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New machine gun based on RPK-16. Is it good to make good?

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RPK-16 with a drum magazine


In 2017, the Kalashnikov concern introduced the promising RPK-16 light machine gun. In the future, this weapon passed tests, and the organization-developer was preparing mass production; there were statements of imminent adoption. However, it has now become known that the design of the RPK-16 will have to be seriously redesigned - in fact, with the creation of a completely new model.

Tests and their results


As previously reported, in 2018, the RPK-16 machine gun passed factory tests and refinement, after which it was offered to the Ministry of Defense. In 2018-19. a batch of such weapons went to the army to undergo military tests. Inspections were to be carried out in different conditions of all major climatic zones. Long before the completion of the checks, Kalashnikov began to talk about the readiness of launching the series, and at the Ministry of Defense - about the imminent adoption of the product into service.

2 July RIA News, referring to its source in the defense industry, revealed the current state of affairs around RPK-16. It is alleged that the machine gun underwent experimental military operation, as a result of which the Ministry of Defense put forward a number of comments and suggestions. They need to be taken into account during further refinement of the design.

The test results and customer comments were taken into account and summarized. An improved version of the existing RPK-16 will now be created. Moreover, as the source of RIA Novosti, the design of the machine gun does not allow to fulfill all the wishes of the military. Because of this, a serious alteration is required, and in fact it is a question of creating a new model on the basis of the existing one. Machine gun processing work begins this year.

Basic sample


A new machine gun for our army will be created on the basis of the existing RPK-16. This machine gun was first shown in 2017 and since then it has gained quite wide popularity. RPK-16 attracted attention due to the presence of a number of interesting features that set it apart from other domestic “handbrakes”. It was expected that the introduction of such a product into service would positively affect the potential of rifle units.


RPK-16 in the initial version is a weapon of "automatic" layout and ergonomics. The design is reinforced taking into account the main fire conditions. Automation is based on a gas engine with a long piston stroke, traditional for M.T. Kalashnikov. The weapon uses a 5,45x39 mm low-pulse cartridge with delivery from detachable magazines. Rate of fire - 700 rds / min. The trigger mechanism allows you to shoot in single or bursts. Shooting - only with a closed shutter.

RPK-16 uses interchangeable barrels. A barrel with a length of 580 mm is intended for combined arms combat; a short 415 mm is proposed for battles in difficult conditions. Replacing the barrel takes only a few minutes and can be done by the shooter independently, without the use of a complex tool. Compatible with interchangeable muzzle devices.

A machine gun uses magazine-based ammunition. Full compatibility with box magazines for AK-74 assault rifles and RPK-74 machine guns is maintained. In addition, a new drum magazine for 96 rounds was developed, which allows to increase the density of fire.

Ergonomics of the type of existing assault rifles, the possibility of long-term firing without replacing the magazine, compatibility with various “body kits”, etc. were mentioned as the advantages of RPK-16. Given all these factors, the new machine gun against the background of its predecessors looked very interesting.

Жалобы и предложения


It is known that, according to the test results, army specialists compiled a list of necessary improvements and innovations. What exact requirements are included in it is unknown. At the same time, certain customer wishes lead to the need for such a serious processing of the machine gun that we have to talk about a completely new model.


Typically, during military tests, various minor flaws are identified in the field of ergonomics, maintenance, survivability of parts, etc. Correction of such deficiencies is not difficult, and also does not significantly affect the design as a whole. After such refinement, the sample goes into service and goes into series. Moreover, the improved version from the point of view of origin or name is often not distinguished from the base one and is not considered as a separate construction.

In the case of an improvement in RPK-16, the actual development of a new "parking brake" on the basis of the existing one was announced. This suggests that the list of wishes and requirements provides not only minor innovations in not the most significant areas. It is possible that individual claims could affect the main parts of the weapon or even the basic concepts of the project. Such improvement really turns out to be similar to the development of a new project.

Improving good


Judging by the open data, RPK-16 is a very successful weapon that has significant advantages over previous domestically produced light machine guns. However, domestic and foreign experience shows that such a design can be improved with new advantages.

One of the main tasks of a light machine gun is long-term firing in bursts - to support machine gunners who do not have this capability. The old RPK-74 could not cope with this work because of the small capacity of the store: 30 or 45 rounds did not provide sufficient firing duration without reloading. RPK-16 with a “drum” of 96 rounds has obvious advantages.

Foreign experience shows that a machine gun under a low-pulse cartridge with the possibility of magazine and tape power can be useful to troops. Several samples of this kind have been adopted and receive good reviews. Similar machine guns were also created in our country, but RPK-16 is not one of them.


Machine gun FN Minimi - one of the samples for store and belt power. In the foreground are laid soft containers for ribbons (left) and magazine pouches

It is possible that the army, taking into account domestic and foreign experience, demanded to redesign the RPK-16 design to ensure the use of not only stores, but also tapes. A machine gun with such capabilities would be more interesting for the customer.

A serious problem with the PKK product line is the preservation of the “automatic” principle of operation with firing from a closed shutter. This leads to faster barrel heating up to the loss of accuracy and accuracy characteristics, and also gives the risk of spontaneous ignition of the cartridge in the chamber. To get rid of such shortcomings, a serious revision of the existing bolt group and trigger mechanism is required.

Machine gun of the future


Work on the new version of RPK-16 begins only now, and it is not known what they will lead to. Any result can be expected. A promising “handbrake” may turn out to be the basic RPK-16 with a change in some details that do not affect the operation of the weapon, but simplify its operation. You can also expect a radical processing of all the main units with the preservation of only individual devices and principles.

At the same time, it can be assumed that the updated or rebuilt RPK-16 will more fully meet the requirements of the customer and therefore will be able to pass the necessary tests without difficulties and complaints. Accordingly, the machine gun in the future will get a chance to enter service. The army will be able to get a light machine gun that meets its wishes and devoid of the shortcomings of its predecessors.

The timing of the appearance of such weapons remains unknown. Its development begins this year, and, depending on the features of the restructuring of the base project, it can take several months or several years. Thus, a new machine gun is hardly worth waiting for before the future Army 2021 exhibition. However, one should not rush in this area, because the main thing is the result.
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  1. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 10 July 2020 06: 05 New
    +5
    However, the trend! Su-57 in aviation ... Armata in armored vehicles ... Hermes-PTRK ... RPK-16 in small arms ...! winked
    1. sav
      sav 10 July 2020 06: 19 New
      15
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      However, the trend! Su-57 in aviation ... Armata in armored vehicles ... Hermes-PTRK ... RPK-16 in small arms.

      This is evolution yes
      1. Ragnar Lodbrok
        Ragnar Lodbrok 10 July 2020 06: 44 New
        +4
        This is a progressive movement. On the whole, I agree how everything develops quickly, yesterday they scored a cartridge with a ramrod in the gun ..
        1. IL-64
          IL-64 10 July 2020 09: 26 New
          +8
          The cartridge in the gun with a ramrod was never scored. They separately killed the charge and separately the bullet. From the muzzle end. And the cartridge appeared after the appearance of breech-loading rifles.
          1. Kot_Kuzya
            Kot_Kuzya 10 July 2020 09: 37 New
            +1
            The cartridge actually appeared back in the 17th century during the Thirty Years War, the Swedes were the first to use it, thanks to the use of paper cartridges, the rate of muskets increased, and the Swedish infantry could shoot 4 times per minute.
            1. IL-64
              IL-64 10 July 2020 09: 45 New
              +5
              This does not mean that the cartridge was blocked in the barrel. In fact, it was a container for storing and carrying a measured portion of gunpowder with a bullet, with a wad, in addition, which eliminated the need to bother with a powder flask. “When loading, the shooter tore the paper shell, poured gunpowder into the barrel of the weapon, used paper as a wad, and sent a bullet from above”
              1. Nikolaevich I
                Nikolaevich I 10 July 2020 13: 38 New
                +1
                Quote: IL-64
                When loading the shooter tore the paper shell ...

                Biting a cartridge ...
                Quote: IL-64
                poured gunpowder into the barrel of the weapon,

                Exactly! Poured gunpowder (charge) into the barrel ... where is there "clogging a separate charge ..."?
                Quote: IL-64
                used paper as a wad and sent a bullet from above "

                A bullet along with paper (a "sleeve") was inserted into the barrel. Although there was an option when a "bite" bullet ... powder fell out ... a "bullet" was inserted ... then a crumpled paper of the "sleeve" ... clogged with a ramrod.
                1. IL-64
                  IL-64 10 July 2020 15: 53 New
                  +2
                  The charge was boiling over. Ramrod. No need to cling to words. The point is that you have correctly caught my remark
          2. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 10 July 2020 13: 43 New
            +1
            Quote: IL-64
            The cartridge in the gun with a ramrod was never scored.

            They scored ... At least they tried ...! There were "experimental" "muzzle-loading" cartridges ...
      2. Catfish
        Catfish 10 July 2020 06: 50 New
        +3
        And MP 43/1 was a revolution. smile
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 10 July 2020 08: 34 New
          +3
          Foreign experience shows that a machine gun under a low-pulse cartridge with the possibility of magazine and tape power can be useful to troops. Several samples of this kind have been adopted and receive good reviews.


          There are Russian gunsmiths who have yet experimental experience using a light machine gun with universal power.

          "Cord 5,45", lightweight," store-and-tape "station wagon - in plans, even in metal - has been around for quite some time, not in the troops ...

          1. Catfish
            Catfish 10 July 2020 08: 55 New
            +2
            Thanks for the information, colleague, I have not seen this machine gun before. By the way, the feedback on the large-caliber Korda is only the most positive. hi
          2. John22
            John22 10 July 2020 12: 08 New
            +8
            If you already have Cord 545 for dual power, why do you need to refine, or rather, re-develop the pseudo RPK-16, which clearly did not pass the military tests. The Kalashnikov concern is trying to squeeze the maximum money out of the spent construction without restructuring production. There are no good designers of their own, new schemes too. So they offer squeezes from AK. Let Cord 545 pass military tests, then the difference will be visible. We need a contest to choose from. Kovrovtsy seemed to be developing a machine gun with a moving barrel. Flashed infa - and silence.
            1. psiho117
              psiho117 11 July 2020 20: 12 New
              0
              Quote: John22
              If you already have Cord 545 for dual power

              the idea of ​​dual nutrition itself raises questions ...
              And its implementation in metal is even more of a problem.
              Minimi, for example, despite the declared "double" ammunition, doesn’t shoot from the store, because the green is unreliable.
              why you need to refine, or rather, re-develop the pseudo RPK-16
              As you rightly said - KK wants money. That's all the reasons ...
              Manual development machine gun on the base automaton - originally an unpromising idea. Here and shooting with a closed shutter, and a heavy unreliable "tambourine", and other problems ...
              Honestly, PCM would have been reduced for a long time and the handbrake had been made.
          3. Konatantin 1992
            Konatantin 1992 10 July 2020 18: 40 New
            +1
            Yes, a good example, but for some reason Kovrovtsev haven’t been favoring them lately ... Everywhere there is a PR company.
            1. Insurgent
              Insurgent 11 July 2020 08: 00 New
              +3
              Quote: Konatantin 1992
              Yes, a good sample

              I would say perceptible. And whether he is good or not, tests should be given on this question, including military ones.
              You need to look at how much he will fit the army ...
    2. Kalmar
      Kalmar 10 July 2020 09: 25 New
      +2
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      However, the trend! Su-57 in aviation ... Armata in armored vehicles ... Hermes-PTRK ... RPK-16 in small arms ...!

      If I remember the background correctly, the situation is a bit different. Su-57 and Armata were commissioned by the military to their requirements. And RPK-16 (like AK-12) is more initiative development, i.e. not according to the requirements of the customer, but according to your own idea of ​​the ideal light machine gun. Apparently, this idea did not coincide with the military personnel’s wishes.
    3. an-sar
      an-sar 10 July 2020 11: 49 New
      +1
      What are you talking about, what is the tendency, if all of these products are at RKD, the letter "A" is not yet assigned.
    4. Mister X
      Mister X 25 July 2020 08: 26 New
      0
      hi
      Perhaps the military was not satisfied with the type of ammunition supply.
      After all, it takes a long time to equip a disk magazine.
      Example Degtyar (DP-27), and PPSh.


      My opinion is that a box with a belt is more suitable food for a machine gun.
      Like the RPD.
      In the west, they began to abandon the combined diet scheme 30 years ago.
      At least that was the case with the Stoner system:
      The Stoner 86 / ARES LMG is powered by either 200-round tape (main) or 30-round magazines (spare).
      Stoner 96 / Knight's Armament LMG refused from store food, and kept only ribbon.
  2. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 10 July 2020 06: 12 New
    -4
    A 96 round magazine is THING!
    1. Kalmar
      Kalmar 10 July 2020 09: 26 New
      +1
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      A 96 round magazine is THING!

      In terms of rate of fire - perhaps. But how much does it weigh by itself? And how reliable?
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 10 July 2020 11: 08 New
        0
        I never understood machine guns with stores of 20-30 rounds. How to create fire density if a store crashes in a couple of seconds ?! The way out is the tape. But it means the second number, the assistant, carrying the box for you. Now the boxes are fastened to machine guns. Usually 100 rounds. I do not think that it is much lighter than this disc. Therefore, tactical, cloth bags appeared.
        1. Kalmar
          Kalmar 10 July 2020 11: 16 New
          +2
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          But it means the second number, the assistant, carrying the box for you

          Why? In the case of the same M249 fighter, as a rule, the ammunition drags itself; the second number (Assistant Gunner or Ammo Bearer) is not always given to him.
        2. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 10 July 2020 14: 13 New
          0
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          The way out is the tape. But it means the second number, the assistant, carrying the box for you. Now the boxes are fastened to machine guns.

          So, with faq now that ?! But what about the MT-24 and RPD-47 machine guns?

          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          Now the boxes are fastened to machine guns. Usually 100 rounds. I do not think that it is much lighter than this disc. Therefore, tactical, cloth bags appeared.

          Exactly...! The Americans took the RPD-47 and spat on a "tactical cloth bag"!
        3. Saxahorse
          Saxahorse 10 July 2020 21: 10 New
          +2
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          I never understood machine guns with stores of 20-30 rounds. How to create fire density if a store crashes in a couple of seconds ?! The way out is the tape.

          Generally speaking, there are two-three-row stores. For example, 50 rounds. And secondly, the store is noticeably lighter than the tape with cartridges in the same quantity. And thirdly, there are still wonderful inventions like “shutter lag”, this allows you to change the store in half a second. (on the gun for sure ..). Replacing the tape is a rather long and chaotic procedure, and even scrupulous, especially if the enemy is very close and in every way encourages you. laughing
      2. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 10 July 2020 13: 46 New
        +1
        Quote: Kalmar
        A 96 round magazine is THING!

        In terms of rate of fire - perhaps. But how much does it weigh by itself? And how reliable?

        And it is necessary to ask Lewis ... there were shops for him ("disks") for 93 rounds ...
    2. Insurgent
      Insurgent 10 July 2020 11: 42 New
      +2
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      A 96 round magazine is THING!

      And in the DNI, the thing is also very expensive and extremely rare.
      In 2016, I wanted to buy a “tambourine” for my RPK, but somehow cooled down to him, recognizing a “price tag” somewhere in the range of 7 rubles, while the “combat” ones didn’t pay us even there were 000 ...
      And "humanitarianly", such gizmos also did not come (didn’t reach us?).
  3. mark1
    mark1 10 July 2020 06: 47 New
    +6

    RPK-16 uses interchangeable barrels. A barrel with a length of 580 mm is intended for combined arms combat; a short 415 mm is proposed for battles in difficult conditions.

    RPK with a short barrel is a machine in fact and in fact. Why does he need a removable short barrel (only the total weight increases)?

    The old RPK-74 could not cope with this work due to the small capacity of the magazine: 30 or 45 rounds did not provide sufficient firing duration without reloading

    There is (was) another drum for 75 rounds, and a new one for 96 will allow the "old RPK-74 to cope with its work"
    With a 96-round drum, why a tape (which still needs to be developed and produced)
    In general, it all looks like a good (solid such) cut.
    Probably if it is really necessary to significantly increase the firepower of the squad, it is more logical to use the PKM / Pecheneg construct.
    1. Ded_Mazay
      Ded_Mazay 10 July 2020 06: 58 New
      +2
      Quote: mark1
      RPK with a short barrel is a machine in fact and in fact. Why does he need a removable short barrel (only the total weight increases)?

      A machine gun is a machine gun, and a machine gun is a machine gun. And they differ not only in barrel length ...
      1. mark1
        mark1 10 July 2020 07: 08 New
        +3
        Fair, fair ... But not in this particular case, but what is the difference between AK and PKK except for the barrel?
        RPK is an AK with an elongated barrel whose task is to increase the range of fire destruction of the squad and that’s all, alas, it’s not at all “Maxim”.
        1. Ded_Mazay
          Ded_Mazay 10 July 2020 07: 22 New
          0
          Quote: mark1
          RPK is an AK with an elongated barrel whose task is to increase the range of fire damage to the compartment and all

          Maybe this applies to RPK-74, but I have great doubts about RPK-16. Well, at least because a removable barrel is provided.
          1. mark1
            mark1 10 July 2020 07: 33 New
            -1
            Quote: Ded_Mazay
            All the more necessary RPK-16 with its interchangeable barrel

            Have you served in the army? If you still have to, I hope for your career as a machine gunner
            Quote: Ded_Mazay
            RPK-16 with its interchangeable barrel
            which you will have the "pleasure" to carry with you and "change within a few minutes without using the tool"
            1. Ded_Mazay
              Ded_Mazay 10 July 2020 07: 39 New
              -5
              Quote: mark1
              Have you served in the army? If you still have to, I hope for your career as a machine gunner

              Flood Or want to say that the trunk in RPK 16 does not change? Yes, this is still a crap, but there is such a saying, “If you want to live, you’re not getting up to speed” ...
              1. mark1
                mark1 10 July 2020 07: 44 New
                +1
                So did not serve.
                Quote: Ded_Mazay
                Flood

                otherwise they would not flood.
                1. Ded_Mazay
                  Ded_Mazay 10 July 2020 14: 29 New
                  0
                  So flood ...
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          2. L-39NG
            L-39NG 10 July 2020 13: 58 New
            -1
            And learn how to use your weapons wisely, and not like in movies or games, you look and the trunk will not need to be changed
            1. Ded_Mazay
              Ded_Mazay 10 July 2020 14: 45 New
              +2
              Yeah. The Belgian FN Minimi, PKM, British Bren, Singapore Ultimax 100 mk3, German HK MG 4, Israeli Negev and even Korean Daewoo K3 have quick-release trunks. It’s immediately obvious that the engineers were smart and took into account that there was nobody in the armies of their countries who could “use weapons wisely, and not like in a movie” ... lol
              1. L-39NG
                L-39NG 10 July 2020 14: 59 New
                -2
                And there is such a thing as “just in case”. Of course, I can’t check your experience with this device, and you’re mine, but both of us are still alive, and I haven’t changed the trunks even once, though I worked officially.
                1. Ded_Mazay
                  Ded_Mazay 10 July 2020 15: 10 New
                  +1
                  Nah. Quick change barrels are not just invented for machine guns. No, of course it all depends on the situation. In most cases, the spare barrel is “lost” by an unnecessary load. And if you suddenly need - but he is not? What then?
                  In general, the fact that the barrel of the RPK 16 is interchangeable is good. That's what is not quick-detachable - this is not very much.
        2. Glory1974
          Glory1974 10 July 2020 10: 31 New
          -4
          but what is the difference between AK and RPK except for the barrel?

          still enlarged magazine, accuracy and firing range.
          With a drum, it will become practically “Maxim”, and if you put the optics, it will also become a “long arm”
        3. mister-red
          mister-red 10 July 2020 17: 09 New
          0
          Quote: mark1
          RPK is an AK with an elongated barrel whose task is to increase the range of fire damage to the compartment and all

          In general, yes. Plus more precise aiming due to bipod. Is this not enough?
          A store change is a couple of seconds.
          By the way, during the shooting in the army from the PKK, they fired on launched lighting rockets that descend by parachute. Sometimes even someone got in. This is an aerial target shooting practice. they never did this from machines.
        4. mmaxx
          mmaxx 15 July 2020 18: 24 New
          0
          RPK made much better and stronger AK. The receiver is thicker, the barrel is much thicker. The spring is more powerful - double. Even the bolt frame seems to be different. I haven’t seen him alive for a long time. Machine-gun sights. When you pick it up, the overall impression is different. PKK is better.
    2. Narak-zempo
      Narak-zempo 10 July 2020 08: 54 New
      +4
      Quote: mark1
      There is (was) another drum for 75 rounds

      You confuse the PKK and RPK-74. Under 7,62 was a tambourine in mass production, under 5,45 then did not go into the series.
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 10 July 2020 10: 14 New
        +2
        Quote: Narak-zempo
        Under 7,62 was a tambourine in mass production, under 5,45 then did not go into the series.

        In 1974, he did not go yes . As explained, "for economic reasons"...
    3. Kalmar
      Kalmar 10 July 2020 09: 32 New
      +3
      Quote: mark1
      Why does he need a removable short barrel (only the total weight increases)?

      Does not increase. This is not a quick-change barrel like a RMB or M249, i.e. the machine gunner does not carry it with him. Instead, he can advance to put the barrel of the desired length, depending on the nature of the upcoming actions.

      Quote: mark1
      With a drum for 96 rounds why tape

      The tape itself seems to be easier, and more reliable. Again, its length can be easily increased: M249 quietly chews 200 rounds of tape; a store of this capacity will weigh a lot.

      Quote: mark1
      In general, it all looks like a good (solid such) cut.

      It seems that KK is working on this topic at its own expense?
      1. Ded_Mazay
        Ded_Mazay 10 July 2020 15: 18 New
        +1
        Quote: Kalmar
        This is not a quick-change barrel like a RMB or M249, i.e. the machine gunner does not carry it with him. Instead, he can advance to put the barrel of the desired length, depending on the nature of the upcoming actions.

        It is a pity that it is not quick-change. There are different situations. And the fact that he basically changes is good. In one of the videos, the representative of KK claimed that the barrel resource was about 10k shots, and the automation was about 30k.
        Quote: Kalmar
        The tape itself seems to be easier, and more reliable.

        I agree that the dead weight of the tape is less than that of the sector and especially the drum.
    4. Insurgent
      Insurgent 10 July 2020 09: 58 New
      +1
      Quote: mark1
      RPK with a short barrel is a machine in fact and in fact. Why does he need a removable short barrel (only the total weight increases)?

      Quote: Ded_Mazay
      A machine gun is a machine gun, and a machine gun is a machine gun. And they differ not only in barrel length ...


      Somehow, and somehow ...

      With a shorter barrel, the concept of ""heavy assault rifle (machine gun)", as was done, for example, in the Israeli Negev machine gun, which, among other things, allows the use of several types of ammunition after replacing some parts of the mechanism.

      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 11 July 2020 18: 56 New
        +1
        All of these interchangeable trunks are essentially not for change during combat. Yes, and two different trunks to carry stupidity instead of a BC similar in weight.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 11 July 2020 19: 02 New
          +2
          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
          All of these interchangeable trunks are essentially not for change during combat. Yes, and two different trunks to carry stupidity instead of a BC similar in weight.

          Exactly yes I, after all, did not say that the trunks in the Negev changed during the battle ...

          Although, somewhere at the checkpoint, an opornik, on the defensive, having a spare trunk (with the obligatory quick change function) would not be bad ... Well, or when you have second number.
  4. sen
    sen 10 July 2020 06: 55 New
    +1
    RPK-16 is not bad, but according to the machine gunner, a former Alpha special forces soldier Alexei Filatov, the special forces prefer a heavier Kalashnikov machine gun (PC).
    https://ria.ru/20200708/1574012645.html
  5. Revolver
    Revolver 10 July 2020 07: 18 New
    +7
    Yes, even though they put some store, he will shoot in long bursts exactly until the trunk overheats. A trunk change in the field is not provided. In the minimi photo, the main thing is not pouches of fashionable camouflage fabric, which the author noticed in the first place, and not even an optical sight, but a spare barrel. The design of the AK-47, although ideal for an assault rifle, does not allow an easy change of barrel in principle.
    A kit and plastic for camouflage is a show off cheap.
    1. Glory1974
      Glory1974 10 July 2020 10: 32 New
      -3
      he will shoot in long bursts exactly until the barrel overheats.

      any barrel is overheating. The PKK trunk is enough for its tasks.
    2. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 11 July 2020 19: 02 New
      +1
      Quote: Nagan
      In the minimi photo, the main thing is not pouches of fashionable camouflage fabric, which the author noticed in the first place, and not even an optical sight, but a spare barrel.

      Instead, you can take cartridges. An overheated barrel will at least somehow shoot, but without cartridges your additional barrel can be used either in a suicidal attack in a melee like a club, or for a white flag. In any case, I think this is not quite what you would like.
  6. Kot_Kuzya
    Kot_Kuzya 10 July 2020 07: 34 New
    +8
    The PKK is a machine gun. The troops do not like him, he does not provide the density of fire required for a machine gun due to the non-replaceable barrel, magazine power and firing from a closed bolt. At the same time, it is heavier and larger than the AK. Due to the lack of a full-fledged light machine gun, the troops prefer to carry heavy PKM even at the squad level, put the PKM in an armored personnel carrier and ride with it. It is necessary to develop and adopt a handbrake under the 5,45 * 39 cartridge, which would have belt power, a quick change barrel and an open-bolt firing mechanism, that is, essentially the same RMB, but much lighter due to the use of a small-caliber automatic cartridge.
    1. General failure
      General failure 10 July 2020 08: 41 New
      +2
      it does not provide the density of fire required for a machine gun due to the non-replaceable barrel, magazine power

      Maybe ejection cooling, like Pecheneg’s muddied? Then, a replacement barrel is not needed.

      and firing with a closed shutter

      If you shoot from the open, the accuracy of a single fire will turn into a pumpkin.
      Most likely, you will have to abandon the single-fire mode.

      And if you add power from the tape, then in fact you get a PC under 5.45, and not RPK.
      With the supply of cartridges from the tape to stitching, maybe a cartridge without a flange.

      The PKK is now a "heavy machine gun," and it will turn out to be a "light single machine gun." Whether this is necessary is unknown.
      1. Kot_Kuzya
        Kot_Kuzya 10 July 2020 08: 55 New
        +2
        And why the machine gun single-fire mode? A machine gun is not a rifle.
        1. General failure
          General failure 10 July 2020 09: 27 New
          +1
          Why machine gun single fire mode

          The PKK has it. So, for some reason you need it.

          But whether an analogue of a PC is needed under 5.45 is another question. Then you still have to invent a second calculation number for the PKK. For alone all the stray and ammunition can not be dragged.

          It seems to me that they will stop at something in between.
          That is, or add a quick change barrel or non-replaceable cooling. There will be no power from the tape (enough tambourine), as well as an open shutter.
          1. Kot_Kuzya
            Kot_Kuzya 10 July 2020 09: 34 New
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            Quote: General Failure
            The PKK has it. So, for some reason you need it.

            RPK in design is the same AK. For the sake of unification and cheapening of production, they left solitary mode.
            1. General failure
              General failure 10 July 2020 09: 58 New
              +2
              RPK in design is the same AK

              This is another reason not to redo the PKK too much. Moreover, it is very weighty.

              You can believe, you can not believe, but if a single fire is removed, it immediately turns out that you can’t live without it.
            2. Insurgent
              Insurgent 10 July 2020 10: 10 New
              10
              Why machine gun single fire mode

              Quote: General Failure
              The PKK has it. So, for some reason you need it.

              Quote: Kot_Kuzya
              RPK in design is the same AK. For the sake of unification and cheapening of production, they left solitary mode.

              And not in vain yes
              At one time, on the radar near the airport, it was possible to bring dill with a single "sniper" fire from the RPK-74 literally to rage.

              Very much single sound "Lyas-ss!"from the PKK is like a shot" SVD "whip" yes .
              And in terms of accuracy, at short and medium distances - RPK and SVD are also comparable.

              RPK - is a "sniper AK"
    2. Droid
      Droid 18 July 2020 08: 09 New
      -1
      Quote: Kot_Kuzya
      The PKK is a machine gun. The troops do not like him,

      Let them start by studying their own documents in the troops.
      it does not provide the density of fire required for a machine gun due to a non-replaceable barrel, magazine power and firing from a closed bolt.

      If the troops studied the materiel and documents, they would know that the main firepower of a motorized rifle squad is not a light machine gun, but a combat vehicle with an automatic cannon and a PKT with a BC of 2000 rounds, or at worst with a 14,5-mm KPVT and PKT ... And if the fighters managed to fall in love with the BMP / BTR, then no handbrake will save them.
      It is necessary to develop and adopt a handbrake chambered for 5,45 * 39, which would have a tape power supply,

      For more than 10 years, the troops had a handbrake under an intermediate cartridge with a belt feed - RPD. They got rid of him as soon as the PKK appeared.
      1. Kot_Kuzya
        Kot_Kuzya 18 July 2020 13: 02 New
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        They got rid of it not because the RPD was bad, but in order to unify weapons. And besides, the RPD has a non-replaceable barrel, so the tape power still did not provide a high combat rate of fire.
        1. Droid
          Droid 18 July 2020 19: 33 New
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          They didn’t get rid because the RPD was bad

          Including because it was bad. The most interesting thing is that the documents about the operation of the RPD do not pop up anywhere, but here in the transcript of the meeting where the question was decided whether to adopt the Kalashnikov assault rifle is the phrase Comrade. Tsvetkova where he says that there is no need to rush, that there is already a bitter experience with the RPD-44. What was that bitter experience already in the year 47 is not explained, but judging by the fact that the replacement of the RPDs was intensively worked out, not only in unification.

          Quote: Kot_Kuzya
          And besides, the RPD has a non-replaceable barrel, so the tape power still did not provide a high combat rate of fire.

          The RPD barrel provided the shooting of 300 rounds without barrel cooling at a combat rate of fire of up to 150 rpm. And on RMB, after shooting 250 shots, it is recommended to change the barrel, only nobody usually carries a spare barrel, despite all the stories about the need for a real machine gun. As I understand it, the troops completely do not understand what is manual machine gun and how it differs from a single or easel. The most interesting thing is that the troops have already requested a handbrake with a ribbon. They were given RPDs. According to the results of the operation, the RPDs were replaced by RPKs, because smart people understood that in war, a heavy handbrake with a tape in the fucking compartment was not needed if there was an armored personnel carrier with a general military base in the same compartment, and then an armored personnel carrier with a gun and PKT. When in the conflicts of low intensity they first received a muzzle, instead of sorting out the organization, garbage began with tales about the absence of a machine gun. Instead of an organizational decision - to transfer PKM from machine-gun platoons to units operating in isolation from equipment, they decided to make all motorized rifles happy by lowering PKM to the department. And who in the department will carry this same machine gun along with the BC? Or a grenade launcher and shooters carrying the BK to the machine gun to perplex? And more about comparing RPD with PKK:
          1. They have the same rate of fire - up to 150 rpm. This is because the characteristic length of the line of a light machine gun is 5-7 shots, and not 20-30 like a single RMB. Because the handbrake is served by one fighter and the machine gun can perfectly shoot all the wearable BC.
          2. Weight: RPD - 9 kg with a box and curb tape; RPK - 6,8 kg with an equipped drum and 5,6 kg with an equipped sector store.
          It is obvious that one soldier will not carry so many cartridges for a machine gun on him to shoot him as an easel, while other shooters in the compartment also have their own tasks except how to carry a BC to a machine gun. Because the mass of the handbrake should be sufficient to shoot the wearable BC bursts in 5-7 shots. For everything else, there is a fighting vehicle in the squad that fires down all the shooters combined, and the shooters are actually needed to shoot grenade launchers dangerous for the car and other targets that have not yet come under fire from the machine, as well as operate inside enemy fortifications and in buildings the machine supports them outside.
  7. Jack O'Neill
    Jack O'Neill 10 July 2020 08: 30 New
    -3
    RPK-16 is not that, it's all the same RPK. Give an analogue of the M249, which eats both shops and the tape, has a high rate of fire, and hence the density of fire, the barrel just as easily changes!
    We do not have such a machine gun, but we need it. And necrophilia with PKK, then why?

    How easy the barrel is changing:



    Food from the store:





    Long vidos.
    1. Narak-zempo
      Narak-zempo 10 July 2020 09: 05 New
      -1
      Quote: Jack O'Neill
      Give an analogue of the M249, which eats both shops and the tape, has a high rate of fire, and hence the density of fire, the barrel just as easily changes!

      Well, yes, it is easy to change, but what kind of trunk is this, which must be changed 4 times to one tape? With such shifts, the combat rate drops below the baseboard.
      And smiled bedding in the first video. Afraid of getting dirty? What is it that, in battle, will the karemats also be dragged and spread under fire? I would bring that extreme one to a puddle deeper and command "Lie down!" laughing
      1. Jack O'Neill
        Jack O'Neill 10 July 2020 09: 11 New
        +5
        Well, yes, it’s easy to change, but what kind of trunk is this, which needs to be changed 4 times to one tape? With such shifts, the combat rate drops below the baseboard

        Either you joked, or ...

        Does it make sense for you to write that the trunk is being changed on the video not because something is wrong with it, but because they can.
        They didn’t show you in the army how to change the store at AK? What kind of shops are these that need to be changed every 30 shots? ..
    2. About 2
      About 2 10 July 2020 09: 07 New
      0
      Who needs a machine gun similar to the M249, do you? Actually, according to the results of the Afghan company, the Americans are not painfully satisfied with this weapon, one of the main problems is the low power of the ammunition. And only our gunsmiths from the Kalashnikov concern stubbornly try to bomb the air defense their miracle invention with a similar like the M249 cartridge and magazine low reliability.
      1. Jack O'Neill
        Jack O'Neill 10 July 2020 09: 17 New
        +2
        one of the main problems is the low power of ammunition.

        Yes, the 223rd hat, then it’s ours, 5.45x39! The soldiers have claims to ammunition, not weapons.

        And only our gunsmiths from the Kalashnikov concern stubbornly try to inject min.defense their miracle of invention with a cartridge similar to that of the M249 and a low-reliability store.

        Funny.


        You go and do not know what a platoon machine gunner is. Will Marxman also give DVL-10?
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 10 July 2020 10: 21 New
          +5
          Quote: Jack O'Neill
          You go and do not know what a platoon machine gunner is.

          "Platoon machine gunner"... But PKK of any modification, it’s machine gun compartment yes .
    3. Kalmar
      Kalmar 10 July 2020 09: 55 New
      +3
      Quote: Jack O'Neill
      Give an analogue of the M249, which eats both shops and the tape, has a high rate of fire, and hence the density of fire, the barrel just as easily changes!

      I came across an article where one of the Amer officers carried M249. The arguments were something like this:
      1. Not reliable enough (record holder for the number of delays among all infantry weapons).
      2. Food from the store is even more unreliable (even the manufacturer indicates this).
      3. The high rate of fire is compensated by low accuracy and rests on the limitations on the combat ammunition: the "carrying capacity" of the machine gunner is not unlimited.
      4. Tape feeding complicates the interaction between the fighters of the squad: the machine gunner cannot just share ammunition with his comrades.
      5. The rather heavy weight of a machine gun with a standard 200-cartridge belt is boring for the shooter, reducing his combat effectiveness.

      Well and further, the author of the article writes that the light machine gun should be something like an RPK: a rifle sharpened under (relatively) intense automatic fire, and for filling the enemy with lead there is the M240. For approximately these reasons, the U.S. ILC is now experimenting with the M27 as a replacement for the M4 and M249.

      How true these arguments are is an open question, of course.
      1. Jack O'Neill
        Jack O'Neill 10 July 2020 10: 00 New
        -3
        I came across an article where one of the Amer officers carried M249. The arguments were something like this:

        There are enough such "Officers". If people put on a cartoon and speaks English, this does not mean that this is an Officer.
        1. Kalmar
          Kalmar 10 July 2020 10: 09 New
          +4
          Quote: Jack O'Neill
          There are enough such "Officers". If people put on a cartoon and speaks English, this does not mean that this is an Officer.

          Found a translation: https://glockmeister.livejournal.com/459774.html. Somewhere you can pick up the original. Posted by Ray Grandi, Warrant Officer (real): This is something like our ensign, right?
          1. Jack O'Neill
            Jack O'Neill 10 July 2020 10: 24 New
            0
            Article 2014, citing the original 2001 20 years as it were.
            1. Kalmar
              Kalmar 10 July 2020 10: 33 New
              +3
              Quote: Jack O'Neill
              Article 2014, citing the original 2001 20 years as it were.

              Yes, but the problems he highlighted are systemic in nature and, accordingly, haven’t gone anywhere. M249 seems to have become somewhat lighter; there are still complaints about reliability issues. The rest is all in place.
              1. Jack O'Neill
                Jack O'Neill 10 July 2020 10: 49 New
                -3
                Yes, but the problems highlighted by him are systemic in nature and, accordingly, haven’t really gone anywhere.

                Provided that he is not lying.

                The only problem that the M249 really writes about is accuracy. But considering that the role of the machine gunner is to suppress the enemy, this is even good.
                1. Engineer
                  Engineer 10 July 2020 11: 17 New
                  +3
                  The FN Minimi Light Machine Gun: M249, L108A1, L110A2, and other variants

                  Of the 341 respondents, 30 percent indicated delays when firing in combat
                  For M16 and M4, this figure is 19 percent
                  It seems that the reliability issue is really real
                  1. Jack O'Neill
                    Jack O'Neill 10 July 2020 20: 32 New
                    0
                    Of the 341 respondents, 30 percent indicated delays when firing in combat
                    For M16 and M4, this figure is 19 percent
                    It seems that the reliability issue is really real

                    This is a lie. There is no evidence for these figures.
                    1. Engineer
                      Engineer 10 July 2020 20: 45 New
                      +1
                      The author of lies Chris McNab. The title of the book indicated.
                      The book is in google books
                      Further, this whole lie migrated to English Wikipedia
                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M249_light_machine_gun
                      he SAW had the highest levels of stoppages at 30 percent (102 troops), and 41 percent of those that experienced a stoppage said it had a large impact on their ability to clear the stoppage and re-engage their target.

                      And after

                      M249 users had the lowest levels of satisfaction with weapon maintainability at 70 percent (239 troops), most due to the difficulty in removing and receiving small components and poor corrosion resistance.
                      1. Jack O'Neill
                        Jack O'Neill 10 July 2020 21: 27 New
                        +2
                        Okay, convinced, give up. good
                      2. Engineer
                        Engineer 10 July 2020 21: 30 New
                        +1
                        I only advocate common sense and critical attitude)
                      3. Jack O'Neill
                        Jack O'Neill 11 July 2020 01: 04 New
                        +1
                        I only advocate common sense and critical attitude)

                        Common sense and critical thinking are good. I drown for them myself.
    4. Glory1974
      Glory1974 10 July 2020 10: 28 New
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      If people put on a cartoon and speaks English, this does not mean that this is an Officer.

      it’s not necessary to be an officer to voice the flaws. But there are really disadvantages.
    5. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 11 July 2020 19: 11 New
      0
      Quote: Jack O'Neill
      There are enough such "Officers". If people put on a cartoon and speaks English, this does not mean that this is an Officer.

      And will there be any objections to the claims? Or the main objection - "he has epaulets of the wrong system"?
  8. Insurgent
    Insurgent 10 July 2020 10: 38 New
    +4
    Quote: Kalmar
    Tape feeding complicates the interaction between fighters of the squad: the machine gunner cannot just share ammunition with his comrades.

    The remark is relevant just to the concept of "loose tape" yes
    In our case, with a solid tape, the machine gunner (and the second number, if there is one in the state / in the DNR has no /), in addition to the curb tapes, there is also “loose powder”, which he can always share with the department, or vice versa, the department "customize" cartridges for machine gunner for stuffing tapes.

    The main thing is that there should be one cartridge ...
    1. Kalmar
      Kalmar 10 July 2020 11: 09 New
      0
      Quote: Insurgent
      The remark is relevant just to the concept of "loose tape"
      In our case, with a solid tape, the machine gunner (and the second number, if there is one in the state / in the DNR has no /), in addition to the curb tapes, there is also “loose powder”, which he can always share with the department, or vice versa, the department "customize" cartridges for machine gunner for stuffing tapes.

      Conceptually, the fighter with the M249 can pick up cartridges from the tape. But to engage in stuffing the tape / store at the height of the battle is such an entertainment in the general case. Much nicer to be able to just throw a friend a store.
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 10 July 2020 11: 29 New
        +2
        Quote: Kalmar
        doing tape / magazine stuffing in the midst of a battle is such an entertainment in the general case. Much nicer to be able to just throw a friend a store.

        And there is yes easier...
        But where to get them full shops request The wearable BC in stores / tapes is infinite only in shooting games.
        Therefore, if you like it, don’t want it, but you’ll have to fill them yes Whatever it costs you.
        And here, to the fore comes including non-loose machine gun belt , which the machine gunner (normal) has used up, he will never abandon.

        But loose, "western"tape, try reloading it, especially if you were still running while shooting,"nth number of hundred meters" wassat

        Quote: Kalmar
        Conceptually, the fighter with the M249 can pick up cartridges from the tape.


        Laughing out loudand horrified at the same timepresenting such a picture ...
        1. Zeev
          Zeev zeev 10 July 2020 12: 04 New
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          I will answer as a machine gunner. Even point by point:
          A) Stuff shops BETWEEN the battles. Cartridges that either deliver or store in position. In the midst of a fight, bad dumb people do it. EQUIPPED tapes are also brought and stored with the same success.
          C) If the machine gunner in the middle of the battle is engaged in collecting pieces of tape (which is much more difficult than putting an empty magazine in the unloading), he himself will die, or he will set up friends. So well her, this tape.
          C) The bulk belt for M249 can, in principle, be assembled from links and cartridges. But no one will deal with this under combat conditions, since the matter is dreary and of little use in principle. If the tape is over, it is easier to take the store from a friend and use it in a machine gun. The benefit of the design allows.
          PySy: And about picking up tape on individual cartridges. Not difficult and not hard, I personally did this. Just long and dreary.
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 10 July 2020 12: 16 New
            -1
            Quote: ZeevZeev
            I will answer as a machine gunner.

            Machine gunner from the IDF, "where everything will be brought up and supplied with everything", rubs the machine gunner of the militia (NM) of the DPR about how it is"in a real war"is / will be ...
            Stuff 5 (FIVE ! RPKashnik wearable in stores equipped with) RPK-74 stores with 45 rounds each (totaling 225 rounds), "between fights" wassat .

            What is it like ? What kind of mini-micro fights is this?

            What about the tape? Love her, where do you get a new one? You’ll ask the enemy not to shoot or advance until "will not be brought up / brought up"?
            1. Zeev
              Zeev zeev 10 July 2020 13: 41 New
              -1
              So I served in the real army, and not in the militia. Where there are parts of supply, parts of support, transportation of fuel and ammunition. The interaction of this whole machine.
              I had 750 standard ammunition. Four drums with a tape of 150, two separate tapes of 60 rounds and a magazine with tracers just in case. And when the tapes were not brought up once during the exercises, I filled eight magazines with 29 rounds each, since the Negev machine gun was designed for this type of power and distributed it on load. I would like more stores, I would gain more.
              1. Insurgent
                Insurgent 11 July 2020 07: 55 New
                +2
                Quote: ZeevZeev
                So I served in the real army, and not in the militia.

                You, with your army, should rejoice silently, having Palestinian Arabs as opponents, and not fighters with our mentality ...
                They would try to “compete” with us, and immediately understand how it happens when the supply machine stalls, or even breaks down ...
                1. Zeev
                  Zeev zeev 11 July 2020 10: 59 New
                  -1
                  If the army acts in separate units, and not as a single organism, this is not an army, but a bunch of gangs.
                  About the "fighters with our mentality." The IDF fought with a bunch of armies for 72 years, including Soviet soldiers.
                  1. IS-80_RVGK2
                    IS-80_RVGK2 11 July 2020 19: 22 New
                    +2
                    Quote: ZeevZeev
                    The IDF fought with a bunch of armies for 72 years, including Soviet soldiers.

                    Could you elaborate on the heavy battles of the light elven tzahal with armies, corps, and divisions of hordes of bloody soviet communes?
                  2. Zeev
                    Zeev zeev 12 July 2020 08: 02 New
                    -1
                    Why division then? Air defense divisions, individual aviation regiments, a bunch of advisers sitting at the remote control air defense systems, at artillery positions, at the headquarters of battalions, regiments, divisions of the Syrian and Egyptian armies. And some kind of special cruelty was not observed for them. There was one case when the Soviet “Khabirs” handed over the shot down Israeli pilot to the Egyptians and calmly watched the prisoner being tortured before their eyes, well, it’s not they who tortured themselves, right?
      2. Saxahorse
        Saxahorse 10 July 2020 21: 19 New
        0
        Quote: Insurgent
        But where to get them full shops

        But isn’t it in the box? I saw these .. True red, plastic. But they shoot :)
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 11 July 2020 08: 21 New
          +4
          Quote: Saxahorse
          But isn’t it in the box? I saw these .. True red, plastic. But they shoot :)

          So they (shops), starting with AKM, went all plastic, “red” and “black” ...
          But at the same time,I never saw cartridges of cartridges with cartridges.

          "Zinc" + key opener, and pens, handles yes
          The tape will help fill the machine Rakov ...
          1. Saxahorse
            Saxahorse 11 July 2020 23: 17 New
            0
            Quote: Insurgent
            But at the same time, I never saw boxes of magazines with cartridges ...

            Sorry, I'm braking .. Alas, the time. Young stuffed, forgot about this nuance. hi
  • bunta
    bunta 10 July 2020 08: 47 New
    +2
    As always, 4K information chewing gum is about nothing. KM in its key.
    The 96-shooter is another stupid thing, if the 75-shooter did not find its place in the weapons system. Need a 60-drum drum!
    1. Glory1974
      Glory1974 10 July 2020 10: 27 New
      0
      The 96-shooter is another stupid thing, if the 75-shooter did not find its place in the weapons system. Need a 60-drum drum!

      The 60-charger for the machine gun is small. Let it be 96. If it’s hard to carry, equip half, if in a stationary position, equip to the maximum. You go in the woods, join the store from AK.
      The machine gun is adopted by the Rogvard. Combat experience has shown that such weapons are necessary at checkpoints and other types of actions.
      1. bunta
        bunta 10 July 2020 13: 01 New
        +2
        Quote: glory1974
        The machine gun is adopted by the Rogvard.

        Does the guard know about this? :)
  • About 2
    About 2 10 July 2020 08: 58 New
    +4
    Once upon a time, there was a drum-type store with a large capacity for the PKK, but the trouble was its reliability was low and that’s why it was removed from service and instead, as tambourine gun lovers say, they started making carob stores of a smaller capacity. Not so long ago, literally about 5 years ago in the Kalashnikov magazine there was an article where a small arms specialist named Ruslan Chumak described in detail the reliability problems of such stores and he also said that the creation of such stores was not possible in the future. However, time passes and the Kalashikov concern makes a similar store for RPK 16. I have no reason not to trust such a large expert in small arms as Chumak, then the question arises of what the Kalashnikov concern is seeking?
    1. psiho117
      psiho117 11 July 2020 20: 33 New
      +1
      Quote: Approximately 2
      then the question arises: what is the Kalashnikov concern seeking?

      Money bully They are now exclusively interested in them, and not at all logic and common sense.
      All the problems of the PKK (no matter what number) have been known for decades.
      And if KK continues to step on this rake again and again, then the diagnosis is clear ...
  • K-50
    K-50 10 July 2020 10: 19 New
    -1
    Moreover, as the source of RIA Novosti, the design of the machine gun does not allow to fulfill all the wishes of the military.

    I hope it’s not about a joint store and ribbon food. This is nothing but the complication and weighting and cost of construction does not carry.
    Sometimes the wishes of the military are very perverse and far-fetched. So they, especially, wishes, do not need to indulge.
    1. garri-lin
      garri-lin 10 July 2020 11: 21 New
      -2
      I agree. For weapons such as "machine gun compartment" combined food is unnecessary.
    2. Zeev
      Zeev zeev 10 July 2020 12: 07 New
      +1
      Yes, actually it doesn’t greatly complicate the design. And the benefits of being able to use both tape and shops are many.
  • KSVK
    KSVK 10 July 2020 11: 19 New
    +1
    The M-249 has 3 main problems: high rate of fire, high weight and low reliability.
    If the Kalashnikovs solve the problem of cooling (as on the PKP) of the trunk and do not engage in nonsense with tape power, and also do not overwhelm the device, then a very useful unit can turn out.
    A tambourine, unlike a tape, has a number of serious advantages. And if they decide the issue with the reliability of filing, there will be what the doctor ordered. smile
    And we are able to solve issues with shops. They solved the problem with the store under the welded cartridge for SVD. So there is hope.

    PS And the PKK except the barrel has differences in the receiver. It is reinforced, in contrast to the machine.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 10 July 2020 11: 51 New
      +3
      Quote: KSVK
      And we are able to solve issues with shops. They solved the problem with the store under the welded cartridge for SVD.

      The problem with the supply of a “welded cartridge” to the SVD was solved by using a magazine from a rifle of another designer, who also took part in a competition to create a sniper rifle.

      The store was a success for him, but there were problems in the rifle itself, for Dragunov, on the contrary, everything is in order with the rifle, and the ambush is with the store ...

      They made a compromise decision ...

      Quote: KSVK
      If the Kalashnikovs solve the problem of cooling (as on the PKP) of the trunk and do not engage in nonsense with tape power, and also do not overwhelm the device, then a very useful unit can turn out.


      Understanding that the article about the PKK "the brainchild of Izhevsk", one should not forget that for example there is Kovrov with the almost ready (but not loved by you) "Cord 5,45" with universal nutrition.
  • senima56
    senima56 10 July 2020 14: 34 New
    +3
    And what came up against this RPK-16? In fact, the same AK-12, only with a reinforced barrel and receiver! Put the bipod on the AK-12 (the “picatini” bar on the forend allows this!), Connect the “tambourine” for 95 rounds and here is the same RPK-16. At the same rate of fire!
    There is a topic "Turner-2", on which the Kovrov machine gun "Cord 5,45" was created with the possibility of magazine and tape power! Let's develop it and bring it if necessary!
    And then, as the “blinkered” rested: “Kalashnikov” at all times! "
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  • KSVK
    KSVK 10 July 2020 15: 18 New
    0
    Quote: Insurgent
    for example, there is Kovrov with a ready-made (but not loved by you) "Cord 5,45" with universal power.

    This is you slandering me.
    I deeply purple and KK and Carpets. I love Orsis. laughing
    But seriously, I don’t drink any “love” or hatred for any of the plants. And whose machine gun it will be all the same to me. Just to choose the really best. A combined diet IMHO is not needed. It leads to a rise in price, complication and weight gain. Yes, and still need to fill the tape somewhere. Tambourine IMHO just right.
    Quote: senima56 (Nikolai)
    In fact, the same AK-12, only with a reinforced barrel and receiver! Put the bipods on the AK-12 (the “picatini” bar on the fore-end allows this!), Connect the “tambourine” for 95 rounds and here is the same RPK-16. At the same rate of fire!

    Well, still not. In addition to a reinforced box and most likely a slightly different barrel, there is still the possibility of changing the barrel “on the knee”. What is important for a machine gun.
    1. senima56
      senima56 10 July 2020 22: 08 New
      0
      As for the "possibility of changing the very trunk" on the knee "", you have gone too far! "On the knee" you can change the trunk to RMB! And this is a completely different machine gun from the Kalashnikov. On RPK-16, a barrel change is possible, but the barrel does not change during the battle (it warmed up, changed, like on RMB), but it is installed before going on a mission! Depending on where the clash is ahead: if in urban conditions - set up a short barrel, if in an open area - long.
  • Pavel Amarok
    Pavel Amarok 10 July 2020 15: 52 New
    +1
    Quote: senima56
    And what came up against this RPK-16? In fact, the same AK-12, only with a reinforced barrel and receiver! Put the bipod on the AK-12 (the “picatini” bar on the forend allows this!), Connect the “tambourine” for 95 rounds and here is the same RPK-16. At the same rate of fire!
    There is a topic "Turner-2", on which the Kovrov machine gun "Cord 5,45" was created with the possibility of magazine and tape power! Let's develop it and bring it if necessary!
    And then, as the “blinkered” rested: “Kalashnikov” at all times! "

    So that's the point, comrade. The PKK was invented, they took the AK, sealed the barrel and receiver, slightly increased the store (then they also sawed the "snail") - and voila. A light machine gun is essentially an automatic machine at maximum speed. At least with us.
    1. Michael HORNET
      Michael HORNET 12 July 2020 22: 26 New
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      Do you need something more in the department?
      Who will carry the required number of cartridges for firing bursts in that direction?
      1. Pavel Amarok
        Pavel Amarok 12 July 2020 23: 38 New
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        Mikhail, in the USSR they considered what was needed. Another thing is that ammunition capacity and other performance characteristics may not fully correspond to reality. With regards to carrying b / c: the issue is purely motivational. More ammo - more likely to survive a clash. If you think so, then a sensible person with the instinct of self-preservation will not have problems with transportation.
  • Andrey.AN
    Andrey.AN 10 July 2020 17: 54 New
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    A machine gun from a machine gun should differ significantly in firepower, accuracy in the first place, and rate of fire, these indicators best affect the efficiency of a salvo and the speed of hitting targets, ammunition, the barrel’s resistance to overheating, and not inferior in reliability. Corrections in these indicators and ordered should be.
    1. senima56
      senima56 12 July 2020 19: 06 New
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      I agree with you almost completely. I read a lot of reviews about RPK-74. If to summarize everything, the conclusion is: "It does not give a fire advantage!" So the RPK-16 is the same - "no fire advantage"! I don’t think that on the “RPK scheme” you can significantly increase the rate of fire and create that very “fire advantage”! Need a new idea. Why not develop the Cord 5,45 ?!
      1. Michael HORNET
        Michael HORNET 12 July 2020 22: 28 New
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        Advantages against whom? RPK-74 / RPK-16 allows single or short bursts to destroy a target at ranges up to 600 m with a much greater probability than from AK-74, from a prone position
        This is an accurate battle rifle with the possibility of intensive shooting and even burst fire. Marxman in a modern way
        1. gross kaput
          gross kaput 13 July 2020 22: 57 New
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          Quote: Michael HORNET
          in bursts to destroy the target at ranges up to 600 m with a much greater probability than from AK-74, from a prone position
          This is an accurate battle rifle with the possibility of intensive shooting and even burst fire. Marxman in a modern way

          Misha urgently, if it’s not too late - remember one simple thing - it’s not Vasya Pupkin and the Mishka the machine gunner who are fighting - the UNIT is fighting, and each unit soldier carries out his tasks - she is the only one with the machine gunner from the RPK - to support his unit by carrying out the MULTI fire, but with this the PKK is doing badly. And if there is some stupid person who, for example, during the storming of the building, instead of working to suppress the windows, starts somewhere out there some 600 goals to heal, then in the best case he just gets a helmet.
          1. Droid
            Droid 18 July 2020 08: 54 New
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            UNIT is fighting

            And the unit has a combat vehicle with an automatic gun and PKT with ammunition in 2000 rounds.
            the machine gunner with the PKK has one - to support his unit by firing machine-gun fire, but with this the PKK is doing badly.

            As it turned out, he has no such task. In addition, we already have experience operating a tape machine gun with an intermediate cartridge - RPD. And from this experience they got rid of him as soon as they made the PKK. I also advise you to look in the manuals for RPD and RPK machine guns, there you can see that their combat rate of fire is the same - up to 150 rpm, despite the difference in weight and type of power. This is all because the main fire mode of manual machine gun bursts of 5-7 shots, and not a waste in the entire store / tape. For tra-ta-ta there was the State Medical Library, and then the PKT.
            1. gross kaput
              gross kaput 27 July 2020 14: 53 New
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              Quote: Droid
              As it turned out, he does not have such a task.

              By whom? By you personally? Study the combat regulations at your leisure.
              Quote: Droid
              And the unit has a combat vehicle with an automatic gun and PKT with ammunition in 2000 rounds.

              The same military regulations, in the early ones there was such a section - "special forms of battle" - forest, city, etc. now a separate section has been abolished, but the description of these forms of combat remains.
              Quote: Droid
              I also advise you to look at the manuals for RPD and RPK machine guns, where you can see that their combat rate of fire is the same - up to 150 rpm

              I also advise you to look that for the RPD the maximum shot without cooling is given at 300, and for the RPK it is shyly hushed up, but in fact it is no more than 180-200 due to spontaneous ignition in the chamber. If we are talking about the mass, then the equipped snail for 75 rounds for RPK weighs 2,15 kg, a can with a tape for 100 for RPD 2,4 bq in 300 pieces for RPK in snails will weigh 8,6 kg for RPD in tapes and cans 7,2 kg - i.e. in the complex, machine guns with bk will weigh the same.
              This is all garbage - the main thing is efficiency - so I advise you to realize that with a higher technical rate of fire of 700 v / m versus 600 for the RPK, the tabular amount of ammunition required to defeat typical targets in the RPD is less, as an example, for a chest figure by 400 meters for RPD, the consumption of 4 rounds for RPK 6 rounds - actually there are plates in the NSD - study them at your leisure.
              Quote: Droid
              And from this experience they got rid of him as soon as the PKK was made.

              Knowledge of history is not your strongest side - the competition for a new machine gun of the squad started in parallel with the competition for a new machine gun in 1955, the main requirements were to reduce the labor intensity of manufacture and weight in comparison with the RPD, several handbrakes with belt and combined power were developed for this competition, but in 1957, the competitions were combined by setting the task of creating a UNIFIED family of machine gun / light machine gun, while there was no requirement for the type of power supply - for example, the Korobovsky TKB-516M had a combined power supply tape / magazine. But the PKK won, not due to outstanding characteristics, but due to unification with AKM.
              1. Droid
                Droid 27 July 2020 21: 49 New
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                By whom?

                Than. Manual machine gun.
                The same military regulations, in the early ones there was such a section - "special forms of battle" - forest, city, etc.

                For this, if necessary, there was a PC in the machine-gun platoons of the company, which was made at the same time as the RPK.

                I also advise you to look that for RPD the maximum shot without cooling is given at 300,

                I also advise you to read not only one single comment. My other comment says about it. And this is not the maximum shot, but continuous fire

                but for the PKK it is shyly hushed up, but in fact it is no more than 180-200 due to spontaneous combustion in the chamber.

                RPK is capable of shooting 300 rounds of rounds without subsequent self-ignition of the cartridge in the chamber. And this should not be confused with continuous fire. This immediately shows the attitude of people in GAU, who generalized the experience of the war, to the handbrake with a tape. Especially against a background of 150 rpm.
                Checking the absence of spontaneous ignition of the cartridge remaining in the chamber after firing a full ammunition (for an assault rifle - 180 and a machine gun - 300 shots) showed that, according to this indicator, only Kalashnikov's weapons met the requirements (in Korobov and Konstantinov's assault rifles, self-ignition of machine guns and machine gun Degtyarev-Garanin after 150).
                Yuri Ponomarev Battle of three "K"


                those. in the complex, machine guns with bk will weigh the same.

                The machine gunner is holding not a complex, but a machine gun with a box / tambourine. And carrying 9 kg or 6,8 kg in your hands is a big difference.

                This is all garbage - the main thing is efficiency - so I advise you to realize that with a higher technical rate of fire of 700 v / m versus 600 for the RPK, the tabular amount of ammunition required to defeat typical targets in the RPD is less, as an example, for a chest figure by 400 meters for RPD, the consumption of 4 rounds for RPK 6 rounds - actually there are plates in the NSD - study them at your leisure.

                I quote ...
                The effectiveness of fire of all tested machine guns, both when repelling an enemy attack with long bursts of fire with the dispersion of bullets along the front, and when firing in short bursts with the transfer of fire from target to target, is almost the same and is equivalent to that of a standard RPD machine gun.
                Yuri Ponomarev Battle of three "K"


                It is not enough to look at the plates in the NSD, one must also understand why such numbers are written in them. I can poke at that place right in the plate and explain what the difference is and why the table efficiency is the same for them. This requires only one single formula showing how the consumption of cartridges for hitting a target with at least one bullet is calculated and everything falls into place.

                basic requirements were reduction labor intensity of manufacturing and mass compared to RPD,

                I marked it in bold. The competition was on easy handbrake. A light handbrake doesn't need a tape, it just doesn't fire as hard. And if we don't need the tape, then we can throw out the receiver and tape drive mechanism and lighten the moving parts of the automation because they no longer need to pull the tape. Those. the machine gun is lightened additionally. That is why the empty RPK weighs 1,9 kg lighter than the RPD. And unification is an added bonus. Not a machine gun was made easier for the sake of unification, but unification became possible because a light handbrake does not need a tape and can be unified with a machine gun.
                1. gross kaput
                  gross kaput 31 August 2020 00: 02 New
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                  Quote: Droid
                  RPK is capable of shooting 300 rounds of rounds without the subsequent self-ignition of the cartridge in the chamber.

                  Come on, did you personally check it? Shoot four tambourines at a fast pace and leave the cartridge in the chamber for 5 minutes then we'll talk.
                  Quote: Droid
                  The machine gunner is holding not a complex, but a machine gun with a box / tambourine.

                  A machine gunner with a handbrake does not have a second number and carries both a machine gun and a b / c on his hump, it is strange that you do not understand this.
                  1. Droid
                    Droid 31 August 2020 08: 25 New
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                    Come on, did you personally check it?

                    The test results.
                    Checking the absence of spontaneous ignition of the cartridge remaining in the chamber after firing a full ammunition (for an assault rifle - 180 and a machine gun - 300 shots) showed that, according to this indicator, only Kalashnikov's weapons met the requirements (in Korobov and Konstantinov's assault rifles, self-ignition of machine guns and machine gun Degtyarev-Garanin after 150).

                    Quote: gross kaput
                    A machine gunner with a handbrake does not have a second number and carries both a machine gun and a b / c on his hump,

                    Exactly. And to drag not on the hump, but directly in the hands of 9 kg or 6,8, or even 5,6 is a big difference. Even with the same kit weight. It is strange that they do not understand this. Apparently not dragged.
                    At the same time, fans of RPDs should carefully read how reloading is performed, for example, on the go.

                    And compare that to the PKK. Questions about why they have the same practical rate of fire will immediately disappear. RPK, even with sector shops at 40, gives the same practical rate of fire as RPD. Because changing a sector store takes 3 times less time than changing a box with a tape and loading it.
      2. Andrey.AN
        Andrey.AN 14 July 2020 14: 22 New
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        The machine gun must necessarily have the advantage, if its indicators do not discourage it from arguing with him, to challenge dominance outside the shelter, then he does not do his job - to squeeze, so that their heads are not raised.
      3. Andrey.AN
        Andrey.AN 14 July 2020 15: 11 New
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        There is still an alternative, thank God, the AGS is cooler than a minigun. Especially if you have a tablet with GLANAS and healthy receivers with a compass and other map bindings.
  • Andrey.AN
    Andrey.AN 10 July 2020 18: 09 New
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    Perhaps RPK-16 was spoiled by trunks of different lengths, different energies for one machine require a compromise, and a compromise is not what we need.
  • Saxahorse
    Saxahorse 10 July 2020 21: 26 New
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    Foreign experience shows that a machine gun under a low-pulse cartridge with the possibility of magazine and tape power can be useful to troops. Several samples of this kind have been adopted and receive good reviews.

    A little higher they already reminded that in reality, Minimi received sharply negative reviews from the US Marine Corps. The number of failures of the FN Minimi significantly exceeds that of the M-16 or M-4, and most importantly, the Marines note a large number of problems with the tape! The reloading of the tape in the battle turned out to be the weakest point of Minimi, many fighters note either the incorrectly inserted tape or (more often) the suddenly missed tape the end of which has to be re-searched in a soft rolling bag under enemy fire. In general, the comments of the Marines are survivors barely on the verge of tolerance :)
    1. Zeev
      Zeev zeev 11 July 2020 00: 50 New
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      I don’t know what they write to you, but for “Minimi” the Americans use plastic boxes with an already laid tape, the end of which is equipped with plastic garbage sticking out. I connected the box, pulled the garbage and put it on the tape receiver. What does the "soft rolling bag" have to do with it?
      1. Saxahorse
        Saxahorse 11 July 2020 23: 10 New
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        Quote: ZeevZeev
        What does the "soft rolling bag" have to do with it?

        Look at the photo in the article .. laughing

        FN Minimi Para machine gun with a telescopic sight, quick-detachable interchangeable barrel, a set of magazines in pouches and folding fabric boxes-pouches for tapes


        There are also plastic boxes for 200 rounds, but the main thing is a soft bag with a ribbon.
        1. Zeev
          Zeev zeev 12 July 2020 07: 49 New
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          In fact, the plastic box is standard equipment, and the non-standard "soft bag" has a completely rigid top and a special clip so that the tape does not fall inside.
          1. Saxahorse
            Saxahorse 12 July 2020 22: 10 New
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            Quote: ZeevZeev
            and a special retainer so that the tape does not fall inward.

            I myself didn’t run with Minimi; Believe what they compose?
            1. Zeev
              Zeev zeev 13 July 2020 07: 44 New
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              I believe that the translation is literary, not actual.
  • KSVK
    KSVK 10 July 2020 22: 26 New
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    Quote: senima56
    As for the "possibility of changing the very trunk" on the knee "", you have gone too far! "On the knee" you can change the trunk to RMB! And this is a completely different machine gun from the Kalashnikov. On RPK-16, a barrel change is possible, but the barrel does not change during the battle (it warmed up, changed, like on RMB), but it is installed before going on a mission! Depending on where the clash is ahead: if in urban conditions - set up a short barrel, if in an open area - long.

    Excuse me, have you seen RPK-16 adopted for service? And I have not seen. There is a competition and improvements.
    And the fact that the CURRENT sample does not provide for a quick change of barrel IMHO is a big mistake. AND POSSIBLE it is with this that a significant alteration of the structure is associated. And not at all in the nutrition scheme. In general, we will wait for the next generation. Then we will discuss. Nothing yet. smile
  • Solid Snake
    Solid Snake 10 July 2020 23: 39 New
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    Here they often refer to the prototype machine gun "Cord-5,45". So, if you had carefully looked for information about him, you would have found (in the Kalashnikov magazine) that he weighs a lot to disgrace, almost comparable to RMB. The question is, why do we need a Cord-5,45, if there is a RMB that weighs about the same, with much more serious fire characteristics (not to mention production advantages).
    1. gross kaput
      gross kaput 12 July 2020 10: 39 New
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      Quote: Solid Snake
      that it weighs a lot to disgrace, almost comparable to RMB

      Come on!? And if you compare with minimi? Somehow it happened that a weapon without ammunition doesn’t shoot - but if you compare it with RMB, but not with a bare one and with a tape of 100 and a turner with a tape of 100? wink
      Quote: Solid Snake
      with much more serious fire characteristics

      Much more serious fire characteristics are limited by the weight of the second-hand gun, heating, handling — each machine gun has its own niche — why do you think the USSR Armed Forces didn’t follow the example of the Hans and entered PC / RMC into each compartment, but instead entered into the compartments RPD / RPK bringing handbrake under rifle cartridges to the platoon / company level? And why did the Americans first come to the minimis in the departments, taking the M60 / M240 to the company level, and then the chances pulled up as well, transferring the MG3 / MG5 to the company level, giving the MG4 branches under 5,56?
      As regards the Kord-RPK16 confrontation, unfortunately, it is more preferable as a support weapon at the level of the KORD branch, no matter how hard they try to pull the owl onto the globe i.e. to create a handbrake based on AK all the same, the effectiveness of such an ersatz will be lower than that of a full-fledged machine gun under the same cartridge.
      Actually, this happened in many countries — the USA LSW / LMG — reworking the M16, Germany MG36 based on the G36, Great Britain L86LSW based on the L85 — as a result, in all countries they came up with a fully-designed machine gun but with a machine-gun cartridge, in fact, we did it in half centuries before they adopted the RPD, which unfortunately was stolen for the sake of unification of the PKK / AKM.
  • cdrt
    cdrt 11 July 2020 01: 35 New
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    That's right, the machine gun is:
    Quick change barrel
    Tape feed
    Shooting with an open shutter.
    Therefore, they requested a remake
  • mmaxx
    mmaxx 15 July 2020 18: 31 New
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    With the use of tapes on such machine guns, everything is not so clear. In the 70s, they tested a machine gun based on a dual-power RPK. They refused. For tactical reasons. Decided that the shops are better. Changed the RPD at one time in many ways for the same reasons. The Americans are also not very happy with Minimi.
    In general, everyone who really fights on light machine guns has a mixed attitude to the tape.
  • Alex.ET
    Alex.ET 5 August 2020 12: 00 New
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    Normal modernization, the article clearly indicates the purpose of interchangeable barrels - long (standard) for the field and short for special conditions - no replacements in battle. Technologies are improving - maybe at the current level of development the "tambourine" will be quite reliable. Plus optics and a very good upgrade is obtained.

    And at the expense of the tape power supply already answered - "the unit is at war", and it has a bpm / armored personnel carrier. Now a 100-mm gun has appeared in the squad in addition to a 30-mm one - the power is huge compared to a machine gun, i.e. the role of shooters has fallen even more and it is stupidity to fence a garden with a ribbon. For combined arms combat, the configuration is now quite normal and nothing fundamentally new is seen in order to change the current weapons. Moreover, to enhance / increase the firepower of the squad, everything has been invented for a long time - under-barrel and disposable grenade launchers. It is not economically expedient to spend money on the shooter, and war is, first of all, "money, money and money."

    Another thing is special forces, etc., those who are without equipment and / or in isolation from supply and / or other nuances, so it may well come in handy with a belt machine gun under 5,45, tk. will allow you to load more on yourself.

    I get the feeling that the problem is in psychology ... It's all about the name "rp" => hand-held machine gun, in the word "machine gun" there are unjustified expectations, so there are a lot of complaints, although in fact the MANUAL machine gun does an excellent job with its responsibilities.

    And why is nothing heard about 4-row magazines for 40/60 rounds ?!