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Taking into account the Syrian experience: features of the Ka-52M "Super Alligator" helicopter

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Taking into account the Syrian experience: features of the Ka-52M "Super Alligator" helicopter

The Russian Ministry of Defense intends this year to sign a contract for the supply of 114 Ka-52 helicopters in a modernized version of the Ka-52M. An enterprise has already been identified that will be engaged in the production of a new version of the Alligator - the Arsenyevsky Progress aircraft plant in Primorye, but production will begin no earlier than 2023, since the end of the Ka-52M tests is scheduled for the end of 2022.


The creation of a new version of the Ka-52 helicopter became known in 2018. According to the CEO of Russian Helicopters Holding Andrei Boginsky, the Ministry of Defense, having studied the experience of using helicopters in combat conditions in the Syrian Arab Republic, set the designers to create a modernized version that would take into account the proposals of the flight and engineering personnel participating in the battles.

As you know, tests of the new version of the Ka-52M Super Alligator helicopter began back in 2019, and a phased plan was drawn up to test new on-board systems and weapons of the modernized helicopter. According to the plans of the developers and the military, state testing of the machine should end in December 2022, after which their mass production will begin. In total, it is planned to receive 114 Ka-52M helicopters.

As previously repeatedly reported, unlike its predecessor Ka-52 helicopter, the modernized Ka-52M "Super Alligator"
received enhanced armor and a new airborne defense system that protects the machine from anti-aircraft missiles. Armament was unified with another rotorcraft - Mi-28NM. The Ka-52M arsenal will include long-range Hermes-A missiles, guided by Vikhr-M anti-tank missiles, as well as Product 305 - aviation cruise missile with a range of up to 100 km.

To use the new missiles, the GOES-451 multi-channel sighting system will undergo a deep modernization, allowing the use of weapons at any time of the day or in any weather. In addition, the helicopter will receive a new radar with AFAR, a new avionics of the cockpit and improved power supply. The changes will also affect the screw group.

And finally, the helicopter will be able to automatically receive data from the Sagittarius reconnaissance, command and communications complex, which will allow for real-time information about the combat situation on the ground and likely targets.

Which helicopter will turn out in the end, it will be clear after comprehensive testing of the modernized machine. Whether it will be better or worse than Western-made helicopters - time will tell. To compare modern combat helicopters, and not only them, is a thankless task. But now we can say that according to the declared characteristics, especially weapons, the Ka-52M, at least, will not be inferior to modern Western models of combat helicopters. It is possible that the modernized version of the Ka-52M will attract more attention not only of the Russian army, but also of foreign customers, and will not be limited, like the base Ka-52, to Egypt alone.
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  1. demiurg
    demiurg 8 May 2020 15: 57 New
    +7
    Why forgive the helicopter for a missile with a range of 100km? If the launch is outside the air defense zone, it is easier to install equipment and launchers for missiles on the AN-26. The flight hour is cheaper, the time of barrage is longer.
    1. FIR FIR
      FIR FIR 8 May 2020 17: 08 New
      -13
      Why do the RF Armed Forces two combat helicopters at the same time?
      In June 2019, information appeared that the Ministry of Defense plans to purchase 2027 upgraded helicopters of the Mi-98NM version by 28. In service with 96 units of Mi-28N and 12 Mi-28UB
      on 2020 year.
      KA-52 - 129 units in the troops for 2020.
      Contract for the supply of new version of the KA-52M to the troops.
      The competition between Kamov and Mil is certainly not bad, but the costs
      It is 2 times more expensive to manufacture and service two models at once.
      By the way, they also produce MI-35 ...
      The contract for the supply of the Russian Air Force 22 Mi-35M (Mi-24VM) helicopters was signed in 2010, and another contract for 27 aircraft was later signed for delivery in 2012-2014.
      Pros from the Air Force, who in the subject, what do you think about this?
      1. sgrabik
        sgrabik 9 May 2020 10: 10 New
        13
        You don’t have to put everything in one pile, all these machines are different in their specifics, the Mi-35 is not only a fire support helicopter, but also a landing helicopter, it can take on board up to 8 landing personnel with full combat equipment, and the Mi-28 adapted for operations in the sea zone and on ships, a purely coaxial rotor scheme is needed here as on the Ka-52, since a long and stable hovering above water with a strong gusty wind can only ensure it, the Mi-28 with some modernization will become the fastest and the most maneuverable attack helicopter m of Russian production, so all these three cars are necessary and they will not replace one another !!!
        1. 3danimal
          3danimal 9 May 2020 21: 07 New
          +6
          SH-60 flies beautifully "at sea", Italy, France, Britain also have single-rotor marine helicopters bully
          Mi-8 will throw more troops.
        2. EvilLion
          EvilLion 13 May 2020 08: 34 New
          +1
          Mi-35 is a cheaper plug, apparently, to cover up problems with the Mi-28.
      2. +5
        +5 9 May 2020 10: 26 New
        -6
        For the same, why and a bunch of different Dryers .... What plants can do, then they order. From production opportunities dance
        1. sgrabik
          sgrabik 9 May 2020 11: 38 New
          11
          Do not grind rubbish, the factories do what customers in the person of Moscow Region or foreign customers order, and not just what they can, we have the opportunity to produce any modern equipment, if only there would be stable financing !!!
          1. +5
            +5 10 May 2020 10: 45 New
            +4
            Come on .... Any aircraft factory can do any plane? Those. In addition to the Su-30SM, the Moscow Region consciously wanted the Su-30M2 as well? Your options for the simultaneous production of as many as two 30s?
            You think that as you took out the loot from your pocket, you were immediately touched by planes and helicopters as much as you want? Last year 20 did, but in this dough more and 200 can do?
          2. Alexander Samoilov
            Alexander Samoilov 14 June 2020 12: 57 New
            +1
            Quote: sgrabik
            we have the ability to produce any modern technology

            laughing What equipment, we still have 3rd generation ATGMs can not do. Large-caliber sniper rifles 30 years in service. But there is no sniper cartridge for them. Almost all of the equipment that the Russian Federation is now producing is modernized Soviet.
        2. 3danimal
          3danimal 9 May 2020 21: 57 New
          +3
          Some kind of weird approach. And if factories can do Mi-2, order them?
          1. +5
            +5 10 May 2020 10: 46 New
            0
            And if bicycles, then bicycles?
            No need to bring to the point of absurdity ...
            1. 3danimal
              3danimal 10 May 2020 21: 58 New
              0
              For greater clarity, the insolvency approach.
              Lockheed is building new plants to create the necessary (additional) production capacities.
              We have all united in the UAC, what prevents us from choosing the right projects for each direction?
              And let Kamov make an attack helicopter, Miles an advanced replacement for the Mi-8, the cargo Mi-26 is good for him. So that the technique does not duplicate each other.
              Damn, if rich Americans are trying to save on logistics, then we all the more need.
              1. +5
                +5 11 May 2020 09: 20 New
                +3
                We have 2 helicopter plants, one makes Ka52, the other Mi28 ... Do on the first Mi, and on the second Ka nipaluhitstsa. Close one plant what for offer? So the second and its allies to do 2 times more is not a fact that they can .... And if the threatened period and it will be necessary to significantly increase output?
                You tell me how it should be in an ideal world, but I, as we have, and why we need a drummer 3
                1. 3danimal
                  3danimal 11 May 2020 20: 43 New
                  +1
                  The one that makes Mi- load military transporters and heavy trucks. Let the civilian market produce cars.
                  Ka - produces drums of different versions (M and K). An analogue is Boeing (Apache) and Sikorsky (UH-60 / SH-60 ..).
      3. Su24
        Su24 10 May 2020 13: 12 New
        0
        Quote: FIR FIR
        Why do the RF Armed Forces two combat helicopters at the same time?
        Pros from the Air Force, who in the subject, what do you think about this?


        Mi-35 is a specific niche machine.
        And Mi-28 and Ka-52 are bought simply because Solomon’s decision was made to support two design bureaus and a factory at once.
        1. 3danimal
          3danimal 10 May 2020 22: 02 New
          0
          Kamov has no analogue of the Mi-8, but Mil can be given an order to create a replacement for the GXNUMX. A decision made by people who are used to squandering not their money.
          Mi-35 ... World practice has shown that the “flying BMP” is an erroneous concept. We must admit this, to sell to everyone, to produce something more useful with the proceeds.
      4. Alekseev
        Alekseev 10 May 2020 15: 22 New
        +2
        Quote: FIR FIR
        Why do the RF Armed Forces two combat helicopters at the same time?

        Then, that we have in stock two well-established production facilities. And, in certain conditions (when used from limited sites, ships), the Ka-52 is better, the Mi-28, true, has its advantages. You can use helicopters on ships not coaxial, but the classical scheme. Of course you can, but for a cow, as you know, a bull is better than a daddy's father, although dad could. wink
        If Kamov Design Bureau and the plant were not available, then only Mi helicopters would be used. So, now, to save one production, eliminate?
        It is unlikely that anything will be saved. but much can be fooled. Moreover, for sure, many of the nodes and assemblies of our helicopters, including engines and weapons are unified, which, to a large extent, removes issues of maintenance and repair.
        1. 3danimal
          3danimal 10 May 2020 22: 04 New
          -1
          Incorrect reasoning logic. One must give orders for attack helicopters, and the other for military transport vehicles. Ideally, its analogue wagon UH-60.
          The world is full of examples of such a distribution.
      5. f44823olympus.ru
        f44823olympus.ru 12 May 2020 18: 17 New
        0
        “Why would the RF Armed Forces have two combat helicopters at the same time?” - then, on the battlefield (and in practice) to study two different areas of science in helicopter engineering. And evaluate them in practice (by touching them with your hands), and not in theory (on paper), based on calculations.
        "maintenance of two models at once is 2 times more expensive." - the cheapest is to buy (for every war) a spear shield and a sword, and let them go to protect the Motherland, IN SPITE OF ANYTHING .... YES ?!
      6. f44823olympus.ru
        f44823olympus.ru 12 May 2020 18: 20 New
        0
        “Why would the RF Armed Forces have two combat helicopters at the same time?” - then, on the battlefield (and in practice) to study two different areas of science in helicopter engineering. And evaluate them in practice (by touching them with your hands), and not in theory (on paper) based on calculations.
        "The maintenance of two models at once is 2 times more expensive." - the cheapest is to buy (for every war) a shield, a spear and a sword, and let them go to guard their homeland IN SPITE OF ANYTHING .... YES ?!
      7. abc_alex
        abc_alex 13 May 2020 01: 56 New
        +1
        Quote: FIR FIR
        Why do the RF Armed Forces two combat helicopters at the same time?

        Then, by the time it was no longer possible to delay the adoption of an attack helicopter, only the Mi-28N was ready for production. The Ka-50 remained the same "bold technical solution" and nothing more. No matter how the Kamovites fought, the very concept of a single-seat attack helicopter turned out to be vicious. Even at the training ground, their car could not fight.
        Moreover, the weapon system turned out to be a failure. ATGM Whirlwind turned out to be highly specialized, was not used in the troops, and still did not master in the series.
        The Kamov lobby among the military could once again postpone the decision for 5-7 years, as it did before, but then it was already clear to everyone: nothing but a "coaxial Mi-28" would come of the Kamovites. He did it. A two-seater attack helicopter with weapons from the Mi-28, identical to the "night hunter" in terms of combat capabilities. In some ways better, in some ways worse.
        One helicopter could be adopted. But if it were Ka, (then already 52) then the troops would have remained without a combat vehicle for an indefinite period. And if MI-28N then this meant the death of Kamov Design Bureau with their coaxial design. Since, even in the USSR, he had a huge problem with the series. And after the 90s, he simply had no other working projects. The second option was fundamentally wrong. And the first did not irrevocably suit the military. After all, not all the generals were engaged by Kamovites, there were those who looked at things objectively.
        Therefore, 2 helicopters.
        1. max702
          max702 18 May 2020 14: 24 New
          0
          that's exactly to the point
    2. svp67
      svp67 8 May 2020 17: 12 New
      17
      Quote: demiurg
      Why forgive the helicopter for a missile with a range of 100km? If the launch is outside the air defense zone, it is easier to install equipment and launchers for missiles on the AN-26. The flight hour is cheaper, the time of barrage is longer.

      And how many An-26 are left? And when will they be charged? And the helicopter may not patrol, but "quietly and peacefully" sit, somewhere in the woods, waiting for the command, and there HOW .... But even this is not the main thing. Ka-52 is a ship-based helicopter, our new landing ships will definitely have them on board, and here such a "load" at the "pebble" will not be superfluous.
    3. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 8 May 2020 17: 19 New
      +2
      So that the adversary would tremble and be afraid!
      Today the helicopter does not have a chance to fend off a fighter jet, but here it’s small but will appear !!!
      1. nov_tech.vrn
        nov_tech.vrn 9 May 2020 17: 22 New
        0
        I remember I knew a helicopter pilot who shot down an airplane.
        1. vik669
          vik669 9 May 2020 19: 27 New
          0
          I remember how a SU-27 from a cannon filled up a cow - oh how the Balts were outraged then!
      2. 3danimal
        3danimal 9 May 2020 21: 58 New
        +1
        The chance is very illusive.
      3. nov_tech.vrn
        nov_tech.vrn 14 May 2020 13: 12 New
        0
        Reference quote:
        It is not for nothing that the Mi-24 helicopter has been nicknamed "flying tank" or "crocodile". This is the first Soviet specialized combat helicopter. Before him, only the Americans (AN-1 Cobra) had helicopters of this type. "Crocodile" has flown since 1971. I have been to Afghanistan, Chechnya, and indeed many other places. The governments of many countries bought it for their armies.

        The government of Iraq was no exception. In 1980, a conflict began in the Persian Gulf between Iran and Iraq. In October 1984, an Iranian pilot on an F-4 spotted a Mi-24 helicopter from the Iraqi Air Force. In general, the Mi-24 was not the target of an Iranian aircraft. He was supposed to hit Iraqi radars.

        But since the opportunity presented itself, he decided that this was a chance to earn another star on the fuselage of his American fighter. The Mi-24 was at low altitude and the F-4 caught him in the sight of his 20 mm Vulcan gun.

        However, the Mi-24 pilot noticed the enemy. The F-4 was on its tail. The first approach of the fighter was unsuccessful. In order not to give the enemy a second chance, the Mi-24 pilot pulled up the nose of the helicopter and fired all S-4 missile ammunition toward the F-5 plane. One of them reached the goal.

        The Iraqi newspaper Baghdad Observer (an article from 1984) immediately wrote about the brilliant victory of the helicopter over the plane. The Zvezda channel wrote about the same victory on its website (article dated 17.10.2015/XNUMX/XNUMX).
    4. Captain Pushkin
      Captain Pushkin 8 May 2020 17: 56 New
      -3
      Quote: demiurg
      Why forgive the helicopter for a missile with a range of 100km?

      With a ground launcher, it’s even cheaper.
    5. Genry
      Genry 8 May 2020 18: 31 New
      +2
      Quote: demiurg
      If the launch is outside the air defense zone, it is easier to install equipment and launchers for missiles on the AN-26. The flight hour is cheaper, the time of barrage is longer.

      In combat conditions, the An-26 will have too expensive infrastructure: runway, bunker-parking, ...
    6. Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Boris ⁣ Shaver 10 May 2020 00: 30 New
      -4
      Quote: demiurg
      If the launch is outside the air defense zone, it is easier to install equipment and launchers for missiles on the AN-26.

      Will destroy, say, an AN with a missile such an enemy air defense of the appropriate range, and what next? "Home" will fly, and to work in a zone cleared of air defense to raise other cars? Then he himself destroyed the air defense, he went into the cleared zone, he himself worked on other targets.
      1. 3danimal
        3danimal 10 May 2020 22: 06 New
        0
        One machine (ammunition) is unlikely to be enough. There are no cheat codes to replenish supplies in flight smile
        1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
          Boris ⁣ Shaver 11 May 2020 01: 34 New
          0
          Scale to health
    7. alexmach
      alexmach 11 May 2020 09: 54 New
      0
      Why forgive the helicopter for a missile with a range of 100km?

      And there they just mixed everything together. In recent publications, the "product 305" range was called 25 km, which is quite adequate for a modern helicopter ATGM or multipurpose missile. while claiming that it is "Hermes-A". Now apparently the thought has been "rethought". And it is still very difficult to judge the real characteristics and even the real range of weapons from these reports.
  2. knn54
    knn54 8 May 2020 16: 24 New
    -2
    AS Pushkin-And experience, the son of difficult mistakes ...
  3. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 8 May 2020 16: 37 New
    -10
    According to Andrey Boginsky, General Director of Russian Helicopters

    This one will say, inexpensively take
    But now we can say that according to the declared characteristics, especially weapons, the Ka-52M, at least, will not be inferior to modern Western models of combat helicopters.

    The machine in 2023 will correspond to the western machines of 2020, is Boginsky said, or who else?
    1. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 8 May 2020 18: 42 New
      +1
      Interestingly, does Boginsky personally set cons, or has he assigned his deputies? Some time ago, this organism spudded TsAGI, they still spit from its activities.
  4. prior
    prior 8 May 2020 16: 42 New
    16
    Anglicisms even penetrated the names of Russian military equipment.
    "Superaligator".?! .. That Russian words are already missing?
    Teams in the army will soon also be submitted in English?
    Where we are going?.......
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 8 May 2020 16: 48 New
      +5
      Quote: prior
      "Superaligator".?! .. That Russian words are already missing?

      Not enough - "Crocodile" is already occupied by the Mi-24. smile
      1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka 8 May 2020 17: 10 New
        10
        Quote: Alexey RA
        Quote: prior
        "Superaligator".?! .. That Russian words are already missing?

        Not enough - "Crocodile" is already occupied by the Mi-24. smile

        Well, we’re unlikely to find a freshwater tooth, a domestic representative. From foreign - cayman!
        And if you look for the logical content of the background - the ancestor of the Ka-50 was called the “Black Shark”! In NATO he was called - Werewolf. So - there is an opportunity to search for something deadly in the depths of the ocean or shaggy and toothy in the forests of our fauna!
        To be honest, Anglicanism in the form of the prefix “super” really jars! It’s more interesting either the Russian “improved”, “updated”, or the French “encore” in the model number! Although what to fence "letters" - M, U or A is enough !!!
        Although you can "pisanutsya" adding to the name "formidable", "new" or the word "over"! Our language is rich, although humor and the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, unlike the Ministry of Defense of the USSR, were not near (remember the flower series - Cornflower, Acacia, Tulip, etc.). I still regret that instead of Poseidon the popular "Nezhdanchik" did not slip !!! laughing
        So the name “Cat of the Skripals” will make someone crush a smile, and if on every second shell a “newcomer” is engraved!
        Perhaps a number of those involved, and without our help, will go look for a bridge, a light bulb or a psychiatric hospital !!!
        I admit I bent a little, but the idea is worth a discussion !!!
        1. Klingon
          Klingon 8 May 2020 17: 55 New
          +9
          it is not Anglicanism but Latinism. the prefix Super comes from Latin and means "above, above"
          and the alligator and crocodile and caiman are families of the crocodile order. they are different and not different names for the same animal. I give the floor to the veterinarian laughing
          1. Ok
            Ok 9 May 2020 19: 39 New
            0
            It seems to me that the prefix is ​​super, the author added on his own. in the official name it will not be. we don’t need alien (alien) show-offs.
        2. Zeev Zeev
          Zeev Zeev 8 May 2020 23: 47 New
          -2

          They called him NATO - Werewolf

          In NATO, the Ka-50 helicopter in full accordance with the Alliance's codification system (fighters get names with the letter F from fighter, for example MiG-25 Foxbat, transporters with the letter C from cargo, bombers with the letter B, etc.) was called Hokum-A . Translated into Russian - nonsense, nonsense, bike.
        3. avg
          avg 9 May 2020 15: 49 New
          +3
          I still regret that instead of Poseidon the popular "Nezhdanchik" did not slip !!!

          For me, our famous northern "Arctic fox" is unfairly bypassed. Although "Scribe" is even better.
          1. 3danimal
            3danimal 11 May 2020 09: 06 New
            +1
            Poseidon ... this is a fiction, an expensive toy of the party that lost the war, in which there are no winners (when it swims, everything will already end).
        4. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 10 May 2020 02: 35 New
          0
          Well, what can you do ?! "Anglicisms" have already "firmly" penetrated our life! Super, wow, OK and "many other things" are found "at every step" ... And "super" can be used to its fullest! As well as "foreigners"! For example, such a "chain" ...: "Duper", "Super Duper", "Super Star Duper", "Duper Super Star +" ...
      2. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 8 May 2020 18: 09 New
        +4
        Quote: Alexey RA
        Not enough - "Crocodile" is already occupied by the Mi-24

        Well, where does the "crocodile"? request "Crocodile" - crocodile ..., and "Alligator" - alligator! Previously, they would have called it "for simplicity" ...: Ka-52M "Alligator-M" and would not bow "super" with "alligator", "crocodile", "rook", "hunter" ...! yes Vanity ! fool
      3. 3danimal
        3danimal 9 May 2020 22: 00 New
        0
        And the crocodile has native Russian roots, seriously smile (But the word "seriously" doesn’t)
    2. kjhg
      kjhg 8 May 2020 16: 54 New
      +5
      Quote: prior
      "Superaligator".?!.

      As well as Super pots, Super Dry, etc. This is not Englishism, but the desire to exaggerate, exalt, attach great importance to the proposed changes and modernizations. And if in the situation with the modernization of Gorshkov this name is more or less justified, because If a significant change in hull and displacement is assumed, then in relation to the Alligator and Sukhoi this is obvious stupidity.
      1. a.hamster55
        a.hamster55 8 May 2020 17: 09 New
        +4
        Until the device reaches the troops, it will be 2M, or even 3M. But still better than a Chinese anti-tank platoon consisting of 1000 soldiers armed with wrenches ..
      2. Jager
        Jager 8 May 2020 18: 00 New
        0
        SuperGorshkov is just sick of it. It appears not a formidable battle cruiser, but a hero in a tight leotard with a painted anchor on the shield a la "Captain America".
        1. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 8 May 2020 21: 17 New
          +6
          Quote: Jager
          SuperGorshkov is just sick of it.

          Any "super" makes me sick. It is immodest, and therefore ugly. Do we have a few animals, whose name could be called a helicopter? Yes, at least - a wolverine.
          The animal is more than serious. Its own, it is its own. It is native ...
          And then they came up with - an alligator, a superaligator ... Ugh.
        2. Ok
          Ok 9 May 2020 19: 47 New
          +5
          you forgot about thongs over leotards, without their hero is not super.
      3. DVR
        DVR 8 May 2020 21: 21 New
        +2
        As well as Super pots, Super Dry, etc. This is not Englishism, but the desire to exaggerate, exalt, attach great importance to the proposed changes and modernizations. And if in the situation with the modernization of Gorshkov this name is more or less justified, because If a significant change in hull and displacement is assumed, then in relation to the Alligator and Sukhoi this is obvious stupidity.

        If I am not mistaken, then all these "super names" are just tricks of journalists to stir up interest in their work. At least I have not heard that such names are accepted officially. Maybe I'm wrong, correct.
    3. Pessimist22
      Pessimist22 8 May 2020 19: 01 New
      +5
      A miracle alligator would be ok smile
      1. Saxahorse
        Saxahorse 8 May 2020 21: 22 New
        +3
        Quote: Pessimist22
        A miracle alligator would be ok

        "Cheburator" will go?
        1. Dmitry 80
          Dmitry 80 8 May 2020 22: 27 New
          +2
          Already taken for A-10 Thunderbolt-ll
          1. trahterist
            trahterist 9 May 2020 12: 41 New
            +1
            Warthog.
            What does the Cheburator have to do with it?
            1. Dmitry 80
              Dmitry 80 9 May 2020 17: 28 New
              +1
              Front view. For a long time already having fun with him. Each country has its own jokes on certain models of technology.
              1. 3danimal
                3danimal 11 May 2020 09: 08 New
                0
                Due to layout. In practice, it was very tenacious, thanks to her, in many ways.
    4. nov_tech.vrn
      nov_tech.vrn 9 May 2020 17: 25 New
      +2
      Yes, the gunners have a much prettier name, Peony there, or Hyacinth or fire in general - Pinocchio, a cute cartoon child.
    5. Skifotavr
      Skifotavr 9 May 2020 21: 51 New
      0
      Quote: prior
      "Superaligator".?! .. That Russian words are already missing?

      The inventors of such brain names are not enough.
    6. Sergey_G_M
      Sergey_G_M 9 May 2020 21: 58 New
      +1
      The helicopter is planned to be sold on the international market, with the expectation of this use of Englishism is quite reasonable.
      Although before we didn’t bother with the names and NATO members had to come up with their own names for our equipment, by the way, quite decent and even cool, for example MiG-31 - "Foxhound" - "fox hound".
    7. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 10 May 2020 02: 24 New
      +1
      Quote: prior
      "Superaligator".?!.

      In fact, if you follow the example from the “abroad” “in full”, then there should be “Super Alligator”!
    8. alexmach
      alexmach 10 May 2020 22: 10 New
      +1
      Where we are going?.......

      To normal is linguistic globalization.
      You are not confused by the words "shoe", "rod-compass" or "captain"?
    9. Archon
      Archon 1 July 2020 06: 27 New
      0
      The name sounds really stupid, as if it was invented in a neighboring western country. Why could not give a more interesting name?
  5. Amateur
    Amateur 8 May 2020 16: 51 New
    +2
    According to the general director of the Russian Helicopters holding, Andrey Boginsky,

    Another "effective manager"?
  6. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 8 May 2020 17: 14 New
    +3
    Quote: prior
    Anglicisms even penetrated the names of Russian military equipment.
    "Superaligator".?! .. That Russian words are already missing?
    Teams in the army will soon also be submitted in English?
    Where we are going?.......

    Admiral (Dutch admiraal [1], from senior f. Amiral, admiral, comes from Arabic. أمير البحر 'amӣr al-bahr "lord of the sea" [2] [3], also etymologically associated with lat. Admirabilis )
    General (German General, from lat. Generālis - general): Officer rank.
    Mayor (lat. Maior - senior) - rite
    Lieutenant (through senior German Leutenant from the French lieutenant “deputy”, then also as a rank, military rank) - a rank
    this is what I’m ...... I agree with you that you don’t have to poke foreign language where there are modern words used in Russian ...... but you probably shouldn’t even panic
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 8 May 2020 21: 19 New
      0
      These foreign words must also be fought. There is a governor, a thousand, a centurion. Originally Russian words.
      1. Aag
        Aag 9 May 2020 18: 59 New
        +1
        Already fought ... If I'm not mistaken, Zhirinovsky initiator. Withered quickly?
  7. Lew
    Lew 8 May 2020 17: 25 New
    -4
    Any shortcomings of aircraft, more than compensated by the skill of the flight and technical personnel))) so, worse, we can’t
  8. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 8 May 2020 18: 02 New
    +4
    Radar with AFAR? Earlier then others?
  9. Radikal
    Radikal 8 May 2020 18: 12 New
    +3
    As previously repeatedly reported, unlike its predecessor Ka-52 helicopter, the modernized Ka-52M "Super Alligator"
    received enhanced armor and a new airborne defense system that protects the machine from anti-aircraft missiles. Armament was unified with another rotorcraft - Mi-28NM. The Ka-52M arsenal will include Hermes-A long-range missiles, guided by Vikhr-M anti-tank missiles, as well as Product 305 — an aircraft cruise missile with a range of up to 100 km.
    All these improvements involve a heavier design, which in turn requires more powerful engines, but not a word is said about them. winked
    1. D16
      D16 8 May 2020 19: 53 New
      +1
      There was a TV3-117VMA will be VK-2500.
      1. not main
        not main 9 May 2020 01: 23 New
        +2
        Quote: D16
        There was a TV3-117VMA will be VK-2500.

        What's the difference? That's when we will have the VK 3000 engine in the same mass overall dimensions, then we'll talk!
        1. D16
          D16 9 May 2020 08: 48 New
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          There is such an option. Only this is a motor of a different dimension (TV7-117VK) and they will never be in weight and size TV3-117. As necessary, helicopters will be modified for them. The only question is the feasibility of such an increase in power and price.
          1. not main
            not main 9 May 2020 18: 07 New
            +1
            Quote: D16
            There is such an option. Only this is a motor of a different dimension (TV7-117VK) and they will never be in weight and size TV3-117. As necessary, helicopters will be modified for them. The only question is the feasibility of such an increase in power and price.

            Well, yes or no? Have you tried to lift the helicopter with overload and even with a large excess above sea level? So I will tell you: EXCESSIVE POWER DOES NOT HAPPEN!
            1. D16
              D16 10 May 2020 11: 35 New
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              Mi-8 on two TV3-117 can carry 4,5 tons of cargo. What do you plan to attach to the Ka-52, so that he does not have two VK-2500? Two TV7-117 is not only additional nonsense, but also a ton of the weight of an empty helicopter, which you must always carry with you. Every day of operation. To realize the power you will have to redo the gearbox and main rotor. This is also weight and money. And the money is not one-time when buying, but daily in fuel consumption and maintenance. Maybe if you need a heavy attack helicopter to immediately develop it on the basis of the Mi-38?
  10. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 8 May 2020 20: 20 New
    +2
    And here is the PT helicopter, which is designed to destroy modern tanks .... with all the difficulties, brought on the Syrian results? Something from the time of Afghanistan remained incomprehensible in firing from a cannon and Nurses? By pickups and fortifications? Even the shells and their calibers are the same ......
    1. 3danimal
      3danimal 11 May 2020 09: 13 New
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      I agree. This is how they tried to drive the Ka-50 to the second Chechen one. The whole experience - shoot NARami, but from a gun.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 11 May 2020 10: 21 New
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        I think it can only test optics, a thermal imager and a radar .... but here Syria is not particularly needed. The most valuable experience in Syria for the MTR and, oddly enough, for PMCs .... and for aviation, purely as a deployment and intensive work (organizational). Maybe for air defense.
  11. bar
    bar 8 May 2020 20: 25 New
    +2
    The Russian Ministry of Defense intends this year to sign a contract for the supply of 114 Ka-52 helicopters in a modernized version of the Ka-52M. An enterprise has already been identified that will be engaged in production

    But how many tears were shed not so long ago on the topic - Serdyukov came to the leadership of the helicopter industry, the industry is in danger, Kamov Design Bureau is being killed ...
    Not ashamed?
    1. Aag
      Aag 9 May 2020 19: 10 New
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      So I think that the question has not yet been resolved. Especially, given the stated deadlines, and previous experience.
  12. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 8 May 2020 21: 14 New
    +3
    Must unify with Mi28 on avionics and weapons.
    1. shahor
      shahor 10 May 2020 14: 07 New
      +1
      Quote: Zaurbek
      Must unify with Mi28 on avionics and weapons.

      So we are told that KA is, first of all, a marine helicopter. Then the weapon should be different, like Sea Venom, for example.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 10 May 2020 14: 38 New
        +1
        That version is called Ka52K ..... and here about the version of Ka52M
      2. 3danimal
        3danimal 11 May 2020 11: 02 New
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        Are you talking about modifying the Iroquois for the ILC?
        Everything is simple here: there are a large number of these machines, as well as related AH-1 Cobra, here they are all modernized, to save.
  13. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 9 May 2020 04: 49 New
    +2
    Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
    These foreign words must also be fought. There is a governor, a thousand, a centurion. Originally Russian words.

    what for? Why engage in frank garbage, God forgive me ??? for many centuries, our army has not had a governor, thousandths or centurions .... there is no and is not necessary ... there is no need for these words in relation to the modern army
  14. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 9 May 2020 05: 09 New
    -1
    Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
    These foreign words must also be fought. There is a governor, a thousand, a centurion. Originally Russian words.

    don't do heresy
  15. Klingon
    Klingon 9 May 2020 05: 24 New
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    Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
    These foreign words must also be fought. There is a governor, a thousand, a centurion. Originally Russian words.

    exclude all foreign words from the Russian language and I will look at you as you talk it will be fun wassat
    you will have: a fence in front of the railroad tracks (a barrier is German), a standing lamp with a lampshade (a floor lamp - Franz lampshade, by the way, too), a lamp under the ceiling (chandelier, lat.), a platform in front of the barracks (a parade ground, German), earthen shelter from cannon shells (dugout - French) for artillery (attilier is also the French word)
    Congratulations! Really, those are great brothers! and yes: you will not wear a jacket (pea- Jacket, Eng.) or a suit (costume - Franz) or a tie (Halstuch - German) wassat
    1. trahterist
      trahterist 9 May 2020 12: 55 New
      +4
      Creative Creativity.
      Developer Developer.
      Manager-Manager.
      Shooter Shooter.
      Repository Repository.
      Rendering Display.
      Targeting-Aiming.
      Coaching Training.
      Synthesis creation.
      And further, and the like.

      About battles, snacks, sandwiches, freelancers, merchandisers and other nonsense I do not say at all.
      Michal Nikolayevich, the kingdom of heaven to him, was a thousand and a million times right, we adopt the worst from the West, good not

      By golly, soon in a face-to-face meeting in a tambourine I will give it until they get off with an oral remark.

      And such examples of the frank Dullness of the current covert Russian language (young snotty, mostly) I can throw a carriage and a small cart.
      Too lazy just to scribble the sheets.
      1. monster
        monster 9 May 2020 20: 44 New
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        Completely agree. Especially freezes "creative" -sound with cretin. Chem nah, do not like Creative-honesty? Creator?
      2. Klingon
        Klingon 10 May 2020 19: 13 New
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        what you listed is slang from the computer ... oh sorry, from games on computers with silicon elements (lat.) inside ....- give a primitive answer to the tambourine. this is not an option and will in no way help. and an example should be taken from the French because they really do not like Englishism, because they have an Ordenateur computer, moreover, at the legislative level and much more. But the barrier, floor lamp, chandelier and so on. you won’t beat the tambourine out of the Russian language, you’ve integrated too deeply (integration, and emigration, evolution, revolution, by the way, Latin terms laughing )
        I hope you Tajiks working at construction sites and so on are not guest workers (Gast-guest, Arbeiter - worker, German) call? or hit a tambourine?
        you pulled sandwiches here so this is a specific sandwich (hoo Butter - butter, Brot - bread, German), which was invented by Sir Sandwich, cutting a bun in half and inserting a sausage inside so as not to get dirty with sauce. And God forbid, call your favorite salad by the name of a Belgian cook (Olivier). you can go on ad infinitum, or we will pick up Russian analogues (lat), equivalents (lat.) ..http: //www.naturalnews.com> where is the original Russian words ???
  16. Whirlwind
    Whirlwind 9 May 2020 06: 16 New
    +1
    "Superpuper" is not about us.
    In the Kamov Design Bureau of Mikheev, who created the Ka-50, this unsurpassed machine was called nothing more than a Paw!
    Hence, one must dance to the name Ka-52; Paw, Laponka, Lapula ... From this in our opinion!
  17. +5
    +5 9 May 2020 10: 24 New
    0
    Does Mi-28NM have a Whirlwind ?? Have they finally learned to make them non-rejected?
    Hermes is there in reality?
    And what are these western combat helicopters? He alone is Apache. Super Cobra lives out like Mi 24/35 ..... I hope no one considers the misunderstanding in the person of the Tiger a combat helicopter?
  18. vkd.dvk
    vkd.dvk 9 May 2020 14: 49 New
    0
    Quote: 5-9
    For the same, why and a bunch of different Dryers .... What plants can do, then they order. From production opportunities dance

    Stupidity. Come on, start producing something, well. for example, slingshots. And arm, because there is nothing else. There is simply no other production. Have you tried on a situation? There will be many orders, from the army, of course.
  19. vkd.dvk
    vkd.dvk 9 May 2020 15: 14 New
    0
    Quote: 5-9
    Does Mi-28NM have a Whirlwind ?? Have they finally learned to make them non-rejected?
    Hermes is there in reality?
    And what are these western combat helicopters? He alone is Apache. Super Cobra lives out like Mi 24/35 ..... I hope no one considers the misunderstanding in the person of the Tiger a combat helicopter?

    It's not good to call a bird a tiger. It seems like he is not in place. His business is land. Affectionate names of birds, as many as you like. Maybe we'll go there?
  20. alien308
    alien308 9 May 2020 17: 12 New
    -1
    Such a terrible one. As you look and want to crap. Even on earth. And under the volley to get scared to think.
    1. Ok
      Ok 9 May 2020 19: 56 New
      0
      there is a tasty fish - whitefish, its on Kolyma fishermen - the name is Seryuk. this is because when you take it in your hand, Kakakha climbs out of F. so can attach a name?
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  22. monster
    monster 9 May 2020 20: 41 New
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    The location of the pilots will not change?
  23. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 9 May 2020 21: 15 New
    0
    Quote: trahterist
    Creative Creativity.
    Developer Developer.
    Manager-Manager.
    Shooter Shooter.
    Repository Repository.
    Rendering Display.
    Targeting-Aiming.
    Coaching Training.
    Synthesis creation.
    And further, and the like.

    About battles, snacks, sandwiches, freelancers, merchandisers and other nonsense I do not say at all.
    Michal Nikolayevich, the kingdom of heaven to him, was a thousand and a million times right, we adopt the worst from the West, good not

    By golly, soon in a face-to-face meeting in a tambourine I will give it until they get off with an oral remark.

    And such examples of the frank Dullness of the current covert Russian language (young snotty, mostly) I can throw a carriage and a small cart.
    Too lazy just to scribble the sheets.

    and again I agree with you ..... the language should develop smoothly and harmoniously ...... one must adhere to the principle of the "golden mean" .... but it is also stupid to roll back what has already become customary
  24. Skifotavr
    Skifotavr 9 May 2020 21: 55 New
    0
    Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
    I still regret that instead of Poseidon the popular "Nezhdanchik" did not slip !!! : laughing

    If I'm not mistaken, the Whisperer was in the lead there. laughing
  25. AKS-U
    AKS-U 10 May 2020 02: 20 New
    +1
    An interesting comparative article from an aviation site. According to the high syllable and the analysis of flights, you understand that it is not the infantryman-gunner who writes, nor the paratrooper-tanker. And the conclusions are clearly not in favor of the Mi-28 BUT, and not in favor of the Government.
    http://avia.pro/blog/vertolet-mi-28nm-ne-podarok
    1. abc_alex
      abc_alex 13 May 2020 02: 24 New
      +1
      Quote: AKS-U
      http://avia.pro/blog/vertolet-mi-28nm-ne-podarok

      Sorry, but from the article a mile away is the Kamov PR department. The coaxial scheme has advantages, everyone knows about it. It was for the sake of its preservation that the Ka-52 was admitted to the series, otherwise the design bureau would simply die.
      But these benefits are not absolute. Yes, no tail boom. But the most complex swashplate. And restrictions on maneuvering due to the danger of overlapping screws. I can continue to argue, but that's not the point. A helicopter is not a propeller pattern. It's a complex. All together, and propellers and motors and armor and weapons and sights, everything. So in the aggregate of this whole case, the Ka-52 is not a ready-made combat vehicle, but still "danced".
      The author of the blog you quoted is clearly not an "infantryman-artilleryman, and not a paratrooper-tanker." He is a clerk. A banal clerk masquerading as an expert.
      Here for example:

      When flying at low altitudes (the main flights in Syria), the helicopter becomes a good target for small arms. For example, when firing a machine gun at hv. beam - the tail rotor control is interrupted, and the beam itself, with minor damage, can break off altogether, because in flight the thrust hv. the screw creates large: a) The moment on the KIND; b) The moment of twisting and + c) The moment of kink from its own weight and weight xv. screw!


      Here a piece of objective data is wrapped in two layers of bullshit. Anyone who even has a glimpse of the Mi-28N keel beam diagram understands perfectly well that when shooting at it with an automatic machine, it is simply not realistic to interrupt the screw control. Moreover, the shaft itself is the strongest steel shaft, occupying an insignificant volume of the beam. Try to get into them first, and if you hit, damage the steel shaft with a lead bullet.
      And the phrase that a beam can break off in case of "minor damage" is generally a bullshit.
      1. EvilLion
        EvilLion 13 May 2020 08: 31 New
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        But the 23-30 mm shell will interrupt. You can also touch the tail rotor blade.

        About the "most complicated" swashplate on the nipple - this is to the doctor. There is nothing fundamentally different from the classics. As for the overlap of the screws, the classic chops the tail boom with screws just as often. Moreover, the Ka-52 began to enter the first in 2008. Since then, not a single helicopter has been lost due to skewing, the Mi-28 beats more often, moreover, its vaunted rescue system turned out to be zilch, the pilot only has more chances to burn out in the car after a fall.
        1. abc_alex
          abc_alex 13 May 2020 14: 40 New
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          Quote: EvilLion
          But the 23-30 mm shell will interrupt. You can also touch the tail rotor blade.

          And 20-30 mm in the swashplate or in the Ka-52 gearbox, how's that for you? And in the Ka-52 rotor blades of the same caliber? Two unbalanced swings rotating towards each other - is that good in your opinion?

          Quote: EvilLion
          About the "most complicated" swashplate on the nipple - this is to the doctor. There is nothing fundamentally different from the classics.


          Yes of course. A wheel from a bicycle is also fundamentally no different from a cart. And the processor is the same transistors, only small and many. Yeah. :)

          Quote: EvilLion
          Moreover, the Ka-52 began to arrive back in 2008, the first. Since then, not a single helicopter has been lost due to skew

          Not skew, but overlap. They simply imposed restrictions on maneuvering, and therefore did not fight.

          Quote: EvilLion
          Mi-28 beats more often

          They fly more. Since 2006

          Quote: EvilLion
          moreover, his vaunted rescue system turned out to be zilch; the pilot only has more chances to burn out in the car after a fall.


          Yeah, yeah. The catch is the truth is that both systems work according to the same algorithm. :) And they were created by the same SPE "Zvezda". And in 2 of the three Ka-52 accidents, the crews were killed, so in your logic, its "vaunted rescue system turned out to be a nut".
      2. CBR600
        CBR600 2 July 2020 16: 11 New
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        ... a lead bullet. Oh yes. And overlap. We need to somehow argue further, after all.
        __ ATP for the article, I found out for myself that the Kamovites and the device itself have not been given a new engine for 15 years and will not be given a hike.
  26. shoroh
    shoroh 10 May 2020 09: 26 New
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    Yes, of course, the main emphasis was placed on defense - increasing armor to protect against riflemen and small-caliber artillery, and probably station jamming against MANPADS, well, some other means of counteraction. As for the missiles with a range of 100 km, it is not surprising that everything goes towards unification, and it is clear that this is not the main weapon of the helicopter. In armament, Hermes and Whirlwind are quite good missiles. Radar with AFAR for a helicopter is very cool. Well, it remains to build a helicopter carrier for this machine
  27. DMi
    DMi 10 May 2020 12: 27 New
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    Quote: FIR FIR
    Why do the RF Armed Forces two combat helicopters at the same time?

    By the way, they also produce MI-35 ...


    Everyone wants orders, everyone wants kickbacks. Everyone earns. This is a matter of personal financial interests, not smart weapons planning.
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  29. abc_alex
    abc_alex 13 May 2020 01: 35 New
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    The Ka-52M arsenal will include Hermes-A long-range missiles, Vikhr-M guided anti-tank missiles, as well as Product 305, an aircraft cruise missile with a range of up to 100 km.

    Hermes and Whirlwind series no. And will not be. The unification of weapons under the Mi-28, therefore, passed because the Kamovtsy initially relied on the wrong weapons bureau.
    There will be no missile with a launch range of 100 km. That's bullshit. At such a distance, the helicopter cannot even aim at the radar.
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 13 May 2020 08: 27 New
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      Really? And what then began to be purchased from the Izhevsk plant several years ago?
      1. abc_alex
        abc_alex 13 May 2020 14: 53 New
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        Quote: EvilLion
        Really? And what then began to be purchased from the Izhevsk plant several years ago?

        Shotguns? Pistols? :)
        There is no Whirlwind or Hermes in the series. The last who tried to launch the Whirlwind series is the Kalashnikov concern. And really nothing happened. The only contract of 2013 was disrupted, instead of 2015 it was barely fulfilled in 2016. I did not see reliable data on the new order of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation and deliveries. Ka-52 flies with Sturm. 2000 missiles for 100+ Ka-52 helicopters is not a series, it is for one load.

        Quote: EvilLion
        A missile with a range of 100 km can theoretically be suspended, although such a missile has much greater energy from an airplane


        Theoretically, you can even hang an RSMD rocket on a helicopter, how can it aim at it?
  30. EvilLion
    EvilLion 13 May 2020 08: 25 New
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    It is theoretically possible to suspend a missile with a range of 100 km, although such a missile has much greater energy from an airplane. How to direct it from a low-altitude vehicle with a low-power radar by the standards of fighters?