Modernization of MBT Challenger 2 for urban conditions

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RќR ° F ± RґRЅSЏS ... SЂRoS,R RЅSЃRєR ° ° ° F SЏ SЂRјRoSЏ SЂR ° SЃSЃRєR ° F · P ° R "RѕR ° F ± SѓSЃRїRμS ° C ... P ... SЃRІRѕRμRіRѕ RЅRѕRІRѕRіRѕ RїSЂRѕRμRєS,R RјRѕRґRμSЂRЅRoR · ° F ° C † RoRo RoRјRμSЋS ‰ ейся Р ± СЂРѕРЅРµС‚РµС ... РЅРёРєРё. Р 'интересР° С ... СЃСѓС ... РѕРїСѓС‚РЅС ‹С ... РІРѕР№СЃРє СЂР ° Р · СЂР ° Р ± отР° РЅ РЅРѕРІС‹ Р№ РєРѕРјРІР »РµРєРґР№Р »Р »Р№Р№Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р 'Rў Challenger 2. RљRѕRјRїR "RμRєSЃ RјRμSЂ RїRѕRґ RЅR ° F · ° RІR RЅRoRμRј Streetfighter II RїSЂRμRґRЅR · RЅR ° F ° C ° F ‡ RμS,SЃSЏ RґR" SЏ RїRѕRІS <€ C ± RѕRμRІS RμRЅRoSЏ P <C ... RєR ° C ‡ еств тР° РЅРєР ° РІ РіРѕСЂРѕРґСЃРєРёС ... СѓСЃР »РѕРІРёСЏС .... РЎ этой С † елью РЅР ° РћР'Рў предл Р ° РіР ° ется устР° РЅР ° РІР »РёРІР ° ть РЅРІСРРРРРРСР ... РѕРІ, РІСЂРёР ± РѕСЂРѕРІ Рё систем РїСЂРё СЃРѕС ... СЂР ° нении РІСЂРѕС З ЗёР ... устройств.

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RџSЂRμRґS <‰ RґSѓS RoR№ RєRѕRјRїR "RμRєS, RґRѕRїRѕR" RЅRoS,RμR "SЊRЅRѕRіRѕ RѕSЃRЅR ° C ‰ RμRЅRoSЏ In" R§RμR "P" RμRЅRґR¶RμSЂR ° -2V "RґR" SЏ SЂR ° F ± RѕS,S <PI RіRѕSЂRѕRґSЃRєRoS ... СѓСЃР »РѕРІРёСЏС ... РїРѕРґ РЅР ° Р · РІР ° нием Streetfighter Р ± С‹ Р »СЂР ° Р · СЂР ° Р ± отР° РЅ РІ 2007-2008 РіРі. СЃ СѓС З РµС‚РѕРј РѕРїС ‹С‚Р ° РІРѕР№РЅС‹ РІ Р СЂР ° РєРµ. P "P ° P" SЊRЅRμR№S € RμRμ SЂR ° F · RІRoS,RoRμ S,RμS ... RЅRѕR "RѕRіRoR№ RїRѕR · RІRѕR" Röhr "of the PS RїSЂRѕRґRѕR" R¶RoS,SЊ SЃRѕR · RґR ° RЅRoRμ SЃRoSЃS,RμRј RґR " СЏ РіРѕСЂРѕРґСЃРєРёС… Р ± оев, реР· СѓР »СЊС‚Р ° том С З РµРіРѕ стР° Р» РЅРѕРІС ‹Р№ РєРѕРјРІР» РµРєС ‚Streetfighter.

P R ° P · СЂР ° Р ± откР° РЅРѕРІРѕРіРѕ проектР° стР° ртовР° Р »Р ° РІ декР° Р ± СЂРµ 2018 Рі. Рё РѕСЃСѓС ‰ ествлял Р ° СЃСЊ СЃРёР »Р ° РјРё нескол СЊРєРёС ... РѕСЂРіР ° РЅРёР · Р ° С † РёР№. RџSЂRѕRμRєS,RoSЂRѕRІR RЅRoRμRј ° R · R ° R ° RЅRoRјR "RoSЃSЊ SЃRїRμS † Röhr ° F" RoSЃS,S <RљRѕSЂRѕR "RμRІSЃRєRѕRіRѕ S,R ° RЅRєRѕRІRѕRіRѕ RєRѕSЂRїSѓSЃR ° F Ryo SЃSЃR" RμRґRѕRІR ° S,RμR "SЊSЃRєRѕ-S,RμS ... РЅРѕР »РѕРіРёС ‡ еской Р» Р ° Р ± РѕСЂР ° тории РњРёРЅРѕР ± РѕСЂРѕРЅС ‹(DSTL). РўР ° кже РИ РІСЂРѕРµРєС‚Рµ СѓС З Р ° СЃС‚РІСѓСЋС ‚коммемСЗ З РµСЃРєРёРµ РѕСЂРіР ° РЅРёРЕР ° РЕР ° РЕР ° РЕР ° РЕРЕР ° РЕРЕР ° РЕРЕР ° РЕР ° С… тов.

5 декР° Р ± СЂСЏ 2019 Рі. ° ° RіRѕRґR RЅR RїRѕR "RoRіRѕRЅRμ RљRѕSѓRїS ... Röhr" P "-P" R ° SѓRЅ SЃRѕSЃS,RѕSЏR "P ° SЃSЊ RїSЂRμR · RμRЅS,R ° C † RoSЏ RїRμSЂRІRѕRіRѕ RѕRїS <S,RЅRѕRіRѕ RћR'Rў Challenger 2 SЃ RєRѕRјRїR" RμRєS ‚РѕРј In" РЎС‚СЂРёС‚С "Р ° йтер IIВ". РњР ° С € РёРЅСѓ продемонстрировР° Р »Рё РєРѕРјР ° РЅРґРѕРІР ° РЅРёСЋ Р ° СЂРјРёРё Рё СЃСѓС ... RџRѕSЃR "Rμ SЌS,RoS ... RјRμSЂRѕRїSЂRoSЏS,RoR№ RЅR ° C ° F ‡ P" RoSЃSЊ RoSЃRїS <S,R RЅRoSЏ RѕR ° ± RЅRѕRІR "RμRЅRЅRѕR№ RјR ° C RoRЅS € <† RμR SЃ C" SЊSЋ RѕRїSЂRμRґRμR "RμRЅRoSЏ RμRμ SЂRμR ° Р »СЊРЅС‹ С ... Р ± РѕРµРІС ‹С ... РєР ° С ‡ еств.

Challenger 2 Streetfighter II Rё Р ± еспилотник РёР · РЅРѕРІРѕРіРѕ РєРѕРјРїР» ектР°

RќRμSЃRєRѕR "SЊRєRѕ RґRЅRμR№ RЅR ° F · ° F ± Rґ RњRoRЅRѕR RѕSЂRѕRЅS <RѕRїSѓR ± P" RoRєRѕRІR ° F "of the PS RЅRμRєRѕS,RѕSЂSѓSЋ RoRЅS" RѕSЂRјR ° C of the PS † RoSЋ RїSЂRѕRμRєS,Rμ Ryo C ... RѕRґRμ RoSЃRїS <S,R ° RЅRoR No., Р ° тР° кже РІРѕРєР ° Р · Р ° Р »Рѕ РєР ° РґСЂС‹ СЂР ° Р ± РѕС‚С ‹РѕРїС‹ тного РћР'Рў вместе СЃ вех Рѕ . Р'Р »Р ° РіРѕРґР ° СЂСЏ этому стР° Р» Рё РёР · РІРµСЃС‚РЅС ‹РЅРµРєРѕС‚РѕСЂС‹ Рµ РЅРѕРІС ‹Рµ РІРёРРРРРЉЉЉЉЉЉЉЉЉЉЉЉЉЉЉЉЉЉЉЉЉЉЉЉЉЉЉЉЉЉЉЉЉЉЉЉЉЉЉЉЉЉЉЉЉЉЉЉЉЉРЬР ° Р · СЂР ° Р ± отки остР° ются РЅРµСЏСЃРЅС ‹РјРё.

РќРѕРІРѕРµ РѕР ± РѕСЂСѓРґРѕРІР ° РЅРёРµ

RџSЂRѕRμRєS, Streetfighter II RїSЂRμRґSѓSЃRјR ° S,SЂRoRІR ° RμS, RґRѕRѕSЃRЅR ° C ‰ RμRЅRoRμ SЃRμSЂRoR№RЅRѕRіRѕ S,R ° RЅRєR ° In "R§RμR" P "RμRЅRґR¶RμSЂ-2B" RЅRμSЃRєRѕR "SЊRєRoRјRo RЅRѕRІS <RјRo ° F ° RіSЂRμRіR тР° РјРё Рё системР° РјРё, РѕР ± РµСЃРїРµС ‡ РёРІР ° СЋС ‰ РёРјРё Р ± РѕР ° стройки. РџСЂРёРЅСЏС‚С ‹РјРµСЂС‹ РІРѕ РІРѕРІС ‹С € ению РјР ° невренности РІ РіРѕСЂРѕРґРµ, РІ С‚.С ЗЗ. SЃSЂRμRґRo SЂR ° F · SЂSѓS € RμRЅRЅS <C ... RїRѕSЃS,SЂRѕRμRє, P ° ° S,R RєR¶Rμ RїRѕ SѓR "SѓS ‡ From € RμRЅRoSЋ SЃRoS,SѓR ° C † RoRѕRЅRЅRѕR№ RѕSЃRІRμRґRѕRјR" RμRЅRЅRѕSЃS,Ro Ryo RѕRіRЅRμRІRѕR№ RјRѕS ‰ Ryo.

R • RґРІР ° Р »Рё РЅРµ СЃР ° РјС‹ Рј Р · Р ° РјРµС‚РЅС ‹Рј нововведением вроектР° СЏРІР» яетуЏЃЃЃЃЃЃЃЃЃЃЃЃЃ ‚ируемы Р№ РЅР ° РЅРѕСЃСѓ РєРѕСЂРїСѓСЃР °. РЎ РїРѕРјРѕС ‰ СЊСЋ этого устройствР° РћР'Рў РґРѕР »Р¶РµРЅ преодол евР° ть Р · Р ° РИР ° Р ° РІР ° Р ° РІР ° РІР ° ‹. RўR RєR¶Rμ RѕRїSѓR ° ± P "RoRєRѕRІR ° RЅRЅRѕRμ RІRoRґRμRѕ RѕS, SЂRoS,R ° F ± ± RЅSЃRєRѕRіRѕ RњRoRЅRѕR RѕSЂRѕRЅS <RґRμRјRѕRЅSЃS,SЂRoSЂSѓRμS, RїSЂRoRјRμRЅRμRЅRoRμ RѕS,RІR ° F" P ° RґR "SЏ SЌRІR ° RєSѓR ° C † RoRo SЂR ° неного.

P "RѕSЂR ° F ± RѕS,RєRμ RїRѕRґRІRμSЂRіR" RoSЃSЊ RІRЅRμS € ‰ RЅRoRμ SЏS RoRєRo RґR "SЏ RїRμSЂRμRІRѕR · RєRo RoRјSѓS ‰ RμSЃS,RІR °, SЂR ° F · RјRμS ‰ RμRЅRЅS <Rμ RЅR RЅR ° ° ‡ RґRіSѓSЃRμRЅRoS RЅS <C ... РІРѕР »РєР ° С .... РќР ° РєРѕСЂРјРѕРІРѕР№ С ‡ Р ° сти Р ± Р ° С € РЅРё устР° РЅР ° РІР »РёРІР ° ется С ... Р ° СЂР ° ктерны Р№ РѕРѕРЂРЂРЂРЂРЂРЂРЂРЂРЂРІР ... RґR »СЏ РїСѓСЃРєРѕРІРѕР№ ЃустР° РЅРѕРІРєРё СѓРїСЂР ° РІР» СЏРµРјС ‹С ... СЂР ° кет.

P "P" SЏ SЃRІRѕRμRІSЂRμRјRμRЅRЅRѕRіRѕ RѕR ° ± RЅR SЂSѓR¶RμRЅRoSЏ SѓRіSЂRѕR · PI RїSЂRѕRμRєS,Rμ Streetfighter II RїSЂRμRґSѓSЃRјR S,SЂRoRІR ° ° ° RμS,SЃSЏ SЃRoSЃS,RμRјR In "RїSЂRѕR SЂR · ° C ± ‡ P RЅRѕR№ SЂRѕRЅRoV" SЂR ° R · СЂР ° Р ± отки РёР · СЂР ° РёР »СЊСЃРєРѕР№ РєРѕРјРїР ° РЅРёРё Elbit Systems. РљРѕРјРІР »РµРєСЃ IronVision РИРєР» СЋС З Р ° РµС ‚РЅР ° Р ± РѕСЂ видео-Рё РёРЅС RІРѕРІРµСЂС ... ности тР° РЅРєР °, Р ° тР° кже РїСЂРёР ± РѕСЂС ‹РѕР ± СЂР ° Р ± отки RІРёРґР €Р €Р €Р ° Р €Р °Р ° Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р ° Р °Р °Р °Р ° Р СЌРєСЂР ° РЅС ‹РґР» СЏ СЌРєРёРїР ° жР°. R — R ° CЃС З РµС ‚этогоРСЂР° нкисты ‹РІРѕР» СѓС ‡ Р ° СЋС ‚РІРѕР · можность РИести РЅРЋ Р ±Р ±Р ±Р ± Р ±Р ±Р ±Р ± Р ±Р ±Р ±Р ± Р ±Р ±Р ± Р ±Р ± РЅР ° РїСЂР ° РІР »РµРЅРёРё, РЅРµ РїРѕРєРёРґР ° СЏ Р · Р ° С ‰ РёС ‰ енное прострР° нство.

R'Р ° С € РЅСЏ СЃ РЅРѕРІС ‹Рј weapons. РЎРїСЂР ° РІР ° РѕС ‚РІСѓС € РєРё RІРёРґРµРЅ миномет РИ РІРѕС ... РѕРґРЅРѕРј РїРѕР »РѕР¶РµРЅРёРёРё

R ›СЋР ± РѕРІС‹ тно, С З С‚Рѕ РєРѕРјРІР »РµРєСЃ IronVision ввервы Рµ РёСЃРІС ‹С‚С‹ РІР ° ется РЅР ° РѕСЃРЅРѕРѕРІРІРІРІРІ P R · S'EP ° RöR »SЊSЃRєР ° СЏ RєРѕРјРїР ° РЅРёСЏ-S'Р ° Р · S'Р ° Р ± РѕС‚С З РёРє уже тестироР° Р ° Р» Р ° егРРРРРЅРЅ ‡ РЅРѕР№ Р ± СЂРѕРЅРµС‚РµС ... РЅРёРєРµ, РЅРѕ РїРµСЂРІС ‹Рј РћРћР'-носитеР-2V. "

RћSЃRЅRѕRІRЅRѕRμ RІRѕRѕSЂSѓR¶RμRЅRoRμ S,R RЅRєR ° ° ° RѕSЃS,R RμS,SЃSЏ RїSЂRμR¶RЅRoRј, S,RѕRіRґR ° RєR ° Rє RєRѕRјRїR "RμRєSЃ RґRѕRїRѕR" RЅRoS,RμR "SЊRЅRѕRіRѕ RїRμSЂRμSЂR ° F ± P ° S,S <RІR ° RµС‚СЃСЏ. итР° тно Challenger 2 РёРјјµµРµС ‚тол СЊРєРѕ СЃРїР ° СЂРµРЅРЅС ‹Р№ СЃ РІСѓС € РєРѕР№ РІСѓР» еммР94Р1Р37Р2Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °Р °ј ° СЋС ‰ его - РСР ± Р ° РєР ° Р »РёР ± СЂР ° 7,62 РјРј. РџСЂРѕРµРєС ‚Streetfighter II вредусмР° тривР° ет СѓСЃРёР »РµРЅРёРµ РґРѕРїРѕР» нитеоововвввввввввввввввввввРRћR'Rў RґRѕRїRѕR "RЅRoS,RμR" SЊRЅRѕ RїRѕR "SѓS RμS ° P ‡, † RґRoSЃS,R ° RЅS RoRѕRЅRЅRѕ SѓRїSЂR ° RІR" SЏRμRјS <P ± R№ RѕRμRІRѕR№ RјRѕRґSѓR "SЊ SЃ RєSЂSѓRїRЅRѕRєR ° F" Röhr ± RμSЂRЅS <Rј RїS »R »РµРјРµС‚РѕРј M2 Рё 60-РјРј миномет РЅР ° Р »Р ± Сѓ Р ± Р ° С € РЅРё. P 'RѕS,RґRμR "SЊRЅRѕRј RєRѕR¶SѓS ... Rμ RЅR ° RєSЂS <From € Rμ SЂR ° F · RјRμS ‰ R ° ° RμS,SЃSЏ RїSѓSЃRєRѕRІR SЏ SѓSЃS,R RЅRѕRІRєR ° ° RґR" SЏ RґRІSѓS ... SѓRїSЂR ° RІR "SЏRμRјS < С ... СЂР ° РєРµС ‚Brimstone II.

RЎRoSЃS,RμRјR ° SѓRїSЂR ° RІR "RμRЅRoSЏ RѕRіRЅRμRј PI RμR † C» RѕRј RѕSЃS,R ° RμS,SЃSЏ RїSЂRμR¶RЅRμR№, RѕRґRЅR ° RєRѕ PI RЅRμR№ RїRѕSЏRІR "SЏSЋS,SЃSЏ SѓSЃS,SЂRѕR№SЃS,RІR °, RѕS, PIRP ‡ P ° СЋС ‰ иеР· Р ° РёСЃРїРѕР »СЊР · РѕРІР ° РЅРёРµ Р” РЈР'Рњ. РўР ° кже РЅР ° модеЀрниР· РёСЂРѕРІР ° РЅРЅРѕРј РћР'Рў устР° РЅР ° РІР »РёРІР ° ется РЅРѕРІР ° С ° Р ° РЏР ° СЏР ° Р °Р ° СЏР ° РЏР ° СЏР ° РЏР ° СЏР ° РЏР ° СЏР ° СЏР ° РЏР ° СЏР ° СЏР ° РЏР ° СЏР ° СЏР ° СЏР ° СЏР ° С

R 'RІРѕСЂСЏРґРєРµ эксвериментР° СЃ РсРІС ‹С‚РЅС‹ Рј РћР'Рў РІР · Р ° имодейсСРРССРРСС ‚РРѓР ° Р ° С Р ± еспилотны Р№ Р ° РїРїР ° СЂР ° С ‚. RS‚Рѕ РёР · делие преднР° Р · РЅР ° С З Р ° ется РґР» СЏ ведения СЂР ° Р · ведки РІ СЃР » . РЅР ° СѓС ‡ Р ° сткР° С ..., РЅРµРґРѕСЃС‚СѓРїРЅС ‹С ... РґР» СЏ тР° РЅРєР °. RЎ RμRіRѕ RїRѕRјRѕS ‰ SЊSЋ RїR "P ° RЅRoSЂSѓRμS,SЃSЏ RґRѕRїRѕR" RЅRoS,RμR "SЊRЅRѕ RїRѕRІS <€ C ° F ° C S,SЊ SЃRoS,SѓR † RoRѕRЅRЅSѓSЋ RѕSЃRІRμRґRѕRјR" RμRЅRЅRѕSЃS,SЊ SЌRєRoRїR ° R¶R °.

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However, the modernization project does not provide any new measures in the context of increasing protection, and therefore the experienced Challenger 2 has only regular reservations. Perhaps the Streetfighter II kit can be combined with the elements of the previous kit, but such features are not explicitly mentioned or demonstrated.

In general, it should be assumed that the installation of additional equipment such as Streetfighter II can indeed positively affect the combat qualities of the Challenger 2 MBT. However, there is a need for other means. Only in this case, the tank will be able to work effectively and with minimal risk in urban areas.

Unclear future

The prospects for the Streetfighter II project have not yet been specified. They will probably be determined only after the end of the current tests. Based on their results, a decision may be made to introduce a new set, to finalize it with the aim of improvement, or to close the project.

The blade can also be used as a stretcher for the wounded

The fate of the new project may be affected by the already known plans of the military department. Now, on a competitive basis, a deep modernization of Challenger-2 is being developed, aimed at maintaining and improving the main indicators. Two developments of different companies apply for the contract, and there is no obvious favorite yet. In the near future, the army will choose the most successful project and launch a serial update of equipment.

How these plans relate to the development of a kit for urban conditions is not specified. Perhaps some of the solutions from the two Streetfighter projects will be used in larger upgrades. A scenario is also possible in which the Streetfighter II will remain a set of additional equipment without a clear link to the modification of the base tank.

However, a negative development of events cannot yet be ruled out. When testing a number of prototypes, it may turn out that the Challenger 2 with the Streetfighter II kit does not have decisive advantages over other modernized MBTs. In this case, the project may be closed due to lack of prospects.

Thus, in the context of the development of the British armored forces, a very interesting situation is observed. The command is not going to abandon the MBT Challenger 2 - including due to the objective impossibility of creating a completely new model. At the same time, the plans provide for a deep modernization of this technology, and several projects of this kind already exist. One or more of these developments will ensure the combat effectiveness of tank units in the future.

Comments

[maidan.izrailovich]

It seems that there is nothing more to write about.
Already 10 years as discontinued production. this tank. Yes, and released a little more than 400 pcs. At the moment, there are: Great Britain-277 and Oman-38. Who needs these upgrades?

[Vladimir_2U]

Well, do not write off the tanks, and at least some sense from them. But the roof was as weak as it was, but in the city it is a so-so solution.

[iouris]

Quote: maidan.izrailovich

Who needs these upgrades?

Maybe "internal" troops like the Russian Guard?

[TermNachTer]

Of the 277 that remained in England, an unknown amount is in storage. How much is real in the ranks is not clear, since different numbers are called. Plus, the expected reduction, in order to save budget. The article is certainly interesting, but nothing.

[Mytholog]

A mortar on the turret front plate? Original. Even "fine". Especially the mounting method.
No, as a show-off - that’s it, but how to use it?
Again bk for him - where? Inside? Shells, therefore, can not be - we shut off the curtains in the stern. And you can mine)
And if on the armor outside ... mortar mines ... Well, well.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Mytholog

A mortar on the turret front plate? Original. Even "fine". Especially the mounting method.
No, as a show-off - that’s it, but how to use it?
Again bk for him - where? Inside? Shells, therefore, can not be - we shut off the curtains in the stern. And you can mine)
And if on the armor outside ... mortar mines ... Well, well.

As Israeli tankers explained to me, it is used when it is impossible to hit a target with a gun or if the tank cannot continue to move when they leave the car and attack like infantry. In the latter case, the mortar is used as additional fire support.

[Den717]

Quote: Krasnodar

used when it is impossible to hit a target with a gun or the inability of the tank to continue moving when they leave the car and attack like infantry.

Is the infantry too expensive? I remember back in WWII tankers of faulty equipment were tried to be used in infantry units, then, on pain of death, bosses of all degrees were forbidden to do this. Gold foot soldiers turned out, and not very skilled. But in the place of the deceased BUT another must be prepared for at least six months, so that they can only be seated in a chair, and another year to teach them how to fight. Still, the tanker and the motorized rifle are completely different military schools.

[Krasnodar]

So nobody is going to send them to the field - only in the cases described above by me. In addition, training a modern infantryman is also very, very not cheap.

[Den717]

Quote: Krasnodar

So nobody is going to send them to the field

You yourself wrote that they leave the car and attack like infantry. An attack is not inevitability and an extreme necessity. And tankers are not a spherical horse in a vacuum. Tanks without infantry and artillery support do not attack. A modern level of technology and weapons requires the cultivation of human resources by specialization.

Quote: Krasnodar

training a modern infantryman is also very, very not cheap

The tanker is taught in a training unit and issued a document on his training in his specialty. Tell me a military unit where a simple MSO shooter is trained from the "third" type of infantry? And in the case of the mortar described by you, the tanker must also have artillery training. In Israel, everything is somehow special. Probably....

[ProkletyiPirat]

Quote: Den717

And in the case of the mortar described by you, the tanker must also have artillery training. In Israel, everything is somehow special. Probably....

In general, this is a big nonsense about an attack with a mortar, it was already discussed at the VO that a mortar on a mercava is needed not for attack by infantry fighting forces, but for the use of lighting and smoke mines. For example, at night, throw daylight / nightlight 2-3 km ahead, or throw smoke at the intersection so that the enemy can’t aim fire along the streets and thus ensure the passage of the street and the enemy’s surroundings.

[voyaka uh]

Right.
The mortar on Merkava, as far as is known, was never used for firing conventional mines. Although theoretically it is possible.
Thought to apply in urban battles, but it turned out to be unrealistic. And to keep boxes with ordinary mines in the tank is also inconvenient and dangerous.

[Usher]

Quote: Den717

Tanks without infantry and artillery support do not attack.

Well, judging by the video from Donbass and Syria, tanks are constantly without infantry.

[Den717]

Quote: Usher

Well, judging by the video from Donbass and Syria, tanks are constantly without infantry

Video and field are two big differences.

[Usher]

Well, this is clear, but as far as I saw in 80% of cases, tanks without infantry.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Usher

Well, judging by the video from Donbass and Syria, tanks are constantly without infantry.

And this is the eternal headache of the tankers. In two parts:
The first - attached infantry for tanks not coming (from reports on the conflict on the CER).
The second - almost no infantry in tank units (from reports starting in 1939 and ending with the war of 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX).

As a result, instead of a statutory battle (the infantry detects and crushes enemy’s anti-tank weapons with personal, group and heavy weapons, up to 120 mm mortars, and tanks, upon requests from the infantry, crush the firing points that interfere with it), all insanity begins when the tanks are forced to detect anti-tank weapons, crush them yourself, and even remember about enemy infantry and armored vehicles.

It is in this eternal misfortune that the roots of all BMPTs lie - how could we, tankmen, manage on our own, without infantry, and with three or four crew members solve the problems of ten infantrymen.

[Den717]

Quote: Alexey RA

And this is the eternal headache of the tankers. In two parts:
The first - the attached infantry for tanks does not go (from reports on the conflict on the CER).

You would still remember the ice battle. In the conflict on the CER in 1929 there were only 9 tanks, and two exercise books of the use of tanks in the 1st World War. It would be more appropriate for you to recall the introduction of tank corps in the Belarusian operation. There were normal military operations according to the classical scheme with the use of tank formations and formations while saturating the rifle units and formations with mechanization, allowing them to move at equal speeds with the tank. It was then that the headache was precisely the possibility of moving units of various military branches at the same pace.

Quote: Alexey RA

The second - in the tank formations there is almost no infantry (from reports starting from 1939 and ending with the war on 08.08.08).

Take for example 4 GVTD (Naro-Fominsk) in 1990:
12th Guards Tank Regiment, Naro-Fominsk (90 T-80UD, 4 T-64, 15 BMP-2, 33 BMP-1, 2 BRM-1K, 2 BTR-70, 12 2S1 Gvozdika)
13th Guards Tank Regiment, Naro-Fominsk (119 T-80UD, 5 T-64, 3 T-72, 39 BMP-2, 32 BMP-1, 2 BRM-1K, 6 BTR-70, 12 2S1 "Gvozdika ")
14th Guards Tank Regiment, Naro-Fominsk (90 T-80UD, 4 T-64, 17 BMP-2, 34 BMP-1, 2 BRM-1K, 5 BTR-70, 12 2S1 Gvozdika)
423rd Guards Motorized Rifle Regiment, Naro-Fominsk (31 T-80UD, 1 T-64, 28 BMP-2, 47 BMP-1, 2 BRM-1K, 1 BTR-70, 12 2C1 Gvozdika)
In the 2017 year:
12 gtp
13 gtp
423 gvmsp.
Is it not enough for you to have one motorized rifle regiment for 2 tank regiments? In addition, each tank regiment has its own motorized rifle battalion.

Quote: Alexey RA

As a result, instead of a statutory battle (the infantry detects and crushes the enemy’s anti-tank weapons with personal, group and heavy weapons, up to 120 mm mortars, and tanks at the request of the infantry crush the firing points that interfere with it)

What kind of battle is this? In that dream? In what charter did you read this?
In fact, if it is very short, the artillery presses fire weapons, then under it and assault cover rifle divisions break through the enemy’s tactical defense line, and only then tank and mechanized formations are introduced into the breakthrough to develop operational success.

Quote: Alexey RA

all indecency begins when the tanks themselves are forced to detect anti-tank weapons, to crush them themselves, and even not to forget about the enemy infantry and armored vehicles.

In a real battle, anything could happen. But always strived for the rules prescribed in the instructions. And since we still won in WWII, as in the Far East in 1945, it should be recognized that for the most part we were able to follow the rules based on combat experience, our tankmen and infantrymen with all other arms.

Quote: Alexey RA

It is in this eternal misfortune that the roots of all BMPTs lie - how could we, tankmen, manage on our own, without infantry, and with three or four crew members solve the problems of ten infantrymen.

A terrible nonsense of a person far from tanks. Sorry for being blunt.

[tima_ga]

I wonder where in the 13th regiment three 72s came from, got lost and nailed ...? And they were told "okay, stay." Seriously, you don't know how they ended up in the division among the 80s and 64s?

[Den717]

Quote: tima_ga

I wonder where in the 13th regiment the three 72s came from

I had a chance to serve for a while in 54919 in the 80s. I won't say anything about 13 GvTP and their "72", I don't know ...

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Den717

It would be more appropriate for you to recall the introduction of tank corps in the Belarusian operation. There were normal military operations according to the classical scheme with the use of tank formations and formations while saturating the rifle units and formations with mechanization, allowing them to move at equal speeds with the tank.

What does the strategic offensive operation have to do with the rate of advance of the infantry and mechanized formations? We consider tactics - the assault on the village of Der al-Gadiukino or Zmievo already existing infantry with the support of armored vehicles. There is infantry, there are tanks. But the tanks act on their own, and the infantry - on its own, and it is extremely difficult to raise it behind the tanks. And this problem in real battles is eternal - since 1929.
Pomnitsa, in the same Debaltsev operation, tankers attacked the strongholds of the Armed Forces without infantry support - with a predictable result.

Quote: Den717

Is it not enough for you to have one motorized rifle regiment for 2 tank regiments? In addition, each tank regiment has its own motorized rifle battalion.

All of these peacetime states, of course, look just fine. Especially on paper. And when it comes to business, it turns out that in the SMEs of active bayonets - in the battalion, and in the MSB - in the company. And that is at best. And at worst - see the Maykop brigade or the number of motorized rifles in tank formations in 1945.

Quote: Den717

What kind of battle is this? In that dream? In what charter did you read this?
In fact, if it is very short, the artillery presses fire weapons, then under it and assault cover rifle divisions break through the enemy’s tactical defense line, and only then tank and mechanized formations are introduced into the breakthrough to develop operational success.

Once again, you stubbornly confuse the strategic and tactical level.

Quote: Den717

In a real battle, anything could happen. But always strived for the rules prescribed in the instructions. And since we still won in WWII, as in the Far East in 1945, it should be recognized that for the most part we were able to follow the rules based on combat experience, our tankmen and infantrymen with all other arms.

Let me remind you - initially it was about Syria and Ukraine. Where instead of the statutory interaction of the types and types of troops, tanks roll around cities or attack strongholds in splendid isolation.
However, it was exactly the same at first with us in Chechnya, and even in South Ossetia.
As for the Second World War, the orders on the need for interaction between tanks and infantry in the SBD are from 1941 to 1945. By the end of the war, interaction in general had been established, but another problem arose - due to the exhaustion of mobber reserves, there was often no one to interact with: there were simply not enough "active bayonets" for all the tanks.

[Usher]

I wrote about this that you watch the video, and there the tankers load and leave, and the infantry as it was and remained, very rarely saw when the infantry was nearby, and then it can’t really do anything, how the infantry can help protect against ATGMs or RPGs ? Video from Syria, usually a tank rides like this, infantry are behind, barmales protrude from the window and scam from the RPG, and that’s all wasted.

[Den717]

We consider tactics - the assault on the village of Der al-Gadiukino or Zmievo already existing infantry with the support of armored vehicles. There is infantry, there are tanks. But the tanks act on their own, and the infantry - on its own, and it is extremely difficult to raise it behind the tanks. And this problem in real battles is eternal - since 1929.

Examples from Syria or Ukraine do not seem to me correct for addressing the problems of the practice of the combat use of tank troops. Civil wars are characterized by the fact that they are conducted by irregular forces and are led by personnel who are not always trained militarily. And therefore, like amateurs in any business, such personnel can suffer from childhood diseases. From the videos available on the networks it is impossible to judge the nature of the battle, the forces involved and the degree of interaction between the elements of the fighting group. Therefore, it seems to me naive to say the least about the sufficiency of infantry in a tank formation, and this is a brigade division, by storming a village.

All of these peacetime states, of course, look just fine. Especially on paper. And when it comes to business, it turns out that in the SMEs of active bayonets - in the battalion, and in the MSB - in the company. And that is at best. And at worst - see the Maykop brigade or the number of motorized rifles in tank formations in 1945.

Obviously you are not in the know. OSHS TD and peacetime states are somewhat different concepts. In general, I only gave you the number of tank and MS units in the 4th Guards Division. For OShS TD, it makes no difference what time is peace or military. In this configuration, the TD will meet the war, if necessary. Here in the issue of filling the state, this plays a role. In the SA, there could be framed units in which only an organizational core was available, intended for the storage of armored vehicles and primary measures for receiving a mobilization resource for deploying a unit to a full staff. At the same time, the OshS unit had all the subdivisions it was supposed to be, only the l / was, for example, in MS units 1 company 50%, the remaining 8 - only the company commander with a list of assigned personnel. The number of motorized riflemen in tank formations in 1945 was lower than the standard number due to the decrease in combat losses and the impossibility of replenishing it to full staff. But tankers were certainly not left without infantry in 1945, especially in offensive operations. And even on a smaller scale, in the work of assault groups in settlements, they were manned from different units - infantry + tanks + engineers + artillery. The methods of interaction between different types of troops were developed, discussed and prescribed in the manuals that were mandatory for execution. Do not think that the war wrote off everything, including the loss of l / s and BT if the prescribed rules were not followed. For everything they asked strictly, up to "very strictly".

Once again, you stubbornly confuse the strategic and tactical level.

The introduction of a tank corps in an army operation is not yet a strategist, but an operational art. I cited this example as the most described military-historical literature and characteristic of many operations.

there were simply not enough "active bayonets" for all the tanks.

Give an example, so that in the offensive operations of 1945, which were usually carefully prepared, the tanks rushed into the breakthrough or into the battle not provided with the corresponding infantry precisely because of the lack of the latter.

[Krasnodar]

Tanker training - infantry 03 - that is, knows how to throw a grenade, work as part of three people, like an infantryman. On combined arms, EMNIP, reaches up to 0,5 - the type knows how to work as part of a company (actually a platoon), shoot with a machine gun (FN MAG, as a rule), and a mortar.
They are taught this - yes. Whether they took advantage of this in practice, they did not read and did not hear. With a mortar, they probably shot somewhere.

[Den717]

Quote: Krasnodar

Tanker training - infantry 03 - that is, knows how to throw a grenade, work as part of three people, like an infantryman. On combined arms, EMNIP, reaches up to 0,5

What tanker training? Mechanic, BUT, commander? This is probably understandable to a person organizing combat training in the Israeli army. I served in the SA. Your terms "work with three people" do not apply in the SA BP. You, obviously, are a Jewish zaslanets, and we, in the old fashioned way, instead of FN MAG are accustomed to shoot from the PKK or PKM. Yes, our tankers are not engaged in mortar firing. The Jews consider it necessary, well, let them shoot with a slingshot. The Israeli army is considered the most belligerent, but in life the Jews were terpily all the way (often deservedly). Taking an example from their combat training seems dubious to me.

[Krasnodar]

1) All tankers undergo such training))
2) Work together in infantry - the site has several people who served in the SA and in the Russian army, who know what it is and can explain it to you
3) What does the malefactor mean? Live in Russia
4) What does it mean - the old fashioned way? FN MAG - Belgian machine gun, released in the early 60's. You are used to using Soviet weapons - just write
5) Jews suffered all the way Of course, there are quite a few intelligent people of Jewish descent who cannot stand up for themselves, but there are also former athletes who have become rich and influential in the same Russia, capable of mutilating you physically, depriving you of property, freedom (with a sentence on their conditions ) etc.
6) So do not take an example from them - why do you need this? )))

[Den717]

Quote: Krasnodar

1) All tankers undergo such training))

This is what? Throw a grenade? Shoot 1 UUS? These are all initial training, formerly called the Young Fighter Course (pre-oath). There is no such term "to work three together in an infantry order." It's in the cards ... you can, in the throw-in.

Quote: Krasnodar

but there are former athletes,

I do not mean any personalities, I mean the nation and its army, which, apart from the Arabs, fought no one. The Arabs would have cut them out for a clean one long ago, if not for the cover of the "lights of democracy" from behind a puddle.

[Krasnodar]

At KMB? They, in addition to mastering the tank, have infantry training - weak, by Israeli standards. No more than 700 rounds of ammunition are shot from a personal weapon, they throw grenades, and they learn to work together (such as moving forward in turns, when two cover up, thus moving towards the target). Well, the march is not a serious throw - up to 20 km.
Then they learn to work on combined arms as a platoon - such as a company, in fact a platoon - the guys divided into triples also move forward, with the difference that after gaining the first position on the hill, say, they put a group with machine guns and a mortar that covers the rest of the attackers.
About the nation? In the Arab-Israeli wars, in addition to the Arabs, many who were on the side of the former)). For example, the cover of lights from behind a puddle came in the late 60s, after the main territorial conquests of Israel - due to the introduction of a group of Soviet troops in Egypt during the war of attrition. Prior to this, Israel was under the Amer embargo on the supply of offensive weapons.
Well, before the creation of the state, only half a million Jews fought only in the ranks of the Red Army — and no worse than other Soviet people. Yes, and in modern times - only the Britons in the war with Argentina fought against the less developed ones. All the rest - with Vietnamese, Arabs, Afghans, etc.

[Den717]

Quote: Krasnodar

Then they learn to work on combined arms as a platoon - such as a company, in fact a platoon - the guys divided into triples also move forward, with the difference that after gaining the first position on the hill, say, they put a group with machine guns and a mortar that covers the rest of the attackers.

You give me a copy from the "program of combat training of the ground forces" in terms of infantry training or "work three together (there is a booklet, from which all plans are drawn up) discard. There will be something to discuss. So far, these are all essays on free themes. March-throws for 20 km - a quirk of an individual commander. The physical training of tankers is built on the NFP. Have you heard about this? Everything that is required from the military units of all categories is described in detail. For ground forces, basically pull-up, 100m, 3000m, tankers may add "exit from a flooded tank in a gas mask ".

[Krasnodar]

I do not have such a scanner Sam passed 0,5 - about 4000 rounds of ammunition at the shooting ranges, open areas, built-up areas + anti-terror for dummies (selective shooting + hostages). An analogue of the internal troops of the Russian Federation - well, yes, the march was 39, including 7 km with a stretcher)).
Our tankers have a program, not a fad)). About the initial physical training - the IDF standard - for 2000 it was pulled up 20 times, 70 times per minute the press and 6.40 2000 meters. This is the top five. ))))
I stretched 8 (shoulder injury) ran 7.20 press did 70.

[Den717]

Quote: Krasnodar

Sam 0,5 passed

0,5 what? Liter? Judging by

Quote: Krasnodar

open terrain, built-up terrain + anti-terror for dummies (selective shooting + hostages). An analogue of the internal troops of the Russian Federation - well, yes, the march was 39, including 7 km with a stretcher)).

you did not serve in armored forces. Why, then, on the ears of a third about different things unknown to you? Do you think that everything around is worse than the red bus?

[Krasnodar]

1) no - 0,5 - this is the standard basic infantry training. )) After combined arms exercises it reaches 0,7
2) in contrast to the USSR and the Russian Federation, everybody does an urgent plan in Israel, that's why my friends and I included infantrymen, and artillerymen and tankers and storekeepers with cooks)).
In addition, I made the reservist service a military assistant in the tank brigade - I talked with people for an urgent period)).

[Den717]

Quote: Krasnodar

Our tankers have a program, not a fad)). About the initial physical training - the IDF standard - for 2000 it was pulled up 20 times, 70 times per minute the press and 6.40 2000 meters. This is the top five. ))))

What kind of tankers are you? What kind of army are you talking about? What part? Years of service? Special forces with tanks .... ?

[Krasnodar]

Ordinary tankers)))
Special forces have more serious training. These are standards until 2000 for all tankers. IDF

[Den717]

Quote: Krasnodar

These are the standards until 2000 for all IDF tankmen.

Well, they would say that they served in the Israeli army. And then "I live in Russia." Many of your citizens live with us. Out of a sense of self-preservation

[Krasnodar]

No, Israel is safer than such large countries as the USA and the Russian Federation - for every 100 people in a superpower it dies from crime more than from wars, terrorist attacks, traffic accidents and death for criminal reasons in Israel - fewer people are easier to control
And here I am for two reasons - the unwillingness of my wife, a Russian woman to move to Israel
Long work with Russia))

[Den717]

Quote: Krasnodar

No, Israel is safer than big countries like the US and Russia

Yes of course. 2019 - 1300 missiles from Gaza, 400 shot down, 2018 - 941 missiles, 200 shot down, 2014 3686 missiles, 807 shot down. Of course, there are fewer dead than rockets, but the level of comfort - life in tension and constant anxiety - is still a pleasure. We never dreamed of this. And I'm just talking about shelling, and also terrorist attacks ....

[Krasnodar]

In 2014, he lived in TelAviv, you get nervous the first two times, then you get used to it))
Look at how many people were killed in all the years - you will understand everything yourself. In addition, a prosperous criminal environment, the average life expectancy of 82 years (80 for men), you don’t worry about the quality of health care, when someone is serious with health, you don’t worry when a 12-year-old child walks up to 5 in the morning with friends, you don’t take a steam bath you’re suing, calm about your business, etc. In general, there is MUCH more relaxed.

[Den717]

Quote: Krasnodar

In general, there is MUCH more relaxed.

But you are in Rostov ...

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you don’t take a steam bath when you are suing someone, calm for your business, etc.

The first time I got to "Ben Gurion" - they tried to cheat at the first box office in Duty Free. And so everything is fine, there’s nothing to worry about.

[Krasnodar]

In Krasnodar since 2016 - due to the birth of children.
Before that he lived in two countries.
This is when there was a hit in Ben Gurion?
About cheating and throwing - there is something there, but much less than in Russia)). Although, after living in Israel, numerous attempts to throw me locals seem transparent and naive

[Den717]

Quote: Krasnodar

About cheating and throwing - there is something there, but much less than in Russia)). Although, after living in Israel, numerous attempts to throw me locals seem transparent and naive

More or less is a category of statistical research. Everywhere they try to cheat, and on the whole it shows that a person in any country "floats" about the same in terms of good-evil and permissibility for himself in the transition from one to another.

[Krasnodar]

Let's just say - for ten transactions in Israel, one scam, one attempt to turn something off.
At 10 here - 2 scammers, 3 attempts to twist the couple. Plus minus so.

[Den717]

Quote: Krasnodar

At 10 here - 2 scammers, 3 attempts to twist the couple. Plus minus so.

I will not discuss it, because without deep immersion in the subject, all the speculation is sand castles.

[Krasnodar]

I agree. This may be a subjective experience, but local friends often warn me to be careful

[Den717]

Quote: Krasnodar

Our tankers have a program, not a fad)). About the initial physical training - the IDF standard - for 2000 it was pulled up 20 times, 70 times per minute the press and 6.40 2000 meters. This is the top five. ))))
I stretched 8 (shoulder injury) ran 7.20 press did 70.

..... "Shooter 05" - KMB
Basic test of physical training of a fighter
Men - 60 points running for 3 km (14: 23-14: 29 min), 5 horizontal bar, 8 bars.
Women - 60 points running for 3 km (18: 34-18: 42 min), 11 push-ups.
obstacle course
Men - 11:00 min
Women - 19:15 min .....
Where are the requirements of 20 pull-ups? Drive? The standards are fully consistent with the standards of physical training CA and RA. There are interesting elements of complication. For example, in the equipment there is a liter flask with water, or even two, but I think that the climatic conditions are quite justified. In general, the standards for physical training may vary somewhat in the set of exercises and distances, but on average in the armies of different countries the standards are approximately the same with slight deviations.

[Krasnodar]

??
He wrote for 2000
This is the first. 20 - this is 100 points (five). Your data on the assessment of 60 - three points)). Secondly - you wrote about the physical exam at the Wingate Sports Institute for soldiers, and not the ordinary physical exam - where there is a 2 km run. (3 - for special forces and airborne forces), no bars, etc. The obstacle course is done in full gear - unloading, 2 flasks, 8 shops 5,56 x 45, don’t remember about the helmet. The hardest thing was the rope (for me). The usual physical exam is a T-shirt and shorts.

[merkava-2bet]

The whole world is studying with us, and so are you. Including tankers, long-range shooting and a technological approach, the same T-90MS tank, although everyone criticizes that the Merkava tank is a huge shed, but everyone goes to it, how many screams about the mass of the Armat’s tank on this site, just as the ghouls “patriots” and couch hehsperps didn’t call me here about 48 tons of weight and not a drop more, but I said no less than 60 tons, now officially said 55 tons, and the figure is not final, and where are all these "specialists" who tore vests.

[Den717]

Quote: merkava-2bet

The whole world is studying with us, and you too

Do not puff out your cheeks. The whole world is suffering with you, yes ... The configuration of the Merkava is removed from the BMP-1. Done, well, God bless you. 60 tons, so you don’t have many water barriers, such a piece of iron is quite acceptable for your theater. The fact that we steal technology from each other - the whole world lives like this. The teachers of you are like chicken bullets .... no good.

[merkava-2bet]

Learn the materiel, not cliché and propaganda.
The whole world barely tolerates you, yesYou asked the whole world to be stunned.

[Den717]

Quote: merkava-2bet

You asked the whole world to be stunned.

Your "roof" asked. And I came to the disappointing conclusion that half of the population of Eastern Europe "cannot stand" you. The western part is silent out of tolerance, so as not to make problems with a truthful answer. Moreover, over the past 2 years, the indicators of intolerance towards you have jumped another 3-5%. Now you can go crazy ... And you don’t "poke me", you and I didn’t sit with you ...

[Krasnodar]

Well, let’s say, it’s absolutely all the same to me who treats me, especially Poland, Hungary and the Tribalts)). With the rest of Eastern and Western Europe.

[merkava-2bet]

Do not tell me how to contact you, you, you, and so on, not of blue blood, but turned to you as a person. And I definitely won’t sit down with you with a glass, you can’t stand my piercing gaze. And if you slide down to racial and religious hatred, your deeds are bad, dear man.

[Den717]

Quote: merkava-2bet

Do not tell me how to contact you, you, you, you, etc., not blue blood,

But didn’t mom just teach respect to strangers?

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And if you slip into racial and religious hatred, your deeds are bad, dear man.

Your nation is to me - to a light bulb. Religion is even more so. But if all over the world for 2000 years pogroms have been systematically organized against your fellow tribesmen in all parts of the world, then perhaps it’s worth considering how you bring misfortunes to yourself? There are always reasons for each consequence. Have you tried to consider them?

[Kerensky]

With a mortar, they probably shot somewhere.

You are right, I personally observed reservists - mortar bombers.
Now you say that you’re baiting enemies and tales, but ..... The transfer of fire along the front by moving the position ... Very interesting. And their young observer swore that they were busy for a long time ...

[Krasnodar]

I attended the tank exercises, being a reservist, but looked at everything from afar, because was assigned to the headquarters of the brigade as military assistant. )) I saw from afar how tanks shoot. As for the mortar - I didn’t see it myself, but there seemed to be training firing from these weapons there.

[merkava-2bet]

We are no longer using it, officially all 60 mm mortars of internal design were removed from Merkava-4. Last week I was at a training ground near the Gaza Strip, talked with 401 brigade tankers.

[merkava-2bet]

In general, the idea of ​​installing a mortar on the Mage and Merkava tanks was simple, the use of passive infrared sights was very limited in range, so they shot chandeliers, that is, high-explosive shrapnel and smoke, so that it was like moral peace. I have never heard and never I saw it myself and did not shoot these mines, except for lighting ones, already from 2001, but on the other hand, we burned the roofs of houses in Scheme and Rammall with these lighters, not specifically, but because of the wind.

[Krasnodar]

It is possible and on purpose, by the way))
If desired,

[merkava-2bet]

In general, about five years ago, new smart munitions were developed for 60 mm, such as a parachute camera and kamikaze mini-UAVs, for the exact destruction of terrorists without consequences for other people, and even passed tests, but were not adopted, although for me a very good addition to weapons tank.

[Jager]

In this case, you can attach oars to it. And the tankman dismounting turns into a sailor.

[svp67]

Strange, but earlier the sides of this Challenger 2 were better protected

[Graz]

why such a stupid camouflage then on the tank

[Krasnodar]

Desert camouflage

[Graz]

I'm talking about 3-color white-blue-brown, something on the city it does not pull

[Krasnodar]

Maybe for Scotland? ))))

[Free wind]

Bulldozer blade ..... like that, well, a controversial decision, an explosion of a mine or a grenade will interrupt the hydraulics and what to do with this dump? And I won’t envy the wounded, it’s unlikely that any tanker will put the stern of the tank under fire.

[VicktorVR]

Have you decided to cross the hedgehog and the snake? MBT and BMPT?

[garri-lin]

They would be paired with a mortar with non-lethal shots and another AGS in the SAM with circular firing and an elevation of 85 degrees. Plus the blade is not even but wedge-shaped, so as not to move the obstacle but to push it apart. With the evacuation of delirium. If you really want to, you can attach a stretcher bracket. On the sides and in the stern, away from the exhaust.

[Victor Leningradets]

It is advisable for Streetfighter-II to consider replacing the 120-mm rifled gun with a 155-mm howitzer. Well and, of course, protection, especially from above.

[Operator]

How not to fight - after a shot from the gun, the shock wave and the muzzle flame will incinerate their infantrymen in front of the tank

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Operator

How not to fight

So no one fights there. The barrel of the cannon is plugged, on the right in the photo (on the left in the direction of the tank) a body lies on the bulldozer bucket ... also, apparently, is "at war"

[Operator]

Yes, yes, but what then does the infantryman in the foreground participate in the parade?

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Operator

Yeah yeah

And what of this - "no"?

Quote: Golovan Jack

The barrel of the gun is plugged, on the right in the photo (on the left along the tank) on the bulldozer bucket lies the body ...

Quote: Operator

and what then does the infantryman in the foreground participate in the parade?

Fools around. Purely on camera.

[tima_ga]

In the photo shoot

[Kerensky]

and what then does the foot soldier in the foreground

Andrew. Watch the video. The tank retreats from 300 on the dump, and the infantryman covers it !!!!

[Operator]

Marines should not be in front of the tank either in the offensive or in the retreat - otherwise death / injuries from the shock wave and muzzle flame are guaranteed to them.

[Operator]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Fools around

Non - British scientists have proven that it is better to cover armored vehicles with infantry from the front rather than from the rear

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Operator

Quote: Golovan Jack

Fools around

Non - British scientists have proven that it is better to cover armored vehicles with infantry from the front rather than from the rear

[Operator]

Check out the difference between a shot from a 125 mm tank gun

And pass on to British scientists

[tima_ga]

Or maybe the tanks should not be in dense buildings? They are very clumsy and vulnerable there.

[Kerensky]

Or maybe the tanks should not be in dense buildings?

Timur. We are talking about ecology and gutarim .....
There is no place for tanks in dense buildings. Here you need another box. Flamethrower in the basement and dropping buildings with a short-barreled large-caliber.

[ushakorv]

Just one question. Aaaaa how to direct this mortar then))) judging by the photo it (screwed-firmly- "pinned") tightly.

[Kerensky]

Ahhhh how this mortar to induce something

Alexei. This is a lighting device. But if you really want, then turn the tower.

[Nameless]

Quote: Kerensky

Timur. We are talking about ecology and gutarim .....
There is no place for tanks in dense buildings. Here you need another box. Flamethrower in the basement and dropping buildings with a short-barreled large-caliber.

How about a machine based on MBT with a 152 mm low-ballistic gun with high-explosive and thermobaric shells + a jet flamethrower instead of an anti-aircraft or coaxial machine gun (or even from the main gun - as did flamethrower tanks did before)?