BTR "Barys 8x8". Benefits of International Collaboration


BTR Mbombe 8. Photo by Paramount Group / paramountgroup.com


In 2013, Kazakhstan and South Africa agreed to work together in the field of armored combat vehicles. The industry of the two countries finalized several finished projects and brought some of them to serial production and operation. Other samples are just being prepared for production. Among them there is a wheeled armored wheeled vehicle (BKM) "Barys 8x8" (Kaz. "Bars").

From Africa to Asia


In 2010, the South African company Paramount Group, known for its developments in the field of armored vehicles, introduced a new model - an armored personnel carrier / infantry fighting vehicle Mbombe 6. A six-wheel all-wheel drive armored chassis was designed to transport people and mount various weapons.

Later, the Paramount Group developed a new version of the BKM with a four-axle chassis, a different armored hull and other features. Such an armored personnel carrier / infantry fighting vehicle was named Mbombe 8. Both armored vehicles are already ready for mass production and are offered to customers. To date, the development company has managed to receive several such orders.


Technique of production in Kazakhstan. In the foreground is the experienced Barys armored personnel carrier with the Ansar combat compartment. Photo by G. Bedenko / informburo.kz

In 2013, a major agreement appeared stipulating cooperation between South Africa and Kazakhstan. In accordance with it, a joint venture Kazakhstan Paramount Engineering (KPE) was created, which was to complete the development of several South African BKM and master their production. In 2014-15 A factory was built on which it was planned to deploy the assembly of equipment.

Among the samples planned for production, there were both variants of the Momboe armored personnel carrier - with a three- and four-axle chassis. Their modifications for Kazakhstan received the general name "Barys", to which the wheel formula is added.

Already in 2016, KPE manufactured the first prototype Barys 8x8. The machine went to the test and repeatedly participated in various exhibitions. Serial production has not yet begun. However, the development company does not lose time - it creates and tests new variants of the weapons complex.

Modified version


BKM "Barys 8x8" is a multi-purpose wheeled chassis with a landing compartment, capable of carrying various weapons. Depending on the equipment and assigned tasks, it can be an infantry fighting vehicle or an armored personnel carrier.


Experienced Barys 8x8 at the training ground. Photo by G. Bedenko / informburo.kz

"Barys 8x8" is built according to the traditional for modern BKM scheme with a front engine and a large inhabited compartment in the center and aft of the hull. Booking a car provides protection against small arms weapons, fragments and min. Ballistic protection corresponds to level 3 of the STANAG 4569 standard (12,7 mm non-armor-piercing bullet); mine - to level 4b (10 kg of TNT under the wheel or bottom). Mine protection is performed without the use of a V-shaped bottom, which positively affected the vertical dimensions.

In the bow of the hull there is a power plant based on a 550 hp Cummins diesel engine Transmission with automatic transmission provides all-wheel drive. Wheels with tires 16.00 R20 have an independent suspension and pneumatic brake system with ABS. Acceleration to a speed of 100 km / h, cruising range - 800 km.

The crew of the Barys 8x8 includes two or three people. The driver and commander are located in front of the inhabited compartment and have their own hatches. Behind them can be set the workplace of the gunner-operator. Aft hull holds eight seats for landing; fighters land through a ramp or sunroofs. Energy-absorbing seats are provided for the crew and the landing.


Internal units of the fighting compartment. To the left is the ammunition box, to the right is the position of the operator-gunner. Photo by G. Bedenko / informburo.kz

Like other samples of the South African development, Mbombe BTR received some new tools related to the specifics of operation in Kazakhstan. The engine warm-up system was used, there is also climate control based on an air conditioner with a capacity of 12 kW.

The Barys 8x8 armored personnel carrier has a length of 8 m with a width of 2,8 m and a height of 2,4 m (on the roof). Combat weight, depending on configuration, landing, etc. - up to 28 tons. Own mass of the car - 19 tons.

Universal platform


In accordance with current trends, Mbombe / Barys can carry various remotely controlled combat modules with different arms. To date, KPE has introduced three options for such equipment "Barysa". It is curious that one of the versions of the BKM is equipped with a Russian-developed DBM.


Ammunition loading. Photo by G. Bedenko / informburo.kz

During the first shows, Barys 8x8 carried the combat development module of the Kazakh-Turkish joint venture Kazakhstan Aselsan Engineering. This product is a fairly large turret with a 30-mm 2A42 gun, a PKT machine gun, optoelectronic systems and fire control systems. The tower is made uninhabited; the control panel is located inside the body of the carrier armored vehicle. The KAE project provides for the possibility of installing other weapons, up to 57-mm artillery systems.

Later, at one of the exhibitions, a prototype BKM was shown with a mock-up of the Russian-made AU-220M combat module. In this case, the main weapon of the Barys becomes a 57-mm automatic gun with enhanced combat characteristics. The gun is supplemented with a normal caliber machine gun.

Currently, KPE is testing an experienced armored personnel carrier with a promising Ansar combat unit of its own design, commissioned by the Ministry of Defense of Kazakhstan. This product is made in the form of a rotating tower with a turret basket carrying the necessary equipment. Inside the armored dome mounted 30-mm gun 2A72 and 7,62-mm machine gun PKT. Outside, an optical-electronic unit and a radar tracking and tracking station are located on it. In the future, the installation of anti-tank missile weapons is possible. Below the epaulet level in the basket is placed the workplace of the gunner-operator with the necessary instruments. Next to it are ammunition boxes and devices for the supply path of ammunition.


Shooting from a 30 mm gun. Photo by G. Bedenko / informburo.kz

The Ansar combat unit uses the Shyla unified fire control system, which is also used in other KPE DBMS. It includes digital surveillance and calculation tools for firing, automatic target tracking, etc. With the help of such SLAs and existing weapons, Ansar can fire ground and air targets in the entire range of ranges.

Project Perspectives


Armored wheeled vehicles "Barys" of two versions so far exist only in the form of prototypes. Already conducted tests that have shown their own characteristics of this technique. We are currently testing combat modules. For example, a few days ago the next test firing took place using the Ansar product.

"Barysy" has not yet been adopted and mass production has not yet been launched. Nevertheless, KPE is ready to begin assembling such equipment in the interests of a domestic or foreign customer. It is assumed that the first buyer will be the armed forces of Kazakhstan.

What version of the Barys 8x8 can enter service is unclear. The Army of Kazakhstan plans to replace old types of armored vehicles, and for this, various modern models with one or another feature may be needed. It can be assumed that modules with 30-mm guns have good prospects. They were developed at the request of the Ministry of Defense of Kazakhstan and confirm their characteristics.


Photo by G. Bedenko / informburo.kz

The future of the AU-220M module will be determined later - when the Russian side will present a finished sample of this product, suitable for full-fledged tests. Perhaps in the future, the development of the KAE DBMS modification with similar high-power weapons, which was originally planned, will be completed.

Advantages of cooperation


The Barys 8x8 project and other promising models of armored vehicles created and manufactured by KPE can be considered a successful example of international cooperation that has a positive effect on the condition of troops. Having no own school for the construction of armored vehicles, Kazakhstan found an opportunity to get a number of modern models.

Companies from South Africa, incl. Paramount Group are considered world leaders in the field of wheeled armored vehicles for various purposes. Collaboration with industry leaders allowed Kazakhstan to obtain modern models of equipment, and with them production technologies. In this context, cooperation with Russia should also be noted. Two projects are being considered at once, involving the installation of a 57-mm gun of Russian production, including together with a ready-made combat module.

Barys 8x8 has not yet been adopted by Kazakhstan and does not affect the country's defense. Nevertheless, the machine is already ready and undergoes various tests aimed at obtaining new opportunities. Due to this, the minimum time will pass from the signing of the contract to receiving the serial equipment - and the full potential of joint work on projects will be realized.
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  1. Lexus 19 February 2020 18: 37 New
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    Good technique ... It is a pity that we have a "cart (" Boomerang ") and now there."request
    1. sanek45744 19 February 2020 21: 24 New
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      Do you write by logic - write first with or without?
      1. Lexus 19 February 2020 21: 33 New
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        Something is wrong? "Boomerang" on the stream and in the troops? In vain "offended" - did not want to get ahead. Only here is something not one of your comments close to the topic did not notice.
        1. sanek45744 19 February 2020 22: 00 New
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          Well, the same boomerang in trials! Or according to your logic, immediately send everything to the troops
          1. Lexus 19 February 2020 22: 41 New
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            There is NOTHING to send troops, except for the armored corps. Prototypes collected "on the knee." There is no mention of a serial engine, aggregates and control equipment and is not expected in the near future. Alas, the fact.
  2. frizzy 19 February 2020 18: 40 New
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    In we give Kazakhs !!!!! The country of coal ....... !!!!!
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  3. Lamata 19 February 2020 18: 41 New
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    While here the Russian armored personnel carriers are entering.
    1. marshes 23 February 2020 14: 18 New
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      Quote: Lamata
      While here the Russian armored personnel carriers are entering.

      Of the 100 purchased 72 on the move, some are returned to the manufacturer.
      Yes, and the Minister of Defense was dismissed for attempting to purchase BTR 82 and not for explosions in warehouses.
  4. Professor Preobrazhensky 19 February 2020 18: 56 New
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    And this, like our Boomerang, is only for the development of funds, the postponement of dates and parades? Or is it supplied to the troops?
    1. sanek45744 19 February 2020 21: 22 New
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      Yes, yes, for this, what would people like you have been craving forever. Not tired of whining constantly?
      1. Professor Preobrazhensky 19 February 2020 21: 33 New
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        I had two questions:
        1. Is it in endless development?
        2. Is it supplied to the troops?
        Now read your answer to me and try to decide for yourself whether you answered my first or second question ???
        1. sanek45744 19 February 2020 22: 04 New
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          Why in eternal development? The test technique and that says it all to me. And there’s nothing to breed here. As for the troops, the car has not been finalized, so it is not in the troops
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          2. Dante Alighieri 20 February 2020 20: 20 New
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            Yes, how much can you test a metal box on wheels? Meanwhile, almost 5 years have passed since the first announcement. 5 years old, Karl! What can be experienced there for 5 years? I would also understand where such terms came from if we had never had experience in building armored personnel carriers, but there was just plenty of experience - all the key points have long been tested either on previous models or on experimental models, both in peacetime and in peacetime. and on the battlefield. What else is needed? Or do quivers shake to damage an expensive toy? So give the car to the lizard from the academician’s channel - I’m sure it will be enough for a month or two to make a final verdict. There is a fear, however, that in the end he will try to break it on a pole, but there is no other way to do a crash test wassat
            And the Kazakhs are certainly well done, but for me, the BTR-4 is still the most “native” in terms of succession to the Soviet design school, he would still have a worthy performance and a noble brigade for infantry.
            1. sanek45744 21 February 2020 08: 52 New
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              Well for you this is a box. And for others, this is a bunch of systems that need to be checked. So ride your BTR 4 and rejoice.
    2. marshes 23 February 2020 14: 20 New
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      Quote: Professor Preobrazhensky
      And this, like our Boomerang, is only for the development of funds, the postponement of dates and parades? Or is it supplied to the troops?

      It seems that only here the army team refuse a car with a weak engine, for such a mass.
  5. Sergey Averchenkov 19 February 2020 18: 57 New
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    And if Kazakhstan begins to fight with South Africa? Only your production. Overseas crafts can look beautiful. But beauty is not fighting.
    1. Lamata 19 February 2020 19: 32 New
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      Curious to fight with South Africa !!! A deep raid of the Kipchak cavalry on the day of the Atlantic Ocean, although not on the bottom of the Indian
      1. Sergey Averchenkov 19 February 2020 19: 35 New
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        Yes, I understand you. And your humor understood ... But in my words I laid a completely different meaning. If you do not understand - it happens.
        1. Lamata 19 February 2020 19: 53 New
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          As for my crafts, I’ll say this because I worked in this area, there are no capacities, something is riveted for the Navy and the army in Uralsk, like boats, sea mines, (Zenith AO) pp 90, cliffs .. but with an ambush armored vehicles.
    2. Professor Preobrazhensky 19 February 2020 19: 32 New
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      You are not confused by the distance from Kazakhstan to South Africa, to declare war between these countries?
      Just 14 km. from the border of one country to the border with another - this is a very large distance for a sudden blitzkrieg)))
      1. Lopatov 19 February 2020 20: 19 New
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        Quote: Professor Preobrazhensky
        You are not confused by the distance from Kazakhstan to South Africa, to declare war between these countries?

        But does it really matter for a good war game?
        Americans will not like something, they will impose sanctions, and Paramount Group will take it under the hood. For too tied to foreign partners, including the Boeing. And it will turn out like Iran did after their revolution.
        1. Professor Preobrazhensky 19 February 2020 20: 35 New
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          In any case, it is better to follow the path of Kazakhstan and master the production of armored vehicles, albeit in partnership, but on their territory, and this is technology and experience.
          And let’s say our joint project with Iveco, when we, on armored vehicles fully assembled in Italy, proudly stuck a sign with the name “Lynx” on the hood.
          1. Lamata 19 February 2020 21: 20 New
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            There is no base, too much has been destroyed, and it wasn’t special, if P sent the equipment for repair to the Republic of Belarus, the Russian Federation (he got a job as a lawyer in Kazspecexport, an analogue of Russian Rosoboronexport.).
            1. Talgat 148 20 February 2020 04: 10 New
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              Not everything is so bad, what doctrine is such a defense industry.
          2. sanek45744 19 February 2020 21: 27 New
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            Ahahah. What technologies and experience from the assembly of machine kits? Do not write nonsense.
            1. Professor Preobrazhensky 19 February 2020 21: 44 New
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              Participation in the construction of the Mistral, as our tops said, allowed us to get production, design, engineering, assembly and other technologies ...
              So here, a similar situation.
        2. marshes 23 February 2020 14: 26 New
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          Quote: Spade
          But does it really matter for a good war game? If the Americans don’t like something, they will impose sanctions, and the Paramount Group will take it under the hood. For too tied to foreign partners, including the Boeing. And it will turn out like Iran did after their revolution.

          There are no smells of Americans there, engines and boxes from China, although you can buy everything in Europe or in Russia, this is the uniqueness of these machines.
          We are waiting for a 120 mm mortar, like Aybat, with recoilers.
          1. Lopatov 23 February 2020 15: 13 New
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            Quote: marshes
            It doesn't smell like Americans

            The South African company itself cooperates very closely with Boeing, and is unlikely to exchange this cooperation for Kazakhstan.
            1. marshes 23 February 2020 15: 23 New
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              Quote: Spade
              The South African company itself cooperates very closely with Boeing, and is unlikely to exchange this cooperation for Kazakhstan.

              With all the re-pipe, the African lost almost 25% of the shares, because the company is private. They threw no one. The buyback was partly initiated from their side.
              Now this organization is almost autonomous, moreover, the choice of one or another is beyond the Kazakh side.
              and by the way, the article was from Gurkhan, they copied it. But the whole topic at the expense of the Battle Modules, now without Turks and South Koreans, Kazakhstan can produce itself.
              By the way, with the holiday, I myself still found it when I entered Suvorov.
  6. Zymran 19 February 2020 19: 36 New
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    I saw him at Cadex. Cool device.
  7. Military77 19 February 2020 20: 26 New
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    Ballistic protection corresponds to level 3 of the STANAG 4569 standard (12,7 mm non-armor-piercing bullet)

    Does it seem to me alone that booking is weak?
    The old man KPV (KPVT) 14,5 × 114 mm of him, as it were, this ... In a colander.
    Considering how many of them are fighting all over the world, the prospect of this product is doubtful.
    1. businessv 19 February 2020 21: 06 New
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      Does it seem to me alone that booking is weak?

      No, not one, but if you chase after strengthening the armor, the payload is lost, the pressure on the ground and other delights of the wheel drive increase. Grade 3 is the norm for such machines, although everything regarding protection always seems insufficient, including a flat bottom. Although the installation of energy-absorbing (anti-compression) seats is provided, which is already much cooler than our 82, although there is no point in comparing them because our design has been over 35 years old! Wait and see! Maybe nobody will adopt this equipment, this can also be. In any case, obtaining new, modern technologies and building new plants is much better than finishing off old designs and cutting plants for metal! soldier
    2. Talgat 148 20 February 2020 16: 52 New
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      There, not only the KPVT will not break through there and the 30 mm gun will not cope.
    3. marshes 23 February 2020 14: 28 New
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      Quote: Military77
      Does it seem to me alone that the reservation is weak? The old KPV (KPVT) 14,5 × 114 mm is like that ... In a colander. Considering how many of them are fighting around the world, the prospect of this product is doubtful.

      You can still throw 9 tons on it, by the way in the photo you can see the difference in the thickness of the reservation, where the windows are.
  8. Humpty 19 February 2020 21: 29 New
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    English uniform
    Shoulder strap french
    Japanese tobacco, ...
    The declared mine protection is quite optimistic. However, the armor from bullets in a vehicle with a combat weight of about the same as that of the T-34 causes slight bewilderment. In addition, this device does not know how to swim. There are relatively many rivers in Kazakhstan.
    Oh, my scumbag
    American,
    There will be no money
    I'll take it for sale!
    1. Talgat 148 20 February 2020 04: 07 New
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      There are few rivers in Kazakstan, but it will be necessary that there are thousands of BMP-2s which, for 30 years of independence, have not sailed anywhere, there is no need in the steppe!
      1. Humpty 20 February 2020 11: 24 New
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        Quote: Talgat 148
        There are few rivers in Kazakhstan

        A lot of . and the bridge over Balkhash is still missing.
        Quote: Talgat 148
        there is no need in the steppe!

        No problem . Souvenir army - souvenir technique. Everything is fine.
        1. Talgat 148 20 February 2020 16: 54 New
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          The souvenir army is 4 districts in Rosarmia !!!!
          But Balkhash is a lake and there is no sense in crossing it!
        2. Steen 21 February 2020 04: 44 New
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          Why a bridge over the lake?
          1. marshes 23 February 2020 14: 30 New
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            Quote: Steen
            Why a bridge over the lake?

            What would the grandmas steal.
    2. Talgat 148 20 February 2020 04: 08 New
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      If you look at the Russian army, then the English uniform too!
      Engines for the Be-200 are Ukrainian, Italian Lynx, etc.
      1. Humpty 20 February 2020 11: 33 New
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        Quote: Talgat 148
        Engines for the Be-200 Ukrainian

        Of all that Ukrainian comes to mind - dumplings, gorilka, borsch on tires.
        Quote: Talgat 148
        Lynx italian

        IMHO not in vain bought. Cooperation with Italy in the military sphere in Russia (in all its state forms) has a long and more diverse history than is usually assumed.
  9. iouris 19 February 2020 22: 27 New
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    All is well, but the headquarters of Cummins Inc. located in Columbus (Indiana, USA).
    1. Talgat 148 20 February 2020 04: 05 New
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      There are on the embankments of Chelny Kama-Kamins!))))
      1. iouris 20 February 2020 14: 48 New
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        There is. So what? This is technological dependency. At any time you will fall under "sanctions" and you will pay five times more expensive.
        1. Talgat 148 20 February 2020 16: 56 New
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          To whom war, to whom mother is dear!
          A holy place is never empty!
          (Nichosse, Russian proverbs spoke))))
          There will be another engine, at least Chinese, at least YaMZ, or some more!
  10. Sapsan136 19 February 2020 22: 59 New
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    The armored personnel carriers of the Soviet school had armor plates mounted at an angle not only in the frontal, but also in the side projections, which sometimes saved the crew’s life, since the RPG grenade simply went into the ricochet without exploding (this happened in Chechnya) ... Here the vertical armoring , there’s no chance of a rebound, and the thickness of the armor is not enough to withstand the explosion of an RPG grenade
    1. Talgat 148 20 February 2020 04: 05 New
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      And finger-thin! Few brothers burned in bats !?
      And the fact that the soldiers are moving strictly on the roof on the armor says nothing !?
      1. Sapsan136 20 February 2020 09: 54 New
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        He says .. On the roofs they’re afraid of anti-tank mines .. I don’t think that the Kazakh trough will withstand the explosion ..
        1. Talgat 148 20 February 2020 11: 20 New
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          You’ll call your BTR-80 trough!
          1. Sapsan136 20 February 2020 11: 23 New
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            Mr. Russophobe, you can equip your army even with mares and carts, instead of armored personnel carriers, for me to do this .... And before our armored personnel carriers your armored trucks, as to the sky ... not to jump ... And the fact that you continue to go to the Russian Federation for a piece of bread only confirms your inability to build your own state, a level higher than Somalia ... By the way, the quality of the Cliff machine guns issued in the USSR was much higher than what people like you are trying to do today in Kazakhstan ... Pontov is not measured, only Pontoons do not go far ...
            1. Humpty 20 February 2020 11: 59 New
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              Quote: Sapsan136
              you can equip your army with even mares

              Why are you hinting about the secret reserve of the main command - an elite detachment of equestrian parachutists, this is a secret, do not tell anyone. And then they read in the media about an even less conceivable elite (through "s") unit with a bad reputation, but on horseback.
              Quote: Sapsan136
              Ponte then you have not measured, but on the Ponte do not go far ..

              Here you are fundamentally wrong. At the show-off you will go far, without fail, sooner or later, but the place is bad.
              1. Talgat 148 20 February 2020 17: 03 New
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                What media have you read !? Himself not ashamed !? Write nonsense!
                1. Humpty 21 February 2020 07: 52 New
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                  I don’t remember the name of the media. Year 3 has passed.
                  Quote: Talgat 148
                  Write nonsense!

                  ONE of your media came up with the unthinkable nonsense about one of two consecutive incidents
                  with employees of a military unit, say "N". And without horse traction, they really do not. It was the method of using horses that was presented as fantastic. Therefore, I suggested the presence of equestrian parachutists, because read about the stranger "use" of horses.
                  1. Talgat 148 21 February 2020 16: 20 New
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                    Do not carry nonsense!
                    Somewhere they wrote, you need to be able to answer for your words!
                    We have mountain animals in the mountainous parts like you!
                    ... mounted paratroopers .... You yourself can imagine how it is!?))) (
                    1. Humpty 21 February 2020 16: 24 New
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                      Quote: Talgat 148
                      You yourself can imagine how it is !?)))

                      Your media invented equestrian climbers. I just simplified the task.
                      1. Talgat 148 21 February 2020 18: 46 New
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                        Mounted climbers were still in the Red Army!))
            2. Talgat 148 20 February 2020 16: 59 New
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              For a piece of bread, it’s you who come to us !!!
              Mr. Kazakofobe, you’re just jealous of the carts we drive!
              Thousands of machine guns are sold in Arab countries to Arab countries, and your laudatory CORD is a raw copy of the NSV !!!!)))
              Find CORD on sale in the market !? Can Indians take it or someone else! ???
              You don’t know you don’t need la-la, do not touch the team of the Metallist factory !!!!
              1. Sapsan136 20 February 2020 19: 30 New
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                We are to you ?! Do not make me laugh! You have begged for the S-300 air defense systems that were written off from the Russian air defense ... KORD proved its effectiveness in competitions where you hit the targets exactly, and your basmachi, with the Cliff, could only scare the raven ... without hitting a single target ...
                1. Talgat 148 20 February 2020 20: 30 New
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                  CORD complete garbage, there is not one episode of hostilities, no evidence is your one, as always, nonsense!
                  The S-300 has been repaired at our expense, you are begging for a single air defense so that we cover your belly! If we are not Chinese or someone else will blow you away from Central Asia!
                  So salt to God that we are alive and well!
                  And the cliff is power !!!!
                  1. Sapsan136 20 February 2020 20: 36 New
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                    And this is Putin’s mistake, who still lives on the stereotypes of the USSR and does not understand that the USSR is no longer there, you are strangers, you are sick with Russophobia and you DO NOT NEED, from the word at all ... AND THE UNION WITH YOU IS NOT NEEDED AND YOU DO NOT NEED IN RF! RUSSIA DOESN'T NEED GASTERS AT ALL! The fact that your TV does not show how ... disgraced .... your army in competitions, these are your problems
                    1. Talgat 148 21 February 2020 16: 18 New
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                      All of us show, nowhere are we dishonored! And we are creating competition!
                      You are sick not only with Kazakhophobia, you are sick with other peoples-phobia !!!!!
                      And Gaster will soon be your whole! Soon the grandchildren will be kissing similar to Gaster!))))
                      1. Sapsan136 21 February 2020 20: 41 New
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                        I normally relate to adequate people of any nationality, but to all the titular nationalities of the republics of the former USSR that separated from Russia, I am mirrored and nothing more .. The competitions where your failed at the competitions are in social networks, you will find, if you're interested, I won’t search .. I’ve already seen, but I’m not going to get you six ..
                      2. Talgat 148 22 February 2020 12: 47 New
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                        I can give a bunch of video link where Russian units fail!)))
                        New Year's storm of Grozny for example!
                        And six inappropriately. People must be respected! All peoples and nations!
                      3. Sapsan136 24 February 2020 00: 05 New
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                        Do you respect all nations and nations ?! Tell it to Russian refugees from Alma-Ata in the Russian Federation ... New Year's storm of Grozny? What do you know about this? Russia took Grozny twice, and whom did your army defeat?
                      4. Talgat 148 24 February 2020 08: 01 New
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                        We won, we had no war!

                        There were no refugees from Almaty in Kazakhstan, no, and never will be!
                        Russian brothers live with us! And whoever left, I understand them, I would also have left for their historical homeland, but if Russia, Ukraine and Belarus had not destroyed the USSR, then no one would have to leave!
                      5. Sapsan136 24 February 2020 11: 20 New
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                        There are refugees from Alma-Ata, denying this lodge, come and introduce me ... They left because of your nationalism and Russophobia ... The USSR was ruined by national minorities whose bais wanted to sit as independent kings, even if only in a single village ... Military conflict began in Karabakh in 1987 ... is Russia to blame? Your small-town nationalism is to blame, and not Russia ... You had deserters who massively disrupted mobilization during the First World War and completely surrendered to gangs, that’s all your victories ..
          2. Yaik Cossack 22 February 2020 03: 19 New
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            Yeah, production was established in Soviet times at a factory in Uralsk then in Russia. What does Kyrgyzstan have to do with it?
            1. Talgat 148 22 February 2020 12: 50 New
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              Not in Russian Uralsk, but in Uralsk of Soviet Kazakhstan! Enough to impose your version of history on everyone !!!!
              Indeed, what does the Kyrgyz have to do with it! ?????)))))
              Not awake or a head with a hangover !?
  • xomaNN 20 February 2020 15: 35 New
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    International cooperation in developing arms seems to be a good thing. Here is just an example of how France with the “Mistrals” and the Germans with diesel engines “threw” the Russian Federation as soon as they introduced it. sanctions. And so ... all contracts were signed and executed by the Customer (RF). And so ... Advances paid for goods not received. Their developments were not conducted and time was lost.
    1. Talgat 148 20 February 2020 17: 02 New
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      There are countries that do not throw!
      1. Yaik Cossack 22 February 2020 03: 22 New
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        Take more loans from China. And ... wait and see who will throw someone and what will remain of your ethnocratic semi-fascist state in the medium term.
        1. Talgat 148 22 February 2020 04: 04 New
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          Take, be sure, and return as always returned, the external debt of the Russian Federation is much higher per capita than in the Republic of Kazakhstan!)))))
          And soon kirdyk will come to this system of the financial world, and we will at least live on a grand scale!