Stoner 63. Shutter box. Baptism of Fire in Vietnam


In the photo above: bolt box in position for assembling a carbine or assault rifle. The photo below is an inverted bolt box for assembling a machine gun. Source: Forgotten Weapons


This is a continuation of the article about the Stoner 63 complex. The first part is published here, second part - here.

The basis, or a single base for the modular design of the new Stoner weapon system, is a stamped slide box. These or those modules and barrels were attached to it, and as a result received a carbine, rifle or various machine gun configurations.

Shutter box


It is worth noting that the photo shown at the beginning of the material shows a later model of the slide box. On it holes in the area of ​​the trunk of a smaller diameter. On the boxes of early models there were only 8 holes of larger diameter.

There are 6 attachment points on the bolt box: 3 at the top and 3 at the bottom. Interchangeable modules and assemblies are attached to them using pins. For example, a pistol grip, butt, or other module.

A gas tube is also attached to the shutter box, which is fixed. Depending on the position of the gas tube (top or bottom), one or another configuration can be assembled weapons. So, to assemble a carbine or assault rifle, the bolt box should be deployed to the “gas pipe from above” position. And mount a rifle barrel under it. And to assemble the machine gun, the bolt box must be turned to the "gas pipe from below" position. And mount a heavy machine gun barrel over it.

The bolt assembly (bolt assembly) is universal, and is used in all versions. The pistol grip with a trigger has been used in all versions, with the exception of the “tank/aviation"Machine gun (Fixed Machine Gun). Together with the bolt box, they made up the Basic Component Group.

In order to assemble, for example, an assault rifle, the following parts were needed:
- rifle barrel (Rifle Barrel Assembly);
- forend (Forestock Assembly);
- module with a rifle scope (Rear Sight Assembly);
- butt (Butt Stock);
- adapter for the store (Magazine Adapter);
- a detachable magazine for 30 rounds.

Stoner 63. Shutter box. Baptism of Fire in Vietnam

Stoner 63 system. Assault rifle assembled from modules. Please note: the gas pipe above the barrel, like the AK-47. Bipod mounted in the form of a bipod to the trunk (option)

In order to assemble a machine gun with store-fed (LMG), required a few other details. Pay attention to the kit, which is shown in the photo below.


Stoner 63 system. Kit for assembling a machine gun with store supply. Source: Forgotten Weapons


Stoner 63 system. A magazine-powered machine gun assembled from separate modules. The bipod (standard) is already attached to the gas pipe. Source: Forgotten Weapons

Curious fact.

A box magazine with 30 rounds of ammunition for the latest 5.56 × 45mm rounds was developed specifically for the Stoner 63 system. In official documents of those years he was referred to as the “STONER 30-round detachable magazine”. Due to its capacity, this magazine was more successful than the 20-cartridge magazine, which was initially equipped with the first serial M16 rifles. And when in February 1967 the improved M16A1 rifles began to enter the troops, they were already equipped with 30 rounds stores from the Stoner system. Over time, due to the widespread use of the M16 family of rifles, the 30-round magazines from the Stoner system became known as the “Standard M16 Rifle Stores”

Thus, 30 round magazines and M27 cartridge strips designed for the Stoner 63 system have been used by the military (and not only) almost half the globe for half a century.

The lineup


In total, 6 types of interchangeable shafts and modules were developed, which were enough to assemble 6 configurations. The following types of small arms were received at the exit:

- carbine;
- assault rifle;
- machine gun with store food (for convenience - Bren);
- light machine gun with tape power (Light Machine Gun Belt-Fed);
- easel machine gun with tape power (Medium Machine Gun);
- aircraft machine gun (Fixed Machine Gun).


Stoner 63 system in 6 configurations. Source: Manufacturer Directory (Cadillac Gage Corp)

As you can see, the weapons of the Stoner 63 system of the first series were equipped with wooden fittings. But over time, the forend and butt began to be made of polycarbonate. Butts were made easily removable and disconnected with one click. If necessary, you could use the butt from a different configuration or not use it at all. For example, if circumstances forced or it was convenient.

Original design shutter


Another feature of the Stoner system is the barrel locking assembly, namely the bolt group of a special design. Like the shutter box, the shutter also has the ability to work in 2 positions. That is, the shutter can also be called a “shifter”. In one position it works in the “Free shutter” mode, and in the second (inverted position) it works in the “Rotary shutter” mode. That is, the barrel is locked by turning the shutter. In our time, such a node would be called a hybrid.

For the change of modes, a triangular protrusion on the shutter called “Shark Fin” and a cutout from its back are responsible. So, in the "Rotary shutter" mode during movement, the fin interacts with the details of the trigger and helps to lock the barrel. And in the inverted position, the fin does not participate in the operation of automation. But the cutout is involved, which fixes the shutter in the rear position, and the automation operates in the "Free shutter" mode.


Pictured above: Stoner 63 bolt in position for assembling a carbine or assault rifle. The arrow indicates "Shark fin." The photo below is an inverted shutter for assembling a machine gun. Source: Forgotten Weapons

Of course, in one mode or another, not only the fin or roller from the back of the bolt group is involved. The work involves a disconnector, grooves and guides, as well as other figures both on the bolt group and in the trigger. Thanks to them, the details of automation move “in the right direction”, and we get one or another mode.

The operation of automation is shown in detail in the video at the end of the article.


Stoner 63 system: the bolt fin is pointing down (rifle) and interacts with the trigger details in the handle. Source: Forgotten Weapons

In the "carbine" * and "assault rifle" variants, the barrel is locked by turning the bolt, as on the AR-15 / M16 (closed bolt). Thus, a high accuracy of fire is achieved. And in the variants “machine gun” (Light Machine Gun), “medium” (Medium Machine Gun) and “tank / aircraft” machine gun (Fixed Machine Gun) - firing is conducted with an open shutter (open bolt). The manufacturer’s prospectus indicates that an open shutter promotes continuous fire and also increases its sustainability (greater sustained fire).

* A curious detail.

Thanks to the unified USM in the “carbine” version, it is possible to fire both single shots and bursts. By and large, the rifle from the assault rifle had a shorter barrel and the presence of a folding butt. The folding butt could be either wood / polymer or wire.


Shutter for the option "assault rifle" in the front and rear positions. In the forward position, the barrel is locked. Pay attention to the shape of the combat stops. Photo: Forgotten Weapons


M15 rifle bolt manufactured by ArmaLite. Foma combat stops is very similar to those on the Stoner 63. Is not it? Photo: ArmaLite

Ian McCollum of Forgotten Weapons believes the Stoner 63 is in many ways a natural evolution of the AR-15, with emphasis on modularity. The author of this article believes that in Stoner 63 were used, including solutions that were used on the AR-18 ("Widower").

The military showed great interest in the new complex, but they demanded to conduct tests in real combat conditions. Since the war was in full swing, Vietnam did not have to choose a region for a long time. For a number of reasons, not 6-in-1 self-assembly kits were sent to Vietnam, but several modifications assembled at the factory. An already updated system with the designation Stoner 63A was sent to war.

Stoner: early days in battle


This is the name of the story, which was published by J. Gibbs, a retired lieutenant colonel in the United States Marine Corps in the Small Arms Review. I cannot vouch for the absolute accuracy of the translation, but I hope that the meaning of the story has not been distorted. Next is the narrative on behalf of Lieutenant Colonel Gibbs.

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In the winter of 1967, the Lima Company / Company L company of the 3rd Battalion of the 1st Marine Regiment of the 1st Marine Division participated in battles against the Viet Cong units, south of the city of Da Nang. At that time there was an air base that was used by the South Vietnamese and American Air Force.

The main objectives of the company "Lima" were to survive and destroy the enemy. However, at the end of February, the fighters were given another task: to test the Stoner 63A experimental system in real combat conditions. As a result of the tests, the command planned to decide on the suitability of this weapon complex for the US armed forces.

At that time, the fighters were armed with reliable M14 rifles, M60 machine guns and M1911A1 pistols. We were a combat unit that participated in battles in the tropics. Despite the increased humidity, dirt, sand and other factors - our weapons continued to work flawlessly. Therefore, these models have become our "gold standard" when compared with new weapons.

The Marines exchanged their pistols for .45 ACP cartridges, as well as 7,62 mm rifles and machine guns for new, previously untested carbines, rifles and machine guns for the new 5,56 cartridge. We expected that the cartridges in the chamber of our new weapons will continue to always respond to strikes.

The fighters unquestioningly began to study products and training firing. In a word, they were again preparing for a counter-guerrilla war, but with the weapons of the Stoner system. No one suspected that the Stoners and the new type of ammunition of a smaller caliber would work differently than the samples of reliable weapons with which we were armed before. I know these facts, because at that time I commanded a company.

We had to test the weapons of the Stoner system in 5 versions: a carbine, an assault rifle, two types of light machine guns (with magazine and tape power), as well as easel machine guns. Officers and non-commissioned officers (sergeant-petty officers) received carbines. The rifles were handed to most of the Marines, who had previously been armed with M14 rifles. The exception was the marines, who were given light machine guns with store food. In total, about 180 soldiers and officers received new types of weapons. 60 days were allowed for testing in combat conditions.

Thus, the Marines were to conduct a 60-day “trial” over five members of the Stoner family.

We needed to quickly learn the features of the new weapon: disassembly, assembly, maintenance and use. Then we needed to “feel” the capabilities of this weapon, gain confidence in its reliability.

The weapons of the Stoner system immediately impressed us. All samples were radically different both in their appearance and in their device from everything we have ever seen. It looked solid, and inspired confidence.

At first, attention was drawn to the lack of wooden fittings. Then - perforated metal, the presence of plastic and a pistol grip. The weapon was light and balanced. We had the feeling that it was delivered to us from the future.


Fighters of the company "Lima" are being instructed. Instructor demonstrates a light machine gun Stoner 63A. Vietnam, 1967 Photo: Archive of the U.S. KMP Lieutenant Colonel H. Hooper

A group of instructors was delivered from the U.S. Navy base at Quantico, Virginia. They conducted an 18-hour training course with the fighters in the harsh conditions of the base, and after that the unit commanders conducted 6 hours of additional training with their subordinates. All this time, every marine fired from his type of weapon. The number of emitted cartridges was calculated based on the type of weapon and the time required to obtain shooting skills from one or another model.

We got a sufficient, but still limited supply of new at that time 5,56 mm ammunition. Therefore, for training firing, 250 rounds were allocated for each rifle, 270 rounds for the rifle, and 1000 rounds for machine guns. Our training was satisfactory. We were mentally and physically prepared to engage in battle with our Stoners. On February 28, 1967, the fighters of the Lima company, now armed with the Stoner 63A, left the location of the battalion, and again proceeded to combat patrol.

The enemy quickly began to recognize us because of the specific sound made by our new weapons. For many miles around, we were the only combat unit that used 5.56 mm ammunition.

Shops that saved a fighter’s life


March 3, soldiers of the 2nd detachment of the 2nd platoon, under the command of Corporal Bill Pio (Bill Pio) went on a day patrol. The duties of the radio operator were performed by Junior Corporal Dave Mains. Suddenly, Junior Corporal Kevin Diamond (Kevin Diamond) found a few Vietnamese under the tree, at 12 o’clock. The detachment stopped, and Pio and Maines crawled cautiously to Diamond's position. Corporal Pio ordered the enemy to be surrounded, but as soon as the soldiers began to carry out the order, the Vietnamese noticed them and opened fire on the marines. Both Pio and Diamond were seriously injured. After their evacuation, someone noticed that the pouch of the radio operator Maines was cleared up. It turned out that in one of his flasks and in 2 stores, enemy bullets were hit. Steel shops, equipped with cartridges and a flask filled with water, performed the role of body armor. He saved these items as a talisman, and after the end of the service he drove the shops riddled with bullets and a flask home to the United States.


Stoner stores that saved Corporal Maines from the enemy’s bullets. In the background is a riddled pouch. Photo: USCM Corporal Retired David Maines Archive

Wismeyer Belt


During the testing of new weapons, we had the opportunity not only to compile a list of comments on the tested samples, but also to offer all sorts of upgrades. A useful improvement was suggested by the commander of the 2nd platoon, Lieutenant William Wischmeyer.

Prior to the test, officers and sergeants were armed with self-defense pistols. One of the main reasons for arming commanders with short barrels is not to let them get too fond of shooting, and to give them the opportunity to concentrate on controlling the fighters. After all, officers and junior commanders often read maps, control artillery fire, and conduct negotiations on radio communications. That is, their hands are often busy. And at the time of testing, the officers were armed with carbines. How to be

Junior Lieutenant Wismeyer quickly realized the problem, and proceeded to solve it. He took several straps from the unloading vest, a belt from the blanket (roll), as well as a standard belt from a carbine and connected them all in a special way. The result is a homemade tactical belt. Senior Lieutenant Grand Mulder (Gran Moulder) called him “Wischmeyer belt” (Wischmeyer sling). However, the jokes did not last long, since the belt was quickly appreciated. Over time, it became widespread and became known as the “jungle sling”.


The platoon commander poses with the Stoner 63A carbine, which is equipped with a Wismeyer belt. Vietnam, 1967 Photo: Archive of the retired Colonel of the United States ILC, Mike Kelly (MS Kelly)

In the jungle, Wismeyer’s belt allowed the commanders to keep their hands free and, if necessary, shoot single shots or even bursts. The stoner system’s carbines were perfectly balanced, and I also equipped my weapon with a jungle belt. Thanks to the ability to adjust the length of the belt, my carabiner was located at the level of the belt and provided freedom of hands. For shooting, I quickly lowered my right hand to the handle, pushed the weapon forward, and grabbed the forearm with my left hand. Bullets flew right at the target, as if they were flying out of my finger. That was great! The belt was a vital necessity.

We continued to use the "jungle belt" even after Lieutenant Wismeyer (author of the rationalization proposal) was wounded on March 8 and was evacuated. Moreover: we used a tactical belt throughout the entire time we were testing new weapons. So the 9-day contribution of Lieutenant Wismeyer to the modernization of the carbine of the Stoner system was significant.


Lieutenant Gran Moulder with a carbine of the Stoner 63 system. A carbine with a simple wire butt. Vietnam, April 1967

Fault Reporting


After 12 days of patrolling, we returned to the location of the battalion. Having rested and replenished our reserves, we were preparing for the next exit. Upon arrival at the base, we were required to fill out 4 reports, among which was the “Fault Report”. I did not expect it to be filled too often. But it turned out differently.

Marines reported 33 malfunctions that were detected during the first 12 days of using the Stoner system weapons in all 5 modifications. The most common were malfunctions when feeding cartridges and ejecting spent cartridges (poking). The ammunition itself was also criticized. The capsules were pierced, but no shots occurred. I did not know the causes of the malfunctions, but I realized that my fighters could not fight. Despite our malfunction reports, command attitudes toward Stoner products continued to be supportive. Soon we again went on patrol.

March 15, the commander of the 1st platoon, Lieutenant Andres Vaart (Andres Vaart) sent at sunset a group (4 soldiers) to perform a combat mission. The fighters were armed with two rifles and two light machine guns (LMG) with store-fed Stoner system, as well as one M79 grenade launcher (single-shot, 40 mm). On the way, the detachment ran into an enemy patrol. A skirmish ensued. Of the 4 trunks of the Stoner system, only 1 rifle worked without failures, while the remaining 3 constantly had problems. With the help of one serviceable rifle, grenade launcher and hand grenades, the marines managed to fight off the well-armed detachment of the Viet Cong, for whom the weapon worked properly. At the same time, the camp of the patrol company was attacked. And during the repulsion of the attack on the camp, the weapons of the soldiers of the patrol company showed a large number of malfunctions.

The Marines of the Lima Company were clearly disappointed in weapons that could not be relied upon.

In this situation, instead of looking for the enemy, we were forced to concentrate on making our weapons work. That night I canceled the patrol, and collected all 3 platoons. Commanding Sergeant Bill McClain, with the help of several fighters, cleared a place for an impromptu shooting range. Alternating, we fired all night, checking each "trunk", and fixing malfunctions. And if necessary (and whenever possible) we fixed the malfunction. However, all our attempts to solve the problem with the reliability of weapons in the field were in vain. The same faults that were detected in the first 12 days were again the most frequent. I had to admit that our weapons of a new type did not possess the most important property: reliability.

But that was our weapon, and we had to make it work. We needed to solve the problem ourselves. Moreover, we have already studied the system, and we knew much more about its defects than anyone else.

Empirically, we determined that the main causes of the malfunctions were: sand, grease, humidity, and the quality of the ammunition. Sand in those parts was inevitable, and we desperately needed high-quality cartridges. The task that we had to solve was to determine: how exactly sand, moisture and lubrication affect the performance of the weapon, and how to fix it. For two days we remained at the base and methodically conducted tests.

The area of ​​our deployment was located on a plain, on the shores of the South China Sea. The sand in that area was unusually shallow. The fact is that we often moved on landing machines (LVT), which with their caterpillars grind sand into fine, crumbly powder. During the ride, sand dust rose above the machines on which we moved and settled on everything, without exception. We instantly found ourselves completely covered with white dust, which penetrated into each season. She also penetrated all the cracks, including - and the cracks in our weapons. To protect against dust, we wrapped our weapons in our army towels (green).

Tight fit parts


Three weeks earlier (during the training course) we noticed that for all five modifications the moving parts are too tightly fitted to each other. We subjected this fact to a thorough study. It was decided: to shoot, shoot, and shoot again, so that the details are “rubbed”. Each soldier fired more than one hundred rounds of ammunition from his weapon under the scrutiny of platoon sergeants and squad leaders. Active support was provided by the commandant sergeant and first sergeant (foreman) George Bean (George Bean). All the malfunctions that were detected during the shooting were documented, then the fighter cleaned his weapon, went to the firing position, and continued the "shooting".

It was a long and painstaking but necessary process. Over time, we began to notice progress: weapons began to fail less often. However, troubleshooting weapons alone was not enough. It was necessary to instill confidence in each marine, to raise his morale.

We searched for a long time, and finally got a batch of better-quality ammunition. On March 18 and 19, the 5th platoon, led by Lieutenant Michael Kelly, conducted exercises, while evaluating progress in troubleshooting. But before, each fighter thoroughly cleaned and oiled his weapon (carbine, rifle or machine gun) in accordance with the features that he discovered as a result of fire tests.

Then the marines crawled along the sand to the firing position and each shot 100 rounds. After firing, the soldiers drove 3 miles in the sand on landing vehicles, returned covered with fine sand dust, landed, and again went to the firing line. There, each fighter shot another 100 rounds. And when another malfunction occurred, the marine was obliged to eliminate it himself, using only his own knowledge obtained during operation.

After receiving a new batch of ammunition, the shooting problems became much less. I was sure that we developed moving parts, and the fighters were convinced that their weapons could work properly. And if a malfunction occurs, each Marine, knowing the individual characteristics of his weapon, will quickly eliminate them. I believed in my fighters. That same night, we resumed combat patrols.

In the next 10 days, weapons of all configurations showed themselves much better. We patrolled, organized several successful ambushes, and as a result we captured two Viet Cong. In general, the fighters of the company "Lima" again began to fulfill their main task. But most importantly, the Marines' concerns about the reliability of the weapons of the Stoner 63 system have significantly decreased.

On April 3, I reported to the command that the weapon "works very well." In the report, I asked to extend the trial period from 60 to 90 days. My request was granted.


Lieutenant Gran Moulder demonstrates a Stoner 63A machine gun with a round cartridge box. Vietnam, 1967 Photo: Archive of Major U.S.CMM retired Gran Grander

During the 90-day period, not only the weapons of the 63A family were tested, but also the marines themselves. In addition to our daily combat patrols, from February 28 to May 31, 1967, our company participated in 4 major military operations. In the first weeks, we rated the Stoners as a weapon of dubious reliability. But over time, we made him work, appreciated him, and became attached to him. It has become not just a test weapon, but OUR weapon. Henceforth, we no longer doubted its reliability.

By the end of the 1st month, we already knew that the problems that we encountered earlier were not due to the fault of the designer. During daily battles, the Marines of the Lima Company began to be respected, admired, and wished to go into battle precisely with the Stoner 63 in their hands. It concerned all its configurations.

At the end of May 1967, our company was re-equipped again. This time we were given M16A1 rifles, which already managed to earn a terrible reputation. Of course, all our experience gained while testing the Stoner 63A system was immediately applied to the unreliable M16. I believe that over time, Stoner became a worthy replacement for the M14, and the M16 failed to reach the Stoner level.

Respectfully -
Retired Lieutenant Colonel J. Gibbs, US Marine Corps.

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Below are a few interesting comments from people who they claim to be familiar with the Stoner 63 system firsthand. Sorry for any inaccuracies in the free translation from English.

Jim ptk


July 13, 2012 at 6: 57 am

I worked with Eugene Stoner at Cadillac Gage at the time the Stoner 63 system was being developed there. In addition to the weapon itself, work was underway on all kinds of accessories. One of them, in the development of which I took part, was a backpack (backpack) for storing cartridge belts for aircraft machine guns (Fixed Machine Gun). They were supposed to be installed in helicopters. Each tape contained 300 rounds and fit in a spiral (was wound in a spiral) into a special pocket. The backpack was designed so that in the event of a helicopter accident, the crew can remove the machine gun from the car and carry as much ammunition as possible in the backpacks.

The gunsmiths conducted many interesting tests. Once they fixed the Stoner system in a vice to capture moments of shots. The barrel was parallel to the floor and was aimed at a thick armor plate. It was installed at such an angle that the bullet ricocheted down from it, where a bucket of sand (bullet trap) lay. When the shooting was completed, we found that each bullet after the rebound passed through the sand and pierced the bottom of the bucket. All bullets were recessed in the concrete floor under the bucket.


Dave berutich


September 10, 2016 at 11: 26 am

I was fortunate enough to fight the Stoner 63. I served in Vietnam, in the company Lima. It was the best weapon I used ever. The Stoner saved my butt in many dangerous situations.

When we were ambushed, we could respond with a flurry of fire. The fact is that the Stoner was initially equipped with a 30 round magazine, while the M16 had only 20 magazine. The high-capacity store proved its effectiveness, especially when we needed to suppress enemy fire. Many of us made homemade sparks of stores (60 rounds), which allowed us to fire almost continuously. This is exactly what was needed when organizing the ambush.

I believe that the Stoner 63 was not adopted by the U.S. ILC more because of politics than for another reason. And the difficulty in its maintenance was just an excuse, an excuse.

L Co / 3rd Bn / 1st Marine Division Vietnam 1966-1967.


MAGA Man


September 10, 2016 at 11: 26 am

Dave Berutich is absolutely right about the Stoner 63 complex, and especially with regard to politics. The adoption of the AR-15 / M16 rifle family was a mistake. Perhaps politics prevailed again. The M14 was an excellent rifle, but in the thick terrain of Southeast Asia it proved to be of little use due to its length. And this is its main drawback. In addition, the M14 is also a Marxman rifle! And if we used the M14 (or its derivatives) as a standard infantry combat rifle, and the Stoner 63 as LMG or SAW, who knows how everything would turn out there in Vietnam ...


To be continued ...

Stoner 63 in the configuration "Machine-gun with store-fed." Disassembly and assembly from Forgotten Weapons



Stoner 63 in the configuration "machine gun with tape power." Disassembly and assembly from Forgotten Weapons



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  1. Ovrag 24 March 2020 18: 21 New
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    Great article. Especially for those who have not watched the Ian video yet.
    And it is completely incomprehensible what she is doing on this resource now.
    Such a hello from the old VO.
    1. Mister X 24 March 2020 21: 45 New
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      Quote: Ovrag
      And it’s completely incomprehensible what does she do on this resource Now.

      hi Who is she?
      1. Ovrag 24 March 2020 23: 52 New
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        The article is obvious.
        1. Mister X 25 March 2020 00: 42 New
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          Quote: Ovrag
          The article is obvious.

          And where else to publish an article on weapons-related topics?
          1. YOUR 25 March 2020 05: 55 New
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            Spread good materials about the shooter. Not that a certain Damansky about air defense, from the illiteracy of which is already troubled
            1. Mister X 25 March 2020 11: 05 New
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              Quote: YOUR
              Spread good materials about the shooter.

              hi Thank you!
              The result of long work ...
              Quote: YOUR
              Not that a certain Damansky about air defense

              Doesn't he specialize in aircraft carriers?
              1. YOUR 25 March 2020 12: 36 New
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                In the past I am an air defense officer and therefore pay attention to materials about this type of army. There are authors who write very, very well, you read with pleasure. I can be mistaken with the surnames if so then do not be offended - writes a lot about Linnik air defense, good well-developed materials. But there is such a wonder that you are given a set of phrases and high-tech words. I don’t know how to find materials on the author, I would have made a link to them. Well oh well about that. He writes and writes. People discuss find the truth or come up with something of their own wishful thinking.
                1. Mister X 25 March 2020 12: 53 New
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                  writes a lot about air defense Linnik, well-developed materials.

                  So Bongo served his whole life in aviation. Yes, and he is a meticulous and accurate person.
                  However, some have criticized his work.
                  For every one you don’t get overboard.
                  Democracy...
                  1. YOUR 25 March 2020 13: 29 New
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                    You apparently did not understand. As Linnik writes, I like it.
                    1. Mister X 25 March 2020 13: 45 New
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                      You apparently did not understand. As Linnik writes, I like it.

                      I like too.
                      But there are those who criticize.
                      1. YOUR 25 March 2020 13: 51 New
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                        Basically, those who represent the air defense work on advertising pictures and booklets. Trrrr and everyone fell. And here he writes that it’s not quite so. As in principle, your materials. If not indignation like someone he advertises this American bullshit, then a bunch of minuses.
                      2. Mister X 25 March 2020 14: 32 New
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                        Quote: YOUR
                        Basically those who represent the air defense work on advertising pictures

                        Only air defense work?
                        Many live with an eye on comic book and cartoon characters.
                      3. YOUR 25 March 2020 15: 51 New
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                        He laughed. and there is.
                        Flocks of Su-57, clouds of Daggers, herds of Armat, from the thigh of AK-12 which are armed with everything including the cook. And around the S-400 Shell, the rockets that they launched and they’re over there, which is slightly to the left of that tree right into the window .. ... I would like the same.
                        And the fact that this is knowledge and skills worked out before automatism, over which it is necessary to work more than one year, somehow not even in the background, but somewhere where it is invisible.
                      4. Mister X 25 March 2020 15: 59 New
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                        And the fact that this knowledge and skills worked out to automatism

                        Skills are needed even when you brew coffee, drive a car, or smoke in a car.
                        I once threw a cigarette butt out of a taxi window - and with its headwind I skidded into the sleeve of my jacket. He burned his jacket and nearly burned someone else's car.
                        It’s a pity that not everyone thinks about it.
                      5. YOUR 25 March 2020 16: 12 New
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                        Well, the case ... wink
                        This is how to offend yourself, well, on your own excuse me to sit down.
                        I don’t smoke. I can’t imagine how this can happen.
                      6. Mister X 25 March 2020 16: 19 New
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                        Quote: YOUR
                        I don’t smoke. I can’t imagine how this can happen.

                        At that time I had smoked for 20 years, but the trouble happened.
                    2. YOUR 25 March 2020 16: 21 New
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                      Laughter, laughter, and there are all kinds of occasions in life that are still not something that you can’t talk about, but somehow it’s not very attractive. And nothing happened that was abominably vile as in Iran, only thanks to the professionalism of the crew and the commander.
                    3. Mister X 25 March 2020 18: 54 New
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                      And nothing happened vilely vile as in Iran

                      Really nearly shot down a Turkish plane?
                      By the way, you served in the army of which state?
                    4. YOUR 26 March 2020 04: 15 New
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                      He served already in two armies of the USSR and Russia. I live in the Amur region. Why such a question?
                      About the infamous abominable.
                      On January 8 of this year, a passenger plane was shot down near Tehran.
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                      Quote: YOUR
                      Why such a question?

                      You write without errors, but you mentioned an event in Iran.
                      I can’t understand the air defense systems, but at least Turkmenistan is between the Russian Federation and Iran.
                      So the question arose.
                      Sorry if I disturbed your memories.
                    6. YOUR 26 March 2020 09: 48 New
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                      What are the memories. Associations. Actually, there is nothing special to hide, they nearly overwhelmed our plane.
                      On the Chinese side, a target came up, went to a low altitude, was lost, and after a while it jumped out on our side. There is no defendant, they took for the intruder, and what, there is the taiga, they will drop what sabotage and spy and back. Decision made to destroy. The missiles have already been prepared for preparation, but at that time all the air defense systems began to be equipped with television cameras, and so they looked. It turned out the plane An-2 fire brigade.
                      Then they restored the chronology, contacted the border guards. A helicopter flew to a Chinese outpost and sat down. An An-2 fireman flew on our side, also at low altitude. So it turned out that the target supposedly crossed the border.
                      Check a hundred times, press the button once. Flyers still do not suspect that they were on the verge.
                      Until now, defendants and transponders have not put anywhere on small aircraft. By the way, one of the factors why missed Rust.
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                      Quote: YOUR
                      Flyers still do not suspect that they were on the verge.

                      Just a Kikets ... It's good that the camera was installed, and someone guessed to look at the screen.
                      Quote: YOUR
                      By the way, one of the factors why missed Rust.

                      Still have that chance?
                    8. YOUR 26 March 2020 12: 13 New
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                      He was found at a fairly large distance from the border. The old ones were sitting on duty at the Central Control Commission. They have any aggravation of the situation a knife in the saddle. Well, it began, but look, but specify. They raised the couple on duty, they clearly went to him, they didn’t give a command to open fire, they didn’t have a difference in speed, they went to the second round, and he dropped and slightly changed direction. In general, not found.
                      Further, it was periodically discovered by RTV on-duty vehicles, but as I wrote above, there are no small aircraft on the aircraft. There were reports, but again, the corn plant flashed a few corn flies. It seems like he was visually discovered, and again they were sick of it, did you get drunk there or something. The result is known. Then, the PCC was almost dispersed to zero. And then friends of the regiment are sitting, according to the law it’s time for him to retire, but with the permission of the commander in chief they left him. I write a report annually, ask for permission, I have experience, etc. blah blah blah. Who wants to retire from such a sinecure. Duty once a week. And not so round the clock on the phone, but a substitution, a resting shift, etc. plus life in a closed military town, and as he retired, they traveled instantly from there. The apartment was naturally provided immediately. Well, something like this.
                2. YOUR 26 March 2020 09: 51 New
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                  I still remember the scream-report on the GHS, put it red, it is red. Fire plane painted red.
  • YOUR 25 March 2020 05: 52 New
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    Apparently, he meant that at the moment, the VO resource has become more and more reminiscent of ordinary curse on all sorts of non-military topics. Therefore
    Quote: Mister X
    Such a hello from the old VO.
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      Quote: YOUR
      Apparently, he meant that at the moment, the VO resource has become more and more reminiscent of ordinary curse on all sorts of non-military topics.

      What audience - this is how the resource becomes.
      Don't you find?
      1. YOUR 25 March 2020 12: 03 New
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        Unfortunately yes. It's a shame such a wonderful site and gradually rolls down. I would not want to
        1. Mister X 25 March 2020 13: 04 New
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          Quote: YOUR
          It's a shame such a wonderful site and gradually rolls down. I would not want to

          Young people are also interested in weapons themes.
          True, many did not even hold weapons in their hands.
          And how everyone is interested in geopolitics ...
          There is no end for opinions and discussions.
  • bunta 24 March 2020 18: 37 New
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    I wonder what configuration the "free shutter" was used for.
    1. Mister X 24 March 2020 21: 46 New
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      Quote: bunta
      for which configuration was the “free shutter" used?

      hi For machine guns with tape and store food.
      1. Avior 24 March 2020 23: 02 New
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        logically, other options have single ones, for them a free shutter and even shooting with an open shutter is not very suitable.
        1. Mister X 24 March 2020 23: 08 New
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          Quote: Avior
          other options have single

          even carbines fire bursts
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            shoot
            but machine guns don't shoot solo
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              Quote: Avior
              but machine guns don't shoot solo

              MG-34 shot ....
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                let's say this is not a typical mode of fire for them.
                in fact, it’s about why it is the machine guns in this series that shoot from the open shutter
            2. fk7777777 25 March 2020 07: 47 New
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              But you, seriously ?, for example, an RPPS calmly shoots solitary, probably your opinion simply does not know.
              1. Avior 25 March 2020 08: 21 New
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                . in fact, it’s about why it is the machine guns in this series that shoot from the open shutter
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  • Alexfly 24 March 2020 18: 39 New
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    very interesting article, a long piston stroke does not yet give a 100% guarantee of reliability ....
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      hi
      Quote: AlexFly
      very interesting article

      Thank you!
      Quote: AlexFly
      long piston stroke does not yet give a 100% guarantee of reliability

      Absolute guarantee will not provide anyone and nothing in this world.
      Even an insurance policy wink
      1. fk7777777 25 March 2020 07: 48 New
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        From the insurance policy it is impossible to blind up to 6 types of this policy itself.
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          Quote: fk7777777
          From the insurance policy it is impossible to blind up to 6 types of this policy itself.

          Since the conversation went in this direction, it is impossible to create anything from the insurance policy.
          This is not dough, and not clay, but a piece of paper. Or a record in the database.
  • Undecim 24 March 2020 18: 59 New
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    In total, 6 types of interchangeable shafts and modules were developed, which were enough to assemble 6 configurations. The following types of small arms were received at the exit:
    Let me correct the author. There were three trunks.

    A machine-gun barrel (position 2) was used for four varians - both light machine guns, an easel machine gun and an aircraft machine gun.
    For the assault rifle, the barrel was used position 14, for the carbine - position 15.
    1. Undecim 24 March 2020 19: 05 New
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      A table of assembly options for the kit shown in the previous photo.
      1. Undecim 24 March 2020 19: 24 New
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        And one more fundamental error made by the author.
        Another feature of the Stoner system is the barrel locking assembly, namely the bolt group of a special design. Like the shutter box, the shutter also has the ability to work in 2 positions. That is, the shutter can also be called a “shifter”. In one position it works in the “Free shutter” mode, and in the second (inverted position) it works in the “Rotary shutter” mode. That is, the barrel is locked by turning the shutter. In our time, such a node would be called a hybrid.
        There is no "free shutter" mode in the specified weapon. The phrase "weapon fires from the open-bolt" means that the firing is from the "open shutter".
        Shooting with the "open shutter" is as follows. Before the shot, the cartridge is in the store, the bolt is retracted, the return spring is compressed. After pulling the trigger, the bolt goes forward, grabs the cartridge from the magazine, sends it to the barrel and punctures the capsule in one of two ways - in the process of moving forward (firing at a roll) or after stopping and stopping the ramp to narrow the chamber. At the time of the shot, the shutter is naturally locked. Locking in any case occurs by turning the shutter.
        1. bunta 24 March 2020 19: 39 New
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          "On roll" without locking by turning. It is only with a free shutter.
          1. Undecim 24 March 2020 23: 34 New
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            I agree with the replacement, a little inaccurately formulated.
        2. Mister X 24 March 2020 22: 22 New
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          Quote: Undecim
          Locking in any case occurs by turning the shutter.

          Why do you think the shutter is set in 2 different positions?
          Either the “Shark Fin" is looking down, or is the movie?
          1. Undecim 24 March 2020 23: 19 New
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            I do not think anything. I read the manufacturer's manual.

            On page 2 of this manual, black and white is written
            Section II. DESCRIPTION AND DATA
            2. DESCRIPTION
            . £ lc The Stoner light machinegun (belt-fed) is a 5 .56mm automatic
            weapon (figure 1) • The ammunition is fed into the weapon by means of
            a disintegrating metallic link belt. The weapon fires from the open-bolt
            position and features a quick-change barrel.
            The operational energy is
            provided by the gas from the fired round.
            b. Sights are adjustable in l / 4 mil increments in windage and
            elevation and are graduated on a scale from 200 to 1100 meters. The
            fully-adjustable front sight can be zeroed to the rear sight in both
            windage and elevation
            I hope you understand the difference between a free shutter and shooting with an open shutter and what limits the application of the principle of free shutter in weapons under such a cartridge?
            And the shutter is in one position. In two positions, the bolt frame is installed in order to ensure shooting from the closed bolt in the carbine version and assault rifle or shooting from the open bolt in the machine gun variant.
            1. Undecim 24 March 2020 23: 26 New
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              And this is an assault rifle manual. Unfortunately, the cover copy is a bit dark. But on pages 26-27 you will find a description of the disassembly of the bolt group.
            2. Mister X 24 March 2020 23: 40 New
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              Quote: Undecim
              You understand the difference between a free shutter and an open shutter

              In a normal situation - The free bolt during a shot is not adhered to the barrel.
              However, we are talking about the unusual Stoner system.
              I speak English poorly, I will ask the translator to work with your fragment of the instruction.
              This is a manual of the Dutch version, right?
              1. Undecim 24 March 2020 23: 50 New
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                However, we are talking about the unusual Stoner system.
                In relation to the principles of locking, this system has nothing unusual. And the full instructions can be downloaded at https://www.forgottenweapons.com/stoner-63-system/
                There is also a test report and a report on design changes, as a result of which the 63A model appeared.
                By the way, with regard to weapons terminology, which is hosted, there is a special English-Russian dictionary that experts use, since civilian translators do not know the specifics.
                He was online, you need to look.
                1. Mister X 25 March 2020 00: 54 New
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                  Quote: Undecim
                  There is also a test report and a report on design changes

                  I did not use them, maybe. It is of interest mainly to specialists.
                  Quote: Undecim
                  as for weapon terminology,

                  He was guided by the instruction for the 1957 RPD.

                  Do you have your own publications?
              2. Operator 25 March 2020 00: 41 New
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                There are automation systems and there are shooting modes.

                Automation systems include: free shutter, half-free shutter, gas engine, etc.
                The gas engine is used in Stoner-63, AK / PC, M-16, etc. Moreover, even the type of gas engine in Stoner-63 and AK / PC coincide (engine with a long stroke of a gas piston).

                There are two shooting modes - shooting from the closed shutter (the shutter group is in the extremely forward position when the trigger is pressed) and shooting from the open shutter (the shutter group is in the extremely rear position when the trigger is pressed). The first mode is used in machine guns and self-loading rifles (in order to increase the accuracy of a single fire), the second mode is used in machine guns (in order to prevent self-ignition of gunpowder in the cartridge and to reduce barrel heating during automatic fire). In Stoner-63 and AK / PC, the firing modes are precisely so distributed between types of weapons.

                PS The automatic shutter automation system is used in pistols (for example, in PM) and submachine guns (for example, in PPSh). In pistols, the firing mode from the closed bolt is used, in submachine guns - from the open.
                1. Avior 25 March 2020 02: 30 New
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                  Modern submachine guns also use firing with a closed shutter.
                  for example, Heckler & Koch MP5 shoots with the shutter closed.
                  1. Operator 25 March 2020 13: 00 New
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                    Nobody argues with this - I mentioned specific models of weapons only to illustrate automation systems and firing modes.
    2. Mister X 24 March 2020 21: 56 New
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      Let me correct the author. There were three trunks.

      hi I allow myself to object.
      I also studied this operator’s manual.
      It was compiled in the early 60s, before modernization (butts still wooden, fuse on the receiver, etc.).
      The upgraded system received the designation 63A.
      In the process of modernization, the number of trunks was increased to 6 pcs.
      1. Undecim 24 March 2020 23: 31 New
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        The upgraded system received the designation 63A.
        In the process of modernization, the number of trunks was increased to 6 pcs.

        Well, you inserted the illustration at 63.
        If about 63A, then in the process of modernization the number of trunks was increased to five: heavy and light machine guns, automatic rifle, rifle, carbine.
        1. Mister X 25 March 2020 00: 57 New
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          the number of trunks increased to five:

          add a carabiner for the survival of the pilots.
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            add a carabiner for the survival of the pilots.
            Made in a single copy.
            1. Mister X 25 March 2020 01: 32 New
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              Made in a single copy.

              But he is, right?
              Did much more heavy aircraft be produced?
              1. Undecim 25 March 2020 01: 40 New
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                A carbine for survival is a separate development. You will not collect it from the set 63, or from 63A. Unless with a hacksaw and a file.
                1. Mister X 25 March 2020 11: 13 New
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                  Quote: Undecim
                  A carbine for survival is a separate development.

                  Are we talking about the number of developed trunks, or their compatibility?
                  1. Undecim 25 March 2020 12: 22 New
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                    Are we talking about the number of developed trunks, or their compatibility?
                    We are talking about the number of trunks for each specific sample.
                    Stoner 63 - 3 pieces
                    Stoner 63A - 5 pieces
                    A carbine for survival is one in every sense.
                    If you want to go down in history, add everything up - get nine. No one had such a figure. On the network and not such nonsense can be found.
                    1. Mister X 25 March 2020 13: 25 New
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                      Quote: Undecim
                      If you want to go down in history

                      Buzova wants to go down in history.
                      I am only expressing my opinion. I have the right, right?
                      You have the same rights.
                      But do not forget that your civil liberty ends where the freedom of another citizen begins.
                      Please do not be so annoying.
                      You are too many.

                      On our controversial issue, I asked for clarification from the manufacturers, and in the Kalashnikov concern.
                      Nobody answered.
                      I don’t know who you are, what level of knowledge you have on this topic.
                      I set forth my vision of the issue, and you - yours.
                      Specialists did not respond to my request, and there is no one to judge us.
                      Do not continue to us this exchange of remarks until Christmas.

                      I do not defend my dissertation, and do not try to patent the invention.
                      I publish data, and express my personal opinion.
                      Therefore, I propose to close on this our discussions with you of the Stoner 63 system and its development.

                      I am not a military man, and not a specialist in the field of weapons.
                      But I am interested in this topic.
                      I try to double-check all the materials found, send inquiries to the manufacturer and specialists in the field.
                      The result you see.
                      Do not judge, and you will not be judged.
                      Be healthy!
  • Lipchanin 24 March 2020 19: 27 New
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    I don’t understand one request
    Why shop from above? Blindly shoot?
    Why such kookies?
    1. Mister X 24 March 2020 22: 02 New
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      Why shop from above?

      hi Perhaps the shooter can tilt his head and shoulders closer to the ground.
      The hit area becomes smaller than if the store rested on the ground.
      1. fk7777777 25 March 2020 07: 53 New
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        Ha, but just don’t tilt your arms to one side ?, and cuddle to the ground in a lying position ?, they usually do this, you can’t sculpt shops in a circle and stand in the middle of the field, but then everything that flies is your thing
        1. Mister X 25 March 2020 10: 30 New
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          cuddle

          ... the length of the 32-shot MP 38/40 protruding downward did not allow the fighter to shoot normally from a prone position or because of low shelter ...

          Chris Bishop, "Small Arms."
    2. Avior 24 March 2020 22: 14 New
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      there was such a glance once that a long magazine of automatic weapons from below would cause the soldier to rise too high above the ground and this would reduce his safety in battle, therefore stores were placed sideways or above
      1. Mister X 24 March 2020 22: 35 New
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        the automatic weapons store below will cause the fighter to rise too high above the ground

        hi There is such a thing.
        There is still an opinion that the location of shops on top is:
        - convenience of changing stores,
        - more reliable supply of cartridges.
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          but now they have already departed from this.
          Good article hi
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            Good article

            Thank you!
            Продолжение следует ...
    3. Zaits 25 March 2020 02: 09 New
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      Why shop from above? Blindly shoot?


      I suspect that a machine gun assembly (gas piston from the bottom) is more convenient for the implementation of the supply of cartridges from the tape. If the tape is missing, to use the store d. just change one detail. And being able to shoot blindly is clearly better than not being able to shoot at all.
  • Zaits 25 March 2020 01: 54 New
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    Why do you think the shutter is set in 2 different positions?
    Either the “Shark Fin" is looking down, or is the movie?


    If you carefully watch the second video, you can "consider" two functions:
    - When the “Shark fin" looks down, it secures the slide frame in the rear position.
    - At the same fin position, the firing pin begins to protrude from the shutter at the end of the rotational-translational (relative to the bolt frame) shutter movement. Those. the capsule will be pricked with a hammer at the end of the lock. When the fin is up, this is not observed.

    Well, it is worth noting that the USM rifle and machine gun are significantly different. In the same video, the presence of a trigger in one and the absence of it in the second are clearly visible. Although, it is possible that the rifle version can be screwed in a machine gun, but then the trigger will simply not be used (there are only two windows in the place of the machine gun, and the second is too small for the trigger).

    P.S. To be honest, I myself for quite some time could not get to specific places in the second video. And the ends met clearly did not meet. At first, the free shutter surprised me pretty much. And then I was surprised at the lack of a trigger in the first video watched. In general, an interesting story.

    So, it turned out a great series, and even with intrigue.
    1. Zaits 25 March 2020 02: 37 New
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      P.S.P.S. And yes, the top-bottom of the fin is guaranteed confusion. In the assembled version, it is always below, from the trigger. And will he cling to the rear position or not rather depends on his position relative to the trigger.
    2. Avior 25 March 2020 02: 39 New
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      Although, it is possible that the rifle version can be screwed in a machine gun, but then the trigger will simply not be used (there are only two windows in the place of the machine gun, and the second is too small for the trigger).

      these are different trigger
      At the same position of the fin, the firing pin begins to protrude from the shutter at the end of the rotational-translational (relative to the bolt frame) movement of the shutter. Those. the capsule will be pricked with a hammer at the end of the lock. When the fin is up, this is not observed.

      does not depend on it
      for 1 video on 12.16- the pin on the left side of the shutter in a curly neckline, it rotates the shutter when moving.
      the hammer will not appear until the shutter is locked.
    3. Mister X 25 March 2020 10: 32 New
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      so that it turned out a great series, and even with intrigue.

      hi Thank you for rating!
      Next in line is a continuation.
  • Catfish 25 March 2020 01: 54 New
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    Michael, thank you for this, since I’ve never seen Stoner’s “guts”. good drinks
    1. Zaits 25 March 2020 02: 40 New
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      Yes, the guts are valid. I have also never seen it and for a long time with such pleasure I did not tinker in the "guts".
    2. Mister X 25 March 2020 10: 33 New
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      Michael, thank you for this, since I’ve never seen Stoner’s “guts”.

      Quote: Zaits
      Yes, the guts are valid. I have also never seen it and for a long time with such pleasure I did not tinker in the "guts".

      Thank you!
      I myself have not seen them before, and honestly tried to figure it out.
  • Avior 25 March 2020 02: 24 New
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    I would like to draw attention to this.
    In my opinion, in the article and in the discussion, there was a confusion of the concepts of open shutter and free shutter.
    The free shutter is not fixed at the time of the shot, it is rolled back by inertia, but it is not used with a powerful cartridge, so that the rollback does not start until the gas pressure is high and the sleeve breaks, if it starts to come out, the shutter must have too much mass.
    In Stoner’s machine gun mode, it’s an open shutter, not a free shutter.
    That is, before the shot, the shutter is in the back position, when you press the trigger, the shutter moves forward and inserts the cartridge into the chamber.
    But this bolt is not open, before the shot it rotates, locking on the combat stops, and only after that the drummer punches the cartridge capsule and a shot occurs.
    This is clearly seen in the first video starting at 12.16.
    Shutter in the extended position - there is no hammer.
    The shutter slides, turning at the same time, the striker appears from the shutter and hits the capsule.
    when the shutter is not closed, the shot simply cannot happen.

    hi
    1. Catfish 25 March 2020 03: 11 New
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      You have an irresistible urge to give us a lecture ... smile For God's sake ... drinks
      1. Avior 25 March 2020 03: 44 New
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        sleep craving is already smile
        it turned out childishly, I didn’t pay attention to what they used to discuss as an adult smile
        1. Catfish 25 March 2020 04: 38 New
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          It’s not scary, the children grow up, and it’s natural. hi
  • Siberian54 25 March 2020 03: 38 New
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    But nothing, what exactly moon-shaped store was patented by Schmeiser in the distant forties?
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      No, nothing, I think this is not a burden to him.
    2. bunta 25 March 2020 07: 47 New
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      Quote: Siberian54
      patented by Schmeiser

      Can you name the patent number?
    3. Mister X 25 March 2020 10: 59 New
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      Quote: Siberian54
      But nothing, what exactly moon-shaped store was patented by Schmeiser in the distant forties?

      All patents have one unpleasant property: their term expires.
      An interesting article about Schmeisser patents https://topwar.ru/163226-patenty-bratev-shmajsserov-chast-i-mozhno-redaktirovat-no-ne-publikovat-vtoraja-chast-esche-v-rabote.html
      1. bunta 25 March 2020 12: 04 New
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        Quote: Mister X
        Curious article about Schmeisser's patents

        This is an unfinished article. Completely and redesigned here:
        https://zen.yandex.ru/media/kalibr/po-patentam-bratev-shmaisser-5e1779d6fe289100b0006eb2