MLRS "Tornado-G" in the 20th Motorized Rifle Brigade

The website vlg-media.ru of the Volga-Media information company of the Volgograd Region Administration has a report on new 122-mm multiple launch rocket systems 9К51М Tornado-G, which entered the 20-th separate guards motorized rifle brigade deployed in Volgograd Russian army. It was reported that 18 combat vehicles of this system, produced by Motovilikhinskiye Zavody, entered the jet artillery division of the brigade in April 2012, and that this is the first Tornado-G in service with the Southern Military District.

"The Tornado multiple launch rocket system is a modification of the Grad MLRS, but unlike its predecessor, the Tornado-G has an increased range of fire due to the use of new projectiles and an increased rate of bringing the system into combat readiness due to the installed automation," said the commander of the third rocket artillery battery, Captain Anatoly Grinev. - The new projectiles allow firing at a distance of 40 km from the target, while at the old ones the firing range was about 27 km. It is also worth noting that even for the Tornado-G and the new shells are produced, he is also able to fire with shells designed for the Grad system. ”

Due to the automated systems installed in the Tornado-G, the speed of deployment and aiming of the entire system is reduced several times, while the crew’s combat crew’s work is reduced only to monitoring the systems, and only in extreme cases if the automation is destroyed or broken then the crew must manually target the target. "

"The new system" Tornado-G "automatically produces targeting according to the data obtained from the satellite. If an abnormal situation occurs, the guidance must be done manually. It is produced directly from the cab of the car in a matter of minutes, which the famous “Grad” did not have, said the junior sergeant Igor Goryushkin, commander of the 3-th calculation of the first fire platoon. - It makes the task much easier. All control of the salvo fire system is simplified, which allows you to do everything many times faster. ”

Fighting vehicles MLRS 9K51M "Tornado-G" from the 20-th separate Guards motorized rifle brigade. Volgograd, July 2012 of the year (c) Volga-Media / vlg-media.ru

Comments

[kotdavin4i]

The good news is that progress is not on the spot ... But it would be nice to make the car at least lightly armored - military operations are not always conducted in comfortable conditions, if the enemy is hit by a deployed or moving battery, the vehicle will fail even from fragments shells, the same with the personnel ..

[kapitan_21]

kotdavin4iI agree with you
the armored version of the "Tornado-G" MLRS would definitely do the trick for us!
In general, when new modern equipment arrives in the troops, this is a very good trend! I propose not to stop there! )))

[Tatars]

On the typhoon’s chassis it’s fine

[dreamer]

From the same series

The latest artillery will be tested in southern Russia

3 August 2012, 13: 59

As part of the exercises of the Southern Military District (Southeast Military District) military personnel for the first time use the latest self-propelled artillery guns "Hosta", said on Friday the head of the press service of the Southern Military District Colonel Igor Gorbul.

«For the first time, the Khosta’s latest self-propelled artillery guns with doubled firing range will be used at camp camps ”- quotes Gorbulya "Interfax".

He added that they will also fired from the new 122-mm multiple launch rocket system "Tornado-G", which in terms of combat effectiveness 2,5-3 times superior to its predecessors due to the power of ammunition, range, accuracy of battle, the accuracy of the automated aiming system and satellite guidance.

According to Gorbul, In total, more than 9 thousand military personnel, more than 1,5 thousand units of weapons and military equipment, including about 400 artillery pieces, 150 units of multiple launch rocket systems and 150 mortars, were involved in artillery charges in the South-Eastern Military District.т

[damba]

I don’t know, I don’t know, I remember there was news that tornado-g systems would hit a range of 60-100 km (this was also indicated by the Hermes- complex (range 40-100 km) that could have been used as the basis for RVV- missiles AE whose dimensions and weight were almost the same so it can be either an argument (due to ignorance of information) because one Hurricane-220mm hits 40-50km and a tornado is 90-100 while Chinese copies are even weaker in power and they hit exactly 122mm-40-60km 220-240mm-80-130km 300-330mm-almost 200km and the largest 400mm-400km also needs to be taken into account. This means that we have a shortage of information

[Splin]

Now go minus. Explain how the revolutionary Tordado-G differs from the Georgian MLRS
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[1976AG]

No need to compare photographs. The difference in accuracy of shooting, guidance, target designation, area of ​​destruction, reaction time, that is, in combat effectiveness. And China also produced Kalashniki and Grad, but everyone appreciated our production.

[GG2012]

Dear colleagues!
Explain to the uninitiated why the exhaust pipe was picked up in front under the bumper ?!
And if they go into the pit, then the exhaust will fly to hell. You don’t have to ride on asphalt ...

And so in general the machine chorus-r-r-rosh !!!

[urich]

Quote: GG2012

Explain to the uninitiated why the exhaust pipe was picked up in front under the bumper ?!

The principle is the same as on tankers. Exhaust fumes while driving and in the parking lot can bring additional heat to the running rails. In order to increase safety measures, the exhaust pipe with spark arrester was demolished forward ..

[Splin]

Actually, the exhaust was carried forward on gasoline "Ruslans" Ural-375, and it seemed that it was more compact and protected by a grill.

[Lieutenant colonel]

Such a system also stands on later tankers that Ural that KAMAZ. Probably the chassis was taken according to the principles that it was, the classical system will not have a special thermal load on the equipped guides, the guides are high, the engine will get especially in the south. But the protection of the exhaust system as at 375 is clearly not enough. In general, with the new UARAL, I personally have a lot of questions regarding the layout - explain who knows - why did they lift the cab? Really it was impossible to lower the engine, remove the filter housing inside (to execute it not round but flat or another shape, I understand that there will be a certain difficulty in supplying it all the same). Loading new urals (bodywork) has become worse - the floor level is higher, and our fighters are not particularly tall.

[GG2012]

For urich Today, 16:00 ↑ new
Thank you for the enlightenment.

[PLO]

the most important
new missiles and ASUNO

ps and the guides can even be put on the tank, the whole thing is necessary

[Splin]

Just critics wrote a lot about the Georgian MLRS. But in fact, she, like Tornado-G and Ukrainian Bastion-01, uses new projectiles that are capable of firing with jewelry accuracy, thanks to the satellite system. at a distance of up to 40 km. Rocking is also induced in automatic mode. All this is the merit of the Jews, not of the Georgians themselves, because it’s impossible to compare this production with Chinese consumer goods.
I expected that Tornado-G would have a modular artillery, but nothing new happened. The Czechs and those moved forward.

[PLO]

Georgian in RSZO only name
if they even set up production of their own rockets ...

I expected that Tornado-G would have a modular artillery, but nothing new happened.

I do not agree with you

indeed, such a modernization had to be carried out 10 years ago, although the tornado-g okr began in the 90s
However, tornado-g is the most budgetary option of the North-Eastern Federal District, they do not make new ones
actually capitalize and modernize the block of guides and put on a new chassis
it’s cheap and cheerful, however it fully fulfills its tasks

hail and tornado-g is intended for arming reactive divisions of combined arms (motorized rifle) brigades, in which artillery is currently represented by 2s3 acacias and hailstones
the range of these systems is sufficient to support the brigade
replace hail / tornado-g with tornadoes or hurricanes excessively

another thing is artillery brigades with armaments (self-propelled and towed) and hurricanes / tornadoes
that's where the new modular rzzo Uragan-1M is needed, in which in the future it will be possible to realize universality similar to the Israeli Links, since the BAZ chassis allows a lot of things to be installed

[Splin]

I won’t even argue. It is clear that you are distant from artillery, as I am from formula 1 Grad-in exchange for Acacia!

[PLO]

Are you sure you were in school?
Can you read?

City in return for Acacia!

Where did I write this?

[Splin]

Yes, I remember for a long time how I replaced Pinocchio with a bottle for a bottle .. When were Grads listed in the infantry brigade? Acacia and even Carnation its level. Grad is a prerogative of artillery regiments. And there are only a whole division of them .. So teach the dearest materiel.

[PLO]

MDE .. and you are not familiar with the OSH of new separate motorized rifle brigades
google
for example 19 omsbr
materiel apparently still you need to update

[Splin]

No one has canceled the regiments, and the structure of the brigade depends on the location. In general, the brigade in size is 2-3 battalions larger than the regiment. Only a regiment is a unit, and a brigade is a unit. A separate Grad divisions do not exist to be part of this composition. Rimbat brigade will not master such a motley connection + An automotive company will not be able to provide ammunition. But what Taburetkin came up with does not count.

[PLO]

But what Taburetkin came up with does not count.

Unfortunately, exactly what Taburetkin came up with
and your thoughts on this site about effectiveness will not have any effect on the army

case study 19
200msbr
if desired, I can find proofs on another five brigades about which I read
there are 2 self-propelled howitzer divisions (MSTA-s or acacia)
and 1 reactive artillery (BM-21)

you didn’t even have the mind to understand that before you accuse someone of stupidity it is worth reading the name of the topic

MLRS "Tornado-G" in the 20th Motorized Rifle Brigade

No one has canceled the shelves

still canceled
there are only battalions in the brigades, maybe they stayed somewhere, but most likely this is dictated by local circumstances

ps still practice reading, dear (?), the alphabet is still better than a bottle

[Splin]

It was stupid to transfer to such a brigade system. The result was a mixture of a bulldog with a rhino. I will give you a link about the construction of the corps and brigade systems in Ukraine (the bastards do not want to make Russian the second language on the site). Here we came to such a formation correctly, taking into account the experience of SA
Hello Taburentkin!
http://mil.in.ua/suchoputni-viyska/suchoputni-viyska-zbroynych-syl-ukrayiny

[PLO]

It was stupid to transfer to such a brigade system.

that's what I don’t know, I don’t know
there are really more negative reviews

[Flooding]

Thanks to the author for the photos!
Finally, something reliable. And then the media has so much fooled ...
So, no unnecessary unification of the wheelbase for all calibers.
It is very pleasing. Beauties, worthy successors of the City.
And the armor for the MLRS - the question, in my opinion, is very controversial.
For Georgians, one should definitely not be equal in this regard.

[TiGRoO]

Who said it was a "tornado"? The photo shows an ordinary modernized "Grad".
"Tornado - G" looks different (I'm talking about the weapon itself, not a wheeled platform)

[Flooding]

TiGRoO,

To begin with, Tornado-G is essentially a modernized City.
Secondly, this photo went around the entire Internet, but there is absolutely nothing specific about it. Why isn't Tornado-U in the photo, for example?
It’s quite obvious to me that in the image you posted, the new system has a more powerful caliber than 122 mm. About the photo you can judge that there are about 24 guides on the BM.
Thirdly, according to which program Grad was modernized, if you really believe your words?

Quote: TiGRoO

The photo shows the usual modernized "Grad"

Too much filling, I have not heard about such a modernization. And you?

[TiGRoO]

See below why it is not "Tornado-U" and "Tornado-S".
Here is "Tornado-S"

Yes, I heard, or rather read the news, a year ago. I also saw a video, on the Zvezda channel they showed these Grads, with such a filling (with control from the cockpit).
These modernized MLRS are now being delivered in parts, they have not yet accepted the Tornado. Since May 2012, "Tornado" is being tested.
MLRS "Tornado" is a modular system, in my photos it is perfectly visible.

[PLO]

"Tornado - G" looks different (I'm talking about the weapon itself, not a wheeled platform)

you are not right

in the photo it’s Tornado-G, actually upgraded Grad with the installation of ASUNO and new missiles
ordinary Grad from Tornado-G can be distinguished by the box under the guide block, it just contains ASUNO

Tornado-S is also an upgrade of old Tornadoes according to the same scheme (automation and new missiles)

In the photo you have a bored caliber MLRS Uragan-1M
2x15 220mm packages can be used on it (in your photo) and 2x6 300mm
status: tested

[coast]

what a common hail on photos

[TiGRoO]

“Tornado-G” - (G-Grad) modification with a module for shells 122 mm. 2 packages of 15 shells
“Tornado-U” - (U-Hurricane) modification with a module for shells 220 mm. 2 packages of 8 shells
“Tornado-S” - (С- Tornado modification with a module for 300 mm shells. 2 packages of 6 shells

[Flooding]

TiGRoO,

What do you want to say?
What exactly in this form of MLRS taken into service? No. There is no such information.
What guides should be of container type? There was such information in the media. But again, not a fact. Because no one has reliable information except the developer and the Ministry of Defense.
But as soon as the photos appeared from the unit that had adopted the Tornado-G, you took out dusty photos from the Internet, which really are not known. There were only speculations.
And therefore, answer the question:

Quote: Flood

Too much filling, I have not heard about such a modernization. And you?

[TiGRoO]

Answered above ...
And yet, if you are not in the know, this does not mean that this is not
PS Think what is the point of calling the modernized "Grad" by the name "Tornado-G"?
Even a person who is completely remote from the military theme, it comes to mind that the abbreviation "G" stands for Grad.
Therefore, Tornado-S and Tornado-U are Hurricane and Tornado.
Is it logical? - Yes!
Now the photo (Tornado-G and Tornado-S) and all the news about the modularity of the new MLRS, hint to you and me that the "tornado" is not what is shown above in the article.

[Flooding]

Quote: TiGRoO

PS Think what is the point of calling the modernized "Grad" by the name "Tornado-G"?
Even a person who is completely remote from the military theme, it comes to mind that the abbreviation "G" stands for Grad.
Therefore, Tornado-S and Tornado-U are Hurricane and Tornado.

I really didn’t understand what you wanted to say.
That is, the T-90 is not a modernization of the T-72?
And Tornado-G is not the development and modernization of the City, but is there a fundamentally new development? And all this you draw from two or three photographs?
The argument is over.

[beard999]

Quote: TiGRoO

that the "tornado" is not what is shown above in the article.

In the article under discussion, in the pictures of BM 2B17M, it is from the 9K51M Tornado-G structure http://ria.ru/tv_defense_safety/20120731/713703430.html.
In general, the Tornado is a modernization program for the Grad and Smerch combatant MLRS, which are respectively designated 9K51M Tornado-G and 9K515 Tornado-S. Tornado systems are often confused with the 9K512 Uragan-1M MLRS, which although it has the old designation (Hurricane), but in fact, it is this system that is created from scratch, and it is initially bicalibrated (on its BM 9A53, located on the MZKT-7930 chassis, two TPKs 9Я288 (15x220 mm) are installed http://vif2ne.ru/nvk/forum/files/Chatskiy/(090406182154)_9A53_01.jpeg or two TPKs 9Я295 (6х300 mm) http: / /vif2ne.ru/nvk/forum/files/Chatskiy/(090406182229)_9A53_02.jpeg).
The fact that the “Tornado-G / S” and “Hurricane-1M” are two different things, the military itself has long said. In the magazine "RVO" from 11/2009, Lieutenant General Bogatinov, in particular, said:
“The CREATION of the NEW Uragan-1M multiple launch rocket system with batch loading, which allows the use of the entire ammunition of standard and developed rockets of the Uragan and Smerch rocket launchers, is being completed, with the development of a new 220-mm rocket with increased accuracy and accuracy.
MODERNIZATION of MLRS “Smerch” (“Tornado-S”) is being carried out in the part of guidance and aiming automation, creation of new missiles of increased range up to 120 km and firing accuracy due to the introduction of an inertial guidance system and GLONASS satellite navigation equipment. The upgrade of the Grad MLRS (Tornado-G) is being carried out in the direction of guidance and aiming automation, and the creation of a new high-power missile. ”
Now, as for the loading options for the Tornado. Such options are also available. “Fusion”, at various exhibitions, repeatedly presented the option of batch loading for the 122 mm MLRS (exclusively in the form of drawings) http://epizodsspace.airbase.ru/bibl/shirokorad/ot-min/v41.jpg, and for 300 mm MLRS - TPK 9Y295 (in the form of a full-scale sample) http://www.finamauto.ru/files_jpg/kamaz12(5568).jpg. Actually, what to put on the upgraded BM systems “Tornado” - the artillery unit in the form of a package of guides or replace it with TPK, completely depends on the customer (Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation). As you can see, so far, in particular for 9K51M, the classic version with a guide package has been selected. At the same time, in any case, with the modernization of the Tornado-G combat drill, bicalibration is not provided.

[PLO]

In the article under discussion, in the pictures of BM 2B17M, it is from the 9K51M Tornado-G
http://ria.ru/tv_defense_safety/20120731/713703430.html

But I'm interested in where the third person from the calculation is sitting (two in the cockpit)?

[alex86]

Now, if all this was in the article, then it would be possible not to bicker - Tornado - not Tornado ...

[PLO]

you are not right
read above

[Flooding]

TiGRoO,

Where? I asked you to answer what "usual" modernization of the City did you mean.
Silence. Okay, I will answer.
What the Tornado developers promised was increased power missiles (increased firing range and, possibly, a devastating effect), increased firing accuracy, reduced time for putting into combat readiness, response (determination, adjustment of coordinates) due to the filling.
Are the packet guides lit up on the internet in this case an important factor? No.
They are needed only to replace, if necessary, calibers on the same base (multi-caliber system).
What kind of need is this? After all, the priorities of the calibers are different. And the bases must be consistent with priorities.
I think that this is rather a tribute to fashion.
You say that since there are no packages, it means no Tornado. And I insist that a tornado is, first and foremost, an increase in military power.

[TiGRoO]

I may be wrong, but I'm still not sure if this article is really "tornado-g".

[Flooding]

Quote: TiGRoO

I may be wrong, but I'm still not sure if this article is really "tornado-g".

I, too, may be mistaken, there is very little information. Possible intermediate cheaper version of the new system (or upgrade the old to the characteristics of the new).

Related video (link from the same bmpd site): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPhi_CgAQxg
People write that modular systems are other developments of the MLRS.

[black_eagle]

As far as I understood, everyone was confused only by the name of the system, they say, nothing fundamentally new, but already a new name, well, maybe, at the expense of the guidance system and increasing the automation, they could have tried more seriously, there is no need to book a cabin, they are located on the front line, and booking is weighting, increased fuel consumption, and so on. We all judge by appearance, since there is no way to look "under the hood" and the most common "Grad"

[alex86]

"The most ordinary" Grad "in appearance" - I absolutely agree, it is pointless to break spears about "Tornado-G" or not. In earlier descriptions of the "Tornado", the main emphasis was always on multi-caliber, and sometimes on the simultaneous presence of packages of 2 calibers at the same time (which surprised me extremely). Here, without any doubt, we have the development (version) of the Grad, and on the same base - the Ural - with a high (albeit outwardly slightly reduced) center of gravity (there was Grad on Zila with a reduced number of guides and a different scheme of their fastening and lifting, as they called - I don't remember, I didn't like it because of the smaller number of guides and the range of native ammunition reduced to 15 km, although I could shoot at 21, now I think I was wrong) - and so the loaded BM-21 easily lay on its side on a country road ... The fact that the car has received significant improvements - well, no doubt, the issue of booking - you always want more protection, but is it always advisable. And the name "Tornado-G" in relation to the shown car - I think it was a stupid move of those who really wanted to brag, but had nothing, that became the Tornado City. As a tedious thing - the range of 40 km for the Grad has existed for some time and has nothing to do with the Tornado, I have not heard about the range of 27 km (maybe it was), the Grad has a range of 20,4 km without exceeding the target, for cars based on Zil and Gas-66 range 15 km.

[rumpeljschtizhen]

They have repeatedly written about this why they didn’t make the cabin for the whole crew not armored ??? ..... the Georgians turned out to have a better car in this regard.
Che for saving ....

[Andrey77]

Why armor? Are you going to attack the MLRS?

[rumpeljschtizhen]

DearAndrey77 it isn’t necessary to attack it, but ballistic and bulletproof armor is needed ... in case of shelling so that the crew survives and the machine is not incapacitated by small fragments (all over the world) ... yes, containers with missiles must be protected.
And the whole crew should be in a protected cabin ...

for example

[Splin]

Quote: rumpeljschtizhen

yes missile containers must be protected.

So I expected that in Tornado-G there will be such a modular loading.

[rumpeljschtizhen]

Totally agree with you Splin the fact that in Tornado G is not in transport launch containers either. it’s not cool again our people want to shoot old stocks ...
(and charge the boys again manually ...) forever we have weight like half measures ....
there was a big article here. on the results of the collection of artillerymen, they specifically described what they needed .... both about command vehicles and about the cabin for the whole crew and about armor ... and transport launch containers .......
as well as one disappointment

[Eugene]

EMNIP a number of modular systems cannot be partially recharged, i.e. to report missiles, to report missiles from another warhead - put the package in and rejoice. Therefore, it is necessary that the new system has the ability to both manual and modular replacement.

[rocknrolla]

Don't you think that the MLRS has slightly different tasks? And the scope? He arrived, shot back, changed position, then mobility is much more important than armor.
For if a rocket bomb or artillery strike is inflicted on the MLRS location, then it will not be about small fragments, and no armor will help, the maximum for which IMHO needs armor is to be protected on the march, although the MLRS without cover is a pile of metal, and the speed of movement of an armored and non-armored target will differ significantly.

[rumpeljschtizhen]

Look, the Georgians put their armor on for the TDV ... very difficult mountains where the rear where the front is not always clear

[black_eagle]

If the MLRS are spotted, they will hit with something more serious than bullets and splinters, and then armor is needed like a tank, but if the enemy takes the position of rocket artillery, then this is a miscalculation of the command that allowed this

[Splin]

Do not go on the attack, but after the first salvo, it will fire back artillery fire. Here armor for winding from a position is necessary.

[rocknrolla]

This is where automation and mobility come to the fore, in order to understand the correctness of the decision about the lack of armor, we need basic data, such as: time for deployment, time for full salvo, time for folding, well, and average speed for the intersection ... And the same data on armored MLRS. After all, we must remember that this is not artillery which, in order to use up a lot of time, must stand in one place ...

[Splin]

I didn’t have anything in common with the Grads, but I saw fighters at neighbors reloading the car. Pretty tedious task. So ACS and increases the mobility of the machine itself, but not the crew. If you take a likely adversary like Georgia, there will probably be no retaliatory shot. And if such an adversary as Germany and France where the ASUV is two heads higher than the Russian one, a retaliatory strike will follow immediately. And when a 155-mm shell crashes next to the machine, it’s better to have armor on the cockpit.

[Krilion]

I certainly apologize, but what kind of "smart guy" spanked the muffler in front of the car to such a place, when after the first hole he will be ripped off by the fuck ???

[black_eagle]

Ammunition at the back!

[Warik]

Perm has always been famous for its scientific potential, what kind of equipment they are doing. They say that if the Perm Territory was an independent state, it would be a space power!

[Vladimir 70]

Most likely, the MLRS of the 20 brigade in this form based on the old Urals is a temporary (transitional) option. Where do you have to put the old MLRS "Grad". After all, the essence of the "Tornado" MLRS was to unify the chassis, with the possibility of replacing it with different modules for 122 mm, 220 mm and 300 mm shells in the field, depending on the combat missions performed. Plus, check the work of the so-called automated control systems. Back in the late 80s, automated gun control systems (BM) were developed from command control vehicles (SOB machine, NSh). The sight was worked out automatically. But they did not reach the troops.

[Splin]

For "Grad" I don't know, but in self-propelled artillery, it was in the mid-90s. On the march, you get target designation, and at once on several targets. The battery is deployed for 1-2 minutes, they shot and went to another position. We did this a couple of times. It was, of course, a prototype. They wanted in the USSR to introduce not only automatic target designation, but also synchronous control, but such a country did not exist.

[KAZAKHSTAN]

Nenad confused in the photo ordinary hail. the modernization is primitive if not a duck at all ... jeepies premier as in my phone and screen monitor

[Ivan Tarasov]

In the case of counter battery fire, MLRS data are very vulnerable.
It is necessary to have protected vehicles (at least from small fragments).
Modern guidance tools, of course, is a plus, but the lack of protection is a huge minus, nullifying all the improvements.
The best would be to use the Typhoon chassis.

[max702]

We definitely need an armored cabin, as well as a queue from the bushes and the whole driver, and possibly the crew, was killed, the combat mission was not completed .. But they saved on modernization ...

[Epizikl]

Quote: TiGRoO

“Tornado-G” - (G-Grad) modification with a module for shells 122 mm. 2 packages of 15 shells
“Tornado-U” - (U-Hurricane) modification with a module for shells 220 mm. 2 packages of 8 shells
“Tornado-S” - (S-Tornado) modification with a module for shells 300 mm. 2 packages of 6 shells

Thanks for the clarity!
In your arguments more specificity and conciseness!

And then in some sources MLRS 9K51 "Grad" (BM-2B17-1) is called "Tornado-G" ...