Warships. Cruisers. One step to perfection

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The next stage in the development of the Japanese shipbuilding program, and specifically heavy cruisers. From the Myoko to the Mogami and Tone, the path of the Japanese shipbuilders was through the project of heavy cruisers such as the Takao.

Cruisers of the Takao type became a further stage in the development of the Myoko project. When developing the ships, the Japanese ignored the so-called Washington restrictions, therefore, on the one hand, of course, they did not meet the limit of 10 tons, on the other hand, they placed everything they wanted into the ships. Well, almost everything.



But what was wanted in a minimal configuration was enough to make Takao ships the largest Japanese cruisers.


On the one hand, the ships turned out to be very heavily overloaded above the waterline, on the other ... We will talk about displacement later, but about how the designers of Fujimoto and Hirag managed to drive into cruisers, now.

Of course, looking at the photo, one can immediately notice the very massive armored superstructures, more appropriate on the battleship (not of the Fuso type, of course) than on the cruiser. But the matter is not even in the thick armor of add-ons, although for identification they are the very thing.


But let's go in order.

Tacao, Atago, Maya and Chokai.


All four cruisers were laid between April 28, 1927 and April 5, 1931. “Takao” and “Atagi” were built at naval shipyards in Yokosuka and Kura, “Maya” was built by Kawasaki's own factory in Kobe, and “ Chokai "assembled from metal Mitsubishi firm in Nagasaki. By tradition, the ships were named in honor of the highest peaks of the Japanese islands.

At the time of the outbreak of the war, having undergone a number of modernizations, cruisers of the Tacao type had the following characteristics:

- length over the hull: 203,8 m;
- midship-beam width: 20,4 m;
- draft: 6,32 m.

Displacement, of course, varied. The total at Takao and Atago was 15 875 tons, at Maya and Chokai - 13 900 tons. It is clear that the standards prescribed by the Washington Treaty were far away, hence some advantages over the standard "Washington".


As a cruiser power plant, they had 12 canton boilers, four turbo-gear units and four propellers. The power plant capacity is 133 liters. sec., which provided a very good speed - 000 knots. Estimated cruising range with a 34,25-nodal course is 14 nautical miles. The crew of the cruiser consisted of 8500-740 people.

Reservation The thickness of the armor belt of the Tacao cruisers was 127 mm, the thickness of the armored deck was 35 mm (over the EU up to 70-90 mm), and the walls of the superstructure were 10-16 mm. Traverses 75-100 mm, towers 25 mm, barbettes 75 mm. On the whole, it’s very worthy and richer than that of Myoko.

Armament. Here the Japanese designers came off in full.

The main caliber of the Tacao type cruisers was 203-mm guns in five two-gun E-type towers. Three towers were located in the bow, two - in the stern.




The auxiliary caliber was represented by eight 127-mm universal guns in four two-gun towers, two towers on each side.

Flak. 25 automatic cannons of caliber 25 mm in coaxial and built installations, 12 machine guns "Type 96" 13,2 mm in six coaxial installations. In 1944, the cruisers underwent modernization, during which the number of anti-aircraft artillery was significantly increased. At Atago and Takao, the number of 25-mm machine guns was increased to 60 barrels (6x3, 6x2 and 30x1), at Chokai up to 38 (8x2 and 22x1) and at Maya up to 66 (13x3 and 27x1). Plus, each cruiser received from 10 to 13 "sparks" of 13,2 mm machine guns.

Warships. Cruisers. One step to perfection

Torpedo weapons. Initially, twin TAs were installed on the cruisers, but in the course of improvements, four 610 mm torpedo tubes were installed on the sides, two on each side. Ammunition for torpedoes was 24 pieces, 16 in the vehicles and another 8 in a special lightly armored storage.

It’s unusual for cruisers, all the more difficult, but since 1942 each cruiser has carried deep bombs! At the stern of the ships guides were mounted for dropping, and each ship took on board another 24 depth charges.

Each cruiser was equipped with two aviation powder catapults, the air group consisted of three seaplanes.



The armament of the ships was more than impressive. Yes, there was a place to overload, but it was clearly worth it.

It is worth noting that for the Tacao type cruisers, for the first time, 203 mm / 50 Type 3 main guns No. 2 were used. The elevation angle of the main guns increased to 70 °, which in theory allowed them to be fired at by aircraft. Hence a slight decrease in the barrels of universal artillery and an attempt to compensate for the decrease in 127-mm guns with 25 mm automatic weapons.


Compared to the Myoko, the Takao cruisers were simply floating hotels in terms of crew accommodation.

The cockpits of ordinary composition were located on the lower deck in the stern, as well as on the middle deck from the stern to the chimney area of ​​the first and second boiler rooms.

Officers' cabins were concentrated in the bow on the lower and middle decks, there was also a cabin-campaign.

Due to the smaller crew size and the transfer of torpedo tubes to the upper deck, the living quarters were significantly more spacious than on the Myoko. But in addition to a simple increase in living space, the number of fans (up to 66 pieces), providing an influx of fresh air to the casemates, was significantly increased, and air conditioning began to be supplied not only to the towers and ammunition cellars, but also to the ship control posts.

The ships had fairly extensive storage rooms for rice and wheat, guaranteeing autonomy, and even a special freezer for meat and fish with a volume of 67 cubic meters.

Galleys and infirmaries were separate for officers and sailors, baths for sailors, non-commissioned officers and officers were separate too!

In general, it turned out that the Japanese can build not only fast and strong ships, but also relatively comfortable. Compared to Furutaki and Myoko, they are luxurious.

Combat service.


All four cruisers went into operation from March 30, 1932 to June 30, 1932. They were assigned to the 4th Division of the 2nd fleet. There they changed just the same “Meko”. And from 1932 to the beginning of World War II, cruisers took part in the maneuvers, campaigns and shows of the Imperial Japanese Navy.

Ships entered the war after passing a series of modernizations that changed both the appearance and power of the ships.


In September 1941, all four cruisers were assigned to the battleships “Congo” and “Haruna” of the 3rd Division, thereby forming the core of the Southern forces commanded by Admiral Kondo.

The Kondo fleet provided long-range cover for operations in Malaya and Borneo. Having captured Malaya, the compound fought in the area of ​​Australia and the islands of Sumatra and Java, after which the Takao and Maya went to Yokosuka for repairs, during which the latest 127-mm universal guns in two-gun towers were installed on the ships.

Further, the cruisers took part in the operation near the Aleutian Islands, the purpose of which was to divert the attention of American forces from Midway. It turned out so-so.

The Chokai successfully participated in the battle off the island of Savo, and the other three cruisers were noted in the battle off the island of Guadalcanal. Takao, Atago, and Maya, along with the ships of the 5th Division, Myoko and Haguro, joined Admiral Nagumo’s aircraft carrier group.


This Japanese fleet converged in battle with the American formation TF-61 at the battle of the Solomon Islands. All five Japanese heavy cruisers took part in a night battle with American ships, and at the end of the Battle of Santa Cruz they took part in the sinking of the Hornst aircraft carrier.

On the night of November 14–15, 1942, the cruisers Takao and Atago, together with the old battleship Kirishima, as well as destroyers, were sent to fire at Henderson Field airfield.


However, the Japanese were not lucky. The connection ran into the American battleships South Dakota and Washington. Both American ships concentrated fire on the Japanese battleship "Kirishima", enabling both Japanese cruisers to fire the main caliber without interference.

At least 16 HE shells of 203 mm caliber, fired from a distance of just 5 km by both Japanese cruisers, then hit the South Dakota. In that battle, Takao was not injured at all, and Atago received moderate injuries. On "Kirishima" the same fire broke out, later the battleship sank. "South Dakota" left the scene of the battle on its own, which indicates not the most severe damage.

Further, the cruisers took part in the evacuation of the garrison of Guadalcanal, operations in the area of ​​the Envetok Atoll, the battle of the Mariana Islands.

Well, the last big battle was the battle in Leyte Gulf.


October 22, 1944 four cruisers passed through the Palawan Strait. So for them the naval battle in Leyte Gulf began.

On October 23, two torpedoes fired by the American submarine Darter hit the Tacao. Through the holes made on board by the explosion of torpedoes, large quantities of water began to flow into the cruiser’s boiler rooms. Explosions also damaged starboard steering and propellers. The ship started a fire, the cruiser received a roll of 10 degrees.

It was possible to level the cruiser by flooding the compartments of the opposite side, but now the Tacao was too low in the water. It was possible to extinguish the fire, after which the Takao, accompanied by two destroyers, crawled to Brunei.

The crew of the submarine "Darter" did not calm down and continued the topic, dropping four torpedoes into the cruiser "Atago". After a while, the cruiser sank.

Around the same time, another submarine of the United States Navy, the Day, attacked the Maya cruiser, firing four torpedoes from its bow torpedo tubes. Torpedoes hit the port side of the cruiser, which sank.

On October 25, the Chokai cruiser was heavily damaged by a bomb dropped by TVM-1. The damage was so serious that the cruiser had to finish off with torpedoes due to the inability to tow.

The heavily damaged Takao was the only cruiser to survive the battle in Leyte Gulf. The Takao safely reached first Brunei, and then Singapore, where it joined the 1st Southern Expeditionary Fleet along with the cruisers Mioko, Ashigara and Haguro.

They didn’t begin to repair Takao, along with the damaged Mioko, it was flooded on a sandbank and used as an anti-aircraft battery, since the air defense barrels were more than enough.

Unaware of the real state of the cruisers, the British sent two ultra-small submarines to destroy them, which on July 31, 1945 attempted to attack the ships. By mistake, both submarines approached the side of one ship ...

Tacao is out of luck. Each mini-submarine carried a subversive charge weighing 1 ton and six 35-kg “sticky” mines. Subversive charges for some reason did not explode, but sticky mines made a significant hole in the hull.

Strange, but the cruiser flooded in shallow water refused to sink further. And finally the cruiser was flooded in the Strait of Malaisk by the British after the end of hostilities - October 27, 1946

Cruisers of the Tacao type were a development of the Myoko type. Changes in the design of Tacao relative to Myoko were both positive and negative.

“Takao” had an armored belt of a much larger area, and much better protection of the cellars with ammunition, both vertical and horizontal. New rotary torpedo tubes with faster torpedoes instead of stationary twin-tube ones on the lower deck. More decent conditions for the crew. No wonder the Japanese admirals gladly appointed Tacao-class cruisers as flagships.

Of course, there were cons.

New add-ons, rather bulky, increased windage and top weight. But still, the add-in was very useful, and the placement of all control posts in it, and under good armor, nevertheless outweighed the windage.






This is not to say that the new 203 mm guns were successful. They had worse accuracy than those that carried the Myoko, and the fact that they could fire on air targets in principle deprived the cruisers of a pair of useful 127 mm universal guns.

It is clear that the main problem was the overload of ships. And the displacement increased to 15 tons slightly reduced the maximum speed. Although, thanks to a successful power plant, the speed was already quite decent (000 knots).


But, in my opinion, the extremely weak anti-torpedo protection became the main weakness of Takao-class cruisers. The fact that ships are very vulnerable to torpedoes predetermined their end.

However, Takao, Atago, Maya and Chokai quite clearly demonstrated that with their development and construction Japanese shipbuilders reached a new level. And to the top there was very little.
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  1. +3
    1 February 2020 04: 00
    Roman Skomorokhov! good
    Warships. Cruisers. One step to perfection...
    However, Takao, Atago, Maya and Chokai quite clearly demonstrated that with their development and construction Japanese shipbuilders reached a new level. And to the top there was very little.

    As far as I know
    THIS PERFECTION DOES NOT KNOW THE LIMIT!
    But, sometimes there is confirmation that the new is the well-forgotten old.
  2. +3
    1 February 2020 07: 42
    Cardboard towers, like all Japanese TKr. Another minus
    1. +3
      1 February 2020 16: 27
      Quote: Tlauicol
      Cardboard towers, like all Japanese TKr. Another minus

      The British, "Yorks" and "County", also did not suffer from an excess of tower armor. Maybe this was the point, since it was clearly not possible to provide adequate protection against 8 "shells, while maintaining a reasonable weight of cruiser towers. The average" hospital "8" shell penetrated horizontal armor 10000-200mm at 250m, 6 "about 80mm
  3. -11
    1 February 2020 08: 10
    As if there was a problem, how to shoot the main caliber guns. Due to the unassembled guns, the Bismarck battleship perished by the way.
    1. +9
      1 February 2020 08: 19
      Quote: Thrifty
      As if there was a problem, how to shoot the main caliber guns. Due to the unassembled guns, the Bismarck battleship perished by the way.

      How did he get into the hood?
      1. -13
        1 February 2020 08: 26
        I somehow read the translation of the report about that fight. The problem was that on the first tower, as on the last, there was a desynchronization when fired, and the guns were fired at a distance of about 15 kilometers, all of them, and at a greater distance, especially since one of the towers had some kind of defect, and after the removal of its guns did not target the maximum possible firing range. The hit in Hood was two shells, and there were two volleys, that is, at least 6 shells "went into milk".
    2. +14
      1 February 2020 09: 46
      Thrifty, respect the Russian language and those who read your comments. The gunsmiths have a saying - "They shoot dogs, and weapons lead to normal combat." May man's best friends forgive me ...
    3. +10
      1 February 2020 09: 55
      Quote: Thrifty
      Because of the unassembled guns, the Bismarck battleship perished by the way.

      Rodney opened fire at 08.47
      "Bismarck" replied at 08.49
      The main PUO destroyed at 08.59
      /// Management is probably transferred to the bow PUW ///
      Management on aft PUO transferred at 09.10
      Nose PUO destroyed at 09.12
      Range finder PUO destroyed at 09.13

      Tower "Anton": at 8:58 the 18th salvo of "Rodney" hit the forecastle near the tower "Anton", disabling the hydraulics of the tower. The tower stopped firing, but at 09.27 the tower fired one volley ...
      Tower "Bruno": at 9:02 am one shell from either "Rodney" or "King" (it is not clear here) pierced the upper part of the barbette of the "Bruno" tower, exploding inside and completely knocking out the rear plate of the tower (when examining the Bismarck hull a hole was found along the uppermost edge of the barbet, about 700 mm long).
      Tower "Caesar": at 9.31 a 356 mm projectile hit the frontal plate of the "Caesar" tower, there was no armor penetration, but the concussion disabled the horizontal and vertical aiming mechanisms: the tower did not fire further.
      Tower "Dora": at 9.21 the right gun of the "Dora" tower exploded from the explosion of its own shell in the barrel. The turret fired two more shots with its left gun and stopped firing. (When examining the remains of the Bismarck, it was found that the barbet had two holes, probably from 406 mm shells.)
      In the "bottom line": within 15 minutes "Bismarck" lost half of the artillery and a significant part of the main fire control devices of the main battery.
  4. -2
    1 February 2020 08: 50
    Thanks for another interesting article. Indeed, add-ons for that time look very futuristic)
  5. ABM
    +11
    1 February 2020 11: 05
    "But the main weakness of the Takao-class cruisers was, in my opinion, extremely weak anti-torpedo protection. The fact that the ships are very vulnerable to torpedoes predetermined their end."

    - With such a displacement, not a single PTZ did not provide protection against new torpedoes. The Americans did not install it at all on their ships, realizing that this was pointless.
  6. +3
    1 February 2020 11: 21
    Interestingly, if the Japanese had a classic 3x3 artillery scheme, would they get an even more balanced ship?
    Typically, the scatter in the increased number of towers is explained by the fact that fewer guns fail if one of the towers is damaged. But the price is very high.
    1. +1
      1 February 2020 13: 45
      Still, the classical scheme is 4 to 2. Of the full-fledged TCR 3 to 3 were only among the Americans.
      1. +1
        1 February 2020 16: 54
        Fair remark, but the question remains.
  7. +10
    1 February 2020 12: 01
    Reservation The thickness of the armored belt of the Tacao type cruisers was 127 mm, the thickness of the armored deck was 35 mm (over the EU up to 70-90 mm), and the walls of the superstructure were 10-16 mm. Traverses 75-100 mm, towers 25 mm, barbettes 75 mm.

    Reservation scheme for Takao class cruisers. The thickness of the main armor belt made of NVNC steel is 102 mm. Armor 127 mm was protected only by the ammunition cellar.
    The deck was 32-35 mm thick. 70-89 mm - this is the vertical protection of the ducts.
    1. +6
      1 February 2020 13: 26
      But still, the add-in was very useful, and the placement of all control posts, and under good armor, still outweighed the windage.

      As you can see from the diagram, a maximum of 16 mm, moreover, not even armor, but high-tensile steel.
      1. +3
        1 February 2020 21: 20
        It is worth noting that the Japanese also knew about the exaggeration of the superstructure of these ships (in size and volume they were comparable to those on battleships such as Prince of Wales !!!).
        Takao and Atago managed to go through modernization before the war, in which these add-ons were significantly reduced


        Left Tacao 1937, right Tacao 1939
  8. +5
    1 February 2020 12: 08
    The author is slightly mistaken. The superstructures were not booked even on battleships, because if such volumes are booked, the "upper weight" will be simply huge - such a concept as stability will simply have to be forgotten. In the superstructure, only the conning tower and the KDP were armored, well, sometimes the command (captain's) bridge was protected with light (bulletproof, splinterproof) armor.
  9. 0
    1 February 2020 12: 23
    Where is the article about Meco? I read about Furutaka and Aoba, and then Takao immediately.
    1. +1
      1 February 2020 20: 56
      That was earlier

      https://topwar.ru/165580-boevye-korabli-uprjamoe-sovershenstvo.html
  10. +4
    1 February 2020 13: 17
    Almost all of these cruisers died from torpedoes.
    But here the designers are not to blame. There is still no protection against torpedoes.
  11. +11
    1 February 2020 14: 16
    Displacement, of course, varied. The total at Takao and Atago was 15 875 tons, at Maya and Chokai - 13 900 tons. It is clear that the standards prescribed by the Washington Treaty were far away, hence some advantages over the standard "Washington".


    I really don't know why, the author, when he writes about the TAKAO cruisers and compares them to other "Washington cruisers", he writes their "full Displacement" !!![(moreover, this is really not a full Displacement !!!!)


    Compare comparable ones - in this case standard displacement. This concept was introduced in the Washington Treaty in 1922 as a single way to measure the weight of ships. Includes a vessel equipped and ready to sail, with crew, ammunition, supplies, drinking water, boiler water, etc., But without fuel and boiler water. The standard unit of buoyancy is the long English ton (1016 kg), which is sometimes called the standard ton (tf) or Washington tone (tW) for distinction.

    Until the mid 1920s, the Japanese used the British standard normal displacement (a vessel with ¼ fuel, ¾ ammunition, ⅓-⅔ supplies and lubricants and without a supply of boiler water), expressed in “long” English tons (ts) = 1016 kg.

    Since the late 1920s, the Japanese began to consider displacement, defined as the “test”, expressed in metric tons - a vessel with all ammunition and crew, but with reserves of fuel, lubricants, boiler and drinking water and other supplies.

    Normal Displacement is expressed as 2/3 of the “tested” in metric tons.


    The standard displacement for Tacao after construction was 11ts (from planned 10000ts), normal Displacement - 2/3 "tested" 14 129-14 260 t (instead of 12986 t) Metric tons!

    Only after the modernization of the cruisers "Atago" and "Takao" (the reconstruction of the remaining ships was suspended due to the beginning of the war.) - normal Displacement expressed as 2/3 "tested" in metric tons increased to 15 152-15 838 tons.
  12. +2
    1 February 2020 15: 30
    Roman, thanks for continuing!
    As a child, I read in the magazine "Modelist-Constructor" an interesting story about the attack by mini-submarines of the cruiser "Takao" in Singapore. Here, we managed to find it, however, on a Ukrainian resource. hi
  13. +11
    1 February 2020 15: 32
    But, in my opinion, the extremely weak anti-torpedo protection became the main weakness of Takao-class cruisers. The fact that ships are very vulnerable to torpedoes predetermined their end.

    M-yes ... We write that this is really the personal opinion of the author smile Show me a cruiser with a displacement of about 10000 tons, which PTZ was at the level of a battleship? Roman, battleships with a much larger displacement than that of "Takao", it is almost impossible to protect from torpedoes, and you write this about cruisers lol Another thing that the Japanese managed to shove at least some semblance of PTZ on the cruiser is already a huge plus for them, as engineers and builders. Many brothers did not have anything like that. And do not forget that in any battle it is important WHERE a torpedo hits. A ship can be torn off with aft, but if the transverse bulkheads are intact, then it will stay afloat .. And it can fall into the middle, into a bulkhead of adjacent compartments, where there are mechanisms to provide drainage with energy, and such a ship will be doomed .. . Careful to be in the conclusions request
    "South Dakota" left the scene of the battle on its own, which indicates not the most severe damage.

    Any battleship the size of the South Dakota will have 203mm shells like an elephant's grain. And how could cruiser fire cause any damage to the battleship's turbines protected by 310mm armor? But they could cause much more damage if ...
    And the South Dakota at 0.08 managed to get out of the enemy’s fire. There was no way to continue the night battle. The battleship had serious problems: only one radar could operate, the directors and internal communication systems were disabled, the third tower of the Civil Code did not rotate. It could have been worse if it were not for the large deceleration of the fuses of Japanese shells (0,4 - 0,08 s versus 0,035 - 0,02 for Americans). They were calculated on drawing underwater holes in the waterline area. In addition to a large delay of the fuse, the shells had a special shape of the head tips, which created better conditions for movement on the underwater part of the trajectory. However, as a result, many of them punched through the add-ons and flew into the sea without a gap or exploded from the opposite side at a fairly large distance from the enemy ship.

    The Japanese have fooled themselves. High-explosive shells in this case could easily destroy all the fire control systems of the American battleship, easily removing it from the game much earlier. But where in a war without such "accidents" as all the same quality of ammunition request
    And so well, very decent cruisers hi
    1. +4
      1 February 2020 16: 39
      Any battleship the size of the South Dakota will have 203mm shells like an elephant's grain. And how could cruiser fire cause any damage to the battleship's turbines protected by 310mm armor? But they could cause much more damage if ...

      Ehhh! You just took it all from my tongue. I literally wanted to repeat word for word - I did not have time .... hi Well, except that: - hits from 5 to 14dm were recorded 27 !!. At 23-33, the power was de-energized and radio communications were completely destroyed. Well, the Long Lances did not hit the battleship. That would be pinned with amerovskaya PTZ lol
    2. 0
      2 February 2020 07: 22
      Rather, everyone was fooled by the traditional version of history. After the Tsushima battle, in which the Japanese allegedly won, largely thanks to the use of only high-explosive shells stuffed with the mythical "shimoza", ALL countries began to improve the armor-piercing shell. Russia, Germany and France have made great strides. And the British, according to the experience of the Japanese using shells stuffed with melinite (which the Japanese passed off as shells equipped with a mythical "shimoza") began to equip their armor-piercing shells with black powder. By the time of World War II, the Japanese practically abandoned high-explosive shells for naval artillery of above average caliber.
      1. +2
        2 February 2020 17: 14
        And what is mythical about her? Shimoza is the name of a Japanese officer (if memory serves as a captain), who was involved in the introduction of explosives based on trinitrophenol in Japan. In England, this BB was called liddit. In France and Russia, melinitis. In Italy, perthite. And no mythology)
        1. 0
          3 February 2020 21: 09
          The very real existence of such a person is subject to reasonable doubt.
          The Japanese did not have the technology for manufacturing large-caliber shells.
          Could they reload large-caliber shells?
          Have the technology to increase the internal volume of shells?
          Why, if the mythical "shimosa" and melinite is an explosive based on picric acid. Pyroxylin has been used in Germany and Russia.
    3. +2
      2 February 2020 14: 08
      The French heavy cruiser "Algerie" Armor has been supplemented with an advanced passive protection system against underwater explosions, unique to this class of ships, with a depth (thickness) of 5,1 m from the sides to the inside of the hull.

      Not all battleships boast the same depth of the passive explosion protection system.
      1. +2
        2 February 2020 21: 00
        Quote: Constanty
        unique to this class of ships, with a depth (thickness) of 5,1 m from the sides to the inside of the hull.

        This is exactly Yes But the paddlers, although they created a very successful and balanced ship and practically fell within the limit of displacement, still they sacrificed speed (hence the power of the mechanisms) for the sake of better protection. Therefore, less weight and smaller dimensions of the KTU plus smaller hull dimensions with a reduced bead height allowed to get hold of a decent PTZ with a midship width of 5 m.While the vertical armor of the belt was located vertically, without collapse, which does not add the quality of armor protection.
        All the same, a warship with a limited displacement is always a victim of compromise hi
        1. +2
          2 February 2020 23: 41
          31 knots is a decent speed. In combat conditions, the cruisers in one way or another did not develop such a speed.

          In addition, for example, Italians gave test results for unfinished and not fully equipped ships, hence the impressive results.

          The Algerie also had fantastic for French cruisers and a potential adversary. A range of 8700 nautical miles at a speed of 15 knots

          On the other hand were considered a drawback, somewhat worse marine properties due to their smaller size and lowered side in the bow.
    4. +1
      4 February 2020 11: 22
      Quote: Rurikovich
      Any battleship the size of the South Dakota will have 203 mm shells like an elephant.

      Well, there was one LC incapacitated by 203 mm shells. True, there the entire four sisters were given the LK class, rather, in advance - whatever they were doing, no matter how modernized they were, they all the same actually remained LKR. wink
      1. 0
        4 February 2020 17: 29
        Quote: Alexey RA
        Well, there was one LC incapacitated by 203 mm shells.

        So I meant the REAL battleships, not the battlecruisers of the "Congo" type Yes
      2. 0
        18 February 2020 23: 32
        In these English LCR (even if from Japan) wink there is something - some historians claim that the famous HMS Hood was not the victim of a 380 mm Bismarck LC gun, but a 203 mm Prinz Eugen TKR
  14. +4
    1 February 2020 20: 40
    The cruisers are certainly just handsome! Almost ideal. Thanks to the author for the article!
  15. Hog
    +1
    2 February 2020 00: 13
    The previous articles were better, but there are a lot of inaccuracies in this, starting from the 127mm armored belt and ending with the poor PTZ.
    deprived the cruisers of a pair of such useful 127-mm universal guns

    And where are they lost?
    Tacao: 4x2 127 mm / 40 type 89 (on Maya in general 6).
    Myoko: 4x2 127 mm / 40 type 89.
  16. -4
    2 February 2020 08: 01
    The "dilettan" school of shipbuilding is evident.
    The Japanese again decided to pour two liters into a liter vessel.
    Ships initially turned out to be very heavily overloaded, with low stability and seaworthiness.
    Extensive modernization was required with the installation of new boules. But, low stability and poor seaworthiness remained.
    It is enough to compare with analogues of the main enemy.
    In 1930, two Portland-class cruisers were laid down in the United States. Compared with the previous type - "Northampton" ships received enhanced protection, while maintaining excellent seaworthiness.
    The standard displacement is 10258 tons.
    The next type is New Orleans. The booking has been strengthened. The ships received a zone of free maneuvering under fire of 8 "guns in the range from 60 to 110 kbt., At a course angle of 60 degrees.
    Standard displacement 9950 t.
    With close armament and level of protection, the Americans managed to get by with a smaller displacement. Their ships did not require modernization with extensive hull work.
    Their ships were originally designed more competently.
    PS Returning to the first four Japanese heavy cruisers.
    All of them went through repeated upgrades and work on the hull.
    As a result, the displacement of the first pair. standard - 8700 t., second pair - 9088 t.
    For comparison:
    Standard displacement "Exeter" - 8390 tons, weapons: 6 * 203mm
    Standard displacement "Pensacola" -9100 tons, weapons: 10 * 203mm
    Standard displacement "Northampton" -9006 tons, armament: 9 * 203mm
    These analogues, with a very close standard displacement and a comparable level of protection, were able to much better seaworthiness, and the Americans and more powerful weapons.
    1. +8
      2 February 2020 10: 44
      Quote: ignoto
      The next type is New Orleans. The booking has been strengthened. The ships received a zone of free maneuvering under fire of 8 "guns in the range from 60 to 110 kbt.

      Seriously? :))))) M-dya, at least try to write about TKR yourself :)))
      1. +2
        2 February 2020 20: 38
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        M-dya, at least try to write about TKR yourself :)))

        It would not hurt, dear colleague, first to finish the cycle about "stones" wink And then you look at "To be continued ..." and sigh feel It is understandable - work, distances ... But still request C y drinks hi
        1. +1
          3 February 2020 09: 33
          Of course :) For TKR, if I take it, it is only in a very distant future ..
      2. 0
        3 February 2020 20: 20
        This information is from the work of Sergey Vladimirovich Patyanin.
        He is one of the recognized authorities, researchers in the history of naval shipbuilding.
        He, monographically and co-authored dozens of books, and no less articles.
        Do not trust?
        I myself, sometimes, am willing to argue with the authorities.
        My favorite topic: "underdogs" - Japanese armored cruisers of an extremely unsuccessful project.
        But, in this case, I have no reason not to trust Sergey Vladimirovich.
        Do not agree, write your monograph.
        I professionally understand what historiography is.
        An alternative, but well-reasoned point of view does not hinder this topic at all.
    2. +2
      2 February 2020 16: 46
      Gg with their low sides Orleans had worse seaworthiness than Tacao .. Where did you get such conclusions .... Speed ​​is lower ...
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        3 February 2020 20: 55
        Initially, according to the project, "Takao" had a standard displacement of 9850 tons.
        In fact, it turned out 11350 tons.
        Overload 1500 t.
        Construction overload.
        And all that is connected with it: large draft, lower freeboard height, extremely low stability. If we add to this the weakness of the hull, the sharp contours of the bow and its overstretch, and as a consequence - the worst germination on a wave ...
        To improve seaworthiness, it was necessary to install new boules, which increased the width of the hull.
        The standard displacement increased to 12570 tons. But, this did not solve the problem. In addition, only two out of four cruisers underwent such modernization.
        "Orleans" had not only a low side, but also a forecastle. In terms of seaworthiness, they were inferior to the first three series, but their seaworthiness was sufficient for operations in the ocean.
        It was a very successful type of heavy cruiser.
        And the next one - “Wichita” had serious problems with stability.
        Their speed was somewhat inferior to the Japanese cruisers, but how many times during the war did the Japanese take advantage of this?
        The Japanese built six series of heavy cruisers, but only the latter turned out to be really successful. Adequate, at the level of generally recognized standards, armament, good booking, high speed, comfortable crew living conditions, and most importantly, excellent seaworthiness.
        "Amateurs" have finally learned. But, the best heavy cruisers practically did not participate in artillery battles, mainly escorting aircraft carriers.
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          5 February 2020 01: 00
          Everywhere for American TKPs, standard displacement is given immediately after construction, and yet numerous military modernizations, an increase in the number of anti-aircraft artillery (and their crews), undoubtedly, should lead to an increase in buoyancy.

          Only if the corresponding values ​​are given for Japanese ships, for cruisers of other countries, are they somehow forgotten.

          And yet, for example, English cruisers of the County type also exceeded the limit of the Washington Treaty.
          The first ships of the "Kent" type actually had a standard displacement of 10 600 ts.

          HMS "London" originally had a standard displacement of 9 tons, and after modernization in 840, the standard displacement increased to 1941 tons.

          In the case of the American cruisers, military reconstruction also had to cause a significant increase in displacement.
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    3 February 2020 16: 04
    Two heavy cruisers put out of action the armament of a modern battleship and he was very lucky to be able to escape.
  18. 0
    4 February 2020 10: 43
    "South Dakota" left the scene of the battle on its own, which indicates not the most severe damage.

    Damage report "SoDaK" has long been posted on the network. There is even a hit pattern:

    http://www.researcheratlarge.com/Ships/BB57/1942DamageReport/GuadalcanalGunfireDamageReportPlateI.jpg

    The main damage occurred to the superstructure. The shells that hit the hull did not pierce the citadel's armor. The armor of the barbette of the stern tower withstood even a 14 "shell.

    The main problems for LK were created by its own team. After one of the hits in the consumer chains of the main switchboard No. 4, a short circuit was formed. But the stubborn electricians tried to put a load on the shield without eliminating this short circuit, simply replacing the fuses of the circuits supplied from the main switchboard. Either the new fuses were not of the same rating, or the input fuses were incorrectly calculated, but the input fuses of the main switchboard No. 4 were the first to trip - and they cut off the shield from the generators.
    Then it was decided to power the main switchboard No. 4 from the main switchboard No. 3, since the technical possibility of this was constructively provided. Powered up. Naturally, without eliminating the short circuit. The result - the input fuses of the main switchboard No. 3 worked - and cut off the shield from the generators.
    Then it was decided to power a bunch of main switchboard No. 3-No. 4 from main switchboard No. 2, since the technical possibility of this was constructively provided. Powered up. Naturally, without eliminating the short circuit. The result - the input fuses of the main switchboard No. 2 worked - and cut off the shield from the generators.
    Then it was decided to power the main switchboard link # 2-# 3-# 4 from the main switchboard # 1, since the technical possibility of this was constructively provided for. But, fortunately for the team, Chief Electrician's Mate Shaeffer was on the main switchboard number 1, who saw a bad trend and did not follow the order to connect a new load, not allowing the LK to be completely de-energized. smile
  19. 0
    7 February 2020 19: 31
    As a cruiser power plant, they had 12 canton boilers, four turbo-gear units and four propellers.
    Actually, CAMPON! From Kaigun Kansei Honbu - Marine Technical Department, abbreviated as Kampon. These cruisers were equipped with a steam turbine unit developed by the MTD Fourth Section for Myoko-class cruisers and was a modification of the earlier one designed for Amagi-class battlecruisers. So, the installation included 4 TZA "Kampon" and 12 water-tube boilers with oil heating "Kampon Ro Go" hi