Hong Kong and Taiwan: Greater China Stalled


Protests in a special administrative region



This month, mass demonstrations are taking place in the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region of Hong Kong. And this picture is constantly broadcast to us from television screens. They talk about the victims, about the demands of the protesters and so on ... And for some reason sometimes it’s almost news number one. And the "revolution of umbrellas" was back in 2014.

And these very protests amaze observers with their mass character and organization. And at the same time, it is worryingly broadcasting about the problem of these protests for official Beijing and what official Beijing intends to do: should troops be brought in? And what consequences it will lead ... I will say right away: I, of course, am not an expert on domestic issues and, of course, am extremely far from understanding all the subtleties of this political process. However, from a certain moment, the infinity of these processes began to annoy me.

How much can, in the end? What's wrong guys? In general, from 1860 to 1997, Hong Kong was British (in 1860, after the defeat of China in the second opium war, the territories of the Kowloon Peninsula south of Boundary Street and Stone Cutter Island were transferred to the eternal possession of Great Britain under the Beijing Treaty) and how Some particularly powerful protests there, for example, in the 90s, were not observed. And he was transferred quite peacefully and received “very special status” as part of China. Incredibly special. And even a Chinese with a Chinese passport is so easy not to get to Hong Kong: there is something like border control there.

Wiki:

“According to the joint Sino-British declaration and the Hong Kong Basic Law, the territory is granted wide autonomy until 2047, that is, for 50 years after the transfer of sovereignty. Within the framework of the course “One country, two systems” and “Hong Kong are governed by Hong Kong themselves in a high degree of autonomy”, during this period, the Central People’s Government of China takes over the defense and foreign policy of the territory, while Hong Kong retains control over legislation, police, the monetary system, duties and immigration policies, and also retains representation in international organizations and events. ”

Here is such autonomy was granted. Representation in international organizations. But something went wrong. Let us honestly admit: de facto Hong Kong did not completely become part of China. Nevertheless, already in the 10s we have a powerful political crisis. And as we all, again, fully understand that Beijing’s ultimate goal is the full integration of Hong Kong. Since otherwise managing the country and planning something there is quite difficult. Given the fact of the presence, such as in the composition, of such an “enclave”.

Hong Kong and Taiwan: Greater China Stalled

So, without any integration, riots broke out, which makes us involuntarily think about the general prospects of the entire project “one country - two systems”. Now, if, for example, southern and northern China were united, then some kind of logic would have taken place, but here we have disparate values: one city and a huge country. And because of this, to fence some kind of "supersystem"? What for? Is it too complicated and costly? Or is China so needed and not needed at all by Hong Kong? Or what's going on?

Some strange picture was drawn: the “pro-Chinese” forces were not very noticeable in Hong Kong. Generally imperceptible. The masses of people fell to protest. The option with the introduction of troops looks very strange in general: what will we get from the results? And what will it look like? No, in 1968 the British also introduced troops there, but they were like invaders. And the Chinese are kind of like their own. But for some reason, this “personal character” is not noticeable for some reason. Somehow, the Hong Kongers did not notice any “Chinese patriotism”.

The CCP got in with this very Hong Kong like chicken in the pluck. One city is protesting de facto, but it’s like the “political crisis in China.” By the way, it is quite possible that just the political crisis in China takes place (and it takes place), but it is very, very indirectly connected with Hong Kong. Nevertheless, we constantly hear something there about the revolution of umbrellas in Hong Kong and about China's problems in this regard. Moreover, the most offensive, no split, as has already been said, is not observed in Hong Kong and no one speaks seriously for Beijing.

I understand that everything is not so simple and quite specific forces are behind these protests, this is a no brainer. But did the Chinese leadership really not understand the cultural and political consequences of almost one and a half centuries of British rule? Did they not realize that there would be not just a lot of “bookmarks”, but a lot? Did they seriously trust British decency in political affairs (surrendered territory - accepted territory)?

Don't you think that during the “reunion” some serious mistakes were made? Was it worth it? And now, China is imposing sanctions against the United States ... to protect Hong Kong. From whom, excuse me? Why are there such difficulties? It’s just such an impression that Hong Kong is not playing on the side of China in the global confrontation between the USA and China. And China, by the way, and without Hong Kong, has enough internal problems that have arisen as a result of the "accelerated development of the coast."


And to put a huge country “on the ears” because of the vagaries of one city? It's worth it? And, most importantly, how long will this same political crisis last? Is the game worth the candle? After all, as I understand it, it was originally supposed that the “return of Hong Kong” would increase the credibility of the Chinese state in the international arena, so inside Of China. There, even an electronic dial in the center of Beijing was set with a countdown to Hong Kong return. And what did it all result in?

I understand that the logic was as follows: the main thing is to return, and then we'll figure it out. As it turned out, all the main problems arose just after returning. Is there, excuse me, eliminated autonomy and introduced the Chinese police? They distributed Mao's quotes to everyone and made them memorize? What is wrong?

Wiki:

“The Hong Kong Security Bureau invited the Legislature to amend the Hong Kong Extradition Act in February 2019, which was supposed to include China, Macau, and Taiwan in the list of 20 countries with which there were already agreements to extradite suspected criminals.”

That is, the issue is the extradition of criminals to China (in this particular case, Taiwan, with which China has no diplomatic relations). But hell, what then is the principle of "one country", even if criminals nobody wants to transfer to China? That is, as it were, with Don (that is, from Hong Kong) there is no extradition? Does that mean one country? Do you understand that? An interesting movie turns out ... So what is the unity, brother? Where is it, this unity?

And then we “suddenly” learn that the Hong Kong people strongly dislike the Chinese legal system. Well, then why unite? Around what to unite? Even very different (independent) states have extradition agreements. And here inside one countries, this principle does not apply. Well, and how to live with it? The Chinese leadership can be understood just right - some kind of nonsense is obtained in fact.

Dead end and trap. The CCP can’t retreat here in any way - a complete loss of prestige. And the Hong Kongs are organizing protests. Against extradition of criminals. Somehow everything turned out “wrong". They praised China for the exemplary reunion with Hong Kong, praised ... and seem to have praised. Even after 20 years, the Hong Kong people themselves do not feel Chinese.


Reunion with Taiwan


I will not retell here the most interesting history the civil war in China and the history of the flight of the losing Chiang Kai-shekists to Taiwan and their creation of their state there. Most importantly, Taiwan was initially categorically hostile to mainland China. Fundamentally and categorically hostile. And so it was almost his whole story. Several generations of Taiwanese have grown up, for whom communist China is their worst enemy. At the same time, like Hong Kong, Taiwan is cooperating economically with Beijing, but no more.

And it is from these very positions that the idea of ​​“reuniting” with Taiwan looks rather strange. The trouble is that the people of Taiwan do not need this categorically. There, they were not "occupied" by the Americans, they themselves want to live separately. And here it is really problem. There, the Chinese comrades are also developing plans for a “power operation”, while the American comrades are sending aircraft carriers to that region. It also means that they are publishing purely theoretical plans for the capture of Taiwan from the mainland ... Why is this all?

So to say, what is the profit? That is, in many ways, Chinese foreign policy is "suspended" in the "inevitable" military conflict with Taiwan. Why do they need it? This is a kind of trap: right now we have a big problem, but we’ll solve it and everything will be fine.

First, it is completely unclear how long the “problem” period will last. And what will it cost politically and diplomatically. You know, there are no free cakes. If you have been concentrating your resources on one (possibly dead-end) direction for decades, you are wasting time and other opportunities. Why do you need it?

Secondly, it is absolutely unclear how and by what this conflict will be resolved: both China and Taiwan do not exist in a vacuum, but are tightly tied into a system of international relations. What will lead to an attempt to force solutions, one can only guess.

Well, and thirdly, it is not completely clear what will result from even the successful entry of Taiwan into the PRC. You know, “vague doubts torment me,” especially judging by the example of Hong Kong. And if there will still be a real invasion, with shooting, corpses and fires? And the mass exodus of Taiwanese abroad?

Who ever said that such a scam of the century would burn out? For some reason, they are considering a “purely military option”. Say, China can seize Taiwan. Of course it can. And then what to do? What will be the methods of political settlement? What will China gain from this operation? What will lose? Complete suspense.

In fact, reuniting with Taiwan is a kind of leap into the dark, you can even break your legs. Obstacle - it, of course, is a good thing, but not always and not in everything. That is, China's policy is more than predictable, and even the direction of this policy itself is more than predictable. That is, there is a great reason for manipulation.

Whether all the policies of a huge state should revolve around one island, albeit a Chinese one, is a debatable question. Somehow, this is a little embarrassing - the desire to solve the "Taiwan question" at any cost. What is this, wounded pride? But big politics cannot be based on emotions.


Politics and Illusions


Is such a policy generally illusory? When has a great power for decades been working on a very dubious goal? While creating yourself a bunch of problems and paying frankly insufficient attention to solving other problems? For some reason, I recall how almost the entire 19th century Russia was breaking into the Balkans, freeing the Slav brothers from the Turkish yoke.

Yes, that's right, almost the entire 19th century after the defeat of Bonaparte we spent fussing with Orthodox brothers, which brought us numerous expenses, bloody wars, the Paris Congress of 1856, the Berlin Congress of 1878 and the shots in Sarajevo on June 28 1914 ...

Then, quite predictably, all the Balkan Orthodox Slavic brothers turned to the West, and Bulgaria generally fought two world wars против Of Russia. It seems that we spent the 19th century a little on what we had to spend. Such an impression is formed that someone dragged us into this ridiculous adventure, which, according to the results, did not bring us anything good.

After the collapse of the USSR, they told us for a very long time that the main thing for Russia was its relationship with Ukraine. But what about the brotherly people ... At the same time, the logical arguments, namely the frank Russophobia of official Kiev, were somehow not taken into account much. The economic and political importance of modern Belarus is close to zero, but again, we are buzzing in all ears that we need to integrate. And integrate endlessly and at all costs.

Is someone trying to manipulate us in this way? And do we have more urgent tasks? And is it worth it to build big politics on emotions? That is, of course, in all the above situations, it would be necessary to conduct a policy, but tightly tying it to a specific foreign city, whether it be Belgrade, Varna or even Bobruisk, seems to be a big mistake. In no case should you deprive yourself of the freedom of political maneuver.

At one time, the Austro-Hungarian (two-pronged) monarchy wanted at any price solve the Serbian issue. And she even almost succeeded. When a great power wants at any price to solve minor (and especially foreign) problems, this usually does not end in good.

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  1. Aerodrome 7 January 2020 05: 48 New
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    How much can, in the end? What's wrong guys?
    Yes, because we need not to doze off in our seats, hands folded on our stomachs, but WORK, why we are surrounded - but because we play “long”, we of course also try (Crimea, Syria), but we lag behind a lot, try building and bombs it doesn’t work out ... because, you have to educate your citizens from the cradle, not according to the "Bologna system" - there’s either stupidity or outright betrayal ... TWO decades already ... who don’t understand what?
    1. Mavrikiy 7 January 2020 09: 05 New
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      Yes, because you need not to doze off in chairs, hands folded on the tummy, but WORK
      , The Chinese are used to sitting on the shore and waiting for the corpse of their enemy, do not bother them. China is not a friend to us, but a neighbor.
      1. dSK
        dSK 7 January 2020 16: 18 New
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        Hong Kong is a former colony, a bridgehead captured by the "Great Britons" in China. China, in exchange for help with the invaders, ceded to Russia the coastal territory in the region of modern Vladivostok. In the last century, the United States captured two bridgeheads on the east coast of Asia - Taiwan and South Korea. To keep them - pumped up with cheap loans, betray modern technology, bribing the local "elite", growing vassals.
        The technology has been developed and successfully applied in the Baltic States, Georgia, Ukraine and not only ...
        1. Mavrikiy 7 January 2020 16: 21 New
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          Quote: dsk
          Hong Kong is a former colony, a bridgehead captured by the "Great Britons" in China. China, in exchange for help with the invaders, ceded to Russia the coastal territory in the region of modern Vladivostok.
          Go hangover and leave Claudia alone, grammar. repeatWhen did we help China fight for Hong Kong? fool
        2. dSK
          dSK 7 January 2020 16: 22 New
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          In 1654, the Russian army again approached Smolensk, led by Tsar Alexei Mikhailovich [20] and besieged the city. On August 16, an assault was launched, which turned out to be unsuccessful. Nevertheless, having exhausted all means of resistance, the Smolensk garrison capitulated on September 23, 1654, and Smolensk was finally annexed to the Russian state. Legally, this annexation secured the Andrusovo truce of 1667 and confirmed the Eternal Peace of 1686 between Russia and the Commonwealth.
          - 54 years after the end of the Time of Troubles, this is how much sweat and blood our ancestors shed.
          1. dSK
            dSK 7 January 2020 16: 32 New
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            From 1362 year to 1569 year (207 years) Kiev part of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, from 1569 to 1654 (85 years) he is part of the Crown of the Polish Commonwealth. In 1654 year in the city there is an anti-Polish uprising and Kiev passes "under the arm of the Moscow Tsar", which is officially confirmed at the signing of the Andrusov Armistice in 1667. (wikipedia)
        3. ssm
          ssm 7 January 2020 16: 45 New
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          Quote: dsk
          In the last century, the United States captured two bridgeheads on the east coast of Asia - Taiwan and South Korea. To keep them - pumped up with cheap loans, betray modern technology, bribing the local "elite", growing vassals.

          From what shaggy age have you come to us with such terminology and “vision of the situation”? Where was the time machine hidden?
          1. dSK
            dSK 7 January 2020 16: 59 New
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            Quote: ssm
            from what shaggy century

            In the last century, at school.
            in 1860 year after the defeat of China in the second opium war, the territories of the Kowloon Peninsula south of Boundary Street and the Stone-cutting Islands were transferred to the eternal possession of Great Britain under the Beijing Treaty
            - Author.
            In 1858, Russia concluded the Aigun Treaty with China, and in 1860 the Beijing Treaty.which received vast territories of Transbaikalia, Khabarovsk Territory, a significant part of Manchuria, including Primorye ("Ussuri Territory"). (Wikipedia)
          2. Grandfather 8 January 2020 04: 44 New
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            Quote: ssm
            Quote: dsk
            In the last century, the United States captured two bridgeheads on the east coast of Asia - Taiwan and South Korea. To keep them - pumped up with cheap loans, betray modern technology, bribing the local "elite", growing vassals.

            From what shaggy age have you come to us with such terminology and “vision of the situation”? Where was the time machine hidden?

            duck it ... "Wikipedist" he ....
      2. cormorant 11 January 2020 03: 52 New
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        In fact, the system proposed in the early 1980s by Deng Xiaoping "One country, two systems" is now somehow not mentioned. But the people then believed, and the riots did not begin in the 90s, but only when the gadgets began to tighten up from mainland China.
        Apparently, with the tightening of nuts in Hong Kong, Taiwan will only move farther away, and, accordingly, is preparing for defense.
  2. sergey_please 7 January 2020 06: 26 New
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    Author do you care what local?)
    1. rich 7 January 2020 06: 50 New
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      If there is nothing to say in the article, it is better to remain silent. Better yet, become an author yourself. And then we will discuss interesting topics for you personally
    2. Pessimist22 7 January 2020 07: 02 New
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      Exactly, the Chinese will figure it out, and that's why some laws are in force in the Russian Federation, and interesting in Chechnya.
      1. svp67 7 January 2020 07: 28 New
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        Quote: Pessimist22
        Exactly, the Chinese will figure it out, and that's why some laws are in force in the Russian Federation, and interesting in Chechnya.

        Is everything all right in Kazakhstan?
      2. knn54 7 January 2020 12: 26 New
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        Taiwan serves financial flows between China and the rest of the world.
        Many financiers launder funds. If capitalists often turn a blind eye to this, just have to share and not bury it, then this is a crime in the PRC. That is, a blow to the BASIC business. Considering that, economically, Hong Kong residents do nothing more, then there is nothing surprising, they deprive the earnings
        1. UserGun 7 January 2020 15: 19 New
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          Quote: knn54
          Taiwan serves financial flows between China and the rest of the world.


          What does he serve ?! ))) Throw people to make people laugh))) Taiwan does not need this. From the word, just like the continental neighbor.
    3. Mavrikiy 7 January 2020 09: 06 New
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      Quote: sergey_please
      Author do you care what local?)

      Who cares about the blatant Saxons that they climb with battleships?
    4. sergo1914 7 January 2020 14: 43 New
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      Quote: sergey_please
      Author do you care what local?)


      Or maybe he's local ...
  3. svp67 7 January 2020 07: 31 New
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    China will find a solution to how to "strangle in a friendly embrace" Hong Kong. More than sure. They are already "silent glanders" do it. And the Tiananmen experience was not in vain for them, they began to work more accurately very carefully.
    1. prior 7 January 2020 10: 01 New
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      It is to suffocate with complete isolation. And there, you see the Hong Kong patriots themselves will begin to join the CCP.
      1. Sergej1972 7 January 2020 10: 36 New
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        The funny thing is that in the territory of Hong Kong, the CCP does not have its own organizations. There, communists are only servicemen of the small PLA garrison and officials of the central government offices in the territory of the special administrative region. And the permanent residents of Hong Kong cannot join the party.)
      2. Krasnodar 7 January 2020 12: 32 New
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        Hong Kong residents today live to the highest world standards of health care, per capita income, etc., to which China is still far away. No wonder integration into the country is worse than no one there.
        1. opus 8 January 2020 15: 06 New
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          Quote: Krasnodar
          Hong Kong residents today live to the highest world standards.

          1. The most expensive housing in the world
          2018: the ratio of housing prices to citizens' income reached 20,9 - a record coefficient in the entire history of observations.

          United States with an average availability of 3,5
          2. The average salary in Hong Kong is 12-15 thousand HK $ (95-120 thousand rubles)
          3. In this state, there are practically no taxes, including VAT.
          The income tax rate is currently 16,5%, if you do business / earn outside Hong Kong - 0%
          No wonder integration into the country is worse than no one there.

          Until 2047, much more can change.
          PS. they are not protesting "against China"
    2. carstorm 11 7 January 2020 11: 38 New
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      with wild caution. Hong Kong is not just a city. This is a huge financial center. therefore, there is no strong pressure yet. they will starve along the way. by force is not an option.
      1. svp67 7 January 2020 11: 43 New
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        Quote: carstorm 11
        they will starve along the way. by force is not an option.

        Banks will start to pull over ...
        1. carstorm 11 7 January 2020 11: 46 New
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          it certainly won’t happen) there banks are definitely not Chinese in essence) most likely work with the elite. buying it in the end for a lot of money. it’s a world financial center and it’s stupid to drag something or change it.
          1. svp67 7 January 2020 12: 45 New
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            Quote: carstorm 11
            and drag something there or change stupid

            Well, you can "pull" and "vertically", as you suggest. Leaving the Bank itself in place, but the "leadership" is "pulled" to its side, and then it's a matter of technology
    3. sergo1914 7 January 2020 14: 49 New
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      Quote: svp67
      China will find a solution to how to "strangle in a friendly embrace" Hong Kong. More than sure. They are already "silent glanders" do it. And the Tiananmen experience was not in vain for them, they began to work more accurately very carefully.



      The CCP has nothing to do with Tiananmen. They, too, began to hesitate after Gorbachev's visit. But there were people. Old Guard Mao. They decided. Army top. At the same time they hesitated the hesitant. But they themselves did not climb into the TV. Wise. The Chinese Stalinist Maoists are that team. Now the grandchildren are being trained. IMHO - themselves brewed. Practice on cats.
  4. parusnik 7 January 2020 08: 23 New
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    Hong Kong, Taiwan, Macau ... for China, a matter of principle .. How can you consider yourself a Great Power if foreign colonies exist on your territory and there is no territorial unity ... China will not make concessions to Hong Kong, but it will solve the problem ... and not by force by ...
    1. Sergej1972 7 January 2020 10: 38 New
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      In fact, the PRC in the course of recent events made a number of concessions.
  5. andrewkor 7 January 2020 08: 29 New
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    The theme of the pro-communist party of Taiwan is not disclosed. It exists, although it is miserable.
    The accursed Taiwanese militarist Chiang Kai-shek captured the Soviet tanker Tuapse in 1954. This fact was reproduced in the movie "Emergency". One of my favorite in childhood!
    1. ML-334 7 January 2020 09: 41 New
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      Chiang Kai-shek is the national hero of the Chinese, for he fought with the Japanese. Mao was sitting in the USSR and he was brought to everything prepared and this could not please the common people. Received information from a participant in those grandfather events. Another of the stories: in China at that time theft was flourishing - the Japanese came and began to chop hands for it and the theft stopped. It would not hurt our officials to visit the Japanese.
      1. tihonmarine 7 January 2020 09: 58 New
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        Quote: ML-334
        in China at that time theft flourished - the Japanese came and began to chop hands for it and the theft stopped. It would not hurt our officials to visit the Japanese.

        I don’t remember that, under JV Stalin, officials stole, and he didn’t cut his hands.
        1. ML-334 7 January 2020 10: 00 New
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          So after all, the Japanese of the USSR did not occupy, I mean China.
        2. AU Ivanov. 7 January 2020 10: 18 New
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          And why then chop hands? Stalin in these hands gave out a saw or a saw. In especially advanced cases - a lead lotion on the back of the head. Although, as the archives testify, they stole under Stalin.
          1. tihonmarine 7 January 2020 10: 23 New
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            Quote: AU Ivanov.
            Although, as the archives testify, they stole under Stalin.

            Theft and prostitution appeared when a third person appeared on Earth.
            1. Topgun 7 January 2020 16: 26 New
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              I agree that it is not possible to completely defeat corruption, because we are people and everyone is different, but this does not mean that we don’t need to fight it, for some people the death penalty is not an obstacle, but for many, yes, for someone letting relatives go confiscation is not a hindrance to the world, but for many, yes, and so it is possible to continue until the conditions are such that 0 whole, lousy people agree to corruption ...
      2. Sergej1972 7 January 2020 10: 46 New
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        Your grandfather received the wrong information. Mao did not sit out in the USSR. Under the rule of the CCP in the 30-40s. significant territories of China were located, and it had its own numerous armed forces. Unlike Eastern European countries, the Chinese Communists independently came to power as a result of victory in the civil war. Therefore, they behaved on equal terms in relations with the USSR, and the Soviet leadership did not have the opportunity to influence the balance of power in the leadership of the CCP. Although the military and organizational assistance of the USSR should not be denied, it was quite large.
        1. ML-334 7 January 2020 11: 06 New
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          Sergei, my grandfather, half of China came with convoys in those years, and he saw it and he didn’t give a damn about politics — he fed a small family.
          1. Sergej1972 7 January 2020 11: 26 New
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            He was a man of honor. Do I have anything against your grandfather? He was a simple man. He was hardly interested in the nuances of the domestic political struggle in China and, most likely, did not know that Mao first visited the USSR only in 1949.
            1. ML-334 7 January 2020 11: 31 New
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              Grandfather moved his family from China to the USSR in 1954 and not only he was so familiar with the situation
        2. Krasnodar 7 January 2020 12: 35 New
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          Quote: Sergej1972
          Your grandfather received the wrong information. Mao did not sit out in the USSR. Under the rule of the CCP in the 30-40s. significant territories of China were located, and it had its own numerous armed forces. Unlike Eastern European countries, the Chinese Communists independently came to power as a result of victory in the civil war. Therefore, they behaved on equal terms in relations with the USSR, and the Soviet leadership did not have the opportunity to influence the balance of power in the leadership of the CCP. Although the military and organizational assistance of the USSR should not be denied, it was quite large.

          That's right - the USSR during the Japanese aggression in China helped Chankayshi, and the States during WWII ... - Mao
          1. Aviator_ 7 January 2020 15: 44 New
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            and the States during WWII ... - Mao

            I hear it for the first time. From this place more.
            1. Krasnodar 7 January 2020 16: 01 New
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              Quote: Aviator_
              and the States during WWII ... - Mao

              I hear it for the first time. From this place more.

              [/ b] Throughout the period 1941-1943, the Japanese also conducted punitive operations against the communist troops. This was due to the need to combat the ever-growing partisan movement. So, for a year (from summer 1941 to summer 1942) as a result of punitive operations by Japanese troops, the territory of the partisan regions of the CPC was halved. Units of the 8th Army and the New 4th CCP Army in battles with the Japanese lost up to 150 thousand soldiers during this time [b]
              Since about 1942, the States began to help Mao, exactly until the moment he agreed with the Japanese on a truce
              1. Aviator_ 7 January 2020 17: 13 New
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                This is all so, it seems that this quote is from the book "A Special Region of China." But where is it written that the United States began to help the CCP instead of helping the Kuomintang?
                1. Krasnodar 7 January 2020 17: 41 New
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                  I read at Beaver, and a quote from Wiki
                  The states also helped the Kuomintang, at the level of army generals. Like the Union, however.
                  1. Aviator_ 7 January 2020 18: 26 New
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                    Thank. Soviet adviser generals and flight instructors disappeared from China in 1941 for well-known reasons - they became more needed in the Union. The Kuomintang all had them, and military relations with the CCP were established only in 1945 after the defeat of Japan (the property of the Kwantung Army was transferred to the CCP). And from 1941 to 1945, the USSR acted in China only by political means - Vladimirov in his book writes how much effort he had to exert to force Mao to fight the Japanese, and not the Kuomintang. Kuomintang also preferred to fight with Mao, and not with the Japanese. Mao began to show particular independence after the dissolution of the Comintern.
                    1. Krasnodar 7 January 2020 18: 39 New
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                      I read it. Among the famous Soviet generals who helped Chaykanshi was Chuikov
      3. Aviator_ 7 January 2020 15: 39 New
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        There is such a book, “A Special Region of China,” by Vladimirov, a representative of the Comintern under Mao. Very informative book, I recommend. By the way, there’s nothing at all about “staying in the USSR”. The book of Vladimirov was prepared for publication by his son, the famous weightlifter Yuri Vlasov in the mid-70s.
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        Mao was sitting in the USSR and he was brought to everything ready

        Mao visited the USSR after winning the civil war. He came to the USSR as a statesman equal to Stalin. Stalin showed wisdom, immediately recognized this, and, unlike Khrushchev, did not try to show that he was more influential than Mao. You can’t spread your fantasies if they are not even remotely similar to historical events. By the end of the war, the Communist troops controlled vast rural areas up to the Pacific Ocean and were able, right after the surrender of Japan, not only to prevent the Kuomintang from these liberated areas, but also to prevent the landing of the US Marine Corps.
  6. demo 7 January 2020 08: 37 New
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    The author needs to look at the whole centuries-old history of China.
    How many times did the state crumble into specific kingdoms, principalities, and after some 100-200 years gathered again? Dozens of times!
    The thinking of the Chinese is very different from the thinking of the Europeans, and we, including you.
    The leader of China, at all times, thinks in terms of eternity.
    That is, their time scale is endless.
    What is impossible, but vitally necessary, to do today, will be done in 10-100 years.
    Time does not matter.
    Those problems that are present, but do not have today's solution, do not interfere with the main thing - the development of the state.
    And the world’s first place in all respects is industrial production, military superiority, government and leadership.
    Hong Kong and Taiwan are annoying misunderstandings in the unconditionally harmonious system for achieving the set objectives.
    China has the main and most powerful weapon - human resources.
    Huge resources.
    And these resources have done and will do everything in the future to achieve the main goal - the transformation of China into the dominant and only force in the world.
    Without competitors in the form of the USA, Europe and Russia.
    As if someone did not relate to this, and no matter how someone did not like it.
    1. Mavrikiy 7 January 2020 09: 12 New
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      How many times did the state crumble into specific kingdoms, principalities, and after some 100-200 years gathered again? Dozens of times!
      AND? Does China have 100-200 years to recover its spans and crumbs? If the process is accelerated through a forceful solution, then it can crumble itself. If China crumbles today, the United States will be destroyed.
      And these resources have done and will do everything in the future to achieve the main goal - the transformation of China into the dominant and only force in the world.
      Without competitors in the form of the USA, Europe and Russia.
      It’s not yet evening, they count the chickens in the fall.
      And the world’s first place in all respects is industrial production, military superiority, government and leadership.
      Do not watch Chinese cartoons before bedtime.
      1. demo 7 January 2020 12: 26 New
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        After 100 years, on the same site we will discuss the situation.
        Is it going?
        1. Mavrikiy 7 January 2020 16: 49 New
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          Quote: demo
          After 100 years, on the same site we will discuss the situation.
          Is it going?
          Ok, that's just embarrassing, not me alone, drumming: Hong Kong and Taiwan - annoying misunderstandings in an unconditionally harmonious system for achieving the assigned tasks. hi It just sounds crazy.
          1. misunderstanding - in what degree. Pimple, squeeze, or corn and go no urine, or cancer, and surgery is required, nuclear weapons.
          2. certainly - but doubts crept in, that this is not a pebble in a boot, but a cliff where you can turn your neck.
          3. slim system achievements assigned tasks. - a drum on the neck and a harmonious system of tasks set (until the end, defeat the whole world), but achievements it’s for you guys to go to school in grade 3 while they’re sorting out what desires are not realization. hi
          1. demo 7 January 2020 20: 17 New
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            It seems to me that you are still loosening.
            So beware of tips on where to go.
            Maybe I saw Lenin alive!
            Okay shaky.

            I express a purely personal point of view based on personal observations obtained through personal contact, living personally in China for many months.
            What I understand is hard to just take and convey in words of comment.
            These are my feelings about how ordinary Chinese people think, and how senior officials think.
            Communicated with both those and those.
            Both in a formal and not at all formal setting, after 0.7 on the nose of Mountai of the Beijing flood.
            The thinking of the nation is formatted.
            Everything that happens and that has received the approval of the party and the government is true and is not subject to any discussion.
            And not because of fear (although this is), but because a priori the authorities are smarter.
            And, period.
            But there are times when the Chinese are lost in the "three pines."
            life example.
            I needed to purchase TVs (plasma), laptops. memory cards and something else on the little things.
            I'm sitting with the owner of a large regional dealer.
            We discussed indicative prices, terms of payment and other issues.
            He asks what should be put first?
            I answer - which is more convenient for you.
            OK!
            We meet in a week.
            I ask about the specifics.
            He answers - what should be put in the first place?
            Pause. A curtain.
            The company provides the supply of goods to the market with a capacity of 125 million people.
            The Chinese do not want to make an independent decision and are not able to.
            Waiting for instructions from above.

            Hong Kong, and Taiwan, live with a different mentality.
            And the continental is hard to understand the islanders.
            But they will break them anyway.
            I have no doubt about this for a minute.
            The only nation that causes concern and respect among them is the Russians.
            The rest are either despised or hated.
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              Quote: demo
              The only nation that causes concern and respect among them is the Russians.
              The rest are either despised or hated.

              I heard that the only nation they respect is the Jews. requestSee you in 100 years. hi
    2. Sergej1972 7 January 2020 10: 51 New
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      And India will have more human resources. By the end of the 20s. overtake China in terms of number of inhabitants. And, given the much higher birth rate, now there are much more children, adolescents and young people in India than in China.
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    And the Chinese are kind of like their own. But for some reason, this “personal character” is not noticeable. Somehow, the Hong Kongers did not notice any “Chinese patriotism”.
    Yes, it’s everywhere like that, it’s like their own, but not their own.
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    The key phrase was made at the very beginning of the article: I’ll say right away: I, of course, am not an expert on domestic topics and, of course, am extremely far from understanding all the subtleties of this political process.

    I read it, but didn’t understand. And SHO? And HDE? And most importantly, why this article?
    Well, practiced verbiage.
    Hong Kong is one of the financial centers of the world. Which in the world can be counted on the fingers of one hand. (Off): New York, British CITY, Brussels, well, maybe Switzerland. Hong Kong is a chicken that lays golden eggs. which tied the entire economy of China, and to a large extent the entire Asia-Pacific region.
    And just take and share (Like Sharikov), it will not work. Only after cutting it off.
    And what side is Taiwan here, it’s not clear at all. With Taiwan, a completely different situation.
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    from a certain moment, the infinity of these processes began to annoy me.

    to make any “supersystem” because of this? What for? Is it too complicated and costly?

    However, from a certain moment, the infinity of these processes began to annoy me.

    to put "on ears" a huge country because of the vagaries of one city? It's worth it?


    Due to the annoyance of the author, who for some reason drew from Hong Kong more than China itself, we can conclude that the author is a guard who, saying "Hong Kong", means "Shies".

    Don't you think that during the “reunion” some serious mistakes were made?

    Exactly one - the Chinese Winnie the Pooh violated the basic principle of stability of China - the replacement of the Secretary General and rewrote the constitution for himself in order to be able to remain in power contract. And joining a country where cartoons prohibit, because the leader has baked on them and where entire nations, such as Uyghurs, are sitting in concentration camps, is a dubious pleasure.

    even nobody in China wants to transfer criminals?

    As long as “criminals” are meant those who do not enthusiastically glorify the Chinese Pyn, then, of course, they will.
  10. Sergej1972 7 January 2020 10: 58 New
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    I would like to read about the attitude of Taiwan to the events in Hong Kong. And also about the attitude of Hong Kongers to Taiwan, its political and legal system. So far, I have the impression that the Hong Kong people do not trust the Taiwanese legal system. After all, they are categorically against the extradition of their criminals not only to mainland China, but also to Taiwan. Maybe someone has links to analytical materials? Unfortunately, I have not yet found anything sensible on the Internet.
  11. iouris 7 January 2020 11: 15 New
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    If "Big China" is at an impasse, then there is only one way out - to surrender.
  12. verp19 7 January 2020 12: 19 New
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    Then, quite predictably, all the Balkan Orthodox Slavic brothers turned to the West, and Bulgaria generally fought two world wars against Russia. It seems that we spent the 19th century a little on what we had to spend.


    Predictably ... In what sense? Ah, yeah ... yeah, the Balkan brothers are insidious from the beginning. And of course, the imperial policy of Russia is absolutely irrelevant. Why, why take into account the interests of some Balkan dark subjects there? "We nevertheless freed them! And that’s all !!! Jump to them only under our tune!"

    And not only the 19th century was not spent on that. The quality of governance in the Republic of Ingushetia / USSR / RF suffers from an archaic model of power.

    And there is no need to worry about the Chinese. They think a few steps forward.
    1. Winnie76 7 January 2020 15: 13 New
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      Predictably ... In what sense? Ah, yeah ... yeah, the Balkan brothers are insidious from the beginning. And of course, the imperial policy of Russia is absolutely irrelevant.

      Just incompetent. They are not and were not subjects of international relations. And therefore sold for a bag of beads.
      1. verp19 7 January 2020 15: 46 New
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        Just incompetent. They are not and were not subjects of international relations. And therefore sold for a bag of beads.

        I advise you to move away a little from the myths and stereotypes of a'la Samsonov.

        Being part of the Ottoman Empire, the Balkan peoples somehow managed to create independent states with a lack of resources. Or call it "beads"? "Nah, kanechnaa Russia has presented everything ..." Broaden your horizon a little. Helps a lot.
        1. Winnie76 7 January 2020 16: 43 New
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          Independent states within the Ottoman Empire? This is something new. Apparently no one pinched them there, like rolling cheese in butter.
          Following your logic, the republics of the USSR were also independent. But for some reason, they sucked the state boobs and appointed leaders to them.
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            Independent states within the Ottoman Empire?


            I repeat - the peoples were part of the Ottoman Empire, but managed to go out and create their own states. But apparently the social, economic condition of the Christian peoples in the Ottoman Empire for you is a mystery behind seven seals? I’ll only tell you that the position of serfs in Russia was sometimes worse than the position of Christians in the Ottoman Empire. But they are "ungrateful" "non-subjects" were not sold "for bags of beads." And followed their national idea. Such is the nature of history - each ethnos, after it begins to perceive itself as a "people", can no longer be held back. Look at the history of Europe - in the 19th century there was a general creation of national states. And you will think about the next question - why do all nations flee from Russia. If for the author
            quite predictably, all Balkan Orthodox Slavic brothers turned to the West
            how predictable was the behavior of Ukraine, for example? You need to choose whether everyone else is bad and only Russia is good or vice versa.
            In terms of Russia's attractiveness, at this stage it loses to Western civilization. Why.
            Because of the beads? Such a primitive argument cannot explain the course of history to the present moment.
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      2. Keyser soze 7 January 2020 21: 13 New
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        Just incompetent. They are not and were not subjects of international relations. And therefore sold for a bag of beads.


        I walked by. Just to note that we are not selling for beads !!!! I personally blacks on the beach in Greece sell beads .... hats and other trash. laughing

        Although it’s obvious from my bell tower that it’s better to sit in a business with beads than in your feudal capitalism and work on oligarchy yachts for $ 200. I don’t want to offend you and be rude, but from the side you live in a totally absurd power.

        With all my rejection of socialism, but the USSR in real life was a great country. And now your insights come down to riding the Korolev rockets, creating dumps as in Shies, welfare as in Mozambique and only megayachts in first place.

        First slammed you a minus, then removed it. It makes no sense. Have a nice evening.
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          I walked by. Just to note that we are not selling for beads !!!! I personally blacks on the beach in Greece sell beads .... hats and other trash.

          This is a hint of the natives if you do not understand. Not for beads means for anything else. The behavior of Bulgaria on the South Stream issue is very revealing. Independence is amazing, that’s what someone will learn from))) This is to the absurdity of your “power”. Why do you need some money for transit, and so do not fit in your pocket. But Germany is a poor country, they need transit.
          Quote: Keyser Soze
          Although it’s obvious from my bell tower that it’s better to sit in a business with beads than in your feudal capitalism and work on oligarchy yachts for $ 200.

          How did you get the $ 200 and oligarchy yachts? Stamps? And I drink vodka every day, play the balalaika and I have a bear at home.
          Quote: Keyser Soze
          . And now your insights come down to riding the Korolev rockets, creating dumps as in Shies, welfare as in Mozambique and only megayachts in first place.

          Seriously? And how many spaceports, shipyards, cities beyond the Arctic Circle, bridges, nuclear power plants, liquefaction plants, ports did Bulgaria build? How many thousands of kilometers of roads, railways, gas pipelines, power lines paved? How many satellites did you launch and build icebreakers?
          Quote: Keyser Soze
          First slammed you a minus, then removed it. It makes no sense. Have a nice evening

          Your kindness is limitless)))
          1. Keyser soze 8 January 2020 12: 35 New
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            And how many spaceports, ..... Bulgaria built?


            3-4 are planning. Minimum. Across the street - there will be a spaceport. We are just waiting for your specialists from the East - we heard that they are the best, so we will contract your managers.

            And how many cities around the Arctic Circle did Bulgaria build?


            I did not know that you were a supporter of the theory of Bulgaria to the Arctic Ocean. Live a century, learn a century ... or something else my poor eyes will see on this resource ... laughing

            How many icebreakers did you build?


            I know - in icebreakers we lag far behind. We desperately need them to sail along the Danube, but nothing - we’ll buy from you. Mandatory.
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              3-4 are planning. Minimum. Across the street - there will be a spaceport. We are just waiting for your specialists from the East - we heard that they are the best, so we will contract your managers.

              Welcome to real life. The larger the project, the more they steal on it. There are no problems with space centers in Bulgaria wassat
              Quote: Keyser Soze
              I did not know that you were a supporter of the theory of Bulgaria to the Arctic Ocean. Live a century, learn a century ... or something else my poor eyes will see on this resource ...

              Caesar’s Caesar’s, and locksmith’s fitter. To build icebreakers for some, and for others, a business with beads
              Quote: Keyser Soze
              I know - in icebreakers we lag far behind. We desperately need them to sail along the Danube, but nothing - we’ll buy from you. Mandatory.

              I don’t mean that Bulgaria needs icebreakers. And the fact that the Russian Federation and Bulgaria have different needs and opportunities. And to talk about the successes of Bulgaria against the background of backward Russia is like discussing the advantages of a high-tech fly over an unmodern elephant. Well, he does not know how to flutter over heaps and climb the ceiling.
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                And talk about the successes of Bulgaria against the backdrop of backward Russia


                Well, just find the passage where I spoke about the successes of Bulgaria against the background of backward Russia. You crucified about the successes of Russia against the background of the Balkan natives with beads, which are neither to the space centers, nor to the icebreakers ... laughing

                And I just clarified that the successes of your feudal-capitalist system somehow do not look very ...
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                  And I just clarified that the successes of your feudal-capitalist system somehow do not look very ...

                  I have given you an incomplete list of what is being built and has already been built in Russia. "I do not really understand laughing And which list can Bulgaria demonstrate? Amaze the imagination. Or do you have a problem at the cemetery?
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                    And which list can Bulgaria demonstrate? Amaze the imagination.


                    Ahhh, offer "lists" to measure? And look dear - we are facing a more difficult task. We would climb into the middle of the EU in terms of human well-being, medicine and education. This year, your favorite Poles make a minimum wage of 980 euros. Here it is to us to drive, and we will leave to you cosmodromes and icebreakers .... bully
                    1. Winnie76 8 January 2020 14: 31 New
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                      Those. there will be no list. The achievements are dumb. Somehow it sounds "not very" laughing

                      Regarding the minimum wage, medicine and education. These are all derivatives of the country's budget. There is a budget, there is financing, there is medicine. The budget will be filled based on the same points that I have listed. There are ports - there is money for cargo handling. There are icebreakers and gas pipelines - there is money for the sale of gas. Nuclear power plants and power lines were built - there is money for electricity. The cosmodrome was built - there is money for commercial launches. Shipyards built - construction of ships for export. Plus, highly qualified jobs appear, which pulls up the average salary.
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                        Plus, highly qualified jobs appear, which pulls up the average salary.


                        Ahh, I know, I’ve read that you’ll have 25 million highly qualified jobs. Or something like, maybe I'm confusing the numbers. Mdaa .... what you promised, we can not catch up .... laughing

                        As for the average salary, in our last 4-5 years it has been growing in the range of 9-11%. With inflation of 2-4%. What about you?

                        The national currency exchange rate against the euro has not changed since 1997. We have two leva equal one euro (1,95583) ... How about you?

                        The average salary is 605 euros. How many do you have?
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                        Ahh, I know, I’ve read that you’ll have 25 million highly qualified jobs. Or something like, maybe I'm confusing the numbers. Mdaa .... what you promised, we can not catch up ....

                        25 million is unlikely, but some will appear. Demand millions - you'll get thousands.
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                        As for the average salary, in our last 4-5 years it has been growing in the range of 9-11%. With inflation of 2-4%. What about you?

                        I have no idea. I am a techie, not an economist. I understand the general principles. A stupid increase in salary does not solve any problems, except for increasing costs and reducing the competitiveness of a particular enterprise. How are you doing with industry with such salaries? Canned food probably filled up the whole world laughing Well, if you do not fail, then all this growth is worth nothing.
                        Quote: Keyser Soze
                        The national currency exchange rate against the euro has not changed since 1997. We have two leva equal one euro (1,95583) ... How about you?

                        This is undoubtedly a very cool currency indicator. laughing If you do not like 70 rubles per euro, it is technically easy to make a denomination. But in principle, the cheaper the national currency, the easier it is for exporters. Probably not just that the yuan and the yen are underestimated in relation to the dollar.
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                        The average salary is 605 euros. How many do you have?

                        Do not know. Judging by Wiki, something close. I do not believe in the average salary between an oligarch and a cleaning lady. In addition, a lot of people get gray and black salaries
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                        How are you doing with industry with such salaries?


                        Good - the share of industry in the country's GDP is 28%. In Germany - 30%. And GDP itself is growing in the range of 3,5-3,9% per year. By the way, more than yours.

                        A dumb pay raise no problem other than increasing costs and decreasing competitiveness


                        So no need to raise salaries? Well, your business ....

                        Canned food probably filled up the whole world


                        Yes, except for industry and canned goods have filled up. Only our dear ones, unlike the Dutch, because they are of better quality. We produce everything from canned goods to Kalashov. And by the way, our Kalash are the most expensive in the US market. Two times more expensive than yours are sold. Quality, all the same ...

                        This is undoubtedly a very cool currency indicator.


                        Yes. Of course. For example, one middle class washing machine costs 500 euros everywhere. If my currency does not depreciate against the euro and the salary rises, my standard improves. Well, not a spaceport, but I like it ...

                        I am a techie, not an economist.


                        Well, I’m an economist, I know the numbers. Therefore, if I stop "beating" you, it is unfair to violate your illusions in the field of political science and economics.

                        Have a nice evening
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                        Good - the share of industry in the country's GDP is 28%. In Germany - 30%. And GDP itself is growing in the range of 3,5-3,9% per year. By the way, more than yours.

                        Somewhere I came across a figure for the Russian Federation 95% for 15 years. I heard GDP can be considered differently. For example, take into account the same amount several times. Again, PPP is one figure, just GDP is another. Since there is no single criterion for all countries, as far as I know, the value of this indicator is doubtful. So the list of constructed objects is closer to real life.
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                        Only our dear ones, unlike the Dutch, because they are of better quality. We produce everything from canned goods to Kalashov.

                        That which is more expensive is an objective criterion, and which is of better quality - I do not think that the Dutch will agree. Yes, and Kalash is a moot point. And on the shelves with us I can’t see your canned goods. I do not observe household appliances either. Probably too high quality for us laughing
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                        Yes. Of course. For example, one middle class washing machine costs 500 euros everywhere. If my currency does not depreciate against the euro and the salary rises, my standard improves. Well, not a spaceport, but I like it ...

                        Yes, who argues. The only question is due to what growth. You began to work more or opened new production? Or maybe Brussels is pushing for an “improved standard”? Or maybe in a new way they began to consider inflation and GDP?
                        And then, why did you decide that the average salary in Bulgaria is higher than in Russia?
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                        Well, I’m an economist, I know the numbers. Therefore, if I stop "beating" you, it is unfair to violate your illusions in the field of political science and economics.

                        Thank you for not breaking. Do you judge the quality of canned food and Kalash from the height of your economic education?
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                        For example, one middle class washing machine costs 500 euros everywhere.

                        Are you crazy? Turkish Beco or Russian Indesit start from 150 euros. We can buy a spaceship for 500 euros. After that, you will be spreading nightingale about high standards? You are being torn as sticky
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    Do not forget to turn off the lights at the airport when you leave fraternal Bulgaria. It seems that they are joking with you over your economic situation there.
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      Do not forget to turn off the lights at the airport when you leave fraternal Bulgaria. It seems that they are joking with you over your economic situation there.


      That's right. You're right. And just as I sang, I told a colleague from above that we still have to work hard and work hard until we reach the average welfare holders for the EU. Although the economy and salaries are growing every year, but the average price of 605 euros is shame, not a salary.

      An economic leap requires growth greater than our 3,6-3,9% per year, and the government cannot comprehend it. It must be changed in the elections.
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    You are not interested in the power model in the Russian Federation, but in the price ratio of their gas and your tomatoes.
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      You are not interested in the power model in the Russian Federation, but in the price ratio of their gas and your tomatoes.


      Your comment contains three elements, which incidentally explain the general state of affairs in the relationship between Russia and the rest of the world.
      I will list:
      1. Close your eyes to the facts;
      2. "Work" with myths;
      3. Manifest poorly concealed racism.

      In the compartment and by separation, all this indicates ...
      But smart people know without me.
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    The author seems to have forgotten what is happening in Russia, for example, in the Caucasus and Bashkortostan, where its order is, despite the appearance of formal unity with Russia.
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    Is someone trying to manipulate us this way? And do we have more urgent tasks?
    Maybe he’s trying. But most likely ... no. It is simply not required. In sports and scientific literature of the USSR, an example was often cited - the hockey coach determined that one of his strikers hit the goal well, but skated relatively weakly. And another famously draws feints with skates, but usually hits by. Well, the coach threw three tires on the ice, and ordered the first to spin pirouettes around them, and the second poured a dozen goals on the ice in front of the goal - hit, train. Having returned after some time, the coach was amazed to see that hockey players ... switched places! Everyone did not what he needed, but what he did!
    The fact is that the solution of NEW, unusual, poorly understood tasks requires much more intelligence, education and preparation than working with something old, familiar, acquired. At the same time, the risk of flying out of the cart, being fatally punished for mistakes (but what about mistakes? It's a new thing!) Is much higher. Fly out. OF AUTHORITY. Imagine? People climb there in the mountains of money and real corpses, and so what? Sacrifice your place, for which SO is paid? Well right now ...
    Previously, this business was partially leveled by the bloodsucker king, who was trying to force his government to do what was needed, and not what it wanted. But the organization of the work of the king himself was very curious, and not easy ... however, I was distracted. Decisions at the highest level are made primarily on the basis of decisive interests. And not out of the interests of the country. This tendency is violated (with great reluctance) only when there is a risk to the very existence of the state, and this risk is usually recognized late. Oh ...
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      Decisions at the highest level are made primarily on the basis of decisive interests.


      I agree!
      And it seems to me that a party in Hong Kong is a "negotiation" of the local elite with the central elite. About how someone will integrate into the general vertical of power and who will not have time. Interesting - why now? As rightly said above - the Chinese are thinking 100 years ahead. Do they Honkonians know something that makes them rush? For example, the imminent division of the world into new spheres. Where the "Greater" China will not need to observe "behavior".
      1. Mikhail3 9 January 2020 09: 37 New
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        No, you are hardly right. Such things are decided long before official actions, in this case - before joining. And no, the Chinese are not as smart as they lie about themselves. As a rule, they are surprisingly dumb. For example, take a look at the history of labeling tea varieties by color). In addition, China has no ancient history, which they talk about with great enthusiasm.
        In this case, the CCP leadership made a fairly typical mistake - it was decided to extend the practice of extradition of criminals to Hong Kong. In which for many years hid everyone who did not get along with Chinese justice. Many thousands of such people reached the heights of power and business in Hong Kong (this is a big and complicated topic), so the idea was, to put it mildly, so-so.
        Now the protests are funded and supported in every possible way from both the Hong Kong elite and China. I think that stupid action was largely random. Another criminal escaped to Hong Kong. Not a representative of another member of the Central Committee with another billion dollars, but an ordinary criminal. And, instead of getting him out of there through ordinary unofficial connections, someone went the simple official way.
        Formed an OFFICIAL request. The Hong Kong authorities naturally kicked him off. Then the question was brought to the level of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, without looking approved ... And everything turned around. How now the Chinese to get out of the kaki into which they thoughtlessly flew into is completely incomprehensible. But they just blunted, and only ...
        1. verp19 9 January 2020 10: 53 New
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          No, you are hardly right. Such things are decided long before official actions, in this case - before joining.

          I have no evidence and therefore can not defend my hypotheses.
          And why do you think that they have no history - it became very interesting to me. Can I share information?
          1. Mikhail3 9 January 2020 13: 14 New
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            You're not Russian? According to the structure of the answers it seems. However, why not ...
            Firstly, the Chinese mentality - all the best was a long time ago. As in Russia now, everything is better than foreign. And the Chinese consider the best that is ancient. Interesting, right? How to be leaders in such conditions?
            Secondly. Despite the worship of antiquity, when the new emperor ascended the throne, the Chinese copied books. ALL books, can you imagine? At least three such waves are known (not from the Chinese). That is, books were copied, and then old ones were burned throughout the country. Each time an extensive editing was introduced in the copy, and most of the old books were simply destroyed. For example, the emperor (rather, apparently, his close associates) often renamed the country ...
            Thirdly. Despite point 2, Chinese historians have found in "Chinese history" all-all inventions and discoveries known to mankind. True, no trace of these inventions and discoveries was found anywhere, except by the Chinese). Say about the same "Great Wall of China" read. Which is partially directed INSIDE China. And all of it, which stood for many thousands of years, suddenly began to rapidly collapse over the past 40. Just like it fell, fell ...
            The Chinese can be understood. They survived a massive search for European Sinologists, who, after the collapse of China by the wonderful Empress Tsy Xi, scoured the country in search of Taoist manuscripts describing how the Taoists received the "pill of immortality." Many Sinologists hastily brewed the pill right on the spot, after which the logical act of "liberation from the corpse" ensued, namely, a painful death.
            From which the Chinese made a logical conclusion - European historians are stupid, stupid and believe any nonsense that you slip them with a serious look. And if the idiotic nonsense is also written on paper, it’s safe to say that you created the Universe, they will believe it. And the Chinese ruled Europe their whole "great history", rolling with laughter ...
            There is still a lot of things. For example, no development of science and technology is possible in principle with hieroglyphic writing, in which each hieroglyph is a whole concept. Human thinking then works without any innovation that simply cannot occur. Well, etc.
  • Woland 7 January 2020 15: 43 New
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    China will look a little more at this mess and even “remember” the old one. "good" Tiananmen. And everything will be fine right away. And Hong Kong will be the loudest praise the CCP
  • Alexey LK 8 January 2020 23: 17 New
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    Somehow, the author forgot to write about who controls the issue of the Hong Kong dollar, and indeed the entire financial system of Hong Kong ... And without this reasoning, to put it mildly, incomplete.