that viper.

          The viper was made by the so-called "great forces", putting state borders in their own selfish interests, and not across ethnic borders. Ordinary people, it doesn’t matter whether they are Greeks, Serbs, Bulgarians or Romanians, had no desire to take away a neighbor’s house!
          Everything is so confused there that the devil will figure out where the original lands of the Bulgarians are, and where are the same Serbs or Romania.

          If we look at the ethnic picture, everything is clear there. Ethnic groups have not changed their territories for thousands of years. So you mentioned Romania! I will tell you this fact: Never in history, until 1878, Romania owned the territory south of the Danube. The Danube served as a natural border between the Bulgarian and Wallachian / Romanian / people. There were no mutual complaints! RI, gave Sev. Welcome the Romanians in 1878, although they did not want this original Bulgarian land. For information, Dobrudja, this is the first piece of Bulgarian land in the Balkans where Bulgaria began in 681. Later, in 1913, Romania, crawling through the difficult situation of Bulgaria during the 2BV, also occupied South Dobrudja. This was the first war between the Bulgarians and Romanians in history! Never before had they fought among themselves, even though they had been neighbors for thousands of years! The rarest case in history, right? About Macedonia, I will not even discuss it, I have already spoken on this occasion.
          In each historical segment, either Bulgarians, then Serbs, or Romanians prevailed

          These "controversial" territories fell within the borders of one state, one state of another, and the local population remained there without any significant changes, until 1913-1918. It was more than 50% Bulgarian. If the borders between these states were set along ethnic lines, there would never be any wars!
          1. iouris
            iouris 12 July 2020 14: 05 New
            +1
            Quote: pytar
            The viper was made by the so-called "great forces", putting state borders in their own selfish interests, and not across ethnic borders.

            Our business is the veal, where they put it, there and send the natural needs.
            Why Stalin and Churchill agreed so precisely, at that very moment, it is clear: by force and proceeding from military-strategic or operational-tactical tasks. Romania not only withdrew from the war, but the Romanian type army fought on the side of the anti-Hitler coalition. Stalin even presented the Order of Victory to the king. There were probably reasons. Politics is the art of the possible, and not the art of seeking justice.
  • vladcub
    vladcub 11 July 2020 19: 23 New
    +3
    Quote: pytar
    Romanians and Bulgarians do not even know how best: when they fight for you or when against .....

    Everyone fights much better when they fight for themselves, in defense of their homeland. hi

    You don’t really mind
  • Vincenzo
    Vincenzo 11 July 2020 19: 57 New
    +5
    The author, in addition to being a complete, but also an absolute provocateur !!! Let the author of this miserable article look at himself in the mirror to see the difference between a real man and only a person from a male !!! The author, of course, was never real man !!!
  • vladcub
    vladcub 11 July 2020 20: 25 New
    +6
    Quote: doubovitski
    No offhand. Bulgaria has always fought against Russia or against its allies. Starting from the First Balkan War, and ending with the Second World War.

    Regarding WWII, you are not quite right: the Bulgarian army did not fight on the eastern front.
    When "hands were twisted" to Tsar Boris in Berlin to send troops, Boris said: "in the best case, the soldiers will not obey orders and will flee to their homes." It seems Hitler didn’t forgive him for him and ... Boris’s death is a dark story
    1. Unknown
      Unknown 11 July 2020 21: 09 New
      +3
      well, some units were on the eastern front, small, but there was the same ambulance train, and there seemed to be one air force squadron. this is certainly a minuscule, compared with the Romanians, Hungarians and the same Croats. in general, the Soviet leadership, according to the results of the battles under the Lake Balaton, noted a higher combat efficiency of the Bulgarian army than. noah. Bulgarians held their positions, but the Yugoslavs did not.
      1. pytar
        pytar 11 July 2020 23: 43 New
        +6
        well, some units were on the eastern front, small, but there was the same ambulance train, and there seemed to be one air force squadron.

        Respected hi This is from the category of semi-fake-full fake!
        T.N. an ambulance train, with 27 medical personnel and several security guards, was sent under the auspices of the International Red Cross! Switzerland for example sent 4! These trains had exterior status, only neutral countries could send them! They had the right to cross the front lines, but Stalin did not let them in the territory occupied by the Red Army. Despite this, the Soviet soldiers captured by the Germans were treated in the Bulgarian ambulance train. hi
        As for "Bulgarian air forces fought near Stalingrad and shot down 200 Soviet planes", this is a fake invented by the former director of the panorama museum "Battle of Stalingrad" Boris Usik. Ego hardening is based on the surviving German propaganda military field magazines of the time, where a lot of things were written that did not happen in real life. Goebels tried to raise the spirit of German soldiers and composed different tales for them! The mystery remains - Usyk himself decided to show off, or someone prompted him !? lol Surprisingly, this short-sighted little man appeared on Ross. TV channels carrying this nonsense with the proud look of a "discoverer"! negative
      2. Maksim
        Maksim 12 July 2020 09: 31 New
        +4
        Quote: Unknown
        like one air force squadron

        Whether it was or not. In Bulgaria, aircraft were counted on the fingers. But can you tell us about it - the staff, weapons, where you fought, whom you shot down, which of the Bulgarians were awarded?
        So the hand reaches out to write about the inclusion of govnomet.
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        2. Unknown
          Unknown 12 July 2020 15: 47 New
          +6
          this photo misled me, and the brave pilots awarded with German crosses, under the photo there was an inscription that fought on the side of the Wehrmacht, but then I figured out the comments that they had shot down the Americans. I apologize for misleading.
          1. Maksim
            Maksim 12 July 2020 21: 08 New
            +3
            Yes, they are the defenders of Sofia during WWII. I recommend reading the book “We Defended You, Sofia” by Stoyan Stoyanova.
            As for medals - some of the Bulgarians had Soviet orders and medals. And the gene. Stoichev generally marched in the line of commanders of the 3rd Ukrainian Front at the Victory Parade. Which side then Bulgaria fought laughing
            By the way - catch the plus for the cultural and most important - an open mind towards that period.
            1. Lionnvrsk
              Lionnvrsk 13 July 2020 23: 07 New
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              Do you know something about these pilots?
              1. Maksim
                Maksim 14 July 2020 13: 50 New
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                Of course I know the 692nd squadron. It was based at the airport in Balchik and protected the Bulgarian thervods and shipping in them from attacks by Soviet submarines. AND?
    2. Nikola Aslanov
      Nikola Aslanov 20 July 2020 12: 29 New
      +1
      They say Tsar Boris said more precisely: "If I send the Bulgarian army to the Eastern Front, it will go over to the Russians along with the brass music!"
  • stoqn477
    stoqn477 11 July 2020 22: 16 New
    +5
    Quote: doubovitski
    No offhand. Bulgaria has always fought against Russia or against its allies. Starting from the First Balkan War, and ending with the Second World War.

    When did the Russian Empire fight in the First Balkan War and against whom? History does not know this.
    1. Maksim
      Maksim 12 July 2020 09: 28 New
      +5
      And I'm talking about - ignoramus around, hurt yourself!
  • stoqn477
    stoqn477 11 July 2020 22: 27 New
    +3
    Quote: Unknown
    well, some units were on the eastern front, small, but there was the same ambulance train, and there seemed to be one air force squadron. this is of course minuscule,

    Bulgarian combat units in the USSR were not sent to WWII.
    1. Maksim
      Maksim 12 July 2020 14: 43 New
      +2
      What about the N-th armored army of underwater parachutists. She certainly was.
  • zyablik.olga
    zyablik.olga 12 July 2020 05: 39 New
    +3
    Very weak article negative In some places, the author does not understand what he writes about:
    But Bulgaria had a pretty combat-ready air defense, which included 26 S-200 divisions, 10 S-300 mobile units, 20 SA-75 Volkhov and Sa-75 Dvina,
    : no
    1. marat2016
      marat2016 2 September 2020 21: 02 New
      +1
      In 1984 Bulgaria received 2 (two) DN S-200VE (12 PU). In 1989 1 (one) SAM S-300PMU.
      1. zyablik.olga
        zyablik.olga 3 September 2020 11: 25 New
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        Quote: marat2016
        In 1984 Bulgaria received 2 (two) DN S-200VE (12 PU). In 1989 1 (one) SAM S-300PMU.

        But you must admit, this is not
        26 S-200 divisions, 10 S-300 mobile units
        .
  • Maksim
    Maksim 12 July 2020 08: 55 New
    +5
    Another nonsense. To begin with, the current classification of strong and weak armies is nothing more than wet fantasies.
    Saudi Arabia, with its strongest army, is fencing off people in skirts and note that in Yemen there is no guerrilla war as in Afghanistan.
    As for Bulgaria, the numbers are few and the topic of boobs (crossed out) is again unresolved. And the antics of all kinds of clowns like Zaurbek demonstrate a general lack of basic knowledge of World History.
    The author had to rummage deeper and cover, for example, topics such as the question of the use of the Syan Bulgarian Army. Why were there nuclear weapons storage depots in the band of three armies of the SUA and how it was supposed to be delivered.
    Was the SUA a corps of the United Southern Front of the Department of Internal Affairs and how was it supposed to be fighting in the first week of the war?
    And so - an article on the levels of Murzylka. Information content is zero, but shkolota was aroused.
    The degradation of the quality of the content on the site is already visible to the naked eye from the moon.
  • Maksim
    Maksim 12 July 2020 09: 27 New
    +3
    Quote: Zaurbek
    And the little brothers protect their homeland in Russia.

    Yah? Maybe we’re writing from the Kremlin, no?
  • aleks neym_2
    aleks neym_2 12 July 2020 13: 17 New
    -5
    That "bros", that "dacians" - of one blood -Pro ... with ...
    1. Maksim
      Maksim 12 July 2020 14: 37 New
      +3
      Yeah, sadness included? Around all the traitors, enemies and .... the dead with braids are standing.
  • Andrey Krasnoyarsky
    Andrey Krasnoyarsky 13 July 2020 12: 14 New
    0
    What is the difference now, whose ally was Bulgaria in the First and Second World Wars and in the Warsaw Treaty bloc? The main thing is that it is now in NATO, and therefore on the side of the enemies of Russia. And the Bulgarian army is now hostile to us, regardless of what we think of it, or what the Bulgarians think of it.
    1. Bagatur
      Bagatur 13 July 2020 21: 57 New
      +2
      And who dismissed the VD and SIV? Russia merged its allies, surrendered Eastern Europe .... Then shout from Moscow to Vladivostok ... They sold us))) No! Allies betrayed their ...
      1. Andrey Krasnoyarsky
        Andrey Krasnoyarsky 14 July 2020 11: 29 New
        -2
        Well, yes, the master let the peasants free, but the peasants immediately rushed to the other master.
        1. Bagatur
          Bagatur 14 July 2020 11: 54 New
          +2
          Could be so! But we must remember that no one wanted the lord and tyranny which he brought.
          1. Lionnvrsk
            Lionnvrsk 14 July 2020 12: 27 New
            0
            Quote: bagatura
            no one wanted the lord and tyranny which he brought.

            This is why the poor have so overwhelmed you? "Soviet-Bulgarian friendship"? request
            And on the topic - I remember the Bulgarian army in its form. And not with the guardsmen’s uniform at the mausoleum, but with the usual soldier’s uniform, baggy and weird brown.

            1. Bagatur
              Bagatur 14 July 2020 13: 17 New
              +2
              I didn’t want to offend! But, the fact that Sovietization Eastern Europe is at the core of Russia's relations with these countries. Ah, the winter form was so bad 30 years ago. They called her "vyskarnik", dumas understood ???)))
              1. Lionnvrsk
                Lionnvrsk 14 July 2020 14: 05 New
                +2
                Quote: bagatura
                dumam understood ??

                Naturally!
                The trainer was clothed, the nai-noviyat model had a uniform, mountain and dolphins with beautiful hats blooming, as is known in the modnite among the Vashkarnik kato. That, it’s Tazi clothes from the hanging fashion, having made an incredible start and every single one, wash my weakness Togava, rookies in love and give them onazi tenderness and beauty, they always want to be younger. laughing
          2. Andrey Krasnoyarsky
            Andrey Krasnoyarsky 14 July 2020 13: 41 New
            -2
            For 30 years now there has been no socialism system, no Warsaw Treaty, no Council for Mutual Economic Assistance, and the Bulgarians and all other Eastern Europeans are all offended by Russia, either because there was "tyranny", or because there is more "tyranny" not.
            1. Maksim
              Maksim 14 July 2020 14: 05 New
              +1
              Accurately offended? As now, Russians (and not Rusozombies) are offended. Do you think that we don’t communicate directly with the Russians and still believe in Santa Claus?
              1. Lionnvrsk
                Lionnvrsk 14 July 2020 14: 28 New
                -2
                Quote: Mac Sim
                and still believe in Santa Claus?

                Probably sega värvata itself in Santa Claus! Nali? lol
                1. Maksim
                  Maksim 14 July 2020 16: 20 New
                  +1
                  Oh, Chuck Puck Santa Claus. All of us are krie under the head of the picture on Malchish-Kibalchish. And in the sandak from the balalaika, we’ll pause and still have one picture on Stalin / Lenin, and so on.
                  1. Lionnvrsk
                    Lionnvrsk 14 July 2020 17: 02 New
                    -1
                    I believe. I believe it has already been so! And you keep the pictures in the chest so that when the evil Russians come, take them out and sing under the balalaika again: "Brothers. Good come!" ?? lol


                    1. Maksim
                      Maksim 14 July 2020 17: 17 New
                      +1
                      You bit me, I give up. When you come to recognize me, I will be in earflaps, with a balalaika and a bear. He will hold in his mouth a portrait of Stalin, and I will skirt on the “Village High” balalaika.
            2. Bagatur
              Bagatur 14 July 2020 14: 30 New
              +1
              For the fact that Russia considers itself white and fluffy, and the weight of the world for which it owes her anything!
              1. Andrey Krasnoyarsky
                Andrey Krasnoyarsky 15 July 2020 12: 09 New
                0
                Russia is not white and fluffy, but tough and prickly. Therefore, it is better not to touch the paws.
                1. Bagatur
                  Bagatur 15 July 2020 14: 45 New
                  +2
                  Yeah ... And who's touching you? My
                  1. Andrey Krasnoyarsky
                    Andrey Krasnoyarsky 15 July 2020 16: 13 New
                    0
                    Not you yet. But in 2008, one genatsvale decided to touch. Then he ate a tie .....
                    1. Bagatur
                      Bagatur 15 July 2020 16: 30 New
                      +2
                      It’s strange how Russia attacked such superpowers as Georgia and Ukraine.
                      1. Andrey Krasnoyarsky
                        Andrey Krasnoyarsky 16 July 2020 12: 46 New
                        -1
                        Ukraine does not attack Russia, it fights with its own citizens. And with Georgia, everything is simple - their then leader hoped that Russia would silently carry out the killing of its soldiers, and the "progressive public" would support Georgia against Russia. Well, in which case the mighty Bulgarian army will come to the aid of the Georgians and chase the Russians all the way to the Urals. Only it turned out not quite like that, or rather not at all. "The public" was indignant for the order, but did not want to fight for the genacale. The mighty Bulgarian army was busy picking tomatoes and bell peppers, so it was not up to Georgia. Well it was August, just the crop ripened. However, Russia was not going to (and is not going to) annex Georgia to itself, so the Russian army simply dispersed the Georgian army and returned to its places of deployment.
                      2. Bagatur
                        Bagatur 16 July 2020 14: 00 New
                        0
                        The mighty Bulgarian army was busy picking tomatoes and bell peppers, so it was not up to Georgia. The Bulgarian army has nothing to do with harvesting! We have collective farmers - there is no slave, farmers know their business! And the Bulgarian army in 1916 in Dobrudja showed how guests must be met with no refusal!
                      3. Andrey Krasnoyarsky
                        Andrey Krasnoyarsky 17 July 2020 16: 34 New
                        -1
                        Okay, convinced. The mighty Bulgarian army does not collect tomatoes and peppers, it protects them. So that the evil Russian aggressors do not gobble up the whole harvest, which was collected by Bulgarian farmers.
                      4. Bagatur
                        Bagatur 17 July 2020 22: 03 New
                        0
                        The irony is inappropriate! But you, like the Russian elite, have an opinion. Bulgaria should be by the province of Russia or not by the way!
                      5. Andrey Krasnoyarsky
                        Andrey Krasnoyarsky 18 July 2020 12: 58 New
                        -1
                        This opinion can only be found in the inhabitants of a psychiatric clinic. Neither the elite, nor the people in general, nor personally I dream of including Bulgaria (or any other country) in the Russian Federation or completely destroying it. There is no need to attribute to us your fears, inspired by the anti-Russian media.
                      6. Bagatur
                        Bagatur 18 July 2020 16: 07 New
                        0
                        I mean the complete subordination of Bulgaria to the interest of Russia! This and it was 1944-1989! By the way, and now we have quite a few petro-columns, and not only Russia.
  • Yuri Sedov
    Yuri Sedov 14 July 2020 19: 57 New
    0
    Somehow generalized you read it
  • Yuri Sedov
    Yuri Sedov 14 July 2020 19: 50 New
    -1
    This is how much money the USSR spent on the creation and maintenance of these ATS armies? I believe that today’s Russia will not allow similar Russia to travel.
    1. pytar
      pytar 15 July 2020 10: 40 New
      +2
      This is how much money the USSR spent on the creation and maintenance of these ATS armies?

      Do you seriously think that the USSR supplied weapons to ATS countries for free? For your information, the MiG-29 cost Bulgaria currency conversion as the current F-16 bl70. During socialism, we spent 12-15% of GDP for military purposes, now only 2-3%! But did it ever occur to you that the countries of Vost.
      I believe that today’s Russia will not allow similar Russia to travel.

      He will not allow it, but the content of the oligarchy is much more expensive ...
      1. marat2016
        marat2016 2 September 2020 21: 08 New
        0
        Do you have the text of the contract for the MiG-29? Poland in 1990 received its MiG-29s for less than $ 1 million per plane. I don't think that the picture with Bulgaria was fundamentally different ...
        1. pytar
          pytar 2 September 2020 23: 06 New
          0
          Do you have the text of the contract for the MiG-29? Poland in 1990 received its MiG-29s for less than $ 1 million per plane.

          No, do you have the text of the contract with Poland?
          So, I here on VO commented on this topic several times. In one of the comments I laid out in detail the exact data on prices, conditions, exchange rates, conversions, etc. with a link to the office. from sources. The fact is that in our country this issue has been discussed more than once in the public space and most of the information has long been known. I have more than 4 thousand on VO. comments, unfortunately it's hard for me to find exactly this one without spending a lot of time. From memory - for each of these MiGs we paid 11-12 million transferable rubles! The difference is 1-1,5 million p.p. was in the prices of a sparkle and a single variant. For comparison, Lada 2001 then cost ~ 1200-1300 transferable rubles. 1 p. Ruble = 1,30 Bulgarian. leva = $ 1,07 at the then official rate. When recalculated at current prices, proceeding from the set prices for similar goods / note Lada Granta / the price of the then MiG-29 turns out to be very close to the price of the F-16 bl70 in reality.
          By the way, the Bulgarian Ministry of Defense publishes information about all contracts, their cost, timing and others. It is obliged to provide information under the Law for DPI. There are two examples to which the mediapool.bg information agency requested and received information from the Ministry of Defense about contracts for the repair of the MiG-29:
          https://www.mediapool.bg/kolko-ni-struvat-mig-29-news308138.html
          https://www.mediapool.bg/bulgaria-plashta-stotitsi-milioni-za-mig-ovete-sas-sporen-efekt-news303887.html
  • Shegor vechem
    Shegor vechem 15 July 2020 14: 09 New
    +2
    For greater science, the author of the article could compare the BNA (Bulgarian People’s Army) with the space fleet of Ashtar Sheran ...
    1. Maksim
      Maksim 15 July 2020 15: 48 New
      +1
      And the Astartes space marines corps.
  • Maksim
    Maksim 15 July 2020 15: 46 New
    +2
    Quote: Alexey RA
    Quote: Legionista
    The Bulgarians never directly took part in the road against Russia either in the First World War or in the Great Patriotic War.

    In World War I, on the Thessaloniki Front, the Russian special infantry brigades fought just against the Bulgarian army.

    And also the Zayokonchovsky Corps, aimed at helping the Romanians, and also the shelling and bombing of Varna and Evksinograd, the Black Sea Fleet, and the Romanian Front of the Russian Army, which included the command, the Danube Army, the 6th Army from Petrograd, the 4th Army from the Western Front and The 9th Army from the Southwestern Front, as well as the remains of the Romanian troops.
    Not a lot.
  • ROMAN VYSOTSKY
    ROMAN VYSOTSKY 15 July 2020 23: 19 New
    0
    Your untruth! In 1915 or 1916 the Bulgarian army very competently laid the Russian 47 (I could be mistaken) corps on the territory of southern Romania. The rout was complete. The corps fought on the Romanian front. Moltke was right.
    1. Maksim
      Maksim 16 July 2020 16: 37 New
      0
      In fact, Moltke, like all the Prussians, was arrogant. And the Bulgarian army has never been too affectionate. Of course I wrote what a great job when we kicked the Serbs and Romanians. And when I had to leave Kavala, after the shelling of the British (the “QE” worked and its 381 mm shells were worse than any howitzers, Moltke wrote that - all the Bulgarians lost their courage. It’s not clear where the Fritz’s courage draped after Marna.
  • Pamir
    Pamir 15 July 2020 23: 36 New
    +2
    Everyone attacked everyone. Of course, it’s better not to touch the monuments, it was not our generation who put it, we shouldn’t touch them, and the future generation too. I respect the imperial communist past of the union. This is history, I need to respect it. And so, I I haven’t heard something and don’t understand what today's Bulgarians and Romanians have become the cornerstone in the Russian Federation? Is there an economic relationship? Is there anyone who has refused any projects, it's a private matter. We trade with the Germans? We trade. The Russians are Germans on every corner No, we try not to press on the sick mazol, it’s somehow calmer both for us and them. Moreover, we buy German goods, we know it qualitatively, we don’t have much of ours either. By the way, the Germans felt for a long time everything, they don’t want to militarize anymore. and the Bulgarians and Romanians suddenly became almost the culprits of world wars, but in fact it seems more like hostages of other people's ambitions and interests, and the interests of much more powerful countries. Romanians fought against the USSR, so we had enough of our own scumbags in WWII , without a small number with a whole ru the Myn army along with the Bulgarian one. I don’t accept those who speak of the Soviet occupation, with the destruction of monuments, this is too much. Nazism and fascism and communism are two different poles, they are not identical. The Nuremberg court introduced this into the axiom, recognizing Nazism as a criminal political force, unlike communism. I mean the Bulgarians, the Romanians are absolutely calm despite the misconceptions of their governments. They will be in trouble on my side, as I can help. And I count on them for an alliance in defense Russia itself is the most reliable ally. Their defense is their own business. In fact, they don’t gravitate to any alliances at all, except for economic ones. If we consider them in NATO, they’re there like in the stalls, they don’t dare to say words on their own. They dragged them there through economical subsidies. Anglo-Saxons know the weaknesses of small countries. The peoples of Eastern Europe only need to know, do not run ahead of the anti-Russian steam locomotive, or go in its echelon, maybe very sad av the enture is completed. As one Field Marshal of the Reich said, “With Russia you always know how to start a war, you don’t only know when and where Russia will finish it.” Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye said, the German was not stupid. And the proverb is, “Russians harness for a long time, but drive too fast.” That's always worth remembering about these things. There are too many questions for the CSTO. And the alliance, as for me, is completely up to the point, I believe in my defense .. And sick mazoles do not need to be rubbed with each other. Who, when, against whom, is the history of past eras, for a smart lesson, for those who are not very smart, well, let them rage. Madness has never brought anyone to good. Better the world, even if bad, than a good war, better vodka, brandy, plum brandy, schnapps, beer, than washing your face with blood. All the world, good and good alcohol, for a good mood.
    1. Maksim
      Maksim 16 July 2020 16: 31 New
      0
      Sensibly !!! drinks
  • Plastmaster
    Plastmaster 16 July 2020 23: 19 New
    0
    Quote: Keyser Soze
    The author, yes, at least one figure and comparison and historical view would have done. The disgrace of journalism .... too lazy to argue with similar individuals. And there’s no time - you’ll make a line here and at that time we are protesting in the square, we are fighting with the police in order to remove our oligarchy, the Government and all the thieves in power. By the way, the Serbs attack their Parliament for the third day. The Greeks threw Molotov cocktails in Athens Parliament. Sofia, Varna, Plovdiv for the third day fighting the oligarchy in the streets.

    But they don’t tell you anything, because everything is perfect for you.

    Good luck to you with the newly reset king and the Sechins.

    Sorry, sorry. And they are bugging because of us? If so, then you can throw up information. If, for example, because of my health, then how much do I worry
  • Plastmaster
    Plastmaster 16 July 2020 23: 29 New
    0
    Well, it seems very successfully talked. Who had to pack, he pack. Nevertheless, I have comrades in Bulgaria and in Poland and in Serbia. Torment dirty tricks.
  • komuso
    komuso 29 July 2020 11: 36 New
    0
    I don’t know where the author’s info came from, but it’s a lot of inaccuracies. Let's start with the tanks, at the end of the 80s the BNA was armed with over 3500 tanks-1200 T-34 / 85,900 T-54,1000 T-55,300 T-62,330 T- 72. For each TP, TB, TBR there was also a second tank board in case of mobilization of 1 and 2 reserve waves. And these vehicles were kept in excellent condition. In 1990-1992, when he served in 24 TBR (Aytos), the main tank composition was T-72, and the spare is from the T-55AM2.
    We have never had 26 S-200 "Vega" divisions, only 2 divisions, and most recently they were on the parade in 2018. C-125s were somewhere in the 20-22 divisions.
    As for the Esminians, there was really only one - "Georgi Dimitrov" pr.30K, which was laid down before the war and completed in 1948, transferred to Bulgaria in 1950, served until 1958, then until 1961 performed the functions of the Criminal Code at the VVMU. The second (more precisely, the first) EM-built Yesho in 1916, who beat Corfu / Zheleznyakov was never officially adopted as part of the Bulgarian Navy, transferred to Bulgaria in 1947, returned to the USSR in 1949. Used to train the future crew of the EM "G. Dimitrov".
  • Old warrior
    Old warrior 10 August 2020 19: 01 New
    0
    I think that there is even no point in commenting: all our "friends" have betrayed us. Well, we, in turn, betrayed the GDR. For deeds and retribution.
  • Sergey Gintner
    Sergey Gintner 25 September 2020 19: 05 New
    0
    Well, what's the point in knowing that at all? And then it was not needed by anyone, but now it is in general ..